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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On this episode, we
are going to be talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's reaction to
the California wildfires. Do you guys remember the octomom We'll
(00:31):
be talking about her. Of course, we're going to get
into Luigi Mangioni's sex tapes, a circumcision that has gone wrong,
and a woman who is raising a doll with her baby.
So let's get started with the celebrity news.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
All right, First, let's get into this story about Gwyneth Paltrow.
So she went on a podcast earlier this week to
discuss that during the LA wildfires in January, she was
drinking pretty much every single night, where normally she only
will have a drink once a week. Because of this,
her menopause symptoms were getting out of control. How old
is she?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I think she's fifty two, Okay, So that's actually amazing
because that's the age they say that women go through menopause.
Although I feel like I'm already going through it since
I've been forty four, so I don't I don't know.
But when I went to the doctor with all these
symptoms I'm having. She was like, oh, yeah, it's gonna
be like that, like this for ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So I was like, oh, cool, yeah, really nice. It's
like when you go to the neeralogist for migraines and
they're like, well, unfortunately, you're just gonna have this till
you have menopause, and I'm like, cool, I'm twenty three
at this appointment. It's at least I know what decade.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
There was a point where I was going to the
migraine doctor and they were telling me that and it
seemed really far away. And now it's here and it
didn't really take.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That long to get here. So that's great, it's coming
for you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But some of the symptoms, for those of you who
don't know, I'm sure many of you listening go through
this stuff, with the hot flashes, night sweats, loss of
black at her control, and the mood changes are I
just see these hilarious memes on Instagram that are like,
do you hate your husband? Well, maybe you don't, maybe
it's just menopause. It's just fucking so funny. But one
(02:14):
of them is forgetfulness and brain fog, which is a
real thing, and It was really funny because when we
were at crime Con, I was talking to Kelly before
we were getting ready to go on stage, and I
said to her, I swear to God, I don't know
what's going on with me, but sometimes I'll just be
talking and I just literally forget what I'm talking about
(02:35):
and I go blank, and.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
She's like, how old are you?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And I was like forty five or forty four, however
I was at the time, and then she said, oh yeah,
She's like, it's this menopause thing. And so when I
went right on stage, I said that before I even
started my lecture, I was like, if I just start
looking like I have this weird blank stare and I
totally forgot my train of thought, like that's why, sorry,
I'm just having this thing going on right now. So
(03:01):
she really helped me out with that, which was good
to let you know.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That it's normal.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But I guess what happened was during the wildfires, Gwyneth
Paltrow was getting so stressed out, which I don't think
it directly affected her because at the time I think
she was living in Brentwood, although I think there was
some talk that there were fires getting.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Close her house. Was fine though.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry you grow up in
that city and you're just looking at it burned down.
It's devastating to everybody watching it. I mean, especially people
that are directly affected. But it's upsetting to everyone, right, No,
of course, so she said she started drinking a lot,
like every night. She went from being a regular like
once a week drinker to now it was every night
to just try to get through the stress. And believe
(03:43):
it or not, alcohol can exacerbate menopause symptoms, and that's
exactly what happened to her.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It just sucks too, because, especially if you've gone a
couple of years and been able to keep it at bay,
to just like not even think about it and have
a couple of drinks and have them pop up more regularly,
and it's like you have this extremely stressful event going
on in your life and that you're just trying to do.
You know, not that we certainly don't encourage drinking every day,
but we understand a little bit more in these situations.
(04:12):
And then the only type of stress release you have
is now making your menopause symptoms get worse.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, it and like menopause symptoms just suck. It's the
not sleeping thing, and the heat flashes at night is
cause like if you don't sleep, it ruins your whole
entire day. It's the central thing to keep you really
mentally sound and functioning throughout the day. So that's where
it starts, so I can't imagine. But there's other more
(04:40):
long term things that alcohol use can make worse too,
like it could increase the risk of osteoporosis and heart
disease even more. And also one thing I noticed that
just happened this year was that I'm starting to get
like weird fat on my abdomen, like on the sides
where I didn't ever have it before. And that's a
(05:01):
thing that you that you're waste all of a sudden
becomes not a waste anymore. Even though I go on
the scale and I weigh the same amount, my body
shape is just changing. And so obviously if you drink
alcohol and stuff that helps you that will prevent you
from keeping your normal weight even more, it might change
your body shape even more. So there's there's lots of
(05:22):
different negatives to it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to the story about
octomom so. Back in two thousand and nine, Octomom aka
Nadia Soulman. She already had six kids and she went
to a fertility doctor saying she was hoping to have,
you know, at least one more child. So she gets
his fertility treatments done, and I guess the standard practice
(05:44):
and IVF is they'll put two embryos in you. But
this doctor told her he put six. In reality, he
put twelve embryos inside of her, and she became pregnant
with eight babies, hence the nickname Octomom. So now she
has did this docus and this biopic coming out with
Lifetime this weekend, and she's doing an interview saying she
definitely doesn't have any regrets about now having fourteen children,
(06:08):
but she does wish that she would have sued the
fertility doctor.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
All right, let's try to break this down exactly what happened,
because I remember it happening. But then I was I thought, like,
didn't something happen with her? And I looked it up
and yes, So let's start from the beginning. It seems
like she had a husband and they had these six kids.
All of her kids were from IVF. When she had
(06:35):
these six kids, apparently she had a bunch of her
embryos frozen, and instead of using those frozen embryos that
she had, they were still giving her medications to and
hormone therapy to try to make an embryo again, so
she wasn't using the frozen ones, she was using these
(06:57):
newly created ones. So I guess there was a bunch
of these frozen embryos sitting aside that had to be used,
and she thought, for whatever reason, that there were six
of them left and they were going to get destroyed,
and she didn't want to think about them getting destroyed,
so she had went to that doctor and said, can
(07:18):
you put these all inside me? Which he said yes.
So I'm thinking that there were more than six, because
otherwise where did the other extra ones come from?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I'm not really I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Not really sure. But regardless, like this guy that was
the doctor that was doing the IVF on her, he's
he lost his license because of this, which is which
is a good thing, because this is completely irresponsible. But
when she decided she wanted to have these six embryos
put inside of her, which ended up being twelve, as
(07:53):
Maria said, she wasn't married to this guy anymore, so
she was planning on having a baby on top of
the six ones that she already has at least one baby.
So what happens is when they when you're trying to
have a baby, sometimes they put in more two or
three in the hopes that one will take. But sometimes,
(08:15):
as we know, twins could happen, Triplets could happen, one
of the eggs could split and cause twins. So there's
just like lots of different things that could happen.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And in this.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Case, they put in twelve and eight of them ended
up taking, and she decided that she was going to
keep all of them. Now, sometimes if a woman gets
IVF and gets pregnant with every embryo, she could decide
to do something called selective termination, which is essentially aborting
one of them or two of them out just because.
(08:50):
I mean, there's lots of reasons women don't want to
take care of three babies, and there's lots of things
that we could.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Debate on if that's right or wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, it could be a safety risk too, it's the
safety risk for multiple births. But there's a lot of
ethical things that go with that, which we're not going
to talk about right now. But for whatever reason, she
was like, I'm going to do this, and she did,
and she successfully carried eight babies and had them. It
was the first time it was ever documented, and of
(09:19):
course this is going to be a major news story. Now.
The thing that's really fucked up about this is that,
regardless of her, in my opinion, this is terrible decision
making and this doctor making terrible decisions. She went to
the hospital, and the hospital where she gave birth gave
her name and the story to the press, which is
(09:41):
so fucked up. So now this is where octamom came from.
She it doesn't appear that she was like, hey, look
at me. It was like something she was doing and
her information was given to the press without her consent.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So she madeor hip a violet. It is.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So she do the hospital and was able to be
successful with that, but she's forever branded octomom. I remember
it being this big thing, and but there was there
were people that were giving her death threats and shit,
because they're they're like, how are you going to afford
to take care of all these babies? And it didn't
really seem like she she really had any kind of
(10:20):
career or was independently wealthy. So from the time that
she did this up until recently, she's had lots of
financial problems, filed bankruptcy. She even did porn at some point.
I don't know if you remember that to make money.
Because she was saying, and this was only a couple
I think it was twenty seventeen, she was saying that
(10:43):
it was costing her five thousand dollars a month to
take care of her kids, but she only got fifteen
hundred dollars from the government for food stamps, so she
needed to supplement the income. And that's kind of the
shit that people were getting pissed off about, because it's like,
if you if you can't afford to take care of
your kids, why are you having more? But like you
could say that about so many people, and there can't
(11:06):
really be laws to say you could have this many
kids according to how much money you make or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But yeah, because also she wasn't Yes, she was intending
on having at least seven children, but she wasn't intending
to have fourteen children. And I guess there is some
risk where there could have been additional babies, but I
don't think she truly thought she was gonna be pregnant
with eight children when she went in for IVF that time.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, yeah, and I mean, like I said, the whole
ethics of that is like, if you're walking in and
you know they're putting those in, there's a chance of that.
