December 16, 2025 • 37 mins
This week, Tommy is joined by actress Philippine Leroy-Beaulieu, best known for her iconic role as Sylvie Grateau on Netflix’s global hit Emily in Paris. With a career spanning over 40 years and more than 50 film and television roles, Philippine has become a symbol of confidence, elegance, and creative longevity. Now, she’s preparing to return for season five of Emily in Paris, premiering December 18th.
She dives deep into Sylvie Grateau—what first drew her to the character, how Sylvie’s strength and vulnerability resonate with her personally, and how the character has helped shape her confidence (and unmistakable wardrobe) over the seasons. Plus, Philippine shares what audiences can expect from Sylvie in the new season and why this chapter of her career feels more exciting than ever.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy di Dario Happy Emily in Paris week. I feel
like this should be a national holiday because we have
been waiting a long time. Well, it feels like a
long time for this next season. This show is pure joy.
It is escapism to a world's of European backdrops and
incredible fashion, but also Emily in Paris. It has a
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lot of relatable themes of career, ambition, friendship, to aiding
in the modern world, and so much more. Season five
it's out December eighteenth, but I know you already have
clocked that. And today I'm hanging out with the brilliant
Philippine Laua Biolu, who plays the iconic character of Sylvie.
I tried with the name as best as I can
to master the accent. Hopefully I made Philippine somewhat proud.
(00:47):
It's taling from Jersey, really tried. The world has fallen
in love with her character, Sylvine. I think the reaction
to the standout character was something that even surprised Philippine.
Now it's a spoiler free combo we touch on season
five just a little bit. Quench your thirst a little bit,
and we talk about something that happens towards the end
of season five that doesn't really spoil anything. It's just
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about a decision that a character has to make. So
I really think that you guys are going to thoroughly
enjoy this love letter to Emily in Paris and a
show that means so much to so many people. I know,
I had such a good time. So come get comfy,
escape to the worlds of Paris with me. Well, actually
I should say the world of Rome with me based
on the new season, and let's see if today we
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can get Philippine to say something that she has never
said before.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Philippine, look at you.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I am so excited to have you sitting across from
me today.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh that's sweet. Thank you so much. I'm really excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh my god, I feel like you are somebody that
I've been watching for years now, and I just so
love this character you've created and how you bring her
to life. And so many people love this character. And
we're going to talk about what an icon she has become.
But I think to start off with Emily and Paris.
Many people love it right because of the fashion and
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the restaurants and the culture and the fabulous things you
guys are all doing, and of course Paris and now
Rome in season five. But I think there's a lot
more than that in this show. There's a lot more
right that meets the eye. So for you, how would
you kind of describe what this show means to you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's funny because lately I thought, actually a few months ago,
I thought, you know, when we're going to see the
show in like ten meet in ten years or something,
it's gonna it's going to really tell us about It's
going to be a picture of an era and of
this moment where women's liberation is up to a point
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where now we can do it all, we can have
it all, we can. But look at the loneliness of
these women. You know, I told her last year, I
was like, do you realize that all our you know,
female characters are really like lost in a way. And
they're having a lot of fun. They're you know, they're
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having it's a great life, but they're kind of lost.
They're like jumping and Darren's always like they don't have
to choose. They can have many boyfriends. They can, you know,
of course, but there's a moment where I feel that
Sylvie has that moment where she's like she's running after
something that is like a never ending thirst for something
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that she doesn't even know what it is. It's so
for me, it's a sort of a picture of a
society that's always running after more and more and more
and more and more, And what's the scope, what's the
you know, I know it's it's it sounds like a tragedy. Suddenly,
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Emily in Paris is like, but you know, it's always
with Darren, you always have like you have a lot
of layers because when you watch Sex and the City
now you have like this really clear picture of where
society was at at that moment in the nineties and
now basically it's the same thing. And I think, yeah,
Emily has a lot of layers, a lot more than Mesia.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, well so to Sylvie, right, And I think that's
that's part of the magic of the show is yes,
there's so much fun and visually it is such a
gorgeous show to watch, but there's.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Real life shit behind all these.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Really totally you know, totally you know, she like Emily's
always like coping with Sylvie's bad temper short tempered, and
I always wonder, like, what does she think about at night,
you know, when she goes home and thinks, this woman
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it's been really mean to me. But I have to
cope with that, and I have. She's always like, it's fine,
I'm fine, I'm fine. It feels like she's always playing
like it doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt. But it
does hurt. Of course it does. And and Sylvie, on
the other hand, is like torturing Emily for some reason,
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probably because she sees herself in her. She would like
her to be better than what she There's something about
what I feel about myself. I don't feel great about myself,
and I want you to be better at that kind
of projection. So it's yeah, it's quite complicated. Their relationship
is very complicated. It's it's a sort of a love relationship. Yeah,
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and I think the love story is there, you know,
with all its you know, really complicated issues. And yeah,
it's it's quite and I feel it's very heavy to carry.
I know that when I'm done with four months of shooting,
I'm exhausted, not only because of the long hours and
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blah blah blah, I'm exhausted by this character that's actually
carrying a lot of contradictions, you know, desperation sometimes that
she hides behind this you know, always impeccable. I'm always
dressed up, as you know, but she's hiding something clearly,
and I have to have that in me in order
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to make her, you know, alive, Otherwise should be just
another comedy villain, which and I kind of like to
give her that dimension that is many deeper.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Or Yeah, she's a complex woman, for sure. I appreciate
a complex woman. I grew up an Italian from New Jersey.
I grew up with a lot of ants and powerful
women in my life. And I think that's what's so
interesting about a role like this is you get to
peel the layers back and see things as the episode's
unravel that you're like, oh wait, I thought this, but
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that might not be true. And it's just the way
you play her is so brilliant, and I imagine from
season one to now.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's been really fun to explore. So how has that been?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But that's also because of Darren's right, Because Darren, he's
gonna always lead you somewhere and then he's going to
take a sudden turn. Okay, you thought that about your character,
you thought that's where we're going. You thought that, but no,
I'm gonna surprise you. And that was a lot of
fun because it can get kind of repetitive to play,
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you know, a role for five seasons like okay, where
are we going? But with Darren, it's always like, I mean,
this season, there's things that happen that are so unexpected,
and so how do I work on it? I just
try to first of all, all of Darren's writing, because
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it's very clever and really, you know, get into try
to try to get into the unconscious dreams of the author.
