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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,
we're going to talk about this week's viral video of
a woman who was stabbed to death on a train.
Luigi Mangionia is back in the news, only this time
he is a model. A family doctor has been arrested
for attempting to groom a child, a rare case of
a one month old baby who was born with twins
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inside of her body, and the European band on jel
Now polish all that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right, let's start off with this viral video of
the stabbing. I can't believe this is all caught on video.
Of course, the news outlets are cutting out the big chunk,
but basically what you see is this woman gets on
the train and she sits in front of this guy
who looks like he's sleeping or not paying attention, and
she's just playing on her phone for a couple of minutes,
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and then all of a sudden, he pulls out a
pocket knife and starts stabbing her in front of all
these other people on the train.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, and no one else even reacts. It's so weird.
He gets up and is walking around with a knife
in his hand with blood dripping everywhere, to the point
where he like brushed up against a guy and it
was like right around the guy's feet. I feel like
the guy saw it, but nobody did anything.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, nobody did anything, and then it just, you know,
I think everybody's just so checked out on their phones
that like they either didn't realize what happened or whatever.
I mean, you didn't realize a woman just got murdered
on the same train car as you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't if that. I just
keep trying to put myself in that same kind of
a situation, and I'm like, if I witnessed that, I
don't know that I wouldn't necessarily do anything either, because
you're looking at a person that's bleeding to death in
front of you, and that guy just has a knife
in his hand still, And when a person has a
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knife in their hand, it's like very hard to like,
what are you going to do if you if you
don't have a gun to shoot them down? Basically, like,
what are you going to do? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And then there's the fear of being trapped in the
train car until it gets to the next stop, because like,
where are you supposed to go? And I know, in
theory you could probably get to the next train car,
but it's not that easy to do, and the train
is moving of course too, and you're panicked.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yes, I feel like I would. I mean I feel
like I would be kind of paralyzed sitting there thinking
like what the hell do I do? Because you're is
it I don't know if it was an underground train
or whatever, but even if it's above ground, like you
can't just jump out of a moving train, and apparently
there were officers in the next train car. The whole
(02:59):
thing is like it's it's so scary, and you know
this happened on August twenty second, Like why it's just
going viral right now. It's just weird that you just
didn't hear anything about this until this weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, I really wonder why I get I don't know.
This is just so disturbing because it was at ten pm.
This girl is wearing her work uniform still, she probably
just got off her shift or she was either on
her way to work. I don't know what the deal was.
I think she worked at a pizza place. And to
think you're just sitting there with your guard down and
somebody behind you just all of a sudden pulls out
a knife and starts stabbing you to death, totally unprompted
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or anything. It's so terrifying and honestly, after the Idaho case,
obviously people get stabbed to death and everything, but after
seeing what went down there with him very quickly killing
four grown up people, it's very scary to think how
quickly that gets.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's easy to do if you know where to do it.
I mean, this was a big guy, and everybody was
saying there's no way that that Brian Coberger killed all
those people, and it was what was it like nine
minutes or something, and you're like, no, this guy just
killed this woman in one minute, not even thirty seconds, right, yeah,
(04:10):
I mean he just attacked her. And just watching it,
I mean, one thing that we all can learn from
watching this video is that it's not a good idea
to have earbuds on like that. Not that I don't
know how to prevent today, it doesn't matter. You just
like you can't be sitting there just like completely in
your own zone on public transportation like that by yourself.
(04:34):
It's just it's just not a good idea personally, Like
I think I see people walking around all the time
outside with earbuds on by themselves, women especially, and it
just I just don't think it's a great idea. I
think that you're just a target for someone to sneak
up behind you. And maybe it would have maybe she
would have heard something going on behind her. The guy
(04:56):
was like talking to himself. That could have just been like, oh,
let me just get up and move because this is
like weird. I don't know if it would have helped.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
But I don't think her wearing them had anything to
do with the outcome of this case. Other people on
the train car for sure, because I think a lot
of people didn't hear like discreaming and everything going down.
But for her, if you watch this video, it happened
so quickly, it wouldn't have mattered. Yeah, if she's just
saying that, I don't, I just don't. In general, I
just don't think it's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think I don't think that there's you know what,
like this case is so terrible because like even even
if there was a cop in the car right, it
still could have it still would have happened. And yes
the cop would have been able to shot shoot the
guy dead right then and there, but like it already happened.
(05:44):
It was so fast and and and the the bigger
issue is just like this guy again, I feel like
every single week on this show, we're talking about this
has this like super long history of crime and attached
with mental illness. And what really sucks is that his parents,
(06:05):
his mom and family has already come out and said, like,
we tried to do everything, and they were like, you
can't admit him to the hospital because he's not a minor.
