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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the latest with missing and unfortunately
presumed dead baby Emmanuel Harrow. Then we'll talk about a
toddler who survived a murder suicide, a man who slipped
his girlfriend abortion pills, and the dangers of getting back
Allie Dental Veneers. We also have a couple of stories
(00:43):
related to rare and unusual family circumstances, including one family
with a strong history of having four or more babies
per pregnancy, and a shocking case of a woman who
unknowingly married a very very very close family member. All
that and more on today's episode, let's get started with
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the update on baby Emmanuel.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So, for you guys who are part of our YouTube
live over the weekend, we had talked about baby Emmanuel's
parents being arrested and even more information has come out
since then, which is nuts because that was only a
couple days ago. But quick reminder, it was the mother
who claimed she was changing her son's diaper in a
parking lot of a Big five store when somebody all
of a sudden came up to her said, oh Lah
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knocked her out and then took the baby. But of
course police immediately said there was a lot of inconsistencies
with her story. Let's not forget the father has a
history of child abuse, and now they have no evidence
to suggest this kid was kidnapped. In fact, new information's
coming out that he hasn't been seen in over a
month by other family members. This is exactly going like
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the Casey Anthony case.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know, it's just like to me, it's so
glaringly obvious, and the police thought so since day one,
because they never put out an amberiler and I never
even looked for the kid, and by all accountsless and like,
I need everybody to stop saying that this guy did
former child abuse, because that could be There's lots of
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different things that fall under the category of child abuse,
including neglect, and sometimes it could be something minor versus
all the way up to what this guy did, which
should be called attempted murder because he almost killed his
child to the point where she has permanent disabilities and
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really no quality of life. She's never going to have
friends and play like a little kid and live a
normal life.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
At all.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
She is completely wheelchair bound and has to be taken
care of for the rest of her life because he
beat her so severely. And I'm so this case just
in fury because this guy after he was beating only
a ten week old baby who also had evidence of
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healed fractures, which means he was beaten that kid way
before ten weeks, I mean, the kid's not even two
months old, right, It's it's completely unacceptable that he was
only given one hundred and eighty days in prison, and
he only served one day and the rest was on
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house to rest work release situation. So I really think
that they should make legislation that is okay, judge, if
you want to let this guy out and you think
that he could be rehabilitated, that's fine, give him that chance.
But if this guy hurts someone else, then you also
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get charged when he gets charged, because it's it's kind
of their fault for even lettings someone out within a
day to then go pro create and have more children
and do this again. It's just it's not fair to
the children involved in situations like this.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I just feel like, if you're capable of hurting a
young baby like that, then you're capable of doing so
much worse. And obviously we're seeing it happen all over again.
He has other children involved. I'm sure these situations are
not isolated to just these two kids, right, They have
to be all affected in some type of way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And also, I mean you're right. I mean she got
the black eye from somewhere and it wasn't a person
that punched her in the parking lot. And we know
that because any person that's ever either had a bruise
or studies medicine knows that that bruise was not fresh.
Well it was, it was there for days at least,
and it was traveled halfway down her cheek at that point,
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which is what happens when you have a healing bruise,
that it migrates to the lowest point of gravity after
the injury occurs. Anyone that's ever had a bruise knows that.
Like sometimes if you get a really bad bruise on
your knee or something, within a week, you're gonna see
that blood halfway down your calf. That's something everybody has
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experienced and knows. So she's full shit, But she did
get it somewhere, right, and surprise, surprise, a guy that
beats kids also beats on his wife. It's just like
annoying because none of this had to happen at all,
And no, it's like the whole entire thing. It's not
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even as I feel like with Casey Anthony, I guess
obviously too, like just certain things that people do when
their child goes missing. It's just a red flag for
anyone that's not only just a parent, but just anyone
that's a human to have reactions of. You know, there's
been people knocking on their door asking them if they
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could help find their baby, and the guys like, you're trespassing.
Like I'm sorry. If one of my children were missing,
I'd want every single person in the world to stop
doing their job and anything they're doing and help find
my child. Right While a bunch of their behavior is weird,
of course, the first thing I noticed was they weren't crying,
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or they were seemingly crying, but there was no tears.
In the press conference, they were referring to the baby
in the past tense I heard this morning on another show,
they pointed out that she was saying she got knocked
to the floor, not to the ground, which is an
interesting slip as well, like cause you probably got punched
and knocked out in your house, not in the parking
lot like you're claiming. And then this super ominous footage
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came out over the weekend of the father in his
jail garb looking around a mountainous areas, like assumed to
be looking for the remains of this baby, because why
else are they looking over there? I really wonder what
that's about, too. Well, apparently something new came out today,
which was I guess the day before. So they were
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arrested this past Friday, and the day before the police
had been called to another house, so not the house
that they were currently in, another house, and they said
that it was related to the baby who's missing, and
they so happened to get arrested the next day. So
I'm kind of wondering, like what that house has to
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do with it? What they found there? That house was
actually thirty miles away from the house that they're currently in,
So I don't know what's up with that. I guess
we'll see. I mean, why else would he be in
a field with police looking for a body. They didn't
find a body. They had daver dogs and everything, and
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they didn't find anything, well.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Of course, why are they even bringing him out there?
And then the mom's doubling down that no, he was kidnapped.
So I'm still a firm believer that she's a victim
of abuse as well. And she's I mean, she's probably
scared to death of the guy. No matter what the
situation is. He has a history of abuse. It's not
like these are false accusations towards him. And you have
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to assume somebody willing to hurt a baby years before
that badly is willing to do it again. Yeah, he's
just such a scumbag.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm just a more We have a couple cases that
we're talking about this week that obviously this guy's a
scumbag and you're mad about it, but I'm just also
I'm just so mad at the system for not doing
more about this. It's it just I feel like we
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always talk about this on this show about people who
should not be allowed to have children, Like we talked
about it with that or briefly talked about it with
that one case of that guy who adopted who had
a history of child sexual abuse and then was able
to not adopt but get as Sarah get to have
a baby for him he was kind of able to
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buy pay well, that was like some weird legal loophole.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I mean, I could be totally ignorant to this, but
in my mind, I feel like, if you know, somebody
has a history of abuse like this guy does, especially
to that capacity, or in that other case, you are
a convicted sex offender and you have a baby, that
you should not be allowed to take any other children
home from the hospital and be in your care. That
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system may very well exist. I'm not aware of it,
but I don't understand why these people are going to
jail for crimes, not even just crimes, heinous crimes against children,
and then just being allowed to have more and more kids.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, because it's important to note that he has more children,
but the only children that were in his possession are
ones that he had after so they did take away
his children. But the thing is is that he just
had more well exactly. But a lot of people you've
been talking about, like, you know, I'm not a fan
(09:58):
of saying people can I have children, because then where
do you draw the line, Because let's say, for example,
some people get arrested for child abuse. But I feel
like in some cases there might be rehabilitation possible. Like
let's say, for example, like we were talking about earlier,
like neglect falls under the category of child abuse. And
(10:24):
let's talk about that influencer girl. I forget what her
name was, but she was a family influencer and the
kid drowned in the pool. You know that whole story
we've talked about. So apparently all this information has come
out that the dad was like in the house and
he was taking care of the newborn, and he was
also betting on sports at the same time, and the
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kid wasn't being watched for like nine minutes outside. That
is considered child abuse. It's neglect. You willfully were like
not watching him properly, and he was in a position
that he ended up having an accident and dying from that.
But when I look at that, I'm just kind of like, Okay,
does that guy deserve to get his other kid taken away?
(11:08):
Some people would say yes. I say, you know what,
like if there's a way that he could get some
kind of intense therapy and just figure that out.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
He didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
He didn't intentionally hurt hurt the child like we're talking about.
In this case, it's just that he was being a
shitty dad and really didn't understand he's he was a
sports betting so he might have a gambling addiction and
all this, And I feel like a person like that
can be so like so to speak, rehabilitated and be
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able to have children in his care again, whereas with
this guy, he be a child so severely that there
that they almost died. And on top of that, Emmanuel
has had abuse to I don't know for sure that
it's my opinion just looking at him, he just look
he has a look of a child that has had
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survived shaken baby syndrome and abuse, and that like, to me,
that's just that guy is. He's broken and he can't
ever be fixed, and he should not be able to
have any more children in his I mean, really, I
guess at this point we don't have to worry about
it because hopefully, because hopefully now he'll go to jail
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for the rest of his life. I would even doubt
it still, but exactly, like especially in California, like, who
the hell knows what's going to happen. But well, on the.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Example you just brought up, though, like you could look
at the differences between the charges of neglect and abuse,
and of course sometimes those things are intertwined. But in
that case, it's like, we can all agree what the
father of the influencer's son was doing was wrong, and
you could argue that, you know, with technology and our
generation now being totally addicted to being on the phone,
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possibly having a gambling addiction. I mean, I don't know
what was going on in his personal life, but it
doesn't mean he's like the best at ever. Clearly he
was neglectful and that resulted in the death of a child,
and that's wrong. But I do think there's a difference
between somebody intentionally beating a child within inches of their life, right, Yeah,
So like, yeah, I think there are cases of neglect
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where parents shouldn't be parents again, but I guess it's
a case by case basis. It's the same thing you're saying.
It's like, where do you draw the line what's considered
a horrible enough offense that somebody's not allowed to have
kids anymore. Personally, I feel like if you're beating a child,
like you should be set on fire, But like, I
don't know, Like I just don't think jail's enough. There
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are people that you know, get in bar fights, and
then there's people that beat kids and women. You know,
there's just a difference.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
As we know with Brian Coberger, which we'll talk about
on another episode this week. The system kind of in
a positive the system takes care of itself because even
though they're in jail with other criminals who have done
heinous crimes, some of them have a heart and a
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soul and people might have no problem shooting a rival
gang member that's an adult or something like that. But
even for those types of people, children are off limits.
Well that's what That's exactly what I'm saying, Like, he'll
get his, trust me, he will get his one day.
There's plenty of people involved in assaults that would never
ever ever put their hands on the child, and that's
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where it has that's where it gets like murky waters,
you know. But yeah, I just think last time, this
guy maybe wasn't in jail long enough, as we've talked
about before, where the system took care of itself. But
now hopefully he'll be in the rest of his life. Personally,
I mean, if this kid's dead, obviously he should be
eligible for the death penalty. But in a case where
you're beating a couple week old baby to the point
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that they're messed up the rest of their life. You
should also be eligible for the death.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Penalty for that. Yeah, I agree, there's just no rehibit
lillitation for the phys pause. Yeah seriously. Okay, So in
this next case, a mother shot her husband and two
of her children, who were six and eight years old,
before turning the gun on herself. But to me, in
the strangest part of the story, it was that she
left her toddler untouched.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So this is what I'm thinking in this case, there's
a lot more to this story. I guess this mom
is a pseudo influencer, at least. When her husband got
diagnosed with brain cancer, she started a TikTok account and
describes herself as a brain cancer wife, and she really
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goes through her journey in a few videos, talking about
how hard it's been on her, how hard it's been
on her children, especially because he's having increased seizure activity
because of the brain tumor, and how she's dealing with
depression and trying to get herself out of it, and
saying that she wants to just be under the blanket
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all day and hide and obviously a mother of three
children that are young in their forties, little kids. I
can imagine how hard that is to sit there and
watch your husband die in front of you and have
to stay strong in front of little kids that you
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know they're not going to have their dad soon. I mean, like,
I want to cry just saying that out loud. It's terrible.
It's just terrible. And I don't know, obviously, I've never
been in that situation, and I don't know, like when
you go to the neurology department and they diagnose you
with something like that and you're there and you're young
and you have a family, Like, do they just send
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you home and that's it? Or is there like resources
for that, because a lot of people, you could understand,
would go downhill quickly with that, And I'm not even
sure if all the therapy in the world can really
help that. So this mom ended up getting a gun
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and killing her husband and her two older children, and
then didn't kill the little one, and then decided to
kill herself. And the only reason that I think that
she spared the little one is because the little one
doesn't really know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, Well, like I totally understand what you're saying. But
at the same time, plenty of patients, plenty of people
have parents that are terminally ill and die when they're young,
and their mother doesn't kill their whole family. So like,
clearly something else was going on here too, because obviously
that news is really hard to like take in and
everything in process, But like, you can't just kill your
whole family because your husband's gonna die. No, I mean, no,
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I'm not justifying it.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I'm just saying that if we I'm sure there's someone
listening to our show right now that's been in a
similar situation, and that person right now is thinking, yes,
like I understand this to a certain extent. I didn't
do it myself, but I understand the state of mind
that she was in when she did this.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I just I'm wondering just what else was going on.