What is he trying to what is he really trying
to say that he doesn't even know he's trying to
say when he's writing. Yeah, and that's fast. Sometimes I'm wrong.
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Obviously it's my you know, it's my fantasy. But it's
fun because then you can like make things very paradoxical.
Then you aren't set and you're just going to play
it simple, but you have that and your body in
your head somewhere, and so it's fun because when you
need it, it kind of pops up and you just go, oh, okay,
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that's that weird thing that I thought about yesterday, about
the scene that I could put in here or there
or and it gives me some texture to work on,
you know, and to have fun through because it's been
like we started in nineteen before the pandemic hit and everything,
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and so it's been six years in.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
A long time and you created a character that's become
a fan favorite. Did you ever expect that?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Never?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, But by the way, from all different generations, like
people that are millennials and gen Z and all that,
everybody loves this character.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's crazy, because that's the thing. I really did think
that it would like it would be my generation who
would like, you know, like her or kind of identify
with her or whatever. But I was really surprised when
I realized, like fourteen fifteen year old girls were like,
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I don't know, is it because I don't know? Is
it because I have that kind of Sylvie? Is it
like one of those mommy Deira's kind of character? You know,
she's like she's a mother. She's a bit toxic, but
she's also nurturing, but she's also she has this complex
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thing that's very motherly and it's you know, and it's
toxic and it's in its nurturing ways. It's very so
I think, yeah, I think we're all attracted by toxicity.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
We'll I'm back, I'm talking about toxicity here. Yeah, but
we are in no way actually yeah, yeah, I know
people people absolutely love her. Sylvie is also a gay icon.
She has become a gay icon. How much fun is
that for you? You know, the gays all love her.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I didn't realize that until like season three, Baby. I
was like, oh wow, okay, I don't know. Is it
because of the clothes or is it because it's mummy deers? Both?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Absolutely? Both absolutely both.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Like if you walked into a gay club, they would
go crazy crazy. That needs to be part of your
next press stor that would be really fun. Was there
a defining moment for you as Sylvie that's always stuck
with you?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
M a defining moment? That's funny that question is? I
think yeah. I think season one already was. Season one
was more I was getting to know her, and we
were getting to I was getting to know her, but
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I realized the relationship with Emily at that moment, the
way I was looking down at her and at the
same time putting a lot of hope into the fact
that she was probably the good person to work in
the office, but also she's too American, and that that
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feeling of she's too American, I'm too French. That was like,
there's this scene, like the Dolour scene where that was
season one, and it became a sort of a clip
like you know, where she goes we have a meeting
with Delore and I'm like, de lur, de leur, de
l that was that was an improv you know, we
just did it, and so it's it's stuck in the
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film and then that it's funny because it's really this
love and hate between the French and the Americans. And
I thought, Okay, I'm going to go from there because
this is like, you know, the cartoon the comic book Asthetics.
So I felt like Aesthetics, it's the little village is
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going to resist the empire, you know. Yeah, so I
think that's that's what that's how she. I grew out
of that idea. It grew out of that feeling of
how can we Is there a way to build a
bridge between our cultures or is it just a fantasy
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because we're actually so different even though we appreciate each other.
We're all so very different and we are so it's yeah,
it's really interesting. I think I started with that. I
really started with that idea of cultural misunderstanding.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, and well that creates so much conflict, and that
creates some of the really funny moments throughout the entire series.
Do you think up to this point, like where your
characters are right now, would you say that Sylvie feels
maternal towards Emily.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
She does. It's she does in a very awkward way.
The end of the season. She's really trying to push
her to do the best choice for her life, and
the moment she does that, it's very maternal. It's like,
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choose what is good for you, even though it's going
to cost me something. And it really happens at the
end of this season, and it's and it's very nice
that aspect of the relationship suddenly appears as it never
appeared before. So it's yeah, she's very maternal.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Actually maybe it didn't start that way in season one,
but it's cool to what we talked about earlier. It's
cool to see the progression and how things really haven't
folded and you guys have had so many moments together,
specifically your character and Lily Collins's character. Is there a
scene that you just loved doing with her?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, actually, that scene that is at the end of
season five where I tell her to choose. I loved
to do that scene. I was really moved by the
scene because because we have so much Actually, it happened
another time. It was in season three. It was the
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Eiffel Tower night and I realized that she betrayed me,
that she was going to go and work with Kate Walsh.
Kate Walsh's character Madeleine, and I was like so hurt,
And that was a first time I realized how much
Sylvie cared for Emily. I was like because I was
really hurt. I was really hurt at tears in my eyes, like, fuck,
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you betrayed me. And this time at the end of
the season she you know that scene. Is I really
love these moments of tragedy in a commentary.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, their juicy and they're so fun to watch.
There's so much fun to watch and you bring. You
have some scenes in the show that definitely have made
me choke up, and out of anyone in the cast,
there's just such a humanity you bring to a character
that sometimes you feel like is that switch all fer on?
You know, and then you surprise us and I don't know.
(15:44):
There's just these really powerful moments. I think that's also
part of the reason why you've connected with so many
generations of people, women and men, because it's like, oh
my god, I do see myself in that moment, which
is really cool, so much so that people are dying
for a prequel series about Sylvie's life. Would you ever
narrate something like that or be a part of something
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, maybe in a few years when the show is over,
if they want to do, Like, yeah, I would love to,
But now I think right now, if this you know,
the moment this this show is going to end, because
it will happen at some point. I think we all
want to do other stuff. But I would love to
go back to Sylvie at one point and do like
(16:25):
a spinoff. Yeah, it's a lot of people talked about that,
and I was like, yeah, why not, but not now?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, now we.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Need we need Sylvie and Emily's you know, we can't,
but yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I spin off the Internet with really once. By the way,
I don't know if you've seen this is you and
Samantha Jones from Sex and the City taking.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Over the world. That would be crazy, can you imagine, Ie?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I know, I know she was so great in that character.
My god, so inspiring, I mean, so funny.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, another powerful woman. I mean, that's I think why
people connect the two of you together.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And Darren.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Sorry, you know it's no stranger to you both, so
it would be it would be interesting, for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, and doctor Darren, We'll see what happens. We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You mentioned one day the series coming to an end,
and obviously you have an incredible team of writers who
will wrap up the story when that day comes in
thirty five years hopefully. But what would you want to
see for her? What do you what do you think
her endgame is? What are your hopes for Sylvie?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I don't know. I think she'll probably get no, I mean,
I don't know. I don't know. I have many conflicting
ideas about what she should how it should end for her,
and so I'd rather leave it to Darren. It's not
because I don't want to answer, It's really because every
time I think of something, you know, they always ask it,
what do you want to see next season for a character?
