On today’s MKD, we kick off the week discussing the sudden death of TV chef Anne Burrell, a man found lounging around with his wife's remains, a man who fed his girlfriend to a dog, the infamous poop cruise, and the remains of 800 infants found in a septic tank.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be talking about Food Network star and
Burrel's unexpected death. We also have a couple of true
crime stories involving men who kill their partners, a new
Netflix documentary that explores bizarre and revolting events in recent history,
and hundreds of dead infants that may be inside of
(00:43):
a septic tank. All that and more on today's episode.
Always unusual stuff we got going on here on our show,
Always all Right. So, yeah, this was a little bit
shocking to hear about Ann Burrell's death.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I mean, she's only fifty five years old. I
definitely think it rocked the chef community. I mean I've
been seeing every celebrity chef, Bobby Flay, Rachel Ray, everyone's
posting about her passing. So basically, Tuesday morning, right before
eight o'clock, her husband found her unresponsive on the shower floor,
called nine one one, and she was pronounced dead. Right now,
(01:19):
it doesn't there's not a clear cut answer as to
what happened, but there's been speculation there was lots of
pills around her. That's unclear if that contributed to the
death or what happened. But your pet peeve is that
they've reported it as cardiac arists.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So well, I don't know. I don't think the news
really puts across what they hear from the fire department.
That that's my personal opinion because they it seems like
from what I've been reading that they responded. So the
FDMI responded to a cardiac arrest, which means that someone's
heart stopped. Okay, so that's fine, but that's not how
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she died, because everyone dies when their heart stops, you know,
that's how That's how everyone dies. So it does. It
does kind of like I don't I don't even know
why they say it out loud. It's it's her. It's
so irritating. But yeah, so they'll do an autopsy on
her to figure out what happened because we don't know
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because a lot of especially people that are famous or
high profile, they don't tell all about their medical history.
So she could have been having some medical issues, she
could have been having psychological issues. I honestly think that
she does because of did you see you remember Duff
from charm City Cakes? Did you read his I didn't
(02:37):
read his all right, because let let me read it
to you because I have it here. I read it
and I was like, Okay, that's weird. It just was
like a little a little bit like of a red
flag to me. Maybe that's just my opinion, But he
said there was. It was really long. I'm not going
to read the whole thing, but it said they became
friends in two thousand and six, and it said quote,
(02:58):
she was going through some stuff. And I heard she
was taking a trip from New York to Baltimore, and
I made her a cake that said, don't let that
be blank win She never did, and I'm assuming the
blank is it's a curse of some sort. I mean,
what else would it be.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, but like say that was recently, because I don't
think he I think he's saying that was.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
When they met. No, I know, but he said stuff like, oh,
she was going through some stuff. And then so then
later on he said that he lost touch with her
for whatever reason, and they saw each other again, and
she seemed like she was in a better place or
like something like that. So it seems like she was
having at some point went through a really rough patch
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of her life, and he was kind of saying that
she seemed like she got out of it, so at
some point she was dealing with something. And of course,
like obviously all of the pills at the scene that
were unknown. Again they were saying that there were pills
that remember Gene Hackman's Yeah, Geene Hackman's wife died.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They grasp onto any little thing they can to try
to be like, oh, look at what happened here.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah. So I mean, what we do know is that,
at least from what's being reported anyway, that the husband
apparently last saw her alive at like one o'clock in
the morning and then went into the bathroom at six
or seven hours later and found her next to the
shower that was it seemed like it was on maybe
(04:30):
or so she was getting ready to take a shower
or she had just gotten out of the shower. Yeah,
so we know that. And so I guess he called
nine one one and they said, okay, give her CPR,
and then he told them that she was cold. So
it said that they were not sure if she actually
if he did the CPR or not, because and in
(04:52):
my opinion, like if daft dianne Y came and pronounced
her dead at the scene. It was pretty clear that
she had been dead for a while. They didn't attempt
to revive her or bring her to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So, but I wonder if this is going to end
up becoming like a Bob Sagoth thing where she fell
down hit her head or something.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, it could be like she could have fell and
hit her head and then was like going to get
tilot all and she had a brain bleed and collapsed right,
and then all the pills spilled. It could be anything
at this point. So as of right now when we're recording,
we don't know what happened yet. She went to the
medical examiner's office, and so what they're going to do
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is they're going to do the autopsy. Now, if they
found all of those pills and stuff, the investigators will
collect all of that evidence and write it down and
see if it was a prescription she was on. And
sometimes one of the interesting things they do is like
they look at the date on the prescription bottle and
they want to see if all of the pills in
the bottle matched the date that it was refilled, to
(05:54):
see how many were taken. So they could do that
and then they're going to do obviously, they're going to
do toxicology on her. They would do it anyway, just
because she just unexpectedly died and they don't know how.
So she's going to get toxicology done. But when they
do the actual autopsy that was already done as of
(06:15):
right now, they see stuff sometimes, So they could have
saw that she had a heart attack or suspected a
heart attack, or she had a stroke or something that
caused her to collapse and drop dead. Because if you
have let's say, for example, she had like a cold
or an infection or COVID whatever, you don't just like
drop dead. Only certain things cause you to drop dead.
(06:37):
So they would see that at autopsy right away, and
they would put that information out and say, Okay, it
looks like she had a ruptured aortic aneurysm, but we're
still waiting for toxicology to complete it. So they haven't
said anything yet. And I think she when did she
die on Tuesday? On Tuesday, so that was already a
couple of days ago, So I'm not sure if they
(06:57):
don't have to release it's the information, but we haven't
heard anything as of as of right now. So yeah,
we're just gonna wait and then we'll just do a
follow up when we hear more information, because the toxicology
could be a couple weeks before you get that back,
and they might not want to close it up and
(07:18):
say what it is until then.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think people are just really shocked because she had
been out the night before and had done improv and
was seemingly and really good spirits. But I mean, if
she were struggling with depression, like, that's not how that works.
You can go from being happy to not very quickly,
so you don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, and when it's I mean, you really want to
talk to her husband, because you know, you have a
way different relationship with your friends and what your friends
see of you than a person that lives in your
house with you that really knows if you're going through stuff.
And and like you said, this happens. I'm sure anyone
listening to us right now could hear that they heard
someone that they knew kill themselves and they're kind of surprised.
(08:00):
Other times you're like, Okay, I'm not surprised, but people
hide their stuff inside, you know, so, but she's I mean,
you were saying, I said Marie. She could have had
a heart attack and dropped dead people. It happens to
people all the time. And Maria is like, she's, no,
she's too young, and I'm like, no, she's she's definitely
not too young. Like that's that happens to people all
(08:22):
the time. I know, it happens to people.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I just feel like if you heard, like, oh, a
seventy five year old just had a heart attack and died,
you'd be like, well, that sucks, but like they're older,
so I understand that. But a fifty five year old
is considered a young person. It is.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's it's terrible, it's terrible to think about. But she
one hundred percent could have had a medical event like that,
you know. So I guess we just have to wait
and see. There's not much more we could say about
it at this point. All right.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So this guy and his wife were reported missing last
week in North Carolina, but days later he was found
in South Carolina, just chilling on a couch, sitting next
to containers filled with his wife's remains.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
The weirdest part of this story is that they said
that there was unusual, an unusual smell, and there were
plastic containers that were tape shut around the apartment, and
it said it had body parts in it, and it
appeared that the body parts were cut up well, and
I'm like, what did they get in there? Else? Did
they get in there exactly? So yeah, this is it's
(09:25):
really weird. And I think this story is even weirder
because of the next story because I kept going back
and forth and I'm like, is this same story and
I'm like, wait a second, No, this is in two
completely different countries, So this one's in America. So I
just wanted to say this though, when a situation like
that happens, they will this is really gross, but they
(09:46):
would send all of those plastic containers with the body
parts in it to the medical examiner's office. And at
the medical examiner's office, they're going to they you know,
you have the autopsy table and they're basically this is
kind of disturbing, but they basically put the person back
together like the most morbid puzzle ever. So they find
(10:07):
a doll and they know where that goes, and they
find a finger and they know where that goes, and
they just want to count all the fingers and count
all the toes and try to find the ribs and
try to find some of the arms, the legs, the bones,
and try to count for everything and reconstruct the person
on the autopsy table. And then they're going to look
at it and say what parts are missing. And then
(10:28):
they'll look at it and say, Okay, maybe she died
this way, maybe she died that way. Now the problem
is is that she like she's decomposing and smelling, So
that just makes it all a bit more difficult. And
I don't know what the size of these plastic containers are.
