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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
will be talking about health updates from celebrities like Teddy
Mellencamp and Wendy Williams, horrific deaths involving homemade lemicello, and
of course a tragedy that occurred at a birthing center
and more. So let's get started with the celebrity news.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, let's start off with Teddy Mellencamp. So yesterday
she kind of shocked all of her Instagram followers because
she posted that she had been suffering from these severe
headaches for the last couple of months and it was
so bad that she required hospitalization on Tuesday, and when
they did scans, they found tumors on her brain. I
(01:01):
hate to say this, but this is really not good
news for her, No, especially really bad. She's been having
issues with melanoma for the last couple of years that
she's been really vocal about and it just doesn't seem good.
So she's had a bunch of surgeries, at least sixteen
surgeries over the past couple of years to remove all
(01:22):
this melanoma from her, which is just you would think
that it's kind of shocking because she's only forty three
years old. But I mean, Chloe Kardashian was diagnosed with
melanoma too. You see it in young people. Sometimes you
see it in teenagers. It's really scary. But in the
world of pathology, this is a general rule. When you
(01:43):
see one tumor in an organ, most of the time
that could be a primary cancer that originated in that organ.
So if you got a scan don and saw that
you had one tumor in your lung, it's more than
likely tumor that originated from your love as opposed to
spreading from another site. But when you do a scan
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and you see multiple tumors in one organ, that usually
indicates that it's a metastasis. Now that rule is not
set in stone. There are times when different things present
in different ways, but for the most part, multiple tumors
in the brain are representative of a metastasis, which means
that the melanoma has spread to her brain. I mean,
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this must just be really scary for her because it
looks like she had to shave all of her hair
off yesterday to get this, which is obviously like the
least of her problems at this point. But last night
she had to go into emergency surgery to get a
couple of the tumors removed, and she said the others
are going to be treated with radiation.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So one of the reasons that they are removing the
tumors is because they need to get an official diagnosis
of what it is. Because even though, like I just said,
multiple tumors usually are representative of metastasis, you can't just
assume that by looking at the scans. So you actually
have to look at the tissue under the microscope. And
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in this case, they'll take one of the tumors out,
or a piece of one of the tumors out, and
they'll send it to pathology and they'll get the diagnosis
to see if it is a primary because she didn't
say it was cancer, but a primary tumor of the
brain versus a metastasis. Now, one of the things that
is a little weird to me is that she said
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she's been having these debilitating headaches for months. I don't
know how often she's getting checked, but I would think
that a person that has a history of cancer that's
having headaches this would be a red flag to any physician,
So I'm not sure if she just hasn't been to
the doctor in a while and was just dealing with
it on her own until it got to the point
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where she could no longer deal with it, because they
said it looked like it was there for a couple
months at least.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, so, she's actually been in quite a scandalous situation
in the last couple of months. She just was exposed
for having this affair with her child's horse trainer, and
it's been all over the news, and she's filed for
divorce from her husband. So I'm wondering if possibly she
confuse the headaches for all the stress she's been under
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lately and just really didn't think further into it. I
know that's like ignorant to say, but she's had a
lot going on in her life. It's kind of outrageous.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
To me to think that you're that age and you're
married and have children and you have a really really
I mean, melanoma is not a joke cancer diagnos it's
it's very deadly cancer. To just think that your brain
would even be anywhere near wanting.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
To cheat on your husband. It's a little bizarre to me,
but these are Hollywood people, I guess. Well, and there
was scandal because the horse trainer's wife was apparently pregnant
or had just given birth at the time the fair
was exposed and all this other stuff, So I'm not
saying that's an excuse to ignore medical symptoms. But I
know and pop culture news that she had been going
(05:02):
through a lot more than she normally had been in
the last couple of months, So I'm wondering if all
of that costs her to just confuse the symptoms she
was having with undergoing severe stress from filing for divorce
and having this scandal go publicly on all the newspapers
and everything and tabloids and feature it on every single
prop culture podcast. So that's all I could think of it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I hate to say this, but when you have metastasis
from melanoma, it's it's usually not good. The survival rate
after five years with this diagnosis is not very high
at all. So I mean, obviously she's got money and
the best doctors hopefully at her at her fingertips to
help her get through this, but I'm not sure that
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they're going to be able to help her.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I'm curious. It seems like she just got surgery
last night, so I'm curious what they're gonna come out
and say. I mean, obviously it's really nobody's business what
her formal diagnosis is, but she's putting all of this well,
no it is, it's ours because she's putting it out there,
so she needs to finish up. You don't give don't
pull a Courtney Kardashian and give us half the story,
like either tell us or don't tell us.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was That's that's my opinion on it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I will say I was surprised when she showed the
room of people at the hospital there to support her
and saw that her husband, who she just cheated on,
was in the room. And obviously that's the mother of
his children and they were together a really long time.
And you won't be he's a.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Good he's a good person, because it is it's very
easy if someone cheats on you to be like, f you,
you did this to me. But I mean, now, this
is this is this is a serious diagnosis. If it
turns out that she does have metastatic melanoma, I mean,
this is going to be life changing for his involvement
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with his children. He might be a full time parent
soon without her help, the children won't have a mom,
Like this is a big deal. So, I mean, he's
a good person.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I thought she had a pretty good I don't know
if you watched her Instagram stories, but I thought she
had a pretty good attitude about it, Like she was
laughing about her new look with her shaved head and
then these weird like monitors they had on her forehead
and trying to joke. I mean, that's all you could
do in that situation, because it's it's horrible, and sometimes
it just makes the situation a little easier to digest
(07:19):
when you're going through something that's scary. Yeah, I mean,
just I just hope that it ends up being some
benign thing, but I mean, just from what I know,
the chances of that are not great. Yeah. Well, let's
get into Wendy Williams. So she's been in the news
a lot recently. Back in twenty twenty two, a corp
(07:39):
had ordered Wendy to be in this legal guardianship via
this lawyer, Sabrina Morrissey. I don't know how familiar you
are with this, but there was this really weird thing
where her financial advisor at Wells Fargo had somehow contacted
a core and requested a guardianship because they said her
behavior was kind of all over the place and put
(08:00):
a freeze on her bank accounts. Would seem really odd
that a bank could do that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don't you think like she was spending too much money
or something?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I guess in their inner this is not clear because
there was a lot of controversy about this, because they're like, Okay,
so if your bank just thinks you're acting weird, they
could just puzzled on your account and contact the court.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think just what happened to Ricky the other day
that he had some weird charge on his credit card,
and well Spargo called him right away and was like,
are you trying to make this purchase it? Maybe it
started off like that. I mean, you're talking about were
normal people that have normal amounts of cash in the bank.
You're talking about people that have millions of dollars in
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accounts and stuff, and they probably have a higher level
of staff monitoring the activity on these types of accounts
and may have noticed that there was some kind of
a trigger that Okay, Wendy Willilliams was spending sixty thousand
dollars a month, and all of a sudden it went
up to two hundred thousand dollars a month, and like,
what's what's happened. It's something triggered in the system, and
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maybe that's when they brought it to someone's attention and
it went from there. Kind of I'm not really I'm
not sure that the bank employee would be able to
make a diagnosis of what was wrong with her and
get a guardianship put on her, but maybe the initial
events were triggered by something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So this is another This is another thing I'm confused about.
So just the other night I was watching this show
called The Curious Case of and they were talking about
bam Marjara and like what's going on with him and
his family tried to put him in this I guess
conservatorship or guardianship, and there's you know, confusion that those
are interchangeable terms. Do you know Beth Karris, the legal expert,
(09:50):
She's oh, yeah, yeah, So I'm kind of obsessed with
her on this show. She's like really amazing, She's like
my new Nancy. I'm like really into everything she has
to say on the show. But she was explaining that
but there is a difference, And on this show she
said a guardian has control of a person's medical care
and living arrangements, while a conservator just has financial control.
So I guess in this case in New York, they
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have control of Wendy Williams finances in addition to her
medical care and living arrangements. So after she was issued
this legal guardianship, they put her in this like ol
the senior care facility that she's been living in in downtown.
And this really sad video surface of her talking on
the phone in her window and she says, it's like
(10:32):
living in a prison.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, this is what I'm not one hundred percent certain
what's going on with this story, but it seems as
if she was diagnosed. We talked about this. It was
probably almost a year ago, honestly that we talked about this,
that she was diagnosed with frontal temporal dementia and alcohol
induced cognitive impairment. Okay, so they came up with this
(10:56):
diagnosis that she drank so much that she she essentially
damaged her brain permanently and was never going to be
able to function normally again. And this could be part
of the problem because now that she's sobered up, and
maybe that was a misdiagnosis, and maybe and maybe it
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was temporary issues that she was having. And I mean, listen,
this woman is on the film with a TMZ reporter, right,
and she's standing at the window of this building while
the TMZ reporter is down on the ground recording her,
and she's crying and saying that she's not allowed out
and she's trapped in there. She seems pretty aware of
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what the hell's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I listened to the
clips of the audio from this interview, and she seems
one hundred percent coherent and knows exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, so I don't. I don't know, like what's going
on with her diagnosis. And I mean, we saw videos
of her last year and she looked she looked crazy,
like her eyes were huge, and she was talking nonsense.