And she, the mom, just like couldn't couldn't get him help.
And imagine how she feels that she tried really hard
to get him help and she couldn't get him help.
But now her son did this to an innocent person.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Well, yeah, I'm sure that feels horrific, you know, to
even be dealing with. I want to say first, like,
it's we don't often see when families have children with
severe mental issues like this that they're even addressing it
head on, right so with extra Yeah exactly, that's that's
like the mom's not ignoring it. She was like, yeah,
I guess the guy had attacked a sister at some point,
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and the sister dropped charges because she was like, I
know that he's he's having he was having delusions and hallucinations.
He actually told police officers that there were like foreign
objects implanted in his body and that they needed to
come out and stuff like. He was clearly having severe
mental health issues. And the fact that they just like
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let this guy just be on the street is.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's just not fair. It's not fair to it's not
fair to him, and it's not fair. It's definitely not
fair to society that has to live with people that
are that unstable.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No, for sure. I mean he's been in and out
of jail for years. They were saying in this article
he had fourteen cases, not including this one, linked to
his name, going back to twenty eleven, so for at
least over a decade he's been has this extensive criminal history.
Why is somebody like this on the loose? I don't
understand it. And it's not like he was a non
violent offender. They were saying. He had convictions for armed robbery, felony, larceny,
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and breaking and entering. This is not a person that
should just be walking amongst everybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, we were saying the
same thing about Jay Carrow and just almost killing his
newborn daughter and being allowed out and then doing it again.
And I'm kind of all for really judges, especially like
letting certain people out when they commit a secondary crime
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and getting some kind of punishment for it, because really,
maybe that would make them think twice about the risks
to the population some of these people are.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, I just feel like we're seeing it more and
more often lately. So is that actually going to go
in effect where there are punishments for the lawyers and
the judges involved in defending these people that are harmful
to society, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I just like when you hear part of the police
records stating that he was telling them that he had
things implanted in his body that needed to get removed
and all this stuff. That guy didn't need to be
in prison, Like what was prison going to he was
delusional to be in a mental health hospital? Well exactly,
(09:02):
you know what I mean, Like, I understand that he
committed a crime and everything, but he needed to get
like treated before even going into print. Like what's prison
going to do for a person like that? And I
understand what you're saying about the headphones, and I agree
with you to an extent. I just think in this
particular case, it wasn't saving her life whether she had
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him on or not, because he attacked her from behind.
Even if he was talking to himself. It was a
pack train, she might have not thought anything of it
or like I need to move. There was other people
around him too. He seemed to be sleeping when she
initially sat down, so so freaking scary. Like you just
watch it and you're just like, I don't know, like
what do you even how do you even prevent that?
(09:46):
Like what's the thing to do now? It's just like
it's scary as hell. I feel like that happened recently too,
within the past couple of years, that someone went on
a train and killed at least one, maybe a few
people that were just sleeping on the train, like no
interaction with them whatsoever. Well, that woman that was set
on fire right before, Oh yeah, that too, God, that
(10:08):
was terrible. I don't know, it's just so scary, I
think for everybody else on the train, Like and what
you're saying in general, is like I think you could
have you know, there's two AirPods. I think maybe you
could have one in so you could listen to something
and have one out so you could hear what's going on.
A lot of people anymore are very naive about their
(10:29):
surroundings and then things like this happen and they don't
realize there's a woman that just got murdered on their
same train car, and therefore they're not, you know, paying
attention to their surroundings. What if that guy came for
them next, because they're just It's the same thing with
the phone though, too, Like especially with kids. It's like
you see these kids walking around school and stuff and
they're just like looking down at their phone. Every single
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time a child walks up and down my street, I
just see them looking at their phone, and I'm like,
it could be It doesn't even have to be like
a homicide situation. Let's say there's a car driving erradically
up the street that's going to go onto the sidewalk,
Like your instincts are just not going to work the
same when you're engaged in something else like that. And
(11:13):
it's just like it's unfortunate because when that's the best
place to have earpop air buds in. Like we just
were on the plane for hours. It's you're just sitting
there kind of stuck and going somewhere. So and maybe
maybe that's part of the solution, is that there just
needs to be a little bit more security in those situations.
