Philly Plane Crash, Ellen Greenberg Update, Hyperbaric Chamber Explosion, Drone DUI, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Let's get started with
the story of the day.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
So another plane crash, but this time twenty minutes from
our house, which is our houses, which is so insane
to think about.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
The news has been crazy for the past couple weeks,
Like I can't, as Nancy would say, I feel like
I'm drinking from the fire hydrant, Like it's just coming
so fast all the time.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
There.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I feel like we just talked to everyone on Thursday
about the other plane crash, and now it's like we're
here right.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well. Yeah, And I was thinking, you know, I keep
seeing I kept seeing memes last week that was like,
I can't believe it's till January, And I'm like, you know,
this month is going by extra long compared to normal.
And then to think about how we started the year with,
you know, the incident in New Orleans and in Vegas,
and now we're ending the month quite literally with a

(01:12):
bang in the Philadelphia area. It's super scary.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
You.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I was driving to Boston and you texted me and
just said another plane crash. I didn't even know it
was near us because I just left my house and
it turns out it was in Northeast Philadelphia just after
six pm. This ambulance jet carrying six people, within under
a minute after they took off from the Northeast Airport
crashed into the neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, it's so terrifying that the videos and the photos
are just you can't believe something like that would happen
in your neighborhood. And now I can't help but think
about it, like planes fly over our house all day
all the time. Are the airport's right there, and you
just don't even think that there's these literal like bombs

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flying over your house at any moment could fall and
just destroy your neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
You know, Well, you know, I don't think everybody obviously
knew what happened at first, and I think that's what
a lot of people thought, that it was a bum
And when you see videos of this going down, it
literally looks like a missile is dropping from the sky
and this mushroom as cloud goes up. What would you
even think if you saw something like that?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I don't know. I feel terrible for anyone that had
to experience that, And I've obviously we're from this area.
I've been up that way a million times. It's just crazy.
I know the area so well, so it's easier for
me to picture in my head what that would have
been like. And just thankfully because it was rush hour
on a Friday night, and I just think, by like

(02:41):
the grace of God, that a traffic light had changed
and there was that gap in between or something, because
there just wasn't that many cars that you would see
to be expected in Philadelphia rush hour traffic. Thank God,
it doesn't. I mean, people got hurt, but it wasn't
as bad as it could have been.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
No, totally. And I was thinking of everybody driving on
the street because the explosion was huge. I mean you
could see it from all different areas of that of
the city and I would just see.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
The hole in the ground. Yeah, there's like an eight
foot crater in the ground. It's so outrageous. I want
to go see it, actually, but they probably won't let
us anywhere near there.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
No, I doubt the Press Pass. Actually. I think they
just opened traffic up around that area really yesterday again.
But we should try to go on a field trip
tomorrow and see if they'll let us near it because
I am interested in seeing it. And the first thing
I think when I see all these dash cam videos
is what would you possibly think if you were in traffic?

(03:40):
I mean, I told you Ricky had been driving home
around that area only an hour before that, So I
was like, what would you have thought if you just
saw an explosion like a couple miles ahead of you
on this major road? And he was like, I would
have assumed it was a bomb or something. I don't
even know what I would have done or turned around
because people go into shock.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I know you could see by the video that people
I mean, obviously it's just if you guys haven't seen
any of the videos. I did put some clips up
in the gross room. And then of course the aftermath
was terrible. There was videos going around of a person
that was on fire, which is just just awful. We
know one person on the ground died so far, and

(04:23):
there's a woman missing. You know that, right?

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh I don't think I saw there was a missing.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, someone said that her sister's missing and she was
at her boyfriends who lives around there, and he said
he she had left around the time to go get
something to eat.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Oh my God, but like.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
And honestly, like that impact is so heavy and deep,
like there is a possibility that someone was standing near
there when that happened. But as of right now, and
the mayor does keep saying that like this, the injury
toll might go up, the death toll might go up,
we just don't know right now everything. So I mean,

(04:59):
what be the chances that she was just missing a
forty some year old person, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, it is extremely odd. Right now we know all
six people that were on the plane died. Not that
that's not sad by itself, but this has an extra
layer to it, which it was this little girl getting
this treatment for a life threatening illness that she had.
So I'm assuming she was going to.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Chop right, because she was going to Shriners.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, she was going to Shriners. So she was getting
this treatment and she was there for at least a month.
I mean there, she was a very sick kid.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
And it's just think about how terrible it is as
a parent to have a sick kid that's that sick,
that has to go on an airplane to go get
treatment in another country, and then for this to happen.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah, so on that plane was the little girl, her mother,
a doctor, a paramedic, and the two pilots. They were
going back to Mexico. It's really really upsetting that she
possibly got this treatment that maybe saved her life or
at least gave her a little bit of, you know,
calm in the craziness that she was going through with
her illness, and then to have this tragedy happen. They're

(06:08):
also saying right now that this thirty three year old
woman is in a medically induced coma because she had
seventy percent of her body burned.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
We also know that the worst thing ever. I just
feel so terrible for that woman.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, and then there's the child. This ten year old
little hero tried to save his sister from the falling debris.
He got impaled in the head, but it seems like
he's doing okay right now. And then the mayor had
said two other people are in critical condition in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
So there was another video going around of a guy
sitting in the diner and it flew through the window
and it knocked his baseball hat off. It did hit
him in the head too, so I know that he
was hospitalized with some kind of head trauma, but it
didn't look like if it did hit his head, it
looked like it was very superficial hopefully. But I mean

(06:56):
something flying like that, shrapnel flying from a plane accident
like that could be equivalent to getting shot. You know,
it's just fast and a piece of metal flying like
that at you could cause lacerations or just the impact
of it, because it could have caused them a brain injury,
you know what I mean. So how freaking crazy And

(07:17):
it's all on video. I mean, so many people are outside.
It's a Friday night in the city, you know.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, And you know, even worse is like all these
people are injured. There's parts of the neighborhood that are
destroyed from the debris and the explosion, and we have
to talk about the psychological trauma people are going to
be facing. Because I don't know if most people have
seen this, but a lot of our listeners were sending
this our way, which there was body parts just all

(07:43):
over the street in people's houses. There was a full
blown person on a roof.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
I don't I know, it's just one of the of
the body parts in a person's house is so disturbing.
And this spot woman was getting interviewed and saying that
she thought that she she you know, she smelled smoke
or something, and then she was like, there was a
piece of a plane in my house. Like how outrageous
is that?

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, And there was the most disturbing picture for me
was there was parts of a human that seemingly went
through somebody's ceiling into their bedroom. So imagine going into
your bedroom and there's a deceased person that was part
of an explosion that just came out of the sky.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, it's just and I can't help but think because
we just had the plane accident in DC last week,
which had multiple fatalities, so many more than this one,
and thinking like, thank god that fell over the water,
because if that fell over the city right there, there's
there's Alexandria right there, or there's Washington, DC. Like, if

(08:48):
that plane crash happened over the city, that would have
been catastrophic as well. Imagine a plane of that size
with you know what I mean, with that many people,
All of the people on board would have done as
well as people on the ground would have gotten injured too.
So it's at least it's lucky that it fell into
the water in that case.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, it is really lucky. And then speaking of that case,
there's you know, they're still doing an investigation, and with
the Philly crash they don't. They're not going to know
what happened for a while because you know, this just happened.
It takes some time.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I know.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
In the DC case, they did recover the black box,
so I think that'll have a lot of telling information
about it.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
They just did in last night in Philly too, they
found a hole, so yeah, they were able to Yeah,
like they'll be able to figure it out. I mean,
even if they could figure it out. At this point,
who cares it happened, right, It's not like you're going
to change anything.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, but I guess they want to see if, like
you know, if it was human error or if the
plane had an error, that maybe they need to look
at the other models and adjust. That's why they have
to look into it.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I know. I'm just saying though, It's just like.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
But with the d gosh, they have a temporary morgue
setup also because of so many bodies, which is crazy
to think about. I'm assuming the people in the Philly
case went to the me right, so yeah, they would
in that case, since it wasn't that many people. And
that's what I was going to tell you, the difference
between putting like a makeshift more. I mean, six or