But apparently she's sobered up over the past year, and
it seems like she might be getting better. And I
(12:09):
don't know how that works. If you're under one of
these medical guardianships, how often do they really evaluate to
make sure that you still fall within the terms, Because
maybe she really did need that at the time, but
now she might not need that, so they need to
reevaluate it and see if that is really necessary at
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this point.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So this really reminds me of Britney Spears and what
happened with her, because I think now that we're so
removed from Britney Spears being put in the conservatorship, I
think it seemed like with in her case that she
was maybe going through a really tough round of like
postpartum depression or something, and everybody around her just really
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was not sympathetic and just blew her off as being crazy,
which was driving her further into the hole. And I
think something similar like this is happening with Wendy Williams.
I mean, she was this immensely famous person. She in
her younger days had struggles. She had so many miscarriages.
She essentially had this miracle baby, her son, then her
(13:13):
husband was having an affair with her, had a daughter
with somebody else. All she wanted her whole life was
a daughter. And then you find out your husband of
so many years had a daughter with another woman behind
your back. So I think that then you know her
health wasn't great. Passes. She has television she.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Has Graves disease, which is an autoimmune disease of the thyroid.
And that's another thing too, because if your thyroid hormones
are out of whack, that could cause erratic behavior too.
It causes you to get really hot, you can't sleep,
you have anxiety, weight loss. And talking about her eyes
looking a little outrageous, it causes inflammation of the tissues
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surrounding the eyes, so it gives the appearance of your
eyes bulging out. So it's not really that she was
literally crazy and going nuts to just her eyes just
looked a little alarming, but it's because of the Graves disease,
so that's another thing to take into consideration as well.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I just like, I guess the point of what
I'm getting at is, I think, even though these people
are rich and famous and they have money, they're also people,
and there's only so much stress you can handle. So
I can see that maybe she was having a bit
of a breakdown, But it doesn't mean that you like
could just like shove her in an assisted living facility
the rest of her life. I mean, she clearly seems
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like at this point she got the help she needed,
and now her lawyers are trying to get her out
of this guardianship. She's gonna be reevaluated next week by
a doctor and they're gonna try to push it through
to court and see if they could get her free. Yeah,
they need to intervene in way faster than they did
with Brittany. Brittany's I mean, we should just have a
whole episode about that one day. It's just really incredibly
(14:52):
sad with what happened with Brittany, And I mean just
being a person that's gone through postpartum and just just
all of the hormones and the emotions and everything after that,
and just imagine being Britney Spears and people telling you
you're fat when you're barely fat, and just like the
whole entire thing of it. It just makes completely complete
(15:13):
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Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, so let's get into this true crime story. So
after Christmas, this couple was on vacation in Vietnam. They
went to a local bar. So at the bar there
served lemonicello by the bartender. They go on their way
and later they're found dead in their hotel room. So
back in twenty twenty two, I wrote a high profile
death dissection on poisoning methanol poisoning in particular because they
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had discovered after they did the autopsies on this couple
that they died from methanol poisoning from having this homemade
lemonchello at a Vietnamese bar. So back in two thousand
and two, the reason that I wrote this high profile,
high profile death dissection on methanol poisoning was because in
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East London, South Africa, twenty one teenagers died, ranging from
thirteen to seventeen years old. You remember that they all
died at that bar and they were being served alcohol underage.
And so one of the things is is that, especially
when you're traveling, it's something to keep in mind because
this has happened more than once. This is not the
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first time of this happening. The alcohol that we drink
at a bar, when you get vodka or anything like that,
is called ethanol, and ethanol is considered toxic to humans too,
but they've deemed it safe if you have small amounts.
It's safe to consume in small amounts. Methanol, on the
other hand, is a type of alcohol that they have
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I was going to say, they serve. They serve at
home depot, They sell it for us construction workers, mechanics
and things like that to use it painters. But it's
toxic to humans and it's never deemed safe in any amount.
So something as small as one to eight ounces of
it could kill you. It's just very, very deadly. Now,
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the reason that people use methanol. This person that was
making the homemade Leamachello probably is because methanol is significantly
cheaper than ethanol is. So, for example, you can get
a five gallon container jug of methanol for about forty dollars.
And if you look at something like one of the
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cheapestvakas like Vladimir Vaka or.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Something right ross vodka.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's gross. But I'm saying, like the legal ethanol, right,
that's it's cheap. It's gross, Like most people don't go
for that one unless you're like seventeen and making jellow
shots or something. Right, But a one point seventy five
liter bottle of that is is ten dollars, which is
cheap for that much vodka.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Right, But if you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Kind of put that into gallons five gallons of Vladimir's vodka,
that would cost one hundred and eighty dollars. So the
cheapest ethanol is that expensive compared to methanol that's forty.
So people who don't really know, they.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Just say, oh, it's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
It's alcohol that are making drinks like this to try
to stretch their product or whatever they're trying to do.
They they poison people by accident because they don't really
they don't really understand that methanol is not the same
as ethanol, and it's very, very toxic. So you hear
about these deaths from time to time, and it's it
involves people on vacation a lot, and it's really really scary. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It does seem to happen a lot in vacation touristy
areas abroad, which is really unusual. And I don't know
if they're just trying, you know, like the main motivation
has to just be to save money, because it doesn't
seem like in any of these cases we cover that
they're trying to poison a bunch of No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They absolutely aren't. It's just it could be something as
simple as like, oh, don't we don't have any vodkas?
So I have this other thing sitting here, I'll just
use it. It's the same thing both alcohol. I mean,
it's really scary, to be honest with you, But you
hear about this sometimes in other countries when people go
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and visit that they actually will. Let's say you have
a leader of vodka and then you use, you make
a couple shots, and then you just fill the rest
of the bottle up with methanol just to kind of
thin out the product, because when you're drinking it, you
won't really notice a difference. I mean because technically, when
you drink alcohol, you are just kind of poisoning yourself
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just enough to feel a little woozy before you die, right,
and you could die from ethanol too, trust me, but
you could have permanent visual damage and just drinking an
ounce of it, which announces not very much fluid if
you think about cann of soda is twelve ounces, right,
But then you start with vomiting, abdominal pain, and then
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you can have central nervous system depression and then eventually death,
which happened to this couple, which is terrible.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I mean when I was we weren't even allowed to
combine bottles of the same alcohol, which is like crazy
that people.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Can just I mean, it's just better to have that role,
no it, and it's there for a reason because clearly
something happened. They weren't just like, let's just be smart
and get ahead of this.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So you're saying if you had a bottle of what's
a good vodka? I don't even if I had two
half empty bottles of like kettle one or Tito's, and
I only had room really for one of them on
the shelf. You cannot take one of them and pour
it into the other, at least in Pennsylvania. I don't
know about elsewhere, but I guess there's concerns with it
if those are two brands. No, I'm saying, like if
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you have two empty, half empty bottles of Kettle one.
I was just giving as an example. If you have
two half bottles of Kettle one, for example, you can't
combine the bottles because in Pennsylvania is what I'm getting at,
because I don't know about the laws in other states.
But if I'm assuming that's in place, because if there's
a pro with one of the bottles, you want to
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look at the lot number, see where it came from,
everything like that. Whereas if you're pouring them into each other,
and you also can't pour it out of the bottle
and pour it back in like once it's out, it's out, well.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Listen, it makes sense because this is how you could
have mistakes if you just have a general role that
it's like, you can't pour anything into an into a bottle.
There's no way of because what if you poured the
cattle one out, for example, and then by accident you
poured it back into scotch or whatever it is. I mean,
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that's also would be false advertising to be selling the
more expensive voka to somebody, you know, things like that,
or mixing alcohols and people might be allergic to whatever's
in vodka but not scotch or you know what I mean.
And it's just better to have the rule.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, I mean yeah, because it could easily scotch, it
would I know, you're trying to use examples. Scotch wouldnt
happen because Scott's is brown. It could easily happen with
gin or tequila or something like that. You have the
allergy read in, you just have false advertising. Certain alcohols
are worth different amount of money. I mean, there's a
million problems that could happen. And when I say you
can't do it, it doesn't mean that people don't do it,
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because I definitely see really shitty dive bars for people
are one hundred percent to do and stuff like that. Yeah,
but it's just.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's just really scary to think that you're, you know,
you you're drinking something at a store or something and
or at a restaurant and you're just trusting what you're
getting is what they're telling you it is. And there's
probably been many times that you that you or I
have ingested food or drink that were not one hundred
percent sure. Did that fall on the floor? Is that
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really the vodka I ordered? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Like, I don't know that. That's just that's just the
thought I have.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's just it's scary because you do ingesting something is
a vulnerability that you give up to people when you
go out.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, didn't Lisa paren say this in her book something
along I'm paraphrasing, but it was something along the lines
of where like always one step away from being poisoned
in a sense, like it's just a difference of dosage.
It's really it's really true.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I mean, you just it's it's it's like scary, it's
really terrifying if you think about it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Really, No, it is okay. Medical news, this one is horrible.
