Ozzy Osbourne, Malcolm-Jamal Warner, Man Sucked into MRI Machine, Air India Crash Updates, Mass Surrogacy, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi. Everyone.
Welcome to Mother Knows Death. As usual, we have a
lot of news stories for you this week, including the
surprising death of Malcolm Jamal Warner and Ozzy Osbourne died.

(00:32):
I don't know if that's exactly a shocking death, but
it still is an icon of my childhood, so super
bummed out about that. We have an update on the
Air India plane crash, a freak accident involving a man
who was sucked into an MRI machine, a surrogacy scam,
a flesh eating bacteria that is killing people in the South,

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and an episode of Mother Knows Death wouldn't be complete
without talking about a little diarrhea on a cruise ship.
All that in on today's episode. Let's get started with
this news of Ozzy Osbourne.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
You're saying, it's not that sudden, like I'm a little
surprised by this.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
His life was outrageous. It's amazing that he's made it
to seventy six years old.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
He is seventy six years old. So as of we're
recording this, I mean, this is like pretty breaking news.
So they haven't released a cause of death yet, but
we know he lived a hard lifestyle. But at the
same time, I haven't heard.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
He literally like bit the head off of a bat.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Well, when you put it that way, I guess it's
pretty not surprising, but I don't know. I just I
feel like typically you hear rumblings like we're gonna talk
about Connie Francis tomorrow, for example, Like I saw on
TMC last week that she was in the hospital, so like,
I wasn't that surprised when subsequently she had died, right,
But in this.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Case, yeah, And I mean it sucks because it was
I just saw within the past couple of weeks he
did his last show and that was cute. And then
his daughter Kelly, who we love from Fashion Police. God,
I love that show and missed that show so much
in Joan Rivers, but she had just gotten engaged to

(02:09):
her her fiance. Now that at the night, the last
night of his concert, I guess it was all over
online that she was really shocked about it. So it
was really cool that he got to see at least
had his last show and got to see his daughter
get engaged. But I mean, seventy six is still kind
of on the younger side to die. But he definitely

(02:30):
lived a huge life, a crazy life of fast life,
so he got a good chance at life considering his lifestyle,
for sure. I mean, you're right. I just I don't know. No,
Like sometimes you would just see even when I just
was seeing him in footage doing I'm like, god, that
guy could still stand on stage and do a tour

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and like, geez, he's still alive. Like that's how I
it's just shocking.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think I saw Willie Nelson in like two thoy
and fourteen and he had I think the week before
the concert, they were like, oh, happy eighty second birthday,
and I was like, this guy is gonna die before
I see him play at the Borgata in Olympic City
next week. And he's still playing all these years later.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Dudes, it had died. It's so crazy. Like I saw
Ozzy Osbourne. He used to do this thing called the
oz Fest. I swear to god, I don't even it
was twenty five years ago. Like, I don't even know
how long ago it was. It was in the late
nineties or early two thousands or something. I don't even know.
It's just absolutely no. It was in the late it

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was in the late nineties that I went, because it
was before I even went to school. It's just so
crazy to think that the guy just did his last
tour a couple of weeks ago. I mean, it is
I imagine it's a lot, even though you're used to
it and this is what you're this is what your
life has been. I just still imagine it's a lot
for an older person to do, even though, as my

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dad would say, they never worked a day in their
life with their hands, so they could do stuff when
they're old. Still it's anxiety. It's just the stress of
being on the road, staying in hotels and things like that.
So it's just like a bummer. I don't even know
what to say. Well, he was having Parkinson's disease or

(04:24):
something or something like that for sure, So I don't
know what the circumstances were about his death. But we'll
get into it more once we get more details.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, let's get into the other There's just like a
million celebrity deaths this week.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Also, this one's another one that's just so frickin' upsetting.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
So Malcolm Jamal Warner aka theo Huxtable from The Cosby
Show was on vacation with his family in Costa Rica.
They were at the beach and while he was swimming,
he got caught up in a high current and died.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah. I think a lot of people have this misconception
about deaths and water and they think, number one, that
it's going to be really, really loud. They think it
can't happen to them. They think that if you know
how to swim, it can't happen to you, And as
we see all the time, that is not the case.
And going in the water is one of the funnest

(05:17):
things that you could do in your life, but you
have to really take caution, especially when traveling abroad like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I just I got confused at first, was out because
when I'm reading the results, I'm thinking he drowned, But
the result or the reporting is saying that he died
as a result of his fixiation by subversion.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
So is that just a fancy way of saying he drowned? Yeah? Okay,
I mean, so what happened was and this could happen
around here too, is when you look at the ocean
on the shoreline, it has this appearance that's like white
and foamy and little waves at the bottom right. If
you see an area when you're looking at the beach

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that looks totally clear, a lot of people people might
flock to that area because they think, oh, I'm going
to stand there because there's not a lot of waves
and it's not going to knock me over, when in
fact it's almost the complete opposite, and you could get
pulled out to see literally that way. And what happens
is people automatically, it's just natural instincts, start freaking out

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because they're in a situation that they've never been in
and they don't know what to do. And unfortunately, sometimes
the muscles in their legs could get weakened and they
can't stay above water, or they just get pulled out
too far. They're just not able to get out of
the current and they end up drowning. Now, this happens
at our shore all the time. You hear about it

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on the news almost every single day, especially in the
summer down at the Jersey Shore. And this is why
it's super important to go to a beach that has
a lifeguard because number one, they're in those higher towers,
so they could really see where the rip currents are
and they'll tell people to stay away from them. But
number two, you're told if you ever get sucked into
one of these currents that you should try to swim

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to the side and just get out of it. And
even it doesn't matter how far out in the ocean
you end up being. And a lot of people get
scared about that that they don't want to go out
too far because they're going to have a hard time
getting back. But if you're able to get out of
that current and stay above water, you have much higher
chance of surviving. And then if you are at a

(07:24):
beach that has a lifeguard, they will see you and
be able to go out there and get you. They're
trained to do that, and a normal, average person that
swims in a pool, it just isn't trained to do that.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, it was important to note that there was no
lifeguard on the beach where he was at. And another
person got drugg in the in the current too correct,
but they survived.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And we don't know who that person is. All we
know is that the paramedics were called to the beach
for two different people that had been pulled into a
current at that same exact time, and Malcolm Jamal Warner
unfortunately was they tried to resuscitate him and they were
not able to and the other person did survive and

(08:05):
was brought to the hospital and we don't know their
current condition right now.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's just so terrible to think you're on vacation and
something like this happens and then it ends up resulting
in tragedy. And of course he was this really beloved
figure on What's Now I think maybe considered a controversial
show because of everything that went down with Bill Cosby,
and of course he couldn't help himself and he had
to speak out about it. And it's like, I don't
think we need to hear from you, dude, Like please respectfully.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Go go away exactly. You know, we never talk about
Bill Cosby on this show that I saw a special.
I guess Nancy Grace did a couple of years ago
with the whole Bill Cosby thing and it's so messed up.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Let's messed up, and he got out of prison, which
is messed up, and it doesn't the whole thing was Yeah,
like I don't want to get too much into it
because I don't know all the details off the top
of my head. While we're recording this, and I don't
want to like stop, like look everything up.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
But it's it's irrelevant. It's just it's just annoying that
he feels that he even has to make a statement
or anybody cares what he has to say. I was
watching Fresh Prince of bel Air with the Girls recently
and in the episode, Malcolm Jamal Warner comes in as
like it did a cameo, right, and the whole audience

