Why is the Dating Scene Trash?

In this episode, Gandhi talks with Fox 5 news anchor, Natasha Verma, about everything from her cancer diagnosis, to her quest to help those suffering from hair loss, to what it’s like for her and Diamond trying to date people in New York City. We also find out a little secret about Andrew’s birthday trickery and bring back the Burn Book.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Well, hello, Andrew. Oh, hi, Gandhi the fake happiness.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Are you happy because today the episode is on your birthday?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yes, are my birthday?

Speaker 1 (00:16):
What are you so excited about for your birthday?

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
By the way, it's off on the side. Hello, and
this is Andrew. I mean Andrew for Diamond for a second,
and it's his birthday.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, so it's a big special day.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
A big special day. Okay, what are you doing for
your birthday?

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Going out for dinner? Are you going Gray Wind? It's
the Dan Cougar restaurant, Yes, for the delicious Indian food.
But that was just for a one off thing right
also not important to the conversation right now. And then
I'm doing this thing on the edge where you put
your back and you like lean back. Michelle, my friend,

(00:49):
she got us tickets for.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
It, so that'll be so fun.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I'm excited, fingers crossed. I'll be here on May first,
and I didn't fall off the edge.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
You will be there.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
You're gonna make it. It's gonna be okay. Having a
birthday party before your birthday party? Uh not really, this
is more of just like a dinner and an event.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Well, the event only happened because someone else bought tickets
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
No, this is great because then I don't have to
go to your birthday party if you're having two.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
No, it's not a birthday party.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
It sounds like a birthday party.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's not a birthday party.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Going to dinner and then I'm going out to have
a little party.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
No, there is no party.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Come to your other party.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
There is no party.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
So you're one of these people like Diamond who insists
on being celebrated for a month.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
No, this was the only available day and it was
on my birthday, and so I said, okay, we'll all
do dinner afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
How the story changes.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
The story didn't change. We're Gallop Gish Gallop. That is
your name.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Look it up. That's your argument strategy, Gish Gallop. That
you're a Gish galluper.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
You throw a bunch of things and you change topics
all the time, so this way no one can keep
up with anything.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
No, you're having okay, we'll say on the one topic,
you're having a birthday party on your birthday, and then
you're having a birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
On the weekend that's May third.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
There's no gift galloping it is or gifting or galloping.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
You're the one said, so you're throwing a birthday party.
Oh so I don't have to go to your birthday party.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Then okay, so that's the same topic.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
You're having your birthday party, your second birthday party. It's
party been celebrated one.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
But there is no birthday party.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Sounds like a birthday party to me. It's geez, leave
us here in for your feedback. Is Andrew having a
birthday party and then another birthday party.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
A birthday with friends?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's a party.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That is not a party.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
How many people are going to be there?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Six?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's a party.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
It's not a party. Six it's not a party.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
That is when you get extra gratuity included on your
bill because it's a party.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Eight, it's six, it's eight, it's six.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
You know what, I'm not doing this gish. You're switching
out and now we're going to argue about, oh, is
it six or is it for extra gratuity?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
No? At six, that's a party.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
It's not a party. It is, it's not.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I think it is. Also, will there be cake? No
guarantee there will be cake because it's a party. So
let me let me catch a cake, Andrew, and it's
a party. I'm not going to your other party.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
It's because you can buy a costume.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yet I already have my costume. It arrived yesterday.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
And what are you plague grat?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I'm not telling you. I thought about it, but they
didn't have any good playgrat costume.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
I also wanted to be a lepper. Not great costumes there, damn.
But there was a lot happening in medieval times, a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
What's your costume? Oh, by the way, his birthday party
is at medieval Times.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
It's going to be a party.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh your second party.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
No, it's going to be my only party.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Sure, Okay, what is your first costume for your second party?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
It has ears?

Speaker 4 (03:32):
It's kind of like Zelda ish humans have ears, Yeah,
but like the little like a gilded fairy.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Okay, well, now I hate the costume.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I actually that was one of the things I was
looking up because apparently fairies were like really big at
the time.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
But like, here's my thought process. Did they just not
like was this a style trend at the time? And
they were like, oh, fairies are so in right now,
Like I would love to know style trends of that time,
Like how how is it communicy? Like, oh, do you
see that painting? He went vironic You've got to go
see it. Like fairies are so in.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I mean, if if you were to go one hundred
years into the future or even one hundred years into
the past with what everybody is wearing now, yeah, it
certainly looks like cosplay of some sort. I walked down
the street and I'm like, the fuck is that?

Speaker 3 (04:15):
But queans were in a thing.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Like ever, jeans still aren't a thing in like most.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Of the world.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I love jeans, yeah, they say. Apparently in Europe that's
the number one way they spot an American is our
trashy asses are wearing jeans.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
They're so cozy though.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
They are pretty fucking great.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Do you have any hopes for your birthday party?

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I hope everyone has a really fun time, and I
hope that we can settle on a place for the
after party.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh, we still haven't done that yet.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
No, I think I'm gonna do it at the Country
Bar in Jersey City, just because I think going from
those two things is truly.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
We're all gonna be in costume.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Where's the country bar in Jersey City?

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Boots and bones?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Oh that's a country bar?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Yeah? What do you think the boots and the bones?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Well, bones could be part of anything as kid boots,
like work boots, construction boots.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
You've been in this bar.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I know time. I'm very surprised that it's a country bar.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Ma'am.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I swear to god they were playing DM.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Country eight M. What is that the Caine Brown song?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
No?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Either way, we can definitely get in.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, depending on everybody's costumes.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
I want everybody to show up in their full medieval
get ups to go to the country bar.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Are you in the phase of this party where people
are starting to disappoint you?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Not really, because I said it's medieval in your heart.
So if you want to come in costume, coming costume,
I'm not going to put so much weight into it
where I have to hear like so stupid.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Josh tapped out of the costume party.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Exactly, I don't care. You do you?

Speaker 4 (05:40):
You don't want to be on theme? That's like go
stand out, babes.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
You do it.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
You're doing the thing, You're sticking it to society by
not chresing up.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
For your second birthday party because you specifically said that's
what she wanted.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Medieval in your heart if you really want to be
that person and not stand out.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Oh so you do stand out?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Actually, could you be the only one in the group
photo with that one next to Josh also not wearing
a costume?