(11:34):
And I don't mean having a cop on the car,
but more like I think Gabe said when he went
to Europe for when he was in school studying the
terrorism stuff, I thought he said that there was that
they were checking it trains like metal detectors and things
like that, because there's.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
No way they could do it with the way people
commute in major cities. It would hold everybody up.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, I I know.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Just but unless they want to have like those AI
scanners they have at the Phillies game and then somebody's
standing close by so if something pops off, then.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, And that's the thing, because I guess that's why
I think of that, because I'm like, I know, the
technology exists, like you're saying, like if you just had
exactly the same exact thing at the Phillies game, if
you just had people walking through this thing and someone
was monitoring it, and pulling over certain people it. I mean,
I never go to the Phillies game and thank god,
(12:28):
we have to wait in this huge long line, Like
it goes really fast because the security system is able
to pick it up.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know, but you're also going to a game. You're
not trying to like get to work on a system
that like might suck at being on time or it
might be early. You just don't know, like it would
jam things up too much. But I think they could
figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Even so though, but if you think about this, like
the person that set someone on fire, like you're not
going to pull over someone that has a lighter their
pocket and like a water bottle that might be filled
with gasoline, right, Like, it's just when people want to
do bad shit, they find ways around it with other
bad shit that doesn't appear to be.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, but in this case, this guy had a knife,
so yeah, yeah, you could have stopped that. But then
you have to think about I'm sure thousands of people
go on public transportation with knives and never do anything bad.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh yeah, you know, millions millions of people. I mean,
if you think I don't even know what the numbers
are for the New York City train, for example. But
there's millions of people using that every year, and there's
relatively we hear about all of the things happening on
the subway, but statistically it's probably very low compared to
the amount of people that are on it every day.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay, quite the shock when people were scrolling through Sheian
last week and saw that Luigi Manchio and he was
modeling some of their clothing.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It's unbelievable. You know what this reminds me of what
there was a couple years ago. There was on Amazon
there was a Father's Day blanket that was for sale,
and it was a blanket with a heart in the
middle that said Happy Father's Day, with blank spaces where
you could add pictures of your your husband, or your
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dad to give it to him for Father's Day. And
the example they showed had a picture of Chris Watts
in on the blanket.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I remember when you sent this to me and I
could not believe it, and sure enough it was there.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's there. So Chris Watts, if you remember, killed his
wife and his children in a brutal way by putting
his children in oil. What were they were oil barrels?
They were squeezed into these little small oil barrels where
they were into these little tiny holes they were squeezed into,
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and then their dead little bodies were left in the
oil to decompose and be found like that. So him
and his wife and his two kids were in a
photograph on a blanket that they were selling on Amazon
for Father's Day as the example of the ultimate father,
Like how do these things slip through the Let me
tell you, I didn't even tell you this actually, So
(15:21):
last week Lubert says to me, can you order me
Hawaiian stickers for my notepad for school? Right? So I
get one of these like sixty packs of stickers off
of Amazon that's titled Whola Girl four Girls sixty vinyl
proof or like waterproof stickers. Right. So I get it
(15:43):
and I go through the stickers and it's like because
I was putting them all like fancy on her notebook,
and it's like a hibiscus and a coconut and like
little girls on surfboards. And then there's one and you
won't believe what it says. It says, I heart DILFS
stands for Dad. I like to fuck, it's serious. So
(16:03):
I look at it and I'm like, this does this
say this? Because it's written in cursive and there's like
coconuts and stuff around it, and I'm looking and I'm looking,
and I'm like, I must just not be reading this, right,
I don't know. So I go up to Gabe and
I'm like, what does this say? I don't ask, I
don't tell him what I think it says. I said,
what does this say? And he says it says iHeart dilfs.
(16:26):
So he looks at me and he's like, what does
that mean? And I said it means dad, I like
to fuck, and he's like, oh, like milf and I said, yeah,
it's like milf, except it's diff it's like a thing.
So I was actually going to take a picture of
it and make a video for Instagram, but then when
I came back downstairs, it was gone. And he's like,
(16:47):
I threw that out. I don't want them putting that
on their notebook by accident, and I'm just like, no, dude.
So then I go on the reviews for it because
I'm like, maybe I just got one in my package,
and sure enough, like most of the people were just
like the stickers are really cute, but there's this like
random one that says iHeart delfs, like it wasn't just
me so, and I'm like, this is so fucked up
(17:09):
like that, because like if I gave them to Lucia
and just said here, put these on on your notebook,
because typically she would take all sixty and put them
on the notebook. And I'm like, what is happening right now?