(09:21):
is like screaming their head off, right because this is
the So the girls are like, who's that. I was like, dude,
that's theohocstable. What are you talking about right now? Of
course they don't know because we never watched the Cosby Show.
Well they didn't, you know, being older, just because it
sucks because that would definitely be in our rotation. But
just like I can't because of him. I just like

(09:43):
he's skiped, you know, I'm skeeped out by him. Yeah,
But anyway, the whole point of me saying this is that,
like that, dude, there's very few actors in the world
where every single person when everyone heard the news this
weekend that he died, everyone was like, oh man, I
love him, Like it's just rare to have that reputation

(10:06):
in Hollywood that can you really think of any person
that's going to be that that dude sucks, Like, no,
it's not going to happen, right, So it's really unfortunate
that he died and also sad at the same time
because he's like kind of around my age, just like
weird part of a generation going. The whole thing's really sad,

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But as far as an autopsy goes with him, it's
a little bit different in this case with Malcolm Jamal
Warner because there were witnesses there, so everyone knows that
he went into the water and he was caught in
a car and he drowned, right. So sometimes people say like, well,
why are you going to do an autopsy on someone

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that everybody watched drown We know why he died, But
oftentimes they want to do it to see if there
was any underlying cause, like did he have a heart
attack in that incapacitated him or something like that. So
they're going to check for that, and they're going to
check for things that you would see in drowning cases,
like sometimes you could see foam coming out of the
mouth when he's pulled to shore, and it would be

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something similar that you see in an opioid death, and
that's because the protein and the lungs when the person
is trying to make their last breaths, mixed with the
protein and their lungs and the little bit of air
that they're able to get in. When it mixes together,
it makes a foam which goes in the It comes
out of the lungs into the trachea, and then it
comes out of the mouth. So oftentimes you could see

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it in the mouth, but at autopsy, when you open
them up to you'll see that number one, their lungs
can be hyper inflated, so they could be touching each
other and just look really full. And then number two
that you'll see that foam within the lungs and the
trachia as well as the stomach. You could see water too,
because when a person's gasping for air, they could breathe

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in water, and not only does it go into their lungs,
but it also goes in their esophagus into their stomach.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, it's interesting that you're saying, like all these people
will witness it, but obviously they have to do that anyway,
And I don't think we're gonna see those because they
are they going to do toxicology too. Yeah, they'll do
toxicology for sure, but I mean they should. This is
in Costa Rica. I don't know what their rules are.
If this happened in America, one hundred percent they'd still
do toxicology. And but I mean, it's just a tragic accident.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
So many people. We're going to talk about drowning a
lot this week. Unfortunately, the statistics are just very high
for drowning. It's obviously it's more common in children than adults.
But certainly, I was working on my lecture for Crime
con and I don't want to give away, but I
was looking talking about a certain actress that died drowning

(12:49):
and they didn't really know why she died or you know,
she was just with her son. And then she was
found in the water days later and they did the
autopsy and confirm that she drowned. But she had rented
a boat with her son to go swimming in the
ocean like or in the lake that they were at.
And so to me, I'm like, she does that all

(13:12):
the time. She goes in water all the time and swims,
and I do too, right, So I'm just kind of
like God, that's scary. But you just never know what happened.
And the story with her is that she helped her
son get on the boat and then she couldn't get
back in the boat, and it just could be that
she could have just wore herself out too much. You know,
when you go in the pool, you know, when you

(13:33):
go get out of the pool, you're like, oh my god,
I'm so tired. You have the best night's sleep, You're
like working a lot of your muscles, and people don't
realize that, you know, Yeah, of.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Course, all right, let's move on to this Air India crash.
So the preliminary report has come out for this fatal
crash that happened in India. We reported it only a
couple of weeks ago, and it's looking like it was intentional,
which is very disturbing.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Well, I don't know if they're a hundred they're going
as far as saying that it's intentional. I think they're
saying that there's suspicious things that seem to have been
done about cutting some fuel lines that a lot of
pilots would agree isn't something that would be protocol. But

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they're not going as far as to say that Okay,
one hundred percent was intentional, and that information might not
come out for a year.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well that's why I was saying, is looking intentional, not
that it was definitievely intentional. So as a reminder, this
flight took off in seconds after it crashed into a
town right next to the airport. Two hundred and sixty
people died. There was one survivor, which we questioned. But well,
this is this is what I was going to say.
This is the second scandal of this airplane crash, the

(14:46):
first being the guy that they say survived, which I
just still don't believe. Well, coming out of a plume
of black smoke with a white T shirt on on
his phone, I just I don't know. People got pretty
upset by that accusation. But the black box was recovered
and revealed that both fuel engines switches were suddenly cut off,
which cuts the fuel to the engines and causes the

(15:07):
plane to lose power. So there was a snippet of
a recorded conversation on the black box where one pilot
asked the other why did he cut the fuel and
the other guy said he didn't, and then the plane
crashed very suddenly. So I listened to another podcast where
some experts were talking about it recently, and my understanding
is that if the pilot had intentionally cut off the
fuel while they were mid flight and the second pilot

(15:29):
realized it as quickly as this guy did, in this case,
they wouldn't the plane essentially would have been able to
regain the momentum that it wouldn't have been an issue.
But because in this case it was so quickly after
takeoff and the guy didn't realize it for a couple seconds,
it was not enough time. And the other pilot did
end up turning the switches back on, but only one

(15:50):
of the engines was able to turn on, not the other,
So that's what caused the crash.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't understand, Like, obviously I don't understand how an
airplane works. I just I could that there might be
a reason that you would need to cut a fuel
line if there was a fire or so. I don't know,
like what would be the reasoning to ever do it,
and I don't I don't know that much about how
airplanes work, but it seems obviously very suspicious, especially if

(16:17):
the pilot was like, why did you do this? Because
that means to me that that's not something they typically do.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well. Yeah, I don't really understand the dynamics of this either.
Obviously I'm not a pilet but and I don't think
i'll ever reach the education to understand fully how these
buttons work. I mean, have you ever seen a picture
of the cockpit of an airplane.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
There's like it gives me anxiety. Buttons in there. It
gives me so much anxiety I look at it. It's
the same thing when I go to like the Kennedy
Space Center for NASA and I look at the inside
of what a rocket would be and all because I mean,
I guess it's like on a similar thing. They're doing
a flight with it, with an aircraft kind of thing,
and I just look at all the buttons and I'm like,

(16:57):
these people are so smart, Like how do they know
what all of these and having to learn all that
is just outrageous to me.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Well, that's why I think it's actually impressive that the
other pilot immediately looked at it and was like, this,
something's not right. But they have these little brackets in
front of the button so they can't just accidentally hit them.
I mean, it seems like you have to pull it
and then turn it, which is I guess why they're
eluding that it may be intentional, because it's not quite
like you can just accidentally hit your hand and do it.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Right, So there's kind of like too many steps, even
though they could be done very quickly to do it
without knowledge of what you're doing. Of course, all these
conspiracies are coming out because even though they're saying this
guy passes health checked, there's maybe reports that he had
some mental health issues in the past, but that's not confirmed.
And this this report is very preliminary. I mean, airplane

(17:48):
investigations typically take a year couple years, like you're saying,
so I don't think we're going to do one hundred.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
There's actually a really interesting conversation to have about pilots,
you know, listening to some of these interviews done with
pilots saying that if they go to anyone to tell
them that they're having any kind of problem in their life,
whether it's financial troubles, problems with their wives, divorce, mental

(18:17):
health things, they automatically will not let them fly. So
that would make it more pilot's more hesitant to talk
about having a problem because they don't want to lose
the ability to fly. That's what they do for a living.
So it's kind I don't know how you fix that,

(18:38):
but it is. It is a scary thing to think
that a person has your life in their hands like
that and would intentionally try to take you down with them.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, of course, because I mean this was a mass
casualty event, so you want to hope that wasn't the
intention behind it, especially if this guy was planning this,
like I mean, we're just speculating here, but I'm just
saying if he was planning this like crazy mass suicide murder,
it's very terrifying to think that something like this could
happen and it's as easy as just like flicking a switch, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
And I don't know, I mean, it could be I mean,
obviously anything is possible, and a person could be some
kind of sicko that wants to do something like that.
I would think, though it could also just be more
like of an impulsive decision and not really like more
about themselves rather than the people that were with them.