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Designon to have a costume.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah, she's buying one and her friend Nan is coming,
so it should be fun.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, Okay, we'll see how this all goes. I've never
been to Medieval Times.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I've been once as a kid, and I was telling
Josh it was a real good day for me in
seventh grade when we went because someone on the bus
left their game boy like little backpack or whatever full
of games, and I went and I said, excuse me,
somebody left their games and yeah, and the bus driver
was just like, I don't know what you want me
to do with this.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
So you're like cool, So I got games exactly games.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yep, Kirby, I learned her this day.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Okay, so today's episode, because we haven't done the burn
book in a while and I have a burn at
the end of this that you certainly need to be
a part of or maybe you're the burned.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Okay, we have to.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Get to Natasha Urma. She's my guest today. She used
to be a news anchor in Boston, and then she
moved to the lovely New York City. Actually she moved
somewhere else, been for New York City, then she came
to New York City. Now she's on Fox Live. She's
doing great things. We've bonded on a lot. I think
she has some cool stuff to say. So let's get
to Natasha. I am here with Natasha Verma, my buddy,

(07:15):
my friend.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
How are you, Natasha, Hey girl, I'm doing great. How
are you?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I'm doing really well. So Natasha. If you don't know,
she is one of the anchors for Fox five New
York in the evening.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
But I have kind of known her since before we
both even moved to New York. Yes, have friends in common.
She used to be an anchor in Boston.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
We have so many parallels. Yeah, Boston, Florida, New York,
crazy coworkers, crazy hair stories.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yes, she get into all of it.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
All into it.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You have really good mic technique.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
By the way, we have to record like this in
the studio. Actually, when we track our headlines before the.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Shows, how did you get here to New York City?

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Wow, that is a crazy story. I have been working
over ten years to get back to New York. Was
born in New York City and raised in South Texas.
I went to school at University Texas at Austin go Longhorns,
double major in biology, pre med and journalism. And I
decided biology premise of course, like yeah, okay, sorry, continue,

(08:16):
it had to be like that. And I decided that I,
you know, I don't like blood or needles, and maybe
being a doctor's not for me. And I just fell
in love with journalism on campus and UT has a
great journalism school, so I created a morning show, Good
Morning Texas, which still runs on the campus. Fell in
love with journalism, interned at Fox Austin and decided I

(08:39):
wanted to go that track. So that track meant I
went to Columbia University for my master's in journalism. That
got me to New York and I start as a
reporter for News twelve in the Bronx one man band,
driving myself through snowstorms, uh you know, sometimes even going
out to see where shots are fired. Before the police

(09:02):
show up, and by yourself, by myself. And I was
I was nineteen years old, so you know, I was fearless.
I'm like, yeah, sure, I'm gonna let me go swing
by and spray that. I get a job in Florida
for two years with NBC. Then I get a job
in Boston for three years with NBC. Then I get
a job with NBC and Denver, and then finally I

(09:23):
get the call from New York Fox five New York
looking for main evening anchor to be on the five,
six and ten pm news, and I mean, I couldn't
have it. Just is kiss met in so many ways.
It was a dream come true. It's my dream job,
and I'm back in New York. And that was always
the goal was to get back here someway. So that's
the long winded answer to how did I get back

(09:46):
to New York. It was just the dream job. And
you know, I think I think the big thing with
with Fox New York, Fox five New York is that
they wanted someone who showed grit, someone who'd been through hardship,
who because that's what New York really is, a mandship, hardship.
I wake up and living in New York is a hardship.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It is not an easy place to live and exists.
I wish everybody knew that about living in New York.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And I love New York and it was just a
dream come true to come back here.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
What are some of the things that have happened with
you working in the news for as long as you
have at this point where the shit has hit the
fan and you've had to roll with it.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, I mean, I think just the news cycle in general.
I mean we had like a rough last week. I
mean you look at New York City politics this month.
I mean it has been NonStop since January twentieth, right,
and so and even before that, you know, since November fifth,
it's been a grind and I think you just have

(10:45):
to keep up with the news cycle. And I love it.
You know, I'm a journalist at heart, and it's I love.
I'm curious, I'm a learner, and so for me it's
part of the job.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Do you write your own news?

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I do. I mean, so we have a great staff
of writers and producers, and I always look at my
copy before I go on. I write my questions.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't have any rom Burgundy moments.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Of course, I am Natasha Verma maybe who knows san Diego, Yes,
but yeah, I definitely look at all my copy and
you know, I write my own news and I am
very much like hands on and everything that I do
with the shows.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
So this is my question. Sadu has a master's in journalism.
What do you think of the current environment where everybody
on x or we like to call it Twitter because
we did name it just because Elon Muskoff, because I'm
sure he listens to this podcast, whether it's Instagram, it's
any social media platform. It has drastically changed the scope

(11:45):
of journalism in general because you get breaking news faster,
and you get a lot of nonsensical news that's not
even accurate. How do you guys feel about that? And
how do you integrate that into what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
It's becoming increasingly tough, even in the world of AI,
of separating fact from fiction, and you have to go
do your own source seeking. A lot of times, you know,
you go on X or Twitter, whatever you know, and
you look at some posts and You'll wonder, is that real?
I get shared things in my family group and I'm like,
whoa wait, wait, guys, backs that up. Whoa, whoa, whoa,

(12:19):
I see your mom and dad. Yeah, I'm like, guys,
I gotta double check that. Let me see what's going on.
But I think it's going to be increasingly up to
the people to look at where the news is coming from,
and where these news organizations are getting their facts sources,
and what they're seeing on social media. I mean, AI,

(12:42):
the pictures, the videos have gotten so insane, so good.
I mean I think I saw the other day a
cat making a stirfry, a shrimp sturfry, like cooking it,
and I just I was mesmerized for I think it
grasped me for like five minutes where I just sat
there and I'm like, this is not real, but I
wanted to be real. But could it be real? It

(13:03):
was real.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's exactly what would look like exactly.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
The whole thing is just out of control now.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
It really is. Fact checking is important. I have you
seen the show on Netflix. It's a docuseries maybe just
one documentary about the social media's greatest con artist.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
I haven't seen that.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
So this is about a girl who claimed that she
had stage four brain cancer. On her journey, she found
that even though the cancer at stage four, had spread
to her liver, her spleen, all these different organs, and
obviously it originated in her brain. She found that if
she just ate certain foods and cooked a certain way,
she was able to control that cancer and actually move

(13:44):
past it and beat it. From the point that she
started this journey on Instagram, she released a cookbook, so
it went through a legitimate publisher. She got an app
in the app store from Apple that ended up getting
put on everybody's Apple Watch. And it all turned out
to be fake.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
She usually have chemo or any nothing.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
She had no proof of anything, but it got through
so many different levels and layers of people who should
have been checking, who should have been fact checking. The
reason I got busted out was one journalist said I'm
interested in this, started talking to doctors and the doctor said, yeah,
I in my time have never seen brain cancer spread
to a spleen, right, that's actually a very rare place

(14:23):
to even get cancer. And one of her friends who
said something about this seems weird. Now, this is one
friend who just asked a couple questions and immediately the
entire thing unraveled. But this woman was able to make
it past so many different barriers to then go speak
to the world and say, hey, don't worry about what
the doctors are telling you, because I have a diet
plan that's going to save your life. And I'm just astounded.

