December 19, 2024 • 46 mins
Happy Holidays! On today's very special Holiday episode, we discuss a man's "Christmas tree deformity," a man who got stuck in a chimney running from police, the potential discovery of Santa's Sarcophagus, toy injuries, the Covina massacre, and a woman who made cookies from recipes found on gravestones.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hi, everyone, welcome. The mother knows that this is our
special Christmas edition. So let's get into the first story. Well,
since this is an X rated show, it only to
quote pop up, it only makes sense to start with
a penis story, so which really isn't even a Christmas story,
but the deformity has to do with Christmas, so we're
(00:46):
just gonna go with it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, exactly, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So this forty three year old guy went to the
doctor and he said that he noticed a decrease in
his penis length but an increase in his girth. So
this can be caused by a condition called perih disease.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Have you ever heard of it?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
No, So it's just scarring inside of the penis, which
could happen if you have a lot of rough sex.
It could happen in other ways too, but that's one
of the common ways that it happens. And what happens
is it could kink off the blood supply, and in
this case, it caused venus insufficiency. So that means that
the blood from the penis during erection that was going
(01:24):
back to the heart was kind of backing up into
the penis and it was causing his penis to, like
Maria said, it looked like.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was shorter in length and wider.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And it's called a Christmas tree deformity because the penis
actually looks like the shape of a.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Christmas tree the pictures of it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
When you see the pictures of it, you'll say, oh, Okay,
this is this is why it's called it's called that. Yeah,
this post is called Christmas in June in the gross room.
I mean, you definitely, I think just wrote I wrote
the article in June. That's why I've called it that.
I think just you know, talking about it, you can't
really have like a full visual of his factly what
this looks like. But I do think it's a really
(02:02):
accurate description based on the pictures you included. So so yeah,
So I also show photos of the surgical repair of it,
which is it's pretty intense thinking, like especially if a
guy looks at the surgery, they're going to be like,
oh my god, that looks insane. They basically cut a
circumferential incision around his previous circumcision from when he was
(02:26):
a kid. That they cut a circle around his penis
and they slid the skin down. They basically like to
glove the penis slid it down, and then they were
able to squeeze the skin over and just kind of
sinch it and make it look more normal, and he
was able to have better sex and just enjoy his
life more thing. He was happy with the cosmetic results
(02:48):
a few months later. Well, it's good, I guess that
you could at least get surgery and fix this, so
you just don't have to, I mean, cosmetically, you want
to be okay with the way you look. But I'm
sure it was painful too. Yeah, it was painful, and
also for his partner, it was probably really painful because
it did get super thick, you know what I mean,
Like that could cause pain for some people.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So so yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Right, this next one couldn't be more amazingly timed news wise.
This is a recent story, believe it or not. So
last week in Massachusetts, police had gone to this house
to execute a search for it. I'm gonna say, based
later on the charges that it was drug related. So
when they get to this two house, there's these two
males there. They're freaking out. They decide they need to
(03:32):
escape through the roof, so they get up on the roof.
One of the men was able to jump off and
land on a parked car. But the other guy was
seemingly really inspired by you know, the time of year,
and thought it would be great to jump down the
chimney and try to get out the other way there,
just like Santa. Yeah, and then what happened though is
terrifying for me. It's terrifying when I just look at
(03:53):
the pictures. It's this guy inside of a chimney. It
looks like it's at least twenty feet down. There's absolutely
no way he could get out by himself, and it's
it's just bricks encasing his shoulders and everything like that.
He could barely probably turn around that if he even can,
and you could just see like the cops looking down
(04:13):
at him in this chimney. So he obviously gets like stuck, right,
and then the cops he's running away from have to
end up rescuing him out of this chimney.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
What are you doing? Listen, You're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I don't know if I ever told you this story,
but I have a similar story that happened in our
childhood to this. Oh my god, So I don't know
if I ever told you this. So when my dad
was building the addition on our house. I was a
young teenager and my brother was was maybe five or
(04:48):
something years old. He was pretty little, and we were helped.
We helped my dad build the addition. So I remember
being on a ladder and just holding up the drywall.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
When my dad would nail it in and things like that.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, my brother also helped, but he was he was
way younger than me, and he was walking in this
one part of the house and he fell through the ceiling,
which was only you know, some we had a case
of this a few months ago that some person fell
through the ceiling of a house, like through the attic,
(05:22):
you know, because if you have the rafters that are
just the wood, and you just put a piece of
drywall to cover it to make the ceiling, there's nothing
to protect you.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You'll fall right through it.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Like in let me give you a better example, like
in Christmas Vacation when he goes up in the attic
and puts the presence up there and then he falls
through and he ends up standing on the kid's bunk bed.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, you're talking about so so Louis was holding a
hammer and he fell through drywall like that into a
space where my dad, like in case, the chimney, the
top of the chimney where he was building the addition,
and he felt like an entire story in between the
chimney and the wall in a space like that, skinny.
(06:04):
And of course I don't know why Mom's perspective of
what this happened, but my dad was probably like, oh shit,
I'm gonna get in.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
A lot of trouble from my wife because of this.
So he grabbed me.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I can't even believe I'm saying this out loud, because
this is so outrageous.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He grabbed me and like lowered me down to grab
Louis and then pulled us both both.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Back up, like we never had to call nine on one,
No one had to come rescue us. But like, not
only did the five year old have a hammer and
fell a story down that spot, but then on top
of that, he lowered me as a young kid too
down to get him. Wait, so did he lower you.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Down by your feet?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So yeah, you're like head down, Yes, so there was
the potential you could have fallen too and gotten seriously
on your head. Yes, It's so outrageous. It's like unbelievable.
And I remember, I mean, I guess somebody told them
because she knows about it, but I don't know if
she was home, if she wasn't home when it happened.
Like whatever happened, it just shit was just different into eighties.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
All just to be that right now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I have heard this story of Louis falling, but I
don't think I realized that you were the one to
scoop them out. It would of did it, Like it
just was the way it was presented to me was
it wasn't that bad and they were just able to
get out. It was no he he no, because like
pop Pop couldn't reach them.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I seems such a typical eighties dad moved.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, And there's like thousands of stories of us being
in just similar kind of danger at all times, you know,
just so nobody got hurt at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was all fo no.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, maybe the only reason mo Mom found out
was because we told her, Like I don't. I don't
know if he actually did or whatever. We'll have to
ask them the story. But it's really classic lou qualteriri
if you ask me. But but yeah, so this is
this this, just this photo reminded me of Louis like
standing like being inside of the Yet you guys have
to look at the article of my little brother just
(08:04):
standing like inside of the chimney like that, Like it
just was funny. Wellis Louis was five and like skinny
and able to get out really easy. Not a full
grown man, No, no, he would and he was Louis
was like probably at that age, he was probably like
forty pounds or something. He was like a skinny, like,
you know, a skinny little thing. So but yeah, with
(08:26):
this guy, it's just I guess it's just funny because
if you're running from the cops, you're just gonna try
to go anywhere to not get caught. But like you
have to think that that would be just like a
terrible idea. And they did bring him to the hospital
because you know, he fell twenty feet in encased in bricks,
so he could have hurt himself, but I don't think
(08:46):
he ended up getting that hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And now he got arrested, right well, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
To say for sure that drugs were involved, but that
is what he got charged with, possession of Class A drugs,
possession of Class B drugs. They said he also so
at a slew of charges from outstanding warrns.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So was he on all of the drugs? I'm gonna
say possibly.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And then the other guy did end up getting caught later,
but I'm sure they were like, cool, we just wanted to,
you know, search this house for drugs, and now we
have to rescue this complete idiot out of the chimneys.
So I wonder just how that all went down. I'm
sure the cops were just like just another day at work,
all right. Before we get into this next story, can
(09:27):
we talk about the history of Santa Claus for a minute.
I always thought that he originated from like Germany or something,
and I think I feel that way because I watched
that animation last night Santa Claus is coming to town,
and they make.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It very German. Yeah. I never I never really thought
about it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I feel like at some point I learned about it
in school, but I don't really I don't really remember.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So enlighten us.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, So apparently Saint Nicholas was a bishop in Turkey
over sixteen hundred years ago. I never would have guessed
the origin was from Turkey, just based on all these
classic tales and everything. So he was said to have
inherited money from his family, which he took and turned
into this ultra generous figure. So basically, he died in
(10:14):
the year three hundred and forty three CE, or AD
as we knew it for a while. Originally his bones
were thought to be buried in Venice, but in the fifties,
I guess they found these bones and they were able
to determine that all of the bones together were from
the same person, but they couldn't confirm at the time
if they actually did belong to Saint Nicholas. So anyway,
(10:34):
archaeologists have now discovered this sarcophagus that they think actually
belongs to Saint Nicholas, and it makes sense because it's
at the Saint Nicholas Church in Turkey. Yeah, and I
guess he was moved there two hundred years after he died, right,
So that's that's why they think that it's definitely that
(10:54):
goes along with the story that's been being told that
he was moved from his original place to death to
this church. So yeah, so I think it's so cool
if it turns out to be I don't know, because like,
even if they were able to do any kind of
DNA on it, which I doubt it's just so old,
you know. I don't know how they would be able
(11:17):
to determine that it was really him, just because it
was such a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well, I guess they'll have anthropologists looking at the age
of the bones and stuff, right, and if they could
date it back to that time, they might.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Be able to make an assumption. But yeah, I don't
know how they'd know.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But I at first was like, isn't it obvious that
it remains would be at the church built in his honor?