(19:36):
You know, I don't know, Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Because some aviation experts were saying, I mean a lot
of people don't agree with this, but some aviation experts
were saying that it could have just been a very quick,
poor judgment call. I mean, again, we don't know what
these buttons are used for, so we don't know if
they're typically used in a normal flight, and if he
just chose to engage with them at the wrong time,
or what exactly happened. And I guess a lot of

(20:00):
people are upset with the preliminary report because I mean,
I'm over here also thinking the worst that it's something intentional.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
But the point of putting it out so.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Quickly is to I guess, reassure people going on these
same planes, which was a Boeing aircraft, that there's nothing wrong,
that there is nothing wrong with the plane, and to
not fear about going on this aircraft. So I understand that,
but they'll they're like, it's too early to say if
this guy did it intentionally.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
You don't know what happened.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
They're not releasing all of the information obviously, I mean,
the investigation is going to take a while.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
But there's just there's just no way around this. They're
either saying, Okay, our pilots might kill you in a
mass suicide murder, or our planes suck and they're broke,
Like there's like which one's better. I honestly would rather
them say, Okay, we found something wrong with the plane,
so they could just like fix those planes. I'd rather

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than like it be a personal thing.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
And then I guess option see is that the person
made a judgment error, which that's concerning to have a
viilot in the airplane that made a judgment error like that,
So what is it? No, in no scenario, is this okay,
obviously all these people are dead.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
No? No, I mean this is like a hard u
PR crisis like that they were gonna have to deal with.
There's just like no easy, easy way to describe what
happened here.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I mean, Boeing's been in a PR crisis for at
least the last couple of years. Last year in particular,
there was just like story after story after story, and
I'm like, we even stop covering them at some point
because well, I I'm fascinated to buy air crash accidents
and like amusement accidents and stuff. I like covering those
stories the best because they just fascinated me.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
There was like two or three incidents this week too.
One of them there was like a close call with
a military jet. Another one that one of the engines
was on fire. I think of a Delta flight, like.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, Delta engine caught on fire and like, luckily nothing
bad happened from that. They were able to make an
emergency landing. And then the other flight had the dodge
this other aircraft that would have been a horrific collision.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Did you actually so? I guess the news didn't report
on this on that particular thing. And what happened was
a woman was filming it and put it on TikTok
or Instagram or something, and that's how people found out
that that happened. Everybody should try to find the video
that this woman recorded, because I thought it was really
interesting what the pilot was saying overhead, like giving way

(22:32):
too much information in my opinion. I mean, he was
trying to cover his ass, I guess, but he was.
She had the phone on her lap and you could
just overhear the pilot talking on the intercom and it
was just like, oh, I'm sorry, I just had to
divert like that. But there was this this plane coming
and we didn't know, and they should have known, and
I don't know why they didn't tell us, And I'm like,

(22:54):
why are you giving them so much information right now?
It was kind of weird because.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Maybe he's like, I don't want this possibly being blamed
on me.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, he was like, f this, I'm putting all our
dirty laundry out there. That's how it was kind of
and it's, well, did we not shotting? I don't even
think we reported on all this scandal going on at
the Newark Airport right now that there's only like one
or two air traffic controllers working when they're supposed to
be over ten people working or something. Yeah, just extremely
worrisome and they're working overtime and they're tired, and is

(23:26):
that what happened in this case? I don't know. I
don't even want to I don't even want to think
about it. I just I know that sometimes people that
call in, like a New Jersey radio station stuff are
now saying that they drive all the way to Philly
so they don't have to leave out of Newark, which
is it's just kind of scary. But I don't even
I don't like talking about it because it's like sometimes

(23:47):
you have to go on a plane and you don't
want to be like thinking about this because I think
all of us are so scared because we're like, oh
my god, if we're actually on a plane that something happens,
like you're gonna be forever traumatized and how are you
ever gonna get over that?

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Well, I was actually telling two people that came to
our meet and greet how I had inconvenient flight times
because I have to fly air buses because I'm so paranoid.
And then I ended up switching my flight last Sunday
to a Boeing because I just like needed to get
home earlier. And even when I was on it, I

(24:23):
was just like a nervous wreck. And then they were
making totally.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Such a crazy person. No, I don't even look at
what I don't even look at what plane I'm getting on.
It's just kind of like, oh, this time's good and
that's it.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
So then it was making totally standard dips in elevation
or whatever in the altitude, and I just got that
like drop stomach or feeling in my stomach like when
you go down a roller coaster or something, and I'm like,
I hate this. I can't possibly imagine. Like, there was
that story a couple of weeks ago that a plane

(24:54):
dropped like over twenty thousand feet or something in a
couple of seconds. Oh my god, I would have a
There's no way I'd be able to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I guess it's all so scary too, because if you
really do have a bad experience like that flying, obviously
you're never going to get on an airplane again. And
that really could change your whole entire life as far
as traveling, and obviously like for vacations and stuff, but
also for work. I mean, there's only so far you
could go in a car. I guess in theory you

(25:25):
can drive, like to a lot of different places if
you could go to where there's a waterway and get
your car on a ferry somehow. And like, I think
that there's a way that you can drive to South
America somehow, if you could get your car through the
Panama Canal or something. I'm not sure that because there
I saw this thing once that said that this was

(25:46):
like a really long road trip you can do to
get through there. But I think you have to put
your car on a ferry or something to get over there.
But it's kind of interesting just how limited you would
be not being able to get on an airplane ever again,
because scared.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
No, totally, And I remind myself I don't think I'm
a nervous flyer per se, but I've been definitely since
we've been doing this podcast, and I'm sure we're fear
mongering the whole audience in some capacity, but I don't know.
I don't really worry about it, because, like, at the
end of the day, there are thousands of flights every
single day, and there's a couple incidents a year. Right,

(26:23):
the ones we hear about are the most horrific ones.
We're not gonna hear about little problems, obviously, so I
think that's important to note, and obviously we'll keep eyes
on this, but I don't think we're gonna have any
more information for at least a couple more years because
these take so long to do. All Right, So, this
guy brought his wife to get an MRI on her knee,
and typically he went in the room with her to

(26:45):
help her get up. This time, he was wearing a
twenty pound chain around his neck and got sucked into
the machine and died.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah. I don't know what happened in this case, but
I'm thinking right now, just based upon what we've heard
the wife say, because I don't think that the actual
medical facility has put out a statement, but just based
upon her side of the story, like they're in big trouble.
I think that anybody that is a radiology tech that
works in MRI knows the dangers of having anyone enter