In Arizona, this woman went into labor. She was planning
to have her baby at a birthing center. So at
forty two weeks she goes to this birthing center and
she told the midwives that she was in a lot
of pain and that she wanted to go to the hospital.
They kept blowing her off, telling her they were because
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she was overreacting because it was her first kid, even
though her and her husband.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Kept all shame listen, listen. I honestly that part of
it I just completely understand, because I don't think that
a first a person that's in labor for the first time,
especially a birthing center with no drugs, realizes quite how
bad it hurts. And when you say you're in a
lot of pain, like no, shit, like they she didn't
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understand that she was in a lot of pain because
it was the first time she was having a baby.
It's not like, well, this was idiot, like you're the
only problem. No, obviously there was other problems, but the
pain part of it and getting blown off because she
was in pain is not a problem to me, because
every single person that's a known known right.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, after thirty hours in labor, which is so long,
they finally realized she's having trouble breathing, they call emergency workers,
they take her to the hospital, and she had to
have an emergency c section there and then the baby
didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I feel about
these birthing centers because I know a lot of people
have great experience with them. I personally say, if I
ever if I had another kid, I probably would have
just had it at home or squatted by a tree,
because I would have had better treatment than I had
at the actual hospital. So I mean, that's my personal experience.
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Everybody's got a bad experience. And listen, like, unfortunately babies die,
whether it's in a birthing center out of the hospital,
because I used to work at a hospital and did
plenty of autopsies of these same exact similar situations where
the person was in the hospital. So I don't want
to necessarily give these birthing centers like a bad name
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because of this, because this happens all the time, and
I don't really know what the circumstances are around it
because I didn't get to read all of the notes
and what happened and what.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Was the cause of death.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But I do know that there were midwives there who
for those of you who don't know midwives could be.
They're healthcare professionals and there's all different kinds of levels
of what they could do, but they're a person that's
trained to take care of OBGYN patients, So it's more
of a holistic approach to taking care of a mother,
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especially that's getting ready to give birth and having a
more comfortable environment, not so clinical in the hospital. There's
usually not drugs associated with these births, and you know,
when you're in all this pain, they're supposed to be
there help you get through it and to calm you
down and all that stuff. And I mean, honestly, I
gave birth naturally, and although it definitely did suck, really
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really bad as far as the pain goes, the second
the kid comes out, there's this euphoria that comes over
you and you just feel like you just took the
biggest xanax of your life and you're just chill. It
doesn't hurt anymore. And I got up and was like,
I have to go to the bathroom, and I went
to the bathroom within ten minutes of giving birth. And
sometimes when you get all these drugs and you get
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an epidoral and stuff, you can't you can't walk around
and it just takes longer to recover afterwards like that.
So I am a fan of the of having birth naturally,
and these midwives help millions of women a year get
through this.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But well, I don't think the problem is with the
birthing center in general. I think the problem was they
did an investigation at this particular place and they found
the midwives there were not necessarily following a good protocol.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, and I don't know what the level of them was.
So a midwife usually isn't a doctor. They usually work
along with an obg wyan. But some of them can
be nurses with a master's level. They could even have
doctorate's actually, so I don't know if it was a
highly trained nurse midwife or just person that was just
another kind of healthcare professional doing it. I don't know
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what the deal is. But yeah, when they did an
investigation over the court, because this happened a year ago,
that they discovered that they weren't taking the fetal vitals
often enough as they should, and they weren't taking the
mother's vitals as well, like her blood pressure and things
like that. I think they said they were supposed to
do it every fifteen minutes or whatever it was, and
they weren't following the protocol with that. So I mean
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this could have I don't, like I said, I don't
really know what the pathology involved was, but this could
have been really bad and they could have lost her
as well.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, so they said one of them wives was fined
nine thousand dollars, but if she paid that fine within
ten days, she only had to pay two hundred of
the nine thousand dollars, which I think is just further
pissing people off.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
But I wonder, though, how do you know if you're
a so that is that place seems like it's still open,
right if you're and you don't know about this story.
So say you're a person that's looking into doing this,
how do you find out that there was this event there?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, I guess because this happened in late twenty twenty three,
So I want to say they filed the complaint against
them pretty shortly after. And I think if you just
google the name of the facility, it's gonna come up.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't know too much about the whole Obgyn situation.
I actually have a friend that I should have texted
prior to this, but I'm pretty sure that she's saying
she was forty two weeks. I'm pretty sure that they
don't want you going that much further over your due
date because of increase risk of complications. So I was
that was kind of striking to me in the beginning
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that they that they did that, but that might not
be a thing. That's just something that I've personally experienced,
like if I was due and didn't have that because
I went over with you and with the two other
my two other daughters, and every time it was just
like your due date happens, and if that baby doesn't
come by forty one weeks, like your schedule to come
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in that day. And I was always told that it
was because there was just an increased risk of complications.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I could text my friend and ask her if that's true,
Like I said, I mean, you do want to know
that this happened, but you can't be naive to think
that this just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Though, no, you definitely get I think. I think the
bottom line is, like you're you know, one of your
best friends died what we consider a really good hospital
right due to like a freak thing. So I think
in it was.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It was it wasn't really a freak thing, though it
was a hand a handful of negligent things that ended
up being that caused her to die. It's not like
it was a medical reason. It was just a handful
of missed things and and and not following protocols and
things like.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That that caused her to die.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, So it's a terrible thing for anyone, your friends,
your family, the people going through it. The whole entire
thing is just a terrible thing for all involved to
have to go through.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I just think before giving birth, and obviously sometimes you're
in like a situation where you just you know, you
have to give birth in a Krispy Kream parking lot,
or like.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Your you had to name your baby Glaze.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, like or you just have to you know, you
don't have control. But if you're planning on giving birth
at a specific place, it is certainly up to you
as the patient to do as much research as possible
and look into it before you commit to that. And obviously,
like bad happen sometimes, but you got to look into
the reasons why, and that's what matters the most. So
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this is just like really sad and you obviously don't
want anybody going through this, but hopefully it just doesn't
happen again. I Mean, another thing, unfortunately is I've seen
with all the autopsies that I've done in situations like
that that you could just look over it in hindsight
and say they should have done this, they should have
done this, This wouldn't have happened. I mean, how terrible
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is it that you go into the hospital to give
birth and your fetus is alive and then you leave
with the baby.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Not coming home with you. It's just it's so unacceptable.
And if it's the same thing we could talk about
though with plane accidents. It's just like you have so
many flights every single day and there's a plane accident
and then everybody gets scared of it. Well, there's millions
and millions of babies being born every day and not
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and then when you hear of one death, it scares
the shit out of you. But like it's just not
that common.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, all right. We have some church controversy, So the
Church of England has ruled that non alcoholic wine and
gluten free bread cannot be used during Holy Communion anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is the one story that's going to make me
go on a rant about my feelings about the religion,
and specifically the Catholic religion. A lot of people ask
me all the time, what religion are you and I
just kind of stay out of it. But I'm like,
this is the time to speak up about this and
why I got so burned by Catholicism and because I
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think that I think that there's a lot of hypocrisy
in it and it really just it really it really
drives me nuts and I don't want to be a
part of it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Like this.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
There's been priests, right that were molesting children and sent
to other churches so they could just skate free and
get out of it, and then they were allowed to
take communion at their new jobs. Right, But you're not
letting people who eat gluten or don't eat gluten and
don't want to drink alcohol do it. It just seems
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it seems so outrageous, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Well, it is because I just think it's bullshit, because like,
if you, if you really want to boil it down,
it should be fucking blood of a human and flesh
of a human, not a not a rice cracker and
wine right, so like who it.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Says it needs to be made of wheat flour and
the wine must be fermented grape juice. I just think, listen,
you know how I told you I follow this Orthodox
Jew influencer. You don't know, I don't know what her
name is, but she's she's awesome and she answers questions
like this. One of the things I love about her
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religion is that they can just make exceptions for things
that are practical in a lot of situations. So, for example,
I feel like if you brought this up and said, hey,
we I know they don't do communion and stuff, but
I'm just saying, for an example, like if you brought
this up, they would say, Okay, well, we want everybody
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to have the wheat flour and the fermented grape juice,
but in the exception of a person that's having a
health issue, we'll make exceptions for that. That it seems
like they do that in a lot of situations because
they ultimately want people to live their best life and
to be healthy while doing it right. What is the
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problem you have children that can't have gluten? I mean,
it just it just sounds so ridiculous. And I don't know,
I mean, and my whole I have a whole bias
because and this is what I'm going to tell you guys,
my story. So I was I was going to Catholics
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school in ninth grade when I got pregnant with Maria,
right and I got pregnant with her, and they told
and Maria's dad also went to high school with me
and was in my grade. They told my mother that
I couldn't. I was not allowed to get an abortion
because that went against the Catholic Church. But I wasn't
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allowed to stay in school being pregnant. But Maria's dad
was allowed to stay in school. I wasn't, So I
got essentially kicked out of school in ninth grade. He
graduated from He graduated from there too, exactly, which is
awesome because he had no involvement and it was just
my problem. So I got kicked out of school. And
then when we went to baptize Maria, it was this
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huge thing. They wouldn't let us baptize her in church
because they thought that that would be inappropriate, so we
had to go baptize her in the rectory behind closed doors.