Are they like the tupperware bins you put your Christmas
decorations in? Or are they the ones you would microwave
(10:50):
your food in? Like I don't know. That's when I was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Picturing, like, you know, like those little containers with the
lids that you put food into.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, in that case, that would just be that
would just be really really difficult to figure out exactly
what happened. You know, we always talk about how you
could tell the difference between somebody that was cut up
before they died versus after. So you're gonna see like
all of that kind of stuff. You would look at
the edges to see if it looked like there was
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evidence of bleeding, and the person was alive when the
injuries were made. So I don't know. Maybe we'll find out,
maybe we won't.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, but this next story is in India. So this
guy noticed this horrible smell coming from his neighbor's apartment
and when he asked him about it, he was acting
really weird. So of course we all know where this
is going. But he calls police. They get to the
apartment and it's just a true house of horrors. Apparently
this man killed his dirty two year old girlfriend, then
(11:49):
cut her up, cooked her up, and then fed her
to his dog.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, they found multiple buckets and pots of human flesh
chopped and minced. Interesting words. They found lots of tools
around the apartment, including knives and other sharp tools, including
an electric saw, and they're going to bring all that
stuff back and examine it. The investigators try to figure
out what the murder weapon is. Again, in this case,
(12:16):
it's going to be even more difficult because the person
was not only dismembered, but was also Like, when I
think about mincing garlic, that's like putting it in the
garlic press, and like really it's really chopped up, yes,
like meat grinder level. So think about examining also decomposed
because it smells, so think about examining those remains and
(12:39):
trying to figure out what happened to this person. Not
to mention the fact that we know pieces are going
to be missing because the dog ate it well.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
First he said that she accidentally poisoned herself and he
didn't want to be charged with that, so he just
took matters into his own hands, like okay. Then he
finally admitted that they got in an argument and he
stabbed her to death. He did, I think he did
admit to cutting her up with an electric saw. So
they did find the saw covered in blood in the house.
And then they also said there was just a pair
(13:10):
of feet just sitting on a platform in the apartment.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Like the I could visually picture that, just a pair
of feet sitting there, Like how did people are just
like so screwed up in the head? I swear.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
This episode is brought to you by the Grosser Room.
All right, so this week.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
We are finishing up our part two of the buy
for Dolphin situation, which is really crazy. I hope you
guys got to read part one so far, but this
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also there'll be some discussion with the other members of
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So check that out.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
Now, all right, So this this story I picked because
of this new Netflix documentary and it has to do well.
One of the stories in the documentary has to do
with a tragedy. I would say that happened on a cruise,
and since we're getting ready to go on a cruise soon,
you know, I was like, okay, we got to talk
(15:09):
about this. I don't even know why I do this
to myself, because now it's like another fear I have
of going on the stupid frickin cruise. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I really am mad at you for picking the story
today because I saw it was coming up on Netflix.
It's dropping today, this documentary, and I really absolutely was
trying to avoid this at all costs because I don't
want to read it before going on the ship. And
now I've been forced to read the story against my will.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Thank you, fear. Well, I'd rather you be worrying about
this instead of the boat sinking or something. But I
was gonna say, sorry, wat's Titanic before we go?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You know what also wasn't on my mind until one
of my husband's cousins brought it up was pirates.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Like totally decide, has a pirate ever like tried to
hurt anybody on a cruise ship before?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't know, but something about our family is none
of us go anywhere without some situation happening, and because
all of us are gonna be on the boat, I
feel like some catastrophic Oh, I gut.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Let's say it's either gonna be Momm's gonna poop her pants,
that's going to happen. Well, I hope that it's something
like small and it's not. I mean, not that that's small.
That would be quite embarrassing. But that's nothing compared to
this story we're going to talk about right now. I
never heard of this one.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Are boat's gonna totally disappear in the Bermuda triangle?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Or who's gonna take over? Mother knows death? If our
boat disappears.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I think it's just gonna live forever with the horror
we're gonna have to have.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We're probably gonna have to have Laura takeover because because
we talk about her and off on this show, momm
will be with us. So that's it. That's the end
of that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Everybody that could take it up, well, Lara would actually
be a really good choice to come in and take
it over because she's just as outrageous as us, and
she has really great storyte She is definitely.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Way more outrageous than us.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Literally her on so you be like guess host with us.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
No, I've been thinking about that. I'm like, she's gonna
become a fan fabe Larlie. We're looking at you, all right.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So, either the boat's gonna disappear in the Bermuda Triangle
or it's gonna get attacked by pirates or something like
this is gonna happen where a fire breaks out on
day three, turning off all the power, making the toilets
that work, flooding all of the cabins with poop and sewage,
and then forcing people to poop in bags.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
This is this is really a nightmare. Yeah, it's just
it's unbelievable. And I hate to bring this up for
any of you who are also going on a cruise
this summer, Like I didn't even think about this, but yeah, people,
I mean it's not even that. It's just kind of
like they were stuck in the middle of the Gulf
of Mexico with no power so when it got for
(17:51):
four days, so and I've been thinking about that, like
what happens if you're on the cruise longer than you're
supposed to be on it, Like you don't have medicine
and you don't have like all that stuff, like you
didn't see on the app.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It tells you to bring extra medicine to count for
itinerary change sucks.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I don't. I don't use it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Does it? Really? Yeah? When you're so that's how they
were to count for itinerary changes.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, not, my god, the power is gonna go out.
We're gonna be stranded in the middle of the Gulf
for four days and then we're gonna have to get
towed to Alabama.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So so what happened was the electricity goes out and
they can't flush the toilets anymore. And they said that
the toilets are filled to the brim with shit and
like overflowing in people's rooms to the point where people
took their mattresses and like put them out on the
deck to get fresh air because there was no air
conditioning and everywhere smelled like poop so bad. They were
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running out of food and they were they so they
had to hand it out sparingly because they wanted to
make sure that they had enough for everyone. This really
is like on Titanic level of people thought they were
gonna die. I mean really, like you don't know if
anybody's coming to get you and shit like it's so scary.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
They couldn't have gotten towed in sooner than four days.
I'm seriously asking this because they said communication was sparse
with land, but they're not monitoring them like they are airplanes.
Like they just didn't realize an entire cruise ship was
not on course for days.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't know why it took so long. I mean,
this was what into Maybe they had to get a
special boat that was able to tow it. That might
not just be like readily available, you know what I mean,
Like that's a big ass boat, Like you know what
I mean, Like that might just not be sitting in
a dock somewhere. They had to maybe wait for it
to come. I don't know how any of that stuff works.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A hundred persons it twenty thirteen. I believe I'd one
hundred percent think I was dying if I was.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You already think you're dying and we haven't even gotten
on it yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I already told you. I can't look over the edge
when we're on open waters. I can't handle it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So so yeah, and like that's that's wait, this is
the best thing she says to me yesterday. She's like, uh,
she this is in her mind. She says. A cruise
is claustrophobic, she says to me, and she goes, I
can't look over the edge because it's claustrophobic. And I'm like,
there's no point in the world that you could be
(20:20):
further away from any structure ever besides the middle of
the ocean, especially Bermuda. It's it's in the middle of nowhere,
in the middle of ocean. I don't know any plan
you go on, you could go in the middle of
the mountains. Wherever you go, you're always going to be
closer to like a mountain or a structure.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I no, I'm not using the proper word. It's like
the opposite of claustrophobic. It's like this fear of like openness.