Like that didn't accidentally slip through the cracks? Like why
would there even be a sticker that says that when
it's for little children?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Can you imagine if she went to school and you
didn't see.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I'm like, this isn't what I mean, But how weird
is that? Like so so you want like a little
girl that's ten years old to have that written on
her notebook like some like talk about child grooming and
shit like that. That's fucked up. Well that's what I
was just gonna say.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, this is like when Balenciaga did that photo show. Yeah,
they had those papers scattered on the ground that referenced
some pedophilia case. Yeah, and they were like, oh, that
was an act accident, and You're like, no, that actually
wasn't an accident. So I mean it's a little bit different,
but still you're just questioning. So the best is is
that they contacted Sheen, and Sheen was just like, oh,
(18:13):
that was from a third party, and we've since taken
it down and we have the most vigorous standards when
it comes to us, you have the most vigorous standards.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And I was like, no, you don't, because otherwise, like
and somebody did it. And then a part of me
is just like, did they just do this for like clickbait?
Because all they did was apologize and take it down,
but like, ultimately nobody's doing anything about it.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, I love too that they're like, we don't know
if the photos AI generated, Like, well, what is it?
He either modeled for it before he got arrested, as
like a stock image model, which I guess is possible.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, I say that too. From Luigi's perspective, I would
be like, not that I'm trying to stand up for
the dude, but I would just be like, if you're
fucking making money off of my image on your web
site that makes billions of dollars, then you better give
me the money for it, because you're using my image
to sell right.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, I'm actually curious if he's going to file a
lawsuit against them for that, that'll.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Be the new news. I mean, like, I think he's
in prison for murder. He shouldn't have any rights. But
at the same time, you're just like, these companies shouldn't
be using anybody's picture to make money. Like, if that's
not a real model that they paid for, then that's
not like a random AI image that's coming up, right.
(19:35):
I love TMZ being like it appeared to look like
Luigi Manngiuni.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I'm like, who else looks like that? That's why he
got arrested so quickly. Who else has eyebrows like that?
Come on, it was ridiculous. Speaking of grooming, a family
doctor has been arrested after allegedly soliciting an undercover cop
who was posing as a mother to have sex with
her five.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Year old daughter.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah great, Yeah really, family doctor, that's great. Access to
children alone in exam rooms, really really great to hear.
It's also it's also interesting too, because he had, like
his digital footprint showed that he had a bunch of
weird searches about related to contraception, full term abortions, and
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intentional drug and alcohol used to cause people to have
birth defects. Yeah, like what is that about?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't know, but it's so alarming. And you know,
the the hospital or that he was practicing in and
like put out a statement saying that he was immediately
fired and all, and like, obviously this is the problem
because like if he's never been convicted of anything, that
the hospital hires the guy, they do child background check.
Like I when I rotated at Children's Hospital when I
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was in PA school, I had to get like a
criminal background check. Funny story actually, because my program director
sat a stamn one day and she was like, you
guys are gonna have to get a criminal background check
for to go to Children's Hospital. And she's like, so
before we do it, does anyone have anything they want
to tell me before they run it? And she looked
(21:12):
at me, Nicole, do you have anything you want to
tell me? And I was like, I never been arrested. Meanwhile,
all the wholesome girls in my class, they like had
the public drunkenness in college or some shit like that.
I don't know. It was hilarious though, because we were
laughing so hard because because like my program director was okay,
(21:32):
like I was being biased if I had to guess
anyone in this room that had a criminal record, I
would think it would have been you. Oh my god,
I was like thanks, Yeah, it was pretty funny. But anyway,
like they just do that to see if you were
arrested or there's anything like that. Like they don't do
deep searches like this. They would never find this out.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, they would never find this out. But I mean,
obviously this guy is gonna lose his license at this
point and never get hired anywhere again.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean good, he should actually get his balls
cut off. I mean, like, f this guy. I hate
this guy.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, also, the police said he said stomach churning messages
that were too explicit to share. Think about that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, well, there's like there's like these whole other levels
of pedophiles. Like first it's like you have the guy,
the guy that's on roadblox that's just trying to recruit
a kid, and then the ones that are trying to
recruit like a mother to give her child up for
that is like, I don't know why those those ones
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just are even worse to me. I'm I mean, I
guess there's just they're all bad.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I don't wonder if we did it on here or
YouTube live. But remember a couple of weeks ago, we
just had that story about her mom who was trying
to sell off her kid. Yeah, I mean there are
people that do it, No, there there are it.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I just think that that's the most like when you
hear that, like as a mother, I'm just like, Oh,
nobody's ever nobody would ever do that. And I'm like, no, wait,
people like we'll talk to a stranger online and sell
their child to an adult male to have sex with
the Like oh yeah, I just can't even wrap my
brain around it. It's just so it's just so disturbing.