(14:45):
We see this over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Again how they were able to get so far.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
It's wild to me that there's no real fact checking done.
So it makes me happy if there are some news
anchors out there Natasha her mom Fox Time, Yes, that
hopefully are doing the fact checking.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, I mean that's our job, right, you know, I hope. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I watch some stuff that I'm like, who's doing the one?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, you're right there. There are a lot of things
out there where it's questionable of who's doing fact checking
or what the agenda is. I think also with that
story of that con artist, it's when you grasp someone emotionally,
you know, through cancer, a lot of people may not
even ask questions, and it's just that's the worst kind
of person.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
And potentially put other people in harm's way.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Right because I mean medical intervention, I mean that's important,
you know, in that kind of level. I mean, it's
not like you can pray cancer away. It doesn't work
like that. Exactly nice. It would be.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Cheaper, It certainly would be would be We love modern medicine.
I am astounded at the turn that things have been
taking recently, you know. I I'm saddened by it. I'm

(16:02):
hoping that we don't get set back one hundred and
fifty years. It seems like we're kind of on that path.
But to that point, you are a cancer survivor. How
did you find out that you had cancer? Because you
went through this pretty publicly.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I went through it privately, and then I went through
it publicly because at a point I didn't know what
was going on with me, and that was scary and
I had no clue. I was diagnosed with stage two
hodgkinslim foma when I was twenty three. At the time,
I was working on a morning show, waking up similar
to you, but waking up at two am because we

(16:36):
were live at four am at NBC Boston. And I
remember waking up just on a well, let's just say
maybe Tuesday, and I get up and I have this
shooting pain down the left side of my arm, which
was new, and I'd gone to the gym the night
before for the first time in a while, so I
thought Okay, maybe I'm sore. But I started to feel

(16:57):
where that pain originated at my collarbone, and I felt
this lump that was right over my bone. And I
call my dad later that morning, who's a doctor, and
I tell him what's going on. And you know, both
of both of his parents passed away from cancer, so
when he hears lump, it's a concern. You know, he's like, Okay,
we'll keep monitoring it. You know, go see a doctor.

(17:19):
I go and see one doctor and she gives me
pain meds, like just candy pain meds. Take it, you'll
be fine. I'm taking it, and obviously the pain goes away,
but the lump is still there.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Did she investigate them?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
She investigated it and she was like, oh, it's moving.
That's a good sign. So it must just be a
it must just be as cyst. So yeah, then I
start to get these symptoms of like I couldn't take
a deep breath without pushback, which is a really weird
like you can fill your lungs with air.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Fine, everyone's doing it right now, doing it right now,
you just breath.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'm going to do a deep breath session now, guys. Yeah,
but I felt like some pushback on my chest. Well,
turns out there was a tumor pushing onto my windpipe.
That's the whole that's what was going on there, and
I had no clue. So that point, my intuition is like,
something's wrong. Something's wrong. Go to the doctor again. So
I went to a different doctor, and that doctor walks

(18:16):
into the room and he's like, I never forget what
he Never forget what he said because I always quoted.
It's just it's one of the craziest thing I ever heard.
It was like, sweety, you're gonna get bumps and bruises
all over your body. You don't need to come in
for every single one of them.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I just remember feeling so dismissed, and we were right.
I was dismissed, and uh, I just I looked him
in the eye and I said, let me just level
with you. I think it's cancer. And he's like, well,
you're twenty three, you've never been in the hospital before.
You don't have any other symptoms other than this lump
and like a little bit of pushback. Go to Austin

(18:50):
when you see your dad and get an ultrasound your
paranoid Yeah, lakes, sweetie, you're paranoid, like, calm down. It
happened to be the day of the solar eclipse. So
the beds were empty in this emergency room. And so
he's like, Okay, lucky, I do have like I do
have some availability for you to do an ultrasound. And
I'm like, just just do his no skin off your back,

(19:11):
just do it right. And so we do an ultrasound
and I'll never forget. Like this tech is doing the ultrasound.
She brings in a second tech to take a look
at it, and it's almost like I told you so,
feeling I knew it, I'm feeling validated. And I go
back to the examination room sitting there on the bed.
The doctor's like coming in. He's like, look, we're we're

(19:34):
just double checking some stuff, but we need to do
a CT scan. Prior to this, my dad I had
gotten my dad on the phone and be like, you know,
talk to this doctor to get me an ultrasound. My
Dad's like, sir, I would get a CT scan and
he's like, well, this is America. In America, we don't
just jump to CT scan. My dad's been a doctor
for almost forty years and I'm not an accent, like

(19:55):
he has a slight accent, but not really. It doesn't
First of all, it doesn't matter. But I can't even
hear it anymore. You know.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
It's like I didn't know my parents had accents until
I was like fifteen years old. Yeah, I never heard it.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yeah, it was just beag. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
First it was SWEETI or fine, you're gonna get bumps
and bruises, and it was like, in America, that's not
how we do him. I've been a practicing doctor in
America for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I asked my dad after the fact, like, do you
fault this doctor? And he's like, I don't you know.
You know, in a way, he's observing what he can,
but he should have done an ultrasound when he had
a you know, a more experienced doctor chatting with him.
He shouldn't have had an ego about it. And seat scan,
we do it. It comes back and the demeanor of
this doctor had completely changed. Color drained from his face

(20:39):
and he sits there pale, and he's just like, so,
given your age, we think that it could be Hodgkinson foma.
My dad's on the phone listening to this. My Dad's like,
it's cancer. You can say it's cancer because that's what
it is. I'm thinking like, oh, the kind of cancer
really take a pill goes way like no, no, no,
this is cancer. So I had a tumor on my collarbone,