I always think about that with the Titan subversible and
going to space. It's like you're just up there and
there's like you can't see anything else, Like it's so scary. Anyway. Yeah,
So I was thinking if this was today, with the
(20:59):
you know, like the death clock we're having and the
oxygen countdown, we would have had a food and water
countdown if we knew this cruise was missing. I didn't
know this happened back then. But I also wasn't watching
the news religiously like I am now. But yeah, it
was so this was only in life.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was just so much better.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
This was only supposed to be a five day trip,
and then on day three this fire breaks out and
then they're left just drifting in the gulf for four days.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh my god, I would have trying to think of
what I'm trying to think of what this lady says.
So I saw that there was there was a lawsuit
for not really many people got it on it though.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
What it is idiotic, this is we are like thirty
one to suit for most things, but this is one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But she was like, I wasn't physically injured. I was
mentally injured. It's true, I can't it. I mean, you
would never want to obviously, you would never This would
give you a lifelong fear of just boats in general,
which I mean you don't have to go on cruises
for sure, but like maybe you want to take a
ferry somewhere or whatever, like you would have you would
(22:01):
have a legitimate fear of just I would I would
think it would it would span over to planes, and
everything else that has you that takes you away from
where you're supposed to be and you could get trapped
somewhere or whatever. I don't know what about.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
The morg refrigerator, because I would it said there's no refrigeration,
so so what if somebody had died?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So they had backup generators apparently, and that was This
is another thing I wanted to bring up. This was
a Carnival cruise by the way, which were not going
on luckily, but not that not that that matters because
they're probably all the same. But anyway, the carnival crews
when they did the investigation, they found out that they
had six generators on the on the boat, but like
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they knew that only four of them were working. It's
like a hindsight of Titanic. Oh, we knew there wasn't
enough lifeboats for people. It was like, so why go?
So they went. There was a bunch of different safety
rules that were broken. Apparently there was a fire before
in the same place and like you know, just like
all the stuff, so they knew that it was gonna
(23:02):
happen the worst. We we have to like look into
this more because we just did a quick like little
research on it. But I bet I'm wondering, like what
they offered people, because wasn't it recently that maybe it
was like the Air Alaska one where the door flew
off or something that they they offered you, like a
fifteen hundred dollars credit or something like it was something
so insulting, absolutely or the one that turned upside down
(23:25):
on the runway. It was like one of those.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was, I believe it was the one where the
door flew off, but absolutely not enough, because I'm sorry,
the door flies off when you're in the middle of
the sky like that, and.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Then then you like you're in a situation where really
terrible things could start happening when there's human shit that's
not going into suit into a sewage system.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's what I was just gonna ask you. I know
that woman says she wasn't physically injured, but is this
not hazardous to be breathing this stuff in?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's not hazardous to breathe it in, but to but
having fecal material anywhere near people that are can either
touch it. This one lady said that she was like
walking through human shit and like sliding through it. But
then it's like on your foot, and then you go
and scratch your foot and then all of a sudden,
it's under your finger now, and then you go to
(24:19):
eat a sandwich and then all of a sudden, it's
your mouth. Like this is why, like some parts of
India that don't have plumbing, it's the infections run rampant
across people because because they don't have proper sewage. It's
it's really really bad. I mean it was only four days,
so like the real problems didn't start yet, but it
(24:40):
I mean, it's just disturbing and you don't ever want
to smell someone else's shit. It's just terrible.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Are you also now contemplating backing rain boots just in case, yes,
a emodium mayde Oh my god, Like people were looking
like that, just the way they describe it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I want to watch this, actually, maybe we should watch it.
On the trip, people were described, we're already talk about it,
we already know it, Like why not? People were describing
that like they were looking for toilets that weren't filmed
to the brim to take a shit in, Like think
about that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You're also joking about saving this documentary for when we're
on the boat. But I'm sitting here like this lady's movie.
Itinerary for family movie, and it's gonna be besided Titanic,
it's merciful, the poop cruise documentary. Why not just torture
yourself psychologically while you're on the boat. You're not in
charge of family activities. I'm sorry, we have to draw
(25:37):
the line here, all right. This story is absolutely crazy.
So in Ireland there's this historian named Catherine corlis So.
Years ago she had been going through records for a
home for unwed mothers and in her research she found
that nearly eight hundred infants had been recorded as dying
between nineteen twenty five and nineteen sixty one at this place,
but only two had official burial records. So of course
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the question is is where are the other bodies?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So I guess the concern was they're not so much
thinking that it was shady. For the most part, they
said the most frequent cause of death was respiratory infections, gestroonorritis, prematurity,
whooping cough, tuberculosis and things like that, so they weren't
really saying it was shady like how they all died,
because again Maria said it was between nineteen twenty five
(26:24):
and nineteen sixty one. I mean to an extent, because
I think the women there were not treated super great.
So there's a possibility that not that they were murdered,
but maybe that some of the babies died from like
malnutrition and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, you have to think it was run by a church,
and it was for women that were pregnant and not
married during a time where that was highly unacceptable in society.
So these women went there and were treated like ash.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No, they never treat people like shit. Come on, you
are full of shit saying that, okay, But regardless like
they they don't. They're not really investigating that. They're just
kind of like, where are all these babies? So I
just don't really understand how they decided that they were
possibly in this old septic tank.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I don't think they necessarily knew they were in
a septic tank. I believe the historian had a theory
that they were buried in unmarked graves on the property.
And then so she published this finding in twenty fourteen,
and she said for years everybody treated her like she
was crazy, tried to ostracize her from society. Of course,
because the church can do no wrong, are we right?
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So then in twenty seventeen, after much public scrutiny, they
finally did a test excavation and found that in fact,
her theories were true. So as of this week now
they're beginning the excavation. I don't know why it took
almost ten years to start it, but they believe it's
going to take about two years. But so I think
in general they think about seven hundred and ninety six
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infant rooms are in this septic tank.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
On the property. Yeah, and that I mean that just
that that was a really long time ago, So it's
not it's not going to be what you think it's
going to be. Now. The conditions underground would be like
could be potentially preserving the bodies a little bit more.
It just depends if they were embombed, like how they
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were placed in there or whatever. So it's gonna be
interesting what they come across. Honestly, is that not.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Like a crazy amount of deaths. So I want to
do the math right now.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
But if they're saying it's diphtheria and and and they
were all living in close quarters in tuberculosis, especially I
during that time, I don't I don't think.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's twenty two deaths a year of just the children,
but they were living there.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But if they were living in close quarters and TB
like it's just going to go around so and and
and dip theory all of these pertessis all of this stuff,
like there's there's a lot of stuff here that were
like thinking that were very contagious diseases that people got
back in the day like that.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So yeah, they said it was ranging from infants to
three year old.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So to a point, I mean, how many people lived there,
I don't know that that's the thing if you're saying
it's twenty two a year, but but it I mean
if there was only if there was only thirty women there,
that's like it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But if it was one hundred, I don't know, you
know what I mean, I don't know. I just think
it's kind of a lot. I understand that they could
prove for maybe they theorize that most of it was
due to natural diseases. I just think it's a crazy
high number, and especially that there wasn't some system in
place that they had to have official burial records. But
to a point you brought up earlier so when they
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excavate all these remains, how are they going to identify
what's what from the same body?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's not so many. Well, I guess they're going to
do I guess they have people's names and they're going
to do DNA tests on them. And that's nuts. It
is nuts. All right, Let's do a lot of questions
in the day.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Every Friday, the at mother knows that Instagram account, you
guys could head over to our story and ask whatever
you want. First, when a full term baby dies before birth,
does the baby go into full rigor mortis? Does it
make delivery harder?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
All right? I have to tell you guys that this
I have just spent two hours today trying to figure
this out for you because it's a really good question
and I want to know the answer as well. So
I not only with my own personal experience, but I
also contacted my friend Jamie, who is a labor and
delivery nurse. And I also contacted my friend Christy, who
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does autopsy specifically on fetus as an infant. She works
at pediatric hospital. So with all of this knowledge together,
I'm going to tell you what we've come up with.