But I guess it seems like this sarcophagus was like
hidden within the walls.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Did you get that impression?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, it looks like it was hidden, but it looked
you know. It's the same thing when when they excavate
people in Egypt, right, it's like you can tell if
they were of some importance by the way that they
were And it's just like this isn't just like some
random that's buried there, you know what I mean, Like
this person had significance in the presentation of the way
(12:08):
that they were buried. This reminded me of that scene
from National Treasure when they go under the church in
Philly and they break through the grave site and then
they find all the treasure hidden at the end of it.
It was just like the pictures of this just reminded
me of that for some reason. But that movie is like,
I love that movie, but it's also so terrible. Do
(12:29):
you know other Maria was an extra Yeah, I know.
It makes me so happy actually, but it's just it's
one of those movies that it's like The Mummy, right,
they're just like really cringey and kind of terrible, but
also the best movie ever, you know, Yeah, I agree
with that. Just it has really corny one liners, but
it is cool in concept. And I don't know anything
(12:52):
Nicholas Cage is in. It's just kind of cringe anymore.
But he's but he's in Moonstruck, which is the best
movie ever. Well that's in our opinion, the best movie
he was ever in, right, But I don't know, I
think this is super cool. I'm surprised it took them
this long to look there. Were they hired to do
this because they.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Thought it or I don't really know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I just think it's super cool that it happened right
before Christmas.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So yeah, they.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Said it excites them greatly. I guess they're gonna get
the rest. They've were showing pictures of them still taking
it out of the wall. I guess they're gonna get
the rest of it out and try to conduct studies
and try to see if they could figure out if
it's the real Saint Nicholas or not. But it's certainly
an interesting discover. Wait did they So they found the
sarcophagus but they didn't open it yet. Well, I don't
(13:39):
think they fully got it out. Oh okay, maybe by
the time we're recording this they did, but the news
article only had pictures of it partially, okay, So I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm also, you know, part of me thinks it's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To find these artifacts and research them and everything too.
But I'm like the purpose of him being buried there
was so he could lay peacefully in this building that
was dedicated to him, So why are we disturbing his grave?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They're respectful of that.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Sometimes they have all these different imaging tools and things
that they can bring there, and they've recently found a
lot of mommies, you know, and they won't cut them
up in stuff like they used to, but just because
they're able to do imaging, that's so much more specific
than it used to be, you know, and people are
starting to say like, hey, we should respect the remains
(14:29):
instead of being like we say, you know, but back
in the day, it was like we found the trophy,
like you know, if they weren't robbed and you found
it intact, it was like insane. You know, I actually
feel like this could be an awesome movie. So let's
say you write this script and it's like these archaeologists
are digging up and they think they found Santa, and
they take him out and everything, and then his magic
(14:51):
rein states and comes to life. So then all these
adults that stop believing in Santa have to believe like
in the Santa Claus movie with Tim Out. Wow, this
is almost as good as the romance novel you guys
wrote for me. Oh my god, we have to tell Obada.
So we're trying to figure out what to get our
friend Jen, and I was like, oh, el Jack, let's
(15:12):
let's specify. So last night we had our iHeart Autopsy
Christmas party for our business, which consists of me.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Maria, and Jen.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, there are three employees, so every year we go
to the Melting Pot and we have fun doue and
we just talk about, you know, just gossip and do
things girl les do at dinner. So we were trying
to think of a present to get Jen, and I
said Elicha's birthday party. Her and I talked about reading
romance books and watching Hallmark movies for like two hours,
(15:46):
so which I initially was like, no, she didn't, she doesn't,
she doesn't like that stuff. She didn't believe me at all.
So coincidentally, this romance bookstore just opened in a town
near us, and I have gone there a couple of
times and I love it and I think it's this
little store. Ever, so I said, let's go to the
bookstore and get Jen there doing like.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
These mystery boxes.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So we go, and you were the most uncomfortable I've
ever seen you retire life.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It was the.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Weirdest place I've ever been in my life. It was
it was a porn It's like a porn. It is
not a porn store. It looks like a normal bookstore,
but it's just romance books. Yeah, and what happened in
those books? They don't all have sex in them. Some
of them are really innocent, like pride and prejudice, and
then some of them have really graphic sex. So the
(16:32):
lady that's working in there was trying to explain to
another customer all the different sections, which the sections were hilarious.
The one was men with hot jobs. I sent it
to Gabe. I was like, Ooh, I wonder if there's.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
A book about you here.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But they had all these different like paranormal and and
like mob bosses and office and sports and all these
different categories. And this woman was it was explaining to
one of the customers there. She's like, are you into
paranormal stuff? There's like kraken and tentacles and stuff, And
I was like, what.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
The fuck is this happening.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You're sitting there judging everybody for reading these books. But
I'm telling you you're the unusual one, because I could
guarantee most of our listeners, who are a majority of women,
also read like they like getting penetrated with octopus tentacles. Listen,
that's not my thing in particular, but like they have
a section for everybody there.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Anyway, we're telling Jen this story.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Last night, we got her a mystery box about a
female lead that had amnesia. Yeah, well really like this
is this is what the box said. It's like female
lead with amnesia.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You're like, I'm sorry, you're a hater of the culture.
It's not weird. Every millennial is reading romance books right now.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Why you guys just jump on? So last year it
was like pickleball is this new thing?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Is still a thing and has been around forever. Yeah,
but you hipsters only just got onto it last year,
and now it's like romance.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Like, let me tell you something, My mother used to.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Read romance novels in the eighties with like Fabio on it,
and shit like this is.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Not this is not new at all. But nobody is
saying these lists. Nobody do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Nobody at all is saying it's new. What happened was
a couple of authors a couple of years ago, like
remarketed it. So they took those embarrassing covers of fabio away,
they made them cute, and then everybody is like, oh,
I don't have to be embarrassed reading this in public.
It was a sex symbol. That's why he was on
the cover of the books.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, but they're embarrassing to read.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
They're literally the same call. I bet you if you
read one, you'd be like, oh, this is so good.
You're not even listening to me. They could be the
same content, but the covers are different, so people are
more willing to take them out in public.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Furthermore, with kindles being.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Invented, you could read books and people don't know what
you're reading. Anyway, You're just not going to win this argument.
Get the stick out of your butt. It's fine. People
like reading books that are mindless and don't have conflict. Anyway.
We're telling Jen this whole story last night, and then
she this morning sent us a story she wrote of
what like chat GBT or something about you and Gabe's
(19:13):
love story, and we're pissing our pants.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Lift You guys are such dorks whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, I could keep being the hater, but nobody's gonna
be on your side. Oh no, there's definitely somebody that's
on my side for sure. That shit is weird. This
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(20:35):
injuries now. All right, So we talked about a couple
over the past couple of weeks. We talked about the
atomic lab that was marketed in the nineteen fifties that
was for sale that ended up selling at auction for
sixteen thousand and five hundred dollars. It's so crazy that
somebody would spend that much money on that. Well, yeah,
(20:57):
because it's the only time that you could buy radioactive material.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's not that easy to come by.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So that kit actually in the nineteen fifties sold for
forty nine dollars and fifty cents, which is a shit
ton of money for back then. Yeah, if you think
about that, that it's equivalent to six hundred and fifty
dollars of today's money. So that's a lot for a toy,
and that is part Well, they say that's part of
the reason why the sales weren't good, but I think
the real reason is because you were exposing people to
(21:26):
uranium and radiation, and that's just we knew that.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Wasn't good at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But we also talked about Remember we talked about daycare
workers getting charged because kids ingested water beads. Yeah, we
talked about water beads a lot, definitely in the grocer room.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But I think we've had a couple.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Of stories on here, right, Yeah, so we we do
have a post in the grosser room, a couple posts
in the grocerroom. But if you go to this specific
one that's on the toy injuries, you could see the
photos as well of how big these little tiny plastic
beads kind of engorge within a child's bowel and cause
an obstruction and leads to surgery.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Could lead to perforation.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And even death in some cases, which is terrible. Some
of the other toys that we talk about in this
article are the slip and slide that was one of
my favorites when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I we.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Had one when I was little, and I liked it,
but I feel.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like it hurt. It does hurt.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And the thing is, when you think about slip and slides,
you think that For me, when I first started learning
about why they're so bad, I thought it would be
due to lacerations because the one that I had was
with when I was a kid, had these like metal
hooks that you kind of that's how you anchored it
into the grass, and I remember going on it and
(22:44):
always hitting one of those or just like hitting a
rock underneath or something and cutting your leg. So that's
what I was like, Oh, that's why, because you could
get hurt with that. But really the biggest problem with
a slip in side is that adults, especially because like
the heavier and the bigger a person is, they could
as so fast, right, but then they also I don't
know if you remember going on the slip and slide,
(23:06):
like if it's not totally wet, you can kind of
come to a complete stop, like very abruptly, and it
could cause serious neck injuries and it caused paralysis in
some people. Like it's crazy. It could even kill you.