And that was when my mom was finally like, fuck
this religion. I'm over it, because we used to go
to church every week and good members of the church
and everything like that, and I think that my mom,
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just my mom finally was like, Okay, I've had enough
here because of the way that we got treated in
that situation. And you would think that you have a
child that I was fifteen years old, that had an
unfortunate situation fall upon me, that they would be supportive
because I was choosing life for my child, which is
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what they want, right, but not at all, not helping
at all, not I don't know the whole thing. I
just kind of been like over Catholicism since since you
basically but what.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, I just I also find it hypocritical that they
find it problematic that a fifteen year old gives birth
to a kid, but they got no problem sexualizing children
over and over and over again and not punishing the
offenders for it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So yeah, which is interesting because that was all going
down around the same time. So just all of that
and it's just whatever, Like, if you do it, that's fine.
I don't care what religion people are. I'm interested in
learning about it. I still love Catholicism for its uh.
I Like I love the way churches look, and I
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love the art, and I love I love a lot
of the history behind it. But at the same time,
it's just the rules. And this one just triggered me
today when I read it, that just it's just like,
why are you standing firm on this right now? It's
just weird.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think church is like a really awesome community that
I find hard to mimic in other type of environments.
You know, you have a set day, everybody goes. They
most people, if you go to the same place, know
each other, and most people are also really willing to
help each other out when you're in need, but you
know they're just is constant hypocrisy. I often find that
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the most Christian people I know.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Are they're the worst. Exactly. It's it's you're you're one
hundred percent right, And I could give you real world
examples of that happening.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
So and that's not everybody, but I'm just saying I
have often found that the people that are the most
religious are truly terrible people.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yes, so I agree, no values at all, so whatever.
I didn't want to get into this whole like anti
religion thing, Like listen, my closest family members go to
church every Sunday and they're all up in it. But
I just for me, I was kind of like, yet, no,
I don't. I don't really, I don't really find the
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need in my life for that.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
So I do problem with religion. You know.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It does suck, though, because I do like the idea
of a like a community of having, you know, people
that you want your children around, that they're all they're
all kind of on the same wavelength as far as well,
I mean they're supposed to be, as far as and
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rules and things like that. I mean, the culture of
it and the group of it is a nice thing
that I would like, but I just can't do certain
aspects of it like that.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
No, all right, let's move on to questions of the day.
Every Friday on the at mother Nose Death Instagram account,
we put up a question box and you guys could
ask us whatever you want. First, what are some common
mistakes you see on celebrity autopsy reports.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, that's a good one. I see labeling errors, which
is because sometimes with the autopsy reports you also get
other reports toxicology and stuff like that. And there's been
times where I see the wrong date of birth, the
wrong name, the wrong body site, and things like that,
which is a huge problem. But that happens in the
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real world too, so I guess I'm glad to see
it happens with celebrities too a lot of times too.
I don't know if I've ever talked about this, but
when we do an autopsy, sometimes people have a template,
which is it just basically goes through every single body
system and it'll say GI system and then it'll say
large bell, small bell, appendix s gallbladder, and it has
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this pre written stuff in it, which when you go
through the autopsy, you should change every single thing on
there to fit the autopsy that you just did. So
sometimes the standard autopsy and this is this is a
simple mistake that's done commonly, which is why I'm kind
of anti template. But a common one is it'll say, oh,
the appendix is present and it's unremarkable, and you know
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there's no pathology scene. But then you learn from the
patient that you were examining they actually had an ependectomy.
So imagine your child dies or your husband dies, and
you get the autopsy report knowing that your husband had
his appendix removed and it's saying that his appendix was fine, Well,
how do you trust the rest of the autopsy report
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if they got that wrong, because they should have looked
to make sure it was missing. And that's like simple
mistakes like that and a lot of it too. Is
is just this thing I talk about all the time
with celebrity autopsies, is that they just don't follow protocol
one hundred percent all the time because they're famous, and
and that's how things can get messed up sometimes.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
All right, have you ever thought about milling your own
wheat to help with gluten intolerance? I was just talking
to somebody about this at an engagement party a couple
of weeks ago. Actually, But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I am, how does how does that help it?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Because it's like all organic and you have like full
control of the soil and everything like that. I guess,
So you'd have to you'd have to actually grow it
and everything. Yeah, here's the thing. I am interested, But
like I have very small, very small property, and I
just can't see my little tidy backyard growing wheat and
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then like having any space to process it at all.
So probably not for me right now. I don't think
she's saying growing it though, like milling, like that's getting
the grain and doing it yourself, I guess. But don't
you think you're more in control if you're actually growing
it yourself and then doing it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I would, I wouldn't do any of it. There's there's
different kinds of flowers. I don't have a problem actually
with gluten free at all. When I cook, I cook
for my entire family gluten free all the time. I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
The only flower I have in my house is like
goldfish crackers and stuff that.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
My kids want. Sometimes. I don't use it ever in baking,
cooking or anything, and I think my stuff tastes good.
I'm making pizza tonight. The last crust I made was banging.
The only problem I have with gluten free stuff is
when I go out, it's terrible. Well, I mean at home.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
At home, it's fine, all the flowers and everything. Yeah,
when you make your own stuff, it's totally fine. But
I agree with you. When you're out, it's horrible. And
the things I really think are hard to mimic is
donuts and begels, which donuts begels and like really philly
soft pretzels is one that just I want so bad
(44:15):
and I love that place around. It's okay, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
It doesn't have the same consistency, and that's part of
the deliciousness of it. And I've never tried to make
them myself.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And Annie Anne's pretzel those are so good and it's
torturous at them all when you.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Smell them, or cinnabony cinna freaking torture all that.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, But I will say I have not tried to
make my own begels or pretzels or anything. But I
have made my own glute and free cinnamon rolls, and
you can make those pretty good. And that bakery near
us also makes pretty good cinnamon rolls, you know the
one in the one in Oakland. Oh, yeah, that place
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is pretty good. Yeah, that place is really so.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Ours not good. I business itself not good.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, that that's I will say. Her bake goods are
pretty delicious, like most of the ones. Yeah, that pretty
much everything.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Her zones are good and stuff. You know what, I'm
gonna ask Lynn to try to make us Philly soft
pretzels because she's the ultimate gluten fie breaker. But she
will never open a business. But it's nice to have
a person that's like, really good at it and willing
to try different things.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
So I'll ask her and she may be the best
wedding cake of all time. That was so delicious.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
No, remember at your wedding that somebody So Maria had
a canoli cake for her wedding, and somebody so the
way that Lynn Lynn is one of our friends and
she's also has Celiac, so she bakes really amazing things
with a canoli cake. She had like little canolis around
the bottom of the cake. And before Maria and Ricky
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cut the cake and did the whole smash in your
face thing, someone ate the canolis off of the cake
at the wedding and we couldn't believe it, and we
have no idea.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Who it was.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
So of course, who's the first person we thought that
did it was Pop Up and we go up to
him and we're like, Dad, you didn't like pick the
canolis off? You know what I just thought of? It
was probably fucking Gabe.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
That's a gay.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
He does that shit. Like I'll put something out and
then all of a sudden I see his like teethmarks
in something that he shouldn't be eating right away because
it's like not ready yet, or like I bring my
lunch over and fast up to that because that shit's
been bothering me, Like I'm mad about it. It's kind
of funny in hindsight, but I'm like.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Who did it.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
It's it's like, that's like the main attraction is the
wedding cake in the center of the pictures.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, it's kind of weird. There's another there's another story
too from my wedding. Another mystery where you know my
dearest Kane cousin, Devin Kane said she got in a
fight with somebody at the wedding and she has no
idea who it was, and she is the person in
the world. Wait what she said? She was arguing with
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somebody and I'm like, well, who wasn't She doesn't look
like she doesn't remember what. So it's this great mystery.
Who did Devin yeller the wedding? I'm still I still
don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I know who it was.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I won't say here tell you all. I'll tell you
all air All right. Last question. Does Maria do all
the graphic designing for the podcast, advertisements, media, et cetera.
In a way like our artwork on our website, I
did not do. We had a really awesome design graphic
designer Amanda do them, and then the skulls on the
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banner were done by the chick that made the banners.
But I did the podcast cover artwork of course, we
got professional photos taken and then I turned it into
the cover artwork and then yeah, I'll do like if
we when we do ads with crime con and stuff,
I do that. I do all your presentation stuff like that. Yeah,
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so it's not really exciting.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I don't really, I do not say I have no
idea how to even whatever she does. Actually, the little
girls know how to do more on those programs than
I do.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Well, I do. You know, I do have this expensive
art degree that I'm not really using elsewhere, so I
guess I should use it in some capacity. But you know,
I can't really draw, so I can put things together
I think in a decent way. But it's not the
most professional. But it works, so it is what it is,
all right. If you guys have a shocking story, please
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
Everyone Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
will be talking about health updates from celebrities like Teddy
Mellencamp and Wendy Williams, horrific deaths involving homemade lemicello, and
of course a tragedy that occurred at a birthing center
and more. So let's get started with the celebrity news.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
All right, let's start off with Teddy Mellencamp. So yesterday
she kind of shocked all of her Instagram followers because
she posted that she had been suffering from these severe
headaches for the last couple of months and it was
so bad that she required hospitalization on Tuesday, and when
they did scans, they found tumors on her brain. I
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hate to say this, but this is really not good
news for her, No, especially really bad. She's been having
issues with melanoma for the last couple of years that
she's been really vocal about and it just doesn't seem good.