(10:19):
seven people. Isn't that many people for a Philadelphia Medical
Examiner's office, especially because honestly, six of those people with
the exception of the guy or whatever body was on
the roof there that they were in pieces and going
in a body bag like they're not even you know,

(10:40):
they're going to have to separate them and figure out what.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Belongs to who. But there's not even intact people. The
person on the ground too, I don't know who died
on the ground and what the circumstances were there. The
DC one's a little bit different because there are what
is there. There's sixty seven from the one plane, and
then there was four from the helicopter.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Right now, sixty four from the plane, three from the helicopter.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Okay, so sixty seven all together. But that's a lot
of bodies. So they set up a makeshift more right
outside of the site. They do that like they did
that for nine to eleven and stuff like that. When
there's a mess casualty event, and they'll go through all
of the bodies because in the DC case, for example,
and I don't know this because obviously I'm not working

(11:25):
on that case, but you could see the fuselages in
the water and it's intact, which makes me think that
those bodies are are intact. There were some of them
that were intact, but then you had an explosion area
like similar to what just happened in the one in
Philly that you might see parts, do you understand? Like,

(11:46):
it just depends where the people were sitting. So they're
going to set out beds and try to lay out
each one and determine what you know, keep the ones intact,
put the pieces together and try to identify every single
one and the remains back to their families and stuff.
But it's just going to take time because it's a
lot of work, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, I also just saw this morning that two of
the airport. Two airport workers got fired for releasing videos
of the crash to news outlets.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah. Why, I don't know, Like, do do you think
something's wrong with that? Like I think the public should
be able to see it. I think the public should
be able to see it. But they're not only fired,
they've been arrested with computer trustpassing, so I don't know
if they signed something when they work there, that's like
everything you see is confidential, and but people don't care

(12:36):
about that stuff when things like this happen. They're just
worried about getting it out. Yeah, I wonder why since
there was already a couple of videos out, like why
they want if there was a specific reason they thought
that people should see it. Because it is a different
angle and it does it looks It just looks crazy.
You just watch it, and obviously I don't fly helicopters,

(12:58):
so I don't know how those things work. But you
just look at it and think, pretend you're driving a
car right like you're looking out the front windshield and
you would see something huge in front of you that
that's just all.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Well. I was reading yesterday that you know, they're starting
to look into this now because of staffing issues, and
there was the potential that one person was doing two
people's jobs. But I think they're still trying to confirm
that component of it. But another thing is they were
saying that a lot of planes were landing around the
same time, and when the air traffic control got in

(13:32):
touch with the helicopter and asked if they had eyes
on that specific aircraft and they said yes, that there's
theories that they may have been looking at another plane
because so many were landing at the same time. And yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
There's no sense of us even It's funny because it's
like ever since COVID, everyone has opinions on the Internet,
and there's all these funny things like, oh, I didn't
know everyone was a doctor. It's like I didn't know
everyone was an airline pilot. Like it's just the speculation
is stupid. I just look at it from a perspective

(14:08):
of a person that drives a car, and I know
it's completely different, but at the same time, it's like
the theory is is that you take it from one
place to another and you don't crash into things on
the way, right. Yeah, So okay, so we're all about
light on celebrity news this week. I don't think. I mean,
a couple stupid things happen that aren't even worth talking

(14:28):
about in my opinion. But since we're talking about celebrities,
would you think about Kanye West's wife. I don't know
why that's always in quotes his wife's outfit at the
Grammys last night.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Well, I was honestly surprised to see a red carpet
photo of them, And of course she walks up in
this fur coat, takes it off, and she's just wearing
a dress that's completely see through, so you could see
all of her breasts and her vagina and everything. So
I'm not really surprised that happened. It was more surprised
that they were on the carpet. But then later I

(15:01):
found out that they just showed up uninvited, and I
guess when they got to the door to get into
the event, they were like, yeah, no, you're leaving.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
No, I don't think that that's I don't know. I
heard today that they were invited and he was nominated
for something even so that was just kind of a
rumor that was going around. But they did escort them
off the property and make them leave afterwards, I guess
for I mean, really, I don't know if there was
a camera or something that a live camera. I mean,

(15:32):
do they do live from the red carpet? Still? Yeah, okay,
so was that on? I mean, listen, any person that's
filming him should know, especially how she's been dressing for
the past couple of years should know what to expect.
She's wearing a huge fur coat, Like, what did you
think was going to happen?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I did not see them on the E red carpet
I was watching, but also I turned it on a
little late. But I think at the time in which
they arrived it would have been on there. I don't
think E would have shown it because I know their
feed is delayed because oftentimes when I'm watching award shows,
I'm looking at Vogue or Vanity Fair and seeing the
live uploads of the pictures, and by the time they're

(16:12):
on E, it's like twenty minutes later sometimes, So I
don't think it was coming up on quote live television,
or if they did have footage of it, they chose
not to err it because of what it was. But
I don't even I don't even think I could be
wrong that E posted that. Look. I think it was

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more like.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Oh, I saw a couple magazines were like not but
there's like.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
A kid there. Yeah, I mean it's apropriate.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's just whatever. It's it's just so ridiculous. It's just
I think it's so corny.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
On a petty note, I'm just gonna say, the Grammys
are consistently the worst dressed award show all the time.
I I rarely am like, wow, somebody looks really good.
I of all the looks, the only one I could
remember is Sabrina Carpenter, and because I like her vintagesthetic.
But other than that, it's like, what was Will Smith's

(17:11):
son doing with that weird house on his head? I
just I can't get over it. I thought, Lady, God.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
My whole night consists of me getting screenshots of all
of these things.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and you don't care either, Like I'm texting you literally.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Don't care the whole, the whole entire thing. I was
just hearing something today about how like back in the day,
like the Beatles got under five Grammys, Like the Beatles
or Rolling Stones are just these crazy just popular music bands.
And Beyonce's had like thirty three or something. It's just

(17:45):
like the whole thing of it just seems like it's
not even it's not even authentic, like this is the
best and this is like I love Beyonce. I'm not
talking shit on her, but this particular album I think
most people would agree is not her finest work. So
it's just like what is what's the category for to

(18:07):
just pay someone off, because then the whole thing is
just fake.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Well, I want to just say too, is that I
think that a lot of people, and this happens with
the Oscars too, that they expect the most popular movie
to win. But because the Academy members are voting, I
think they're voting for the artistic integrity of the works,
not necessarily what's the most popular. And if you want
to look at Cowboy Carter, I think it's an achievement

(18:32):
in itself because she shifted genres and artistically it was
very well done and composed and put together. But I
think everybody can agree it was definitely not the most
popular one per se. But if the Academy members are
voting on it based on the artistic level of it,
the production value of it, I can see why that won.
But I think a lot of people have a lot

(18:53):
of things to say.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I can see why it won because people get paid
off to you buy your spot. It's just like those
signs that say, like this restaurant got best to South
Jersey twenty twenty one. It's like that all that shit
is just like paid off stuff. You know, it's the
same I mean.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I think it's hard to ignore that jay Z just
complained that she's won the most Grammys ever and never
won that particular award, and then this year for an
album that wasn't necessarily.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, and then they had like were Taylor Swift presenting?
Come on, all right, listen, Like I can't anymore with
this whole shit. All right, let's talk about freak accidents.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Okay, last week in Michigan, this five year old boy
was receiving treatment in a hyperbaric chamber and suddenly it exploded,
killing him instantly.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
So I guess they were at so normally a height.
Do you know what that is?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I know we've talked about it before, but can you
just refresh my memory because I don't really understand one
hundred percent what it is.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
So sometimes when you have let's say, for example, because
it's it's commonly used for this, if you have a
wound that doesn't heal, and you want to make sure
that the patient has as much oxygen exposure as possible
because that'll help the wound heal. So you put them
inside of this chamber and it has compressed like pressurized air,
along with a higher percentage of oxygen that's in the

(20:15):
environment and it helps accelerate healing in a wound, for example,
And that's the FDA approved reason to use this. Right,
some this clinic that this little kid was at was
using this for other reasons that are not FDA approved.
People use them for everything, add autism, migraines, depression, there's

(20:39):
just like all these random things that people use them
for off label, and generally they're safe because it's oxygen.
I mean, just breathing it in is not dangerous. Right,
So they didn't say why this five year old child
was in there, but something happened to cause it to explode.