(17:53):
Blah blah blah, and you just go, I'm sure everything
I think of is much more boring than what bat
Darren is gonna, you know, think of. So he's the
master of disaster. I mean he's like, every time you
think your character is on the path to joy and
happiness and resolution or whatever, he's gonna just hit the
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character or something. And I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So, you know, do you want her to find love?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Philippine wants Sylvie to find love? Yes, but is that
interesting for the public. I'm not sure. Maybe it's interesting.
I love the idea that she she self destructs herself.
It's also because that's you know, that's the Yeah, the
trajectory of this character is so messy, and she's full
of paradoxes. You can't have her end like, Okay, she's
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happy married, happily married on an island in a yacht
or whatever. You know. It's like, doesn't make sense, doesn't
make sense, has to bite the doss, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, we'll see what happens. You keep us on our
toes with her, so who knows what can happen. I'm
looking at your ear across from me, and you strike
me as somebody who has so much confidence, which is
something that I see in Sylvie. Are you a confident
person or do you fake it till you make it?
Have you learned confidence from Sylvie?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I learned from experiencing from Sylvie both. You know. But
I'm full of doubts, full of doubts, but but also
I'm also very relaxed because I don't I don't really
care what people think of me anymore. I used to. Yeah,
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I really don't care anymore. I know who I am
in the sense that I think, I know what my
flaws are. I know where I'm vulnerable, I know where
I'm you know, it can be desperate, and I also
know that we're all their imperfection is perfection and that
(20:02):
it's okay. And I don't care. You can you can?
You know, people judge me. I don't care anymore. It's
like this, it's new, it's a new feeling, but it's
very it's very peaceful, it's very Yeah, it's very comforting
(20:22):
because again, imperfection is perfection. You know, that's the most
important thing that we have to learn. And you know,
I don't I wouldn't want to be a perfect I
don't I wouldn't be a perfect you know person or no,
it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, it's not interesting either.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's not interesting and it's not who we are as
human beings. We're here to experience stuff and to learn
and to make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And yeah, at what pointed you let go of caring
about what people may or may not think of you?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Because it's not easy to do.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, it's not at all. I think it happened in
the last few years. I think Sylvie did help a
little bit. I was already on that path, but it
wasn't it wasn't completely and then Sylvie helped me. Yes,
thank you, Sylvia. Yeah she did, No, she did. It's
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the first time that I play a character that's so
it can be, you know, seen as a villain. And
it's great because you get to own everything you are.
And it was like I just and it's really great.
It's really catarctic in a way.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, and so yeah, I think Sylvie helped a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's amazing to see. I love hearing stories like that
where first of all, you come into a point of
your life where you just stop caring about what people
think because it is. It is a hard thing to achieve.
And I know a lot of women look up to
you and men and just you come off as so
powerful and strong. But even hearing someone like you say
that's a character and I had to work on it
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and it just started happening for me in the last
few years, I think, is a good reminder that we
all are works in progress.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, totally, you know, totally. The only thing that makes
you really I don't really like the word powerful for
some reason, for the word strong. The thing that makes
you really strong is when you don't have to prove
anything anymore. You don't have to prove anything anymore. And
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that's the moment you get it and you you know,
you think it, you think about it. All that you
think about it every day is like, Okay, I don't
have to prove I don't have to prove. That's when
you're your strength kind of grows and and you probably
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it helps other people also, yeah, because they go, oh,
you know, I used I went to India a lot,
and in India they say, oh, you guys admire people
that are in the cover of a magazine, and we
admire the hermit who spent ten years in a cave.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Mm Oh, that's.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Powerful and that's so true.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, doesn't that sound nice?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's great, and it's also it's so important to have
that in mind all the time. Yeah, you know, because
ultimately we're all going to die, and the moment, I think,
the moment we go on the other side is probably
like you know, the Buddhist wrote about it, the Bardope
moment where you see your whole life and and you know,
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even never religion, we talk about you the moment the passage,
because it's probably a very mysterious and incredibly strong moment,
and we know that there's a release a lot of hormones,
a lot of you know, chemicals in your brain that
make you. So that's what we're left with at the end.
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So we'd better prepare for that moment because that's the
only It's not the cover of Vogue or anything that's
we're going to bring with us on the other side, right,
it's something else. It's something, you know, the essence of
who we are. And yeah, so I don't know, it's
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very mystery. I don't know, I think about it. I'm
just thinking, Wow, we have to kind of think about
that sometimes. You know, never forget you're gonna die and
that moment is going to be You know, all the
people that did near death experiences came back and they
all tell the most incredible stories about that. There is
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something there that is a It has a lot of
value that you know, the human beings should really consider
more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I want to see some of this spirituality in Sylvie
next season because I'm here for it. I love it
as a human.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I love conversations like this because I'm so with you
and I can talk five hours about this. It's really cool,
and it's cool you've tapped into that and you're very
safe in that space as well, because a lot of
people don't talk about that and don't want to acknowledge
the next phase of what happens one day when you're
not here. So I think that's that's really cool and
probably a reason why you're one of the many reasons
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why you're so grounded, which isn't always easy to do
in our business, right, So I think that's that's amazing
to see.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, you have to remember that you just this as
a vessel. You're carrying something, yeah that is beyond your understanding.
And then you know, just try to honor the gift
that is here and that's all. But then just yeah,
the rest that all the petty stuff happens in life.
I mean, there's so many, especially in our business.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You're just.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's you can't avoid getting caught up in these things
sometimes obviously for obvious reasons, because we live in the
material world and everything. But take a step back and
just breathe and what's important.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm ready for a meditation class with you coming very soon.
Oh my god, I need you on the calm app
so that you can narrate something that I can listen
to when I go to bed.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I am ready for it.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
What I want to go back for a minute, because
you mentioned one day when Emily in Paris is all,
you know, all done years from now, hopefully that you
would want to explore other things. Is there a genre
or a role or a franchise that you've been like, Oh,
that would be cool one day, you know what.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I'm open to everything for the read for the good
reason that I don't know how to answer that question,
because life has always brought me exactly the roles I
had to play in order to make progress as a
human being. So you always think I want that, but
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then what you really need? That's two different things. And
as an actor, we have the privilege of doing a
job that gives us the opportunity to live through an
experimental ego and that will bring some truth to your
(27:46):
own experience path and you know, realization or whatever. So
what do I wanna? Anything that's going to make me
grow even more? And I don't know what it is,
but I know that always comes, you know, it always
comes when it can be anything. It could be like Marvel,
(28:10):
it can be you know, thriller, it can be anything.