So and the reason that I that I ask is
because I would only get an infant that died in
utero or a fetus. The only time that I've ever
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seen them a still birth would be if they were
usually macerated, which means that when a fetus dies in
the wound, they're inside of amnionic fluid. So they have
a very specific appearance when they start to decompose because
they when they die, they're in water and their skin
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isn't developed all the way as it would be like
an adult or even a child. So there's all these
different factors to take into consideration. But usually when there's
a still birth, the mother will notice that there's a
decrease of fetal activity, and then that's why they tell you,
especially the further along you get, you should be feeling
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the baby move every so often, and if you don't,
you should go get that checked out. And by that time,
if it is, in fact the baby has died in utero,
when you get to the doctor, it's already been hours
since the baby it has been dead inside of this fluid.
And then by the time they get you in and
schedule the procedure and have you either give birth or
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to take it out. However, they decide to do that,
it's some when we get the fetus at that point,
it's macerated, so it means that it's it's been dead
and decomposing in this amniotic fluid for quite some time,
which means they've already been dead, way longer than there
would ever be signs of rigor present anyway. So when
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I talked to my friend Jamie, she and the reason
I wanted to talk to her is because she she's
experiencing it like straight out of the vagina, right, She's
like with the patients that are dealing with this, And
she said that in her whole career, and she's very
well experienced nurse, that she hasn't seen that or known
of that to be a problem. And the same thing
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with Crisper. She said that she has never seen it
in a fetus and has never seen rigor mortis in
a fetus. I have never seen it in a fetus
in surgical pathology as well, but she said she has
seen it in an infant before that lived and was
out of the womb for a while, so that's something
to take into consideration. So then I found this this
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textbook from nineteen oh four, which is old as hell,
But it's really interesting because it's describing The paper is
titled rigor mortis and Stillborn Children, so this is exactly
what we're talking about here. And this physician that has
experienced delivering a midwife that has delivered a lot of
babies said that they have experienced it in a fetus rarely,
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but have to the point where it could cause some
problems with delivery. But this doctor has also said that
they never have seen it in a fetus younger and
seven to eight months old, and which is something to
consider because when you consider stillborn, it's usually over twenty
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weeks of pregnancy, so seven to eight months would be
like twenty eight weeks plus to you know, seven twenty
eight to like thirty two weeks, right, So there's that
time period where you probably shouldn't see it at all.
So with all that information, I would say that it
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is possible that it happens, but usually by the time
a mother realizes that she's having a stillborn, it's already
past the point of that and they're not going to
have it like in adulthood, so it's usually not experienced,
but it could be. One of the things cited in
that book was that it was a mom that just
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last had fetal movements five hours prior. So sometimes it
just depends when it's caught. But in that particular situation,
the doctor did see that there was some difficulty delivering
because it was not dead that long. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
All right? Too, when an autopsy is requested by authorities,
if foul play is suspected but the family is against it,
what happens This is a good question too. Actually, So.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
If somebody dies and this happen. This happens often because
people have religious request and people just don't want their
family member to get an autopsy, like I personally wouldn't
unless it had to actually be done. So they will
try to respect as much as possible, but especially if
it's a homicide, forget it. Like if you have if
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you get called and some one of your family members
was in a car accident and it was pretty clear
what happened, and you beg them and say please, please please,
and they say, okay, well maybe we could just check
their head because it looks like they had a head injury.
They might do like a limitation on the autopsy. They
do as much as possible, and they try as much
(36:08):
as possible to respect the family, but at the same
time they have to do it because it's a medical
legal investigation. So those the medical examiner is kind of
is the law is the police, like they they have
jurisdiction over the body, so they could figure out what happened, because,
especially in homicide cases, and we see this with the
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Karen Reid right, like, the autopsy super important and the
information that comes from the autopsy is sometimes what is
the information that's needed to convict the person. So if
they don't have that information, then a person that killed
the person could could go free because of that. So
they will try their hardest. But in some cases it
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doesn't matter how much you beg and cry like you
you don't have a choice.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, So basically the medical examiner could overrule anything. Yeah determined,
they are gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, but if like in a hospital autopsy for example,
we have to get permission from the nextican to do it,
and if you don't, if you don't want us to
do it, like we're not legally like not allowed to
touch the body. So it's just like a totally different thing.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, last, have you ever done an appearance in a
documentary or have you ever been on TV? You were
on that episode of Oddity.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I was on two episodes of Oddities. I don't even
know what the episodes are.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And it was like in twenty thirteen, Like I don't
even know if you could find them. Still, it was
such a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Now, wait twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, it was before you had lilian No.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It was it had to be before. It had to
be before that. I seefore I am I'm pregnant with
Lilian No. I know.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I think you filmed it in twenty twelve, but it
aired in twenty thirteen or.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Twenty eleven even maybe, Like it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, it was a while.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Like I feel like my hair was still dyed black.
Such a long time ago. But were you ever on
anything else? I don't think so. I was trying to think,
and I'm like, I don't think so. Like I've done
a bunch of articles and stuff, but I don't think
I've ever done I mean, like the Vice documentary.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, there was a Vice thing and that was a
long time ago too. That was like what twenty fourteen. Yeah,
you were on Oddities before you even had Instagram. Yeah,
that was nuts. So yeah, I mean, we're I wouldn't
mind doing like a like if we got interviewed for
like a documentary type, you know, it's like a talking
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head for a couple of minutes or something.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, it's funny because I was thinking, like all the
times that we've had cameras in the house, and it's
like the you know, the four hundred times people tell
us that they want us to have a TV show
and we like actually entertained that for a minute, and
then it was an idea. It never they never have
an idea. It never happened. So but we've done so
many like sizzles and this and that and whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But and even though I feel like i'd pass out,
I really want to be on watch what Happens Live
as a bartender.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Why would you put out it out? I think I'd
just get so flustered. I get flustered because I don't
even know. I wouldn't even know how to make any drink.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'd be like, well, you don't have to really make
a drink. You just kind of stand in the court.
They have two guests on that are usually like the
Bravo celeberty or like a comedian that's super into Bravo
shows to talk about whatever aired that night, and then
the people at the bar are usually like podcasters, people
that wrote a book or like John Mayer's just doing
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it all the time now, but him and Andy Coh
and her best friends. But I went to a taping
a couple of years ago, and it's so fast, like
they just go right through it. And the one I
went to was not live, even though it's called watch there.
Some of them are live, but it's it's very quick
pace and where I feel like I'd get flustered because
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the second he's like turns to you and it's your
time to answer, Like there's one shot and that's it.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Doing shit live is like really a whole other art. Yeah.
When when I think about like when I was a kid,
like Cheers or something, it'll say, like filmed in front
of a live studio audience, Like could you imagine like
doing that in front of an audience like live like that,
it's just all the lines and being scared you're gonna
screw up, and they're they're really they're so good. It's
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like it's so talented, you know. Yeah, it's just different
when you when you have eyes looking on you like that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, totally, I exactly because like right now, like we're
both in the privacy of our own home and it's
still I get flustered and I trip up on myself
a lot, and that's the power of editing.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
But I know, but this right now is so much different,
even though with the podcast, Like right now I'm tactically
standing up in front of way more people that would
ever sit in an auditorium, Like it's way more nerve
wracking to it in front of you know, one twenty
fifth of that amount of people. Well, it's just like scary,
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you know, it's so different. And like you know, when
we when we've.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Been guests on other podcasts, I feel totally comfortable and
fine because it's basically the same setup we're doing right now.
But when we were on Doctor Drew Live and when
we were on even Lauren Show Live, I get that
like rush of adrenaline, like I hope I don't mess
up or I don't sound like a total babbling idiot,
because this is it.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's like sound we sound like babbling idiots with a
lot of practice.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Totally, Yeah, I guess, I guess we're open to doing
stuff like that. But it's just it's crazy. It was
that long ago that you were on nine NMES. I
was trying to think of it all right.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
So guys, just make sure you stay tuned for another
episode this week of us going over the Karen Ree case,
because even if you think you know everything about it,
I want you to hear what I have to say
about the autopsy findings. And so we'll go through that
well with a fine tooth comb, and then we'll talk
a little bit about our thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, and don't forget to buy tickets to the Atlanta
Meet and greet or the.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Crime being nervous in front of live people.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, seriously.