I mean, they were saying that in the investigation they've
become aware of various concerns and issues going on at
the household at the same time too, So clearly there
was another contributing factor to this. I can see what
you're trying to say, But at the same time, it's
like the kids are still young enough where they're gonna recover.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I'm not justifying it. I mean, obviously they deserve
to have their life. And there's thousands and millions of
people over the course of history that have lost their
parents at a young age and it's not ideal. I mean,
the same could be said for a dad that walks
out and the kid doesn't have the dad around their
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whole life either. I mean, like, it sucks not to
have your parents around that there's no way to make
that better. And obviously so many people grow up to
be to do great things and be great individuals even
though they didn't have that person around. It just shows
weakness and not resiliency and stuff. I mean, it's it sucks.
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But you hear on the news all the time of
people getting killed that had family and they were young.
I mean, this is this is just this is an
unfortunate part of.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Life, and.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It sucks because that the toddler won't remember any of
it and just will grow up thinking that the aunt
that the kids with now is the mom. But imagine
being that being your your sibling that now has to
deal with the fact that your sibling killed herself and
her husband and two of your your nieces and nephews,
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Like it's it's just that's not cool to put on someone.
It's just not the.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Can't The toddler may be raised by another person that
he's younger, or he or she's young enough to think
as their mother, but they're still always going to know
what happened. It's not like you could shield that from
a kid their entire life.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, don't know, but they like they're not gonna. One
of my friends died when the when the baby was born,
and he doesn't. I mean, it's so heartbreaking to us,
and I'm sure that for him it's just like he
thinks about that, but like he never knew her.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's just like not, it's just different. I'm saying he
never knew her. But when he gets older, I mean,
he's gonna know he had a mother that delivered him
and died. So this kid is eventually gonna know. Like
they obviously probably aren't gonna give them details about exactly
what went down, but when he's old enough, he's gonna
be able to figure it out. Well. And then you're
haunted by the internet life.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, exactly like they will. They will know about it
for sure, But I mean, I don't think it's necessarily
something that has to loom over him. It just depends
on I mean, I'm honestly not sure if a family
like you could go back and forth, like, is a
family member that just experienced this horrific trauma the best
person to try to like raise this kid to be normal.
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I mean, imagine, just imagine the craziness that's going on
in that house right now. It's just it's just sad
all around. But I am curious about what resources are
offered to people when they're given these horrible, horrible diagnosis
like this and just not knowing what's happening and having
a you know, sometimes the husband, especially in this case,
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like maybe the husband was making more money than she
was and she was stressed not only just about the death,
but also about finances. There's just like so many different
things that could send a person down. And if she
has a toddler too, she might be just experiencing just
like an extended form of postpartum depression that just came
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from recently having three little kids back to back, And
there's a lot of stuff that could be going on there.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So I mean, arguably she made this kid's life worse
by killing off his entire family than if just her
husband had died, and they like dealt with it together
as a family.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, absolutely, and I mean a strong support system and
everything like that. It's just all of it is just
it's really just terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean, trust me, you know, we've talked plenty over
the course of this show how it goes with doctors,
Like do you think they're seriously like, why don't you
have your whole family come in and we'll talk about
it and try to work through it. No, they probably
just were like, you have terminal cancer.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
By you know, what I always say is really interesting
because we you know, we were at children's hospital a
lot for Lucia's health problems, and at the children's hospital
they're so so on top of these really long doctor's
appointments that they sit there and explain everything to you
and they offer like resources for everything, just like, oh,
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this kid's got a lot of medical problems. Maybe they
need to talk to a therapist, and just like all
this different stuff. And then also just so the family understands.
Then it's like you become an adult and medicine completely changes,
and it's like adults still don't understand what's going on.
They still need a lot of times people have chronic
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medical conditions, it's very stressful financially, emotionally, physically just being
in pain all the time, Like they just don't offer
the same It's just it's just something I always thought
was like kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, yeah, I mean, there's just there needs to be
some form of an overhaul of this healthcare system in general,
because it's just operating like a factory, like you get
ten minutes and if your appointment goes over that, you
get billed even more. Yeah. Okay, So police shout up
to this home after getting reports of a pregnant woman
with a medical emergency, and when they showed up, there's
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blood all over. The woman's crying, and she goes on
to tell them that she was seven weeks pregnant and
her boyfriend didn't want her to have the baby. So reportedly,
the whole time he had been slipping her abortion pills
to force her to have a miscarriage.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So he had bought her what he called an abortion
pill that he got from someone on campus. He said
that he paid fifty dollars for so they don't really
know where he got this but does it even really
matter at this point, he got a drug cognf of pristone,
which is one of another drug that is used to
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do a medical abortion, and this particular one helps by
reducing hormones and making the environment for a fetus not good,
so in theory, you would abort the baby. The thing
is is that sometimes if you just take that particular
drug and you don't take the other drug that helps
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contrack the uterus and expel it, sometimes it doesn't always work.
But then obviously, like in a case like this, it
did work by just taking the one pill. She ended
up having a miscarriage and called nine one one and
they found her in the bathroom with blood all over her,
and the guy just admitted to authorities right there what
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he did. So this is just an It's an interesting
debate for me because apparently this guy has been charged
with two counts of intentional homicide of an unborn child,
which carries the same potential punishment as a conviction for
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first degree murder, which is twenty to sixty years in prison.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I just have a lot of questions with this case because,
of course, first I'm like, where are people just getting
abortion pills? Because you just said that this guy got
it from some girl on a campus. Of course they
don't know what this campus is. But where is that
girl even getting them from. Is she going to a
clinic and getting prescribed them or is she getting them
over the counter? How are they just so accessible to people.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't think that you can get them over the
counter as of right now, but they do have them
in drug stores if you have a prescription. So let's say,
for example, maybe the girl thought that she was pregnant
and then she ended up getting her period and didn't
need it. That's a possibility that she just had it
like sitting around because of that. But there's lots of
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you know, how you can go online and get like
erectile dysfunction drugs and ozempic just by having a short
video call with someone and they could prescribe it to you,
like they have it at CBS and stuff. If you
have a prescription, you could pick it up. So there's
that possibility, and then there's just the possibility that she
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perhaps works at a clinic that has them and just
has access to them. I mean, it's the same thing
like how do you sell percocets on the street. It's
done illegally, but people get them all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, and then I guess other questions I had were
in the past when we've reported stories like this, the
women said like the guy were either putting it in
their food or giving it to them, saying it was
like a prenatal vitamin or something. I just I don't
believe this article disclosed how he was giving them to her, right,
but he was very open that he didn't want the baby.
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I just have a lot of questions about the laws
surrounding this because obviously, like if she so, she's seven weeks,
so if she decided to go get an abortion, then
that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But then if.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
He doesn't want the baby, then he could go to
jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, but it was the way in which he went
to like he was poisoning her.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I know, but but like he's getting charged with the baby,
harming the baby, the fetus, right, And then on top
of that, about the case that we just talked about
with emmanuel' harrow and j Carro, the dad, I just
I don't understand. So if you have a live fetus
that's born to be a baby, and then you almost
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kill it, you don't get any jail time barely and
any trouble. But like if there's a fetus that's seven weeks,
that's not even anything yet you can go to jail
for twenty to sixty years. And like, I just don't
understand how the laws are written. It's just very weird
to me.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
They're not federal laws. They're different by state. This law
we're talking about with this case pertains the Illinois law
in particular, and the herow case is in California, which
I think it's an important cover. And see what you're
saying too about like if a woman gets an abortion, Like,
I think it's an interesting, you know, conversation to have
because obviously, if you should have sex, you should know
(28:38):
the result could be having a child. So both parties
need to take responsibility in that case. But I guess
maybe the woman has more power over it because she's
physically carrying the baby. Right, Oh yeah, in this case,
he's poisoning not I guess yeah, And I mean he
it just it just seems like, I mean, it is
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just like a weird.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's just a weird conversation to have because yes, he's
poison in her, but he should get more obviously, because
if if she wanted to keep the child like he did,
he did just keep he just killed her fetus. It's
it's going to was going to be her baby, right yeah.
So like it's just it's just a very it's just
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a very weird thing, just from a guy's perspective though.
It's the laws are different be for for women and men.
They don't have but I guess like there's really just
never going to be a way around that because a
guy will never carry a fetus.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
So well. Also, like an abortion is like a is
a clinical choice, and it's something that I guess not
in all states now, but in that state, is something
that's considered a legal thing to do, whereas he's slipping
somebody pills to murder an unborn child, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, But I mean if she got the pills and
took them, it would be the same outcome.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But it would if she if she illegally got the pills,
it would she'd probably get the same charge, whereas if
she went to the doctor and was prescribed them. It's
a legal loophole, right, Yeah, It's just it's just an
interesting conversation to have. Well, yeah, of course it is.
But I mean it's you can't just mess up people medicine,
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you know what I mean, Yeah, and you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
It's just it's just hard to say because you're like,
that's not fair that he's making that choice for her.
But then at the same time, it's like, well, like
that happens in the reverse all the time.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You know, Like, well, I guess it's just allowed because
the woman's physically carrying the baby. Yeah, but but but
like if you have I'm just saying, like if the
situation was vice versa and he said I really want
to keep the baby, and she says no and takes
that pill, then like nobody's in trouble. Yeah, it's just
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an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean, I I don't like, honestly, I don't
really care because I'm not a guy and I don't
have to ever deal with that, I guess. I mean,
it's like, but it's just it's just worth noting. I
guess that it's it's not really ever gonna be my problem,
but it's just interesting that it's different.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, I am interested about people's opinions on this because
I think you could argue, like either way you know
what I mean. So it's just one of those things,
like I guess it just depends on your personal beliefs
and everything.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, and in general, I would say that it's never okay.
It's never okay to give someone something that they're not
aware of. Even I'll go as far as say, is
like if someone's vegetarian and you like slip me in
their food, it's just not cool, like to do something
simple like that, especially to drug someone ever.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But like, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Just it's just the debate of who who makes the decision,
who gets to I mean, because DNA wise of a fetus,
it's it is.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Half his and it's half hers. But it's all before
people get in a tizzy, we're not saying it was
okay he gave her the pills, like perfectly clear, that
was not okay.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'm more I'm honestly more concerned with I mean, like,
let's say I don't even know how to say this.
Let's say she wasn't pregnant and he just gave her
drugs to Let's say he gave her whatever to get
her high or to get her you know, gave her benadryl.
So she would fall asleep so he could have sex
with her. Like, what would the charges be poisoning? Yeah,
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but it would it be would it be twenty to
sixty years in prison? Like I'm just I'm just more
annoyed of of the charges being so heavy for this
guy when we just talked about a child that was
almost be to death that.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Got a slap on the wrist. Yeah, But like I
just said, they're in different states, so you can't look
at them because they're under different jurisdictions and they're handled differently.
It maybe, but seriously, it might be similar because in California,
and I don't know if the rules have changed within
twenty years or whatever it's been since Lacy Peterson and stuff.
But like he actually, Scott Peterson actually got charged with
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the homicide of Connor Peterson too, even though he wasn't
born yet. Because and that doesn't happen in every state
that people can get in trouble for harming a fetus
while while in utero, So it may be a lull
in California too, is what I'm saying. But people are
gonna argue that in the case of the Harrows, that
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that baby did not die even though she has no
quality of life anymore, but she did not die, so like,
that's probably where the line is, right, So six twenty
to sixty years in prison if the person dies, and
one day in prison if they almost die. Yeah, well,
I'm agreeing it's ridiculous, but that's where they're going to
argue the life is drawn. Yeah, which is ridiculous. Okay.
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A woman has been arrested after performing unlicensed dental work
on patients and most horrifically installing fake veneers with super glue.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
So they were saying in the article like that, the
American Dental Association doesn't. It puts out a statement that
says to not go to people who are veneer technicians.
So I was looking into it to see if that's
the thing, because I was always under the assumption that
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a dentist was the only person allowed to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
A licensed dentist. Me too, I would never even think
to get dental work of any capacity done anywhere other
than a dental office. This girl was doing it at
a beauty bar.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I am still I do still have questions though, for
those of you that work in this field, because it
looks like the American Dental Association is writing it in
such a way that says that the the dental veneer
dental texts are not it's just says it's they're not
typically licensed and really only dental work can be done
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by a licensed person. But also I would think that
dental hygienists are licensed as well, and I don't know
if they're legally allowed to apply them. There's also I
know that there's lab technicians that make the actual veneers.