It doesn't It's more about the inner experience of a character. Yeah,
and you know, it's more about, yeah, what the character
is going through. You know, even in anything like in
a comedy or an action film where.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I want to see you as a female James Bond type,
Oh my god, I love that you would rock that.
And you need to wear those zebra boots that you're wearing.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You'd be great. Thank you so good.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
So we've talked a lot about you as an actress
and you with your work, But what do you do
when you're not working?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
What recharges you, what refuels you?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I travel. I love traveling. I've been traveling, yeah, a
lot since I was young, and I love traveling either
by my When my daughter was a baby, I would
travel with her. Then I travel with sometimes with friends.
But I kind of adore traveling by myself because I
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love to It's easier to meet people, it's easier to
do whatever you want to do, and it's again, it's
about experiencing the place, seeing the people, understanding what they're
going through and what you know. I don't like to
like do tourism and go around. I have to see that, mommy. No,
I just sit somewhere and I just try to understand
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what's going on here, what are what people are you know,
going through, what's their experience of life? What do you know? So?
And that fills me with joy. I love that. I
was like that ever since I was a kid. I
remember restaurant tables with my mom and dad and their friends,
and they were talking about things that obviously I wasn't
interested in. So I'd always try to listen to somebody
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else's conversation on the next table and try to figure
out who they were, what their house was like, what
their story was like. And I would make up this
incredible story and worlds, and so I guess, yeah, interest
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for other people's cultures and stories is what really drives me.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So we share that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I love being out to dinner or in a park
and seeing someone and I'll say to my husband, I'll
be like, that's a teacher probably teaches below fifth grade,
single lost her husband, Sally, and I'll just think of
what they and I really sometimes you nail it. No,
I have nailed it, because we've asked people not like I,
(30:45):
have you lost your husband, but like we've in like
we've been like, oh, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Teacher? I knew it. I knew it. So I'm like you.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I think it's an interest in people, and that's also
probably why you do what you do, and a genuine
interest in people.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Which yeah, completely, which.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is really really cool. I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I also love that you're somebody who's been working in
this business for decades and decades and decades. That's not easy.
I mean, you've been doing it, You've put in the work.
You are getting these roles in different parts of your
life that maybe you never thought were possible, but it's happening,
and you're showing the world that stories are so interesting,
you know, as you go through this life, and it's
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not easy to do. And I imagine that when you
were up and coming, when you were in the business.
We all want to feel seen, right, and we all
fights feel seen. Do you feel seen at this point
in your life? And did you have to kind of
earn that or fight for that throughout your career?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Oh? Now I feel seen. I mean, I mean, I'm
in Paris, is all over the world, so I do
feel seen. It would be kind of a hypocritical saying no,
I still need attention. No, but no, I feel seen
and as a person, as an intimately intimately, do I
feel seen? I don't care anymore. But I used to
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care a lot. It was like, you know, I want
to exist. I want people to hear my voice. I
just say, you know. And then now I'm like, I
don't care anymore. It's more like, I love my job
because I love going on My favorite part is working
for a part and being on set. That's my favorite
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part of all reading the script and going, oh my god,
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I
love her. I want to do her. You Know's that
kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I don't need
to be seen.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, it goes back to what you talked about earlier, right,
It's this freedom of not caring what people's opinions are
and being in a point in your life where you
feel really good with where you are and who you are.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
And we all come to these I mean all actors
have that kind of you know, we start, we do
this job because we need to be seen. That's you know,
that's who we are. And we all have like really
terrible childhoods and blah blah blah, all these things. And
the good thing is that when you when you're able
to get over all that and forgive and then you
(33:17):
just relax, you can just be yourself, yeah, quietly and
just have fun with the with the job.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And you and forgiveness That is key, right for not
just the other person, for you, I mean there's I
believe forgiveness has so many health benefits too. So at
the very least, if you're like I don't want to
forgive someone, like, realize it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It causes less stress and.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's eating the other person's horrible. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You nailed it with that, And I love that reminder,
which is so so important so I literally want to
have a twenty hour spiritual conversation with you. I wish
we had wine, I wish I'm like, now I'm missed
opportunity next time?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes, absolutely, oh, yes, yes, yes yes. As we wrap
this conversation up the name of the shows. I've never
said this before, and it was born because I work
a lot of red carpets and junkets, and I sit
with people for two minutes or three minutes if you're lucky,
and it's such quick conversation, and usually every outlet wants
the same bite, and you're answering the same question, and
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it's not interesting for you, it's not interesting for us.
So I said, I'm going to create a show where
I can bring people on and we can talk and
actually have a real conversation and give them a moment
at the end to say something that's either on their
mind or that they've never had a chance to say,
or whatever that question means to you. That is up
to my guests. So I'm wondering if there is anything
today you've never said before.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, there's something I think we should never forget that
it's not only about loving ourselves, it's about being able
to love other people. And that's It's like, loving yourself
is probably the path to being open to to have
(35:02):
the courage to love other people. The courage and the
heart are the same thing. There's this in remember in
Peter in Sorry Robin Hood, there's Richard heart of Lion
that comes back from the war. So that's it's love, right,
(35:22):
Let's be brave, let's love m that's all we can
do with our lives.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That is the most beautiful note to end this conversation.
I'm not kidding you. You call your agent and say
I need to do a meditation app or a book
or something, because you have a lot to give in
that space.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And I like.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
The things you have to say about it because they're
based off lived experiences and travel as you mentioned, and
your life. And I think that in this day and
age where there's so much noise and everything's coming at
us from a million different directions, things like that are
really valuable.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
So it's hard the noise that we Yeah, yeah, it's
hard because we need meaning.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, well, you create good noise for all of us
with your show and your work, and we are so
excited for season five.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
We look forward to many more Stories from.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You was great.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh my god, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yet I couldn't love you more. Andrew Zebra Boots. I'm obsessed.
So we will see you on season five of Emily
in Paris.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
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Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,
Tommy di Dario Happy Emily in Paris week. I feel
like this should be a national holiday because we have
been waiting a long time. Well, it feels like a
long time for this next season. This show is pure joy.