In theory, it could break your neck. So that's something
I didn't even really think about as a kid, that
you would have. It would almost be like a severe
(23:28):
form of whiplash in a way that you're going so
fast and stop and your head jolts back like that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Other ones that were in there.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Of the jarts, what is a jart, It's it's like
a it's a dark, horrible name. It's a dart, you know,
like the dart you would throw at a dartboard, but
it's huge to throw outside and instead of it, I
mean you could get hurt with a dart too, but
the jart had this thick metal, heavy like stiff hanging
(24:00):
out of the bottom of it that you when you
threw it, I guess it could go and like go
into the dirt. I don't know what you were supposed
to throw it at. I think it was a game
of some sort kind of like horseshoes or something like,
okay that you were throw these things, and in nineteen
eighty seven, these kids were playing outside and this boy,
a little kid, threw it and it went over the
(24:22):
fence and hit his sister in the head and it
killed her. So it's but when you look at a
picture of the thing, you're like, yeah, of course that
was going to hurt somebody, especially because you're telling kids
to throw them. So but people still have them in
their garage and stuff, which is kind of cool, But
why are those going to be sold for sixteen thousand
(24:42):
dollars next that auction? Well, speaking of another dangerous science kid,
there was a in the two thousands, so recently, when
we have all this information about dangerous substances, they were
selling this CSI fingerprinting kit and that had as festus
in it. Yeah, which I don't understand why, But think
about like when you're doing fingerprints, it's like you're using
(25:04):
loose powder or blush right with a brush and you're
kind of brushing over where you're looking for fingerprints, So
all you're doing is just creating dust that little kids
are breathing in. Like asbestos can damage your lungs, and
it could eventually lead to a certain kind of cancer.
Like I think if if let's say, for example, you
had it when you were a little kid, and you
play with it once, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's more like chronic exposure.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's why people that work with asbestos are more likely
to get damage to their lungs and musicthalia mote because
of asbestos disposure. But one time isn't going to kill you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
But also why why expose a kid to it? You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I was most surprised when we were writing this
up that they said some of the most common injuries
are from non scooter motorized scooters and skateboard Oh yeah, yeah,
they they're the most common gift. Yeah, they're the most
common injuries that are seen in emergency rooms and stuff
from falling off of those things. For shortened bikes, well,
I think when you get one as a little kid,
(26:02):
you're just stoked and you have, you know, no coordination
at all, so you just go crazy and the thing's
on wheels. Like I could now as an adult ride
a non motorized bone fine, But if even if I
get on the motorized ones that they have in certain
cities and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm like, forget it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I can't. They're so bad because they go so fast.
They can go really really fast with and who like you.
I remember seeing them when I went to Miami, and
it's like, all right, you're in downtown Miami. I don't
carry a bike helmet with me everywhere, but I want
to take this thing to get from here to hear
like most people aren't wearing helmets. With those things, and
they go fast, you just will get seriously injured. If
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you're going fifteen or twenty miles an hour and you
fall and hit your head, you're gonna get seriously injured,
you know, Yeah, And you know I've I've ridden them
a couple of times. When I was in Knoxville last summer.
I thought that was the best landscape for it, because,
you know, University of Tennessee wasn't in session, so there
was barely any people there. Their roads are actually really
nice and smooth and there's not a lot of potholes
(27:01):
and stuff, so that was a pleasurable experience. But the
time I rode them before was in Santa Monica, which
the roads are not good and there's lots of cracks,
and there's heavy traffic, and it was very overwhelming, especially
as somebody not experienced in riding anything like that. So
that was very scary and I could very easily. I
mean I did fall off of it at one point,
but I could see getting in a serious injury. You know.
(27:24):
One of the things on those lists too, is the
Healey sneakers.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Remember those were my shit when I was in sixth grade.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yanna broke her arm on the My kniece broke her
arm on it. She was going up the steps and
she fell backwards and she hit she broke ahead of her.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Humorous with those skates, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I mean those popped up in middle school and went
away so fast. My teachers were not having it. They
were so pissed about all the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
School around back. They are back.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I've been seeing them everywhere, So that's speaking up because
they've determined that they were bad and got rid of them,
I thought, and then they get them back. I don't
think they were banned. I think they just went they
weren't cool anymore. So people step by out. Because I
was gonna say, like, another toy that's on our list
is the the magnets, those little tiny magnets so they
(28:13):
were a big thing for a while, and then you
couldn't buy them anymore. And then I was just looking
on Amazon for something to buy for my nephew yesterday
and they're for sale again on there, these magnets. So
I mean, obviously, if I get them for a kid
that's seven years old, they're fine. But if there's ever
a baby around, that's where the danger occurs. If a
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kid puts it in their mouth, you know, which is
scary because those magnets, like, let's say you swallow a
couple of them, and they're so so strong. They stick
pieces of the bow together, and they do the same
exact thing. They cause an obstruction, and you know, pretend
you put magnets in in something like I don't even
want to use a hose as an example, because a
(28:56):
hose has such a thick wall, not like the bow does,
but it sticks the pieces of it together and then
the food can't move through it, and again it's the
same thing. It causes an obstruction and could cause a
perforation and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So they're really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And for some reason, they were banning other backs, so
I don't know what's up with that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
We just like forget about things.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, and then I guess in the most of modern
times twenty twenty four, we have the oculus. So the
one case you add in the gross from this kid
cut this insane hive around his eye, And then I
guess in other cases people are wearing them and just
bumping into their surroundings and falling and just totally not
vaying attention. Yeah, So just to read that post to
just get it's a lot more of the toys are
(29:40):
like things back in the day.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Which you just can't like, you know, you can't.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Imagine a father like lowering their daughter down to can
get their son out of a hole in the wall.
So it's the same thing here. It's just kind of nuts. Listen.
Pop Up realistically was gonna be like, I will do
anything possible not to have nine to the one one.
He is so anti going to the hospital calling anyone
for help, let alone having emergency workers there. Forget it.
(30:06):
He would be so embarrassed if somebody had to come
to the house. Well, one time he was installing cabinets
in the house and holding the cabinets by himself over
his head and he dropped it and it hit the
corner like hit his head and he came in my
room with his hands on his head and he was
gushing blood and I could see his frontal bone because
it was a giant skin flap of huge laceration, right,
(30:28):
partial like evulsion injury, and he's just and momm wasn't home,
and I, you know, I'm like a teenager and freaking out, like, oh,
I'm gonna Calonnywiman, Oh my god, and he's just like,
don't like turns are like, don't you jerror with like
a monster voice, you know, because like his biggest fear
ever is an ambulance coming to our house and him
(30:49):
getting embarrassed. You know, so God forbid an ambulance comes
to help you when you your whole fearheads bleeding everywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, And so we brought him to that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He ended up getting a lot of stitches over twenty
I think on his forehead, and it was an upside
down horseshoe, which was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But yeah, I mean it was fine.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It hads bleed a lot, so it just looks worse
than it is, you know. It definitely wasn't nine one
one worthy. But like I saw that blood and just like,
all right, this next case is this like high profile
true crime case. We never heard of it until this week. Yeah,
we wroped us up this week for our high profile.
(31:31):
That's the section two parts. Usually we split them in
two parts if they're really we don't want people to
get bored reading so many words sometimes, so we split
them up if they're a lot of information. So basically
what happened was this guy and his wife were getting
a divorce. It seemed like there was maybe some financial
issues the guy was having. He also had a son
(31:52):
that he kept a secret that he had abandoned because
the kid had some brain injury, and then when the
wife found out about it, she obviously was not cool
with it. The kid apparently got her in a swimming
pool when the kid was little and either drowned, partially drowned, whatever,
and had permanent brain damage. And then the guy was like, yeah, peace,
I don't want anything to do with this kid anymore.
(32:12):
So didn't want anything to do with the kid anymore,
but still claimed him as a dependent on his taxes
for seven years because that's something normal to do.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So only like a year and a.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Half into their marriage, the wife finds all of this out,
and you know, how do you get past something like that?
I don't know, because that's that's outrageous. Could you imagine
like something so I would be like, so, wait a second.
So you have a kid and I didn't know about
this kid, and not only that, you went through this
traumatic thing that your child got injured to the point
where their brain damage and stuff, and now you like
(32:44):
skipped out. I would, I would?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't know. I feel like that's grounds for divorce.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, and she had a couple of children, so obviously
you want to know that the person you're marrying is
going to be good to your children. And how does
that happen if they have a pass like this?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
But anyway, they go to get divorced and she wants
spouse with support. And then he got fired from his
job for fraudulently billing for hours he wasn't working to
his clients. And then apparently they had saved like eighty
eight thousand dollars in their brief marriage together as like
a nest egg, and then he dwindled it down to
seventeen grand. So not only is the whole sun thing happening,
(33:22):
but then there's this financial component too. So right before Christmas.