They they you know, they match the color and they
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shape and they do the mold and all that stuff.
And I don't know if it's a person like that. Obviously,
I don't believe that they're trained to apply them.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
They just make them.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like I mean, they're like sculptures kind of, you know.
So it is it's interesting, But at the same time
you look at it and you say, well, people, it's
kind of similar to just putting like fake nails on
a person in a way.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And obviously this but you're not what's super glue in
your mouth?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
No you're not. But I'm saying like this this woman
was saying, oh, like I'm just gonna do it, because
it's the same exact thing as putting fake nails on
a person, and obviously this is why people were having
all these problems. It's just it's just kind of interesting
the difference. I mean, teeth are a whole different ballgame
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than fingernails. They're the first part of your gi track
and they they're not your fingernails. They I mean, just
think about the amount of pain. Although one could argue
that your fingernails hurt pretty bad too if you have
trauma to them, but your teeth or a.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Whole other level.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
But there's definitely things that could be wrong with your mouth,
such as having tooth decay or having some kind of
gum disease that would make you not a candidate for veneers.
And if you have a person that's not a dentist
that doesn't recognize those pathologies and then tries to give
you these vine years with these chemicals that aren't approved
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for the mouth, you could make these these underlying pathologies worse.
And just even if you have perfectly healthy teeth and
try to do this, you could really give a person
lifelong problems. That's going to number one, cause them to
be in pain and also can cause them to have
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to put out thousands and thousands of dollars for dental work.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Did like, don't when you get your veneers, you have
to get your teeth drilled down for them to work.
Like in the way I'm understanding this in my mind,
I guess the way I'm visualizing this is she's buying
like flippers off of Amazon and then just super gluing
them on people's teeth. They're not getting the individual ones done.
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Because this article was saying that real veneers could cost
more than one thousand dollars per tooth, but this girl
was offering three thousand dollars for an entire set and
promising a lifespan of five to seven years.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Well, so I'm saying, I guess when it costs that
much of tooth, though, that's obviously an up charge from
the dentist as well. So the dentist when they get
it from the lab, they're not paying anywhere near that
much per tooth. They just upcharge to put it on
because they can. Right, So this woman, I don't know,
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like you know a lot of people go to Mexico
and stuff and get vinyars, like she might have connections
to someone there that makes them really cheap in the lab. Also,
you're right, like it could It could totally be like
she's buying some kit online and for a fake flipper.
Tell tell them what a flipper is because some people
might not know what that is.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, if you've ever watched Toddlers and Tierras, that's what
I learned what a flipper is. It's literally like fake
teeth that you just snap over your teeth and it
looks really fake in person. But I don't know if
that's what she was getting these veneers. So let me
tell you guys the story, because I had I had
a real vineer story. So when I was in when
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I was at Drexel and I was getting ready to
graduate as a PA, I was like, Oh, I'm going
to buy myself a graduation present because I'm getting this
job or we're going to get paid all this money,
and I'm going to get veneers on my teeth. And
so I was at my local dentist that i'd been
going to for a couple of years, and I said
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to them it was in my last year of school,
and I was like, Oh, when I graduate, I'm going
to get veneers. So do you guys have a recommendation
of a cosmetic dentist? And then my dentist was like, oh,
we do them here, and I was like, oh you do, okay, cool,
because I really liked that office and stuff. I just
didn't even think anything of it. And so they said, oh,
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we can probably get some of it covered by insurance
and this, that and the other, and it would cost you.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't even know what it was. I feel like
it was pretty cheap, like five thousand dollars, which is
cheap for veneers, way too cheap. Yeah, So but they
were like putting it under insurance partially so that like
I had to pay five thousand, I'll pocket.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't know what they ended up getting.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
So they they said, oh, we could do like this
payment plan is so you could get them done like
next week and if you want. So of course I
was like okay, yay, and I got so they they
I went in and they sold my teeth down, my
natural teeth like way too small. So now they're permanently
like small teeth, and gives me vinears and him and
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the lady literally like pull out a box and they're
like reading the instructions while they're doing them on me,
and and I'm just kind of like, okay, maybe they're
just trying to be thorough.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
So I get them done and they were a little
huge and like chick lity looking. But when you have
the little nubs for a couple of weeks before the
permanent teeth come in, they just everything looks huge because
you're you're now looking at your teeth that are so small.
So I get them done and then I go home
that day and I was eating a sandwich out of
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just like soft bread, like a soft bread turkey sandwich,
and my front tooth popped off right that night, and
I was like, oh my god, and what the hell
call them up? And now, because now I'm in school
and working, don't have really that much time. It was
when I first started dating Gabe too, so I was like,
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wanted to look really like nice. I couldn't be like,
oh I don't have a tooth tonight, we can't hang
out whatever. So I went and they glued it on
an emergency and they were like, oh, it's probably because
we just did them and they didn't they weren't cured
yet or whatever, and just be careful, don't bite into anything.
And I'm like, I can't even bite into a piece
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of bread. I thought like they told me not to
bite into like an apple or corn on the cob,
not a piece of bread.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, So I was like, oh cool, so I could
just like never eat sandwiches again the rest of my
life whatever. And then so then over the course of
two weeks, I was there nine times because they were
popping off every single day. Right, it was so bad.
And thank god. I was rotating at Penn and one
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of the cytotechs that I was there with in the
room said to me, oh, I had my venears done
by I'll say doctor Don in Cherry Hill because he's
awesome and he like saved my teeth, thank God. So
she's like, go talk to him. He's so good and
see if he could help you. Because I She's like,
I've had mine for twenty five years and I've never
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lost one.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And I was like what, So, so I went at
US nine this week.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, so I went at a consult with him, and
so number one starts off. He's just like, these don't
fit and they're giving you gum disease. And I got
something called a piogenic granuloma, which was a nodule that
grew in my gums because of the trauma from the
procedure they did the first.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Time on me.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
So he says to me, like, I have to they
were not applied correctly, and he could tell because one
of my teeth were popped off, of course, when I
went there to show him, and he's like, they didn't
do prep your teeth correctly, and they took off too
much enamel off of your teeth and that's why they're
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not sticking and that's why they hurt so bad. And
he was like, listen, you, I have to take all
of these off, and you have to go to a
gum surgeon and get this thing removed, and you can't
have them until the gum surgeon tells me that. It's
like a periodontist tells me that it's okay that you
get them put back on. So now I had to
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have little nub teeth, couldn't even put the temporaries on.
Had to have little nub teeth for months, right mind,
you just dating Gabe, So I avoided him for a while,
which was fine because he was totally like a side
note first starting to date him. Anyway, it all worked out,
but so he finally gave me my new teeth, and
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I've had them since I was like, U, what, seventeen
years now, I've had them and I only had one
pop off last year after fifteen or sixteen years of
having them. And actually that was one hundred percent my
fault because I was eating like I think it was
a jolly rancher or something that was like stuck on
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it and I pulled, like I vigorously tried to pull
it off. It was one hundred percent my fault, and
I got it put back on and it's not been
a problem since, like this guy fixed and saved my teeth.
And so I actually wrote a letter to the other
dentist and told them that I was gonna have to
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get a lawyer because now I had to pay. And
this was what fifteen seventy whatever years ago, I had
to pay thirteen thousand dollars to get them fixed. I
had to do it because, like I had, my teeth
hurts so bad.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
But that they clearly didn't know what they were doing,
so they shouldn't have offered the service.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, and here, like I wrote this guy this letter
and was just like, please don't make me like I've
been your patient forever and all this stuff, and he
sent me a check in the mail for thirteen thousand
dollars to give the doctor Don.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
It was crazy. Well she knew he made it right.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, so it all worked out well, thank god. But
the whole point of my story is to tell you,
like I kind of went through hell for a solid
year because I had who was an actual license dentist
who took a class on the weekend to learn how
to do veneers. So I'm just telling you guys this,
like do your research and if it's cheap, then I
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would just not even try to think about it because
of like you see with me, mine was cheap and
then what happened to end up costing so much more
money because it had to be fixed. And like doctor
Don had to do like block out a whole day
to do my teeth because he had to do some
special prep because they were all screwed up and all
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this stuff. And you know he deserves to get paid
for what he's doing too, So like this is this
is how it works.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
There's just certain things you don't skimp out on, and
I think anything done to your face is just not
worth going the cheaper route. There's just a lot, not
even certain things, there's a lot of things you should
not get a cheaper price on. I mean, this isn't
like getting a sweater like at an expensive store versus
getting it on Amazon. This is literally something on your
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face and going in your mouth, which is really important.
And she only got reported after a couple of people
got infections, So that's not good.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
You know how Franny Fine always says that that is
one thing you always pay retail for, Yeah, like plastic
surgery anything like that. Like, yeah, so so I don't know.
I guess she's gonna she's gonna get in trouble. She
she Well, that's another thing too. She was promising that
it was gonna cause it was they would last for
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five to seven years, which.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
You're saying is not the normal timeframe at all, Like
they should be lasting a really long time.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Theyde me think it was flip first, like I probably
will need to get mine replaced in like at another
point in my life.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
They're not going to last. I mean maybe they will.
I don't know, but I even said that to doctor Donnod,
was like, shouldn't I be getting them replaced around fifteen
twenty years? And he's just kind of like, listen if
they're staying on and they still look good, Like just
that's it.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So like that five to seven time frame seems really specific.
Do you think on the super glue she was using
that said that was the durability timeline on the glue.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's actually I'm actually just really curious about the it
in general, that how they would stay on, Like how
long would it really stay on if you just use
super glue. I mean you could really dry, you have
to dry the tooth completely. But I just I'm curious
as to what she was doing. If they were even
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lasting a week on people, I highly doubt it. Yeah,
I mean it's just outrageous.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well, she was charged with fraud and practicing dentistry without oleasans,
among other offenses, so we'll see if she she'll probably
get more jail time than the guy that beat out baby.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
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Speaker 1 (48:32):
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Speaker 2 (48:51):
That was That was horrible.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
That was horrible. So yeah, so you could listen to
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And this week our high profile death dissection was on
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sign up. Okay, So a woman had a son, ended
up giving him up for adoption due to financial hardship.
Years later, she ends up meeting this guy, they get married,
they have two kids. This part kind of confused me
because they had to take this DNA test. What they're
saying was part of a legal consultation about their children's future.
(49:39):
But the results of that test said that this woman's
husband was the son that she gave up for adoption
decades before.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
So this case is basically saying that this woman is
the grandmother to her own children.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, so she married her biological son, had two children
with him, do you think they have any issues because
we've written about inbreeding in the past, maybe that's why
they were giving them a DNA test. I don't know. Yeah,
that part just kind of confused me. And now it
says they're separated, but I'm under the assumption that they're
separated because of what the DNA test suggested, because how
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could you possibly state married to somebody that you now
know as your son and now other people know too.
I mean they put this information on online though, so
I guess not everybody needed to know what was going on.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
This case is actually a couple years old, but it's
been circulating online in a couple places, so I thought
it would be good to talk about this week. We
did do a high profile dissection on inbreeding a couple
years ago in the Gross Room, and it really goes
through all of the reasons why, especially with Royalty, that
they wanted to have this pure bloodline, and just how
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terrible it is to be having children with people so
close to your DNA. So the closest that you can
have is with one of your your parents or your children,
because you share fifty percent of DNA with that person,
and the more closer your DNA is the more likely
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of a chance of having a genetic disorder that gets
passed on through families. So the best case scenario is
to marry someone that doesn't have any of your genetic
material at all for the highest chance of not inheriting
a generic genetic disorder. I don't know like it. Obviously,
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the question comes up that it's just grosses you out
because most of us sitting here are just thinking about
having family and cousins and just thinking like, oh god,
that's just weird. I just went and cross that line.
But in this case where I mean, we could talk
all about a thirty six year old marrying a twenty
one year old. I don't even understand what that's about.
(52:01):
But regardless, she didn't know it was her.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Kid, So.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Finding out afterwards after you have two kids with someone
is just I mean, it's bizarre. It's nothing anyone else
is ever going to deal with in the history of life, probably,
but like you're gonna get divorced over that. It just
seems it seems like it's kind of it's done and
over with, the worst part's done and over with.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
How are you gonna I'm sure there were.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Other issues, probably had to do with the fact that
she was thirty six.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
And he was twenty one. But in some states you
have to get a blood test before you get married,
and that maybe they need to start putting that practice
back in every state, because it's only in certain ones.