It is escapism to a world's of European backdrops and
incredible fashion, but also Emily in Paris. It has a
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lot of relatable themes of career, ambition, friendship, to aiding
in the modern world, and so much more. Season five
it's out December eighteenth, but I know you already have
clocked that. And today I'm hanging out with the brilliant
Philippine Laua Biolu, who plays the iconic character of Sylvie.
I tried with the name as best as I can
to master the accent. Hopefully I made Philippine somewhat proud.
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It's taling from Jersey, really tried. The world has fallen
in love with her character, Sylvine. I think the reaction
to the standout character was something that even surprised Philippine.
Now it's a spoiler free combo we touch on season
five just a little bit. Quench your thirst a little bit,
and we talk about something that happens towards the end
of season five that doesn't really spoil anything. It's just
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about a decision that a character has to make. So
I really think that you guys are going to thoroughly
enjoy this love letter to Emily in Paris and a
show that means so much to so many people. I know,
I had such a good time. So come get comfy,
escape to the worlds of Paris with me. Well, actually
I should say the world of Rome with me based
on the new season, and let's see if today we
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can get Philippine to say something that she has never
said before.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Philippine, look at you.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I am so excited to have you sitting across from
me today.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh that's sweet. Thank you so much. I'm really excited
to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh my god, I feel like you are somebody that
I've been watching for years now, and I just so
love this character you've created and how you bring her
to life. And so many people love this character. And
we're going to talk about what an icon she has become.
But I think to start off with Emily and Paris.
Many people love it right because of the fashion and
(02:08):
the restaurants and the culture and the fabulous things you
guys are all doing, and of course Paris and now
Rome in season five. But I think there's a lot
more than that in this show. There's a lot more
right that meets the eye. So for you, how would
you kind of describe what this show means to you.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's funny because lately I thought, actually a few months ago,
I thought, you know, when we're going to see the
show in like ten meet in ten years or something,
it's gonna it's going to really tell us about It's
going to be a picture of an era and of
this moment where women's liberation is up to a point
(02:51):
where now we can do it all, we can have
it all, we can. But look at the loneliness of
these women. You know, I told her last year, I
was like, do you realize that all our you know,
female characters are really like lost in a way. And
they're having a lot of fun. They're you know, they're
(03:13):
having it's a great life, but they're kind of lost.
They're like jumping and Darren's always like they don't have
to choose. They can have many boyfriends. They can, you know,
of course, but there's a moment where I feel that
Sylvie has that moment where she's like she's running after
something that is like a never ending thirst for something
(03:34):
that she doesn't even know what it is. It's so
for me, it's a sort of a picture of a
society that's always running after more and more and more
and more and more, And what's the scope, what's the
you know, I know it's it's it sounds like a tragedy. Suddenly,
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Emily in Paris is like, but you know, it's always
with Darren, you always have like you have a lot
of layers because when you watch Sex and the City
now you have like this really clear picture of where
society was at at that moment in the nineties and
now basically it's the same thing. And I think, yeah,
Emily has a lot of layers, a lot more than Mesia.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, well so to Sylvie, right, And I think that's
that's part of the magic of the show is yes,
there's so much fun and visually it is such a
gorgeous show to watch, but there's.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Real life shit behind all these.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Really totally you know, totally you know, she like Emily's
always like coping with Sylvie's bad temper short tempered, and
I always wonder, like, what does she think about at night,
you know, when she goes home and thinks, this woman
(04:51):
it's been really mean to me. But I have to
cope with that, and I have. She's always like, it's fine,
I'm fine, I'm fine. It feels like she's always playing
like it doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt, doesn't hurt. But it
does hurt. Of course it does. And and Sylvie, on
the other hand, is like torturing Emily for some reason,
(05:11):
probably because she sees herself in her. She would like
her to be better than what she There's something about
what I feel about myself. I don't feel great about myself,
and I want you to be better at that kind
of projection. So it's yeah, it's quite complicated. Their relationship
is very complicated. It's it's a sort of a love relationship. Yeah,
(05:34):
and I think the love story is there, you know,
with all its you know, really complicated issues. And yeah,
it's it's quite and I feel it's very heavy to carry.
I know that when I'm done with four months of shooting,
I'm exhausted, not only because of the long hours and
(05:55):
blah blah blah, I'm exhausted by this character that's actually
carrying a lot of contradictions, you know, desperation sometimes that
she hides behind this you know, always impeccable. I'm always
dressed up, as you know, but she's hiding something clearly,
and I have to have that in me in order
(06:16):
to make her, you know, alive, Otherwise should be just
another comedy villain, which and I kind of like to
give her that dimension that is many deeper.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Or Yeah, she's a complex woman, for sure. I appreciate
a complex woman. I grew up an Italian from New Jersey.
I grew up with a lot of ants and powerful
women in my life. And I think that's what's so
interesting about a role like this is you get to
peel the layers back and see things as the episode's
unravel that you're like, oh wait, I thought this, but
(06:49):
that might not be true. And it's just the way
you play her is so brilliant, and I imagine from
season one to now.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's been really fun to explore. So how has that been?
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But that's also because of Darren's right, Because Darren, he's
gonna always lead you somewhere and then he's going to
take a sudden turn. Okay, you thought that about your character,
you thought that's where we're going. You thought that, but no,
I'm gonna surprise you. And that was a lot of
fun because it can get kind of repetitive to play,
(07:23):
you know, a role for five seasons like okay, where
are we going? But with Darren, it's always like, I mean,
this season, there's things that happen that are so unexpected,
and so how do I work on it? I just
try to first of all, all of Darren's writing, because
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it's very clever and really, you know, get into try
to try to get into the unconscious dreams of the author.
What is he trying to what is he really trying
to say that he doesn't even know he's trying to
say when he's writing. Yeah, and that's fast. Sometimes I'm wrong.
(08:09):
Obviously it's my you know, it's my fantasy. But it's
fun because then you can like make things very paradoxical.