I think it was. Actually this is coming out December nineteenth,
So December eighteenth, two thousand and eight, their divorce gets finalized,
and then on Christmas Eve that year, only a couple
days later, he shows up to her family's Christmas party
at their house, dresses Santa Claus, and when this eight
(33:43):
year old opens the door, he shoots her in the face.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, it's so outrageous.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And he came also with a package with a bell
on it, which ended up being this air compressor that
he tried to turn into a spray device to spray
racing fuel all over the house as well. Yeah, so
when the door's first opened by her eight year old knees,
he shoots her and then just starts like opening fire
(34:09):
into the house. He's like clipping all these adults. It
was late at night, what was it, around eleven thirty
at night, So a bunch of people were at the
front of the house because they were getting ready to
go home. So of course they fell victim just because
they were in this part of the house. And then
luckily a bunch of the kids were in the back
of the house or outside, so they were able to
get to safety in some capacity. But after he ran
(34:32):
out of ammunition, then he starts spraying this fuel over
the house. He doesn't know this because this wasn't part
of his plan. There's an open flame somewhere in the house,
so the house just goes up immediately. The thing explodes,
and then he ends up catching on fire too, and
he's saying like, yeah, like a Santa suit is the
shittiest fabric ever. It's like ray on velvet, it's so flammable.
(34:54):
So the suit catches on fire and actually starts melting
into his skin. So he gets serious like second and
third degree burns all over his hands in arms at
the time too. So yeah, so the house is completely
engulfed in flames. He leaves the scene. Nine people die
in the house out of they said twenty five to
thirty people were in attendance at this party, so he
(35:17):
kills a bunch of the family members. Then he drives
to his brother's house, which is about forty miles away,
and then ends up shooting himself. Yeah so he yeah,
so he kills himself. He was probably they weren't sure
if he was planning on doing that anyway, because he
didn't leave a note, but only in like twenty five
percent of case is of suicide someone actually leaves a note,
(35:38):
So that's just if someone doesn't leave a note, that
doesn't mean that they weren't planning it. But he had
bought plane tickets to escape to go to another state.
So from that theory, they probably think that he was
not initially planning on killing himself. But then when they
did the autopsy, they saw how severe these burns were
(35:58):
were on his arms, and that would suggest that maybe
he was in so much pain didn't obviously he didn't
go and get treatment because he couldn't get treatment and
not explain where he got those kinds of burns from.
So he was in I mean, think about how much
pain you're in when you get burned with the coraling iron,
Like really it's just the worst feeling in the world.
(36:19):
And just imagine having it on your hands and arms
and not getting treatment. Like, maybe he just didn't want
to be on the run anymore and he decided he
was going to get in trouble and just off himself
because of that. Yeah, So what we're going to cover
coming up this funday is that there was two rental
cars he had. They were booby trapped and the investigation
was just insane, So.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's an interesting from a forensic standpoint because they initially
only found eight bodies, and because the house was completely
burned up, so they knew that there was nine people
that weren't accounted for. They found eight bodies, and then
a couple days later they found the ninth body, and
then they weren't able to identify all of them right away,
(37:00):
so they were only able to identify I think six
of them at first, and then the other three they
had to identify by either pulling their dental records or
their old medical records. So if you have a body
that can't be identified, and that means like they you
can't see a tattoo, you can't see their facial features,
there's nothing on them that like screams that it's them,
(37:23):
they're not just going to assume that it's that it's
a person. So they'll go to your dentist and they'll say, hey,
can I have the missing persons dental records? And then
they'll take X rays of the dead body and then
they'll confirm. They could do it with dental records or
they could do it with X rays. Like if you
ever broke your arm or something like that. So, and
(37:44):
my dentist actually said that somebody he's and he's been
practicing for a long time, and he's like, in the
entire time I've been practicing, I've only had the medical
examiner call me once to for dental records to identify
that body. Yeah, he was telling me about it. It was
pretty cool. I mean not cool for the person obviously,
but he knew who it was. It was like one
of his patients and stuff, you know. So, so that
(38:07):
had ended up happening in this case that they had
to identify three of the bodies, one of them actually
being the ex wife because she was so charred. And
when they did the autopsies on all of the bodies,
they said that all of them had gunshot wounds and
some of them and this is kind of cool too
from a forensic perspective, that some of them died as
a result of their gunshot wound and some of them
(38:28):
died from the fire. And the way that you could
tell that is that you open the trachea and the
lungs and you could see if their soot in the lungs,
that means that they were alive in breathing at the
time where the fire was burning. So if he came
in and like shot someone and they and they died
right then and there, before the fire even happened, they
wouldn't have any soot in their lungs. And the craziest
(38:50):
part of the story is the eight year old that
was shot in the face at the door survived. Yeah,
and now she's she's older and she talks about it,
which she's she's actually an advocate for gun violence, which
is cool. She's in her twenties, right, Yeah, but she's
on Instagram and she goes to all these events and stuff,
and yeah, I mean I can't I can't even imagine.
(39:11):
Not only did she get shot in the face as
a child, which is terrible, but her grandparents got killed,
her aunts and uncles like traumatic and like seeing everybody
run out knowing they burned to death. I mean, like
that's some that's some shit, man, for real.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, let's end on a lighter note, which is this
article you really call recipes from the Grave. So this
is one TikTok trend I could really get behind. This
girl went to cemeteries and went around the people's gravestones,
took recipes that they had etched on.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
The gravestones and then baked them. Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So in the photo it's a there's a recipe for
sugar cookie for the what are they called sprit Sprits
or whatever, the sprits cooks, the Sprits cookies that they're
the ones that are specific to go in the gun, right, Yeah, yes,
so there's a recipe for that how to make those
cookies and they are kind of the best. They're like
one of the best ones to have.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
So I never even thought of that that people put
like their favorite recipe on their tombstone, which is so cool,
and honestly, like, I hope she would make a cookbook
out of it.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I just think it sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think it's really cool. I believe, like a full
year ago, somebody asked us how if we'd want to.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Be cremated or buried or what.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
And while I firmly believe I want to be cremated,
I also now like this is such a cool idea
that I could see myself. Do you can get cremated
and then like my grandparents got cremated and then have tombstones.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
They got their remains buried.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
What if you know my pound cake recipe that everybody
wants so badly. I'm like, you have to wait till
I die. You can't, and you can't because that's not
even your recipe. That's like our grandparents recipe and they
like they specifically did not want it to be given up.
So you can't do that. That's not cool. So she
was asked if she went engrave on her own her
(41:06):
own recipe on her own grave zone. So she said
she was torn between including mac and cheese or clam linguini.
So I guess everybody clam laninguini. I would like to
know that recipe, So do you have one that you
would put on there?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Then? God, I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I can't say, like which one would be. That's like
so hard to say, Like what dish represents me as
a person, Like would it be a dessert?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Would it be this?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Although everybody does love my whips ricotta that is that
is what I bring to all of my parties, but
it's not my recipe, so that would be kind of cheating.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Will you have to?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Like I think you need to take recipes to learn
how to make something and then evolve it over time
to make it your own. Yeah, I just you know
what though, The thing is like it's a good recipe
that I got online, and it's it doesn't need to
be altered.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I mean I do use that special.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Glue and free bread and I you know, I burn
it things like that, but it's you don't need to
mess with certain things. Like I can't imagine how you
can make that better, you know what I mean? Like,
but I don't have like a I love cooking and
I think I cook well. But I cook well because
I can read directions and I find good recipes and
(42:24):
I cook them. I if you told me to go
in the kitchen and whip something up, like I can't,
you know what I mean? Like just everybody's different. It's
not like like when I decorate my house. It's like
I see visions in my head and they come out
and I could I could have them come out with
art or like the kids projects, Like I have visions
(42:47):
like that that I could execute with cooking.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I don't really know how to do that. If that
makes any sense. No, it does, because I watched that
show Chopped a lot, which is like you know, they
get a basket mystery items and they have to come
up with a dish, and they're all they're always super
weird things that you wouldn't normally have. I think like
my husband would be really good at that show. He
could just walk around the kitchen find really random things.
(43:11):
They come up with a great dish. I'm more like,
I have chicken, I have taco sauce, I have tortillas.
Great Like I'm kind of closed minded in that way, Yeah,
but I do. I do cook with like lots of
crazy stuff and when I put it together, it's good.
But I just a lot of times I'm just like,
how would you even know to do this? And this
(43:32):
all of these steps and everything, Like I just wouldn't
even know how to do it. So I guess some
people have that with other aspects of their life too.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Maybe I'll get better as I get more.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Experience and stuff, but I'm just more of a find
good recipe.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Read it, cook it kind of gal.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, you guys should let us know what recipe you
would put on your tombstone if you had to, because
I think it's really defining trait of everybody with their
signatures could be. So I think it's a really cool
thing that people I do too, for sure. Yeah, that
girl definitely should make a cookbook. I think especially people
like that listen to our show or other true crime
shows will be super into it. Yeah, that would be
(44:12):
like a cool coffee table book. But is it considered?