But obviously, this guy, I mean, this guy.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Could have really killed her.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I mean, six would have been abuse as it is.
So she's lucky she survived that, and then she kept
the babies and they all survived it too, But I
mean that was a huge strain on her health and everything.
So he lost his license, luckily. And now she was
saying that she would want to assume them.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I don't really know if she could have. I mean,
I guess she could have sued them for putting twelve in,
but she did consent to putting six in. So what's
the difference at this point if you have six babies
or eight babies, Like, it's a lot. And just thinking
like she's now she's I think she's my age, right,
or a little bit younger than me, or she's forty five,
(12:25):
is she's around my age or something, and she has
like fourteen kids, which is just I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So I wonder if her ex husband had signed off
on her using the embryos. I'm really curious about this
because so many couples, especially wealthier couples today, are making
embryos in their early thirties and then you know, not
necessarily using all of them, or they'll use one and
then they have some in storage. So I don't know
(12:52):
if you know this, but Severe Sophia Virgara, the actress,
she had embryos with her ex, and after they got
divorced or split up or broke up whatever, he wanted
to go forward and use the embryos with the surrogate,
and she was like, no, like, these are my half
my babies, and I don't want to do that and
I don't want children out there that I didn't consent
(13:13):
to being in this world. And she sued him and
she won.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, and I think that she has every right to.
And I don't know, because that's what the way that
all of the articles are written. She filed for divorce
and went through divorce within a year of getting pregnant,
and it said that she didn't want them to get destroyed.
So I'm not sure if she like quick and did
it before the guy had a chance to get them destroyed.
(13:40):
But I mean, technically, isn't he legally responsible for those children?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, I think that's why the conversation comes up. But
I think it's difficult because in the grand scheme of things,
it's a newer technology we have, having IVF, even though
it's been around for a couple of decades. And then
you have this argument where like in Sophie Vergara's case,
for example, she has a right to not want the
embryos to become full blown babies because they're fifty percent
(14:06):
her babies. But what about her ex having fifty percent
responsibility and wanting them to become children. You know what
I mean, It's a fifty to fifty split.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So well, I mean, can't in theory he just have
other kids? Well, yeah, of course, I mean, like it's
kind of I just think it's kind of weird if
you're divorced and you want to have babies with the X,
It's just like.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Why, No, I'm not defending him at all, Like, I
think she's in the right, and I think if you
make that decision as a couple together, you need to
be one hundred percent on board with what happens. Afterward.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, it is an it is a very interesting legal thing,
but I just still can't wrap my brain around. I
actually wish I worked at the hospital where that happened,
because I would love to see the placentas of what
was happening in there, and just just curious from a
medical perspective, I mean, did you ever see the pictures
of her belly when she was pregnant.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It was out of control. Yeah, it looks it looks
like prosthetic. It doesn't even look real.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It looks like it's like it's a doctored photo. It's
just it really is crazy. So it's kind of remarkable
that she was able to even pull that off. I
just the whole thing is I think she's got the
kids are ten or eleven now, no, they're sixteen. Oh
they're sixteen yeaeah. I'm just thinking like what you're yeah,
(15:26):
like do you want?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do you want?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, now, my kids are great at their age,
they're ten and eleven, but imagine having well even teenagers,
imagine having eight teenagers at the same time. And but
think about when they were babies and when they were toddlers.
I mean, she there was a point that she checked
herself into this rehab center. I don't think she was
doing drugs or anything. It was just for like exhaustion
(15:51):
and anxiety, and like duh, I mean, and especially she
was a single mom, so I and and she doesn't
It's not like she's a multi millionaire that she could
pay all these people to help her out.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I'm curious too why they kept having her make
fresh embryos because storing existing embryos is so expensive, And
why wouldn't you want to use the ones you already
know were.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I'm not sure that that was done to her consent
or something. I just really don't know. Yeah, I mean
it admits they don't, you know how like you always
look this shit up and it's like they don't. They
don't answer every question, and you're like, I don't know
the whole story. Just I just pieced it together. Okay,
this was the year she was married, she had the
kids with that guy, This is the year she got divorced.
(16:37):
Like I tried to figure it out, but nobody actually
just writes it out step by step, and that's what
we all want to know, right, Yeah, exactly, Okay, true crime.
This is this is a story everyone's talking about online.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
New weird twist in the Luigi manngio Ani case is
that a friend came forward and said that he made
at least over twenty sex tapes. So where are these
sex tapes? I'm curious about that as well. And I think,
you know, we've talked about before how there's just a
lot of fanfare because he's considered a very attractive person,
and I just think this is fueling that with his supporters.
(17:13):
I've read he's been getting sent a lot of nude
pictures while he's been in jails.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
This is like the weirdest fucking phenomenon ever. When they
were saying outside of the courtroom that there were women
outside screaming like it was the Beatles, Like what is
happening right now? Yeah, It's like it's kind of just culturally,
it's just so weird. I know that back in the
day that there were women that thought that Ted Bundy
(17:38):
was hot, which he wasn't. I know, you always try
to argue with me about this and say, by nineteen
seventy standards, he looked like, no, he was never handsome.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Ever, I'm sorry, I'm gonna stick by my argument that
he was handsome by nineteen seventy. Nobody's saying he's like
celebrity superstar hot. He was a decent looking, average man.
Did you ever see a picture of Elvis like he was.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
There's plenty of men that were hot in that day
that you could still appreciate that it would be like
he was a normal person. Yet, No, what's different? What's
different about men now than before?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Because even back then they had VIP treatment, Like if
they had pimples, they had somebody telling them how to
take care of them. They were dressed really well, they
did their hair nice, did you know? Yes? All right, anyway,
so well, But the.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Thing is is that in this case, and I've said
this before, that I think that Luigi Maggioni is a
fine specimen.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I will I will not argue with that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Like Nancy Grace is always like, who would think he's attractive?
And I'm like, well I do, actually, but I don't
think what he did was attractive at all. But like,
come on, let's talk about let's talk about that video
I sent you on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh my god, wait, which which.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
The one of so this guy did this hilarious? I
wish we could find actually, we could probably find it
in our messages, this guy did this thing making fun
of Luigi Mancioni saying that he like purposely goes into
court looking like America's.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Next top model. Yeah yeah, and he.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Was like all show like dressed up with the sweater
on and the shoes and stuff and taking like lambshots.
It just was so it was so funny because it's true,
like this guy, he's he's calculated and manipulative and he
knows exactly what he's doing. And I bet if you
want to go as far as saying, because obviously he
didn't just shoot this guy in self defense, he planned
(19:36):
this murder for a long time, making a three D
gun and everything that went into this, do you think
it's possible that he planned making these sex tapes that
would come out after he was incarcerated.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean, yeah, I can. I think he's an incredibly
intelligent person based on information we know so far. Obviously,
the trial still has to come out. I feel like
when he's at trial, it's going to reveal how smart
he was implanning this whole attack in general. And yeah,
I think he knows he's attractive. I think, you know,
the friend was trying to suggest that he liked to
(20:10):
be watched and like being googled after and everything, so like, well,
the biggest thing to take from this is that people
that have seen the videos are like, this isn't some
grainy home video. This was high level porn calculated like
he wanted it to look a certain way, And that
is interesting to me because if you were just making
(20:31):
that to look at yourself or show between your friends, like,
why would you go through all of that? But at
the same time, the friends were saying that he was
allegedly really scared of having a porn addiction and thought
that watching too much porn could prevent you from having
a good real life connection with somebody. So it's weird
that you would have that fear that people allegedly know about,
(20:54):
and then you would be going making these high level
production videos and of course everybody's like, well, who's in
the videos with him? But they're saying that the girls
might be afraid to come forward because they don't want
to get wrapped up in this case, you know, probably
thinking they're just having hot sex with a hot guy
and now all of a sudden, it's like the biggest
trial of the year, and they don't want to be
(21:16):
wrapped into it and getting death threats when they were
just like gets out breast. They'll probably be like the
most admired women in the world right now, Oh they
will from some people. I mean, have you met anybody anytime?
Oct anybody threats? I know it's right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I was thinking that, Like, listen, I'm with the octomom.
I'm like, I like, I look at her, and I'm
just kind of like, dude that if you can't afford
to even have the six kids you have him, why
are you having more? Like I think that way right,
But like there's where it ends. I don't even care.
I wouldn't even care to make a phone call to
my local congress person to complain about it. Like it's
(21:51):
do you know how much money is wasted on things
like that? Every single day? It's like, what's another a
couple hundred dollars a month? As far as I'm concerned,
I don't know who would ever like make death threats
over that. It's like worry about your own life kind
of thing.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I don't know. She must have had money at some point,
because do you know how expensive IVF is and nearly
no insurance policy.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Covers well clearly this guy is like not so legit, right,
So maybe she was getting a discount or something.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, or maybe he was trying to do experimental treatments
and she got it for free. I don't know, but
I was the whole time I'm thinking about this, I'm
like all of her kids were can see via IVF.