It's really discussing it's.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Not the thing is is that actually in New Jersey,
which is weird because my state is pretty strict with
certain things. But in New Jersey, if a mom and
is someone to get married over eighteen years old, go
for it. Some states it's completely illegal and you could
get arrested for it, but not in New Jersey, go
for it as long as you're over eighteen.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Maybe that's what's wrong with Prince Andrew because his parents
were cousins.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, that's why he ended up sing well, I was
thinking that like all of them though, right, like.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, I mean you could say that Charles is just
kind of an asshole. I don't really know much about
Princess Anne, do you what. No, I don't really know
about the royals as much as you do, for sure.
I don't really know much about Anne and Edward. But
I mean I know most about Charles because I love
Princess Diana. And we know how that went. And then
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Prince Andrew has seemingly been a sex pest for many decades.
So I don't know. I think it's camp. Did you
see today that apparently a Virginia geu Frey is coming
out with a bulk post tert suicide. Oh, like she
already had it in the works.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
I guess it looks like it looks like there's a
book coming out that is from her. So it must
have been in the works or in her writings or
they were able to get stuff together. But we'll talk
about that, like.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, like we can't even start getting into the Epstein
suff right now. That could be an entire episode in itself,
especially with everything going.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
I just wanted to I just wanted to tell you.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I mean, we'll tell you. I'll read it when it
comes out, trust me, I'm interested to see what she
has to say, So I'll read it and then report back.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
All right, let's wrap up with this this last uh,
this last case of this family that has these multiple pregnancies.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
A mom who is a quadruplet just became a first
time mom to quintuplets. Like, how crazy is this?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So it's apparently it's so rare that the odds are
one in fifty five to one in fifty seven million
chants of this happening, and and really really as far
as her having the five the quintuplets, and the reason
it is is because now when you hear somebody has
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like eight babies, you're just kind of like, whatever this
has been Johnny kas Yeah, You're just kind of like, okay,
them all at one time, Like she had quintuplets naturally,
no IVF drugs. So that's why it's so rare. It
almost seems like a party is like that's not true,
you're lying, you know. But there's a case actually I
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wanted to talk about real quick, and this is another
thing we could go on a tangent about, but I
was looking into this and over ninety years ago there
were quintuplets that were naturally created, called the Diwne Quintuplets,
and they have a really crazy story actually in Time
magazine that maybe we could talk about at another time.
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But they they were born to this family and then
apparently the government took them away for a while because
they thought that the parents didn't have the smarts, were
the money to take care of them, so they kind
of put them in this nursery, but there were these
like five beautiful little girls, and they like let the
public come and gawk at them. And then this doctor
wrote a book about them, and then he became a millionaire.
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Well in today's day, he would be considered a millionaire
from all of the stuff he was doing with them.
And then they finally gave the kids back to the parents,
but they were in like palml of ads and they
were all over Time magazine and they were just doing
all these different ads, and the whole article goes on
this tangent about like how they were kind of the
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original kid influencers and how terrible it ended up being
for their lives. And then they were able to interview
them when they were older, and they were giving advice
to other families that had multiple births because they're just
like media loves them to just be like, let your
kids have a normal life and don't do what they
did to us, because they ruined our life.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
So it's so much better to exploit these babies than
to let them live with quote unintelligent parents. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
I was just thinking, like how messed up that is.
I mean, this happened ninety years ago. There was no
IVF drugs or anything to just think that this spontaneously happened.
Is it's just so it's so rare. And so her
mother is dead and they didn't say how if she
was spontaneous as well, which is really interesting, Like I
(57:18):
don't know if her mom took IVF drugs to get
the quads with her.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Well, aren't children of that are multiples more likely to
have multiple children?
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Like aren't twins more likely to have TRIK I believe
So I'm not. I'd have to look that up. I'm
not one hundred percent sure. But listen, this is another
side note, like looking at this, so this chick in
the pictures only holding three of her five babies, and
she said since she found out she's pregnant, she broke
up with her partner, so she's a single mom now. Well,
(57:51):
so it looks overwhelming with just the three, and I
can't believe that there's two more.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Well, as of when this article was written, only three
of the kids were home because they were born really
early twenty eight and a half weeks, so only three
of them have been sent home from the nick you since,
so two of them are still in the hospital, which
is why she only has the picture with the three
in the house. But I can't even imagine how overwhelming
this would be as a single mother. Hopefully she has
I mean, she has three siblings as we have established,
(58:17):
so hopefully that their family's really close and people are
helping her out, because I can't imagine how chaotic this make.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
It just like just the three of them. It just
stresses me out looking at it, and I'm like, you
don't even have enough hands to hold the three babies, Like,
I just can't imagine that. It's really remarkable, though, to
think of a human being capable of doing this without
any intervention.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
It's very cool. Okay, let's move on to Questions of
the Week. Every Friday at the AP Mother Knows Death
Instagram account, you guys can head over to our story
ask us whatever you want. Also, for our YouTube subscribers,
I've been putting a little prompt up on YouTube so
you could access that to ask us some questions as well,
because we certainly don't want you guys to feel excluded
in any way. First, when you cut open the body
(59:04):
in autopsies, do they bleed like a normal big cut wood?
Speaker 1 (59:08):
No, because they're dead. So when whenever you bleed. When
you're alive human and you get cut, the reason that
it starts gushing out of your body is because your
heart is beating, and every single time your heart contracts,
it is pushing blood through your circulatory system, and when
there is a hole in the circulatory system, it just
(59:30):
goes out of the hole, just like you would see
a leak in a hose or something like that. So
once a person is dead there obviously, when you die,
your blood is still in your circulatory system. So when
you make the incisions, it might leak out when you
cut through a blood vessel, but it just kind of
drips out and it's not being pushed through. So whatever
(59:53):
drips out is just whatever is close to the hole there.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Does that make sense? Yeah, So like when because you guys,
when you're in there, so you're not just like completely
covered in blood when you're just making incisions, because the
way I'm picturing it is like horror movie esque where
you make the incision and it's just like spraying out
all over the place, but cleanly.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
No, I think that's a misconception that people have. Like
you have in your body a circulatory system. The heart
is the pump that pushes it through, and then the
veins bring it back to the heart, and then the
heart you know, it goes in the lungs to get oxygen,
goes back in the heart, gets pumped out, and it
just is in a circle. All of your blood is
(01:00:33):
contained within those blood vessels, so and and but they
all go down to the distal parts of every part
of your body to very very small capillaries that are
present at your fingertips. And so if you cut through
a major one when someone's alive that's going to that
(01:00:55):
could risk their life. They could die from that. And
and I'm talking like you talk about when people kill
themselves and they slit their wrists. Okay, that would be
your radial artery. That's that's not even a super major one.
That's pretty it's pretty distal. Like if you really, if
you really want to die or kill someone, like carotid
(01:01:15):
artery up in the neck or or even one in
the arm close anywhere closer to the heart would obviously
bleed more. But when you cut open someone for an autopsy,
so you cut across their chest, really you're only cutting
across like very small blood vessels in the skin because
there's no major arteries that are in the skin right there,
(01:01:36):
and it's really only until you take off the ribs
that you really start seeing more of the major blood vessels,
especially up near the heart, like the subclavian artery and
of course the aordo, which is the biggest artery in
the body. So when you cut open those vessels, and
we have to we have to cut those vessels at
(01:01:57):
some point to remove them from the body, that's when
blood pours out. But really, when you tech, if you
look at an autopsy and you take off the ribs
and you're looking at the organs, there really should not
be that much blood. Besides, the blood vessels that you
cut through that area is sterile. It should just be air,
all right.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Two thoughts unpregnant women drinking an occasional glass of wine
during pregnancy. I say, no, I just don't understand why
it's necessary, you know what I mean, Like, you can't
take like a couple, you can't take a year off
from drinking, you know what I mean. I don't really
drink that much, So like for me, it just would
(01:02:37):
be no problem at all, But for some people it
seems to be quite a challenge. And I've known a
couple of people that were pregnant and drank an occasional
glass of wine, and I'm just like, you can't just
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's just like it's a sign of weakness to me obviously,
like like honestly, like I just think it's completely it's
just completely unnecessary. You would you wouldn't never think about
I mean I know that this is not exactly the same,
but like you would never think about putting wine in
a bottle and giving it to a baby, right, It's
(01:03:10):
the same with people who smoke weed, like you, when
you have a baby like that's born with a mother
that smokes weed, they can be positive for that drug
in their system. Like why why can't you just wait?
Like there's it's just a matter of just withholding for
(01:03:32):
just a few months of your life. It's just I
don't think that it's necessary. And we know that it
passes through the child. So yeah, like if you have
a glass of wine, it's not gonna kill your kid.
It's just it's not. But like why, like why aren't
you strong enough to just not have it?
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I feel like for me, like if they were like
you can't have any coffee at all. That would be
really difficult for me because it's like my one thing
I really enjoy every day. But if they were like
you can't have it, I would I would have to
deal with it. It would suck. But like you have
to just put the health and your baby is a priority,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I just I really just don't
understand it. I almost feel like if you feel like
you have to, maybe you're just like not ready to
do it yet. And there's lots there's lots of things
that people do through pregnancy, Like sometimes there's medications that
people have to take that might be in a class
that's considered to be dangerous, which is more harm to
the fetus than they like, or there's not really studies
(01:04:32):
that show the direct connection between them, but sometimes for
the health of the mother, it's necessary to take those medications.
But so sometimes you have to do things like that
because your your life, as much as you as much
as you shouldn't say it, your life is priority to
(01:04:54):
an extent because you're the one that's here and living
as far as your health goes. But that's your health
that doesn't have to do with like a recreational winding
down thing. I just don't I just don't see the
point of it. I don't know, Like I know that
there's arguments that people are like it's fine and it's
(01:05:14):
just and it's that, but it's just like like I
don't think I've had a glass of alcohol on a year,
Like yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
We're a completely different breed, Like we're considered freaks because
we don't drink really, you know what I mean. So
like I agree with you one hundred percent, Like I
don't think it's necessary at all, but some people really
just can't do it. And it's like you're saying, it's
not a drug that you need for your health. It's
something that's purely recreational. So if you can't stop doing
(01:05:43):
it for nine months, like you need to really sit
back and evaluate it. That's my opinion on it anyway,
all right, would you ever consider doing a meat and greet?
I live in South Jersey close to Philly, So we
are doing a meat and greet in October. On October eighteenth,
we are going to be part of Dark Side, New Jersey,
and we're going to be doing a live Mother Nos
death show followed by a book signing.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Where it's in Trenton, right, Edison. Oh, it's in Edison, Okay,
And it's it's a like an oddities punk rock kind
of flea market thing. Yeah, it's run by the people
that do the punk rock flea market in New Jersey,
but this is all focused on oddities and they also
have other events going on, like I think last year
they had sword swallowers and tattoo and tax dermy classes
(01:06:29):
and all this other eff I'm actually really excited to
go to this because I'm going to bring a ton
of money and just buy a bunch of shit because
I love I love those things. Just going and seeing
all the different crafts people are doing with the taxidermy
and any kind of oddities. They have a lot of
(01:06:49):
antiques that are super cool, so I'm just looking forward
to go shopping. Yeah, I think it's gonna be guys.
Of course, it's all day long.
Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I don't really. Somebody has asked if we had a
time frame when we were going on. I don't. We
didn't get any type of schedule yet, but we will
be there so we'll have more information about that. If
you are subscribed to our newsletter with the Gross Room,
you already know this information, so we had revealed it
a couple of days ago. But yeah, we're excited to
do that at October eighteenth and Edison, New Jersey at
(01:07:19):
the New Jersey Expo Center. It's going to be a
really fun day, guys. Crime Con is next week. I
seriously can't believe it's here already. I'm really excited for it,
and we're going to see you in Denver. Then. If
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Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone, Welcome to Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're
going to talk about the latest with missing and unfortunately
presumed dead baby Emmanuel Harrow. Then we'll talk about a
toddler who survived a murder suicide, a man who slipped
his girlfriend abortion pills, and the dangers of getting back
Allie Dental Veneers. We also have a couple of stories
(00:43):
related to rare and unusual family circumstances, including one family
with a strong history of having four or more babies
per pregnancy, and a shocking case of a woman who
unknowingly married a very very very close family member. All
that and more on today's episode, let's get started with
(01:05):
the update on baby Emmanuel.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
So, for you guys who are part of our YouTube
live over the weekend, we had talked about baby Emmanuel's
parents being arrested and even more information has come out
since then, which is nuts because that was only a
couple days ago. But quick reminder, it was the mother
who claimed she was changing her son's diaper in a
parking lot of a Big five store when somebody all
of a sudden came up to her said, oh Lah
(01:29):
knocked her out and then took the baby. But of
course police immediately said there was a lot of inconsistencies
with her story. Let's not forget the father has a
history of child abuse, and now they have no evidence
to suggest this kid was kidnapped. In fact, new information's
coming out that he hasn't been seen in over a
month by other family members. This is exactly going like
(01:50):
the Casey Anthony case.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I don't know, it's just like to me, it's so
glaringly obvious, and the police thought so since day one,
because they never put out an amberiler and I never
even looked for the kid, and by all accountsless and like,
I need everybody to stop saying that this guy did
former child abuse, because that could be There's lots of
(02:17):
different things that fall under the category of child abuse,
including neglect, and sometimes it could be something minor versus
all the way up to what this guy did, which
should be called attempted murder because he almost killed his
child to the point where she has permanent disabilities and
(02:38):
really no quality of life. She's never going to have
friends and play like a little kid and live a
normal life.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
At all.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
She is completely wheelchair bound and has to be taken
care of for the rest of her life because he
beat her so severely. And I'm so this case just
in fury because this guy after he was beating only
a ten week old baby who also had evidence of
(03:10):
healed fractures, which means he was beaten that kid way
before ten weeks, I mean, the kid's not even two
months old, right, It's it's completely unacceptable that he was
only given one hundred and eighty days in prison, and
he only served one day and the rest was on
(03:32):
house to rest work release situation. So I really think
that they should make legislation that is okay, judge, if
you want to let this guy out and you think
that he could be rehabilitated, that's fine, give him that chance.
But if this guy hurts someone else, then you also
(03:54):
get charged when he gets charged, because it's it's kind
of their fault for even lettings someone out within a
day to then go pro create and have more children
and do this again. It's just it's not fair to
the children involved in situations like this.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I just feel like, if you're capable of hurting a
young baby like that, then you're capable of doing so
much worse. And obviously we're seeing it happen all over again.
He has other children involved. I'm sure these situations are
not isolated to just these two kids, right, They have
to be all affected in some type of way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And also, I mean you're right. I mean she got
the black eye from somewhere and it wasn't a person
that punched her in the parking lot. And we know
that because any person that's ever either had a bruise
or studies medicine knows that that bruise was not fresh.
Well it was, it was there for days at least,
and it was traveled halfway down her cheek at that point,
(04:52):
which is what happens when you have a healing bruise,
that it migrates to the lowest point of gravity after
the injury occurs. Anyone that's ever had a bruise knows that.
Like sometimes if you get a really bad bruise on
your knee or something, within a week, you're gonna see
that blood halfway down your calf. That's something everybody has
(05:14):
experienced and knows. So she's full shit, But she did
get it somewhere, right, and surprise, surprise, a guy that
beats kids also beats on his wife. It's just like
annoying because none of this had to happen at all,
And no, it's like the whole entire thing. It's not
(05:35):
even as I feel like with Casey Anthony, I guess
obviously too, like just certain things that people do when
their child goes missing. It's just a red flag for
anyone that's not only just a parent, but just anyone
that's a human to have reactions of. You know, there's
been people knocking on their door asking them if they
(05:56):
could help find their baby, and the guys like, you're trespassing.
Like I'm sorry. If one of my children were missing,
I'd want every single person in the world to stop
doing their job and anything they're doing and help find
my child. Right While a bunch of their behavior is weird,
of course, the first thing I noticed was they weren't crying,
(06:17):
or they were seemingly crying, but there was no tears.
In the press conference, they were referring to the baby
in the past tense I heard this morning on another show,
they pointed out that she was saying she got knocked
to the floor, not to the ground, which is an
interesting slip as well, like cause you probably got punched
and knocked out in your house, not in the parking
lot like you're claiming. And then this super ominous footage
(06:41):
came out over the weekend of the father in his
jail garb looking around a mountainous areas, like assumed to
be looking for the remains of this baby, because why
else are they looking over there? I really wonder what
that's about, too. Well, apparently something new came out today,
which was I guess the day before. So they were
(07:02):
arrested this past Friday, and the day before the police
had been called to another house, so not the house
that they were currently in, another house, and they said
that it was related to the baby who's missing, and
they so happened to get arrested the next day. So
I'm kind of wondering, like what that house has to
(07:24):
do with it? What they found there? That house was
actually thirty miles away from the house that they're currently in,
So I don't know what's up with that. I guess
we'll see. I mean, why else would he be in
a field with police looking for a body. They didn't
find a body. They had daver dogs and everything, and
(07:46):
they didn't find anything, well.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Of course, why are they even bringing him out there?
And then the mom's doubling down that no, he was kidnapped.
So I'm still a firm believer that she's a victim
of abuse as well. And she's I mean, she's probably
scared to death of the guy. No matter what the
situation is. He has a history of abuse. It's not
like these are false accusations towards him. And you have
(08:08):
to assume somebody willing to hurt a baby years before
that badly is willing to do it again. Yeah, he's
just such a scumbag.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I'm just a more We have a couple cases that
we're talking about this week that obviously this guy's a
scumbag and you're mad about it, but I'm just also
I'm just so mad at the system for not doing
more about this. It's it just I feel like we
(08:38):
always talk about this on this show about people who
should not be allowed to have children, Like we talked
about it with that or briefly talked about it with
that one case of that guy who adopted who had
a history of child sexual abuse and then was able
to not adopt but get as Sarah get to have
a baby for him he was kind of able to
(08:59):
buy pay well, that was like some weird legal loophole.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I mean, I could be totally ignorant to this, but
in my mind, I feel like, if you know, somebody
has a history of abuse like this guy does, especially
to that capacity, or in that other case, you are
a convicted sex offender and you have a baby, that
you should not be allowed to take any other children
home from the hospital and be in your care. That
(09:23):
system may very well exist. I'm not aware of it,
but I don't understand why these people are going to
jail for crimes, not even just crimes, heinous crimes against children,
and then just being allowed to have more and more kids.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, because it's important to note that he has more children,
but the only children that were in his possession are
ones that he had after so they did take away
his children. But the thing is is that he just
had more well exactly. But a lot of people you've
been talking about, like, you know, I'm not a fan
(09:58):
of saying people can I have children, because then where
do you draw the line, Because let's say, for example,
some people get arrested for child abuse. But I feel
like in some cases there might be rehabilitation possible. Like
let's say, for example, like we were talking about earlier,
like neglect falls under the category of child abuse. And
(10:24):
let's talk about that influencer girl. I forget what her
name was, but she was a family influencer and the
kid drowned in the pool. You know that whole story
we've talked about. So apparently all this information has come
out that the dad was like in the house and
he was taking care of the newborn, and he was
also betting on sports at the same time, and the
(10:45):
kid wasn't being watched for like nine minutes outside. That
is considered child abuse. It's neglect. You willfully were like
not watching him properly, and he was in a position
that he ended up having an accident and dying from that.
But when I look at that, I'm just kind of like, Okay,
does that guy deserve to get his other kid taken away?
(11:08):
Some people would say yes. I say, you know what,
like if there's a way that he could get some
kind of intense therapy and just figure that out.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
He didn't.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
He didn't intentionally hurt hurt the child like we're talking about.
In this case, it's just that he was being a
shitty dad and really didn't understand he's he was a
sports betting so he might have a gambling addiction and
all this, And I feel like a person like that
can be so like so to speak, rehabilitated and be
(11:41):
able to have children in his care again, whereas with
this guy, he be a child so severely that there
that they almost died. And on top of that, Emmanuel
has had abuse to I don't know for sure that
it's my opinion just looking at him, he just look
he has a look of a child that has had
(12:04):
survived shaken baby syndrome and abuse, and that like, to me,
that's just that guy is. He's broken and he can't
ever be fixed, and he should not be able to
have any more children in his I mean, really, I
guess at this point we don't have to worry about
it because hopefully, because hopefully now he'll go to jail
(12:26):
for the rest of his life. I would even doubt
it still, but exactly, like especially in California, like, who
the hell knows what's going to happen. But well, on the.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Example you just brought up, though, like you could look
at the differences between the charges of neglect and abuse,
and of course sometimes those things are intertwined. But in
that case, it's like, we can all agree what the
father of the influencer's son was doing was wrong, and
you could argue that, you know, with technology and our
generation now being totally addicted to being on the phone,
(12:56):
possibly having a gambling addiction. I mean, I don't know
what was going on in his personal life, but it
doesn't mean he's like the best at ever. Clearly he
was neglectful and that resulted in the death of a child,
and that's wrong. But I do think there's a difference
between somebody intentionally beating a child within inches of their life, right, Yeah,
So like, yeah, I think there are cases of neglect
(13:18):
where parents shouldn't be parents again, but I guess it's
a case by case basis. It's the same thing you're saying.
It's like, where do you draw the line what's considered
a horrible enough offense that somebody's not allowed to have
kids anymore. Personally, I feel like if you're beating a child,
like you should be set on fire, But like, I
don't know, Like I just don't think jail's enough. There
(13:40):
are people that you know, get in bar fights, and
then there's people that beat kids and women. You know,
there's just a difference.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
As we know with Brian Coberger, which we'll talk about
on another episode this week. The system kind of in
a positive the system takes care of itself because even
though they're in jail with other criminals who have done
heinous crimes, some of them have a heart and a
(14:09):
soul and people might have no problem shooting a rival
gang member that's an adult or something like that. But
even for those types of people, children are off limits.
Well that's what That's exactly what I'm saying, Like, he'll
get his, trust me, he will get his one day.
There's plenty of people involved in assaults that would never
ever ever put their hands on the child, and that's
(14:30):
where it has that's where it gets like murky waters,
you know. But yeah, I just think last time, this
guy maybe wasn't in jail long enough, as we've talked
about before, where the system took care of itself. But
now hopefully he'll be in the rest of his life. Personally,
I mean, if this kid's dead, obviously he should be
eligible for the death penalty. But in a case where
you're beating a couple week old baby to the point
(14:53):
that they're messed up the rest of their life. You
should also be eligible for the death.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Penalty for that. Yeah, I agree, there's just no rehibit
lillitation for the phys pause. Yeah seriously. Okay, So in
this next case, a mother shot her husband and two
of her children, who were six and eight years old,
before turning the gun on herself. But to me, in
the strangest part of the story, it was that she
left her toddler untouched.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So this is what I'm thinking in this case, there's
a lot more to this story. I guess this mom
is a pseudo influencer, at least. When her husband got
diagnosed with brain cancer, she started a TikTok account and
describes herself as a brain cancer wife, and she really
(15:38):
goes through her journey in a few videos, talking about
how hard it's been on her, how hard it's been
on her children, especially because he's having increased seizure activity
because of the brain tumor, and how she's dealing with
depression and trying to get herself out of it, and
saying that she wants to just be under the blanket
(16:01):
all day and hide and obviously a mother of three
children that are young in their forties, little kids. I
can imagine how hard that is to sit there and
watch your husband die in front of you and have
to stay strong in front of little kids that you
(16:23):
know they're not going to have their dad soon. I mean, like,
I want to cry just saying that out loud. It's terrible.
It's just terrible. And I don't know, obviously, I've never
been in that situation, and I don't know, like when
you go to the neurology department and they diagnose you
with something like that and you're there and you're young
and you have a family, Like, do they just send
(16:46):
you home and that's it? Or is there like resources
for that, because a lot of people, you could understand,
would go downhill quickly with that, And I'm not even
sure if all the therapy in the world can really
help that. So this mom ended up getting a gun
(17:06):
and killing her husband and her two older children, and
then didn't kill the little one, and then decided to
kill herself. And the only reason that I think that
she spared the little one is because the little one
doesn't really know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, Well, like I totally understand what you're saying. But
at the same time, plenty of patients, plenty of people
have parents that are terminally ill and die when they're young,
and their mother doesn't kill their whole family. So like,
clearly something else was going on here too, because obviously
that news is really hard to like take in and
everything in process, But like, you can't just kill your
whole family because your husband's gonna die. No, I mean, no,
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I'm not justifying it.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I'm just saying that if we I'm sure there's someone
listening to our show right now that's been in a
similar situation, and that person right now is thinking, yes,
like I understand this to a certain extent. I didn't
do it myself, but I understand the state of mind
that she was in when she did this.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, I just I'm wondering just what else was going on.