So we have the Atlanta Meet and Greet and the
Crime and Wine at the Georgia's Writer Museum. The meet
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be talking about Food Network star and
Burrel's unexpected death. We also have a couple of true
crime stories involving men who kill their partners, a new
Netflix documentary that explores bizarre and revolting events in recent history,
and hundreds of dead infants that may be inside of
(00:43):
a septic tank. All that and more on today's episode.
Always unusual stuff we got going on here on our show,
Always all Right. So, yeah, this was a little bit
shocking to hear about Ann Burrell's death.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, I mean, she's only fifty five years old. I
definitely think it rocked the chef community. I mean I've
been seeing every celebrity chef, Bobby Flay, Rachel Ray, everyone's
posting about her passing. So basically, Tuesday morning, right before
eight o'clock, her husband found her unresponsive on the shower floor,
called nine one one, and she was pronounced dead. Right now,
(01:19):
it doesn't there's not a clear cut answer as to
what happened, but there's been speculation there was lots of
pills around her. That's unclear if that contributed to the
death or what happened. But your pet peeve is that
they've reported it as cardiac arists.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So well, I don't know. I don't think the news
really puts across what they hear from the fire department.
That that's my personal opinion because they it seems like
from what I've been reading that they responded. So the
FDMI responded to a cardiac arrest, which means that someone's
heart stopped. Okay, so that's fine, but that's not how
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she died, because everyone dies when their heart stops, you know,
that's how That's how everyone dies. So it does. It
does kind of like I don't I don't even know
why they say it out loud. It's it's her. It's
so irritating. But yeah, so they'll do an autopsy on
her to figure out what happened because we don't know
(02:17):
because a lot of especially people that are famous or
high profile, they don't tell all about their medical history.
So she could have been having some medical issues, she
could have been having psychological issues. I honestly think that
she does because of did you see you remember Duff
from charm City Cakes? Did you read his I didn't
(02:37):
read his all right, because let let me read it
to you because I have it here. I read it
and I was like, Okay, that's weird. It just was
like a little a little bit like of a red
flag to me. Maybe that's just my opinion, But he
said there was. It was really long. I'm not going
to read the whole thing, but it said they became
friends in two thousand and six, and it said quote,
(02:58):
she was going through some stuff. And I heard she
was taking a trip from New York to Baltimore, and
I made her a cake that said, don't let that
be blank win She never did, and I'm assuming the
blank is it's a curse of some sort. I mean,
what else would it be.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Well, but like say that was recently, because I don't
think he I think he's saying that was.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
When they met. No, I know, but he said stuff like, oh,
she was going through some stuff. And then so then
later on he said that he lost touch with her
for whatever reason, and they saw each other again, and
she seemed like she was in a better place or
like something like that. So it seems like she was
having at some point went through a really rough patch
(03:44):
of her life, and he was kind of saying that
she seemed like she got out of it, so at
some point she was dealing with something. And of course,
like obviously all of the pills at the scene that
were unknown. Again they were saying that there were pills
that remember Gene Hackman's Yeah, Geene Hackman's wife died.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They grasp onto any little thing they can to try
to be like, oh, look at what happened here.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah. So I mean, what we do know is that,
at least from what's being reported anyway, that the husband
apparently last saw her alive at like one o'clock in
the morning and then went into the bathroom at six
or seven hours later and found her next to the
shower that was it seemed like it was on maybe
(04:30):
or so she was getting ready to take a shower
or she had just gotten out of the shower. Yeah,
so we know that. And so I guess he called
nine one one and they said, okay, give her CPR,
and then he told them that she was cold. So
it said that they were not sure if she actually
if he did the CPR or not, because and in
(04:52):
my opinion, like if daft dianne Y came and pronounced
her dead at the scene. It was pretty clear that
she had been dead for a while. They didn't attempt
to revive her or bring her to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So, but I wonder if this is going to end
up becoming like a Bob Sagoth thing where she fell
down hit her head or something.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, it could be like she could have fell and
hit her head and then was like going to get
tilot all and she had a brain bleed and collapsed right,
and then all the pills spilled. It could be anything
at this point. So as of right now when we're recording,
we don't know what happened yet. She went to the
medical examiner's office, and so what they're going to do
(05:33):
is they're going to do the autopsy. Now, if they
found all of those pills and stuff, the investigators will
collect all of that evidence and write it down and
see if it was a prescription she was on. And
sometimes one of the interesting things they do is like
they look at the date on the prescription bottle and
they want to see if all of the pills in
the bottle matched the date that it was refilled, to
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see how many were taken. So they could do that
and then they're going to do obviously, they're going to
do toxicology on her. They would do it anyway, just
because she just unexpectedly died and they don't know how.
So she's going to get toxicology done. But when they
do the actual autopsy that was already done as of
(06:15):
right now, they see stuff sometimes, So they could have
saw that she had a heart attack or suspected a
heart attack, or she had a stroke or something that
caused her to collapse and drop dead. Because if you
have let's say, for example, she had like a cold
or an infection or COVID whatever, you don't just like
drop dead. Only certain things cause you to drop dead.
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So they would see that at autopsy right away, and
they would put that information out and say, Okay, it
looks like she had a ruptured aortic aneurysm, but we're
still waiting for toxicology to complete it. So they haven't
said anything yet. And I think she when did she
die on Tuesday? On Tuesday, so that was already a
couple of days ago, So I'm not sure if they
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don't have to release it's the information, but we haven't
heard anything as of as of right now. So yeah,
we're just gonna wait and then we'll just do a
follow up when we hear more information, because the toxicology
could be a couple weeks before you get that back,
and they might not want to close it up and
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say what it is until then.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think people are just really shocked because she had
been out the night before and had done improv and
was seemingly and really good spirits. But I mean, if
she were struggling with depression, like, that's not how that works.
You can go from being happy to not very quickly,
so you don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, and when it's I mean, you really want to
talk to her husband, because you know, you have a
way different relationship with your friends and what your friends
see of you than a person that lives in your
house with you that really knows if you're going through stuff.
And and like you said, this happens. I'm sure anyone
listening to us right now could hear that they heard
someone that they knew kill themselves and they're kind of surprised.
(08:00):
Other times you're like, Okay, I'm not surprised, but people
hide their stuff inside, you know, so, but she's I mean,
you were saying, I said Marie. She could have had
a heart attack and dropped dead people. It happens to
people all the time. And Maria is like, she's, no,
she's too young, and I'm like, no, she's she's definitely
not too young. Like that's that happens to people all
(08:22):
the time. I know, it happens to people.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I just feel like if you heard, like, oh, a
seventy five year old just had a heart attack and died,
you'd be like, well, that sucks, but like they're older,
so I understand that. But a fifty five year old
is considered a young person. It is.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's it's terrible, it's terrible to think about. But she
one hundred percent could have had a medical event like that,
you know. So I guess we just have to wait
and see. There's not much more we could say about
it at this point. All right.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
So this guy and his wife were reported missing last
week in North Carolina, but days later he was found
in South Carolina, just chilling on a couch, sitting next
to containers filled with his wife's remains.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
The weirdest part of this story is that they said
that there was unusual, an unusual smell, and there were
plastic containers that were tape shut around the apartment, and
it said it had body parts in it, and it
appeared that the body parts were cut up well, and
I'm like, what did they get in there? Else? Did
they get in there exactly? So yeah, this is it's
(09:25):
really weird. And I think this story is even weirder
because of the next story because I kept going back
and forth and I'm like, is this same story and
I'm like, wait a second, No, this is in two
completely different countries, So this one's in America. So I
just wanted to say this though, when a situation like
that happens, they will this is really gross, but they
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would send all of those plastic containers with the body
parts in it to the medical examiner's office. And at
the medical examiner's office, they're going to they you know,
you have the autopsy table and they're basically this is
kind of disturbing, but they basically put the person back
together like the most morbid puzzle ever. So they find
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a doll and they know where that goes, and they
find a finger and they know where that goes, and
they just want to count all the fingers and count
all the toes and try to find the ribs and
try to find some of the arms, the legs, the bones,
and try to count for everything and reconstruct the person
on the autopsy table. And then they're going to look
at it and say what parts are missing. And then
(10:28):
they'll look at it and say, Okay, maybe she died
this way, maybe she died that way. Now the problem
is is that she like she's decomposing and smelling, So
that just makes it all a bit more difficult. And
I don't know what the size of these plastic containers are.