So she's had a bunch of surgeries, at least sixteen
surgeries over the past couple of years to remove all
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this melanoma from her, which is just you would think
that it's kind of shocking because she's only forty three
years old. But I mean, Chloe Kardashian was diagnosed with
melanoma too. You see it in young people. Sometimes you
see it in teenagers. It's really scary. But in the
world of pathology, this is a general rule. When you
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see one tumor in an organ, most of the time
that could be a primary cancer that originated in that organ.
So if you got a scan don and saw that
you had one tumor in your lung, it's more than
likely tumor that originated from your love as opposed to
spreading from another site. But when you do a scan
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and you see multiple tumors in one organ, that usually
indicates that it's a metastasis. Now that rule is not
set in stone. There are times when different things present
in different ways, but for the most part, multiple tumors
in the brain are representative of a metastasis, which means
that the melanoma has spread to her brain. I mean,
(02:27):
this must just be really scary for her because it
looks like she had to shave all of her hair
off yesterday to get this, which is obviously like the
least of her problems at this point. But last night
she had to go into emergency surgery to get a
couple of the tumors removed, and she said the others
are going to be treated with radiation.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
So one of the reasons that they are removing the
tumors is because they need to get an official diagnosis
of what it is. Because even though, like I just said,
multiple tumors usually are representative of metastasis, you can't just
assume that by looking at the scans. So you actually
have to look at the tissue under the microscope. And
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in this case, they'll take one of the tumors out,
or a piece of one of the tumors out, and
they'll send it to pathology and they'll get the diagnosis
to see if it is a primary because she didn't
say it was cancer, but a primary tumor of the
brain versus a metastasis. Now, one of the things that
is a little weird to me is that she said
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she's been having these debilitating headaches for months. I don't
know how often she's getting checked, but I would think
that a person that has a history of cancer that's
having headaches this would be a red flag to any physician,
So I'm not sure if she just hasn't been to
the doctor in a while and was just dealing with
it on her own until it got to the point
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where she could no longer deal with it, because they
said it looked like it was there for a couple
months at least.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Well, so, she's actually been in quite a scandalous situation
in the last couple of months. She just was exposed
for having this affair with her child's horse trainer, and
it's been all over the news, and she's filed for
divorce from her husband. So I'm wondering if possibly she
confuse the headaches for all the stress she's been under
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lately and just really didn't think further into it. I
know that's like ignorant to say, but she's had a
lot going on in her life. It's kind of outrageous.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
To me to think that you're that age and you're
married and have children and you have a really really
I mean, melanoma is not a joke cancer diagnos it's
it's very deadly cancer. To just think that your brain
would even be anywhere near wanting.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
To cheat on your husband. It's a little bizarre to me,
but these are Hollywood people, I guess. Well, and there
was scandal because the horse trainer's wife was apparently pregnant
or had just given birth at the time the fair
was exposed and all this other stuff, So I'm not
saying that's an excuse to ignore medical symptoms. But I
know and pop culture news that she had been going
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through a lot more than she normally had been in
the last couple of months, So I'm wondering if all
of that costs her to just confuse the symptoms she
was having with undergoing severe stress from filing for divorce
and having this scandal go publicly on all the newspapers
and everything and tabloids and feature it on every single
prop culture podcast. So that's all I could think of it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I hate to say this, but when you have metastasis
from melanoma, it's it's usually not good. The survival rate
after five years with this diagnosis is not very high
at all. So I mean, obviously she's got money and
the best doctors hopefully at her at her fingertips to
help her get through this, but I'm not sure that
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they're going to be able to help her.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, I'm curious. It seems like she just got surgery
last night, so I'm curious what they're gonna come out
and say. I mean, obviously it's really nobody's business what
her formal diagnosis is, but she's putting all of this well,
no it is, it's ours because she's putting it out there,
so she needs to finish up. You don't give don't
pull a Courtney Kardashian and give us half the story,
like either tell us or don't tell us.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was That's that's my opinion on it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I will say I was surprised when she showed the
room of people at the hospital there to support her
and saw that her husband, who she just cheated on,
was in the room. And obviously that's the mother of
his children and they were together a really long time.
And you won't be he's a.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Good he's a good person, because it is it's very
easy if someone cheats on you to be like, f you,
you did this to me. But I mean, now, this
is this is this is a serious diagnosis. If it
turns out that she does have metastatic melanoma, I mean,
this is going to be life changing for his involvement
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with his children. He might be a full time parent
soon without her help, the children won't have a mom,
Like this is a big deal. So, I mean, he's
a good person.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I thought she had a pretty good I don't know
if you watched her Instagram stories, but I thought she
had a pretty good attitude about it, Like she was
laughing about her new look with her shaved head and
then these weird like monitors they had on her forehead
and trying to joke. I mean, that's all you could
do in that situation, because it's it's horrible, and sometimes
it just makes the situation a little easier to digest
(07:19):
when you're going through something that's scary. Yeah, I mean,
just I just hope that it ends up being some
benign thing, but I mean, just from what I know,
the chances of that are not great. Yeah. Well, let's
get into Wendy Williams. So she's been in the news
a lot recently. Back in twenty twenty two, a corp
(07:39):
had ordered Wendy to be in this legal guardianship via
this lawyer, Sabrina Morrissey. I don't know how familiar you
are with this, but there was this really weird thing
where her financial advisor at Wells Fargo had somehow contacted
a core and requested a guardianship because they said her
behavior was kind of all over the place and put
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a freeze on her bank accounts. Would seem really odd
that a bank could do that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Don't you think like she was spending too much money
or something?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I guess in their inner this is not clear because
there was a lot of controversy about this, because they're like, Okay,
so if your bank just thinks you're acting weird, they
could just puzzled on your account and contact the court.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think just what happened to Ricky the other day
that he had some weird charge on his credit card,
and well Spargo called him right away and was like,
are you trying to make this purchase it? Maybe it
started off like that. I mean, you're talking about were
normal people that have normal amounts of cash in the bank.
You're talking about people that have millions of dollars in
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accounts and stuff, and they probably have a higher level
of staff monitoring the activity on these types of accounts
and may have noticed that there was some kind of
a trigger that Okay, Wendy Willilliams was spending sixty thousand
dollars a month, and all of a sudden it went
up to two hundred thousand dollars a month, and like,
what's what's happened. It's something triggered in the system, and
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maybe that's when they brought it to someone's attention and
it went from there. Kind of I'm not really I'm
not sure that the bank employee would be able to
make a diagnosis of what was wrong with her and
get a guardianship put on her, but maybe the initial
events were triggered by something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So this is another This is another thing I'm confused about.
So just the other night I was watching this show
called The Curious Case of and they were talking about
bam Marjara and like what's going on with him and
his family tried to put him in this I guess
conservatorship or guardianship, and there's you know, confusion that those
are interchangeable terms. Do you know Beth Karris, the legal expert,
(09:50):
She's oh, yeah, yeah, So I'm kind of obsessed with
her on this show. She's like really amazing, She's like
my new Nancy. I'm like really into everything she has
to say on the show. But she was explaining that
but there is a difference, And on this show she
said a guardian has control of a person's medical care
and living arrangements, while a conservator just has financial control.
So I guess in this case in New York, they
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have control of Wendy Williams finances in addition to her
medical care and living arrangements. So after she was issued
this legal guardianship, they put her in this like ol
the senior care facility that she's been living in in downtown.
And this really sad video surface of her talking on
the phone in her window and she says, it's like
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living in a prison.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, this is what I'm not one hundred percent certain
what's going on with this story, but it seems as
if she was diagnosed. We talked about this. It was
probably almost a year ago, honestly that we talked about this,
that she was diagnosed with frontal temporal dementia and alcohol
induced cognitive impairment. Okay, so they came up with this
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diagnosis that she drank so much that she she essentially
damaged her brain permanently and was never going to be
able to function normally again. And this could be part
of the problem because now that she's sobered up, and
maybe that was a misdiagnosis, and maybe and maybe it
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was temporary issues that she was having. And I mean, listen,
this woman is on the film with a TMZ reporter, right,
and she's standing at the window of this building while
the TMZ reporter is down on the ground recording her,
and she's crying and saying that she's not allowed out
and she's trapped in there. She seems pretty aware of
(11:38):
what the hell's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I listened to the
clips of the audio from this interview, and she seems
one hundred percent coherent and knows exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, so I don't. I don't know, like what's going
on with her diagnosis. And I mean, we saw videos
of her last year and she looked she looked crazy,
like her eyes were huge, and she was talking nonsense.