I'm like, you know, it was two thousand and nine,
but it was still expensive back then. So let's say
it's like ten grand per kid back then, that's a
lot of money to have children. Well, maybe the dude
(22:38):
had money or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
By getting back to Luigi, I'm like really looking forward
to a forensic psychologist or psychiatrist, like going on the
stand and talking about him.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I thought you were going to say you're really looking
forward to the tapes coming to Like, oh, I want
to Actually I was going to search for them later.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I was one if That's why I asked you where
they were, because I was going to go to like
Reddit right after this and look them up. No, but
like I am interested because he has like this weird
you're saying, like he's doing porn, but then he's scared
about porn's he has money and has no connection to
the healthcare field, but then he did this this act.
(23:20):
It's just like a very interesting way that he acts.
So I am looking forward to getting into the mind
of Luigi.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
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We are working right now on Ruby Frank. I don't know,
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Speaker 2 (24:35):
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been watching? I think hulu documentary is called The Devil
in the Family. It just came out, but it's like
it's on Hulu, It's front page on Hulu. But I
am deep in the research on this one, and I
am repulsed and disgusted. I had no idea how horrific
this really was. Of course they're blaming COVID and the
(24:56):
pandemic and their religion. It's like, you will even believe
where this goes. And I'm sorry, but like the husband,
he's guilty too. We'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I thought that's I've thought that from the beginning too so,
And just to summarize that case really quick for those
of you who aren't familiar, it was this woman who
was a YouTube influencer that was abusing her kids.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's I mean, there's a lot more to the story
like that. She was also LIKEX but yeah, she was also.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Like a like a family influencer. It's not like she
was doing something else. It was like she was trying
to tell other people how to be a good parent.
And then it's really disturbing. We also have a really
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Speaker 1 (25:47):
Okay, let's get into medical news.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
A new study has come out and revealed that bacterial
vaginosis can be passed to women by male sexual partners.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Okay, so this is really interesting and for actually, I
think that I wanted to talk about this because most
of you have probably had BEV at some point in
your life. Just because you're a woman, you have a vagina,
you have sex like this, things could happen right and
it Unfortunately, it could cause an unpleasant smell sometimes they
say it's like a fishy smelling discharge. And it also
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could cause some problems with miscarriage, premature birth, and infertility.
So it is important if you think that you have
that going on, to go to the doctor and get
it checked because you could just get antibiotics to help it.
But unfortunately a lot of women have this and they
don't even know it because they don't get any of
those symptoms. Like obviously, if you're smelling something fishy down there,
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you're going to usually go to the doctor and get
it taken care of, but there might be other things
that you're kind of like, it's a little red or itchy,
but you're not really sure. So what happens is is
that there's this normal bacteria that's down there and it's
a fine balance. And this is why they always say
the vagina is like a self cleaning oven. Don't touch it,
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don't put douche in it. Especially even perfumes are anything.
You don't want to mess up that balance because if
you do, then the good bacteria becomes less and the
bad bacteria becomes more and that causes bacterial vaginosis.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So in the.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Past they've said, even though having sex is considered a
risk factor for bacterial vaginosis, they've never said that it's
a sexually transmitted infection.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They just act like it's on the woman alone.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And now they did this study where they took two
groups of monogamous heterosexual couples that had bacterial vaginosis.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So there was.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Eighty one women and men in one group, eighty three
women and men in the other group. One group, both
the couple, the woman and the man was given oral
and topical antibiotics, and in the other group it was
only the women given the antibiotics, so this is like
a pretty large group of people to be able to
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monitor what's going on with this.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And they found that the.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Women, where the men and the women were both being treated,
there was less of a reoccurrence of bacterial vaginosis, like
a significant amount less. And they the women also significantly
took a longer time to get BV again, so they're saying, Okay,
if you get BV, you really should get your partner
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to get tested for it. Well, I don't know if
they would even need to get tested for it, just
treated for it, and that would be make it less
likely for it to reoccur. I think this is I'm
sure they'll do more studies before they make this word,
but this is really important because people have issues with
this and you're like, oh cool the whole time. If
the guy just got treated too, it just makes sense
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because you're just you're having sex. You could pass it
back and forth to each other. You could do the
same thing with a yeast infection, so it just kind
of makes sense. I'm surprised it's taken this long, honestly.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, I was gonna say that because it's pretty common, right,
I mean, this article is saying that it could affect
up to one third of reproductive age women. That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's common, but like most women don't want to sit
there and be like, my badge smells like fish.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So well, I was gonna I was just about to
ask you this too. When they're conducting a study like this,
they're putting an ad out there obviously and being like,
we're doing this study. Who wants to participate? It is?
It is very interesting? I'm thinking that. So let's say you.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Go to the gynecologist and you say you get diagnosed
with BB. It might be the gynocologist can't approach the
patient and say, hey, we're doing a study, would you
be interested in taking part in it? That's because it
both both the women in both cases were treated throughout
the study, so you're getting treated anyway. So they would
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say because they'll pay. I mean, sometimes it's good. They'll say, hey,
if you and your husband come in once a week
and you just document this stuff, we'll pay you a
couple hundred dollars. Like people want to do it. There's
no harm in it if they if people want to
do it, so that's probably how they're getting the patients
is when they're getting diagnosed.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm assuming they.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Might have ads out too, But see when they're doing
studies like that, they want to control the medications and stuff.
So if you just find this ad and you're like, oh,
I've been on antibiotics for two days from this doctor, like,
they might not. They might want it all under one
roof because that's how you know, you get legitimacy with
the study and everything. So I'm not exactly sure how
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they because it's it's a lot of people that they found.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Over are they even recruiting these people?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Well, because because women get it all the time, it's
just it's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You can have it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like a lot of times they say it's just from
like multiple sexual partners and this and that, and it's
like we used to call it in school. This is
really funny. When we were going to pa school, one
of my my classmates started having with this new guy
and then she had she was like, oh my god,
I'm getting like that weird ish And then we were
(31:06):
all talking about it one day and we called it
enz or new cock.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We used to be like n C.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And in fact we called her boyfriend and who's now
her husband at the time, we called him en c
like the entire time we were in school.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
It was so funny, but it was.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It was because it's like a thing like any woman
could sit there and say, like, you get like a
little bit different down there when you're introducing new things.
So I think that, I think it's really cool, and
I guess it's Technically, I still wouldn't consider it to
be like a sexually transmitted infection because they still have
to do studies to make sure that if I guess,
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if a guy is having sex outside of the relationship
and then bringing it back and things like that, I mean,
I don't see that it would be any different. But
it's now it's proven that it's going back and forth,
which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, all right. In Somalia, this boy was taken the
get a circumcision. He was only seven days old and
this is a common practice in East Africa, so not
unusual that he'd be getting it done. But the surgeon
that they hired to do this was pretty inexperienced. He
ended up watching the procedure and then the boy's penis
had to be amputated as a result. God, I hate
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hearing this. It's so sad. Well, it's just preventable, you know,
it is.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I mean, you have to think they do. I mean,
I'm anti circumcision. I wouldn't get it done if I
had a boy, but I know that people do. I
know people do it for religious reasons and it's done
all the time with no complications at all.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
In this case.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
This is and not to say that that couldn't happen
in America, because it surely could. But in this case,
he was using a cautery tool to do it, and
that is not recommended to be used, just because a
baby has like this, very very sensitive immature skin that
is very it's just very fragile and easy to damage.
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So a cautery is what we call like a hot knife.
It uses heat to cut the skin instead of actual
like a cold knife, which would be a scalpel blade.
And unfortunately, he burned the skin and the head of
the penis so bad that it had to be removed.
It killed the tip of his penis. It turned black
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and he had to have it amputated, and then he
had to further keep getting amputations. It just so terrible,
and then it got to the point where it was
starting to get so scarred up and stuff. They had
to put a catheter inside of his urethra to make
sure his urethra didn't close shut, and luckily they were
able to prevent any further narrowing of that. But he's
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essentially left looking like a female at this point. He
has no penis, and just imagine being a parent of
a child and having to go through that. Not that
it's everything, but it's definitely a lot of things. So
it's just a lot to go through, and we didn't.
So we had a case. I don't know if we
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reported on this podcast or when we were doing it
in the gross room, but there was another case of
a circumcision happening. But that was in Florida, remember it
was It was done in by some doctor who.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think it was on here.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I feel like it was too and the and the
practice had to end up paying the family one hundred
million dollars because they their son had to get his
penis amputated.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I feel like it was because I feel like the
clip we posted was like really controversial, like people were
freaking out and it was.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So that happened back in twenty and twenty one. Yeah,
because remember that guy was a guynecologist and he just
had a patient that died after childbirth and then he
did this. I believe he did it at home or something.