Are they like the tupperware bins you put your Christmas
decorations in? Or are they the ones you would microwave
(10:50):
your food in? Like I don't know. That's when I was.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Picturing, like, you know, like those little containers with the
lids that you put food into.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, in that case, that would just be that
would just be really really difficult to figure out exactly
what happened. You know, we always talk about how you
could tell the difference between somebody that was cut up
before they died versus after. So you're gonna see like
all of that kind of stuff. You would look at
the edges to see if it looked like there was
(11:19):
evidence of bleeding, and the person was alive when the
injuries were made. So I don't know. Maybe we'll find out,
maybe we won't.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, but this next story is in India. So this
guy noticed this horrible smell coming from his neighbor's apartment
and when he asked him about it, he was acting
really weird. So of course we all know where this
is going. But he calls police. They get to the
apartment and it's just a true house of horrors. Apparently
this man killed his dirty two year old girlfriend, then
(11:49):
cut her up, cooked her up, and then fed her
to his dog.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, they found multiple buckets and pots of human flesh
chopped and minced. Interesting words. They found lots of tools
around the apartment, including knives and other sharp tools, including
an electric saw, and they're going to bring all that
stuff back and examine it. The investigators try to figure
out what the murder weapon is. Again, in this case,
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it's going to be even more difficult because the person
was not only dismembered, but was also Like, when I
think about mincing garlic, that's like putting it in the
garlic press, and like really it's really chopped up, yes,
like meat grinder level. So think about examining also decomposed
because it smells, so think about examining those remains and
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trying to figure out what happened to this person. Not
to mention the fact that we know pieces are going
to be missing because the dog ate it well.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
First he said that she accidentally poisoned herself and he
didn't want to be charged with that, so he just
took matters into his own hands, like okay. Then he
finally admitted that they got in an argument and he
stabbed her to death. He did, I think he did
admit to cutting her up with an electric saw. So
they did find the saw covered in blood in the house.
And then they also said there was just a pair
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of feet just sitting on a platform in the apartment.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Like the I could visually picture that, just a pair
of feet sitting there, Like how did people are just
like so screwed up in the head? I swear.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
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Speaker 1 (14:47):
Now, all right, So this this story I picked because
of this new Netflix documentary and it has to do well.
One of the stories in the documentary has to do
with a tragedy. I would say that happened on a cruise,
and since we're getting ready to go on a cruise soon,
you know, I was like, okay, we got to talk
(15:09):
about this. I don't even know why I do this
to myself, because now it's like another fear I have
of going on the stupid frickin cruise. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I really am mad at you for picking the story
today because I saw it was coming up on Netflix.
It's dropping today, this documentary, and I really absolutely was
trying to avoid this at all costs because I don't
want to read it before going on the ship. And
now I've been forced to read the story against my will.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Thank you, fear. Well, I'd rather you be worrying about
this instead of the boat sinking or something. But I
was gonna say, sorry, wat's Titanic before we go?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
You know what also wasn't on my mind until one
of my husband's cousins brought it up was pirates.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Like totally decide, has a pirate ever like tried to
hurt anybody on a cruise ship before?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I don't know, but something about our family is none
of us go anywhere without some situation happening, and because
all of us are gonna be on the boat, I
feel like some catastrophic Oh, I gut.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Let's say it's either gonna be Momm's gonna poop her pants,
that's going to happen. Well, I hope that it's something
like small and it's not. I mean, not that that's small.
That would be quite embarrassing. But that's nothing compared to
this story we're going to talk about right now. I
never heard of this one.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Are boat's gonna totally disappear in the Bermuda triangle?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Or who's gonna take over? Mother knows death? If our
boat disappears.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
I think it's just gonna live forever with the horror
we're gonna have to have.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We're probably gonna have to have Laura takeover because because
we talk about her and off on this show, momm
will be with us. So that's it. That's the end
of that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Everybody that could take it up, well, Lara would actually
be a really good choice to come in and take
it over because she's just as outrageous as us, and
she has really great storyte She is definitely.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Way more outrageous than us.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Literally her on so you be like guess host with us.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
No, I've been thinking about that. I'm like, she's gonna
become a fan fabe Larlie. We're looking at you, all right.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So, either the boat's gonna disappear in the Bermuda Triangle
or it's gonna get attacked by pirates or something like
this is gonna happen where a fire breaks out on
day three, turning off all the power, making the toilets
that work, flooding all of the cabins with poop and sewage,
and then forcing people to poop in bags.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
This is this is really a nightmare. Yeah, it's just
it's unbelievable. And I hate to bring this up for
any of you who are also going on a cruise
this summer, Like I didn't even think about this, but yeah, people,
I mean it's not even that. It's just kind of
like they were stuck in the middle of the Gulf
of Mexico with no power so when it got for
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four days, so and I've been thinking about that, like
what happens if you're on the cruise longer than you're
supposed to be on it, Like you don't have medicine
and you don't have like all that stuff, like you
didn't see on the app.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It tells you to bring extra medicine to count for
itinerary change sucks.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I don't. I don't use it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Does it? Really? Yeah? When you're so that's how they
were to count for itinerary changes.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yes, not, my god, the power is gonna go out.
We're gonna be stranded in the middle of the Gulf
for four days and then we're gonna have to get
towed to Alabama.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So so what happened was the electricity goes out and
they can't flush the toilets anymore. And they said that
the toilets are filled to the brim with shit and
like overflowing in people's rooms to the point where people
took their mattresses and like put them out on the
deck to get fresh air because there was no air
conditioning and everywhere smelled like poop so bad. They were
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running out of food and they were they so they
had to hand it out sparingly because they wanted to
make sure that they had enough for everyone. This really
is like on Titanic level of people thought they were
gonna die. I mean really, like you don't know if
anybody's coming to get you and shit like it's so scary.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
They couldn't have gotten towed in sooner than four days.
I'm seriously asking this because they said communication was sparse
with land, but they're not monitoring them like they are airplanes.
Like they just didn't realize an entire cruise ship was
not on course for days.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't know why it took so long. I mean,
this was what into Maybe they had to get a
special boat that was able to tow it. That might
not just be like readily available, you know what I mean,
Like that's a big ass boat, Like you know what
I mean, Like that might just not be sitting in
a dock somewhere. They had to maybe wait for it
to come. I don't know how any of that stuff works.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A hundred persons it twenty thirteen. I believe I'd one
hundred percent think I was dying if I was.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You already think you're dying and we haven't even gotten
on it yet. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I already told you. I can't look over the edge
when we're on open waters. I can't handle it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
So so yeah, and like that's that's wait, this is
the best thing she says to me yesterday. She's like, uh,
she this is in her mind. She says. A cruise
is claustrophobic, she says to me, and she goes, I
can't look over the edge because it's claustrophobic. And I'm like,
there's no point in the world that you could be
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further away from any structure ever besides the middle of
the ocean, especially Bermuda. It's it's in the middle of nowhere,
in the middle of ocean. I don't know any plan
you go on, you could go in the middle of
the mountains. Wherever you go, you're always going to be
closer to like a mountain or a structure.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I no, I'm not using the proper word. It's like
the opposite of claustrophobic. It's like this fear of like openness.
I always think about that with the Titan subversible and
going to space. It's like you're just up there and
there's like you can't see anything else, Like it's so scary. Anyway. Yeah,
So I was thinking if this was today, with the
(20:59):
you know, like the death clock we're having and the
oxygen countdown, we would have had a food and water
countdown if we knew this cruise was missing. I didn't
know this happened back then. But I also wasn't watching
the news religiously like I am now. But yeah, it
was so this was only in life.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It was just so much better.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
This was only supposed to be a five day trip,
and then on day three this fire breaks out and
then they're left just drifting in the gulf for four days.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh my god, I would have trying to think of
what I'm trying to think of what this lady says.