(27:17):
that room because the MRI machine is it's magnetic resonance imaging.
It uses a giant magnet and even though they turn
off the machine at the end of the night or whatever, like,
the magnet's always on and that field is always considered
to be dangerous, which means you should not ever be

(27:38):
bringing anything into that room that would be considered magnetic
or could have any interaction with the machine. So you
know you've had MRIs on. I've had MRIs on. Lucia's
had a couple done. Every single time before you go,
they ask you all of these questions to make sure
that you have no metal inside of your body, things

(28:01):
that you might not even think about, like you know,
we have our lip pierced and sometimes you just don't
even really think about it because it's there all the
time and you don't even feel it. Make sure your
jewelry is off at just everything. If I have bobby
pins in my hair. You can't have that, this, and that.
So they really shouldn't be letting someone in the room

(28:22):
in general to help anyone if they haven't been properly
screened to make sure they don't have any metal on
their body as well.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, I mean when I got mine done in February,
I literally detech did ask me a million times if
I had anything on it. I was like, no, I
took everything off. But I realized like two minutes in
that I didn't take my necklace off. I mean, this
is like mid MRI in process. I realized this, and
I squeezed the little ball and it's like, oh my god,

(28:50):
my necklace is off.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Because I wear it every day.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I don't even feel it, you know what I mean.
And she was like, I mean at this point, it's fine,
so just leave it on, which I still feel like
they should have taken.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Well. The thing is is that if you you're a necklace,
a very thin, fine necklace for example, well could heat
up and it could burn your skin. That's the extent
of what would happen. It's not going to pull you
into the machine and kill you, right, Yeah, But this
is just a very unusual circumstance. So this woman was
getting an MRI on her knee, and she asked that

(29:24):
this is from her side of the story. Anyway, she
asked the technician to come to go get her husband
so he could go in and help her get off
the machine. And they complied with that and went out
and got the husband. Now, he just so happened to
be wearing a twenty pound chain around his neck, which
everybody when I read that, I was like, what, what

(29:44):
is that?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, he said he was wearing it for weight training.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
For weight training, so apparently he had a conversation with
the technician beforehand, because the technician was like, hey, dude,
what's up with a huge chain around your neck? And
he said he was using it for weight training. I
don't know if they sell any product that are specifically
geared towards that, but I do know oftentimes people put
weights around their ankles or around their waists or anywhere,
so they could they could always be kind of losing weight, right.

(30:11):
It just helps you with the more weight you have
on your body, it could help burn more calories just
doing normal things like walking around and stuff. I am
visualizing it, like I have this bike lock. That's like
a kryptonite bike lock. That's a huge chain with a
lock on it. I'm visualizing it to be that twenty
pounds is a lot of weight. So he had this

(30:35):
huge thing around his neck, like everyone in the world
does not ever wear something like that, right, So this
is just a freak occurrence that this guy's wearing this
in the first place. But it's kind of alarming to
me that a radiology tech it wouldn't strike them in
their mind to be like, oh, I had this conversation
with this guy earlier because he has this huge thing

(30:57):
around his neck and you're looking at him bringing him
in the room, and see this large thing around his
neck that no one wears ever. It's not like it's
not like a thin necklace like your little necklace. It's
it's a huge thing that's glowing obvious metal. I don't
understand why that's didn't just trigger something in their mind

(31:17):
to be like, you can't go in there. So the
guy goes in the room, and I really I actually
have this amazing video I found to show just how
magnetic the MRI machine is, sucking in things like a
folding chair like as a projectile across the room. Gabe
tells me all the time that the firemen have training

(31:39):
too that if they go into a hospital and there's
a fire, they can't go in that room with their
air packs or they will get sucked into the machine.
And they know that for their training, you know what
I mean. So this video is just showing even it's
really crazy. They put a pair of like surgical scissors
on a ribbon and just hold it up and it's

(32:00):
pulling it into the machine. Like you could see the
magnet how strong it is. So when the guy goes
in the room with this thing around his neck, he
gets pulled into the machine and they can't get him
off of the machine for an hour, the wife says,
and during that time, just in this high period of stress,
he had multiple heart attacks and he ended up dying

(32:22):
a couple days later. Now I don't know, because the
guy wasn't too old, but he could have had cardiovascular disease,
So I don't know if he had a history of
cardiovascular disease or Sometimes you could have an emotional response
to stress and you could have a heart attack that
way and a rhythmia that way as well, So it
doesn't really matter. Whatever happened. Like, I'm just thinking, these

(32:45):
people are in their sixties, right, Momm's in her sixties too, Like,
think about momm and pop up in the same exact situation,
Like everyday regular people that are going to get a
medical test like this don't know the dangers of that machine,
and it's the responsibility of the facility to make sure
that the patients are protected.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
No, because I read too that she kept asking them
to turn it off, But that doesn't necessarily always shut
the magnetic field off, right, like it takes Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
And apparently so we have. So I had talked about
this in the gross room this week actually, and we
have a couple of radiology texts in there that said
that if you turn off the magnet on the machine,
it essentially breaks the machine and it costs thousands and
thousands of dollars to do that. So that's why it
doesn't get just shut off at night like some people

(33:33):
would think. And one of the radiology texts in the
grossroom was just saying, they don't know why they They
just think that maybe in the craziness of the actual
the scenario of not expecting that they didn't shut down
the magnet after that she says, like she doesn't really

(33:54):
know what the circumstances are why it took an hour.
People might be scared that they're going to lose their
job if they break that machine. I mean, those machines
are hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So I mean, I feel like if somebody got fired though,
for shutting it down when a man was in a
critical condition, and I.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Mean, there's going to be a huge investigation into why,
because obviously being under stressed like that, imagine being stuck
to a machine like that. Not only I mean he
could have been hurt too, just from blunt trauma, like
imagine your body being forced against a machine like that.
I mean, it could have it could have just it honestly,
could have triggered heart attacks too, just by blunt trauma

(34:36):
across the chest like that. So we don't know the
exact details, just based upon what the wife is telling us,
you know, but it's it's just really sad, and you
hear this from time to time, and their job is
really important. And to make sure I mean that doors
you should never there's It should just be a rule

(34:56):
that you don't even let people other than the patients
themselves in the room that. Yeah, I agree, I mean
really the technician could have helped her get out of
the machine. Yeah, and if they should be staffed to
help people with that, So God, it's just a terrible
story and I feel terrible for her having to hear

(35:16):
to watch her husband die like that.

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(36:49):
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Speaker 2 (36:55):
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and then I think we're gonna start getting flooded with information.

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Speaker 1 (37:40):
All right, what do we got next? Oh? This case
is freaking weird. This case is so weird. I had
to read the story three times because I was just like,
what is happening here?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
It's very hard the way it's written to understand.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
But I hope I've.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Reordered it a little bit so it makes a little
bit more sense.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
I never understand this. With news articles.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
They always start with the lead, right, and I understand
they have to catch people, but then the way they
backtrack makes it so confusing to understand why.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
I actually, I actually the particular article that we were
looking at. I had to look up a couple more
because I was just like, I have no idea what's
happening right now?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
So this is my understanding. In California, this couple brought
their two month old baby to the hospital with head injuries.
The hospital then called police to investigate abuse, and when
the police got to their house, they found fifteen children,
all under the age of thirteen. Then they discovered that
there are six more children in the care of other
family members, So we have twenty one children in total.