It was like a really weird thing. Yeah, so yeah,
we talked about that on here. We have a couple
cases in the grossroom, two of a ritual ones circumcisions
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on boys as well as female circumcisions. So if you
just go to the grocerroom and type in circumcision, you
could see all of those cases as well. And I
think it's more disturbing to see the pictures of it
because you're just like, oh my god, this is the family,
the kids. It's just it's just like their's life is
just so hard, just having like another thing on top
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of it.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's just terrible. Yeah, all right. In the UK, this
woman gave birth to a baby girl when she was
seventeen years old, and as her baby started getting older,
she realized she really missed the infant phase. So that's
when she decided to buy a baby doll and raise
the real baby and the baby doll together. This is
just so weird.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
This whole entire I'm like really interested in it, This
whole entire culture of these reborn dolls. They're like twenty
five grand something.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That to me is outraged. I mean, they look really
good and if somebody's making them, they definitely should be
charging that much money for them, because apparently they feel real,
like they're eyes, like they just look like real humans
and feel like real humans. But remember we had a
story back in September when we were talking about a
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woman that had these dolls and would like breastfeed them.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, and they said, that's pretty common in the community.
And you know, you must be asking, like, what is
the purpose of a twenty five thousand dollars baby doll?
Most commonly it's bought by women who experience like a
baby that does or they have miscarriages, or they're dealing
with infertility or something.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Or like they said in the article as well, that
women are buying these dolls because they simply cannot afford
to have real children. Now, and listen, I get that,
because kids cost a shit ton of money, But.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Twenty five thousand dollars for a doll compared to raising
a kid, I mean, I'm not saying that having children
is not expended, and it's definitely like.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You could do it a lot cheaper than if you
if you had your kid and you were at home
and you were feeding them like cheaper food and sending
them to public school and things like that, it would
take a while to add up to twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Really, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And like, if you're so you eat, if you breast
feed the kid for the first two years, and like
they're not they're just eating.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
They don't really eat that much.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like my kids are like ten and eleven, they still
don't really eat that much. They could just, you know,
they could share an adult portion for the cells and stuff.
I mean, yeah, like it definitely costs money to have kids.
But if you're putting out that much for a fake
doll and you're not getting in return like what children
bring to you, I don't know. I just think it's
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I just think this is fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I think it's unusual. I even think it's weird if
you have a loss.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I just think like whatever people could do them, I
just personally think it's like it's.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's just a little weird to me. Yeah, and they
were asking nicking your tit in a doll's mouth. No,
that's that's taking it too far. I understand getting the
doll made if you have I can't even imagine the
tragedy of having a baby that dies you're having a miscarriage.
I really can't imagine it.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I understand can either give it like that situation, I
don't think. I just can't see how that really helps.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Sticking your tit in a doll is just like inappropriate
and crossing a line. I just I can't be on
board with that. And then they were asking her if
they thought her real child was gonna be jealous of
the baby, and she was like, well, obviously I prioritize
the time with the real child. Why did do you
even get the baby doll? It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's weird, And listen, I get that, Like I look
back at pictures of the kids when they were babies,
and I'm like, oh, they were so cute, and I'm
never gonna get that time back.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But I never like feel like I need to get
it back though that much.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I mean, that's like why these two cycles on and
you have grandkids or your friends have kids or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Like it's different with you too, because when I eventually
have kids, you'll still be pretty young. So like you'll
get you'll have access to a baby pretty.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Much like it's going to be the best baby because
I could give it back exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
All right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.
Every Friday at the at mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys get head over to our story and ask
us a question. First, how frequent have you seen metastatic
breast cancer in autopsy? Is it a death sentence so
believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I haven't seen it a whole lot in autopsy because
a lot of the times people know their family member
is having stage four cancer and they just don't want
to get an autopsy because they know why they died.
So it's it's crazy because you would think so many
people die from this, But we don't do a lot
of autopsy on stage four cancers. Not that I haven't
(39:49):
seen it, because I surely have, but just not a lot.
I have, however, seen a lot of biopsies hip bones
and things like that have metastatic cancer lymph nodes and
like that, even in the brain. So it definitely does happen,
and there's a need for it in the surgical pathology
department for sure. Breast cancer, right now they're saying that
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the five year survival rate with stage four cancer is
twenty five to thirty two percent. So that's a horrible
percentage if you have stage four breast cancer, but it's
also pretty I would say it's pretty high considering stage
four is the end. They can't get any worse, so
they have a lot of treatment. I think one of
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the benefits to having if there is a benefit to
having breast cancer, is it's the most researched and funded
cancer ever, so they I just think that the treatments
and the way that they're discovering how the genes are
working with everything, and the hormones and the drugs that
they're able to give people are increasing people's lives because
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it used to be a death sentence, but now it's
it's people are living with it. So if that's happening
with you, I'm sorry, but I think that that's still
a good percentage that it leaves.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Hope all right too. As a PA, do you ever
have to assist with organ transplant retrieval and or prep
so Oregon transplants retrieval?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Not really, I've so in a PA in the hospital,
I was doing surgical pathology and autopsy. So in surgical pathology,
we're very involved with the process of organ donation because
we have the process the biopsies to make sure the
organs are good enough to transplant into people. So as
far as a PA in surgical pathology, we're very involved
(41:44):
with that. We don't do the especially live procurement, because
that's done on the floor. That's not done in the morgue.
There's been times where they come and do like cornea
retrieval and things like that, but that's not anything that
we do that at least where I've worked that the
people that the PAS that are doing the autopsies would do.
(42:08):
I've had some instances where PA friends of mine have
had side gigs working for organ retrieval services like that,
but that's another company or another process that usually comes
in before the autopsy gets done to take corne as
for example like that. But I have done autopsies where
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people have had their donated organs and bones and skin.
So sometimes you'll look at a patient and their whole
entire piece of skin off of their back is missing
because they donate their skin, or there's PVC pipes in
their legs because their bones were donated, but that's not anything.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That we actually do. We just see the after effects
of it.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Last, what is your cat's name? And do I have
any pits? I do not have any pets.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
My cat's name is Thumbkin because she has thumbs of polydactylely.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah. Any animal that has gone through the Ane Jemmy
household has had some type of medical name, starting with
our black cat Rudy. Yeah, Rudy was good, but we
had to get rid of him because of the apartment unfortunately,
short for Rudolph, Ludwig for cow. He was a cute cat. Yeah,
(43:29):
and then you had the lizard. What was the lizard's
name with cirrhosis. Yeah. The cat's names thumpkin, but we
really just call her kitty. Yeah, we call her baby
kitty kitty. But yeah, And I don't have pets and
I never will. So Maria is not an animal person.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm not. I'm not really either, like just some animals
and just one, although I try. I just recently adopted
a cat. This was I don't know if I told
you guys this story. I adopted a cat.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Maybe what was that six months ago now or more?
It was a year ago now, probably.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And she was a special needs cat. She was so cute,
she was missing an eye and a leg, and but
she came from a history of abuse, which was very clear.
Once she started living in our house, and she was
fine with us. We had her separated, you know, we
did the whole I watched the Jackson Galaxy videos and
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did the whole separation for a month between them and
slowly introduced them and everything. But and I thought, just
making an assumption beforehand, that my cat was gonna be
the one that was like, you're in my terror yes,
like you're in my territory.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Who the f for you?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I'm gonna like scratch your eyes out. And this cat
terrorized my cat so bad. I couldn't even believe it
because she was so like sweet and innocent and quiet
and just sat in the same spot all day and
then we would we would just like walk out of
the room or something, and she chased my cat and
(45:09):
like attacked her, beat the crap out of her. And
I was, you know, I called everybody at the adoption
place and just tried to figure it out. And it
became a point that my cat was becoming stressed from it.
She stopped eating and she lost some weight and her hair.
It just and I just was like, I'm sorry she
was here first, like I can't do this anymore. And
(45:31):
I felt terrible about that. But I'm hoping that she
because her foster mom really seemed like she was attached
to her. She had her for for like two years
or something. So I hope that she just went back
with her and stayed with her because she seems she
was that the cat was living with the foster mom
and there was dogs in the house and she was
completely fine with that. And I don't know, like cat
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psychology and stuff, I just I don't Maybe I just
don't particularly think that our kittie was. She was curious, right,
like she seemed to be trying to make friends.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, I definitely thought Thumpkin was gonna be the aggressor too.
But then the first when you saw the fights starting
to happen, it was pretty bad. Like the other cat,
Peggy her name was, she would hide under the couch
and like full blown attack Thumpkin when she was just
trying to walk by, and it just got.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Bad and it was stressing Peggy out too. She was
get she was like losing chunks of her hair.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
And you don't have that, and that was we.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Were only doing it really because I think we had
them separated for a while, almost a month, and then
we started introducing them and it was like it just
wasn't happening, like, and you.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Don't have the type of house where they could have
just like lived in separate areas. Your house and it's
small and everything's on top of each other.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
And I was scared, like we're home all the time mostly,
but I was scared that if I left the house
that they were going to really hurt each other. And
that's not cool to put them in a stressful life
like that.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
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Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On this episode, we
are going to be talking about Gwyneth Paltrow's reaction to
the California wildfires. Do you guys remember the octomom We'll
(00:31):
be talking about her. Of course, we're going to get
into Luigi Mangioni's sex tapes, a circumcision that has gone wrong,
and a woman who is raising a doll with her baby.