(23:13):
And also like, didn't any of these guys ever watch
To Catch a Predator? Like do you think you actually
think you're talking to a real person.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I just think maybe the obsession just blocks out any
mental clarity, you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah,
you're right, like you just have such an infatuation, You're
so obsessed with it that you just are truly in
denial about getting caught. Even though when did to Catch
a Predator come about twenty years ago and they were
on top of this shit with like aim chat rooms. Yeah,
(23:46):
and now we have even better technology. How do you
think you're possibly getting away with this?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't know, And and like I always I
really would love to talk to somebody because I know, like,
well Schlet might do that because I'm not one hundred
percent I'm sure how he works it, but like I know,
Chris Hansen is the host of the show, but I
would like to talk to like a police officer that
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that does that for a living and how they have
to play along with it and how just you know,
like imagine seeing like having correspondence with someone that's writing
disgusting things that they want to do with a child
and having to like write back and act like you're interested. Well,
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I think it's really really interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think these undercover stings get criticized too, because they try,
like people try to say they're like leading a person
on and it's like entrapment, right. But I'm sorry, but
if somebody was trying to like prompt me to speak
like that about a child, I wouldn't do it back
because I'm not a pedophile, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, people,
they're catching people that are going to act on it eventually,
(24:54):
because you can't trick somebody into thinking that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, exactly, like exactly, they're if those sick thoughts in
your head, Like there's no I mean, it's the same
theory as like a cop hiding in the woods and
trying to catch somebody that is driving really fast past them.
It's like they're not pulling them over because they saw
them driving fast. They're pulling them over because they kind
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of they caught them when they thought the police weren't
looking kind of thing. Well, it's the same kind of theory,
but like you know, I mean, like I don't have
a problem with it. I wish there were like thousands
more people doing this and trying to catch all of them.
It's just so it's so disturbing.
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talk about this rare fetus in fetu case. First, can
you go over what that is in general and then
what makes this case so special?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So, fetus in FI two is also a condition called
a parasitic twin. So sometimes during development, the eggs, can
you know, they split or they don't split in the
correct way, and this is how you could end up
with conjoined twins. And things like that. But in this
rare case of fetus in fetu there are usually there
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would be an egg that splits and one of them
gets enveloped by the other one. So as the bigger
fetus or the healthy fetus is growing, there's this other
one that's kind of inside of their body that is
growing at the same time. So typically when these children
are born, they present with some kind of a mass
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that looks like a tumor almost, and then when they
do imaging they see actual fetal parts, so it's not
it's not a it's not an actual twin per se,
because that twin cannot live without being like a parasite.
That's why it's called a parasitic twin. And oftentimes they
look very disorganized, like they'll have an arm and a leg,
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but they'll have some hair and just like random body
parts that are attached but also are taking from the
blood supply of the healthy twin, So that that's a
rare condition in itself. And then this one is even
more rare because there's two twins inside of one body,
two parasitic twins. So they said that there's like less
(28:50):
than forty cases of this reported ever, so it's really
really cool.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
So essentially, if the eggs had split normally, they would
have been triplets. What I'm understanding, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
So it would have been it would have been a
triplet pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Okay. So what I wanted to ask though, is did
they normally catch this this early on? Because wasn't this
baby only a month old? I feel like most of
the cases we've covered before have been in older children
or sometimes adults.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, like I said, it sometimes sometimes it's very obvious,
other like other times, like I said, like it could
present as some kind of a tumor. In this case,
this baby wasn't eating well and was very irritable, and
when they did the work up, that's when they did
imaging and they were able to see that there was
(29:38):
a problem and that there were these two partial fetus
is growing within this baby's I've demen like it's it's outrageous.