Then you aren't set and you're just going to play
it simple, but you have that and your body in
your head somewhere, and so it's fun because when you
need it, it kind of pops up and you just go, oh, okay,
(08:31):
that's that weird thing that I thought about yesterday, about
the scene that I could put in here or there
or and it gives me some texture to work on,
you know, and to have fun through because it's been
like we started in nineteen before the pandemic hit and everything,
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and so it's been six years in.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
A long time and you created a character that's become
a fan favorite. Did you ever expect that?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Never?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
No, But by the way, from all different generations, like
people that are millennials and gen Z and all that,
everybody loves this character.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
That's crazy, because that's the thing. I really did think
that it would like it would be my generation who
would like, you know, like her or kind of identify
with her or whatever. But I was really surprised when
I realized, like fourteen fifteen year old girls were like,
(09:29):
I don't know, is it because I don't know? Is
it because I have that kind of Sylvie? Is it
like one of those mommy Deira's kind of character? You know,
she's like she's a mother. She's a bit toxic, but
she's also nurturing, but she's also she has this complex
(09:49):
thing that's very motherly and it's you know, and it's
toxic and it's in its nurturing ways. It's very so
I think, yeah, I think we're all attracted by toxicity.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
We'll I'm back, I'm talking about toxicity here. Yeah, but
we are in no way actually yeah, yeah, I know
people people absolutely love her. Sylvie is also a gay icon.
She has become a gay icon. How much fun is
that for you? You know, the gays all love her.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I didn't realize that until like season three, Baby. I
was like, oh wow, okay, I don't know. Is it
because of the clothes or is it because it's mummy deers? Both?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Absolutely? Both absolutely both.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Like if you walked into a gay club, they would
go crazy crazy. That needs to be part of your
next press stor that would be really fun. Was there
a defining moment for you as Sylvie that's always stuck
with you?
Speaker 3 (10:52):
M a defining moment? That's funny that question is? I
think yeah. I think season one already was. Season one
was more I was getting to know her, and we
were getting to I was getting to know her, but
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I realized the relationship with Emily at that moment, the
way I was looking down at her and at the
same time putting a lot of hope into the fact
that she was probably the good person to work in
the office, but also she's too American, and that that
(11:36):
feeling of she's too American, I'm too French. That was like,
there's this scene, like the Dolour scene where that was
season one, and it became a sort of a clip
like you know, where she goes we have a meeting
with Delore and I'm like, de lur, de leur, de
l that was that was an improv you know, we
just did it, and so it's it's stuck in the
(11:57):
film and then that it's funny because it's really this
love and hate between the French and the Americans. And
I thought, Okay, I'm going to go from there because
this is like, you know, the cartoon the comic book Asthetics.
So I felt like Aesthetics, it's the little village is
(12:19):
going to resist the empire, you know. Yeah, so I
think that's that's what that's how she. I grew out
of that idea. It grew out of that feeling of
how can we Is there a way to build a
bridge between our cultures or is it just a fantasy
(12:42):
because we're actually so different even though we appreciate each other.
We're all so very different and we are so it's yeah,
it's really interesting. I think I started with that. I
really started with that idea of cultural misunderstanding.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, and well that creates so much conflict, and that
creates some of the really funny moments throughout the entire series.
Do you think up to this point, like where your
characters are right now, would you say that Sylvie feels
maternal towards Emily.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
She does. It's she does in a very awkward way.
The end of the season. She's really trying to push
her to do the best choice for her life, and
the moment she does that, it's very maternal. It's like,
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choose what is good for you, even though it's going
to cost me something. And it really happens at the
end of this season, and it's and it's very nice
that aspect of the relationship suddenly appears as it never
appeared before. So it's yeah, she's very maternal.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Actually maybe it didn't start that way in season one,
but it's cool to what we talked about earlier. It's
cool to see the progression and how things really haven't
folded and you guys have had so many moments together,
specifically your character and Lily Collins's character. Is there a
scene that you just loved doing with her?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, actually, that scene that is at the end of
season five where I tell her to choose. I loved
to do that scene. I was really moved by the
scene because because we have so much Actually, it happened
another time. It was in season three. It was the
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Eiffel Tower night and I realized that she betrayed me,
that she was going to go and work with Kate Walsh.
Kate Walsh's character Madeleine, and I was like so hurt,
And that was a first time I realized how much
Sylvie cared for Emily. I was like because I was
really hurt. I was really hurt at tears in my eyes, like, fuck,
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you betrayed me. And this time at the end of
the season she you know that scene. Is I really
love these moments of tragedy in a commentary.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, yeah, their juicy and they're so fun to watch.
There's so much fun to watch and you bring. You
have some scenes in the show that definitely have made
me choke up, and out of anyone in the cast,
there's just such a humanity you bring to a character
that sometimes you feel like is that switch all fer on?
You know, and then you surprise us and I don't know.
(15:44):
There's just these really powerful moments. I think that's also
part of the reason why you've connected with so many
generations of people, women and men, because it's like, oh
my god, I do see myself in that moment, which
is really cool, so much so that people are dying
for a prequel series about Sylvie's life. Would you ever
narrate something like that or be a part of something
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, maybe in a few years when the show is over,
if they want to do, Like, yeah, I would love to,
But now I think right now, if this you know,
the moment this this show is going to end, because
it will happen at some point. I think we all
want to do other stuff. But I would love to
go back to Sylvie at one point and do like
(16:25):
a spinoff. Yeah, it's a lot of people talked about that,
and I was like, yeah, why not, but not now?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, now we.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Need we need Sylvie and Emily's you know, we can't,
but yeah, it would be fun.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I spin off the Internet with really once. By the way,
I don't know if you've seen this is you and
Samantha Jones from Sex and the City taking.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Over the world. That would be crazy, can you imagine, Ie?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I know, I know she was so great in that character.
My god, so inspiring, I mean, so funny.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, another powerful woman. I mean, that's I think why
people connect the two of you together.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And Darren.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Sorry, you know it's no stranger to you both, so
it would be it would be interesting, for sure.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
It would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, and doctor Darren, We'll see what happens. We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
You mentioned one day the series coming to an end,
and obviously you have an incredible team of writers who
will wrap up the story when that day comes in
thirty five years hopefully. But what would you want to
see for her? What do you what do you think
her endgame is? What are your hopes for Sylvie?
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I don't know. I think she'll probably get no, I mean,
I don't know. I don't know. I have many conflicting
ideas about what she should how it should end for her,
and so I'd rather leave it to Darren. It's not
because I don't want to answer, It's really because every
time I think of something, you know, they always ask it,
what do you want to see next season for a character?