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They came in, the fire department came in and said
that the kid was dead when they got there, which means,
I mean, think about an explosion, how awful that is.
And the mother was right next.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
To the kid.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
She got injured, but I mean think about what she saw.
I just can't even imagine it. And it's just it.
It's they didn't say why he was there. I don't
know if it was a life saving thing or I
don't know if it was one of these off label
just like, let's try this because your kid's misbehaving. Thing.
But how frickin' terrible.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
I think it's I think it's really horrible. I think
the company's really stressing that this is a really rare event.
Obviously they need to do an investigation and see exactly
what sparked it, Like was this machine defective or was
there some weird element in the room that made it combust.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
So it's this air that's compressed, is just it's very,
very combustible. So I don't know if someone lit a flame.
I don't see why someone would light a flame within
the building, but there's just other things that could have
sparked it. But I don't know. Just it's just so
sad to think that is sad. I know, the companies

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just I don't know. Just think about from the mom's perspective.
You don't want to say like, oh, this has never happened.
That just doesn't help, you know.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
It certainly doesn't help because it did happen that one
time and it was fatal. So I think they're putting
that out so people aren't scared to continue getting the treatment,
But it doesn't make it better for this particular fan.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Crazy because I've never had it done, so I don't know.
Maybe you guys that have had something like this sun
might be able to speak to it. But do you
think that the common person that just goes and does
this is aware that that's even a possibility. No, yeah,
I mean that's what I'm thinking. Like, do they make
you sign a waiver and say like, hey, this might happen.
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, I guess we'll see if I'm assuming a lawsuit's
gonna come out of this in some yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
And I'm curious because it is being used off label
too at that place, because I think that place does
all off label, I'm pretty sure. So I don't I
don't know. I mean they're allowed to, not that they're
doing something they're not allowed.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
To, but but it's just not curious. It's just not
approved treatment. But you know, as.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Usual, we don't ever get a follow up on any case.
If we ever do, we always tell you, guys, but
we never do. You never hear anything again on certain things,
or do.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
We get updates that you're purely conspiratorial and you're just like,
I can't go on a show and just say this
because there's somebody on red and said it. So I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
We got the worst, the worst conspiracies we were getting
was the girl that died in the oven at Walmart. Yeah,
just like the most insane things. And I was like,
I'm not even saying that out loud, because there's no
way that that's true. Just yeah, I can't even believe
people would spread the rumor because it just sounds so.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Outrageous until an official news outlet writes it up as
fact or there's a lawsuit, and then that's even skeptical.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, it is skeptical, but at least it's a little
bit more than right, it, I suppose. Okay, so God,
this next one is, well, I'm wondering.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
How you feel because I know you've done this a
couple of times, and by version, I have a story.
I have a story about this actually all right. Back
in twenty twenty two, this woman who is twenty years
old through a party for her child, and at the party,
people were, you know, taking the sucking helium out of
balloons to make their voices really squeaky and high pitch.
I'm sure a lot of people do this. I think

(24:34):
pretty much everybody in our life has done this at
some party at some point in time. But they convinced
this mother to do it, and when she did it,
somebody turned up the flow on the canister with the
helium and it immediately hit her in the back of
the throat, according to her twin sister, and then she
collapsed immediately.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So I want so this is my story. A couple
years ago, I was across the street with the neighbors
with the kids and everything, and there was balloon at
the house for whatever reason, and we started doing that
to show the kids, like, hey, your voice, kids sound funny.
So then the kids were like, can we do it?
And then I thought to myself, you know what.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
This is.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
This is probably really bad, just thinking I don't really
have any experience with a person that died from this,
like this particular case, but just from what I know
from every carbon monoxide whatever. Let me just look this up, right,
And my neighbor's a nurse, and we're just kind of like, eh, whatever,
and we both look it up and we're like, oh

(25:36):
my god, just we would never let our kids do that.
We freaked out. We're like, we're never doing that again.
We're so sorry. This was this is terrible. We didn't
think of this and stuff, and yeah, so it's it's
the same as kind of same as having carbon monoxide
exposure or huffing injuries. It just replaces the oxygen on
your blood cells and you can die from asphyxia. And

(25:57):
that's what happened in this case. So they say about
putting warning labels and stuff, but people don't typically have
warning labels on the balloons and things like that. Now
we're talking about a totally different situation here, though. You
can probably in theory, die from just breathing it in
from a balloon, but this woman went directly up to

(26:19):
the tank and sucked it out of the tank. And
the air pressure because if you ever see a container
like that, it says that it's under pressure, because it
is because it could explode, just like the hyperbaric oxygen
chamber we just talked about, right, So it's under so
much pressure that just that stream of air going into
your lungs could cause lung damage and then the amount

(26:41):
of it going in could cause you to die. And
that's what happened with her. Like you should absolutely never
ever ever put your mouth off to something like that
and try to suck it in.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Well, So then they brought the canister to the coroner
who said there was a warning label on it, but
that was in really small print. So I guess now,
since it's been a years since this happened, the family's
saying that she was not aware of the dangers of it,
and they're trying to call for really large, obnoxious warning

(27:09):
labels to be on these canisters so people are fully
aware of what this was any other country, right, this
was in New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, so I think I'm pretty sure in America there's
pretty big tags if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, I'm thinking about it. And I feel like there
are pretty big stickers on the tanks themselves, but how
many people Because it has the MSCs triangle on it
that says all the hazards with everything, I feel like
it's pretty big, well here, but not there, so I
guess over there they're trying to get it changed.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah. And I mean, this is just such a such
a stupid death, you know what I mean, Like it's sad,
she was a mom. Just it's just it didn't need
to happen. But you could see, I mean, like listen,
like it just happened with us, but with me and
my neighbor, and we're both educated in medical stuff, and
it's just like you don't don't really think about it.
But then it's like essentially, okay, well you shouldn't be

(28:04):
doing whippets and things like. It's kind of on the
same lines of like the huffing.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
You know, Well, I just think unfortunately, things like this
need to happen so people are aware of it. Yeah,
I mean not that they should happen to make people aware,
but people don't realize until something really bad happen now
and then they stop doing it. This next case about
this forty eight year old guy. He went to the
emergency room with abdominal pain, which he said started about

(28:29):
a couple hours after he was mowing his lawn. So
at first he didn't know if he like got hit
by something or was stung by a bee or something
like that. Couldn't really explain what the pain was. So
he starts getting tests at the hospital and what did
they end up seeing?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
So they did when he was looking at his abdomen
because he was having his pain and his abdomen and
he was looking and he didn't see anything. So he
was just like, I don't know what's happening right now.
He goes to the hospital, they do an examine. They
don't see anything on his abdomen, but he's kind of
freaking out so bad that he's in pain that they say, okay,
let's do a set scan and let's also do an ultrasound.