So they did surgery to remove it, and like that'll
be the end of it. I mean, just the biggest
risk in this situation is just doing surgery on a
baby of that size. But ultimately, like those other partial
(30:01):
babies are live, so they are sucking off of the
healthy ones. So it will it can make the healthy
twin anemic or take nutrients away, so they have to
they have to get rid of it. But it's like
they can't separate it and have those twins live as
(30:22):
as humans because they're just kind of like a haphazard
like arrangement of a human. They're not like a full human.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Is this something they could only detect after the baby's
been born or would they be able to figure this
out in utero? They could probably figure it out in
utero for sure, but I guess there's probably nothing they
could do.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Really a lot like no, there's no I mean, there's
nothing that they can do in utero possibly, Like I
don't think they would attempt to do any kind of
like like uterine surgery during pregnancy with this case like this,
I but oftentimes when we hear about it, it's like
it's in other countries where they're not getting pre needle
(31:04):
care and things like that, So same is in this case. Right,
It's just so I'm not exactly sure what they would
do as far as identifying it. I mean, they might
identify it on imaging and monitor it and then as
soon as the baby's born, like they would have to
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Okay, As of September first, gel nail polish containing a
shatin ingredient has been banned throughout Europe.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Because I get gel Mann here's all the time, and
now I'm kind of freaking out. So I think that
I think that it was banned because in studies in animals,
it shows that it could cause infertility. This particular chemical
that is responsible for hardening the gel nail polish underneath.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Of the UV light. But the studies that have been
done have been on like higher volumes of this chemical
with rats, and they're saying, like anyone that was interviewed
about it here are saying that that particular chemical is
not in a very small amount, isn't dangerous, and there's
(32:14):
really been no human studies linked to it causing infertility,
and it's in males, not females and males. So furthermore,
some of the scientists that were interviewed said that once
that chemical is cured, then it's no longer considered toxic
(32:34):
to a human. So really the only exposure that you
would ever have with it would be if it got
on the sides of your skin or something during that
minute that it doesn't while it's wet and it's not curing, Okay,
So I mean I think that we always have to
take it seriously when certain things are being banned, because
(32:59):
oftentimes they end up being an issue. Like I don't
know if you recall, like the red dye forty has
been banned in Europe for a long time and now
we're finally banning it and getting along with that because
of all the problems that we've known that it's causing.
There's a lot of things that are banned in cosmetics
in Europe that aren't banned here, so they're probably more
(33:22):
forward in like they're thinking as far as not having things,
and there's other chemicals they could use. So for them
to ban it, I don't think it's that big of
a deal because they could just replace it with something else,
and they're just trying to encourage companies to make safer products.
I don't think that there's I don't have a problem
(33:43):
with that, And just because there's not studies done on
humans doesn't mean that it doesn't have any kind of effect.
There's there's definitely other things to take into consideration when
getting a manicure or your nail's done. A lot of
dermatologists will say that the gel nails are causing people
to have breakouts and rashes on their face and different
(34:06):
kinds of azimas and things like that, and also just
there's exposures with infections at places like that, especially if
they're not doing the proper precautions. I mean, that's why
you have to be licensed to do it, because you
can spread viral diseases back and forth between each other
warts and things like that. And then of course the
(34:28):
UV light is dangerous. It's like a tanning booth, and
you're honestly supposed to put like sunscreen on your hands
before you get your nails done.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I don't understand, Like, if they're already putting lotion and
everything on your hands during the manicure, why can't they
just put sunscrew they should?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That would be like I mean, maybe it's just the
thing someone could carry in their purse and bring with
them when they get their nails done. Because even though
you're only under there for one or two minutes at
a time, you're doing that twice a month for years
of your life. Listen, like they're using toxic chemicals on you.
There used to be a time where now polished. Before
(35:06):
we had this gel nail polish always had formaldehyde in it,
and then they were like, oh, that's probably not good
to put you know, it's a carcinogen, so we need
to take that out and now polish and as we learn,
so all of the chemists that have been interviewed for
this particular story don't think it's that big of a deal,
but we could see it be a bigger deal in
the future. And also it's saying infertility in males. I
(35:30):
don't know how many men are going and getting gel manicures.
I mean, what there are, but it's definitely not anywhere
near as many as women are. So I'm not.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Thinking about men getting it. I'm thinking about the men
putting it on well, cause a lot of guys work
in nail salons.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, And I guess the point is, though, is that
at least in this article, they were saying that you
would have to have contact with the skin, it wouldn't
just be from the fumes of it. So I mean,
in theory, you shouldn't really be getting it on your
skin that much if you're you know.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, if buying it, well, that's not true. Because think
about if they paint over by accident and then they
usually take their finger if they're not wearing gloves.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, they do. No, they do, I know, And it's
I just don't. I don't really, I don't really know.
Like it's the thing is is that even though a
rat is a mammal, they have different pathways and different
they just have different anatomy physiology than a human does.