I mean, they were saying that in the investigation they've
become aware of various concerns and issues going on at
the household at the same time too, So clearly there
was another contributing factor to this. I can see what
you're trying to say, But at the same time, it's
like the kids are still young enough where they're gonna recover.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I'm not justifying it. I mean, obviously they deserve
to have their life. And there's thousands and millions of
people over the course of history that have lost their
parents at a young age and it's not ideal. I mean,
the same could be said for a dad that walks
out and the kid doesn't have the dad around their
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whole life either. I mean, like, it sucks not to
have your parents around that there's no way to make
that better. And obviously so many people grow up to
be to do great things and be great individuals even
though they didn't have that person around. It just shows
weakness and not resiliency and stuff. I mean, it's it sucks.
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But you hear on the news all the time of
people getting killed that had family and they were young.
I mean, this is this is just this is an
unfortunate part of.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Life, and.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
It sucks because that the toddler won't remember any of
it and just will grow up thinking that the aunt
that the kids with now is the mom. But imagine
being that being your your sibling that now has to
deal with the fact that your sibling killed herself and
her husband and two of your your nieces and nephews,
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Like it's it's just that's not cool to put on someone.
It's just not the.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Can't The toddler may be raised by another person that
he's younger, or he or she's young enough to think
as their mother, but they're still always going to know
what happened. It's not like you could shield that from
a kid their entire life.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, don't know, but they like they're not gonna. One
of my friends died when the when the baby was born,
and he doesn't. I mean, it's so heartbreaking to us,
and I'm sure that for him it's just like he
thinks about that, but like he never knew her.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's just like not, it's just different. I'm saying he
never knew her. But when he gets older, I mean,
he's gonna know he had a mother that delivered him
and died. So this kid is eventually gonna know. Like
they obviously probably aren't gonna give them details about exactly
what went down, but when he's old enough, he's gonna
be able to figure it out. Well. And then you're
haunted by the internet life.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, exactly like they will. They will know about it
for sure, But I mean, I don't think it's necessarily
something that has to loom over him. It just depends
on I mean, I'm honestly not sure if a family
like you could go back and forth, like, is a
family member that just experienced this horrific trauma the best
person to try to like raise this kid to be normal.
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I mean, imagine, just imagine the craziness that's going on
in that house right now. It's just it's just sad
all around. But I am curious about what resources are
offered to people when they're given these horrible, horrible diagnosis
like this and just not knowing what's happening and having
a you know, sometimes the husband, especially in this case,
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like maybe the husband was making more money than she
was and she was stressed not only just about the death,
but also about finances. There's just like so many different
things that could send a person down. And if she
has a toddler too, she might be just experiencing just
like an extended form of postpartum depression that just came
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from recently having three little kids back to back, And
there's a lot of stuff that could be going on there.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
So I mean, arguably she made this kid's life worse
by killing off his entire family than if just her
husband had died, and they like dealt with it together
as a family.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, absolutely, and I mean a strong support system and
everything like that. It's just all of it is just
it's really just terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
I mean, trust me, you know, we've talked plenty over
the course of this show how it goes with doctors,
Like do you think they're seriously like, why don't you
have your whole family come in and we'll talk about
it and try to work through it. No, they probably
just were like, you have terminal cancer.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
By you know, what I always say is really interesting
because we you know, we were at children's hospital a
lot for Lucia's health problems, and at the children's hospital
they're so so on top of these really long doctor's
appointments that they sit there and explain everything to you
and they offer like resources for everything, just like, oh,
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this kid's got a lot of medical problems. Maybe they
need to talk to a therapist, and just like all
this different stuff. And then also just so the family understands.
Then it's like you become an adult and medicine completely changes,
and it's like adults still don't understand what's going on.
They still need a lot of times people have chronic
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medical conditions, it's very stressful financially, emotionally, physically just being
in pain all the time, Like they just don't offer
the same It's just it's just something I always thought
was like kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, yeah, I mean, there's just there needs to be
some form of an overhaul of this healthcare system in general,
because it's just operating like a factory, like you get
ten minutes and if your appointment goes over that, you
get billed even more. Yeah. Okay, So police shout up
to this home after getting reports of a pregnant woman
with a medical emergency, and when they showed up, there's
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blood all over. The woman's crying, and she goes on
to tell them that she was seven weeks pregnant and
her boyfriend didn't want her to have the baby. So reportedly,
the whole time he had been slipping her abortion pills
to force her to have a miscarriage.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So he had bought her what he called an abortion
pill that he got from someone on campus. He said
that he paid fifty dollars for so they don't really
know where he got this but does it even really
matter at this point, he got a drug cognf of pristone,
which is one of another drug that is used to
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do a medical abortion, and this particular one helps by
reducing hormones and making the environment for a fetus not good,
so in theory, you would abort the baby. The thing
is is that sometimes if you just take that particular
drug and you don't take the other drug that helps
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contrack the uterus and expel it, sometimes it doesn't always work.
But then obviously, like in a case like this, it
did work by just taking the one pill. She ended
up having a miscarriage and called nine one one and
they found her in the bathroom with blood all over her,
and the guy just admitted to authorities right there what
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he did. So this is just an It's an interesting
debate for me because apparently this guy has been charged
with two counts of intentional homicide of an unborn child,
which carries the same potential punishment as a conviction for
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first degree murder, which is twenty to sixty years in prison.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I just have a lot of questions with this case because,
of course, first I'm like, where are people just getting
abortion pills? Because you just said that this guy got
it from some girl on a campus. Of course they
don't know what this campus is. But where is that
girl even getting them from. Is she going to a
clinic and getting prescribed them or is she getting them
over the counter? How are they just so accessible to people.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
I don't think that you can get them over the
counter as of right now, but they do have them
in drug stores if you have a prescription. So let's say,
for example, maybe the girl thought that she was pregnant
and then she ended up getting her period and didn't
need it. That's a possibility that she just had it
like sitting around because of that. But there's lots of
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you know, how you can go online and get like
erectile dysfunction drugs and ozempic just by having a short
video call with someone and they could prescribe it to you,
like they have it at CBS and stuff. If you
have a prescription, you could pick it up. So there's
that possibility, and then there's just the possibility that she
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perhaps works at a clinic that has them and just
has access to them. I mean, it's the same thing
like how do you sell percocets on the street. It's
done illegally, but people get them all the time.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, and then I guess other questions I had were
in the past when we've reported stories like this, the
women said like the guy were either putting it in
their food or giving it to them, saying it was
like a prenatal vitamin or something. I just I don't
believe this article disclosed how he was giving them to her, right,
but he was very open that he didn't want the baby.
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I just have a lot of questions about the laws
surrounding this because obviously, like if she so, she's seven weeks,
so if she decided to go get an abortion, then
that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
But then if.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
He doesn't want the baby, then he could go to
jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, but it was the way in which he went
to like he was poisoning her.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I know, but but like he's getting charged with the baby,
harming the baby, the fetus, right, And then on top
of that, about the case that we just talked about
with emmanuel' harrow and j Carro, the dad, I just
I don't understand. So if you have a live fetus
that's born to be a baby, and then you almost
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kill it, you don't get any jail time barely and
any trouble. But like if there's a fetus that's seven weeks,
that's not even anything yet you can go to jail
for twenty to sixty years. And like, I just don't
understand how the laws are written. It's just very weird
to me.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
They're not federal laws. They're different by state. This law
we're talking about with this case pertains the Illinois law
in particular, and the herow case is in California, which
I think it's an important cover. And see what you're
saying too about like if a woman gets an abortion, Like,
I think it's an interesting, you know, conversation to have
because obviously, if you should have sex, you should know
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the result could be having a child. So both parties
need to take responsibility in that case. But I guess
maybe the woman has more power over it because she's
physically carrying the baby. Right, Oh yeah, in this case,
he's poisoning not I guess yeah, And I mean he
it just it just seems like, I mean, it is
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just like a weird.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's just a weird conversation to have because yes, he's
poison in her, but he should get more obviously, because
if if she wanted to keep the child like he did,
he did just keep he just killed her fetus. It's
it's going to was going to be her baby, right yeah.
So like it's just it's just a very it's just
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a very weird thing, just from a guy's perspective though.
It's the laws are different be for for women and men.
They don't have but I guess like there's really just
never going to be a way around that because a
guy will never carry a fetus.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
So well. Also, like an abortion is like a is
a clinical choice, and it's something that I guess not
in all states now, but in that state, is something
that's considered a legal thing to do, whereas he's slipping
somebody pills to murder an unborn child, you know.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, But I mean if she got the pills and
took them, it would be the same outcome.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But it would if she if she illegally got the pills,
it would she'd probably get the same charge, whereas if
she went to the doctor and was prescribed them. It's
a legal loophole, right, Yeah, It's just it's just an
interesting conversation to have. Well, yeah, of course it is.
But I mean it's you can't just mess up people medicine,
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you know what I mean, Yeah, and you can't.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
It's just it's just hard to say because you're like,
that's not fair that he's making that choice for her.
But then at the same time, it's like, well, like
that happens in the reverse all the time.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
You know, Like, well, I guess it's just allowed because
the woman's physically carrying the baby. Yeah, but but but
like if you have I'm just saying, like if the
situation was vice versa and he said I really want
to keep the baby, and she says no and takes
that pill, then like nobody's in trouble. Yeah, it's just
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an interesting conversation.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, I mean, I I don't like, honestly, I don't
really care because I'm not a guy and I don't
have to ever deal with that, I guess. I mean,
it's like, but it's just it's just worth noting. I
guess that it's it's not really ever gonna be my problem,
but it's just interesting that it's different.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Well, I am interested about people's opinions on this because
I think you could argue, like either way you know
what I mean. So it's just one of those things,
like I guess it just depends on your personal beliefs
and everything.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, and in general, I would say that it's never okay.
It's never okay to give someone something that they're not
aware of. Even I'll go as far as say, is
like if someone's vegetarian and you like slip me in
their food, it's just not cool, like to do something
simple like that, especially to drug someone ever.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
But like, I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Just it's just the debate of who who makes the decision,
who gets to I mean, because DNA wise of a fetus,
it's it is.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Half his and it's half hers. But it's all before
people get in a tizzy, we're not saying it was
okay he gave her the pills, like perfectly clear, that
was not okay.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'm more I'm honestly more concerned with I mean, like,
let's say I don't even know how to say this.
Let's say she wasn't pregnant and he just gave her
drugs to Let's say he gave her whatever to get
her high or to get her you know, gave her benadryl.
So she would fall asleep so he could have sex
with her. Like, what would the charges be poisoning? Yeah,
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but it would it be would it be twenty to
sixty years in prison? Like I'm just I'm just more
annoyed of of the charges being so heavy for this
guy when we just talked about a child that was
almost be to death that.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Got a slap on the wrist. Yeah, But like I
just said, they're in different states, so you can't look
at them because they're under different jurisdictions and they're handled differently.
It maybe, but seriously, it might be similar because in California,
and I don't know if the rules have changed within
twenty years or whatever it's been since Lacy Peterson and stuff.
But like he actually, Scott Peterson actually got charged with
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the homicide of Connor Peterson too, even though he wasn't
born yet. Because and that doesn't happen in every state
that people can get in trouble for harming a fetus
while while in utero, So it may be a lull
in California too, is what I'm saying. But people are
gonna argue that in the case of the Harrows, that
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that baby did not die even though she has no
quality of life anymore, but she did not die, so like,
that's probably where the line is, right, So six twenty
to sixty years in prison if the person dies, and
one day in prison if they almost die. Yeah, well,
I'm agreeing it's ridiculous, but that's where they're going to
argue the life is drawn. Yeah, which is ridiculous. Okay.
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A woman has been arrested after performing unlicensed dental work
on patients and most horrifically installing fake veneers with super glue.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
So they were saying in the article like that, the
American Dental Association doesn't. It puts out a statement that
says to not go to people who are veneer technicians.
So I was looking into it to see if that's
the thing, because I was always under the assumption that
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a dentist was the only person allowed to do that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
A licensed dentist. Me too, I would never even think
to get dental work of any capacity done anywhere other
than a dental office. This girl was doing it at
a beauty bar.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I am still I do still have questions though, for
those of you that work in this field, because it
looks like the American Dental Association is writing it in
such a way that says that the the dental veneer
dental texts are not it's just says it's they're not
typically licensed and really only dental work can be done
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by a licensed person. But also I would think that
dental hygienists are licensed as well, and I don't know
if they're legally allowed to apply them. There's also I
know that there's lab technicians that make the actual veneers.
They they you know, they match the color and they
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shape and they do the mold and all that stuff.
And I don't know if it's a person like that. Obviously,
I don't believe that they're trained to apply them.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
They just make them.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like I mean, they're like sculptures kind of, you know.