(29:07):
And when they went to do the ultrasound, he was
in so much pain. They were having a hard time
just pushing the doppler on his belly because his belly
hurt so bad. So they did the CT scan and
they saw that he had this seven centimeter piece of
metal that was pierced into his abdomen. And here they
think that it flew. It was like again a shrapnel

(29:28):
injury from the lawnmower that went right through his skin.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, so it was a rusty nail. Do you think
it was just like laying in the grass and then yeah,
it just shy up.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I have a case in the gross room of one
of our members actually sent it to us. Her husband
was mowing the grass and ran over one of those
little flagpoles, you know, the little the one that has
my little Philly's flag on it. Yeah, like something like
that small and when he ran it over, the thing broke,

(29:58):
the blade broke the metal off and it flew into
his leg and went into the bone of his leg.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, like because it's just it's it's a shrapnel injury,
you know what I mean. So when they looked at
the guy's abdomen again, they saw that he had this
area of a little tiny area of inflammation right corresponding
to where that went through that they couldn't even see.
They actually put a picture of his abdomen basically saying,
do you see anything here because if we examine, if

(30:27):
you examined him right now, would you think that he
got pierced with something. No, it's just it's because it
was so thin and it goes it's hot, and it
goes through so fast that it just pierced right through
like a little dot.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
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This week we did an amazing case that is the
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have heard of the woman that's on trial for this case.
Her name is Karen Reid. Well she's on a break

(31:13):
right now, right because there was a hung jewelry. Well,
there is a mistrial, so she's awaiting another trial. Yes,
so she But we're talking all about the case and
it's super controversial. It's one of these ones that's on
the internet that's just making people go completely crazy. So
you're either on the team that she did it or
on the team that she didn't do it. But regardless,

(31:34):
we're going to break down the entire case in the
gross Room. This week, we went through all of the
circumstances and everything leading up to it, and next week
we're going to display the autopsy findings, which is going
to be super interesting and I will give my opinion
on it because I have a pretty strong opinion on
it and it's something I don't think that they brought
up in court.

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All right, So we've talked about this case on here
before and many times in the grocer room, but we
have updates about the Ellen Greenberg case. But as a
quick reminder. She was the teacher in Philadelphia. She was

(32:13):
twenty seven years old when she was found stabbed twenty
times in her apartment during a snowstorm. Initially, because of
the amount of stab wounds, the Philly and Me had
determined that she died as a homicide, but then after
some police pushback, he changed it to a suicide. And
her family has been fighting this since twenty eleven. So

(32:33):
what is the current update on the situation.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Well, it's a really good update, actually, and it shows
that you should really fight for things if you believe
them not to be true. Because her parents have been
fighting all this time, and now they've been saying, can
you just change the death certificate to not say suicide
and to say even if for it to say undetermined

(32:56):
because they just didn't believe that her daughter killed herself off,
just with all of the evidence present, and they wouldn't
do it. And then finally the medical examiner that did
the case said that this is exactly what he said.
It is my professional opinion. Ellen's manner of death should
be designated as something other than suicide, so that only

(33:20):
leaves so there's only five manners of death, so it
definitely wasn't natural. It definitely wasn't an accident. So all
you have left is suicide, homicide or undetermined. Undetermined would
be worst case scenario because then they're going to say,
we don't know if she killed herself or we don't
know if someone killed her, and that would be the

(33:42):
worst case scenario in terrible because if someone killed her,
they should be prosecuted for it.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
You know, do you think the timing is suspicious considering
a judge just decided that the emmy and the lead
detective would have to testify at trial, and now that
the city has decided to settle and reopen the investigation.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I I just read an article, and I don't know
if I'm reading it incorrectly, but it seems like the
family sued the city and then right before this lawsuit
went forward, doctor Osborne, who's the medical examiner that did
the autopsy, was like, you know what, I'll change it.
And I'm thinking, well, that's weird. Right before you were
supposed to get sued, you'll change it. And then that's

(34:25):
what I'm saying, Yeah, I do. I think that that's
why they decided to do it. But in all honesty,
like he should have changed it years ago. So he's
saying now that there's all this new evidence to life,
which which i've been there's been. I don't. I don't
one hundred percent agree with it either, though, because he's
saying that he initially, especially from the medical examiner's point

(34:50):
of view, if he did the autopsy and just looking
at the body not knowing anything, because that's what originally happened,
he just was like this, someone killed this girl. Then
that's the end of the story. It doesn't matter if
someone didn't break in or whatever like that to me
doesn't matter. I know, circumstantial evidence matters, but like for

(35:13):
you doing the death certificate, you should think that that's
how that person died. Then that's how that person died.
And then you let someone come in and put some
ideas in your head and then you changed it your
story to fit that scenario, and it's just two completely
different things, you know. So I'm not I don't. I
think this whole case is a giant shit show to

(35:34):
begin with. It just has always been a shit show.
I'm glad that it's getting re examined. Finally, the problem
is is that her body's gone. They do still have evidence,
they have pieces parts everything in jars at the medical
Examinar's office, microscopic slides, reports, photographs that they could look at.
But now there's always going to be some kind of

(35:57):
a question when there really shouldn't have ever been a question.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, I just think it's I'm, you know, putting on
my tinfoil hat because I think if he went on
the stand, or maybe the detective did that, maybe the
city feared larger issues being exposed at hand.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And I think, of course, and there they're already under
scrutiny anyway because of these these issues over there, you
know what I mean. So they should, they should pay
the family off, but they also should just reopen it.
And I mean this, there's there's been proof now that
they're saying that she has injuries that occurred when she

(36:36):
was either dead or not able to do them because
it's severed a part of her spinal cord like end
of story.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Well, I also think and I saw a lot of
similarities in this when we were covering Karen Reid case yesterday.
Was they start the investigation thinking it's one way, and
then they only look at it that way instead of
going into it totally neutral, and then figuring out what happened.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, well it's yeah, it's preconceived ideas and then you
could you could make it. It's just when you do
an autopsy, if you're really sticking to the science of
it and stuff, you shouldn't be able, Like you shouldn't
be able to take one autopsy and be like, how
could I spin this to make it look like a suicide?
Or how could I spin this to make it look
like a homicide? You know it's and that's what they

(37:25):
kind of tried to do. And and the guy listen, like,
if I was this guy and did what year was
the autopsy?

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Eleven, twenty eleven?

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, like, I wouldn't want to even be talking about
this anymore. And it probably weighs heavily on him all
the time because you see these parents distraught, and like.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
How do you even remember something that you worked on
when they've worked on hundreds of cases fourteen years later.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Oh, he remembers this one. I'll tell you that he
and shit for you. Yeah, I'll tell you that. They
don't even want to hear her name over there because
it's it's but they're they're also like standing to their
ground and stuff, and listen, like I see their perspective
of it. From to a certain extent, she had a
history of being on psychological medications and she was having

(38:10):
some depression and anxiety issues and things like that. I
get I get that, but like the wounds, just it
just was very, very unusual. And another unusual thing is
recently with I think that's when we talked about her
just a few weeks ago, saying that her ex fiance
has come out for the first time since this has happened.

(38:32):
He's since remarried and has children. Well, guess what, he's
the suspect if they decide to change it to homicide.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, and he has never been suspected of foul play,
which I think is kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
It's fit. I I just I just think he's saying.
I just think that the way and listen, this is
always the thing you say, like, you don't know how
you're going to react when someone when this situation we're
just talking about it with the plane, what happens if
there's a bomb in front of you, whatever, you don't
know how you're gonna react. But just if you listen
to the nine one one call, it just sounds like

(39:06):
staged almost He's like, there's he didn't see that she
had a fucking knife sticking out of her chest. They
were like, do CPR on her? Okay, first of all,
why wouldn't that even be your first thought? Like, just
you don't know how. I don't really know how to
do it. I learned it when I was nineteen years
old in college. I'm just saying like, I would try
I would try anything to save my loved one that

(39:27):
I thought was in distress, no matter what. And the
ladies on the phone walking them through it, like it's okay,
if you touch her, you could touch her, just do
it on her chest. Oh there's a knife sticking out
of her chest. Oh my god, she must have killed herself.
Book says that, well, yeah, it's hood. Thanks, Like if
you if you find your loved one dead, why would

(39:48):
with a knife in their chest? Why would you ever
think that it's just And listen, people do kill themselves
with a knife, a knife, five cases in the grocer
room of it. But it's super super rare, especially in
a woman. It's just so so rare.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
I I just think, like Karen, read the detail. When
you really get into the details of this case, you
could really argue it either way. Oh yeah, And because
of their sloppy that's why you can't say definitively well
exactly exactly. That's the problem because they treated this as

(40:20):
a suicide from the time the police and the Medical
Examiner's office showed up that they didn't treat it as
a crime scene at all. And it's the same with
the Karen Reid case. They didn't treat it as a
crime scene. And that's when people lose all your trust.
They just don't, you know. And then there was that
shady shit with his uncle going the next day and
taken her computer and stuff because it wasn't labeled a

(40:42):
crime scene, so he was allowed back in to get
the belongings. And you're just like, why did his uncle
take her computers?