(17:53):
Blah blah blah, and you just go, I'm sure everything
I think of is much more boring than what bat
Darren is gonna, you know, think of. So he's the
master of disaster. I mean he's like, every time you
think your character is on the path to joy and
happiness and resolution or whatever, he's gonna just hit the
(18:16):
character or something. And I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So, you know, do you want her to find love?
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Philippine wants Sylvie to find love? Yes, but is that
interesting for the public. I'm not sure. Maybe it's interesting.
I love the idea that she she self destructs herself.
It's also because that's you know, that's the Yeah, the
trajectory of this character is so messy, and she's full
of paradoxes. You can't have her end like, Okay, she's
(18:51):
happy married, happily married on an island in a yacht
or whatever. You know. It's like, doesn't make sense, doesn't
make sense, has to bite the doss, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, we'll see what happens. You keep us on our
toes with her, so who knows what can happen. I'm
looking at your ear across from me, and you strike
me as somebody who has so much confidence, which is
something that I see in Sylvie. Are you a confident
person or do you fake it till you make it?
Have you learned confidence from Sylvie?
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I learned from experiencing from Sylvie both. You know. But
I'm full of doubts, full of doubts, but but also
I'm also very relaxed because I don't I don't really
care what people think of me anymore. I used to. Yeah,
(19:42):
I really don't care anymore. I know who I am
in the sense that I think, I know what my
flaws are. I know where I'm vulnerable, I know where
I'm you know, it can be desperate, and I also
know that we're all their imperfection is perfection and that
(20:02):
it's okay. And I don't care. You can you can?
You know, people judge me. I don't care anymore. It's
like this, it's new, it's a new feeling, but it's
very it's very peaceful, it's very Yeah, it's very comforting
(20:22):
because again, imperfection is perfection. You know, that's the most
important thing that we have to learn. And you know,
I don't I wouldn't want to be a perfect I
don't I wouldn't be a perfect you know person or no,
it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, it's not interesting either.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
It's not interesting and it's not who we are as
human beings. We're here to experience stuff and to learn
and to make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And yeah, at what pointed you let go of caring
about what people may or may not think of you?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Because it's not easy to do.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
No, it's not at all. I think it happened in
the last few years. I think Sylvie did help a
little bit. I was already on that path, but it
wasn't it wasn't completely and then Sylvie helped me. Yes,
thank you, Sylvia. Yeah she did, No, she did. It's
(21:27):
the first time that I play a character that's so
it can be, you know, seen as a villain. And
it's great because you get to own everything you are.
And it was like I just and it's really great.
It's really catarctic in a way.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, and so yeah, I think Sylvie helped a lot.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
That's amazing to see. I love hearing stories like that
where first of all, you come into a point of
your life where you just stop caring about what people
think because it is. It is a hard thing to achieve.
And I know a lot of women look up to
you and men and just you come off as so
powerful and strong. But even hearing someone like you say
that's a character and I had to work on it
(22:12):
and it just started happening for me in the last
few years, I think, is a good reminder that we
all are works in progress.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, totally, you know, totally. The only thing that makes
you really I don't really like the word powerful for
some reason, for the word strong. The thing that makes
you really strong is when you don't have to prove
anything anymore. You don't have to prove anything anymore. And
(22:41):
that's the moment you get it and you you know,
you think it, you think about it. All that you
think about it every day is like, Okay, I don't
have to prove I don't have to prove. That's when
you're your strength kind of grows and and you probably
(23:04):
it helps other people also, yeah, because they go, oh,
you know, I used I went to India a lot,
and in India they say, oh, you guys admire people
that are in the cover of a magazine, and we
admire the hermit who spent ten years in a cave.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Mm Oh, that's.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Powerful and that's so true.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, doesn't that sound nice?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's great, and it's also it's so important to have
that in mind all the time. Yeah, you know, because
ultimately we're all going to die, and the moment, I think,
the moment we go on the other side is probably
like you know, the Buddhist wrote about it, the Bardope
moment where you see your whole life and and you know,
(23:54):
even never religion, we talk about you the moment the passage,
because it's probably a very mysterious and incredibly strong moment,
and we know that there's a release a lot of hormones,
a lot of you know, chemicals in your brain that
make you. So that's what we're left with at the end.
(24:15):
So we'd better prepare for that moment because that's the
only It's not the cover of Vogue or anything that's
we're going to bring with us on the other side, right,
it's something else. It's something, you know, the essence of
who we are. And yeah, so I don't know, it's
(24:35):
very mystery. I don't know, I think about it. I'm
just thinking, Wow, we have to kind of think about
that sometimes. You know, never forget you're gonna die and
that moment is going to be You know, all the
people that did near death experiences came back and they
all tell the most incredible stories about that. There is
(24:56):
something there that is a It has a lot of
value that you know, the human beings should really consider
more than anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I want to see some of this spirituality in Sylvie
next season because I'm here for it. I love it
as a human.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I love conversations like this because I'm so with you
and I can talk five hours about this. It's really cool,
and it's cool you've tapped into that and you're very
safe in that space as well, because a lot of
people don't talk about that and don't want to acknowledge
the next phase of what happens one day when you're
not here. So I think that's that's really cool and
probably a reason why you're one of the many reasons
(25:46):
why you're so grounded, which isn't always easy to do
in our business, right, So I think that's that's amazing
to see.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, you have to remember that you just this as
a vessel. You're carrying something, yeah that is beyond your understanding.
And then you know, just try to honor the gift
that is here and that's all. But then just yeah,
the rest that all the petty stuff happens in life.
I mean, there's so many, especially in our business.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
You're just.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
It's you can't avoid getting caught up in these things
sometimes obviously for obvious reasons, because we live in the
material world and everything. But take a step back and
just breathe and what's important.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I'm ready for a meditation class with you coming very soon.
Oh my god, I need you on the calm app
so that you can narrate something that I can listen
to when I go to bed.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I am ready for it.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
What I want to go back for a minute, because
you mentioned one day when Emily in Paris is all,
you know, all done years from now, hopefully that you
would want to explore other things. Is there a genre
or a role or a franchise that you've been like, Oh,
that would be cool one day, you know what.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I'm open to everything for the read for the good
reason that I don't know how to answer that question,
because life has always brought me exactly the roles I
had to play in order to make progress as a
human being. So you always think I want that, but
(27:22):
then what you really need? That's two different things. And
as an actor, we have the privilege of doing a
job that gives us the opportunity to live through an
experimental ego and that will bring some truth to your
(27:46):
own experience path and you know, realization or whatever. So
what do I wanna? Anything that's going to make me
grow even more? And I don't know what it is,
but I know that always comes, you know, it always
comes when it can be anything. It could be like Marvel,
(28:10):
it can be you know, thriller, it can be anything.