So let's get started with the celebrity news.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
All right, First, let's get into this story about Gwyneth Paltrow.
So she went on a podcast earlier this week to
discuss that during the LA wildfires in January, she was
drinking pretty much every single night, where normally she only
will have a drink once a week. Because of this,
her menopause symptoms were getting out of control. How old
is she?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I think she's fifty two, Okay, So that's actually amazing
because that's the age they say that women go through menopause.
Although I feel like I'm already going through it since
I've been forty four, so I don't I don't know.
But when I went to the doctor with all these
symptoms I'm having. She was like, oh, yeah, it's gonna
be like that, like this for ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
So I was like, oh, cool, yeah, really nice. It's
like when you go to the neeralogist for migraines and
they're like, well, unfortunately, you're just gonna have this till
you have menopause, and I'm like, cool, I'm twenty three
at this appointment. It's at least I know what decade.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
There was a point where I was going to the
migraine doctor and they were telling me that and it
seemed really far away. And now it's here and it
didn't really take.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That long to get here. So that's great, it's coming
for you.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
But some of the symptoms, for those of you who
don't know, I'm sure many of you listening go through
this stuff, with the hot flashes, night sweats, loss of
black at her control, and the mood changes are I
just see these hilarious memes on Instagram that are like,
do you hate your husband? Well, maybe you don't, maybe
it's just menopause. It's just fucking so funny. But one
(02:14):
of them is forgetfulness and brain fog, which is a
real thing, and It was really funny because when we
were at crime Con, I was talking to Kelly before
we were getting ready to go on stage, and I
said to her, I swear to God, I don't know
what's going on with me, but sometimes I'll just be
talking and I just literally forget what I'm talking about
(02:35):
and I go blank, and.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
She's like, how old are you?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
And I was like forty five or forty four, however
I was at the time, and then she said, oh yeah,
She's like, it's this menopause thing. And so when I
went right on stage, I said that before I even
started my lecture, I was like, if I just start
looking like I have this weird blank stare and I
totally forgot my train of thought, like that's why, sorry,
I'm just having this thing going on right now. So
(03:01):
she really helped me out with that, which was good
to let you know.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That it's normal.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But I guess what happened was during the wildfires, Gwyneth
Paltrow was getting so stressed out, which I don't think
it directly affected her because at the time I think
she was living in Brentwood, although I think there was
some talk that there were fires getting.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Close her house. Was fine though.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, but I mean, I'm sorry you grow up in
that city and you're just looking at it burned down.
It's devastating to everybody watching it. I mean, especially people
that are directly affected. But it's upsetting to everyone, right, No,
of course, so she said she started drinking a lot,
like every night. She went from being a regular like
once a week drinker to now it was every night
to just try to get through the stress. And believe
(03:43):
it or not, alcohol can exacerbate menopause symptoms, and that's
exactly what happened to her.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It just sucks too, because, especially if you've gone a
couple of years and been able to keep it at bay,
to just like not even think about it and have
a couple of drinks and have them pop up more regularly,
and it's like you have this extremely stressful event going
on in your life and that you're just trying to do.
You know, not that we certainly don't encourage drinking every day,
but we understand a little bit more in these situations.
(04:12):
And then the only type of stress release you have
is now making your menopause symptoms get worse.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, it and like menopause symptoms just suck. It's the
not sleeping thing, and the heat flashes at night is
cause like if you don't sleep, it ruins your whole
entire day. It's the central thing to keep you really
mentally sound and functioning throughout the day. So that's where
it starts, so I can't imagine. But there's other more
(04:40):
long term things that alcohol use can make worse too,
like it could increase the risk of osteoporosis and heart
disease even more. And also one thing I noticed that
just happened this year was that I'm starting to get
like weird fat on my abdomen, like on the sides
where I didn't ever have it before. And that's a
(05:01):
thing that you that you're waste all of a sudden
becomes not a waste anymore. Even though I go on
the scale and I weigh the same amount, my body
shape is just changing. And so obviously if you drink
alcohol and stuff that helps you that will prevent you
from keeping your normal weight even more, it might change
your body shape even more. So there's there's lots of
(05:22):
different negatives to it.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, all right, let's move on to the story about
octomom so. Back in two thousand and nine, Octomom aka
Nadia Soulman. She already had six kids and she went
to a fertility doctor saying she was hoping to have,
you know, at least one more child. So she gets
his fertility treatments done, and I guess the standard practice
(05:44):
and IVF is they'll put two embryos in you. But
this doctor told her he put six. In reality, he
put twelve embryos inside of her, and she became pregnant
with eight babies, hence the nickname Octomom. So now she
has did this docus and this biopic coming out with
Lifetime this weekend, and she's doing an interview saying she
definitely doesn't have any regrets about now having fourteen children,
(06:08):
but she does wish that she would have sued the
fertility doctor.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
All right, let's try to break this down exactly what happened,
because I remember it happening. But then I was I thought, like,
didn't something happen with her? And I looked it up
and yes, So let's start from the beginning. It seems
like she had a husband and they had these six kids.
All of her kids were from IVF. When she had
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these six kids, apparently she had a bunch of her
embryos frozen, and instead of using those frozen embryos that
she had, they were still giving her medications to and
hormone therapy to try to make an embryo again, so
she wasn't using the frozen ones, she was using these
(06:57):
newly created ones. So I guess there was a bunch
of these frozen embryos sitting aside that had to be used,
and she thought, for whatever reason, that there were six
of them left and they were going to get destroyed,
and she didn't want to think about them getting destroyed,
so she had went to that doctor and said, can
(07:18):
you put these all inside me? Which he said yes.
So I'm thinking that there were more than six, because
otherwise where did the other extra ones come from?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I'm not really I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Not really sure. But regardless, like this guy that was
the doctor that was doing the IVF on her, he's
he lost his license because of this, which is which
is a good thing, because this is completely irresponsible. But
when she decided she wanted to have these six embryos
put inside of her, which ended up being twelve, as
(07:53):
Maria said, she wasn't married to this guy anymore, so
she was planning on having a baby on top of
the six ones that she already has at least one baby.
So what happens is when they when you're trying to
have a baby, sometimes they put in more two or
three in the hopes that one will take. But sometimes,
(08:15):
as we know, twins could happen, Triplets could happen, one
of the eggs could split and cause twins. So there's
just like lots of different things that could happen.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
And in this.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Case, they put in twelve and eight of them ended
up taking, and she decided that she was going to
keep all of them. Now, sometimes if a woman gets
IVF and gets pregnant with every embryo, she could decide
to do something called selective termination, which is essentially aborting
one of them or two of them out just because.
(08:50):
I mean, there's lots of reasons women don't want to
take care of three babies, and there's lots of things
that we could.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Debate on if that's right or wrong.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, it could be a safety risk too, it's the
safety risk for multiple births. But there's a lot of
ethical things that go with that, which we're not going
to talk about right now. But for whatever reason, she
was like, I'm going to do this, and she did,
and she successfully carried eight babies and had them. It
was the first time it was ever documented, and of
(09:19):
course this is going to be a major news story. Now.
The thing that's really fucked up about this is that,
regardless of her, in my opinion, this is terrible decision
making and this doctor making terrible decisions. She went to
the hospital, and the hospital where she gave birth gave
her name and the story to the press, which is
(09:41):
so fucked up. So now this is where octamom came from.
She it doesn't appear that she was like, hey, look
at me. It was like something she was doing and
her information was given to the press without her consent.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
So she madeor hip a violet. It is.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So she do the hospital and was able to be
successful with that, but she's forever branded octomom. I remember
it being this big thing, and but there was there
were people that were giving her death threats and shit,
because they're they're like, how are you going to afford
to take care of all these babies? And it didn't
really seem like she she really had any kind of
(10:20):
career or was independently wealthy. So from the time that
she did this up until recently, she's had lots of
financial problems, filed bankruptcy. She even did porn at some point.
I don't know if you remember that to make money.
Because she was saying, and this was only a couple
I think it was twenty seventeen, she was saying that
(10:43):
it was costing her five thousand dollars a month to
take care of her kids, but she only got fifteen
hundred dollars from the government for food stamps, so she
needed to supplement the income. And that's kind of the
shit that people were getting pissed off about, because it's like,
if you if you can't afford to take care of
your kids, why are you having more? But like you
could say that about so many people, and there can't
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really be laws to say you could have this many
kids according to how much money you make or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But yeah, because also she wasn't Yes, she was intending
on having at least seven children, but she wasn't intending
to have fourteen children. And I guess there is some
risk where there could have been additional babies, but I
don't think she truly thought she was gonna be pregnant
with eight children when she went in for IVF that time.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Well, yeah, and I mean, like I said, the whole
ethics of that is like, if you're walking in and
you know they're putting those in, there's a chance of that.