(21:01):
but I also had a tumor on the other side.
I had a mass in my chest and that's what
was kind of creating that pushback in my chest, and
it was spreading fast, it was growing fast, and it
was stage two and it was three. It started off
with three rounds of chemo, three rounds of radiation, but
with the mass in my chest and given the fact

(21:22):
that I was twenty three, you know, they had reservations
with you know, zapping my chest for breast cancer concerns
down the road. So we decided to do six rounds
of chemo. So up to the chemo, so we couldn't
so we didn't have to do radiation, and then we
would kind of reevaluate and see how the chemo took.
Chemo did really well. I lost all my hair, but

(21:44):
you know, chemo did its job, and it was you know,
it was a journey. It was a very very painful journey.
I mean chemo really really hurt, like my body physically.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
I've heard that from so many people, knock on wood
that I have not experienced it and hopefully will not
have to in my life, but I hear that so
terrible thing, and the amount of people who go through
chemo and beat cancer is incredible and amazing. We love
to hear it. That's why we liked medicine, and we
love our researchers and doctors. Yes, very important, grants are
very important. But through all of this, you lose all

(22:17):
of your hair. Are you still on TV while this
is happening?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
So I had this delusional thought that I was gonna
stay on TV. I'm like, that's fine, I'll do I'll
do the traffic anchoring in the morning and then I'll
go get my chemo. And no, I was. I was wiped.
It turns out I'm allergic to pain meds, so I
had a host of side effects, and before you know it,
I was on like twenty different pills because I was
treating side effects of side effects. So I had to

(22:42):
step away, and because I didn't know what was going
on with me, didn't feel comfortable with sharing it with
the world. With what I was going through, I mean,
some people battle publicly and that's amazing. And then some
people battle privately and that's amazing too. It's just whatever's
comfortable for you. And I had to process that privately
because I was I was scared. I had no idea
what was going on with me. So I went through it,

(23:04):
and then I finally announced when I was coming back,
I had like articles come out that said, you know,
Natasha got fired by NBC, or like where is she?
Gotta love the communications business, no communication.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Like she's really uplifting when you're not feeling well.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
I know. Just rumors were flying around of like where
is she? What happened?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well, like Princess Kate.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Hardly. It was a crazy time and and when I
came out, I decided that I'm going to do something
good with this, So I'm going to announce the formation
of this new program that we do through my foundation,
the Verma Foundation. Where I lost all my hair and
that was really horrific, and there were no resources during

(23:50):
that time. I think my oncologist, who's incredible, you know,
she just said just like, hey, by the way, do
you have a wig? You're going to lose your hair,
And I just remember thinking, oh, no, I don't, I
don't think that it's gonna happen to me, and I
go and look and they're calling themselves cranial prosthesis prosthetic,
and it was just like, it's a wig, babe, And
this is before you go back to being on TV,

(24:13):
before I go back to being on TV.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
So there was no time that you were on TV
without your hair.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I wore a wig. I wore a wig when I
when I decided to go back on TV, finally I
had like a buzz cut, and so I thought, Okay,
well I can't do that. I'm gonna wear I got
a nice lace front, let's Beyonce a wig. I'm like,
what is Beyonce where I want that? Turns out it's
very expensive. Oh yeah, like that. So I got help

(24:40):
from a stylist for that, and I got a nice
lace front wig. It looked so good and I did
that and I wore that, and then finally I had
like I felt good enough to go on air like
without my wig and it was short, like short hair.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I did it.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It was a big deal to take my wig off.
That was a lot of time. I was so much
anxiety leading up to that. I couldn't sleep all night.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I did not feel confident
or beautiful. I'm like, you know what I'm gonna do it.
I'm gonna ditch the wig. I don't need the wig,
and I'm gonna be myself and I go on air
and like it was a powerful moment and my colleagues

(25:17):
supported me. And then I remember the general manager comes
up to me and he was like, hey, you know
that was great and all and like so powerful, but
next time you do a drastic physical appearance change like
let us know, oh my goodness, so that's television. And
I was like, wow, I don't think I'm gonna work
here anymore. This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Is that what made you leave?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
No, I mean just lack of opportunity, And like I
think in every job, it's like you hit a wall
and you hit and I think that also is similar
to what you were experiencing too in Boston, Like you
kind of hit a wall career wise, and it's like, Okay,
I want to get to that next step, but there
was no opportunity available, and it just continues. It's a

(26:02):
theme of betting on yourself and leaving when the time
is right so that you can pursue something that's going to.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Grow grow you even leaving when you don't think the
time is right, but you just feel I gotta get
out of here, got to get out of here. We
say all the time, if you wait for the time
to be right, you might be waiting forever because it
never feels right to make this giant move. But back
to your hair loss and everything that happened with it.
Your story is very different than my story. But I
also thought because I wasn't feeling good one day, went

(26:29):
to the doctor. Doctor was immediately like, get your ass
to the hospital, and this is crazy. I woke up
in the hospital, ended up leaving a couple days later,
and I actually sent the group a text. It was
that raccoon busting out of the dumpster and I was like,
I'm back, guys, I'll be back on Monday. That did
not happen a few weeks later after all of it,

(26:51):
and I actually thought, yeah, call me, I'll talk to
you guys, like this is going to be fine. It
was not fine. And trying to push yourself in those
situations is not gonna help you. Yeah, gona make you
feel batter, it's going to prolong everything. And I was
very fortunate to have a good team here who said
stop trying to get out of that hospital bed and
come in, just relax and feel better, and it was
really important. I too, was not prepared for the hair loss.

(27:13):
I don't know how yours happened, but we've talked about
this so many times. Mine was just brushing through it
on the couch one day and out came a chunk
of hair that I didn't even know you could lose
that one time. I was unaware that that's how hair.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Loss shocking, that's trauma. When you see that much hair
come out.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I was like, I'm dying. Oh my god, I thought
I was sick. And then the craziest part about all
of it is that this hair loss, which is devastating
to your soul and your mental health, there's no physical
pain involved with it. And I just kept thinking, I
can't believe this doesn't physically hurt. This is one of
my favorite things, is just coming out left and right

(27:51):
and it doesn't hurt, but inside it hurts so much.
And then I take a step back to the point
of your doctors like, hey, we just need to get
better right now. We'll handle this other stuff later. So
I handled the physical, and then when it came time
to really addressing well, now your hair fell out, it
almost felt like that was harder.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
It is that other stuff is harder, right.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
What does that say about us?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
A vain assholes?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Absolutely not, okay, I know it's not about vanity, It's
about dignity. And that's really what carried me through this.
I too when I launched the foundation and I started
making these baseball caps with hair attached, giving them for
free to cancer patients for free. And I thought, this
is so vain. If I come out like, people are