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Why? It's weird to me. I'm sorry, it's just fucking weird.
And he was like a lawyer, and they're like, well,
there's something shady there.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
I don't think it's unusual. I was watching this twenty
twenty about Karen Reid last night and Matt Murphy was
actually in it, and he said, because a lot of
people were really critical of her for immediately getting a lawyer,
but he said in that special that that's pretty common
if you were associated with a death like this, even
if you were one hundred percent innocent, you should just
get legal counsel because it's smart. But the fact that

(41:20):
he got a lawyer and they're like taking the belongings
and try to get rid of stuff that is weird,
but trying to get rid of what stuff or taking
the computer we know she had for that suspicious Yeah,
for Ellen Greenberg. Sorry, so we know she had suspicious searches.
We know she was on and off of some psychiatric medications.
I don't know if he's going to try to play

(41:41):
that as he was trying to protect her because it's
something not a lot of people knew, or what the
hell was going on. I don't want to say either way.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
What happened is your text messages between them that he
just seemed very douchey.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah, but that doesn't make somebody a killer.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I understand that, But that might be why she was
on anxiety met I'm just you know what I mean, Like,
you can't say that either, you just I can't because
I've been in a relationship with someone that sucked before
and it gave me anxiety. So I could speak from
personal experience sometimes like you could just you could just
think about things like that, Like it's not wrong to

(42:17):
just assume that, right. I'm not saying it as fact.
I'm just saying, like, hey, I was I was once
in a in not in a great relationship and had
anxiety and wanted to be on meds to make it
go away.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Like, if he really didn't have anything to do with this,
I feel bad because it's been going on for a while.
If he did have something to do with it, I
guess we're gonna see how that plays out because the investigation.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
How outrageous would it be if he had something to
do with it and he thought he was like in
the clear and then that's when he decided to get
married and I have kids and stuff, and now he
might be going on trial for that because who else
would go on.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Trial for it? Well, generally speaking, I just want to say,
if you have committed a crime, it's really ignorant to
think that you're beyond it. With technology, DNA everything like
that going on today, I don't think there's ever a
point where you should be like, cool, I'm in the clear.
Because we see these things.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's a tough taste case right now too. I mean,
I feel terrible for the Emmy's office to have to
re examine this. It's because if whatever they say, if
they say, okay, we determine that this is a homicide,
then they're going to have to you then have to
find somebody that did it. And it's it's like what

(43:38):
if they are wrong? You know, that's the thing, and
and you do, like I said, people do kill themselves
with knives sometimes. But the whole thing is is the
injuries that were made by the knife are are what's
in question. And when they say that they're looking at
these specific injuries and saying, you know, because one doctor

(43:59):
said that that they looked at it and it did
not incapacitate her. But then that particular doctor that looked
at it said that she never looked at it. She
said she has no receipts of doing a consultation for
that case. But I do believe that he possibly brought
it over to her to look at and just was like, hey,
look at this. You know what I mean, because we

(44:20):
do that all the time in pathologies, like totally like
off the books, just like what do you think about this?
But like if that was the determining thing. And doctor Rourke,
who's who's an excellent, like world renowned neuropathologist, said that
it would have been good if that was in writing,
you know, to kind of cover all the bases here,
and if she determined that, oh, she still could have

(44:42):
been moving her arms even if she made this incision,
then like end the story.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Right, Yeah, I'm curious how this is gonna play out.
I mean when you were just like thinking you're in
the clear, I was thinking, you know, they didn't catch
Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State killer for fifty years, but
they did the last known committed c I was in
the seventies and they rested him I believe, in twenty eighteen.
So everybody should be on their dose. I just think it.

(45:05):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I understand that. I just think that right now, if
there's no more evidence that could come out, it's just
kind of like obviously you would think it's the boyfriend
because he was there and he acted weird and this
and like the whole scene of it was weird and unusual.
But at the same time, like there's not really any
evidence besides circumstantial which is minimal. That's that that would

(45:27):
implicate him at this point.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Yeah, that's why I think they're gonna have a really
difficult time because it all boils down to the original investigation,
which was fourteen.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
They're gonna I would say that they'll probably just change
it to undetermined. Yeah, so that would be that would
be safe unless, like you know, unless a neuropathologist looks
at it with certainty and says no, this, you know,
I just think at this point it's too messy. But
I'm happy. I'm happy for her family that they're getting

(45:56):
some answers because if it was handled correctly, like you
were saying, if the evidence was handenedled correctly in the beginning,
then maybe they would have been at peace with it.
And they've made their life a living fucking hell.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Actually, yeah, I can't even imagine going through something like
this and then you have to fight, you know, a
government and to tea about something like this, and that
just makes it all the heart Yeah, all the more difficult.
So at least hopefully this is some steps to getting
them some type of closure that they deserve.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Back in twenty twenty three, this woman thought it was
a good idea to use a hair dryer to warm
up her infant son, and of course she was high
and fell asleep while the hair dryer was still on
and ended up burning.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
The child to dead. This lady's thirty two has a baby.
The kid had such severe burns on its body. I
don't even know, like what the actual cause of death was,
was a hyperthermia, I'm not sure. They just said that
the baby's body was burned, but just from a skin
burn in a couple hours, I don't think that that

(46:57):
would be something that would kill you. It's there has
to be a little bit more to the mechanism that
caused the kid to actually die there. But and I
don't know if it was a couple hours or how
long she went to the to sleep, but she woke
up and he was unresponsive, and she tried to give
him CPR and everything, and he ended up dying. And

(47:21):
they found they said that what she was trying to
like hide an apparatus to smoke marijuana. See like they
were just saying that she smoked weed, and you say
she's high. It's like, well, she wasn't high on like heroin.
You know, she was on weed, which is legal, right
every like everybody smokes weed. Now, I smell it all

(47:43):
day long outside. It's like a new flower outside.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Parts of this story that are really I'm really confused about,
or they're saying. She was arrested the following day on
one count of cruelty to children in the second degree,
but then she was released on if your kid died
from something you did, why are you getting released on bond?
And then of course, while she's out on bond, a

(48:08):
year later, she gets a DUI.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah, well, I mean this, this is the thing though
she she's out on bond because in like it was negligence,
but it was an accident. I don't think that they
determined that she was under the influence.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
So can't you see this the same as like as
a dui, Like you willingly did something while you were
on Yeah, but if you if you get in an
accident and kill somebody with a DUI, you don't always
go to jail either.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
It just depends. It just depends. But I would I
don't know, like if they put things in different categories
because easily like let's say, I mean she had weed, right,
but let's say she took benadryl and fell asleep or
something too like the whole thing she was doing was
just fucking stupid. It's it's just I don't even understand,
Like did she not have heat, why was she whatever?

(48:59):
I don't know, but it was just stupid to begin with,
but it was. It was just negligence and stupidity. I
don't I just don't see that she could be in
jail for a long time for that when they determined
that she wasn't like trying to hurt the kid.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Really well, now a grand jury's hit her with second
degree murder charge, so somebody thinks it's more serious.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what
the circumstances are behind that.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
But well, this next one's really interesting, involving a DUI.
So in Sweden, this guy was flying a drone over
a temporary no fly zone that was over a car show.
So police tracked a drone back to this guy and
they tested his blood alcohol level, which was point zero
six ' nine. And really interestingly, in Sweden their legal
limit is point zero two, whereas here it's point zero eight.

(49:49):
So because he was technically over the Sweden's legal limit,
he was charged with a drone d UI. This is
something I never even thought of. But it Oh but
actually because he was flying in restricted airspace, and now
with all this shit that just happened over the past
couple days with the airplanes, you're kind of like, Okay,
maybe this is just something I never even thought of.