But obviously, this guy, I mean, this guy.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Could have really killed her.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I mean, six would have been abuse as it is.
So she's lucky she survived that, and then she kept
the babies and they all survived it too, But I
mean that was a huge strain on her health and everything.
So he lost his license, luckily. And now she was
saying that she would want to assume them.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I don't really know if she could have. I mean,
I guess she could have sued them for putting twelve in,
but she did consent to putting six in. So what's
the difference at this point if you have six babies
or eight babies, Like, it's a lot. And just thinking
like she's now she's I think she's my age, right,
or a little bit younger than me, or she's forty five,
(12:25):
is she's around my age or something, and she has
like fourteen kids, which is just I can't even believe it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So I wonder if her ex husband had signed off
on her using the embryos. I'm really curious about this
because so many couples, especially wealthier couples today, are making
embryos in their early thirties and then you know, not
necessarily using all of them, or they'll use one and
then they have some in storage. So I don't know
(12:52):
if you know this, but Severe Sophia Virgara, the actress,
she had embryos with her ex, and after they got
divorced or split up or broke up whatever, he wanted
to go forward and use the embryos with the surrogate,
and she was like, no, like, these are my half
my babies, and I don't want to do that and
I don't want children out there that I didn't consent
(13:13):
to being in this world. And she sued him and
she won.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, and I think that she has every right to.
And I don't know, because that's what the way that
all of the articles are written. She filed for divorce
and went through divorce within a year of getting pregnant,
and it said that she didn't want them to get destroyed.
So I'm not sure if she like quick and did
it before the guy had a chance to get them destroyed.
(13:40):
But I mean, technically, isn't he legally responsible for those children?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, I think that's why the conversation comes up. But
I think it's difficult because in the grand scheme of things,
it's a newer technology we have, having IVF, even though
it's been around for a couple of decades. And then
you have this argument where like in Sophie Vergara's case,
for example, she has a right to not want the
embryos to become full blown babies because they're fifty percent
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her babies. But what about her ex having fifty percent
responsibility and wanting them to become children. You know what
I mean, It's a fifty to fifty split.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So well, I mean, can't in theory he just have
other kids? Well, yeah, of course, I mean, like it's
kind of I just think it's kind of weird if
you're divorced and you want to have babies with the X,
It's just like.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Why, No, I'm not defending him at all, Like, I
think she's in the right, and I think if you
make that decision as a couple together, you need to
be one hundred percent on board with what happens. Afterward.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, it is an it is a very interesting legal thing,
but I just still can't wrap my brain around. I
actually wish I worked at the hospital where that happened,
because I would love to see the placentas of what
was happening in there, and just just curious from a
medical perspective, I mean, did you ever see the pictures
of her belly when she was pregnant.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
It was out of control. Yeah, it looks it looks
like prosthetic. It doesn't even look real.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It looks like it's like it's a doctored photo. It's
just it really is crazy. So it's kind of remarkable
that she was able to even pull that off. I
just the whole thing is I think she's got the
kids are ten or eleven now, no, they're sixteen. Oh
they're sixteen yeaeah. I'm just thinking like what you're yeah,
(15:26):
like do you want?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Do you want?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I mean, now, my kids are great at their age,
they're ten and eleven, but imagine having well even teenagers,
imagine having eight teenagers at the same time. And but
think about when they were babies and when they were toddlers.
I mean, she there was a point that she checked
herself into this rehab center. I don't think she was
doing drugs or anything. It was just for like exhaustion
(15:51):
and anxiety, and like duh, I mean, and especially she
was a single mom, so I and and she doesn't
It's not like she's a multi millionaire that she could
pay all these people to help her out.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
So I'm curious too why they kept having her make
fresh embryos because storing existing embryos is so expensive, And
why wouldn't you want to use the ones you already
know were.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I'm not sure that that was done to her consent
or something. I just really don't know. Yeah, I mean
it admits they don't, you know how like you always
look this shit up and it's like they don't. They
don't answer every question, and you're like, I don't know
the whole story. Just I just pieced it together. Okay,
this was the year she was married, she had the
kids with that guy, This is the year she got divorced.
(16:37):
Like I tried to figure it out, but nobody actually
just writes it out step by step, and that's what
we all want to know, right, Yeah, exactly, Okay, true crime.
This is this is a story everyone's talking about online.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
New weird twist in the Luigi manngio Ani case is
that a friend came forward and said that he made
at least over twenty sex tapes. So where are these
sex tapes? I'm curious about that as well. And I think,
you know, we've talked about before how there's just a
lot of fanfare because he's considered a very attractive person,
and I just think this is fueling that with his supporters.
(17:13):
I've read he's been getting sent a lot of nude
pictures while he's been in jails.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
This is like the weirdest fucking phenomenon ever. When they
were saying outside of the courtroom that there were women
outside screaming like it was the Beatles, Like what is
happening right now? Yeah, It's like it's kind of just culturally,
it's just so weird. I know that back in the
day that there were women that thought that Ted Bundy
(17:38):
was hot, which he wasn't. I know, you always try
to argue with me about this and say, by nineteen
seventy standards, he looked like, no, he was never handsome.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Ever, I'm sorry, I'm gonna stick by my argument that
he was handsome by nineteen seventy. Nobody's saying he's like
celebrity superstar hot. He was a decent looking, average man.
Did you ever see a picture of Elvis like he was.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
There's plenty of men that were hot in that day
that you could still appreciate that it would be like
he was a normal person. Yet, No, what's different? What's
different about men now than before?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Because even back then they had VIP treatment, Like if
they had pimples, they had somebody telling them how to
take care of them. They were dressed really well, they
did their hair nice, did you know? Yes? All right, anyway,
so well, But the.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Thing is is that in this case, and I've said
this before, that I think that Luigi Maggioni is a
fine specimen.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I will I will not argue with that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Like Nancy Grace is always like, who would think he's attractive?
And I'm like, well I do, actually, but I don't
think what he did was attractive at all. But like,
come on, let's talk about let's talk about that video
I sent you on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh my god, wait, which which.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
The one of so this guy did this hilarious? I
wish we could find actually, we could probably find it
in our messages, this guy did this thing making fun
of Luigi Mancioni saying that he like purposely goes into
court looking like America's.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Next top model. Yeah yeah, and he.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Was like all show like dressed up with the sweater
on and the shoes and stuff and taking like lambshots.
It just was so it was so funny because it's true,
like this guy, he's he's calculated and manipulative and he
knows exactly what he's doing. And I bet if you
want to go as far as saying, because obviously he
didn't just shoot this guy in self defense, he planned
(19:36):
this murder for a long time, making a three D
gun and everything that went into this, do you think
it's possible that he planned making these sex tapes that
would come out after he was incarcerated.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean, yeah, I can. I think he's an incredibly
intelligent person based on information we know so far. Obviously,
the trial still has to come out. I feel like
when he's at trial, it's going to reveal how smart
he was implanning this whole attack in general. And yeah,
I think he knows he's attractive. I think, you know,
the friend was trying to suggest that he liked to
(20:10):
be watched and like being googled after and everything, so like, well,
the biggest thing to take from this is that people
that have seen the videos are like, this isn't some
grainy home video. This was high level porn calculated like
he wanted it to look a certain way, And that
is interesting to me because if you were just making
(20:31):
that to look at yourself or show between your friends, like,
why would you go through all of that? But at
the same time, the friends were saying that he was
allegedly really scared of having a porn addiction and thought
that watching too much porn could prevent you from having
a good real life connection with somebody. So it's weird
that you would have that fear that people allegedly know about,
(20:54):
and then you would be going making these high level
production videos and of course everybody's like, well, who's in
the videos with him? But they're saying that the girls
might be afraid to come forward because they don't want
to get wrapped up in this case, you know, probably
thinking they're just having hot sex with a hot guy
and now all of a sudden, it's like the biggest
trial of the year, and they don't want to be
(21:16):
wrapped into it and getting death threats when they were
just like gets out breast. They'll probably be like the
most admired women in the world right now, Oh they
will from some people. I mean, have you met anybody anytime?
Oct anybody threats? I know it's right.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I was thinking that, Like, listen, I'm with the octomom.
I'm like, I like, I look at her, and I'm
just kind of like, dude that if you can't afford
to even have the six kids you have him, why
are you having more? Like I think that way right,
But like there's where it ends. I don't even care.
I wouldn't even care to make a phone call to
my local congress person to complain about it. Like it's
(21:51):
do you know how much money is wasted on things
like that? Every single day? It's like, what's another a
couple hundred dollars a month? As far as I'm concerned,
I don't know who would ever like make death threats
over that. It's like worry about your own life kind
of thing.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I don't know. She must have had money at some point,
because do you know how expensive IVF is and nearly
no insurance policy.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Covers well clearly this guy is like not so legit, right,
So maybe she was getting a discount or something.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, or maybe he was trying to do experimental treatments
and she got it for free. I don't know, but
I was the whole time I'm thinking about this, I'm
like all of her kids were can see via IVF.