So I saw that there was there was a lawsuit
for not really many people got it on it though.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
What it is idiotic, this is we are like thirty
one to suit for most things, but this is one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But she was like, I wasn't physically injured. I was
mentally injured. It's true, I can't it. I mean, you
would never want to obviously, you would never This would
give you a lifelong fear of just boats in general,
which I mean you don't have to go on cruises
for sure, but like maybe you want to take a
ferry somewhere or whatever, like you would have you would
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have a legitimate fear of just I would I would
think it would it would span over to planes, and
everything else that has you that takes you away from
where you're supposed to be and you could get trapped
somewhere or whatever. I don't know what about.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
The morg refrigerator, because I would it said there's no refrigeration,
so so what if somebody had died?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So they had backup generators apparently, and that was This
is another thing I wanted to bring up. This was
a Carnival cruise by the way, which were not going
on luckily, but not that not that that matters because
they're probably all the same. But anyway, the carnival crews
when they did the investigation, they found out that they
had six generators on the on the boat, but like
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they knew that only four of them were working. It's
like a hindsight of Titanic. Oh, we knew there wasn't
enough lifeboats for people. It was like, so why go?
So they went. There was a bunch of different safety
rules that were broken. Apparently there was a fire before
in the same place and like you know, just like
all the stuff, so they knew that it was gonna
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happen the worst. We we have to like look into
this more because we just did a quick like little
research on it. But I bet I'm wondering, like what
they offered people, because wasn't it recently that maybe it
was like the Air Alaska one where the door flew
off or something that they they offered you, like a
fifteen hundred dollars credit or something like it was something
so insulting, absolutely or the one that turned upside down
(23:25):
on the runway. It was like one of those.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
It was, I believe it was the one where the
door flew off, but absolutely not enough, because I'm sorry,
the door flies off when you're in the middle of
the sky like that, and.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Then then you like you're in a situation where really
terrible things could start happening when there's human shit that's
not going into suit into a sewage system.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
That's what I was just gonna ask you. I know
that woman says she wasn't physically injured, but is this
not hazardous to be breathing this stuff in?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
It's not hazardous to breathe it in, but to but
having fecal material anywhere near people that are can either
touch it. This one lady said that she was like
walking through human shit and like sliding through it. But
then it's like on your foot, and then you go
and scratch your foot and then all of a sudden,
it's under your finger now, and then you go to
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eat a sandwich and then all of a sudden, it's
your mouth. Like this is why, like some parts of
India that don't have plumbing, it's the infections run rampant
across people because because they don't have proper sewage. It's
it's really really bad. I mean it was only four days,
so like the real problems didn't start yet, but it
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I mean, it's just disturbing and you don't ever want
to smell someone else's shit. It's just terrible.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Are you also now contemplating backing rain boots just in case, yes,
a emodium mayde Oh my god, Like people were looking
like that, just the way they describe it.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I want to watch this, actually, maybe we should watch it.
On the trip, people were described, we're already talk about it,
we already know it, Like why not? People were describing
that like they were looking for toilets that weren't filmed
to the brim to take a shit in, Like think
about that.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
You're also joking about saving this documentary for when we're
on the boat. But I'm sitting here like this lady's movie.
Itinerary for family movie, and it's gonna be besided Titanic,
it's merciful, the poop cruise documentary. Why not just torture
yourself psychologically while you're on the boat. You're not in
charge of family activities. I'm sorry, we have to draw
(25:37):
the line here, all right. This story is absolutely crazy.
So in Ireland there's this historian named Catherine corlis So.
Years ago she had been going through records for a
home for unwed mothers and in her research she found
that nearly eight hundred infants had been recorded as dying
between nineteen twenty five and nineteen sixty one at this place,
but only two had official burial records. So of course
(25:59):
the question is is where are the other bodies?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So I guess the concern was they're not so much
thinking that it was shady. For the most part, they
said the most frequent cause of death was respiratory infections, gestroonorritis, prematurity,
whooping cough, tuberculosis and things like that, so they weren't
really saying it was shady like how they all died,
because again Maria said it was between nineteen twenty five
(26:24):
and nineteen sixty one. I mean to an extent, because
I think the women there were not treated super great.
So there's a possibility that not that they were murdered,
but maybe that some of the babies died from like
malnutrition and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, you have to think it was run by a church,
and it was for women that were pregnant and not
married during a time where that was highly unacceptable in society.
So these women went there and were treated like ash.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
No, they never treat people like shit. Come on, you
are full of shit saying that, okay, But regardless like
they they don't. They're not really investigating that. They're just
kind of like, where are all these babies? So I
just don't really understand how they decided that they were
possibly in this old septic tank.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I don't think they necessarily knew they were in
a septic tank. I believe the historian had a theory
that they were buried in unmarked graves on the property.
And then so she published this finding in twenty fourteen,
and she said for years everybody treated her like she
was crazy, tried to ostracize her from society. Of course,
because the church can do no wrong, are we right?
(27:36):
So then in twenty seventeen, after much public scrutiny, they
finally did a test excavation and found that in fact,
her theories were true. So as of this week now
they're beginning the excavation. I don't know why it took
almost ten years to start it, but they believe it's
going to take about two years. But so I think
in general they think about seven hundred and ninety six
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infant rooms are in this septic tank.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
On the property. Yeah, and that I mean that just
that that was a really long time ago, So it's
not it's not going to be what you think it's
going to be. Now. The conditions underground would be like
could be potentially preserving the bodies a little bit more.
It just depends if they were embombed, like how they
(28:23):
were placed in there or whatever. So it's gonna be
interesting what they come across. Honestly, is that not.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Like a crazy amount of deaths. So I want to
do the math right now.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
But if they're saying it's diphtheria and and and they
were all living in close quarters in tuberculosis, especially I
during that time, I don't I don't think.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
It's twenty two deaths a year of just the children,
but they were living there.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But if they were living in close quarters and TB
like it's just going to go around so and and
and dip theory all of these pertessis all of this stuff,
like there's there's a lot of stuff here that were
like thinking that were very contagious diseases that people got
back in the day like that.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
So yeah, they said it was ranging from infants to
three year old.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So to a point, I mean, how many people lived there,
I don't know that that's the thing if you're saying
it's twenty two a year, but but it I mean
if there was only if there was only thirty women there,
that's like it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
But if it was one hundred, I don't know, you
know what I mean, I don't know. I just think
it's kind of a lot. I understand that they could
prove for maybe they theorize that most of it was
due to natural diseases. I just think it's a crazy
high number, and especially that there wasn't some system in
place that they had to have official burial records. But
to a point you brought up earlier so when they
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excavate all these remains, how are they going to identify
what's what from the same body?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's not so many. Well, I guess they're going to
do I guess they have people's names and they're going
to do DNA tests on them. And that's nuts. It
is nuts. All right, Let's do a lot of questions
in the day.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Every Friday, the at mother knows that Instagram account, you
guys could head over to our story and ask whatever
you want. First, when a full term baby dies before birth,
does the baby go into full rigor mortis? Does it
make delivery harder?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
All right? I have to tell you guys that this
I have just spent two hours today trying to figure
this out for you because it's a really good question
and I want to know the answer as well. So
I not only with my own personal experience, but I
also contacted my friend Jamie, who is a labor and
delivery nurse. And I also contacted my friend Christy, who
(30:47):
does autopsy specifically on fetus as an infant. She works
at pediatric hospital. So with all of this knowledge together,
I'm going to tell you what we've come up with.
So and the reason that I that I ask is
because I would only get an infant that died in
utero or a fetus. The only time that I've ever
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seen them a still birth would be if they were
usually macerated, which means that when a fetus dies in
the wound, they're inside of amnionic fluid. So they have
a very specific appearance when they start to decompose because
they when they die, they're in water and their skin
(31:31):
isn't developed all the way as it would be like
an adult or even a child. So there's all these
different factors to take into consideration. But usually when there's
a still birth, the mother will notice that there's a
decrease of fetal activity, and then that's why they tell you,
especially the further along you get, you should be feeling
(31:52):
the baby move every so often, and if you don't,
you should go get that checked out. And by that time,
if it is, in fact the baby has died in utero,
when you get to the doctor, it's already been hours
since the baby it has been dead inside of this fluid.