But apparently she's sobered up over the past year, and
it seems like she might be getting better. And I
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don't know how that works. If you're under one of
these medical guardianships, how often do they really evaluate to
make sure that you still fall within the terms, Because
maybe she really did need that at the time, but
now she might not need that, so they need to
reevaluate it and see if that is really necessary at
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this point.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So this really reminds me of Britney Spears and what
happened with her, because I think now that we're so
removed from Britney Spears being put in the conservatorship, I
think it seemed like with in her case that she
was maybe going through a really tough round of like
postpartum depression or something, and everybody around her just really
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was not sympathetic and just blew her off as being crazy,
which was driving her further into the hole. And I
think something similar like this is happening with Wendy Williams.
I mean, she was this immensely famous person. She in
her younger days had struggles. She had so many miscarriages.
She essentially had this miracle baby, her son, then her
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husband was having an affair with her, had a daughter
with somebody else. All she wanted her whole life was
a daughter. And then you find out your husband of
so many years had a daughter with another woman behind
your back. So I think that then you know her
health wasn't great. Passes. She has television she.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Has Graves disease, which is an autoimmune disease of the thyroid.
And that's another thing too, because if your thyroid hormones
are out of whack, that could cause erratic behavior too.
It causes you to get really hot, you can't sleep,
you have anxiety, weight loss. And talking about her eyes
looking a little outrageous, it causes inflammation of the tissues
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surrounding the eyes, so it gives the appearance of your
eyes bulging out. So it's not really that she was
literally crazy and going nuts to just her eyes just
looked a little alarming, but it's because of the Graves disease,
so that's another thing to take into consideration as well.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, I just like, I guess the point of what
I'm getting at is, I think, even though these people
are rich and famous and they have money, they're also people,
and there's only so much stress you can handle. So
I can see that maybe she was having a bit
of a breakdown, But it doesn't mean that you like
could just like shove her in an assisted living facility
the rest of her life. I mean, she clearly seems
(14:29):
like at this point she got the help she needed,
and now her lawyers are trying to get her out
of this guardianship. She's gonna be reevaluated next week by
a doctor and they're gonna try to push it through
to court and see if they could get her free. Yeah,
they need to intervene in way faster than they did
with Brittany. Brittany's I mean, we should just have a
whole episode about that one day. It's just really incredibly
(14:52):
sad with what happened with Brittany, And I mean just
being a person that's gone through postpartum and just just
all of the hormones and the emotions and everything after that,
and just imagine being Britney Spears and people telling you
you're fat when you're barely fat, and just like the
whole entire thing of it. It just makes completely complete
(15:13):
sense why she freaked out so bad. This episode is
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Speaker 2 (15:26):
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Speaker 2 (16:10):
Okay, so let's get into this true crime story. So
after Christmas, this couple was on vacation in Vietnam. They
went to a local bar. So at the bar there
served lemonicello by the bartender. They go on their way
and later they're found dead in their hotel room. So
back in twenty twenty two, I wrote a high profile
death dissection on poisoning methanol poisoning in particular because they
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had discovered after they did the autopsies on this couple
that they died from methanol poisoning from having this homemade
lemonchello at a Vietnamese bar. So back in two thousand
and two, the reason that I wrote this high profile,
high profile death dissection on methanol poisoning was because in
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East London, South Africa, twenty one teenagers died, ranging from
thirteen to seventeen years old. You remember that they all
died at that bar and they were being served alcohol underage.
And so one of the things is is that, especially
when you're traveling, it's something to keep in mind because
this has happened more than once. This is not the
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first time of this happening. The alcohol that we drink
at a bar, when you get vodka or anything like that,
is called ethanol, and ethanol is considered toxic to humans too,
but they've deemed it safe if you have small amounts.
It's safe to consume in small amounts. Methanol, on the
other hand, is a type of alcohol that they have
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I was going to say, they serve. They serve at
home depot, They sell it for us construction workers, mechanics
and things like that to use it painters. But it's
toxic to humans and it's never deemed safe in any amount.
So something as small as one to eight ounces of
it could kill you. It's just very, very deadly. Now,
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the reason that people use methanol. This person that was
making the homemade Leamachello probably is because methanol is significantly
cheaper than ethanol is. So, for example, you can get
a five gallon container jug of methanol for about forty dollars.
And if you look at something like one of the
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cheapestvakas like Vladimir Vaka or.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Something right ross vodka.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's gross. But I'm saying, like the legal ethanol, right,
that's it's cheap. It's gross, Like most people don't go
for that one unless you're like seventeen and making jellow
shots or something. Right, But a one point seventy five
liter bottle of that is is ten dollars, which is
cheap for that much vodka.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Right, But if you.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Kind of put that into gallons five gallons of Vladimir's vodka,
that would cost one hundred and eighty dollars. So the
cheapest ethanol is that expensive compared to methanol that's forty.
So people who don't really know, they.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Just say, oh, it's alcohol.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
It's alcohol that are making drinks like this to try
to stretch their product or whatever they're trying to do.
They they poison people by accident because they don't really
they don't really understand that methanol is not the same
as ethanol, and it's very, very toxic. So you hear
about these deaths from time to time, and it's it
involves people on vacation a lot, and it's really really scary. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It does seem to happen a lot in vacation touristy
areas abroad, which is really unusual. And I don't know
if they're just trying, you know, like the main motivation
has to just be to save money, because it doesn't
seem like in any of these cases we cover that
they're trying to poison a bunch of No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
They absolutely aren't. It's just it could be something as
simple as like, oh, don't we don't have any vodkas?
So I have this other thing sitting here, I'll just
use it. It's the same thing both alcohol. I mean,
it's really scary, to be honest with you, But you
hear about this sometimes in other countries when people go
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and visit that they actually will. Let's say you have
a leader of vodka and then you use, you make
a couple shots, and then you just fill the rest
of the bottle up with methanol just to kind of
thin out the product, because when you're drinking it, you
won't really notice a difference. I mean because technically, when
you drink alcohol, you are just kind of poisoning yourself
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just enough to feel a little woozy before you die, right,
and you could die from ethanol too, trust me, but
you could have permanent visual damage and just drinking an
ounce of it, which announces not very much fluid if
you think about cann of soda is twelve ounces, right,
But then you start with vomiting, abdominal pain, and then
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you can have central nervous system depression and then eventually death,
which happened to this couple, which is terrible.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I mean when I was we weren't even allowed to
combine bottles of the same alcohol, which is like crazy
that people.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Can just I mean, it's just better to have that role,
no it, and it's there for a reason because clearly
something happened. They weren't just like, let's just be smart
and get ahead of this.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So you're saying if you had a bottle of what's
a good vodka? I don't even if I had two
half empty bottles of like kettle one or Tito's, and
I only had room really for one of them on
the shelf. You cannot take one of them and pour
it into the other, at least in Pennsylvania. I don't
know about elsewhere, but I guess there's concerns with it
if those are two brands. No, I'm saying, like if
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you have two empty, half empty bottles of Kettle one.
I was just giving as an example. If you have
two half bottles of Kettle one, for example, you can't
combine the bottles because in Pennsylvania is what I'm getting at,
because I don't know about the laws in other states.
But if I'm assuming that's in place, because if there's
a pro with one of the bottles, you want to
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look at the lot number, see where it came from,
everything like that. Whereas if you're pouring them into each other,
and you also can't pour it out of the bottle
and pour it back in like once it's out, it's out, well.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Listen, it makes sense because this is how you could
have mistakes if you just have a general role that
it's like, you can't pour anything into an into a bottle.
There's no way of because what if you poured the
cattle one out, for example, and then by accident you
poured it back into scotch or whatever it is. I mean,
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that's also would be false advertising to be selling the
more expensive voka to somebody, you know, things like that,
or mixing alcohols and people might be allergic to whatever's
in vodka but not scotch or you know what I mean.
And it's just better to have the rule.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, I mean yeah, because it could easily scotch, it
would I know, you're trying to use examples. Scotch wouldnt
happen because Scott's is brown. It could easily happen with
gin or tequila or something like that. You have the
allergy read in, you just have false advertising. Certain alcohols
are worth different amount of money. I mean, there's a
million problems that could happen. And when I say you
can't do it, it doesn't mean that people don't do it,
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because I definitely see really shitty dive bars for people
are one hundred percent to do and stuff like that. Yeah,
but it's just.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
It's just really scary to think that you're, you know,
you you're drinking something at a store or something and
or at a restaurant and you're just trusting what you're
getting is what they're telling you it is. And there's
probably been many times that you that you or I
have ingested food or drink that were not one hundred
percent sure. Did that fall on the floor? Is that
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really the vodka I ordered? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Like, I don't know that. That's just that's just the
thought I have.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's just it's scary because you do ingesting something is
a vulnerability that you give up to people when you
go out.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, didn't Lisa paren say this in her book something
along I'm paraphrasing, but it was something along the lines
of where like always one step away from being poisoned
in a sense, like it's just a difference of dosage.
It's really it's really true.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I mean, you just it's it's it's like scary, it's
really terrifying if you think about it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Really, No, it is okay. Medical news, this one is horrible.