I'm like, you know, it was two thousand and nine,
but it was still expensive back then. So let's say
it's like ten grand per kid back then, that's a
lot of money to have children. Well, maybe the dude
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had money or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
By getting back to Luigi, I'm like really looking forward
to a forensic psychologist or psychiatrist, like going on the
stand and talking about him.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I thought you were going to say you're really looking
forward to the tapes coming to Like, oh, I want
to Actually I was going to search for them later.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I was one if That's why I asked you where
they were, because I was going to go to like
Reddit right after this and look them up. No, but
like I am interested because he has like this weird
you're saying, like he's doing porn, but then he's scared
about porn's he has money and has no connection to
the healthcare field, but then he did this this act.
(23:20):
It's just like a very interesting way that he acts.
So I am looking forward to getting into the mind
of Luigi.
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(24:56):
pandemic and their religion. It's like, you will even believe
where this goes. And I'm sorry, but like the husband,
he's guilty too. We'll get into that.
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And just to summarize that case really quick for those
of you who aren't familiar, it was this woman who
was a YouTube influencer that was abusing her kids.
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Okay, let's get into medical news.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
A new study has come out and revealed that bacterial
vaginosis can be passed to women by male sexual partners.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Okay, so this is really interesting and for actually, I
think that I wanted to talk about this because most
of you have probably had BEV at some point in
your life. Just because you're a woman, you have a vagina,
you have sex like this, things could happen right and
it Unfortunately, it could cause an unpleasant smell sometimes they
say it's like a fishy smelling discharge. And it also
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could cause some problems with miscarriage, premature birth, and infertility.
So it is important if you think that you have
that going on, to go to the doctor and get
it checked because you could just get antibiotics to help it.
But unfortunately a lot of women have this and they
don't even know it because they don't get any of
those symptoms. Like obviously, if you're smelling something fishy down there,
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you're going to usually go to the doctor and get
it taken care of, but there might be other things
that you're kind of like, it's a little red or itchy,
but you're not really sure. So what happens is is
that there's this normal bacteria that's down there and it's
a fine balance. And this is why they always say
the vagina is like a self cleaning oven. Don't touch it,
(27:02):
don't put douche in it. Especially even perfumes are anything.
You don't want to mess up that balance because if
you do, then the good bacteria becomes less and the
bad bacteria becomes more and that causes bacterial vaginosis.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So in the.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Past they've said, even though having sex is considered a
risk factor for bacterial vaginosis, they've never said that it's
a sexually transmitted infection.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
They just act like it's on the woman alone.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
And now they did this study where they took two
groups of monogamous heterosexual couples that had bacterial vaginosis.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
So there was.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Eighty one women and men in one group, eighty three
women and men in the other group. One group, both
the couple, the woman and the man was given oral
and topical antibiotics, and in the other group it was
only the women given the antibiotics, so this is like
a pretty large group of people to be able to
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monitor what's going on with this.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And they found that the.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Women, where the men and the women were both being treated,
there was less of a reoccurrence of bacterial vaginosis, like
a significant amount less. And they the women also significantly
took a longer time to get BV again, so they're saying, Okay,
if you get BV, you really should get your partner
(28:27):
to get tested for it. Well, I don't know if
they would even need to get tested for it, just
treated for it, and that would be make it less
likely for it to reoccur. I think this is I'm
sure they'll do more studies before they make this word,
but this is really important because people have issues with
this and you're like, oh cool the whole time. If
the guy just got treated too, it just makes sense
(28:49):
because you're just you're having sex. You could pass it
back and forth to each other. You could do the
same thing with a yeast infection, so it just kind
of makes sense. I'm surprised it's taken this long, honestly.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, I was gonna say that because it's pretty common, right,
I mean, this article is saying that it could affect
up to one third of reproductive age women. That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's common, but like most women don't want to sit
there and be like, my badge smells like fish.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So well, I was gonna I was just about to
ask you this too. When they're conducting a study like this,
they're putting an ad out there obviously and being like,
we're doing this study. Who wants to participate? It is?
It is very interesting? I'm thinking that. So let's say you.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Go to the gynecologist and you say you get diagnosed
with BB. It might be the gynocologist can't approach the
patient and say, hey, we're doing a study, would you
be interested in taking part in it? That's because it
both both the women in both cases were treated throughout
the study, so you're getting treated anyway. So they would
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say because they'll pay. I mean, sometimes it's good. They'll say, hey,
if you and your husband come in once a week
and you just document this stuff, we'll pay you a
couple hundred dollars. Like people want to do it. There's
no harm in it if they if people want to
do it, so that's probably how they're getting the patients
is when they're getting diagnosed.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
I'm assuming they.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Might have ads out too, But see when they're doing
studies like that, they want to control the medications and stuff.
So if you just find this ad and you're like, oh,
I've been on antibiotics for two days from this doctor, like,
they might not. They might want it all under one
roof because that's how you know, you get legitimacy with
the study and everything. So I'm not exactly sure how
(30:30):
they because it's it's a lot of people that they found.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Over are they even recruiting these people?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Well, because because women get it all the time, it's
just it's the way it is.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
You can have it.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Like a lot of times they say it's just from
like multiple sexual partners and this and that, and it's
like we used to call it in school. This is
really funny. When we were going to pa school, one
of my my classmates started having with this new guy
and then she had she was like, oh my god,
I'm getting like that weird ish And then we were
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all talking about it one day and we called it
enz or new cock.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We used to be like n C.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
And in fact we called her boyfriend and who's now
her husband at the time, we called him en c
like the entire time we were in school.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
It was so funny, but it was.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It was because it's like a thing like any woman
could sit there and say, like, you get like a
little bit different down there when you're introducing new things.
So I think that, I think it's really cool, and
I guess it's Technically, I still wouldn't consider it to
be like a sexually transmitted infection because they still have
to do studies to make sure that if I guess,
(31:43):
if a guy is having sex outside of the relationship
and then bringing it back and things like that, I mean,
I don't see that it would be any different. But
it's now it's proven that it's going back and forth,
which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, all right. In Somalia, this boy was taken the
get a circumcision. He was only seven days old and
this is a common practice in East Africa, so not
unusual that he'd be getting it done. But the surgeon
that they hired to do this was pretty inexperienced. He
ended up watching the procedure and then the boy's penis
had to be amputated as a result. God, I hate
(32:17):
hearing this. It's so sad. Well, it's just preventable, you know,
it is.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I mean, you have to think they do. I mean,
I'm anti circumcision. I wouldn't get it done if I
had a boy, but I know that people do. I
know people do it for religious reasons and it's done
all the time with no complications at all.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
In this case.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
This is and not to say that that couldn't happen
in America, because it surely could. But in this case,
he was using a cautery tool to do it, and
that is not recommended to be used, just because a
baby has like this, very very sensitive immature skin that
is very it's just very fragile and easy to damage.
(32:58):
So a cautery is what we call like a hot knife.
It uses heat to cut the skin instead of actual
like a cold knife, which would be a scalpel blade.
And unfortunately, he burned the skin and the head of
the penis so bad that it had to be removed.
It killed the tip of his penis. It turned black
(33:19):
and he had to have it amputated, and then he
had to further keep getting amputations. It just so terrible,
and then it got to the point where it was
starting to get so scarred up and stuff. They had
to put a catheter inside of his urethra to make
sure his urethra didn't close shut, and luckily they were
able to prevent any further narrowing of that. But he's
(33:42):
essentially left looking like a female at this point. He
has no penis, and just imagine being a parent of
a child and having to go through that. Not that
it's everything, but it's definitely a lot of things. So
it's just a lot to go through, and we didn't.
So we had a case. I don't know if we
(34:03):
reported on this podcast or when we were doing it
in the gross room, but there was another case of
a circumcision happening. But that was in Florida, remember it
was It was done in by some doctor who.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I think it was on here.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I feel like it was too and the and the
practice had to end up paying the family one hundred
million dollars because they their son had to get his
penis amputated.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I feel like it was because I feel like the
clip we posted was like really controversial, like people were
freaking out and it was.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
So that happened back in twenty and twenty one. Yeah,
because remember that guy was a guynecologist and he just
had a patient that died after childbirth and then he
did this. I believe he did it at home or something.
It was like a really weird thing. Yeah, so yeah,
we talked about that on here. We have a couple
cases in the grossroom, two of a ritual ones circumcisions
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on boys as well as female circumcisions. So if you
just go to the grocerroom and type in circumcision, you
could see all of those cases as well. And I
think it's more disturbing to see the pictures of it
because you're just like, oh my god, this is the family,
the kids. It's just it's just like their's life is
just so hard, just having like another thing on top
(35:28):
of it.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
It's just terrible. Yeah, all right. In the UK, this
woman gave birth to a baby girl when she was
seventeen years old, and as her baby started getting older,
she realized she really missed the infant phase. So that's
when she decided to buy a baby doll and raise
the real baby and the baby doll together. This is
just so weird.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
This whole entire I'm like really interested in it, This
whole entire culture of these reborn dolls. They're like twenty
five grand something.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I know.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That to me is outraged. I mean, they look really
good and if somebody's making them, they definitely should be
charging that much money for them, because apparently they feel real,
like they're eyes, like they just look like real humans
and feel like real humans. But remember we had a
story back in September when we were talking about a
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woman that had these dolls and would like breastfeed them.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, and they said, that's pretty common in the community.