You can find me, find you and no.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
No, because it's just you're just the curator of it.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
And whoever writes the movie about the Santa Sarcophagus reinstating
Christmas magic can thank me for that. All Right, Well,
thank you guys so much. We hope you have a
great weekend. We will see you next week with some
more news stories that you could have great discussions at
the Christmas table about. And we don't even know what
(44:44):
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Thanks Ye
Hi, everyone, welcome. The mother knows that this is our
special Christmas edition. So let's get into the first story. Well,
since this is an X rated show, it only to
quote pop up, it only makes sense to start with
a penis story, so which really isn't even a Christmas story,
but the deformity has to do with Christmas, so we're
(00:46):
just gonna go with it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, exactly, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So this forty three year old guy went to the
doctor and he said that he noticed a decrease in
his penis length but an increase in his girth. So
this can be caused by a condition called perih disease.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Have you ever heard of it?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
No, So it's just scarring inside of the penis, which
could happen if you have a lot of rough sex.
It could happen in other ways too, but that's one
of the common ways that it happens. And what happens
is it could kink off the blood supply, and in
this case, it caused venus insufficiency. So that means that
the blood from the penis during erection that was going
(01:24):
back to the heart was kind of backing up into
the penis and it was causing his penis to, like
Maria said, it looked like.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It was shorter in length and wider.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
And it's called a Christmas tree deformity because the penis
actually looks like the shape of a.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Christmas tree the pictures of it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
When you see the pictures of it, you'll say, oh, Okay,
this is this is why it's called it's called that. Yeah,
this post is called Christmas in June in the gross room.
I mean, you definitely, I think just wrote I wrote
the article in June. That's why I've called it that.
I think just you know, talking about it, you can't
really have like a full visual of his factly what
this looks like. But I do think it's a really
(02:02):
accurate description based on the pictures you included. So so yeah,
So I also show photos of the surgical repair of it,
which is it's pretty intense thinking, like especially if a
guy looks at the surgery, they're going to be like,
oh my god, that looks insane. They basically cut a
circumferential incision around his previous circumcision from when he was
(02:26):
a kid. That they cut a circle around his penis
and they slid the skin down. They basically like to
glove the penis slid it down, and then they were
able to squeeze the skin over and just kind of
sinch it and make it look more normal, and he
was able to have better sex and just enjoy his
life more thing. He was happy with the cosmetic results
(02:48):
a few months later. Well, it's good, I guess that
you could at least get surgery and fix this, so
you just don't have to, I mean, cosmetically, you want
to be okay with the way you look. But I'm
sure it was painful too. Yeah, it was painful, and
also for his partner, it was probably really painful because
it did get super thick, you know what I mean,
Like that could cause pain for some people.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
So so yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Right, this next one couldn't be more amazingly timed news wise.
This is a recent story, believe it or not. So
last week in Massachusetts, police had gone to this house
to execute a search for it. I'm gonna say, based
later on the charges that it was drug related. So
when they get to this two house, there's these two
males there. They're freaking out. They decide they need to
(03:32):
escape through the roof, so they get up on the roof.
One of the men was able to jump off and
land on a parked car. But the other guy was
seemingly really inspired by you know, the time of year,
and thought it would be great to jump down the
chimney and try to get out the other way there,
just like Santa. Yeah, and then what happened though is
terrifying for me. It's terrifying when I just look at
(03:53):
the pictures. It's this guy inside of a chimney. It
looks like it's at least twenty feet down. There's absolutely
no way he could get out by himself, and it's
it's just bricks encasing his shoulders and everything like that.
He could barely probably turn around that if he even can,
and you could just see like the cops looking down
(04:13):
at him in this chimney. So he obviously gets like stuck, right,
and then the cops he's running away from have to
end up rescuing him out of this chimney.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
What are you doing? Listen, You're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I don't know if I ever told you this story,
but I have a similar story that happened in our
childhood to this. Oh my god, So I don't know
if I ever told you this. So when my dad
was building the addition on our house. I was a
young teenager and my brother was was maybe five or
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something years old. He was pretty little, and we were helped.
We helped my dad build the addition. So I remember
being on a ladder and just holding up the drywall.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
When my dad would nail it in and things like that.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, my brother also helped, but he was he was
way younger than me, and he was walking in this
one part of the house and he fell through the ceiling,
which was only you know, some we had a case
of this a few months ago that some person fell
through the ceiling of a house, like through the attic,
(05:22):
you know, because if you have the rafters that are
just the wood, and you just put a piece of
drywall to cover it to make the ceiling, there's nothing
to protect you.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
You'll fall right through it.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Like in let me give you a better example, like
in Christmas Vacation when he goes up in the attic
and puts the presence up there and then he falls
through and he ends up standing on the kid's bunk bed.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay, you're talking about so so Louis was holding a
hammer and he fell through drywall like that into a
space where my dad, like in case, the chimney, the
top of the chimney where he was building the addition,
and he felt like an entire story in between the
chimney and the wall in a space like that, skinny.
(06:04):
And of course I don't know why Mom's perspective of
what this happened, but my dad was probably like, oh shit,
I'm gonna get in.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
A lot of trouble from my wife because of this.
So he grabbed me.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I can't even believe I'm saying this out loud, because
this is so outrageous.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He grabbed me and like lowered me down to grab
Louis and then pulled us both both.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Back up, like we never had to call nine on one,
No one had to come rescue us. But like, not
only did the five year old have a hammer and
fell a story down that spot, but then on top
of that, he lowered me as a young kid too
down to get him. Wait, so did he lower you.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Down by your feet?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So yeah, you're like head down, Yes, so there was
the potential you could have fallen too and gotten seriously
on your head. Yes, It's so outrageous. It's like unbelievable.
And I remember, I mean, I guess somebody told them
because she knows about it, but I don't know if
she was home, if she wasn't home when it happened.
Like whatever happened, it just shit was just different into eighties.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
All just to be that right now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
I have heard this story of Louis falling, but I
don't think I realized that you were the one to
scoop them out. It would of did it, Like it
just was the way it was presented to me was
it wasn't that bad and they were just able to
get out. It was no he he no, because like
pop Pop couldn't reach them.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I seems such a typical eighties dad moved.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, And there's like thousands of stories of us being
in just similar kind of danger at all times, you know,
just so nobody got hurt at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was all fo no.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I mean, maybe the only reason mo Mom found out
was because we told her, Like I don't. I don't
know if he actually did or whatever. We'll have to
ask them the story. But it's really classic lou qualteriri
if you ask me. But but yeah, so this is
this this, just this photo reminded me of Louis like
standing like being inside of the Yet you guys have
to look at the article of my little brother just
(08:04):
standing like inside of the chimney like that, Like it
just was funny. Wellis Louis was five and like skinny
and able to get out really easy. Not a full
grown man, No, no, he would and he was Louis
was like probably at that age, he was probably like
forty pounds or something. He was like a skinny, like,
you know, a skinny little thing. So but yeah, with
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this guy, it's just I guess it's just funny because
if you're running from the cops, you're just gonna try
to go anywhere to not get caught. But like you
have to think that that would be just like a
terrible idea. And they did bring him to the hospital
because you know, he fell twenty feet in encased in bricks,
so he could have hurt himself, but I don't think
(08:46):
he ended up getting that hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And now he got arrested, right well, I don't want.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
To say for sure that drugs were involved, but that
is what he got charged with, possession of Class A drugs,
possession of Class B drugs. They said he also so
at a slew of charges from outstanding warrns.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So was he on all of the drugs? I'm gonna
say possibly.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And then the other guy did end up getting caught later,
but I'm sure they were like, cool, we just wanted to,
you know, search this house for drugs, and now we
have to rescue this complete idiot out of the chimneys.
So I wonder just how that all went down. I'm
sure the cops were just like just another day at work,
all right. Before we get into this next story, can
(09:27):
we talk about the history of Santa Claus for a minute.
I always thought that he originated from like Germany or something,
and I think I feel that way because I watched
that animation last night Santa Claus is coming to town,
and they make.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It very German. Yeah. I never I never really thought
about it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I feel like at some point I learned about it
in school, but I don't really I don't really remember.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So enlighten us.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Okay, So apparently Saint Nicholas was a bishop in Turkey
over sixteen hundred years ago. I never would have guessed
the origin was from Turkey, just based on all these
classic tales and everything. So he was said to have
inherited money from his family, which he took and turned
into this ultra generous figure. So basically, he died in
(10:14):
the year three hundred and forty three CE, or AD
as we knew it for a while. Originally his bones
were thought to be buried in Venice, but in the fifties,
I guess they found these bones and they were able
to determine that all of the bones together were from
the same person, but they couldn't confirm at the time
if they actually did belong to Saint Nicholas. So anyway,
(10:34):
archaeologists have now discovered this sarcophagus that they think actually
belongs to Saint Nicholas, and it makes sense because it's
at the Saint Nicholas Church in Turkey. Yeah, and I
guess he was moved there two hundred years after he died, right,
So that's that's why they think that it's definitely that
(10:54):
goes along with the story that's been being told that
he was moved from his original place to death to
this church. So yeah, so I think it's so cool
if it turns out to be I don't know, because like,
even if they were able to do any kind of
DNA on it, which I doubt it's just so old,
you know. I don't know how they would be able
(11:17):
to determine that it was really him, just because it
was such a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well, I guess they'll have anthropologists looking at the age
of the bones and stuff, right, and if they could
date it back to that time, they might.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Be able to make an assumption. But yeah, I don't
know how they'd know.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But I at first was like, isn't it obvious that
it remains would be at the church built in his honor?