In Arizona, this woman went into labor. She was planning
to have her baby at a birthing center. So at
forty two weeks she goes to this birthing center and
she told the midwives that she was in a lot
of pain and that she wanted to go to the hospital.
They kept blowing her off, telling her they were because
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she was overreacting because it was her first kid, even
though her and her husband.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Kept all shame listen, listen. I honestly that part of
it I just completely understand, because I don't think that
a first a person that's in labor for the first time,
especially a birthing center with no drugs, realizes quite how
bad it hurts. And when you say you're in a
lot of pain, like no, shit, like they she didn't
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understand that she was in a lot of pain because
it was the first time she was having a baby.
It's not like, well, this was idiot, like you're the
only problem. No, obviously there was other problems, but the
pain part of it and getting blown off because she
was in pain is not a problem to me, because
every single person that's a known known right.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, after thirty hours in labor, which is so long,
they finally realized she's having trouble breathing, they call emergency workers,
they take her to the hospital, and she had to
have an emergency c section there and then the baby
didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I feel about
these birthing centers because I know a lot of people
have great experience with them. I personally say, if I
ever if I had another kid, I probably would have
just had it at home or squatted by a tree,
because I would have had better treatment than I had
at the actual hospital. So I mean, that's my personal experience.
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Everybody's got a bad experience. And listen, like, unfortunately babies die,
whether it's in a birthing center out of the hospital,
because I used to work at a hospital and did
plenty of autopsies of these same exact similar situations where
the person was in the hospital. So I don't want
to necessarily give these birthing centers like a bad name
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because of this, because this happens all the time, and
I don't really know what the circumstances are around it
because I didn't get to read all of the notes
and what happened and what.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Was the cause of death.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But I do know that there were midwives there who
for those of you who don't know midwives could be.
They're healthcare professionals and there's all different kinds of levels
of what they could do, but they're a person that's
trained to take care of OBGYN patients, So it's more
of a holistic approach to taking care of a mother,
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especially that's getting ready to give birth and having a
more comfortable environment, not so clinical in the hospital. There's
usually not drugs associated with these births, and you know,
when you're in all this pain, they're supposed to be
there help you get through it and to calm you
down and all that stuff. And I mean, honestly, I
gave birth naturally, and although it definitely did suck, really
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really bad as far as the pain goes, the second
the kid comes out, there's this euphoria that comes over
you and you just feel like you just took the
biggest xanax of your life and you're just chill. It
doesn't hurt anymore. And I got up and was like,
I have to go to the bathroom, and I went
to the bathroom within ten minutes of giving birth. And
sometimes when you get all these drugs and you get
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an epidoral and stuff, you can't you can't walk around
and it just takes longer to recover afterwards like that.
So I am a fan of the of having birth naturally,
and these midwives help millions of women a year get
through this.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
But well, I don't think the problem is with the
birthing center in general. I think the problem was they
did an investigation at this particular place and they found
the midwives there were not necessarily following a good protocol.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, and I don't know what the level of them was.
So a midwife usually isn't a doctor. They usually work
along with an obg wyan. But some of them can
be nurses with a master's level. They could even have
doctorate's actually, so I don't know if it was a
highly trained nurse midwife or just person that was just
another kind of healthcare professional doing it. I don't know
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what the deal is. But yeah, when they did an
investigation over the court, because this happened a year ago,
that they discovered that they weren't taking the fetal vitals
often enough as they should, and they weren't taking the
mother's vitals as well, like her blood pressure and things
like that. I think they said they were supposed to
do it every fifteen minutes or whatever it was, and
they weren't following the protocol with that. So I mean
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this could have I don't, like I said, I don't
really know what the pathology involved was, but this could
have been really bad and they could have lost her
as well.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, so they said one of them wives was fined
nine thousand dollars, but if she paid that fine within
ten days, she only had to pay two hundred of
the nine thousand dollars, which I think is just further
pissing people off.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
But I wonder, though, how do you know if you're
a so that is that place seems like it's still open,
right if you're and you don't know about this story.
So say you're a person that's looking into doing this,
how do you find out that there was this event there?
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, I guess because this happened in late twenty twenty three,
So I want to say they filed the complaint against
them pretty shortly after. And I think if you just
google the name of the facility, it's gonna come up.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I don't know too much about the whole Obgyn situation.
I actually have a friend that I should have texted
prior to this, but I'm pretty sure that she's saying
she was forty two weeks. I'm pretty sure that they
don't want you going that much further over your due
date because of increase risk of complications. So I was
that was kind of striking to me in the beginning
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that they that they did that, but that might not
be a thing. That's just something that I've personally experienced,
like if I was due and didn't have that because
I went over with you and with the two other
my two other daughters, and every time it was just
like your due date happens, and if that baby doesn't
come by forty one weeks, like your schedule to come
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in that day. And I was always told that it
was because there was just an increased risk of complications.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
But maybe.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
I could text my friend and ask her if that's true,
Like I said, I mean, you do want to know
that this happened, but you can't be naive to think
that this just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Though, no, you definitely get I think. I think the
bottom line is, like you're you know, one of your
best friends died what we consider a really good hospital
right due to like a freak thing. So I think
in it was.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
It was it wasn't really a freak thing, though it
was a hand a handful of negligent things that ended
up being that caused her to die. It's not like
it was a medical reason. It was just a handful
of missed things and and and not following protocols and
things like.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
That that caused her to die.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, So it's a terrible thing for anyone, your friends,
your family, the people going through it. The whole entire
thing is just a terrible thing for all involved to
have to go through.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I just think before giving birth, and obviously sometimes you're
in like a situation where you just you know, you
have to give birth in a Krispy Kream parking lot,
or like.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Your you had to name your baby Glaze.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, like or you just have to you know, you
don't have control. But if you're planning on giving birth
at a specific place, it is certainly up to you
as the patient to do as much research as possible
and look into it before you commit to that. And obviously,
like bad happen sometimes, but you got to look into
the reasons why, and that's what matters the most. So
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this is just like really sad and you obviously don't
want anybody going through this, but hopefully it just doesn't
happen again. I Mean, another thing, unfortunately is I've seen
with all the autopsies that I've done in situations like
that that you could just look over it in hindsight
and say they should have done this, they should have
done this, This wouldn't have happened. I mean, how terrible
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is it that you go into the hospital to give
birth and your fetus is alive and then you leave
with the baby.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Not coming home with you. It's just it's so unacceptable.
And if it's the same thing we could talk about
though with plane accidents. It's just like you have so
many flights every single day and there's a plane accident
and then everybody gets scared of it. Well, there's millions
and millions of babies being born every day and not
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and then when you hear of one death, it scares
the shit out of you. But like it's just not
that common.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, all right. We have some church controversy, So the
Church of England has ruled that non alcoholic wine and
gluten free bread cannot be used during Holy Communion anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is the one story that's going to make me
go on a rant about my feelings about the religion,
and specifically the Catholic religion. A lot of people ask
me all the time, what religion are you and I
just kind of stay out of it. But I'm like,
this is the time to speak up about this and
why I got so burned by Catholicism and because I
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think that I think that there's a lot of hypocrisy
in it and it really just it really it really
drives me nuts and I don't want to be a
part of it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Like this.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
There's been priests, right that were molesting children and sent
to other churches so they could just skate free and
get out of it, and then they were allowed to
take communion at their new jobs. Right, But you're not
letting people who eat gluten or don't eat gluten and
don't want to drink alcohol do it. It just seems
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it seems so outrageous, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Well, it is because I just think it's bullshit, because like,
if you, if you really want to boil it down,
it should be fucking blood of a human and flesh
of a human, not a not a rice cracker and
wine right, so like who it.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Says it needs to be made of wheat flour and
the wine must be fermented grape juice. I just think, listen,
you know how I told you I follow this Orthodox
Jew influencer. You don't know, I don't know what her
name is, but she's she's awesome and she answers questions
like this. One of the things I love about her
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religion is that they can just make exceptions for things
that are practical in a lot of situations. So, for example,
I feel like if you brought this up and said, hey,
we I know they don't do communion and stuff, but
I'm just saying, for an example, like if you brought
this up, they would say, Okay, well, we want everybody
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to have the wheat flour and the fermented grape juice,
but in the exception of a person that's having a
health issue, we'll make exceptions for that. That it seems
like they do that in a lot of situations because
they ultimately want people to live their best life and
to be healthy while doing it right. What is the
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problem you have children that can't have gluten? I mean,
it just it just sounds so ridiculous. And I don't know,
I mean, and my whole I have a whole bias
because and this is what I'm going to tell you guys,
my story. So I was I was going to Catholics
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school in ninth grade when I got pregnant with Maria,
right and I got pregnant with her, and they told
and Maria's dad also went to high school with me
and was in my grade. They told my mother that
I couldn't. I was not allowed to get an abortion
because that went against the Catholic Church. But I wasn't
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allowed to stay in school being pregnant. But Maria's dad
was allowed to stay in school. I wasn't, So I
got essentially kicked out of school in ninth grade. He
graduated from He graduated from there too, exactly, which is
awesome because he had no involvement and it was just
my problem. So I got kicked out of school. And
then when we went to baptize Maria, it was this
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huge thing. They wouldn't let us baptize her in church
because they thought that that would be inappropriate, so we
had to go baptize her in the rectory behind closed doors.