So it is it's interesting, But at the same time
you look at it and you say, well, people, it's
kind of similar to just putting like fake nails on
a person in a way.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
And obviously this but you're not what's super glue in
your mouth?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
No you're not. But I'm saying like this this woman
was saying, oh, like I'm just gonna do it, because
it's the same exact thing as putting fake nails on
a person, and obviously this is why people were having
all these problems. It's just it's just kind of interesting
the difference. I mean, teeth are a whole different ballgame
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than fingernails. They're the first part of your gi track
and they they're not your fingernails. They I mean, just
think about the amount of pain. Although one could argue
that your fingernails hurt pretty bad too if you have
trauma to them, but your teeth or a.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Whole other level.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
But there's definitely things that could be wrong with your mouth,
such as having tooth decay or having some kind of
gum disease that would make you not a candidate for veneers.
And if you have a person that's not a dentist
that doesn't recognize those pathologies and then tries to give
you these vine years with these chemicals that aren't approved
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for the mouth, you could make these these underlying pathologies worse.
And just even if you have perfectly healthy teeth and
try to do this, you could really give a person
lifelong problems. That's going to number one, cause them to
be in pain and also can cause them to have
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to put out thousands and thousands of dollars for dental work.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Did like, don't when you get your veneers, you have
to get your teeth drilled down for them to work.
Like in the way I'm understanding this in my mind,
I guess the way I'm visualizing this is she's buying
like flippers off of Amazon and then just super gluing
them on people's teeth. They're not getting the individual ones done.
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Because this article was saying that real veneers could cost
more than one thousand dollars per tooth, but this girl
was offering three thousand dollars for an entire set and
promising a lifespan of five to seven years.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Well, so I'm saying, I guess when it costs that
much of tooth, though, that's obviously an up charge from
the dentist as well. So the dentist when they get
it from the lab, they're not paying anywhere near that
much per tooth. They just upcharge to put it on
because they can. Right, So this woman, I don't know,
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like you know a lot of people go to Mexico
and stuff and get vinyars, like she might have connections
to someone there that makes them really cheap in the lab. Also,
you're right, like it could It could totally be like
she's buying some kit online and for a fake flipper.
Tell tell them what a flipper is because some people
might not know what that is.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, if you've ever watched Toddlers and Tierras, that's what
I learned what a flipper is. It's literally like fake
teeth that you just snap over your teeth and it
looks really fake in person. But I don't know if
that's what she was getting these veneers. So let me
tell you guys the story, because I had I had
a real vineer story. So when I was in when
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I was at Drexel and I was getting ready to
graduate as a PA, I was like, Oh, I'm going
to buy myself a graduation present because I'm getting this
job or we're going to get paid all this money,
and I'm going to get veneers on my teeth. And
so I was at my local dentist that i'd been
going to for a couple of years, and I said
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to them it was in my last year of school,
and I was like, Oh, when I graduate, I'm going
to get veneers. So do you guys have a recommendation
of a cosmetic dentist? And then my dentist was like, oh,
we do them here, and I was like, oh you do, okay, cool,
because I really liked that office and stuff. I just
didn't even think anything of it. And so they said, oh,
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we can probably get some of it covered by insurance
and this, that and the other, and it would cost you.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
I don't even know what it was. I feel like
it was pretty cheap, like five thousand dollars, which is
cheap for veneers, way too cheap. Yeah, So but they
were like putting it under insurance partially so that like
I had to pay five thousand, I'll pocket.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I don't know what they ended up getting.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
So they they said, oh, we could do like this
payment plan is so you could get them done like
next week and if you want. So of course I
was like okay, yay, and I got so they they
I went in and they sold my teeth down, my
natural teeth like way too small. So now they're permanently
like small teeth, and gives me vinears and him and
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the lady literally like pull out a box and they're
like reading the instructions while they're doing them on me,
and and I'm just kind of like, okay, maybe they're
just trying to be thorough.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
So I get them done and they were a little
huge and like chick lity looking. But when you have
the little nubs for a couple of weeks before the
permanent teeth come in, they just everything looks huge because
you're you're now looking at your teeth that are so small.
So I get them done and then I go home
that day and I was eating a sandwich out of
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just like soft bread, like a soft bread turkey sandwich,
and my front tooth popped off right that night, and
I was like, oh my god, and what the hell
call them up? And now, because now I'm in school
and working, don't have really that much time. It was
when I first started dating Gabe too, so I was like,
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wanted to look really like nice. I couldn't be like,
oh I don't have a tooth tonight, we can't hang
out whatever. So I went and they glued it on
an emergency and they were like, oh, it's probably because
we just did them and they didn't they weren't cured
yet or whatever, and just be careful, don't bite into anything.
And I'm like, I can't even bite into a piece
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of bread. I thought like they told me not to
bite into like an apple or corn on the cob,
not a piece of bread.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, So I was like, oh cool, so I could
just like never eat sandwiches again the rest of my
life whatever. And then so then over the course of
two weeks, I was there nine times because they were
popping off every single day. Right, it was so bad.
And thank god. I was rotating at Penn and one
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of the cytotechs that I was there with in the
room said to me, oh, I had my venears done
by I'll say doctor Don in Cherry Hill because he's
awesome and he like saved my teeth, thank God. So
she's like, go talk to him. He's so good and
see if he could help you. Because I She's like,
I've had mine for twenty five years and I've never
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lost one.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And I was like what, So, so I went at
US nine this week.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, so I went at a consult with him, and
so number one starts off. He's just like, these don't
fit and they're giving you gum disease. And I got
something called a piogenic granuloma, which was a nodule that
grew in my gums because of the trauma from the
procedure they did the first.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Time on me.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
So he says to me, like, I have to they
were not applied correctly, and he could tell because one
of my teeth were popped off, of course, when I
went there to show him, and he's like, they didn't
do prep your teeth correctly, and they took off too
much enamel off of your teeth and that's why they're
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not sticking and that's why they hurt so bad. And
he was like, listen, you, I have to take all
of these off, and you have to go to a
gum surgeon and get this thing removed, and you can't
have them until the gum surgeon tells me that. It's
like a periodontist tells me that it's okay that you
get them put back on. So now I had to
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have little nub teeth, couldn't even put the temporaries on.
Had to have little nub teeth for months, right mind,
you just dating Gabe, So I avoided him for a while,
which was fine because he was totally like a side
note first starting to date him. Anyway, it all worked out,
but so he finally gave me my new teeth, and
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I've had them since I was like, U, what, seventeen
years now, I've had them and I only had one
pop off last year after fifteen or sixteen years of
having them. And actually that was one hundred percent my
fault because I was eating like I think it was
a jolly rancher or something that was like stuck on
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it and I pulled, like I vigorously tried to pull
it off. It was one hundred percent my fault, and
I got it put back on and it's not been
a problem since, like this guy fixed and saved my teeth.
And so I actually wrote a letter to the other
dentist and told them that I was gonna have to
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get a lawyer because now I had to pay. And
this was what fifteen seventy whatever years ago, I had
to pay thirteen thousand dollars to get them fixed. I
had to do it because, like I had, my teeth
hurts so bad.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
But that they clearly didn't know what they were doing,
so they shouldn't have offered the service.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yes, and here, like I wrote this guy this letter
and was just like, please don't make me like I've
been your patient forever and all this stuff, and he
sent me a check in the mail for thirteen thousand
dollars to give the doctor Don.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
It was crazy. Well she knew he made it right.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, so it all worked out well, thank god. But
the whole point of my story is to tell you,
like I kind of went through hell for a solid
year because I had who was an actual license dentist
who took a class on the weekend to learn how
to do veneers. So I'm just telling you guys this,
like do your research and if it's cheap, then I
(45:42):
would just not even try to think about it because
of like you see with me, mine was cheap and
then what happened to end up costing so much more
money because it had to be fixed. And like doctor
Don had to do like block out a whole day
to do my teeth because he had to do some
special prep because they were all screwed up and all
(46:03):
this stuff. And you know he deserves to get paid
for what he's doing too, So like this is this
is how it works.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
There's just certain things you don't skimp out on, and
I think anything done to your face is just not
worth going the cheaper route. There's just a lot, not
even certain things, there's a lot of things you should
not get a cheaper price on. I mean, this isn't
like getting a sweater like at an expensive store versus
getting it on Amazon. This is literally something on your
(46:30):
face and going in your mouth, which is really important.
And she only got reported after a couple of people
got infections, So that's not good.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
You know how Franny Fine always says that that is
one thing you always pay retail for, Yeah, like plastic
surgery anything like that. Like, yeah, so so I don't know.
I guess she's gonna she's gonna get in trouble. She
she Well, that's another thing too. She was promising that
it was gonna cause it was they would last for
(46:59):
five to seven years, which.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
You're saying is not the normal timeframe at all, Like
they should be lasting a really long time.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Theyde me think it was flip first, like I probably
will need to get mine replaced in like at another
point in my life.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
They're not going to last. I mean maybe they will.
I don't know, but I even said that to doctor Donnod,
was like, shouldn't I be getting them replaced around fifteen
twenty years? And he's just kind of like, listen if
they're staying on and they still look good, Like just
that's it.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So like that five to seven time frame seems really specific.
Do you think on the super glue she was using
that said that was the durability timeline on the glue.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's actually I'm actually just really curious about the it
in general, that how they would stay on, Like how
long would it really stay on if you just use
super glue. I mean you could really dry, you have
to dry the tooth completely. But I just I'm curious
as to what she was doing. If they were even
(48:00):
lasting a week on people, I highly doubt it. Yeah,
I mean it's just outrageous.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well, she was charged with fraud and practicing dentistry without oleasans,
among other offenses, so we'll see if she she'll probably
get more jail time than the guy that beat out baby.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room guys.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
This past weekend, we had a great YouTube live. We
talked about Emmanuel Harrow like we were talking about today,
but we also talked about the Menendez brothers, So if
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that video again. We also talked about that case of
the mom that was intentionally draining blood from her kid
to make him sick.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
That was That was horrible.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
That was horrible. So yeah, so you could listen to
that past episode and we'll also have one again this Friday.
And this week our high profile death dissection was on
sudden infant death syndrome. So I want you guys to
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(49:15):
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Speaker 2 (49:17):
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sign up. Okay, So a woman had a son, ended
up giving him up for adoption due to financial hardship.
Years later, she ends up meeting this guy, they get married,
they have two kids. This part kind of confused me
because they had to take this DNA test. What they're
saying was part of a legal consultation about their children's future.
(49:39):
But the results of that test said that this woman's
husband was the son that she gave up for adoption
decades before.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
So this case is basically saying that this woman is
the grandmother to her own children.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, so she married her biological son, had two children
with him, do you think they have any issues because
we've written about inbreeding in the past, maybe that's why
they were giving them a DNA test. I don't know. Yeah,
that part just kind of confused me. And now it
says they're separated, but I'm under the assumption that they're
separated because of what the DNA test suggested, because how
(50:18):
could you possibly state married to somebody that you now
know as your son and now other people know too.
I mean they put this information on online though, so
I guess not everybody needed to know what was going on.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
This case is actually a couple years old, but it's
been circulating online in a couple places, so I thought
it would be good to talk about this week. We
did do a high profile dissection on inbreeding a couple
years ago in the Gross Room, and it really goes
through all of the reasons why, especially with Royalty, that
they wanted to have this pure bloodline, and just how
(50:53):
terrible it is to be having children with people so
close to your DNA. So the closest that you can
have is with one of your your parents or your children,
because you share fifty percent of DNA with that person,
and the more closer your DNA is the more likely
(51:17):
of a chance of having a genetic disorder that gets
passed on through families. So the best case scenario is
to marry someone that doesn't have any of your genetic
material at all for the highest chance of not inheriting
a generic genetic disorder. I don't know like it. Obviously,
(51:40):
the question comes up that it's just grosses you out
because most of us sitting here are just thinking about
having family and cousins and just thinking like, oh god,
that's just weird. I just went and cross that line.
But in this case where I mean, we could talk
all about a thirty six year old marrying a twenty
one year old. I don't even understand what that's about.
(52:01):
But regardless, she didn't know it was her.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Kid, So.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Finding out afterwards after you have two kids with someone
is just I mean, it's bizarre. It's nothing anyone else
is ever going to deal with in the history of life, probably,
but like you're gonna get divorced over that. It just
seems it seems like it's kind of it's done and
over with, the worst part's done and over with.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
How are you gonna I'm sure there were.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Other issues, probably had to do with the fact that
she was thirty six.