(38:39):
Seventeen of these children are under three years old, So
you must be wondering, like, how how is this even possible.
Apparently this couple owned a surrogacya business, and they were
telling these surrogate mothers that they only had one child
and that they were going to be helping a family
in need who couldn't produce their own children. So they

(39:00):
were hiring these surrogate mothers and then had all these
children born via surrogacy and were raising them all together
in this house.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So are they rich people like I Could they have
to be if they're paying because they're paying these women
like sixty thousand dollars a pop to do this, or
were they scamming them out of money.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's my understanding at this point in the investigation that
the surrogates were paid, but they were allied to about
the circumstances, so now they're being investigated for abuse. They
reviewed cameras that were in the home and saw that
they had all these nannies and apparently the nannies were
abusing the kids too. One of the nannies is being
looked into for the reason the baby had head injuries,

(39:44):
the one they brought to the hospital that like opened
this entire investigation up. So now one of the mothers,
since all the kids have been brought to Child Protective Services,
is trying to adopt the child that she carried because
she didn't understand the circumstances in which the kid was
going to I don't know, this just seems kind of

(40:05):
weird because think about this, like, if you go if
you decide to get a surrogacy, that means that there's
an embryo somewhere that is getting implanted. Well, they owned
a sarrogacy business, so like in theory they had the
embryos in their custody. Because I was having a really

(40:26):
hard time understanding this too, because I'm like, there's a
lot of steps in place to do this, So how.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Are they doing they they own like an IVF clinic.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
They have to in some capacity because how else are
they getting all these surrogate mothers unless they're working in
a partnership with a clinic and lying to the mothers
about whose embryo it is.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Or what else. I I would think that a sarrogacy
business is just trying to get women to carry babies
for people that can't have that can't carry their own baby,
like the whole science part of it, which you have
to be physicians and everything like that to do IVF
and and retrieve the embryos or to retrieve the the

(41:11):
eggs and get the sperm and make embryos and all
that stuff like that's being done somewhere else. And that's
why I'm wondering, like who's okay with that? Because I
can't imagine that one clinic would be getting do you
understand what I'm saying, Like, well, when you when you
get egg retrieval and their store and your MBR and

(41:31):
you have it made into an embryo and they're stored somewhere,
doesn't the company want to know like what you're doing
with those? If you, like, let's say right now, I
had twenty embryos in that were frozen, like I could
just do have any random come in and put them
in and not even ask like what's happening with them?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
There's no way. There's so much legal legal and paper.
I guess I don't know the legalities actually, because they
did interview this woman who said this was that surrogacy
was extremely unregulated business.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
So that's that's just the carrying of the actual of
the actual embryo. No, I know that.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
So I'm saying, like the scenarios I envision are either
they're working with a corrupt clinic or a clinic that
is turning a blind eye to letting all their embryos
be implanted in these women, or they have all the
embryos spread out amongst multiple clinics and that's how they're doing.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But they didn't mention anything in any of the articles
about any of this. This is option yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
The crime the crime here is the child abuse, right,
but we can't really glaze over, like what's going on
with all these children being born? And I guess is
it it's.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Like Illario Baldwin. Didn't she get pregnant and then have
someone carrying a baby for her at the same time? Yeah,
Like I guess, like two kids that are like a
month apart or something.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
I guess the greater question here is is it illegal.
Let's say you were super rich and had the means
to care for all these children and pay all the surrogates.
Is it illegal to have seventeen children at one time?
Or can they not do anything about it because it's
your baby, right, that's what I want to know. Or
is this just like these people never imagined when they's

(43:27):
when IVF started coming about and sarrogacy and everything. I mean,
surrogates have been around for centuries. But you know what
I mean with with in vitro that they didn't predict
that anybody could have seventeen children at one time basically,
And so there's no rules regulations.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Any person in the right mind would say, why the
hell would you want to have seventeen children at one time,
even if you, like, even if you were rich and
you had all the resources for babysitters and this and that, Like,
why would that? It doesn't even seem like a rational
decision for any human to to make.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Well.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
But like we talk about this all the time, there's
not a lot of rules put into place about certain
things like that, because where do you draw the line.
Like we're gonna talk about a person in in coming
up in another episode this week that has had twelve
l or trying to work on having twelve children, and

(44:23):
it's like, obviously like most people would be like you're
a crazy person, But like, where do you draw the
line and say okay, Well six is okay, but seven
isn't or whatever, Like, they don't do that, So you
just have to hope that people aren't gonna abuse it.
And since you're saying that surrogacy has been around for
centuries obviously prior to IVF, Like what did they do

(44:46):
in those cases? Because maybe there isn't an IVF clinic
involved at all, and maybe it was just a woman
getting paid sixty thousand dollars to have sex with a
guy and have the baby and give the baby to them.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Well, yeah, that's how it used. I guess that back
in the day.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
So is is that a possibility that that's what happened
in this case?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I guess it's a possibility, But I don't think with
modern surrogacy that's I don't I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Like are those kids genetically their children?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It appears they are, unless they're stealing embryos or getting
donated embryos.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
But think about this, but even if you got the
donated embryo, somebody has to put it inside the person.
You can't just do that if you don't know what
you're doing. I'm all right.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
Now that the conversation is developing a little more I'm
thinking about this, I'm gonna say there's no regulations about
how many, Like I can't fathom somebody having seventeen embryos
to use, give or take in a three year period, right,
But it happens to some people.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Some people get a lot.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
So let's say there's no regulations as far as how many,
because how are you gonna put a number on that?
And then I'm thinking of octomom. Didn't they put twelve
embryos in her at one time?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
They put Yeah, they put a lot in her, but
that was considered I think the actual implantation. There are
regulations as far as how many get implanet just because
well that there are.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
But I don't think there were when she got that.
I think the regulations are in place now because of
cases like her, where they put twelve in and then
she ends up having eight babies at one time, because
that's not only just like ridiculous, but it's very dangerous
for the mother to have to go through that. So
I think I would say now that average is probably
the most you could put in is too probably for twins.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Right, Yeah, But when you're saying if there was, let's say,
in that woman's situation if there were twelve different women
willing to each get one embryo put in them, is
that legal.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'm gonna say probably yes, because I think it's just
a blind spot in the in the industry.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Yeah, it's probably more like ethical versus legal, Like any
well respected practice would be like I'm not doing that,
but like.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
There's always the clinic. Yeah, they're not going to give
a shit.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I hope not.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I hope because I know that's probably emotional thing. If
we have a listener that has gone through this and
use the sarrogate, please tell us how it went down
for you, Like, what did your paperwork say, how did
the process go of finding a person, How did the
clinic connect with the person? Did your clinic offer the surrogate.
I'm very curious how that works in that case, and

(47:27):
I'd like to hear from sobby that personally went through it.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
I don't know, but I guess in this case, I mean,
the crime in itself is the child abuse.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, but it's shaken baby syndrome that this kid has
that is terrible. Actually, it's it's really a very very
serious form of child abuse. We wrote a high profile
death to section about this in the Grosser room years ago.
It happens to three thousand kids a year, which is

(47:57):
a lot, and it's caused, I mean, it's call by
a frustrated parent, usually a male in most cases, but
women do do it too. But like, you're going to
increase the risk of being frustrated with a baby when
you have twenty of them around you, right, that are
all the same age, by the way, which is just

(48:17):
so bizarre, But twenty five percent of the babies that
have Shaken baby syndrome will die, and up to eighty
percent of them that do survive are going to have
long term problems with their brain, cognitive developmental. They could
even have like physical disabilities like cerebral palsy and stuff.