(28:37):
gonna think like you're you're worried about losing your hair,
not your life like cancer. But all these women reached
out to me, hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, who
were like, thank you for making something like this. This
will help me go through treatment, and there's nothing out
there like this. And it became apparent to me that
that emotional pain cuts so much deeper than the physical,

(29:01):
because that's that's your will to fight. I mean, there
were days in between my chemo, so I had chemo
every ten days, and there were two days in between.
So was every two weeks, so there were two days
two to four days where I felt like painless, you know,
the chemo had cycled out, and I felt really good.
I felt like myself again. And then I go look

(29:21):
in the mirror and I could not believe what I saw.
My eyebrows were gone, my eyelashes gone, my hair was gone.
I was pale. My skin was like I still have
these scars, like my veins fried and scarred my skin,
and that my tongue was black. Because chemo kills all
fast growing cells, including tongue cells, including stomach cells, including

(29:44):
just everything that's like good. It kills because it's it's
in a fight mode of killing everything. It's like, you know,
you're nuking the inside of your body. And there was
this mind body disconnect when you look in the mirror
and you don't feel good. When you look good, you
feel good. And that's so true. That's what it is.
And so I think that that emotional pain cut so
deep and to your point of it just coming out,
the clumps of hair coming out painlessly, I mean, like clockwork.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
It was.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Twenty four hours after my twenty four it was, yeah,
twenty four hours after my second treatment of chemo. I
just noticed that I was in the shower like shampooing
my hair, and it came out in clumps like I
was able to just pull it out. And then I
start going in a trauma mode, which is like, oh
my god, my god, what's happening to me? And it

(30:39):
was the first physical proof where I'm like cancer's killing me.
Like before that, I was going through the motions of
it numb. And that was the first time where it
was like, my identity is being ripped away from me,
Like what else is it going to take from me?
In my case, had I had hair extensions in so
like all the hair was dying and getting close into

(31:00):
my hair extensions.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
So much worse to get the extension. I tell everybody
that don't do it. It's tempting, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, And then I'm combing my hair and combing it out.
So then I had my mom always jokes. I had
like my ten trusty strands of hair that never fell.
The ten strands, those ten girls, they stood strong. And
and there were my little rat tail, you know, like
in the back of my hair and back of my head,

(31:28):
and I had my baseball cap on, which is kind
of how the idea of the cap wig was born.
As I always wore this Nike cap to go in
a treatment, and I would just put the cap on
and I feel good. I'd feel like kind of like,
you know, in control, and I didn't have to show
my hair. But I mean in that moment, you're like,
oh my god, I don't have a wig.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
What do I do?

Speaker 2 (31:47):
And so thankfully I didn't have a blonde wig I had.
I had my ride, my brown wig, but I didn't
I didn't like that wig too. It was made of
synthetic hair. Hot, yes, synthetic. It was hot, it was
chi It was not made for someone who's got a
sensitive scalp going through chemo, and that was kind of
the basis that looked that, you know, real hair. I

(32:09):
wanted real hair with the cap attached to give to patients.
And on the inside of the cap, we have this
very soft lining, so it's like comforting on the scalp too.
And so this product that we made is so made
out of like I was the I was the guinea
pig for the prototypes of it, and I was going

(32:29):
through chemo and I just remember thinking like I wish
I had that during chemo because it was it was great.
And I did wear the cap wig towards the end too,
because it's great to transition from maybe you don't want
to rock your buzzed cut yet back into the world.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I still wear toppers whenever I feel like it. Yeah,
my hair is finally starting. The curls are back. That
went away for a while and it was just all
it was disasterful. We're getting back to it.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah. Oh so when your hair started to grow back,
was was the texture different?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yes, it was actually much curlier than it was previously.
And I think there are a few reasons for that one,
you know, like there are changes that happen when your
body goes through trauma. Of but too, I cut it.
I cut so much of it off that it wasn't
as heavy, so I think it's able to be a
little more bouncy than it was before.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Is incredible how the body responds.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Bodies are amazing.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Take care are amazing. Take care of them.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Absolutely. KNOWID pay attention to it. If something feels weird
to you and somebody tells you that's not weird, you
know what's weird to you, and you know it's not
weird to you. Yeah, follow through, follow up, get second, third,
fourth opinion.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
You always get answers to your questions.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Thank God that you have. You're very lucky to have
a family that has doctors in it. That said, I'm
not going to accept this answer. You're not going to
accept this answer. We're going to keep going. There are
so many people who will just let it die right
there because you think I'm going to a doctor who's
a professional, and they are, but it's still just one
person's diagnosis and assessment of a big situation. And if
it's a young doctor, a new doctor, or maybe a

(33:54):
doctor that's very old, you just never know. You have
nothing to lose by checking out a second doctor, but
you have a freething to lose by not following your
gut and listening to only one opinion.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, and we say all the time, any doctor who
gets offended by you getting a second opinion not a
great right.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
No, they should not be offended. Bedside manners by doctor
is very important. You want to be you want to
feel seen.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
So if people want to get your caps, yes you
call them capwigs, capwigs. Tell them how to find it.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Go to Verma foundation dot org spell Verma v as
in Victor E. R Ms and Mary a Verma Foundation
dot org. You go there and you can get a
free cap wig. It's completely free. If you are a
cancer patient currently going through chemo and losing your hair
due to chemo, you can get a free cap wig.
We give it two women and to children. Every September

(34:46):
we do a big fashion show in New York City.
Meta was our beautiful celebrity model one year.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I got to walk in. It was so fun.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yes, we're going to do it again this September, so
I hope you will model again. Absolutely amazing and I realize,
like hair loss is, there's no boundaries. It's just it's
a woman is being a woman, you know, across the
world it is. It's a difficult situation across the world. Yeah,
you can go to Vermafoundation dot org and apply for
a capwig.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
It's a great event. That's also how you raise a
lot of money so that you can exactly wigs to
other people for free. And shout out to my dude,
Elvis because I won't say how much he donated.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
He's amazing. Danielle is amazing too. They all came out
and supported and I'm so grateful for you guys. That
all is just so nice.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Thank you for including us. We love doing this kind
of stuff, honestly.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Good.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Okay, well I'll drag you guys back in September.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
They may or may not be totally interested in being
a model, should you want.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
I would love for both of them to model.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
But now we've talked about a lot of really serious
stuff and heavy stuff. Just's light in the mood. I
know that at one point you were in a long
distance relationship, and if I have heard correctly, you are
now single and dating. Yes, how's that working out for you?
In New York City?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I mean, this is actually the first time that I've
ever dated in Manhattan, New York City, and it's uh,
it's brutal out there.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's done. We're tragic to the same.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
That's the word I use. The other day. I look
around and I'm like, this is tragedy.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
It's disgusting. Wait, why is it?