Speaker 2 (52:31):
And he was twenty one. But in some states you
have to get a blood test before you get married,
and that maybe they need to start putting that practice
back in every state, because it's only in certain ones.
It's really discussing it's.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Not the thing is is that actually in New Jersey,
which is weird because my state is pretty strict with
certain things. But in New Jersey, if a mom and
is someone to get married over eighteen years old, go
for it. Some states it's completely illegal and you could
get arrested for it, but not in New Jersey, go
for it as long as you're over eighteen.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
Maybe that's what's wrong with Prince Andrew because his parents
were cousins.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, that's why he ended up sing well, I was
thinking that like all of them though, right, like.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, I mean you could say that Charles is just
kind of an asshole. I don't really know much about
Princess Anne, do you what. No, I don't really know
about the royals as much as you do, for sure.
I don't really know much about Anne and Edward. But
I mean I know most about Charles because I love
Princess Diana. And we know how that went. And then
(53:37):
Prince Andrew has seemingly been a sex pest for many decades.
So I don't know. I think it's camp. Did you
see today that apparently a Virginia geu Frey is coming
out with a bulk post tert suicide. Oh, like she
already had it in the works.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
I guess it looks like it looks like there's a
book coming out that is from her. So it must
have been in the works or in her writings or
they were able to get stuff together. But we'll talk
about that, like.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Yeah, like we can't even start getting into the Epstein
suff right now. That could be an entire episode in itself,
especially with everything going.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
I just wanted to I just wanted to tell you.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I mean, we'll tell you. I'll read it when it
comes out, trust me, I'm interested to see what she
has to say, So I'll read it and then report back.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
All right, let's wrap up with this this last uh,
this last case of this family that has these multiple pregnancies.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
A mom who is a quadruplet just became a first
time mom to quintuplets. Like, how crazy is this?
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So it's apparently it's so rare that the odds are
one in fifty five to one in fifty seven million
chants of this happening, and and really really as far
as her having the five the quintuplets, and the reason
it is is because now when you hear somebody has
(55:01):
like eight babies, you're just kind of like, whatever this
has been Johnny kas Yeah, You're just kind of like, okay,
them all at one time, Like she had quintuplets naturally,
no IVF drugs. So that's why it's so rare. It
almost seems like a party is like that's not true,
you're lying, you know. But there's a case actually I
(55:23):
wanted to talk about real quick, and this is another
thing we could go on a tangent about, but I
was looking into this and over ninety years ago there
were quintuplets that were naturally created, called the Diwne Quintuplets,
and they have a really crazy story actually in Time
magazine that maybe we could talk about at another time.
(55:45):
But they they were born to this family and then
apparently the government took them away for a while because
they thought that the parents didn't have the smarts, were
the money to take care of them, so they kind
of put them in this nursery, but there were these
like five beautiful little girls, and they like let the
public come and gawk at them. And then this doctor
wrote a book about them, and then he became a millionaire.
(56:08):
Well in today's day, he would be considered a millionaire
from all of the stuff he was doing with them.
And then they finally gave the kids back to the parents,
but they were in like palml of ads and they
were all over Time magazine and they were just doing
all these different ads, and the whole article goes on
this tangent about like how they were kind of the
(56:28):
original kid influencers and how terrible it ended up being
for their lives. And then they were able to interview
them when they were older, and they were giving advice
to other families that had multiple births because they're just
like media loves them to just be like, let your
kids have a normal life and don't do what they
did to us, because they ruined our life.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
So it's so much better to exploit these babies than
to let them live with quote unintelligent parents. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
I was just thinking, like how messed up that is.
I mean, this happened ninety years ago. There was no
IVF drugs or anything to just think that this spontaneously happened.
Is it's just so it's so rare. And so her
mother is dead and they didn't say how if she
was spontaneous as well, which is really interesting, Like I
(57:18):
don't know if her mom took IVF drugs to get
the quads with her.
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Well, aren't children of that are multiples more likely to
have multiple children?
Speaker 1 (57:30):
Like aren't twins more likely to have TRIK I believe
So I'm not. I'd have to look that up. I'm
not one hundred percent sure. But listen, this is another
side note, like looking at this, so this chick in
the pictures only holding three of her five babies, and
she said since she found out she's pregnant, she broke
up with her partner, so she's a single mom now. Well,
(57:51):
so it looks overwhelming with just the three, and I
can't believe that there's two more.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Well, as of when this article was written, only three
of the kids were home because they were born really
early twenty eight and a half weeks, so only three
of them have been sent home from the nick you since,
so two of them are still in the hospital, which
is why she only has the picture with the three
in the house. But I can't even imagine how overwhelming
this would be as a single mother. Hopefully she has
I mean, she has three siblings as we have established,
(58:17):
so hopefully that their family's really close and people are
helping her out, because I can't imagine how chaotic this make.
Speaker 1 (58:23):
It just like just the three of them. It just
stresses me out looking at it, and I'm like, you
don't even have enough hands to hold the three babies, Like,
I just can't imagine that. It's really remarkable, though, to
think of a human being capable of doing this without
any intervention.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
It's very cool. Okay, let's move on to Questions of
the Week. Every Friday at the AP Mother Knows Death
Instagram account, you guys can head over to our story
ask us whatever you want. Also, for our YouTube subscribers,
I've been putting a little prompt up on YouTube so
you could access that to ask us some questions as well,
because we certainly don't want you guys to feel excluded
in any way. First, when you cut open the body
(59:04):
in autopsies, do they bleed like a normal big cut wood?
Speaker 1 (59:08):
No, because they're dead. So when whenever you bleed. When
you're alive human and you get cut, the reason that
it starts gushing out of your body is because your
heart is beating, and every single time your heart contracts,
it is pushing blood through your circulatory system, and when
there is a hole in the circulatory system, it just
(59:30):
goes out of the hole, just like you would see
a leak in a hose or something like that. So
once a person is dead there obviously, when you die,
your blood is still in your circulatory system. So when
you make the incisions, it might leak out when you
cut through a blood vessel, but it just kind of
drips out and it's not being pushed through. So whatever
(59:53):
drips out is just whatever is close to the hole there.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Does that make sense? Yeah, So like when because you guys,
when you're in there, so you're not just like completely
covered in blood when you're just making incisions, because the
way I'm picturing it is like horror movie esque where
you make the incision and it's just like spraying out
all over the place, but cleanly.
Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
No, I think that's a misconception that people have. Like
you have in your body a circulatory system. The heart
is the pump that pushes it through, and then the
veins bring it back to the heart, and then the
heart you know, it goes in the lungs to get oxygen,
goes back in the heart, gets pumped out, and it
just is in a circle. All of your blood is
(01:00:33):
contained within those blood vessels, so and and but they
all go down to the distal parts of every part
of your body to very very small capillaries that are
present at your fingertips. And so if you cut through
a major one when someone's alive that's going to that
(01:00:55):
could risk their life. They could die from that. And
and I'm talking like you talk about when people kill
themselves and they slit their wrists. Okay, that would be
your radial artery. That's that's not even a super major one.
That's pretty it's pretty distal. Like if you really, if
you really want to die or kill someone, like carotid
(01:01:15):
artery up in the neck or or even one in
the arm close anywhere closer to the heart would obviously
bleed more. But when you cut open someone for an autopsy,
so you cut across their chest, really you're only cutting
across like very small blood vessels in the skin because
there's no major arteries that are in the skin right there,
(01:01:36):
and it's really only until you take off the ribs
that you really start seeing more of the major blood vessels,
especially up near the heart, like the subclavian artery and
of course the aordo, which is the biggest artery in
the body. So when you cut open those vessels, and
we have to we have to cut those vessels at
(01:01:57):
some point to remove them from the body, that's when
blood pours out. But really, when you tech, if you
look at an autopsy and you take off the ribs
and you're looking at the organs, there really should not
be that much blood. Besides, the blood vessels that you
cut through that area is sterile. It should just be air,
all right.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Two thoughts unpregnant women drinking an occasional glass of wine
during pregnancy. I say, no, I just don't understand why
it's necessary, you know what I mean, Like, you can't
take like a couple, you can't take a year off
from drinking, you know what I mean. I don't really
drink that much, So like for me, it just would
(01:02:37):
be no problem at all, But for some people it
seems to be quite a challenge. And I've known a
couple of people that were pregnant and drank an occasional
glass of wine, and I'm just like, you can't just
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
It's just like it's a sign of weakness to me obviously,
like like honestly, like I just think it's completely it's
just completely unnecessary. You would you wouldn't never think about
I mean I know that this is not exactly the same,
but like you would never think about putting wine in
a bottle and giving it to a baby, right, It's
(01:03:10):
the same with people who smoke weed, like you, when
you have a baby like that's born with a mother
that smokes weed, they can be positive for that drug
in their system. Like why why can't you just wait?
Like there's it's just a matter of just withholding for
(01:03:32):
just a few months of your life. It's just I
don't think that it's necessary. And we know that it
passes through the child. So yeah, like if you have
a glass of wine, it's not gonna kill your kid.
It's just it's not. But like why, like why aren't
you strong enough to just not have it?
Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I feel like for me, like if they were like
you can't have any coffee at all. That would be
really difficult for me because it's like my one thing
I really enjoy every day. But if they were like
you can't have it, I would I would have to
deal with it. It would suck. But like you have
to just put the health and your baby is a priority,
you know.
Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Yeah, I don't know. I just I really just don't
understand it. I almost feel like if you feel like
you have to, maybe you're just like not ready to
do it yet. And there's lots there's lots of things
that people do through pregnancy, Like sometimes there's medications that
people have to take that might be in a class
that's considered to be dangerous, which is more harm to
the fetus than they like, or there's not really studies
(01:04:32):
that show the direct connection between them, but sometimes for
the health of the mother, it's necessary to take those medications.
But so sometimes you have to do things like that
because your your life, as much as you as much
as you shouldn't say it, your life is priority to
(01:04:54):
an extent because you're the one that's here and living
as far as your health goes. But that's your health
that doesn't have to do with like a recreational winding
down thing. I just don't I just don't see the
point of it. I don't know, Like I know that
there's arguments that people are like it's fine and it's
(01:05:14):
just and it's that, but it's just like like I
don't think I've had a glass of alcohol on a year,
Like yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
We're a completely different breed, Like we're considered freaks because
we don't drink really, you know what I mean. So
like I agree with you one hundred percent, Like I
don't think it's necessary at all, but some people really
just can't do it. And it's like you're saying, it's
not a drug that you need for your health. It's
something that's purely recreational. So if you can't stop doing
(01:05:43):
it for nine months, like you need to really sit
back and evaluate it. That's my opinion on it anyway,
all right, would you ever consider doing a meat and greet?
I live in South Jersey close to Philly, So we
are doing a meat and greet in October. On October eighteenth,
we are going to be part of Dark Side, New Jersey,
and we're going to be doing a live Mother Nos
death show followed by a book signing.
Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Where it's in Trenton, right, Edison. Oh, it's in Edison, Okay,
And it's it's a like an oddities punk rock kind
of flea market thing. Yeah, it's run by the people
that do the punk rock flea market in New Jersey,
but this is all focused on oddities and they also
have other events going on, like I think last year
they had sword swallowers and tattoo and tax dermy classes
(01:06:29):
and all this other eff I'm actually really excited to
go to this because I'm going to bring a ton
of money and just buy a bunch of shit because
I love I love those things. Just going and seeing
all the different crafts people are doing with the taxidermy
and any kind of oddities. They have a lot of
(01:06:49):
antiques that are super cool, so I'm just looking forward
to go shopping. Yeah, I think it's gonna be guys.
Of course, it's all day long.
Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I don't really. Somebody has asked if we had a
time frame when we were going on. I don't. We
didn't get any type of schedule yet, but we will
be there so we'll have more information about that. If
you are subscribed to our newsletter with the Gross Room,
you already know this information, so we had revealed it
a couple of days ago. But yeah, we're excited to
do that at October eighteenth and Edison, New Jersey at
(01:07:19):
the New Jersey Expo Center. It's going to be a
really fun day, guys. Crime Con is next week. I
seriously can't believe it's here already. I'm really excited for it,
and we're going to see you in Denver. Then. If
you have a review for us, please head over to
Apple or Spotify, subscribe to our YouTube channel, and send
us stories to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com. Awesome, see
you guys tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As a reminder,
my training is as a pathologists assistant. I have a
master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed
or treated any dead or alive without the assistance of
a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social
(01:08:08):
media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based
on my experience working in pathology, so they can make
healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember
that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed
in this episode are based on my knowledge of those
subjects at the time of publication. If you are having
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Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
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