(50:12):
You know how we talked about this on this show
that New Jersey's having, Like I don't know if we
still are because I haven't seen it, but we were
having this crazy drone problem with these big drones flying
over and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Some of those drones are freaking big. They're like the
size of a car, I know. So I don't know
if a regular person, like, can I just go buy
a drone that's that big if I have enough money
to buy it. I don't know. There has to be
some kind of regulations or whatever. But like, certainly I
guess you shouldn't be driving them if you're drunk. Well,
not campos to go in a certain height and in

(50:44):
certain areas well.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
They're saying it's an aircraft even though it's flown by itself,
it is controlled by someone down on the ground and
could fall from a high height and injure somebody let
alone to hit a helicopter an airplane caused significant damage
or a deadly crash, depending on the size of the own,
so he used charge a dui and find three thousand
dollars for it. I'm curious either to get to find

(51:06):
three thousand dollars for DOUI with a regular car in
this country. No, but I'm fascinated that their legal limit
is so low compared to here. It should be, yeah,
it should be, but I'm just like it was boy,
you know what.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
You know, what's like an excellent example because I don't
drink that much, right, so when I do, if I
just were to drink to get my blood to be
right at the legal limit, I would be piss ass dronk.
I'm telling you, I get drunk so easily off of
one drink. I would never I could never drink drive
with one drink, even if it was a glass of wine.
I couldn't. So it varies from person to person, especially

(51:44):
depending on like how dependent you are on alcohol, your tolerance,
but that it's very it's very high limit. Considering that
there's some people that go to the bar one time
and like, hey, let me just have you know, yeah,
I mean I know other people that could have five
or six drinks and be completely fine to drive.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
But well, it varies person to person. That's why. Yeah,
I don't think they base it off of how many
drinks you said you had, but what's going on in
your body.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the blood Like what
I'm trying to say is the blood work and the
blood alcohol level isn't necessarily telling. It's not equivalent to
your impairment, you know what I mean. Like, I like
my I'm saying, if I have one drink, I feel
like I can't drive, but my limit would still be
considered legal, even though I personally think my impairment's off. Yeah,

(52:39):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
All right? This next one is so completely disturbing. So
in Florida, this sixty three year old guy asked his
thirty year old son to help him get back into
his email account. I guess he got locked out typical
boomer question by the typical boomer question. But while the
son was trying to get his dad back into the
email account, he came across child porn that was stored

(53:00):
in the dad's phone and ended up turning him into
the police. That I love this story, so it's cool
that he did that.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Could you imagine going through your parents' email and finding
fucking child porn?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Listen, what was it? Nine hundred and Yeah, we're not
talking about one picture. We're talking about nine hundred and
fifty two files.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
And the worst part is is that so this guy,
the son, is thirty years old, the dad's sixty three.
He has other children and has grandkids that would fucking
frighten me.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
And they said in the pictures the kids were ranging
from ages five to eight years old. That is absolutely disgusting.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I feel bad for the son because, like you, like,
nobody ever even wants to see those pictures. No, So
it's like, now your dad is one hundred percent going
to jail for this, which we could talk about him
getting let out on bond two, but you have to
deal with that this is now public information. You had
to see these pictures against your will when you just
thought you were helping an innocent boomer like get back

(53:58):
into their email. But the dad was released after posting
one hundred thousand dollars bond. I don't understand why bond
is even allowed for somebody in this situation. Clearly is
he has a harm to children in society If he's
saving pictures like this.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
He admitted he was doing it. It's not like he
was even trying to act like his phone got hacked.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
It just is so gross, it really is. It's really
really discussed. I just I can't stand that a guy.
I can't stand that people can get this stuff. That's
what bothers me the most. It's not like he took
them of a child he had access to, like he
was able to get them off the internet somehow, and

(54:41):
that bothers me so Like, I just with the amount
of technology that exists, I just don't understand how this
is possibly going on, that all of these people are trading.
We actually had another story we didn't talk about this
week that we can mention really quick that there was
this law enforcement husband and wife from New Jersey that
was distributing child porn of with their own children, like

(55:06):
and people. They were doing it on some site called kick,
a social media site called kick. I never even heard
of it, But there's all these like new, smaller social
media sites that might not.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Have wasn't that the site the Yes I shooter was, like.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
I believe so I was like I felt like I
heard this before, but like I'm saying, like they're a
smaller company, so they might not have the same amount
of technology that like Facebook has or something, you know,
and they need to like, like, it's just so freaking
disturbing that that there's not some technology that could pick
up that there's that there's a child. It's just so

(55:43):
fucking gross to me.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
So can't He's facing over twenty felony charges and each
of those charges carries a maximum of fifteen years. So
hopefully this guy just goes to jail for the rest
of his life and rots in there. Do you think
that the thing?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Do you think honestly, like, this guy's third and he's
known his dad his whole life, Like, do you think
that there's other stuff too? And this was this It
can't be like a total shocker that this happened.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Well, maybe it's one of those like you ever eat
a meeta older guy that's just like a little like
pervy or creepy, Like you can't assume they're doing the
absolute worst thing ever like this, But I'm sure there
were certain personality traits that were probably like, you know,
off putting. And now they're a piece together, and I
wonder if they're they're going to have to interview the

(56:31):
grandchildren and the kids and see if they ever were molested. Yeah,
because how could you trust that he wasn't doing that.
I know, it's it's really disgusting.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I know, it really is. Okay, medical news, all.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
Right, So the FDA has announced a new non opioid
painkiller called jur Navis.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Suzetra that's how it is pronounced. I believe Suzetra gene
that's the generic form it. So I guess it's been
twenty five years since they've made a pain medication, probably
because they're scared shitless because of the whole opioid thing.
The last one they made was Celebrex, which is got
its problems as well, used for arthritis and things like that.

(57:16):
But the most shocking part of this article is that
they're saying that the most commonly prescribed drugs in hospitals
is for pain management eighty million prescriptions a year, eighty
million and half of those are.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
For opioids, and just in the United States, just.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
In the United States side. It's fucking outrageous. It's so bad.
They're way over prescribed. But I guess this. So this
new drug, the opioids work by changing the way that
your brain perceives pain, whereas the new drug is blocking
the pathway, So you are experiencing the pain, but your

(57:55):
brain doesn't know it that it's experiencing it. Now, I
think that that in theory on paper, that sounds great,
but I just don't trust anything now because you're just like,
but what's the butt, Well, what's the terrible thing that's
going to come out of this? Like what could we
predict now that's going to be a problem in thirty
years from now.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Let's not forget that oxy cotton was also advertised as
a non addictive pain management and let's how'd that turn out?

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Right?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, And that was like not really too long ago,
like in modern medicine. It's it's just like they definitely
knew it was a problem.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
So we, you know, have this giant problem in the
world now because of that, I want to have faith
in this and think it's this awesome thing. I don't
know if I'll fully trust it for a long time
because of how oxycotton went down.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Well, maybe by the time you're you're a handicapped senior citizen,
you could and you're you start getting really bad pain
in your joints. It'll be you'll be ready to try
it in thirty years or something.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Well, we'll see. I you know, I've talked about this
many times, how that documentary The Crime of the Century
on HBO about your life and ruined my life. It
really made me question, you know, entities like this and
them getting paid off, and that horrible family, the Sacklers.
They're still trying to fight to get immunity in court,

(59:20):
and I'm happy that the government is like, fuck you,
We're not letting you get away with any of this
because they don't deserve it.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
So I will say it, but like I don't need
to see it. I trust me. I know what's happening
behind the scenes with the pharmaceuticals and stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
There was one story in there. I literally started crying,
which we know is not hard for me to do,
but this one person was talking about their significant other
and how they got in some type of accident and
they were prescribed oxy cotton and at one point that
I believe it was a wife that was on the
drugs and the husband went in their living room and
she had been folding laundry when he left the room,

(59:57):
and when he came back in the room, she was
literally passed stout standing up in the hamper, Like, think
about how horrible that is. And that's just one example
of just like how horrible these drugs are and how
they could take these people that are not their traditional
you know, addicdes exactly and turn them into these people.