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I would like to dimond if you want to pull
up to him, Mike, because I want to hear from
both of you. Why dating?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
And yes, I want to hear you disgusting.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Because I listen, I haven't done it.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I moved here, right, You're lucky.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I'm sure if that's true. I mean, if the.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Worst is that he wears sneakers on the beach, I
will take that.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That is quite the party foul. I'm not happy with
that one, but that's to be addressed at a different time.
I appreciate you noticing Brandon, that is diabolical. When I
moved here, I was kind of dating somebody from Boston
and we broke up. And almost immediately after that is
when Brandon and I started dating. So I didn't get
to experience this dumpster fire that is dating in New

(36:59):
York City. Diamond, I'm gonna come to you first. Why
is it a dumpster fire? Does it supposed to be
the mecca of successful young people?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
These men are just trash. They're horrible. Yeah, I don't
care what anyone says.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Mothers need to do a better job of raising their
children these days.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I'm tired of raising Oh yeah, woman's son.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
They're horrible.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Something is always on the same page with that. Okay. So, Diamond,
when you say mothers need to do a better job
and things are horrible, I need some make sample, Okay.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
So I think that a lot of guys manipulate and
like they'll make it seem as if they really like you,
and then something out of nowhere will change and then
they decide to like take a step back and make
you seem crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
For still gaslight.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, it's it's very weird.

Speaker 5 (37:43):
Luckily, I don't let myself get into that trap with
guys anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
But so then how do you how do you know?

Speaker 5 (37:49):
How do I know?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
What? Like?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Oh, I don't give anybody the time of day anymore.
I'm just like, I've decided to back up.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
They're focused on yourself. They are, Yeah, they are. I
think like there's something about Manhattan, which is there's so
many options. How can someone commit? You know, it's like
that too. It's just you're battling with you know, you're
battling with so many options. There's so many people here.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
So it's the land of the man child. Maybe, Yes,
you've got these dudes who are just out here experiencing life.
There are so many beautiful, successful, amazing women. They're dabbling
in all of it, and then maybe they turn. However
they turn, they're ready to settle down, and they probably
move somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah. Possibly, I'm convinced when like a man wants to
settle down, it's just like whoever's in front of him. Yep,
that's the one. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
One hundred percent. Oh my god, My friends and I've
been talking about this because I have so many friends
who have been in relationships for long amounts of time
and they break up with this dude because he wasn't
ready to commit. Fast forward a few years, he's dating
someone for ten seconds, and all of a sudden they're
getting married.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
It's like, oh, you just got to be in the
right place at the right time.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Timing for men, it's like timing. It's like for them,
it's just it's just oh that works, that fits a
which is just I don't know, is that full film.
I don't know. It is sad, it's very lazy.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, actually, well that is. That's what they are. No
man bashing. It's true. I listen, I'm one hundred percent
with you, guys, and a lot of these a lot
of these things. But I will ask you, Diamond, I'm
gonna ask you first, and Natasha you can think about it.
If you were going to let's say you want to
build a dream man, there's a guy out there listening
to this podcast, who is the right guy for you?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
What is that guy?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Well, first of all, he'd look like Solomon Thomas.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Okay, so Thomas Jets.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
He'd be ambitious, kind, trustworthy.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'm trying to think of the important things.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
You know, those are very important.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Trustworthy is really big.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, absolutely family orient oriented. But I don't know, because
then I don't want to fight over Christmas and who
we spend time with, you know, things like that really.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Bother the other day, the boundary with family is important.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
He's Andrew is very are my producer, other producer, Andrew,
He's very close with his family, and we were talking
about splitting holidays. You know, how does that work. I'm like,
you just got a date an orphan and then they're
always with your family. It's fine. I have a lot
of good ideas.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
So, like maybe family oriented in theory, and they want
to be family oriented, but you grew up like on
the other side of the country, you know, so you
can't always go back home, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Things like that, So them to be oriented to your family, absolutely, okay.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
But not too much because I don't want you to
be telling secrets.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
To my mom. But you know, things like that, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Are you still on the train of you need a
rich guy.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I would love someone who makes more than me.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Okay, you know, and you're saying at least fifty percent
more because I need Yeah, I'm so yeah, okay, like
you know, I mean she has to have a standard.
These guys I can't, like, if you're not going to
bring anything to the table, at least bring cash, I can't.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
So you would a rich trash bag?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
No, but they're all dumb. So you know, build her
perfect man. Yes, honestly love may not exist, but love no.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
But but honestly, if we're talking about who I want
to get married to, really i'd love to love them, right,
but like if marriage is a business, yeah, so like,
come on, at least know how to manage your money,
you know, yeah, I would never mind let it out.
I would love him to have like a family trust,
you know what I mean saying every time we're talking

(41:26):
about ideal ideal?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Right, I did ask you ideal?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Okay, thanks, give me some equity and a nice company,
come on maybe or something like that, you know what
I'm saying, nice watches.

Speaker 5 (41:38):
But just like trustworthy, someone that's easy to talk to
and that's fun or funny, I don't know which one both. No,
but I kind of like boring people too, so like,
as long as you're funny, we could just be boring together.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
You know, if you're funny, you're not boring.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
No, no, no, you could be funny and boring.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
Yeah, funny in the house.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Okay, you know, Okay, I love that. So, gentlemen, if
you're listening to this podcast and you're all of those things,
if you are Solomon Thomas and you have a Hedge fund, okay,
so we have a lot of things that we're like,
yeah for you, Diamond, Natasha.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I thought about this as Diamond was talking, and those
are a lot of traits that I too share in
my dream man, I just feel like I need someone
who can make life better than what it already is.
And it's already pretty freaking nice. And and I don't
want any stress. I don't want any issues. I don't really.