And then by the time they get you in and
schedule the procedure and have you either give birth or
(32:17):
to take it out. However, they decide to do that,
it's some when we get the fetus at that point,
it's macerated, so it means that it's it's been dead
and decomposing in this amniotic fluid for quite some time,
which means they've already been dead, way longer than there
would ever be signs of rigor present anyway. So when
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I talked to my friend Jamie, she and the reason
I wanted to talk to her is because she she's
experiencing it like straight out of the vagina, right, She's
like with the patients that are dealing with this, And
she said that in her whole career, and she's very
well experienced nurse, that she hasn't seen that or known
of that to be a problem. And the same thing
(33:01):
with Crisper. She said that she has never seen it
in a fetus and has never seen rigor mortis in
a fetus. I have never seen it in a fetus
in surgical pathology as well, but she said she has
seen it in an infant before that lived and was
out of the womb for a while, so that's something
to take into consideration. So then I found this this
(33:25):
textbook from nineteen oh four, which is old as hell,
But it's really interesting because it's describing The paper is
titled rigor mortis and Stillborn Children, so this is exactly
what we're talking about here. And this physician that has
experienced delivering a midwife that has delivered a lot of
babies said that they have experienced it in a fetus rarely,
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but have to the point where it could cause some
problems with delivery. But this doctor has also said that
they never have seen it in a fetus younger and
seven to eight months old, and which is something to
consider because when you consider stillborn, it's usually over twenty
(34:10):
weeks of pregnancy, so seven to eight months would be
like twenty eight weeks plus to you know, seven twenty
eight to like thirty two weeks, right, So there's that
time period where you probably shouldn't see it at all.
So with all that information, I would say that it
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is possible that it happens, but usually by the time
a mother realizes that she's having a stillborn, it's already
past the point of that and they're not going to
have it like in adulthood, so it's usually not experienced,
but it could be. One of the things cited in
that book was that it was a mom that just
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last had fetal movements five hours prior. So sometimes it
just depends when it's caught. But in that particular situation,
the doctor did see that there was some difficulty delivering
because it was not dead that long. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
All right? Too, when an autopsy is requested by authorities,
if foul play is suspected but the family is against it,
what happens This is a good question too. Actually, So.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
If somebody dies and this happen. This happens often because
people have religious request and people just don't want their
family member to get an autopsy, like I personally wouldn't
unless it had to actually be done. So they will
try to respect as much as possible, but especially if
it's a homicide, forget it. Like if you have if
(35:46):
you get called and some one of your family members
was in a car accident and it was pretty clear
what happened, and you beg them and say please, please please,
and they say, okay, well maybe we could just check
their head because it looks like they had a head injury.
They might do like a limitation on the autopsy. They
do as much as possible, and they try as much
(36:08):
as possible to respect the family, but at the same
time they have to do it because it's a medical
legal investigation. So those the medical examiner is kind of
is the law is the police, like they they have
jurisdiction over the body, so they could figure out what happened, because,
especially in homicide cases, and we see this with the
(36:29):
Karen Reid right, like, the autopsy super important and the
information that comes from the autopsy is sometimes what is
the information that's needed to convict the person. So if
they don't have that information, then a person that killed
the person could could go free because of that. So
they will try their hardest. But in some cases it
(36:51):
doesn't matter how much you beg and cry like you
you don't have a choice.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, So basically the medical examiner could overrule anything. Yeah determined,
they are gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, but if like in a hospital autopsy for example,
we have to get permission from the nextican to do it,
and if you don't, if you don't want us to
do it, like we're not legally like not allowed to
touch the body. So it's just like a totally different thing.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Okay, last, have you ever done an appearance in a
documentary or have you ever been on TV? You were
on that episode of Oddity.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I was on two episodes of Oddities. I don't even
know what the episodes are.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And it was like in twenty thirteen, Like I don't
even know if you could find them. Still, it was
such a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Now, wait twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, it was before you had lilian No.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
It was it had to be before. It had to
be before that. I seefore I am I'm pregnant with
Lilian No. I know.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I think you filmed it in twenty twelve, but it
aired in twenty thirteen or.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Twenty eleven even maybe, Like it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, it was a while.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Like I feel like my hair was still dyed black.
Such a long time ago. But were you ever on
anything else? I don't think so. I was trying to think,
and I'm like, I don't think so. Like I've done
a bunch of articles and stuff, but I don't think
I've ever done I mean, like the Vice documentary.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, there was a Vice thing and that was a
long time ago too. That was like what twenty fourteen. Yeah,
you were on Oddities before you even had Instagram. Yeah,
that was nuts. So yeah, I mean, we're I wouldn't
mind doing like a like if we got interviewed for
like a documentary type, you know, it's like a talking
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head for a couple of minutes or something.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, it's funny because I was thinking, like all the
times that we've had cameras in the house, and it's
like the you know, the four hundred times people tell
us that they want us to have a TV show
and we like actually entertained that for a minute, and
then it was an idea. It never they never have
an idea. It never happened. So but we've done so
many like sizzles and this and that and whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
But and even though I feel like i'd pass out,
I really want to be on watch what Happens Live
as a bartender.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Why would you put out it out? I think I'd
just get so flustered. I get flustered because I don't
even know. I wouldn't even know how to make any drink.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'd be like, well, you don't have to really make
a drink. You just kind of stand in the court.
They have two guests on that are usually like the
Bravo celeberty or like a comedian that's super into Bravo
shows to talk about whatever aired that night, and then
the people at the bar are usually like podcasters, people
that wrote a book or like John Mayer's just doing
(39:39):
it all the time now, but him and Andy Coh
and her best friends. But I went to a taping
a couple of years ago, and it's so fast, like
they just go right through it. And the one I
went to was not live, even though it's called watch there.
Some of them are live, but it's it's very quick
pace and where I feel like I'd get flustered because
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the second he's like turns to you and it's your
time to answer, Like there's one shot and that's it.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Doing shit live is like really a whole other art. Yeah.
When when I think about like when I was a kid,
like Cheers or something, it'll say, like filmed in front
of a live studio audience, Like could you imagine like
doing that in front of an audience like live like that,
it's just all the lines and being scared you're gonna
screw up, and they're they're really they're so good. It's
(40:28):
like it's so talented, you know. Yeah, it's just different
when you when you have eyes looking on you like that.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, totally, I exactly because like right now, like we're
both in the privacy of our own home and it's
still I get flustered and I trip up on myself
a lot, and that's the power of editing.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
But I know, but this right now is so much different,
even though with the podcast, Like right now I'm tactically
standing up in front of way more people that would
ever sit in an auditorium, Like it's way more nerve
wracking to it in front of you know, one twenty
fifth of that amount of people. Well, it's just like scary,
(41:07):
you know, it's so different. And like you know, when
we when we've.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Been guests on other podcasts, I feel totally comfortable and
fine because it's basically the same setup we're doing right now.
But when we were on Doctor Drew Live and when
we were on even Lauren Show Live, I get that
like rush of adrenaline, like I hope I don't mess
up or I don't sound like a total babbling idiot,
because this is it.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
It's like sound we sound like babbling idiots with a
lot of practice.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Totally, Yeah, I guess, I guess we're open to doing
stuff like that. But it's just it's crazy. It was
that long ago that you were on nine NMES. I
was trying to think of it all right.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
So guys, just make sure you stay tuned for another
episode this week of us going over the Karen Ree case,
because even if you think you know everything about it,
I want you to hear what I have to say
about the autopsy findings. And so we'll go through that
well with a fine tooth comb, and then we'll talk
a little bit about our thoughts on it.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, and don't forget to buy tickets to the Atlanta
Meet and greet or the.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Crime being nervous in front of live people.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh my god, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, seriously.
So we have the Atlanta Meet and Greet and the
Crime and Wine at the Georgia's Writer Museum. The meet
and greet is the eleventh the Crime and Wine is
the twelfth of July. So those tickets are available in
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Say you next time. Thank you for listening to Mother
Nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as a
pathologist assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize
in anatomy and pathology education. I am not a doctor
and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or
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