(01:00:18):
And it's disgusting and really sad. So I'll keep saying this.
I want to have faith in this and hopefully it
will change things around. But also it's going to be expensive.
They were saying it's going to be around fifteen dollars
a pill, which is a lot of money, and it's
going to take some time for that to go down,
and we're gonna have to wait for studies over all
these years and see the long term effects of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Speaking of this, this is like maybe a completely different
side note, but I saw this Instagram account. It was like,
there's a couple that document Kensington and Philadelphia. I don't
know exactly which particular one this was, but just speaking
of the opioid epidemic and everything, if you guys haven't

(01:01:01):
seen videos from Kensington Philadelphia, it's just shocking that this
exists anywhere in the world, that people are living like this.
And this one photo, this one video had this woman
who was just high laying there. She was alive, you
could see her moving. She looked dead though, and she
had like a million flies on her crotch, right, And

(01:01:24):
then it panned over to a couple next to them,
and there was a guy sitting on a chair and
there was a woman that was like straddling him and
they were both completely just high and like awake but
not awake, you know. And just on this on a
sidewalk in Kensington. It's just yah, it's just so outraged,
like a beach chair, drugs all over the ground. It's

(01:01:46):
it's just it's just so fucking sad. And it all
originates from this shit, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I mean when you drive through that area of the city,
it's like zombie land. It just feels actually so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
It's unreal, and I feel so terrible because I'm like,
the these are people's children, you know, like nobody wants
to be there. You're there because the circumstance. But it's
just that life is not even a life, you know.
It's just so terrible to be trapped in a body
like that. It's so terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah, all right. So, after Christmas in twenty twenty three,
this family from Toronto went on what they claimed was
their dream vacation and the Dominican Republic. And the first
night they were there, they ate at the buffet at
the resort. By the following morning, they were all pretty sick.
They were begging the hotel for help and they were
just kind of blowing them off, being like, yeah, yeah,
go to the medical center on site, and I guess

(01:02:39):
at some point they made it clear that they weren't
able to get there on their own. So eventually they
get wheelchaired over to the facility and the mother and
the young son in this case are having difficulty breathing,
so they transport them to a local hospital via ambulance
and they ended up dying there shortly after.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Is this like so scary?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
I guess what happened, it seems is that so they
didn't have symptoms for nine hours after they.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Ate, and then it came on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
It came on violently, and it sounds like they were
saying that they couldn't leave the hotel room because they
were probably throwing up and shitting so bad that I mean, like,
think about this, You're in your hotel room and you
got to walk down to the lobby when you're vomiting
and stuff like that, Like it's really hard to think
about even doing because and plus when you're like that,

(01:03:31):
you're very weak and you feel well and stuff. But
the problem is is that if you're losing fluids that fast,
you could have a major electrolyte imbalance that it could
kill you. Really if you're not getting fluids put into
you as fast as you're losing them like that. You know,
that's why every time you have diarrhea and stuff, they're like,
drink plenty of fluids and stuff. But this is a

(01:03:54):
situation where they needed an IV long before they ended
up getting treatment. And I think that, I mean, they
didn't really say what caused it, but I think it
just the way that it sounds that it was some
kind of a bacteria that put off toxins that were
just just extra virulent and nasty and well, you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Know, it was complications from food poisoning, but not specifically
what type of Yeah, they didn't say, I mean, that's
what they did the autopsy. So imagine being on vacation
with your family and then all of this going down
your family having to get autopsied and freaking Dominican Republic.
Like the whole thing sounds like such a nightmare. Well,
so the husband and one of the other children survive,

(01:04:36):
Oh my god. And now it's like the dad has
to tell the other little kid, your mom and your
brother did, and they're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Always making at a Windham hotel. It wasn't some shadiest thing.
It was like a like a that's what I you
know what I mean, Like I would think that that
was a more prominent hotel that you could trust, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
Well, you want to think you could trust it. But
now they filed ten million dollar civil lawsuit claiming the
resort lacked proper hygiene and the emergency procedures and did
not respond in a timely matter when the family reported
the OWNUS. So I'm curious how that's gonna work out.
I'm curious about the buffet. If they were following protocols,
If other people were getting sick to what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Food, someone else had to get sick too, There's no way, yeah,
you know what I mean, Especially if the mom and
the dad and all of the people in the one
family were sick, other people got sick as well. But
I think that ultimately it just was because they were
losing too much fluid. Yeah, I mean, so this is crazy.
I looked this up and apparently there's a website called

(01:05:41):
iwspoisoned dot com where you've heard of this before, Yeah,
where you could anonymously put places that you've traveled. It's
actually a good idea. You couldn't. I mean, you gotta
take it with a grain of salt because people are
gonna it's like a review website. But on that website
it says places that people have traveled and where they've

(01:06:03):
gotten sick, and Dominican Republic is a big one. And
then in twenty twenty three, Forbes maggot zine in the
UK went through all of these travel forums, like millions
of them, and they were searching terms like food poisoning,
food borne illness, all this stuff, and they got hit
the most hits from the Dominican Republic with over thirteen

(01:06:24):
thousand posts people saying that they've gotten sick on vacation there.
So apparently their standards are not as good there, because
why would more people be getting sick?

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
There was there that controversy a couple of years ago
where people were dying out all the telrooms because they
were like putting the bed bug bombs in the room
and letting people go in right aft.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, So I don't know. It just was saying that,
you know, the Dominicans known for its nightlife and its
white sandy beaches and stuff. But they're saying that over
ten percent of people that have traveled complain of holiday
sickness from that particular location.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Like it's it's it's really that's a little too much
for me, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
That's that's a high number to think about that, and
when you're especially if you're traveling and you're used to
your country and used to your healthcare in your country.
I don't care if you're coming from America, wherever you're
coming from, Canada, UK, whatever, you go there and it's
it's not your country, you know, and you're not going
to get the same medical treatment and stuff there as
you would hear. And it's scary to have an event

(01:07:30):
like that when you're far from home over something that's preventable,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Yeah, all right, we don't really have any other death
news today, so we're just going to jump onto questions
of the day. Every Friday at the APT Mother Knows
Death Instagram account. We put a story up you guys
can ask whatever questions you want. We got a lot
this week that we're pretty interesting. So first, when somebody
does with breast implants, are they removed before cremation or burial? No,

(01:07:56):
I would if I had breast in plant. I have
had on a couple time, not myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
On an autopsy, I will usually take them out because
they usually just pop out. Honestly, when I take the
chest plate off, because I'm cutting through the pector alis
muscle and it usually is just sitting there and it's
kind of hanging in there, and I just take it
out because it's easier. But No, under normal circumstances, they wouldn't.
They wouldn't take them out. I don't see why they would.

(01:08:23):
I just do because they're there. But yeah, I don't
think so too. What were your pregnancy cravings. I didn't
really have any crazy ones. I just ate like a
fat pig. I gained so much weight, so so much weight,
Like they count with Lilian Progis with me, Yeah, I

(01:08:43):
mean I eat Progis a lot, but I feel like
I'm just like an habitual eater anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
You know what you had with Lilian was big Max
you were You've I've barely seen no you were eating
them a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Lot like you. I eat everything a lot. Like it's
it's really bad. I cape I hate being pregnant, but
like I couldn't control my eating at all. It was
really bad right like right now, I'm like, like if
you brought me a big mac right now, I'd want
to eat it. I can't even eat it because it's
not even gluten freight, but like i'd eat it right now.
But like I can control myself and be like I

(01:09:18):
can't eat a big mac every day. No, when I'm pregnant.
It's just like I don't give a fuck. I will
eat everything under the sun, and I don't care if
I consume eight thousand calories a day, like it just cupcakes, milkshakes, whatever.
Like it's just really bad. Like it was like a binge,
but not anything specific. I always like crave sweet stuff too,

(01:09:39):
about whatever, All right, our last ques. We the busiest
people that are like I gained twenty pounds.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
You're like I gained eighty p well, I towards the
end of the pregnancy, they say.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
We're feel me within nutrition is because you're gaining too
much weight, And I'm like, I eat five cupcakes a day.
I know why I'm any weight. I don't need a
nutrition is like they're gonna tell me I know why
I'm gaining weight. It's not like I'm ignorant. I just
want it, like I.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
All right. Our last question is what do you think
so far on the blake and justin situation? Oh, I got.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
So we haven't really talked about it because this is
not you know, something necessarily you know what we should
We should.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Talk about it though, because it is a crime to
falsely accuse someone of sexual assault, and it kind of
diminishes people that have really went through sexual assault.