(42:34):
You got to bring a lot to the table to
you know, to date and I. You have to bring
a lot to the table. And it just has to
be a better, better life than what I'm going through
right now. It should compliment your life. You shouldn't have
to feel like you are being put in their life,
right or that you're having to mold to their life.
It should compliment the life that you already live, and
it should grow it and it should you just get

(42:55):
it has to be better than what I've got going
on right now. I put the bar pretty high. Absolutely,
So for me, it's like, yeah, trustworthy, honest, loyal, kind,
generous Solomon Thomas. You know, it's just someone who's motivated,
who's ambitious, likes dogs. Obviously, Obviously that's a big thing

(43:20):
to see how a guy walks your dog, and like
that's how your dog responds to the guy. Yes, that's important.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
I've told Diamond this because Diamond has a weird relationship
with dogs. She wants a dog. She wants a dog,
she doesn't want to walk the dog, and she hates
everyone else's dog.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Wait, so do you just like the idea of a dog? Okay,
I get that. I feel that. I feel that. I
mean when I a companion.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yes, I think she should get a stuffed animal, to.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Be honest, honestly, yeah, you can get one of those
like really warm stuffed animals that have like a beating
heart something like that.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
She thinks she's gonna put the dog on a trackpad
and it's just going to walk that way because she
says she's not taking her dog out.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Well they do. If you get a small enough dog,
you can do peapads in the apartment, which is vile,
but you people do that.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
No, Diamond, you know you're not going to torture your
family with a pea pad dog. So if somebody wants
to date you, Natasha, are you doing like dating apps?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Are you? I'm not doing dating apps? Please, I'm not
doing dating apps. I downloaded them for all of like
twenty four hours before I'm like, this is not the
this is the wild West. I not belong on here
are you on.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
The top of the top.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I'm still waitlisted on Riya? Okay me wait listen on Riya,
which like now it's like it's like who is she?

Speaker 5 (44:50):
Right?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Whatever? I just now it's become a point of pride
where I'm like, now I don't even want to know.
But then all my friends who are on Riya tell
me that it is not what it's cracked up to be,
what it you to be, and like there's these ghost
accounts and like wannabes and and I have an ex
on there who is a massive wanna bee, like that
Just that tells me I don't even want to be
on that app. If he exists on that app, I

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don't want to be on that app.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
So I've heard and I don't know, but I've heard that. Yes,
there have been a couple of people who have found
love on there.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
However, for the majority, at this point, it just seems
to be a sugar daddy sugar baby website where if
he's kind of like older successful dudes and then just
a bunch of young like Instagram models or whatever is
going on, just that just does not interest me. So,
but are you open to each other wise this never
happens anymore? Are you open to people who approach you

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in public? Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I think that yeah. And my ideal, in my ideal world,
it's going to be like a meet cute situation and
it's like, oh hi.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Like both walking your brother's mountain dogs.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Yes, and like oh wow, this is this is so great.
You two have like two vacuums. That's amazing.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Perfect. So if you like Natasha and you want to
approach her, two vacuums is a solid opening conversation. Start,
We're gonna we're gonna get this together.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, it's great. You're gonna be at my matchmakers.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I can't wait. Yes, if it happens because of this podcast,
I would like to come to the wedding.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh, that would be amazing. I'd also like to be
at the wedding too.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
See a girl can dream. All right, So so much
that we've talked about your foundation name one more time.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yes, Verma Foundation dot org dot org, Verma Foundation dot org,
Verma Foundation on Instagram. I'm on Instagram too. Oh and
I just launched a new podcast that you were on.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yes, you did look to drop your podcast Talking.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
With Natasha and it's on YouTube and it's on Fox Local.
Meta was one of our early guests, and it was
a great conversation. It's just fun because you know, we
are buttoned up on the news. We got three minutes
to talk and then you know, we that's it. Three minutes.
It's it's it's we move fast. They're our shows. And

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so I wanted a format where I can sit down
and really get to know someone. You know, we get
to go deep and I have really interesting conversations with people.
So check us out on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Absolutely. So we've got your foundation, We've got your podcast.
You can catch her on Fox five at five, six.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
And ten, five six and ten pm weeknights.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Baby fancy you're in the streets, gentlemen, mention that you
have two vacuums. Thank you so much for joining, Thank
you for having me.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
This is so fun.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I love to have you come back.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
And that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I think it was fun to talk to her about
her personal life. Who thought she would go there, but
she did.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, and Natasha Burma everybody if you want to holler
at a babe, apparently she's single and look in and
really mad at her ex. So that's interesting. So let's
get to the burn book because we haven't done it
in episodes and episodes. Yeah, I would like to burn
you and our entire little swollen chat fan burns because

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this is week three that I've been part of it.
You've been part of it for how long?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I mean it was a week before you join. Okay,
that reinstated.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Okay, So every week somebody is the leader of the
group and you have to come up with the exercises
and tasks. Some of them are physical and then there's
like mental health stuff and hey, like just do this
so that you are leading a more fulfilled life. So
I'm the leader this week and nobody has done anything,
and I submit it is because there is a brown

(48:27):
woman as the leader that the white males in the
group are not respecting it.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
What say you?

Speaker 4 (48:32):
So it's Monday right when we're recording this, Yes, so
let's let's let that enter the chat.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Oh so we shouldn't talk about your super fucking birthday?
So what you're say the whole beginning of this?

Speaker 3 (48:41):
Okay? I hate that you can edit. Yes, so it's Monday. Yeah,
it's been one.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Day, right, and nobody did anything on one day, So.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
That's going to the today. Not done. We're going to
the gym together today.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
But did this happen to anyone else?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
No?

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Did it?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (48:59):
No it didn't, Yes didn't. Everyone just argues with each
other in ninety nine percent of the time. Also, that
chat moves so fast and all you have to do
is say like one word and it goes off topic.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Mm hmm, A bunch of Gish gallopers.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
If you will lead by the Gish galloper herself.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I do not change the topic. I stay on topic.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
No, I admitted wrote a million.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
First of all, my task yesterday was going to be
so easy. I said, I feel like somebody needs to
dance around in their apartment for forty five minutes work
up a sweat. Who doesn't do that anyway? I do
it all the time, all the time. Nobody apparently wanted
to do that, and I knew they weren't going to
send videos, so I said, okay, how about I sent
an actual workout and then said fifteen minute walk on
top of this outside because it was a beautiful day,
and then fifteen minutes of stretching because these dumb boys

(49:41):
do not stretch and they fucking need to. People can't
touch their toes. It's a sad, sad scene out here.
Nobody did it. I even submitted all mine, and then
I said, all week, I want to know one thing
that made you laugh, one thing that you learned, and
one thing you're grateful for. And I even led as
a leader, led by example, and I sent my information
to everybody. And what did I get?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Crickets?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
I thought it was at the end of the week.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Crickets. Why did you think that when I said all week?
Oh so, whichever day we learned that Andrew doesn't read
through the.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Actual challenges well because forty seven thousand texasages later and
then for some reason always comes.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Back to me because you're the little ringleader and all
of that turning the project and then tap the fuck out.
And Josh, by the way, would never do a group
project with that man. Oh yeah, he just lurks and
then sends pictures of his poop. Very true for those reasons,
I am out, and.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
I I, you know, it's Monday, We're going to work
out today, and I'll send what I'm grateful for and
something that you learned and.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Something that made you laugh. So I even was nice
to you yesterday and I said, one of the things
I'm grateful for was mom and Donna's plate of food.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
So you were grateful to my mom?