(48:39):
Eighty percent of the survivors, Like it's it's just a
terrible form of child abuse. And the fact that that
person is doing it to one child, it's probably been
done to other children as well that are in their care.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Well, I think that's why all the kids just got
taken for now, because they found video from inside the
house showing abuse happening. And like you're saying, I'm sure
it happened to other people also, I wanted to bring
up this quote from the article from this woman Calli Fell.
She's the executive director of the nonprofit Center of Bioethics
and Culture. She was saying, it smells of trafficking, child trafficking.

(49:16):
What are the intentions of having that many children at
home through these assisted reproductive technologies? And that's the same
question we have, Why would you want to have that
many I understand wanting to have a large family, but
it is extremely unusual to have this many children back
to back.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Did they show a picture of the house or anything
that was rated feelings? I saw something, Yeah, because it's
just I'm just curious, Like the whole entire thing is
just so bizarre to me. Of having money like that
to be able to give people and I don't know,

(49:52):
and yeah, of course these these women, I mean, being
a surrogate, is it. I don't know anybody that's ever
done it, and I've never done it myself, but I
imagine it's a very There has to be some kind
of emotional detachment, and most people decide to do it
because it's really good money, Like getting sixty thousand dollars

(50:13):
is a lot for somebody. It could pay off a
portion of your house, it could pay off your student loans,
and they want to do it for the nice money,
but they also want to do it because they want
to help somebody that can't have a baby. So you
understand that women want to do it, but there's also
even though they're getting paid for it, when you carry

(50:34):
a child, there's still going to be some emotional attachment
to that child. And knowing that you give birth to
this child and hand it over to someone and they're
not treating it well, that would make me want to
try to get it back too. Well.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Of course, I think if that ends up working out
for that person, that they deserve to take that child,
because clearly they didn't.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
They were.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Deceived in what was going on behind the scenes, and
they're sitting there thinking like, oh, I'm helping out a
family that can't naturally have a baby, they only have
one other child, only to find out no, they really
have twenty plus children sitting at home that are getting abused.
So if you could at least give one or some
of those kids a shot at a better life, somebody
should definitely be trying to do that. Also, I want

(51:19):
to say sixty thousand dollars is low for Sarah get
I think it is aid on average, they make between
one hundred to two hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah, and I think, I mean, they're probably taking advantage
of women that are in a really shitty situation because
it might be like, listen, I'll take sixty thousand dollars
if you want to give it to me, right, because
it will it will drastically help pay something off in
my life. Right. But when you're talking about doing something

(51:49):
like that, because being pregnant is not fun. It puts
your life at risk. It's not a benign condition. You
can die from it, you could get seriously injured for
the rest of your life from it. I would want
it to be significant amount of money, to be like, oh,
it's actually paying off my house, or it's paying for
my kids to go to call like a huge bill,

(52:10):
you know. And now it's like sixty thousand dollars isn't
as much money as it used to be, which makes
me think if they're low ball in these women, it's
like they're they're finding desperate women. And that's also not cool, No,
not at all.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I mean it's totally deceiving. I'm really curious what investigation's
gonna what an investigation is gonna show up about what's
going on behind the scenes, because obviously they were looking
into the child abuse. But this is so bizarre and
I need to now research all the laws behind this.
I just want to say, it's probably like a blind
spot in the industry, because I'm sure they would think

(52:45):
no normal person in their right mind once seventeen three
year old or younger running around their house. All right,
So a rare flesh eating bacteria is concerning people in
Florida after four people have died in over half a
dozen people sick. So do you want to explain this?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Did you see my I did a post on my
Instagram score story of a screenshot from news Week and
it said viral flesh eating bacteria kills four in Florida,
and then the first two lines of the set and
say a bacteria called vibrio. And I'm like, dude, please,
I can't stay at the news with their calling shit

(53:22):
a virus and a bacteria. They're two totally different things.
But I did see that you both. Then it's just
so sloppy and it drives me nuts. And when they
write an article like that, you're just like it's just
a person that doesn't know what they're talking about. But
then you're like, well, then just don't write it if
you don't know what you're talking about. Anyway, It's a
bacteria that thrives in salt water conditions, in nice warm water.

(53:47):
So it's very common in the Gulf, especially in the South.
And what happens is that, especially with the way that
the temperature goes in you know that the water ocean
water is increasing in temperature and stuff. If there are
a lot of hurricanes, it could start up that warm

(54:08):
water and kind of pull it up more north like
towards US. Not all the way towards US though, but
you could see these kinds of infections like in the
Carolinas and stuff too, just because like warmer water is
coming up. So these bacteria, not viruses, bacteria thrive in
this salt water environment. So there's two different ways you
can get an infection. Number one is you can somehow

(54:32):
eat it ingest it. So this could be as simple
as water going up your nose in an area where
this bacteria is or specifically, this is why they tell
you not to eat like raw oysters, which are my
absolute favorite, and I always keep this in the back
of my mind, but I still eat them because they're
just so good, and I really I can't give it up.

(54:52):
I'm sorry, and you just have to hope that. So
most people, when they get exposure to this bacteria, they
don't get really that sick from it because your immune
system works great. But in some cases, people especially that
don't have great immune systems. I'm not sure about the
four people who died in Florida, but there's a likelihood
that they could just be like old and just because

(55:14):
old chape a lot of old people are retired there
in Florida. But you could also get it if you
have so the bacteria, Like if you're just swimming in
water that has vibrio, you can't get it through your skin,
but if you have a cut on your leg, it
could go in that way, and then you can get
necrotizing fasciitis, which is also called flesh eating bacteria.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
So they're saying with this that the common symptoms include diarrhea,
stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, and fever. Isn't that the same
thing with most problems you could have, Like, how are
you supposed to differentiate if you have this flesh eating
bacteria versus another GENMA.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Well, I think that's that's if you ingest it, that
would be your symptoms. But if it goes in through
one of your wounds, you know it because it looks
it's really nasty because it's called neckartizing fat fasciitis. Neckartizing
means dead, so the bacteria is killing the tissue. So
let's say, for example, you were shaving your legs and

(56:13):
had a big cut on your leg and then you
go in the ocean and you have an exposure to
this bacteria and it gets in there. All of a sudden,
it's going to start looking really angry. It's going to
be red, swollen, hot to the touch, and then the wound,
the initial like shaving wound that you had, will start
turning black and it's going to look like, oh, I
better go get this checked out. The unfortunate thing is

(56:33):
that people die within a day or two of this
and of this infection, and it's very deadly. So if
you don't go and get it checked out like right away,
it could be really really bad. There's only fortunately there's
only one hundred and fifty to two hundred cases a year,
but if it gets into your bloodstream, either from the

(56:53):
infection of you taking it in your body and having
this diarrhea or from getting it from the wound. It's
fifty percent cases are fatal. So but overall it's really scary.
It's scary, but overall it's still pretty rare, right, Oh,
it's so rare. One hundred and fifty cases a year
is like nothing, no, and like people are exposed to

(57:16):
it all the time. Like I said, it's just like
it's a it's an opportunistic infection. It just means that
you have to have the certain conditions and your body
just has to be able to not fight off this
particular bacteria. And I think, I guess it's it's more
scary because people in Florida. You hear, like, you're in
Florida and you want to swim in this ocean because
it's beautiful, right, it's like clear blue water. And then