Speaker 3 (01:10:32):
It's fucked up, actually if I mean if.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Like, I'm sorry, but we're reading the text messages, like
I don't care what either side of the story is.
We can determine by looking at the text message is
what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Right. I was talking about this over the weekend because
it's like, you don't want to be that person that
dismisses how somebody felt. Right if they do, well.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Fuck her like she's making shit up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
Dude, I don't want to say normally, I don't want
to say somebody did didn't go through something like that,
if that's what they're saying, what their experience was. But
it's a little hard to be that way when you're
reading when her lawsuit's saying one thing, and then he
has everything to prove that incorrect. So I think they're
both extremely annoying people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Yes, and that is definitely that everybody could agree with that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:21):
I understand his need to make this website with all
the evidence, but I think it's losery at the same time.
But I mean, he's lost everything, He lost his manager,
his agent deals, so he, in my opinion, he has
nothing to lose, so he's trying to clear his name.
But with that said, I think he's cringey on his
own level. I think her and Ryan Reynolds have been

(01:11:44):
kind of a problem for a while and people have
always thought they were annoying. I think everybody was on
her side because of the sexual harassment stuff, but it's
really hard when you're you know, reading all the text
messages and you see hers have things redacted, and then
she's saying things and like putting Taylor Swift and her
husband on him and her her dragons. Oh, talks like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
It's she's just so cringey.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
I just think they're both incredibly annoying, and this is
like spiraling out of control.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
I think I have a more sustinct thing of what
I think. I believe that she was having some kind
of a flirtatious, slash inappropriate relationship with him, whether it
be physical or emotional, and her husband found out about it,
and she, instead of like getting in trouble with him

(01:12:40):
and her marriage and everything, just pushed it off as
like he was putting me in this position. And I
don't think that they ever thought in a million years
all this shit would come. They didn't think when they
put this story forth that there was going to be
a website with their text messages that people would be
able to read the other side.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Of the story, and like where she didn't think they
were miked, but he was miked. So her whole account
got washed because she's saying, oh, he's muzzling my neck
and saying I smell really good. But then when you
see the clip, which is their actual conversation, not her

(01:13:18):
retelling it, you're just like, no, it didn't really go
down like that. I think a lot of things they
consider too, is it's my opinion that she did not
read the book, and therefore she did not know how
many sex scenes and how sexual the book was. I
also think that because something happened between them, you agreat, did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
You read the text?

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
You read them?

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeh, because I would never text another guy with this,
like these little hints and these little like you know,
I get a little saucy, like it's like this this
like I think she's crossing a line. Yeah, I think
he was also crossing a line in some capacity as
a married man and talking to him. But if you
read his thing, like even she was saying all this

(01:14:00):
shit to him and he was like, yeah, like my
kids just left for a couple of days and my
wife just left. Oh Like, I don't know, he was
trying to like get around it in some of the things.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
It's just so there's also another component of this is
there is another book in this series, but it's a
prequel that he currently has the rights too. So I
don't know if this is her way of trying to
obtain the rights to the next movie so she could
keep working on it. I don't. I actually think it's

(01:14:33):
supposed to be her when she's younger, So I don't
even know if she'd be good.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Is it good? I don't particularly care about it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
I don't particularly like this author, but people that really
love this book said the movie was very good. So
I can't speak on it because I don't particularly like
how that author writes. But the people that do really
like that book really like the movie, which I will
say should be a compliment because big readers that read
books of this level are usually extremely critical of the

(01:15:03):
movies that come out.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
He's suing her for for slander.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
He's suing her and the New York Times. He said,
I believe defamation, which we had to talk about this yesterday,
Like you could sue somebody for defamation. Defamation cases are
really hard to prove. You have to prove you've had
monetary loss or some type of loss. You can't just
be like that person said bad things about me and

(01:15:29):
then you get money, Like you have to prove your
life has been affected by it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
In the dream and make him go away and cancel him.
Is what's happening?

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
He has lost?

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
And yeah, like she's got more. You know, her dragons
are more powerful than his.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
She said that, like, yeah, I think they're both kind
of losers and like the text are cringey. I've heard
that her private text messages with Ryan Reynolds are getting subpoenaed.
And let me tell you how fast.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Side tittle loss because I'm sure anybody that ever talks
so their significant other has said, you know, highs and
lows of every aspect of their life.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
So I would never want that ever. No, well, I mean,
just she's really asking for it. They better just I don't.
I don't want to. I actually want him to be
strong and be like, no, you know what, release those
Let's like, I don't need the money, Let's release it
and show everyone how you guys really are. Because they
had no problem trying to destroy him. Why should he

(01:16:33):
be cordial right now?

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
I mean, I think it's kind of weird that he's
putting all this stuff out and she's not responding to
it at all. And I think some of her supporters
are like, she's just stronger than him, and I'm like,
she has supporters, really, No, this is this is truly
a Karen Reid situation. Like your team Blake or your
team Justin, you cannot be in the middle, and fuck

(01:16:55):
you if you're not on my lip I've.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Never seen a post that has anybody supporting her. I mean,
there's a lot of people supporting I mean, and that
could be like an algorithm thing that I get fed
everyone that you know that is uh, the other side.
But I actually want to read both sides of every issue,
right because I want to I want to be able
to form my own opinion. But I did just go

(01:17:17):
on that website and read the text messages for myself,
and I'm just like, if I was sending text messages
like that and Gabe bread them, he would not be
happy that I was sending those to another man that
I was fucking in a movie by the way, Like
they're sex scenes, Like you're pretty intense in that movie
I've heard, so yeah, It's which I always think is

(01:17:39):
awkward anyway as an actor, Like I know you're acting
and stuff, but when you're like rubbing up against a
hawk girl, like you're gonna get excite, Like I'm sorry,
you're playing it like It's just you can't turn that
off all the time, right. That's why so many people
that are in movies and stuff together end up together
because they're making out and stuff and whatever. I just

(01:18:00):
there's something there that he's jealous or there's something with
the marriage. I'm telling you, well, I'm gonna be a
genius when this comes out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Well, you're not the only person that thinks that everybody
thinks that I'm I'm a little you know. Last week
I was getting over it. I was like, I don't
care anymore. Every podcast I listened to covers it. And
now that the website came out, which should just be like, fuck, Blake.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
What are all the podcasts that you're listening to? Saying
because I don't I don't listen to podcasts. I think, like,
I don't really listen to that many podcasts, but I
don't think they're covering it much.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Well, at first, it seemed like everybody was on her
side because of this sexual harassment stuff and him being
like this cringey male feminist and all this shit. But
now I think that he's coming to maleist. That's what
his podcast was about, being a male femine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
I don't I don't even really know who these people are,
and I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
I've really never heard of him before this happens, so
I just want to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
But I think everyhole thing is fake, just for like
a publicity stimp for the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
No, I really don't, because the movie did really well
before any of this came out. Oh so, I think
everybody was initially on her side because of the sexual
harassment claims and like, you don't want to be that
person that's telling somebody what their experience was like. But
now that he has all these receipts of everything and

(01:19:30):
every single claim she's had and having the other side
of it, now, I think that people are swaying to
his side because it's it's undeniable, you're looking at exact evidence,
and if this goes to trial, which it's scheduled for
in March of twenty twenty six, I think it's going
to be just as entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Six that's next year. I think he tied to Discovery. Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
I think this will be on the same level of
the Gwyneth Paltrows the excited one exactly. And I hope
it's like TV ridiculous thing. Yeah. I can't wait, but
that's our thoughts. Can't wait to get some nasty grams
from about that, but ugh whatever. If you guys have
a story for us, please submit it to stories at
motherdosdeath dot com and we will see you later in

(01:20:14):
the week. Say ya.

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