So until their studies done in actual humans, that it's
(36:37):
causing a problem. I think that it's a little bit
hard to say. This happened with like Sweet and Low
back in the day that that was like a big thing,
like it caused cancer and lab rats and things like that,
and it's still on the market, right, Like yeah, so
you just have to really like things have to be
(36:58):
I think it's good that it pops up in the
animal studies and then you could be like, Okay, this
is something we need to look into, so now we
need to test it in humans. But like as of
right now that that doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
So yeah, I mean, hopefully it just like doesn't become
this greater thing. But I think the United States could
maybe take tips from other countries and actually do the
research because as we see with the red dye and
everything like that, there are problematic ingredients or chemicals and
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Stuff we use, and like the nail thing is a
huge problem because so especially for women of childbearing age,
if you're talking about fertility issues, that's like something that
we should know. I just think in general, we're having
such a bad fertility problem in this country, and we
(37:50):
need to, like, instead of making pregnancy robots and like
these weird things, like, maybe take the money and research
what's going on. I think it's obvious we have a
lot of of you know, chemicals and our clothing and
our foods and the products we're using every day. But
I'd like to see people actually putting energy into figuring
that out. I really wonder what the I mean, like,
(38:13):
I wonder what the true the truth is behind the
fertility situation, because there's a lot of factors to consider,
and one being like back in the day, it wasn't
talked about as much, right, So that's so that's a
whole thing. There's plenty of women that just like never
(38:33):
grew up to have children because they couldn't and it
just was like they might not have been a statistic
back then, and also just I do think a lot
of it is just because what do they say now,
like if you can't have a baby in one year,
you should start the fertility treatment.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, it depends on your age. I think if you're
under thirty five, they want you to wait a year,
and then if you're over thirty five it's six.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah. Like that's so if you talk to someone like
like momm for example, who's been open that she had
troubles in the first couple of years of marriage, Like
if she was if her and pop Up were trying
to have a baby now in twenty twenty five, she
would have already been through, like in the couple years
it took her to get pregnant, she would have been
(39:23):
through fertility treatments and everything and and IVF already, like
because it took her well not solid three years, not
necessarily IVF, because they would have tested her and seen
what the problem was and then it might have she
just might have needed yeah or something, yeah, whatever, but
like she would have had fertility treatment and been considered
(39:43):
to have a fertility problem, and she just she just
waited because she had to wait. There was no intervention
at the time, and it took her three or four
years to get pregnant, and then she she had three kids,
so that they just wouldn't let you go that long
kind of you know back then.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Well yeah, but yeah, the science was I think what
was the first IVF baby born in nineteen seventy nine.
That was the same year you were born. So yeah,
that was revolutionary science back then. It wasn't in it
everyday practice like it is today.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
So and then you have to take into consideration too
that if a woman's infertile then and it's getting IVF now,
you have a whole generations of people that are trying
to have babies now that are IVF babies themselves. And
maybe there's a genetic component of that as well. Yeah,
(40:41):
so I mean that's another thing to consider. So, I mean, obviously,
and the foods are just I just think it's a
combination of a lot of different things. It's hard to
pinpoint it on like one thing, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, all right, before we wrap up, I just want
to say happy third wedding anniversary to my husband. I
love you very much. It's been a day three years,
even though we've been together for almost ten but it's
literally not got.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
For him a birthday present.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Its last week. Well I haven't seen him. I could
get away with it for a couple of days. You can,
and he doesn't listen to this. I'm sure somebody will
rat us out, but I don't know. You know, he's
easy and you probably don't have to get him anything
at all. He doesn't, you know, now, I know, I
just like to get he's He's easy to buy for it.
That's why I like buying him presents because I don't
have to think that much. But I could get him
(41:26):
something cool. I know. His birthday was on Saturday when
we were in Denver, and I was like, he was
at the cabin, which doesn't have really good service. So
I just felt so guilty because I'm like, I feel
like I need to talk to him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's his birthday.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And you were like, he probably doesn't care at all.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Guys. He's not like sitting in the corner crying over you.
He was with his guy friends like he was fine.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
He was. I told Joseph Scott Morgan was like, Oh,
where's your husband. I was like, he's probably having the
best birthday ever because I'm not nagging him. Okay, guys,
on October third, we are going to be at Cheryl
McCollum's Wildlife CSI at Lake Tobias Wildlife Park. It is
I think about an hour and a half outside of Philly,
(42:07):
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on October eighteenth, we are going to be doing a
live Mother nos Death episode at Darkside, New Jersey in Edison.
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Hi. Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode,
we're going to talk about this week's viral video of
a woman who was stabbed to death on a train.
Luigi Mangionia is back in the news, only this time
he is a model. A family doctor has been arrested
for attempting to groom a child, a rare case of
a one month old baby who was born with twins
(00:42):
inside of her body, and the European band on jel
Now polish all that and more on today's episode.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
All right, let's start off with this viral video of
the stabbing. I can't believe this is all caught on video.