But I guess it seems like this sarcophagus was like
hidden within the walls.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Did you get that impression?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, it looks like it was hidden, but it looked
you know. It's the same thing when when they excavate
people in Egypt, right, it's like you can tell if
they were of some importance by the way that they
were And it's just like this isn't just like some
random that's buried there, you know what I mean, Like
this person had significance in the presentation of the way
(12:08):
that they were buried. This reminded me of that scene
from National Treasure when they go under the church in
Philly and they break through the grave site and then
they find all the treasure hidden at the end of it.
It was just like the pictures of this just reminded
me of that for some reason. But that movie is like,
I love that movie, but it's also so terrible. Do
(12:29):
you know other Maria was an extra Yeah, I know.
It makes me so happy actually, but it's just it's
one of those movies that it's like The Mummy, right,
they're just like really cringey and kind of terrible, but
also the best movie ever, you know, Yeah, I agree
with that. Just it has really corny one liners, but
it is cool in concept. And I don't know anything
(12:52):
Nicholas Cage is in. It's just kind of cringe anymore.
But he's but he's in Moonstruck, which is the best
movie ever. Well that's in our opinion, the best movie
he was ever in, right, But I don't know, I
think this is super cool. I'm surprised it took them
this long to look there. Were they hired to do
this because they.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Thought it or I don't really know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I just think it's super cool that it happened right
before Christmas.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So yeah, they.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Said it excites them greatly. I guess they're gonna get
the rest. They've were showing pictures of them still taking
it out of the wall. I guess they're gonna get
the rest of it out and try to conduct studies
and try to see if they could figure out if
it's the real Saint Nicholas or not. But it's certainly
an interesting discover. Wait did they So they found the
sarcophagus but they didn't open it yet. Well, I don't
(13:39):
think they fully got it out. Oh okay, maybe by
the time we're recording this they did, but the news
article only had pictures of it partially, okay, So I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I'm also, you know, part of me thinks it's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
To find these artifacts and research them and everything too.
But I'm like the purpose of him being buried there
was so he could lay peacefully in this building that
was dedicated to him, So why are we disturbing his grave?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
They're respectful of that.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Sometimes they have all these different imaging tools and things
that they can bring there, and they've recently found a
lot of mommies, you know, and they won't cut them
up in stuff like they used to, but just because
they're able to do imaging, that's so much more specific
than it used to be, you know, and people are
starting to say like, hey, we should respect the remains
(14:29):
instead of being like we say, you know, but back
in the day, it was like we found the trophy,
like you know, if they weren't robbed and you found
it intact, it was like insane. You know, I actually
feel like this could be an awesome movie. So let's
say you write this script and it's like these archaeologists
are digging up and they think they found Santa, and
they take him out and everything, and then his magic
(14:51):
rein states and comes to life. So then all these
adults that stop believing in Santa have to believe like
in the Santa Claus movie with Tim Out. Wow, this
is almost as good as the romance novel you guys
wrote for me. Oh my god, we have to tell Obada.
So we're trying to figure out what to get our
friend Jen, and I was like, oh, el Jack, let's
(15:12):
let's specify. So last night we had our iHeart Autopsy
Christmas party for our business, which consists of me.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Maria, and Jen.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, there are three employees, so every year we go
to the Melting Pot and we have fun doue and
we just talk about, you know, just gossip and do
things girl les do at dinner. So we were trying
to think of a present to get Jen, and I
said Elicha's birthday party. Her and I talked about reading
romance books and watching Hallmark movies for like two hours,
(15:46):
so which I initially was like, no, she didn't, she doesn't,
she doesn't like that stuff. She didn't believe me at all.
So coincidentally, this romance bookstore just opened in a town
near us, and I have gone there a couple of
times and I love it and I think it's this
little store. Ever, so I said, let's go to the
bookstore and get Jen there doing like.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
These mystery boxes.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
So we go, and you were the most uncomfortable I've
ever seen you retire life.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It was the.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Weirdest place I've ever been in my life. It was
it was a porn It's like a porn. It is
not a porn store. It looks like a normal bookstore,
but it's just romance books. Yeah, and what happened in
those books? They don't all have sex in them. Some
of them are really innocent, like pride and prejudice, and
then some of them have really graphic sex. So the
(16:32):
lady that's working in there was trying to explain to
another customer all the different sections, which the sections were hilarious.
The one was men with hot jobs. I sent it
to Gabe. I was like, Ooh, I wonder if there's.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
A book about you here.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But they had all these different like paranormal and and
like mob bosses and office and sports and all these
different categories. And this woman was it was explaining to
one of the customers there. She's like, are you into
paranormal stuff? There's like kraken and tentacles and stuff, And
I was like, what.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
The fuck is this happening.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You're sitting there judging everybody for reading these books. But
I'm telling you you're the unusual one, because I could
guarantee most of our listeners, who are a majority of women,
also read like they like getting penetrated with octopus tentacles. Listen,
that's not my thing in particular, but like they have
a section for everybody there.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Anyway, we're telling Jen this story.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Last night, we got her a mystery box about a
female lead that had amnesia. Yeah, well really like this
is this is what the box said. It's like female
lead with amnesia.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
You're like, I'm sorry, you're a hater of the culture.
It's not weird. Every millennial is reading romance books right now.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Why you guys just jump on? So last year it
was like pickleball is this new thing?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Is still a thing and has been around forever. Yeah,
but you hipsters only just got onto it last year,
and now it's like romance.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Like, let me tell you something, My mother used to.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Read romance novels in the eighties with like Fabio on it,
and shit like this is.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Not this is not new at all. But nobody is
saying these lists. Nobody do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Nobody at all is saying it's new. What happened was
a couple of authors a couple of years ago, like
remarketed it. So they took those embarrassing covers of fabio away,
they made them cute, and then everybody is like, oh,
I don't have to be embarrassed reading this in public.
It was a sex symbol. That's why he was on
the cover of the books.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, but they're embarrassing to read.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
They're literally the same call. I bet you if you
read one, you'd be like, oh, this is so good.
You're not even listening to me. They could be the
same content, but the covers are different, so people are
more willing to take them out in public.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Furthermore, with kindles being.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Invented, you could read books and people don't know what
you're reading. Anyway, You're just not going to win this argument.
Get the stick out of your butt. It's fine. People
like reading books that are mindless and don't have conflict. Anyway.
We're telling Jen this whole story last night, and then
she this morning sent us a story she wrote of
what like chat GBT or something about you and Gabe's
(19:13):
love story, and we're pissing our pants.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Lift You guys are such dorks whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Okay, I could keep being the hater, but nobody's gonna
be on your side. Oh no, there's definitely somebody that's
on my side for sure. That shit is weird. This
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(20:35):
injuries now. All right, So we talked about a couple
over the past couple of weeks. We talked about the
atomic lab that was marketed in the nineteen fifties that
was for sale that ended up selling at auction for
sixteen thousand and five hundred dollars. It's so crazy that
somebody would spend that much money on that. Well, yeah,
(20:57):
because it's the only time that you could buy radioactive material.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's not that easy to come by.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
So that kit actually in the nineteen fifties sold for
forty nine dollars and fifty cents, which is a shit
ton of money for back then. Yeah, if you think
about that, that it's equivalent to six hundred and fifty
dollars of today's money. So that's a lot for a toy,
and that is part Well, they say that's part of
the reason why the sales weren't good, but I think
the real reason is because you were exposing people to
(21:26):
uranium and radiation, and that's just we knew that.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Wasn't good at the time.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
But we also talked about Remember we talked about daycare
workers getting charged because kids ingested water beads. Yeah, we
talked about water beads a lot, definitely in the grocer room.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
But I think we've had a couple.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Of stories on here, right, Yeah, so we we do
have a post in the grosser room, a couple posts
in the grocerroom. But if you go to this specific
one that's on the toy injuries, you could see the
photos as well of how big these little tiny plastic
beads kind of engorge within a child's bowel and cause
an obstruction and leads to surgery.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Could lead to perforation.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And even death in some cases, which is terrible. Some
of the other toys that we talk about in this
article are the slip and slide that was one of
my favorites when I was a kid.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, I we.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Had one when I was little, and I liked it,
but I feel.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Like it hurt. It does hurt.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
And the thing is, when you think about slip and slides,
you think that For me, when I first started learning
about why they're so bad, I thought it would be
due to lacerations because the one that I had was
with when I was a kid, had these like metal
hooks that you kind of that's how you anchored it
into the grass, and I remember going on it and
(22:44):
always hitting one of those or just like hitting a
rock underneath or something and cutting your leg. So that's
what I was like, Oh, that's why, because you could
get hurt with that. But really the biggest problem with
a slip in side is that adults, especially because like
the heavier and the bigger a person is, they could
as so fast, right, but then they also I don't
know if you remember going on the slip and slide,
(23:06):
like if it's not totally wet, you can kind of
come to a complete stop, like very abruptly, and it
could cause serious neck injuries and it caused paralysis in
some people. Like it's crazy. It could even kill you.