And that was when my mom was finally like, fuck
this religion. I'm over it, because we used to go
to church every week and good members of the church
and everything like that, and I think that my mom,
(37:04):
just my mom finally was like, Okay, I've had enough
here because of the way that we got treated in
that situation. And you would think that you have a
child that I was fifteen years old, that had an
unfortunate situation fall upon me, that they would be supportive
because I was choosing life for my child, which is
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what they want, right, but not at all, not helping
at all, not I don't know the whole thing. I
just kind of been like over Catholicism since since you
basically but what.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
No, I just I also find it hypocritical that they
find it problematic that a fifteen year old gives birth
to a kid, but they got no problem sexualizing children
over and over and over again and not punishing the
offenders for it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So yeah, which is interesting because that was all going
down around the same time. So just all of that
and it's just whatever, Like, if you do it, that's fine.
I don't care what religion people are. I'm interested in
learning about it. I still love Catholicism for its uh.
I Like I love the way churches look, and I
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love the art, and I love I love a lot
of the history behind it. But at the same time,
it's just the rules. And this one just triggered me
today when I read it, that just it's just like,
why are you standing firm on this right now? It's
just weird.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I think church is like a really awesome community that
I find hard to mimic in other type of environments.
You know, you have a set day, everybody goes. They
most people, if you go to the same place, know
each other, and most people are also really willing to
help each other out when you're in need, but you
know they're just is constant hypocrisy. I often find that
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the most Christian people I know.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Are they're the worst. Exactly. It's it's you're you're one
hundred percent right, And I could give you real world
examples of that happening.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
So and that's not everybody, but I'm just saying I
have often found that the people that are the most
religious are truly terrible people.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yes, so I agree, no values at all, so whatever.
I didn't want to get into this whole like anti
religion thing, Like listen, my closest family members go to
church every Sunday and they're all up in it. But
I just for me, I was kind of like, yet, no,
I don't. I don't really, I don't really find the
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need in my life for that.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
So I do problem with religion. You know.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It does suck, though, because I do like the idea
of a like a community of having, you know, people
that you want your children around, that they're all they're
all kind of on the same wavelength as far as well,
I mean they're supposed to be, as far as and
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rules and things like that. I mean, the culture of
it and the group of it is a nice thing
that I would like, but I just can't do certain
aspects of it like that.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
No, all right, let's move on to questions of the day.
Every Friday on the at mother Nose Death Instagram account,
we put up a question box and you guys could
ask us whatever you want. First, what are some common
mistakes you see on celebrity autopsy reports.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, that's a good one. I see labeling errors, which
is because sometimes with the autopsy reports you also get
other reports toxicology and stuff like that. And there's been
times where I see the wrong date of birth, the
wrong name, the wrong body site, and things like that,
which is a huge problem. But that happens in the
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real world too, so I guess I'm glad to see
it happens with celebrities too a lot of times too.
I don't know if I've ever talked about this, but
when we do an autopsy, sometimes people have a template,
which is it just basically goes through every single body
system and it'll say GI system and then it'll say
large bell, small bell, appendix s gallbladder, and it has
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this pre written stuff in it, which when you go
through the autopsy, you should change every single thing on
there to fit the autopsy that you just did. So
sometimes the standard autopsy and this is this is a
simple mistake that's done commonly, which is why I'm kind
of anti template. But a common one is it'll say, oh,
the appendix is present and it's unremarkable, and you know
(41:35):
there's no pathology scene. But then you learn from the
patient that you were examining they actually had an ependectomy.
So imagine your child dies or your husband dies, and
you get the autopsy report knowing that your husband had
his appendix removed and it's saying that his appendix was fine, Well,
how do you trust the rest of the autopsy report
(41:56):
if they got that wrong, because they should have looked
to make sure it was missing. And that's like simple
mistakes like that and a lot of it too. Is
is just this thing I talk about all the time
with celebrity autopsies, is that they just don't follow protocol
one hundred percent all the time because they're famous, and
and that's how things can get messed up sometimes.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
All right, have you ever thought about milling your own
wheat to help with gluten intolerance? I was just talking
to somebody about this at an engagement party a couple
of weeks ago. Actually, But here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
I am, how does how does that help it?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Because it's like all organic and you have like full
control of the soil and everything like that. I guess,
So you'd have to you'd have to actually grow it
and everything. Yeah, here's the thing. I am interested, But
like I have very small, very small property, and I
just can't see my little tidy backyard growing wheat and
(42:55):
then like having any space to process it at all.
So probably not for me right now. I don't think
she's saying growing it though, like milling, like that's getting
the grain and doing it yourself, I guess. But don't
you think you're more in control if you're actually growing
it yourself and then doing it. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I would, I wouldn't do any of it. There's there's
different kinds of flowers. I don't have a problem actually
with gluten free at all. When I cook, I cook
for my entire family gluten free all the time. I don't.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
The only flower I have in my house is like
goldfish crackers and stuff that.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
My kids want. Sometimes. I don't use it ever in baking,
cooking or anything, and I think my stuff tastes good.
I'm making pizza tonight. The last crust I made was banging.
The only problem I have with gluten free stuff is
when I go out, it's terrible. Well, I mean at home.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
At home, it's fine, all the flowers and everything. Yeah,
when you make your own stuff, it's totally fine. But
I agree with you. When you're out, it's horrible. And
the things I really think are hard to mimic is
donuts and begels, which donuts begels and like really philly
soft pretzels is one that just I want so bad
(44:15):
and I love that place around. It's okay, but it's not.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
It doesn't have the same consistency, and that's part of
the deliciousness of it. And I've never tried to make
them myself.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And Annie Anne's pretzel those are so good and it's
torturous at them all when you.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Smell them, or cinnabony cinna freaking torture all that.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, But I will say I have not tried to
make my own begels or pretzels or anything. But I
have made my own glute and free cinnamon rolls, and
you can make those pretty good. And that bakery near
us also makes pretty good cinnamon rolls, you know the
one in the one in Oakland. Oh, yeah, that place
(44:58):
is pretty good. Yeah, that place is really so.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Ours not good. I business itself not good.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, that that's I will say. Her bake goods are
pretty delicious, like most of the ones. Yeah, that pretty
much everything.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Her zones are good and stuff. You know what, I'm
gonna ask Lynn to try to make us Philly soft
pretzels because she's the ultimate gluten fie breaker. But she
will never open a business. But it's nice to have
a person that's like, really good at it and willing
to try different things.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
So I'll ask her and she may be the best
wedding cake of all time. That was so delicious.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
No, remember at your wedding that somebody So Maria had
a canoli cake for her wedding, and somebody so the
way that Lynn Lynn is one of our friends and
she's also has Celiac, so she bakes really amazing things
with a canoli cake. She had like little canolis around
the bottom of the cake. And before Maria and Ricky
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cut the cake and did the whole smash in your
face thing, someone ate the canolis off of the cake
at the wedding and we couldn't believe it, and we
have no idea.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Who it was.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
So of course, who's the first person we thought that
did it was Pop Up and we go up to
him and we're like, Dad, you didn't like pick the
canolis off? You know what I just thought of? It
was probably fucking Gabe.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
That's a gay.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
He does that shit. Like I'll put something out and
then all of a sudden I see his like teethmarks
in something that he shouldn't be eating right away because
it's like not ready yet, or like I bring my
lunch over and fast up to that because that shit's
been bothering me, Like I'm mad about it. It's kind
of funny in hindsight, but I'm like.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Who did it.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
It's it's like, that's like the main attraction is the
wedding cake in the center of the pictures.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Well, it's kind of weird. There's another there's another story
too from my wedding. Another mystery where you know my
dearest Kane cousin, Devin Kane said she got in a
fight with somebody at the wedding and she has no
idea who it was, and she is the person in
the world. Wait what she said? She was arguing with
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somebody and I'm like, well, who wasn't She doesn't look
like she doesn't remember what. So it's this great mystery.
Who did Devin yeller the wedding? I'm still I still
don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I know who it was.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I won't say here tell you all. I'll tell you
all air All right. Last question. Does Maria do all
the graphic designing for the podcast, advertisements, media, et cetera.
In a way like our artwork on our website, I
did not do. We had a really awesome design graphic
designer Amanda do them, and then the skulls on the
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banner were done by the chick that made the banners.
But I did the podcast cover artwork of course, we
got professional photos taken and then I turned it into
the cover artwork and then yeah, I'll do like if
we when we do ads with crime con and stuff,
I do that. I do all your presentation stuff like that. Yeah,
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so it's not really exciting.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
I don't really, I do not say I have no
idea how to even whatever she does. Actually, the little
girls know how to do more on those programs than
I do.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Well, I do. You know, I do have this expensive
art degree that I'm not really using elsewhere, so I
guess I should use it in some capacity. But you know,
I can't really draw, so I can put things together
I think in a decent way. But it's not the
most professional. But it works, so it is what it is,
all right. If you guys have a shocking story, please
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Speaker 2 (48:52):
Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology. Education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
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media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
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