(57:39):
you hear four different people died from it. And but
but like I said, I would just like to know
what the situation was around that, because I don't even
know if they said it was people from swimming, or
if it was from a particular part of the water,
or if it was from particular oysters that came from
a certain area. All right, let's move on.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
To our true horror story. Last story, which is on
a seven day Royal cruise going from LA to Mexico.
Over four thousand people were on board, and one hundred
and forty of those people got sick with a GI
book and had to quarantine in their cabins.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
So do the people does everyone on the boat have
to quarantine or just the people that are sick?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I think just the people that are sick. But wouldn't
it be better if everybody did?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
No? Who would that be? Who would that be better
for the people on the cruise. I'm just curious, like
if if we just, let's say the cruise that we
just went on, let's say like a couple of us,
got it, they're going to make us stay in our
room the rest of the trip, right, Yeah? Are we
getting our money back that they're not letting us leave
the room?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
No? Because it's probably one of those things that you
like sign in the ticket.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, because.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
This is what that No, that's where we tried to
legally try to get people on the poop because there
was something in the contract they signed that they weren't
responsible if something like that happened, right, But I guess
since that happened, they've changed laws. But I'm gonna say
this is one of those things like it's not our fault,
so your beat basically, even though I do agree you

(59:16):
should get at least some of your money back. But
I found it interesting because I think a YouTube subscriber
or somebody in the gross room had said that they
purposely don't sell a medium in the little store on
the cruise because they want you to have to go
to the medical center to report if you're having diarrhea.

(59:37):
Oh that's interesting, so they could try to contain it.
Although sometimes you know, like not to blow up my
husband's spot, but he just has chronic poop issues. Like
it doesn't necessarily mean he has a virus. You just
like always just the poop.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
And yeah, I know. But the thing is is that
when you have one of these particular I mean, like
it's probably neurovirus. They haven't said what it is yet,
but that is most commonly what it would be. When
you have that, you're like peeing out of your butt
for two days straight. It's just a lot different than
like your classic like, oh, I ate something bad, got

(01:00:11):
diarrhea thing. So if you just couldn't keep it down
for days in a row and you're getting to the
point where you're becoming like chronically dehydrated, and it's you
need medical attention, that's what they're talking about. And really
like emodium is not good, like you should let it
flesh out of your system anyway. So but I understand

(01:00:32):
that if you're on a trip, obviously you would want
to take that to make it stop.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The thought of having neurovirus in that bathroom especially, I
mean your bathroom was a little bit of an upgrade
from mine because I had like the most basic room,
but it's the smallest bathroom ever. It's so tight in there.
You could feel the boat moving the most in the bathroom.
The thought of having neurovirus and being stuck in there

(01:00:58):
while you're like shitting your brains out, rowing up everywhere
in that tiny ass.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Room, Oh my god, I would have been able to.
I think I could have been fine in my room
because I had the balcony, but mo mom had the
balcony like the luxe room, and that room I could
totally stay in for the rest of the trip and
just relax. Especially if they were delivering me food and shit,
I'd be like, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, because that was like a sweet But oh god,
there's nothing worse than being sick when you're not in
your house, let alone being in the middle of the
ocean the waves moving. Oh my god, that must just
make it so much worse.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, So, I mean we locked out because this was
the Royal Caribbean. We went on a Royal Caribbean too.
I guess we should just say that we're lucky the
trip was. We didn't have any problems like that, luckily,
But for these people, totally sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
All right, Let's move on to questions of the Day.
Every Friday at the ap Mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys can head over to our story and ask
whatever you want. First, what's your favorite organ based on appearance?
This person says theirs is the pituitary because it looks
like a little pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
It does. Actually, I'm just kind of boring. My favorite
organ on appearance is the heart. I just I just
love it so much. You're such a basic and edity
I I am. I don't I like the heart anatomically too.
It's very interesting for me, But it's it's just funny
you ask that because we have like all of us

(01:02:23):
that work in this field are like, what's your favorite
organ to look at? What's your favorite? But like I
think my my favorite organ system is probably the GI track.
But like as far as like what looks go anatomic hert,
I just I just like it. I'd wear it on
a T shirt, Like, I just like the way it looks.
But I can appreciate that you like the little pumpkin.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
All right, what is the rarest specimen you've ever received?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
This is a really hard one to say, because I've
seen so many different cool things and I've just you
know how we always say, like sometimes we'll be at
a family party and people say, like, what are you
talking about on the podcast? And we're we were like,
I don't know, even though we had like twenty stories
still last week. Right, It's like, I so I've been

(01:03:12):
trying to think about like different cool things that we've
gotten in surgical pathology. Obviously, like a uterine didelphus or
a double uterus is cool, but I have seen a
couple of them, so it's not I guess it wouldn't
be considered super rare. We did get a quadruplet placenta
once and that was cool, and I don't know if
a lot of people get to see that in their career.

(01:03:34):
I've gotten a cutaneous horn, which and it was not
like a little tiny one. It was like a unicorn
horn that someone was walking around with on their heads,
So that was kind of cool. Andrea had that brain
abscess I told you, from toxoplasmosis, so that was cool.
I'm just trying. I'm just trying to think like it.

(01:03:55):
I mean, the like I told you guys, I've seen
a horseshoe kidney at autopsy. That was super cool.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Do you have like a dream specimen you want to see, Well,
I have a dream autopsy which is citis and versus,
which is when your organs are like mirror imaged on
the other side. So I would really like to see that.
And I've never seen that. I think Crisper has.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Oh wow, yeah she because she works in the children's hospital,
so that would just be like more common to see.
So yeah, I would definitely like to see that. Like legit,
I've seen every I've seen so much of a lot
of the different things that I would like to see obviously,
any I'm just trying to think if there's anything else
that I really just like haven't seen. I mean, obviously

(01:04:37):
I would like to see like neurosyphilis or something, but like,
what are the chances of that happening in this decade?
I mean, I don't know. Syphilis is on the rise apparently,
so maybe we will say it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
But and the plague, We're like going right back to
where we started.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
It's kind of crazy. Syphilis is my favorite STD.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So all right, do you guys dress alike on purpose?

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Now? Not really?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I mean it's hard to say because today so this
question comes up, and today we're like accidentally complimentary pastels. Right,
but you would never life wear blue?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
No, I only wear I only wear certain colors, and
blue is not in my colors.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
She's and not these dumb colors everybody's paying three hundred
dollars to get. Let's talk about that scam of the century.
People are getting red colors. People are draping napkins on
people's shoulders and telling them these colors look good on them.
Anybody that has basic color theory can tell you that.
And guess what. Most of the people I see that
do these colors aren't correct with the skin tones.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
It's not right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
They're not flattering colors to go with that person, don't
pay three hundred dollars to get done. If you're doing
it scamming three hundred people for three hundred dollars, good.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Good for you. No, Listen, I don't agree with Maria
on this because I think I don't really I don't
really ever say that I'm good at anything in my
life because I'm I'm not. But one of my special
powers I should say that I have is that I'm

(01:06:14):
very good with color, Like I have a special vision
I think that like a lot of people don't have
when it comes to color and seeing color and what
goes together and things like that. It's just something I have,
and I appreciate that other people can't see that. They
like I could walk into a room and undress it