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, which was nice.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Because I could have said how she harasses animals by
tapping on glass.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
You already had in a podcast.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Duffing that looked like cat food.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
I bet it was really it is really good.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, So I was saying, I said, you talk talk.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
About my mother.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
I said, I was grateful for Donna. You should be
thank you, Mama. Donna.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Did you got chicken parm in there too?

Speaker 2 (51:16):
No?

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Maybe she give me the extra call it.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Absolutely, it was great, and I was very thankful for that.
And then I realized I'm in a group of rat finks.
And because of that, Andrew's costume for his own party,
he needs to be a playgrat.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I'm it's Monday. We're gonna work out this whole week.
It's gonna be very active.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I'll see how this goes.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Oh, it'll be great.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I submit. I got Kamala Harris.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
Trust me, it's gonna be fine, because you know what's
gonna happen when it's me next week. You know what's
gonna happen. I'm gonna say, hey, do these forty five minutes.
That's when all of a sudden, Nick and Timy are
gonna be It's not hard enough, do something worse.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
I want to get. I'm gonna get to be in pain.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
We listen, your little friend Tommy is a Tommy is
a per problem. Tommy, by the way, one survivor how long.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Ago twenty twenty?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Oh that that was not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Listen, Tommy's still a rat.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
And I gave him the substance.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Let me tell you, what do you mean you gave
him the substance.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
There's these drinks which they should sponsor you called zebiotics.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
They should sponsor you.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I don't know what they are.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
They're these little glass vials and you drink them before
you drink or you know you're going to go out.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I don't know how.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
My friend Casey, who gets terrible hangovers, put me onto these.
His doctor said, listen, it's not medication. So like, I'm
not going to prescribe you this. You still have to
pay and buy these things. But it helps with hangovers
a lot. Oh, they are little miracles in a vial.
So I call them the substance because you have to
respect the balance of your.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Interesting not drunk and drunk zelp Okay, Well, this is
why I will say Tommy is a rat.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
He sends photos of him doing alleged workouts that you
should be laying down doing and he's clearly standing up.
This is a group of weasels. No cure's the only
one following through this shit.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Insane about this, and I'm just gonna put this out
there on blast. What's insane is I could be like,
I did it, where's the photoproof stand up video? Meanwhile
Tommy does it and then immediately heart.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Exit swag dog, not your the best. I'm the one
that called him out on it.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
No, I'm saying, it's Nick and Tommy who support each other,
and then when it comes to anybody else, it's, oh.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Sorry, there's a bit of a bromance happening.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
And then there's Josh.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
He does nothing but every now and then'll just chimes
in with sub.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
You know, respect to that.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
This is trash, this stupid ass swoll fam. Anyway, it's
getting us.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
To work out.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
It is.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I worked out so much last week.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I worked out so much.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Just yesterday I did six fifteen workouts.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I have to admit I have lost zero pounds. Oh,
nothing is happening. I do feel stronger and have more energy.
But something is just not letting me be my best self.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
That's blocking it.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
My bad food.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Yeah, honestly, I was excited to start work again, and
I've never said that in my life. Just so this
way I could go back to drinking my protein shakes
in the morning and going back to like cooking my dinner,
like going.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Back to a routine because you stayed here.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Yeah, but I'm not on a routine. Okay, it's like
I vacation from my routine. You know, even if it's
a staycation, I still don't have to do everything, like
I have a.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Stupid that's so dumb. Yes, I have a toothbrush that
you count each zone that you're in.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
It takes me like two and a half minutes to
brush my teeth every night. That's good, it is great.
But when I'm on vacation, I don't do it. I
just brush my teeth normal And I'm like, say, yes,
are you insane?

Speaker 2 (54:43):
What do you mean you just vacation from like taking
care of your teeth.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
I'm still taking care of them. I just don't do
the full get up of like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Well, I'm glad you're back, Andrew.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Thanks. No, I love a routine.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I'm glad you're here to bring back your routine.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Okay, so people want to follow along on your journey
on Instagram where they find you Andrew Bug. There's no
journey posted, no, but that's just where he is. And
he finally he's still over ten thousand, which is exciting
because now he gets.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
To be what does that make you, like a influencer.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Okay, he's an influencer.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
And influence her swipe up go to lincod Bio my
parents when we were in the city. Sorry, I'm also
making this way too long.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Galloping, No, that's not what a Gish gallop is.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
It's an it's changing topic a lot you're not staying
on top of anyway.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Also, Jackie listens now hijack Jackie. She wants to be
a guest on your podcast.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
I would love to have her.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Oh wow. She's like, I'm gonna text Gandhi and see
if i could be a guest.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So she started laying the foundation already. Yeah, yeah, Jackie,
come on down.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Anyway.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
So my parents we were in the city. We were
passing all these places with huge lines outside of them.
Coincidentally saw Nick outside of one randomly. When do you
ever see someone in New York and see like your bestie? Anyway,
So we passed all these restaurants and they're like, why
do people go to these like basic ass pasta places now?

Speaker 3 (55:56):
And I'm like, it's because of influencers.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
The best pass that you can find is in the
Lower east Side.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
They serve delicious reggae, tony and great now gronies.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
It's the worst book is the best pasta you'll have?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yes? The worst.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
The voices are terrible, the advice is terrible, the expert
level is terrible. It's just everything is trash anymore, and
you can pay people to say whatever you want them
to say. Ye, scar zones, and it's just it's nonsense.
Don't listen to anybody, Listen to yourselves, listen to experts. Yeah,
we'll leave you with that, as we say, go follow
the influencer. Andrew pug Leacy Poli Say Andrew Pug Andrew

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