In theory, it could break your neck. So that's something
I didn't even really think about as a kid, that
you would have. It would almost be like a severe
(23:28):
form of whiplash in a way that you're going so
fast and stop and your head jolts back like that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Other ones that were in there.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Of the jarts, what is a jart, It's it's like
a it's a dark, horrible name. It's a dart, you know,
like the dart you would throw at a dartboard, but
it's huge to throw outside and instead of it, I
mean you could get hurt with a dart too, but
the jart had this thick metal, heavy like stiff hanging
(24:00):
out of the bottom of it that you when you
threw it, I guess it could go and like go
into the dirt. I don't know what you were supposed
to throw it at. I think it was a game
of some sort kind of like horseshoes or something like,
okay that you were throw these things, and in nineteen
eighty seven, these kids were playing outside and this boy,
a little kid, threw it and it went over the
(24:22):
fence and hit his sister in the head and it
killed her. So it's but when you look at a
picture of the thing, you're like, yeah, of course that
was going to hurt somebody, especially because you're telling kids
to throw them. So but people still have them in
their garage and stuff, which is kind of cool, But
why are those going to be sold for sixteen thousand
(24:42):
dollars next that auction? Well, speaking of another dangerous science kid,
there was a in the two thousands, so recently, when
we have all this information about dangerous substances, they were
selling this CSI fingerprinting kit and that had as festus
in it. Yeah, which I don't understand why, But think
about like when you're doing fingerprints, it's like you're using
(25:04):
loose powder or blush right with a brush and you're
kind of brushing over where you're looking for fingerprints, So
all you're doing is just creating dust that little kids
are breathing in. Like asbestos can damage your lungs, and
it could eventually lead to a certain kind of cancer.
Like I think if if let's say, for example, you
had it when you were a little kid, and you
play with it once, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's more like chronic exposure.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's why people that work with asbestos are more likely
to get damage to their lungs and musicthalia mote because
of asbestos disposure. But one time isn't going to kill you.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
But also why why expose a kid to it? You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, I was most surprised when we were writing this
up that they said some of the most common injuries
are from non scooter motorized scooters and skateboard Oh yeah, yeah,
they they're the most common gift. Yeah, they're the most
common injuries that are seen in emergency rooms and stuff
from falling off of those things. For shortened bikes, well,
I think when you get one as a little kid,
(26:02):
you're just stoked and you have, you know, no coordination
at all, so you just go crazy and the thing's
on wheels. Like I could now as an adult ride
a non motorized bone fine, But if even if I
get on the motorized ones that they have in certain
cities and stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm like, forget it.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I can't. They're so bad because they go so fast.
They can go really really fast with and who like you.
I remember seeing them when I went to Miami, and
it's like, all right, you're in downtown Miami. I don't
carry a bike helmet with me everywhere, but I want
to take this thing to get from here to hear
like most people aren't wearing helmets. With those things, and
they go fast, you just will get seriously injured. If
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you're going fifteen or twenty miles an hour and you
fall and hit your head, you're gonna get seriously injured,
you know, Yeah, And you know I've I've ridden them
a couple of times. When I was in Knoxville last summer.
I thought that was the best landscape for it, because,
you know, University of Tennessee wasn't in session, so there
was barely any people there. Their roads are actually really
nice and smooth and there's not a lot of potholes
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and stuff, so that was a pleasurable experience. But the
time I rode them before was in Santa Monica, which
the roads are not good and there's lots of cracks,
and there's heavy traffic, and it was very overwhelming, especially
as somebody not experienced in riding anything like that. So
that was very scary and I could very easily. I
mean I did fall off of it at one point,
but I could see getting in a serious injury. You know.
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One of the things on those lists too, is the
Healey sneakers.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Remember those were my shit when I was in sixth grade.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yanna broke her arm on the My kniece broke her
arm on it. She was going up the steps and
she fell backwards and she hit she broke ahead of her.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Humorous with those skates, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I mean those popped up in middle school and went
away so fast. My teachers were not having it. They
were so pissed about all the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
School around back. They are back.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
I've been seeing them everywhere, So that's speaking up because
they've determined that they were bad and got rid of them,
I thought, and then they get them back. I don't
think they were banned. I think they just went they
weren't cool anymore. So people step by out. Because I
was gonna say, like, another toy that's on our list
is the the magnets, those little tiny magnets so they
(28:13):
were a big thing for a while, and then you
couldn't buy them anymore. And then I was just looking
on Amazon for something to buy for my nephew yesterday
and they're for sale again on there, these magnets. So
I mean, obviously, if I get them for a kid
that's seven years old, they're fine. But if there's ever
a baby around, that's where the danger occurs. If a
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kid puts it in their mouth, you know, which is
scary because those magnets, like, let's say you swallow a
couple of them, and they're so so strong. They stick
pieces of the bow together, and they do the same
exact thing. They cause an obstruction, and you know, pretend
you put magnets in in something like I don't even
want to use a hose as an example, because a
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hose has such a thick wall, not like the bow does,
but it sticks the pieces of it together and then
the food can't move through it, and again it's the
same thing. It causes an obstruction and could cause a
perforation and stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
So they're really dangerous.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
And for some reason, they were banning other backs, so
I don't know what's up with that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
We just like forget about things.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Yeah, and then I guess in the most of modern
times twenty twenty four, we have the oculus. So the
one case you add in the gross from this kid
cut this insane hive around his eye, And then I
guess in other cases people are wearing them and just
bumping into their surroundings and falling and just totally not
vaying attention. Yeah, So just to read that post to
just get it's a lot more of the toys are
(29:40):
like things back in the day.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Which you just can't like, you know, you can't.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Imagine a father like lowering their daughter down to can
get their son out of a hole in the wall.
So it's the same thing here. It's just kind of nuts. Listen.
Pop Up realistically was gonna be like, I will do
anything possible not to have nine to the one one.
He is so anti going to the hospital calling anyone
for help, let alone having emergency workers there. Forget it.
(30:06):
He would be so embarrassed if somebody had to come
to the house. Well, one time he was installing cabinets
in the house and holding the cabinets by himself over
his head and he dropped it and it hit the
corner like hit his head and he came in my
room with his hands on his head and he was
gushing blood and I could see his frontal bone because
it was a giant skin flap of huge laceration, right,
(30:28):
partial like evulsion injury, and he's just and momm wasn't home,
and I, you know, I'm like a teenager and freaking out, like, oh,
I'm gonna Calonnywiman, Oh my god, and he's just like,
don't like turns are like, don't you jerror with like
a monster voice, you know, because like his biggest fear
ever is an ambulance coming to our house and him
(30:49):
getting embarrassed. You know, so God forbid an ambulance comes
to help you when you your whole fearheads bleeding everywhere.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, And so we brought him to that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He ended up getting a lot of stitches over twenty
I think on his forehead, and it was an upside
down horseshoe, which was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
But yeah, I mean it was fine.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
It hads bleed a lot, so it just looks worse
than it is, you know. It definitely wasn't nine one
one worthy. But like I saw that blood and just like,
all right, this next case is this like high profile
true crime case. We never heard of it until this week. Yeah,
we wroped us up this week for our high profile.
(31:31):
That's the section two parts. Usually we split them in
two parts if they're really we don't want people to
get bored reading so many words sometimes, so we split
them up if they're a lot of information. So basically
what happened was this guy and his wife were getting
a divorce. It seemed like there was maybe some financial
issues the guy was having. He also had a son
(31:52):
that he kept a secret that he had abandoned because
the kid had some brain injury, and then when the
wife found out about it, she obviously was not cool
with it. The kid apparently got her in a swimming
pool when the kid was little and either drowned, partially drowned, whatever,
and had permanent brain damage. And then the guy was like, yeah, peace,
I don't want anything to do with this kid anymore.
(32:12):
So didn't want anything to do with the kid anymore,
but still claimed him as a dependent on his taxes
for seven years because that's something normal to do.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So only like a year and a.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Half into their marriage, the wife finds all of this out,
and you know, how do you get past something like that?
I don't know, because that's that's outrageous. Could you imagine
like something so I would be like, so, wait a second.
So you have a kid and I didn't know about
this kid, and not only that, you went through this
traumatic thing that your child got injured to the point
where their brain damage and stuff, and now you like
(32:44):
skipped out. I would, I would?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't know. I feel like that's grounds for divorce.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, and she had a couple of children, so obviously
you want to know that the person you're marrying is
going to be good to your children. And how does
that happen if they have a pass like this?
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
But anyway, they go to get divorced and she wants
spouse with support. And then he got fired from his
job for fraudulently billing for hours he wasn't working to
his clients. And then apparently they had saved like eighty
eight thousand dollars in their brief marriage together as like
a nest egg, and then he dwindled it down to
seventeen grand. So not only is the whole sun thing happening,
(33:22):
but then there's this financial component too. So right before Christmas.