It doesn't It's more about the inner experience of a character. Yeah,
and you know, it's more about, yeah, what the character
is going through. You know, even in anything like in
a comedy or an action film where.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I want to see you as a female James Bond type,
Oh my god, I love that you would rock that.
And you need to wear those zebra boots that you're wearing.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I'd love that.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
You'd be great. Thank you so good.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
So we've talked a lot about you as an actress
and you with your work, But what do you do
when you're not working?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
What recharges you, what refuels you?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
I travel. I love traveling. I've been traveling, yeah, a
lot since I was young, and I love traveling either
by my When my daughter was a baby, I would
travel with her. Then I travel with sometimes with friends.
But I kind of adore traveling by myself because I
(29:12):
love to It's easier to meet people, it's easier to
do whatever you want to do, and it's again, it's
about experiencing the place, seeing the people, understanding what they're
going through and what you know. I don't like to
like do tourism and go around. I have to see that, mommy. No,
I just sit somewhere and I just try to understand
(29:33):
what's going on here, what are what people are you know,
going through, what's their experience of life? What do you know? So?
And that fills me with joy. I love that. I
was like that ever since I was a kid. I
remember restaurant tables with my mom and dad and their friends,
and they were talking about things that obviously I wasn't
interested in. So I'd always try to listen to somebody
(29:57):
else's conversation on the next table and try to figure
out who they were, what their house was like, what
their story was like. And I would make up this
incredible story and worlds, and so I guess, yeah, interest
(30:17):
for other people's cultures and stories is what really drives me.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So we share that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I love being out to dinner or in a park
and seeing someone and I'll say to my husband, I'll
be like, that's a teacher probably teaches below fifth grade,
single lost her husband, Sally, and I'll just think of
what they and I really sometimes you nail it. No,
I have nailed it, because we've asked people not like I,
(30:45):
have you lost your husband, but like we've in like
we've been like, oh, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Teacher? I knew it. I knew it. So I'm like you.
I like that.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I think it's an interest in people, and that's also
probably why you do what you do, and a genuine
interest in people.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Which yeah, completely, which.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Is really really cool. I love that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I also love that you're somebody who's been working in
this business for decades and decades and decades. That's not easy.
I mean, you've been doing it, You've put in the work.
You are getting these roles in different parts of your
life that maybe you never thought were possible, but it's happening,
and you're showing the world that stories are so interesting,
you know, as you go through this life, and it's
(31:26):
not easy to do. And I imagine that when you
were up and coming, when you were in the business.
We all want to feel seen, right, and we all
fights feel seen. Do you feel seen at this point
in your life? And did you have to kind of
earn that or fight for that throughout your career?
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Oh? Now I feel seen. I mean, I mean, I'm
in Paris, is all over the world, so I do
feel seen. It would be kind of a hypocritical saying no,
I still need attention. No, but no, I feel seen
and as a person, as an intimately intimately, do I
feel seen? I don't care anymore. But I used to
(32:09):
care a lot. It was like, you know, I want
to exist. I want people to hear my voice. I
just say, you know. And then now I'm like, I
don't care anymore. It's more like, I love my job
because I love going on My favorite part is working
for a part and being on set. That's my favorite
(32:30):
part of all reading the script and going, oh my god,
oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I
love her. I want to do her. You Know's that
kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I don't need
to be seen.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, it goes back to what you talked about earlier, right,
It's this freedom of not caring what people's opinions are
and being in a point in your life where you
feel really good with where you are and who you are.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
And we all come to these I mean all actors
have that kind of you know, we start, we do
this job because we need to be seen. That's you know,
that's who we are. And we all have like really
terrible childhoods and blah blah blah, all these things. And
the good thing is that when you when you're able
to get over all that and forgive and then you
(33:17):
just relax, you can just be yourself, yeah, quietly and
just have fun with the with the job.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
And you and forgiveness That is key, right for not
just the other person, for you, I mean there's I
believe forgiveness has so many health benefits too. So at
the very least, if you're like I don't want to
forgive someone, like, realize it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It causes less stress and.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's eating the other person's horrible. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You nailed it with that, And I love that reminder,
which is so so important so I literally want to
have a twenty hour spiritual conversation with you. I wish
we had wine, I wish I'm like, now I'm missed
opportunity next time?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes, absolutely, oh, yes, yes, yes yes. As we wrap
this conversation up the name of the shows. I've never
said this before, and it was born because I work
a lot of red carpets and junkets, and I sit
with people for two minutes or three minutes if you're lucky,
and it's such quick conversation, and usually every outlet wants
the same bite, and you're answering the same question, and
(34:18):
it's not interesting for you, it's not interesting for us.
So I said, I'm going to create a show where
I can bring people on and we can talk and
actually have a real conversation and give them a moment
at the end to say something that's either on their
mind or that they've never had a chance to say,
or whatever that question means to you. That is up
to my guests. So I'm wondering if there is anything
today you've never said before.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, there's something I think we should never forget that
it's not only about loving ourselves, it's about being able
to love other people. And that's It's like, loving yourself
is probably the path to being open to to have
(35:02):
the courage to love other people. The courage and the
heart are the same thing. There's this in remember in
Peter in Sorry Robin Hood, there's Richard heart of Lion
that comes back from the war. So that's it's love, right,
(35:22):
Let's be brave, let's love m that's all we can
do with our lives.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That is the most beautiful note to end this conversation.
I'm not kidding you. You call your agent and say
I need to do a meditation app or a book
or something, because you have a lot to give in
that space.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And I like.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
The things you have to say about it because they're
based off lived experiences and travel as you mentioned, and
your life. And I think that in this day and
age where there's so much noise and everything's coming at
us from a million different directions, things like that are
really valuable.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
So it's hard the noise that we Yeah, yeah, it's
hard because we need meaning.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, well, you create good noise for all of us
with your show and your work, and we are so
excited for season five.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
We look forward to many more Stories from.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
You was great.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Oh my god, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yet I couldn't love you more. Andrew Zebra Boots. I'm obsessed.
So we will see you on season five of Emily
in Paris.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dederio.
This podcast is executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio
and by Me Tommy, with editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've
Never Said This Before is part of the Elvis Duran
podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
For more, rate review.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
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