And you know, you must be asking, like, what is
the purpose of a twenty five thousand dollars baby doll?
Most commonly it's bought by women who experience like a
baby that does or they have miscarriages, or they're dealing
with infertility or something.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Or like they said in the article as well, that
women are buying these dolls because they simply cannot afford
to have real children. Now, and listen, I get that,
because kids cost a shit ton of money, But.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Twenty five thousand dollars for a doll compared to raising
a kid, I mean, I'm not saying that having children
is not expended, and it's definitely like.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
You could do it a lot cheaper than if you
if you had your kid and you were at home
and you were feeding them like cheaper food and sending
them to public school and things like that, it would
take a while to add up to twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Really, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
And like, if you're so you eat, if you breast
feed the kid for the first two years, and like
they're not they're just eating.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
They don't really eat that much.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Like my kids are like ten and eleven, they still
don't really eat that much. They could just, you know,
they could share an adult portion for the cells and stuff.
I mean, yeah, like it definitely costs money to have kids.
But if you're putting out that much for a fake
doll and you're not getting in return like what children
bring to you, I don't know. I just think it's
(37:46):
I just think this is fucking weird.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
I think it's unusual. I even think it's weird if
you have a loss.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I just think like whatever people could do them, I
just personally think it's like it's.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
It's just a little weird to me. Yeah, and they
were asking nicking your tit in a doll's mouth. No,
that's that's taking it too far. I understand getting the
doll made if you have I can't even imagine the
tragedy of having a baby that dies you're having a miscarriage.
I really can't imagine it.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I understand can either give it like that situation, I
don't think. I just can't see how that really helps.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Sticking your tit in a doll is just like inappropriate
and crossing a line. I just I can't be on
board with that. And then they were asking her if
they thought her real child was gonna be jealous of
the baby, and she was like, well, obviously I prioritize
the time with the real child. Why did do you
even get the baby doll? It's so weird.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
It's weird, And listen, I get that, Like I look
back at pictures of the kids when they were babies,
and I'm like, oh, they were so cute, and I'm
never gonna get that time back.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But I never like feel like I need to get
it back though that much.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I mean, that's like why these two cycles on and
you have grandkids or your friends have kids or whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Like it's different with you too, because when I eventually
have kids, you'll still be pretty young. So like you'll
get you'll have access to a baby pretty.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Much like it's going to be the best baby because
I could give it back exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
All right, let's move on to Questions of the Day.
Every Friday at the at mother Knows Death Instagram account,
you guys get head over to our story and ask
us a question. First, how frequent have you seen metastatic
breast cancer in autopsy? Is it a death sentence so
believe it or not.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
I haven't seen it a whole lot in autopsy because
a lot of the times people know their family member
is having stage four cancer and they just don't want
to get an autopsy because they know why they died.
So it's it's crazy because you would think so many
people die from this, But we don't do a lot
of autopsy on stage four cancers. Not that I haven't
(39:49):
seen it, because I surely have, but just not a lot.
I have, however, seen a lot of biopsies hip bones
and things like that have metastatic cancer lymph nodes and
like that, even in the brain. So it definitely does happen,
and there's a need for it in the surgical pathology
department for sure. Breast cancer, right now they're saying that
(40:10):
the five year survival rate with stage four cancer is
twenty five to thirty two percent. So that's a horrible
percentage if you have stage four breast cancer, but it's
also pretty I would say it's pretty high considering stage
four is the end. They can't get any worse, so
they have a lot of treatment. I think one of
(40:31):
the benefits to having if there is a benefit to
having breast cancer, is it's the most researched and funded
cancer ever, so they I just think that the treatments
and the way that they're discovering how the genes are
working with everything, and the hormones and the drugs that
they're able to give people are increasing people's lives because
(40:53):
it used to be a death sentence, but now it's
it's people are living with it. So if that's happening
with you, I'm sorry, but I think that that's still
a good percentage that it leaves.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Hope all right too. As a PA, do you ever
have to assist with organ transplant retrieval and or prep
so Oregon transplants retrieval?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Not really, I've so in a PA in the hospital,
I was doing surgical pathology and autopsy. So in surgical pathology,
we're very involved with the process of organ donation because
we have the process the biopsies to make sure the
organs are good enough to transplant into people. So as
far as a PA in surgical pathology, we're very involved
(41:44):
with that. We don't do the especially live procurement, because
that's done on the floor. That's not done in the morgue.
There's been times where they come and do like cornea
retrieval and things like that, but that's not anything that
we do that at least where I've worked that the
people that the PAS that are doing the autopsies would do.
(42:08):
I've had some instances where PA friends of mine have
had side gigs working for organ retrieval services like that,
but that's another company or another process that usually comes
in before the autopsy gets done to take corne as
for example like that. But I have done autopsies where
(42:31):
people have had their donated organs and bones and skin.
So sometimes you'll look at a patient and their whole
entire piece of skin off of their back is missing
because they donate their skin, or there's PVC pipes in
their legs because their bones were donated, but that's not anything.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That we actually do. We just see the after effects
of it.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Last, what is your cat's name? And do I have
any pits? I do not have any pets.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
My cat's name is Thumbkin because she has thumbs of polydactylely.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah. Any animal that has gone through the Ane Jemmy
household has had some type of medical name, starting with
our black cat Rudy. Yeah, Rudy was good, but we
had to get rid of him because of the apartment unfortunately,
short for Rudolph, Ludwig for cow. He was a cute cat. Yeah,
(43:29):
and then you had the lizard. What was the lizard's
name with cirrhosis. Yeah. The cat's names thumpkin, but we
really just call her kitty. Yeah, we call her baby
kitty kitty. But yeah, And I don't have pets and
I never will. So Maria is not an animal person.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I'm not. I'm not really either, like just some animals
and just one, although I try. I just recently adopted
a cat. This was I don't know if I told
you guys this story. I adopted a cat.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Maybe what was that six months ago now or more?
It was a year ago now, probably.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
And she was a special needs cat. She was so cute,
she was missing an eye and a leg, and but
she came from a history of abuse, which was very clear.
Once she started living in our house, and she was
fine with us. We had her separated, you know, we
did the whole I watched the Jackson Galaxy videos and
(44:29):
did the whole separation for a month between them and
slowly introduced them and everything. But and I thought, just
making an assumption beforehand, that my cat was gonna be
the one that was like, you're in my terror yes,
like you're in my territory.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Who the f for you?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I'm gonna like scratch your eyes out. And this cat
terrorized my cat so bad. I couldn't even believe it
because she was so like sweet and innocent and quiet
and just sat in the same spot all day and
then we would we would just like walk out of
the room or something, and she chased my cat and
(45:09):
like attacked her, beat the crap out of her. And
I was, you know, I called everybody at the adoption
place and just tried to figure it out. And it
became a point that my cat was becoming stressed from it.
She stopped eating and she lost some weight and her hair.
It just and I just was like, I'm sorry she
was here first, like I can't do this anymore. And
(45:31):
I felt terrible about that. But I'm hoping that she
because her foster mom really seemed like she was attached
to her. She had her for for like two years
or something. So I hope that she just went back
with her and stayed with her because she seems she
was that the cat was living with the foster mom
and there was dogs in the house and she was
completely fine with that. And I don't know, like cat
(45:55):
psychology and stuff, I just I don't Maybe I just
don't particularly think that our kittie was. She was curious, right,
like she seemed to be trying to make friends.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, I definitely thought Thumpkin was gonna be the aggressor too.
But then the first when you saw the fights starting
to happen, it was pretty bad. Like the other cat,
Peggy her name was, she would hide under the couch
and like full blown attack Thumpkin when she was just
trying to walk by, and it just got.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Bad and it was stressing Peggy out too. She was
get she was like losing chunks of her hair.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
And you don't have that, and that was we.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Were only doing it really because I think we had
them separated for a while, almost a month, and then
we started introducing them and it was like it just
wasn't happening, like, and you.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Don't have the type of house where they could have
just like lived in separate areas. Your house and it's
small and everything's on top of each other.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
And I was scared, like we're home all the time mostly,
but I was scared that if I left the house
that they were going to really hurt each other. And
that's not cool to put them in a stressful life
like that.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So yeah, Well, if you guys have a story, please
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Speaker 1 (47:11):
You guys, thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death.
As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.
I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor, and I
have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without
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the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, My
website and social media accounts are designed to educate and
inform people based on my experience working in pathology, so
they can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.
Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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of those subjects at the time of publication. If you
are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or
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Speaker 2 (48:13):
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