I think it was. Actually this is coming out December nineteenth,
So December eighteenth, two thousand and eight, their divorce gets finalized,
and then on Christmas Eve that year, only a couple
days later, he shows up to her family's Christmas party
at their house, dresses Santa Claus, and when this eight
(33:43):
year old opens the door, he shoots her in the face.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, it's so outrageous.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
And he came also with a package with a bell
on it, which ended up being this air compressor that
he tried to turn into a spray device to spray
racing fuel all over the house as well. Yeah, so
when the door's first opened by her eight year old knees,
he shoots her and then just starts like opening fire
(34:09):
into the house. He's like clipping all these adults. It
was late at night, what was it, around eleven thirty
at night, So a bunch of people were at the
front of the house because they were getting ready to
go home. So of course they fell victim just because
they were in this part of the house. And then
luckily a bunch of the kids were in the back
of the house or outside, so they were able to
get to safety in some capacity. But after he ran
(34:32):
out of ammunition, then he starts spraying this fuel over
the house. He doesn't know this because this wasn't part
of his plan. There's an open flame somewhere in the house,
so the house just goes up immediately. The thing explodes,
and then he ends up catching on fire too, and
he's saying like, yeah, like a Santa suit is the
shittiest fabric ever. It's like ray on velvet, it's so flammable.
(34:54):
So the suit catches on fire and actually starts melting
into his skin. So he gets serious like second and
third degree burns all over his hands in arms at
the time too. So yeah, so the house is completely
engulfed in flames. He leaves the scene. Nine people die
in the house out of they said twenty five to
thirty people were in attendance at this party, so he
(35:17):
kills a bunch of the family members. Then he drives
to his brother's house, which is about forty miles away,
and then ends up shooting himself. Yeah so he yeah,
so he kills himself. He was probably they weren't sure
if he was planning on doing that anyway, because he
didn't leave a note, but only in like twenty five
percent of case is of suicide someone actually leaves a note,
(35:38):
So that's just if someone doesn't leave a note, that
doesn't mean that they weren't planning it. But he had
bought plane tickets to escape to go to another state.
So from that theory, they probably think that he was
not initially planning on killing himself. But then when they
did the autopsy, they saw how severe these burns were
(35:58):
were on his arms, and that would suggest that maybe
he was in so much pain didn't obviously he didn't
go and get treatment because he couldn't get treatment and
not explain where he got those kinds of burns from.
So he was in I mean, think about how much
pain you're in when you get burned with the coraling iron,
Like really it's just the worst feeling in the world.
(36:19):
And just imagine having it on your hands and arms
and not getting treatment. Like, maybe he just didn't want
to be on the run anymore and he decided he
was going to get in trouble and just off himself
because of that. Yeah, So what we're going to cover
coming up this funday is that there was two rental
cars he had. They were booby trapped and the investigation
was just insane, So.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
It's an interesting from a forensic standpoint because they initially
only found eight bodies, and because the house was completely
burned up, so they knew that there was nine people
that weren't accounted for. They found eight bodies, and then
a couple days later they found the ninth body, and
then they weren't able to identify all of them right away,
(37:00):
so they were only able to identify I think six
of them at first, and then the other three they
had to identify by either pulling their dental records or
their old medical records. So if you have a body
that can't be identified, and that means like they you
can't see a tattoo, you can't see their facial features,
there's nothing on them that like screams that it's them,
(37:23):
they're not just going to assume that it's that it's
a person. So they'll go to your dentist and they'll say, hey,
can I have the missing persons dental records? And then
they'll take X rays of the dead body and then
they'll confirm. They could do it with dental records or
they could do it with X rays. Like if you
ever broke your arm or something like that. So, and
(37:44):
my dentist actually said that somebody he's and he's been
practicing for a long time, and he's like, in the
entire time I've been practicing, I've only had the medical
examiner call me once to for dental records to identify
that body. Yeah, he was telling me about it. It was
pretty cool. I mean not cool for the person obviously,
but he knew who it was. It was like one
of his patients and stuff, you know. So, so that
(38:07):
had ended up happening in this case that they had
to identify three of the bodies, one of them actually
being the ex wife because she was so charred. And
when they did the autopsies on all of the bodies,
they said that all of them had gunshot wounds and
some of them and this is kind of cool too
from a forensic perspective, that some of them died as
a result of their gunshot wound and some of them
(38:28):
died from the fire. And the way that you could
tell that is that you open the trachea and the
lungs and you could see if their soot in the lungs,
that means that they were alive in breathing at the
time where the fire was burning. So if he came
in and like shot someone and they and they died
right then and there, before the fire even happened, they
wouldn't have any soot in their lungs. And the craziest
(38:50):
part of the story is the eight year old that
was shot in the face at the door survived. Yeah,
and now she's she's older and she talks about it,
which she's she's actually an advocate for gun violence, which
is cool. She's in her twenties, right, Yeah, but she's
on Instagram and she goes to all these events and stuff,
and yeah, I mean I can't I can't even imagine.
(39:11):
Not only did she get shot in the face as
a child, which is terrible, but her grandparents got killed,
her aunts and uncles like traumatic and like seeing everybody
run out knowing they burned to death. I mean, like
that's some that's some shit, man, for real.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, let's end on a lighter note, which is this
article you really call recipes from the Grave. So this
is one TikTok trend I could really get behind. This
girl went to cemeteries and went around the people's gravestones,
took recipes that they had etched on.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
The gravestones and then baked them. Yeah, I love this.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So in the photo it's a there's a recipe for
sugar cookie for the what are they called sprit Sprits
or whatever, the sprits cooks, the Sprits cookies that they're
the ones that are specific to go in the gun, right, Yeah, yes,
so there's a recipe for that how to make those
cookies and they are kind of the best. They're like
one of the best ones to have.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
So I never even thought of that that people put
like their favorite recipe on their tombstone, which is so cool,
and honestly, like, I hope she would make a cookbook
out of it.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I just think it sounds awesome.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think it's really cool. I believe, like a full
year ago, somebody asked us how if we'd want to.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Be cremated or buried or what.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
And while I firmly believe I want to be cremated,
I also now like this is such a cool idea
that I could see myself. Do you can get cremated
and then like my grandparents got cremated and then have tombstones.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
They got their remains buried.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
What if you know my pound cake recipe that everybody
wants so badly. I'm like, you have to wait till
I die. You can't, and you can't because that's not
even your recipe. That's like our grandparents recipe and they
like they specifically did not want it to be given up.
So you can't do that. That's not cool. So she
was asked if she went engrave on her own her
(41:06):
own recipe on her own grave zone. So she said
she was torn between including mac and cheese or clam linguini.
So I guess everybody clam laninguini. I would like to
know that recipe, So do you have one that you
would put on there?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Then? God, I don't know. I can't.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I can't say, like which one would be. That's like
so hard to say, Like what dish represents me as
a person, Like would it be a dessert?
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Would it be this?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Although everybody does love my whips ricotta that is that
is what I bring to all of my parties, but
it's not my recipe, so that would be kind of cheating.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Will you have to?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Like I think you need to take recipes to learn
how to make something and then evolve it over time
to make it your own. Yeah, I just you know
what though, The thing is like it's a good recipe
that I got online, and it's it doesn't need to
be altered.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I mean I do use that special.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Glue and free bread and I you know, I burn
it things like that, but it's you don't need to
mess with certain things. Like I can't imagine how you
can make that better, you know what I mean? Like,
but I don't have like a I love cooking and
I think I cook well. But I cook well because
I can read directions and I find good recipes and
(42:24):
I cook them. I if you told me to go
in the kitchen and whip something up, like I can't,
you know what I mean? Like just everybody's different. It's
not like like when I decorate my house. It's like
I see visions in my head and they come out
and I could I could have them come out with
art or like the kids projects, Like I have visions
(42:47):
like that that I could execute with cooking.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
I don't really know how to do that. If that
makes any sense. No, it does, because I watched that
show Chopped a lot, which is like you know, they
get a basket mystery items and they have to come
up with a dish, and they're all they're always super
weird things that you wouldn't normally have. I think like
my husband would be really good at that show. He
could just walk around the kitchen find really random things.
(43:11):
They come up with a great dish. I'm more like,
I have chicken, I have taco sauce, I have tortillas.
Great Like I'm kind of closed minded in that way, Yeah,
but I do. I do cook with like lots of
crazy stuff and when I put it together, it's good.
But I just a lot of times I'm just like,
how would you even know to do this? And this
(43:32):
all of these steps and everything, Like I just wouldn't
even know how to do it. So I guess some
people have that with other aspects of their life too.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Maybe I'll get better as I get more.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Experience and stuff, but I'm just more of a find
good recipe.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Read it, cook it kind of gal.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Well, you guys should let us know what recipe you
would put on your tombstone if you had to, because
I think it's really defining trait of everybody with their
signatures could be. So I think it's a really cool
thing that people I do too, for sure. Yeah, that
girl definitely should make a cookbook. I think especially people
like that listen to our show or other true crime
shows will be super into it. Yeah, that would be
(44:12):
like a cool coffee table book. But is it considered?
You can find me, find you and no.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
No, because it's just you're just the curator of it.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
And whoever writes the movie about the Santa Sarcophagus reinstating
Christmas magic can thank me for that. All Right, Well,
thank you guys so much. We hope you have a
great weekend. We will see you next week with some
more news stories that you could have great discussions at
the Christmas table about. And we don't even know what
(44:44):
it is yet because the news hasn't even happened yet,
so stay tuned. Thanks thank you for listening to Mother
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