(01:06:38):
with my eyes and visualize things that I feel like
other people can't do that necessarily. It's just like my
specific artistic talent. So when people want to get their
color done and stuff, I understand that because people just
genuinely like they don't see it that way because they're
not artists.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Listen, and I agree with you, but I'm saying that
people doing the colors also don't know how to do
the colors. So then it's like the blind leading the
blind on the color.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
Because isn't it like you, isn't it kind of like
a mom job, Like it's like, oh, you could make
this extra money and not have to like go to
an actual job kind of thing. It's like one of
those trending.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
All right, listen, I think I know this start doing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Well. I just I think that I think that it's
it's in art, and I think that people would be good.
Someone like me couldn't do it because I don't think
that I would be good for it with other people.
I just think it because people come to our house
all the time and they're like, please help me decorate
my house in this area. But you're not everything works
for me for my particular life.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
But you're not styling somebody in outfits to their taste
or their body side. Like you're straight up looking at
like their skin tone and telling them what colors are
complimentary with their skin tone, which I think you would
be really good at.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah, I maybe I don't know. I just I just think,
but I don't down people that want to get it
done because they just don't they don't know. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I just think people are getting scammed. I understand wanting
to do it, but I think you really got to
go to somebody that knows what they're doing. Becau It's
like a lot of people doing it have no idea
what they're doing. And I see their like example pictures
they're posting, and I'm like, what happened? Like who told
you this?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Anyway, Going back to dressing, I don't. We don't. We
don't like call each other before an episode and say
what are you wearing? Like I know, but what I
mean we kind of dress. You have a different style
of dressing for sure, but I always wear I have
like four colors that I wear, so one of them
is black and one of them is white. So it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Your whole like I try to match the backdrop here, right,
because I don't want it to be visually bad for YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Yeah, and you in per would you wear like Kelly Green?
And like I would never wear Kelly Green ever, not
on the show or in real life, but you do.
And you wear like orange and I would never wear
orange like stuff like that, So you dress a little
bit more toned down for the YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
But yeah, because I want to match, because I'm not
gonna wear like a bright I mean, I have a
shirt that I've worn on here before that has orange
in it, but there's other colors that take away from it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
But orange is the worst color in the rainbow. That's
what you think. Uh, today's green.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Today, I'm wearing a light blue shirt. But you would
never even wear something like this, even though it's pastel
and matches the backdrop. No, God forbid, but no. We
have similar styles, but you're in your defined color palette,
and you also dress very like similarly, Like all your
stuff looks the same. When you look at your wardrobe,

(01:09:57):
it looks like it's from one set collection like mine's
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
That's crazy. That's another thing let's talk about. Like my
color thing, which is which is a good positive artistic
trait I have? I don't have it at all when
it comes to dressing, Like I could dress and like
look normal and get by. I don't think I dress terrible,
but I don't dress good. I used to work with

(01:10:24):
a doctor. She dressed. She used to mix patterns and
print like all this shit, and she just looked so
awesome every day. I was like so jealous of the
way she dressed, just she just I don't I don't
really know how to explain it. And it's like a
skill that people have that know how that you could
go in a closet and just like know what goes

(01:10:44):
good together and and walk around and dress well, like uh,
Carrie in Sex in the City or something like that,
just like like where like things that nobody would ever
think to put together that just work right. I don't
have that even a little bit, Like I have no idea,
and I am very envious of people that could dress
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I think, though you look really put together. I just
I think when it's crunch time, like you have a
live event or something, you know how to dress really well.
I just think every day we don't have anywhere to
go or anything to do, So why are you just
not gonna wear a teakir? Maybe it's just because I'm lazy,
Like like, I guess I could, in theory wake up
every day and put I have enough clothes to look

(01:11:26):
nice every day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
But I just too lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I guess I'm definitely lazy because I open my closet
all the time and I'm like, I have all these
nice clothes in here, yet I choose to look like
a total slob every day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
So well, to my defense, when I'm done recording, I'm
like going to cook dinner and get dirty and go
outside and like work in the garden, and I just, yeah,
I guess I'm just too lazy to get undressed again.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
But to answer the question, we don't dress alike on purpose.
We have similar styles, and I do try to match
the color of our branding, which happens to be your
personal color, Balete. But on a regular basis, if you
see us out in public, no, I'm usually wearing an
extremely bright colored shirt and she makes fun of every

(01:12:13):
outphit I wear. So that's how that goes. All right, guys,
we are gonna be at Crime Con in Denver September
fifth to September seventh. There's some tickets left for that,
so you want to make sure to check that out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yeah. My lectures so good too. Yeah, the lexay incredible. Yeah,
it's I'm almost done it, but I think that everybody's
gonna like it. Again, it's going to be a situation where,
you know, maybe twenty percent of the room is leaving
because of the graphic nature of some of the things
I'm showing and talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
But and even though you give the warning, people aren't prepared,
and there's always people like trickling.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Yeah, it's it's I think especially a lot of people
think that they're they could see these images, and then
when they see them, they're like, it's just it's very overwhelming.
So but a lot of people that have obviously have
been knowing my thing for a while are totally fine
with it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, but we're gonna be there. Cheryl's gonna be there.
Joseph Scott, Morgan, Nancy Grace, Tom Smith of the gold
Shields podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Murphy hang out with Tom. We gotta get Lauren Conlin
to come somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I know we're gonna bully her in that coup.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
We should just like tell her bring her kids and
tell mo, mom the babysit them or something. All the
kids she'll have, like we'll have a daycare in one
of the rooms or something.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Honestly, I feel like momm would enjoy that. She genuinely
likes children where.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
She really does. She's like, she's really an adult that
loves children and animals.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Even when we were at their house the other day.
I was looking around, and you really, when you look
around their house, it's like all pictures of her grandchildren,
Like she is the stereotypical cute grandmother that has all
every craft they've ever made. Her hung up every picture
of them, which I'm so terrible that we were just
talking about this. My next dortighbor was over and she's

(01:14:05):
one of my friends. You know, we were talking about
like the kids were showing all of their paintings, and
you know, they were saying something like, oh, you have
to say that because because you're my mom, And I
was like, I never tell you that something's good if
it's not good. Like if you do a painting and
I don't like it, I will not hang it up
in my house. What he means that I won't because

(01:14:28):
I'm just I'm not gonna like they That's how you
get better as a person, when you're telling your kids,
like they're not doing good at something.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
If they're not, I'm not going to just like blow
smoke up there. It's just because, like you know, just
because I'm their mom or whatever. But I have lots
of their stuff hanging up because because it's awesome. But
just like every single thing they do, I'll be like,
you could do better, you could fix that or something
like that. So that's what's funny. But my mom doesn't.
She just like some of the stuff I saw hanging

(01:14:56):
up at her house. I was just like, God, this
is so crappy, like why she had this hanging up still?
But because she's just such a grady is it's not
like it's not like fake, you know how some people
like try to act like on Facebook that they're like
this person or whatever. Yes, like she no, hers is
like genuinely and and the kids know it because whenever

(01:15:16):
she comes around, they like run right to her.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Yeah, of course she No, she's very much one of
those girls. I mean she calls me like every day.
I talk to her every single day, and I have
like my entire life. She does the same thing with Dedie,
and she does the same thing with the kids, and
like they love her. She's not one of these hands
off grandparents that's on Facebook like best grandma ever. But
you've never seen you even seen your grandkids in six pots.

(01:15:42):
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Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
See you next time, guys. Thank you for listening to
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a pathologist's assistant. I have a master's level education and
specialize in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a
doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead

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