Of course, the news outlets are cutting out the big chunk,
but basically what you see is this woman gets on
the train and she sits in front of this guy
who looks like he's sleeping or not paying attention, and
she's just playing on her phone for a couple of minutes,
(01:11):
and then all of a sudden, he pulls out a
pocket knife and starts stabbing her in front of all
these other people on the train.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, and no one else even reacts. It's so weird.
He gets up and is walking around with a knife
in his hand with blood dripping everywhere, to the point
where he like brushed up against a guy and it
was like right around the guy's feet. I feel like
the guy saw it, but nobody did anything.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, nobody did anything, and then it just, you know,
I think everybody's just so checked out on their phones
that like they either didn't realize what happened or whatever.
I mean, you didn't realize a woman just got murdered
on the same train car as you.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I don't if that. I just
keep trying to put myself in that same kind of
a situation, and I'm like, if I witnessed that, I
don't know that I wouldn't necessarily do anything either, because
you're looking at a person that's bleeding to death in
front of you, and that guy just has a knife
in his hand still, And when a person has a
(02:15):
knife in their hand, it's like very hard to like,
what are you going to do if you if you
don't have a gun to shoot them down? Basically, like,
what are you going to do? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And then there's the fear of being trapped in the
train car until it gets to the next stop, because like,
where are you supposed to go? And I know, in
theory you could probably get to the next train car,
but it's not that easy to do, and the train
is moving of course too, and you're panicked.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yes, I feel like I would. I mean I feel
like I would be kind of paralyzed sitting there thinking
like what the hell do I do? Because you're is
it I don't know if it was an underground train
or whatever, but even if it's above ground, like you
can't just jump out of a moving train, and apparently
there were officers in the next train car. The whole
(02:59):
thing is like it's it's so scary, and you know
this happened on August twenty second, Like why it's just
going viral right now. It's just weird that you just
didn't hear anything about this until this weekend.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, I really wonder why I get I don't know.
This is just so disturbing because it was at ten pm.
This girl is wearing her work uniform still, she probably
just got off her shift or she was either on
her way to work. I don't know what the deal was.
I think she worked at a pizza place. And to
think you're just sitting there with your guard down and
somebody behind you just all of a sudden pulls out
a knife and starts stabbing you to death, totally unprompted
(03:34):
or anything. It's so terrifying and honestly, after the Idaho case,
obviously people get stabbed to death and everything, but after
seeing what went down there with him very quickly killing
four grown up people, it's very scary to think how
quickly that gets.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It's easy to do if you know where to do it.
I mean, this was a big guy, and everybody was
saying there's no way that that Brian Coberger killed all
those people, and it was what was it like nine
minutes or something, and you're like, no, this guy just
killed this woman in one minute, not even thirty seconds, right, yeah,
(04:10):
I mean he just attacked her. And just watching it,
I mean, one thing that we all can learn from
watching this video is that it's not a good idea
to have earbuds on like that. Not that I don't
know how to prevent today, it doesn't matter. You just
like you can't be sitting there just like completely in
your own zone on public transportation like that by yourself.
(04:34):
It's just it's just not a good idea personally, Like
I think I see people walking around all the time
outside with earbuds on by themselves, women especially, and it
just I just don't think it's a great idea. I
think that you're just a target for someone to sneak
up behind you. And maybe it would have maybe she
would have heard something going on behind her. The guy
(04:56):
was like talking to himself. That could have just been like, oh,
let me just get up and move because this is
like weird. I don't know if it would have helped.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
But I don't think her wearing them had anything to
do with the outcome of this case. Other people on
the train car for sure, because I think a lot
of people didn't hear like discreaming and everything going down.
But for her, if you watch this video, it happened
so quickly, it wouldn't have mattered. Yeah, if she's just
saying that, I don't, I just don't. In general, I
just don't think it's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I think I don't think that there's you know what,
like this case is so terrible because like even even
if there was a cop in the car right, it
still could have it still would have happened. And yes
the cop would have been able to shot shoot the
guy dead right then and there, but like it already happened.
(05:44):
It was so fast and and and the the bigger
issue is just like this guy again, I feel like
every single week on this show, we're talking about this
has this like super long history of crime and attached
with mental illness. And what really sucks is that his parents,
(06:05):
his mom and family has already come out and said, like,
we tried to do everything, and they were like, you
can't admit him to the hospital because he's not a minor.
And she, the mom, just like couldn't couldn't get him help.
And imagine how she feels that she tried really hard
to get him help and she couldn't get him help.
But now her son did this to an innocent person.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Well, yeah, I'm sure that feels horrific, you know, to
even be dealing with. I want to say first, like,
it's we don't often see when families have children with
severe mental issues like this that they're even addressing it
head on, right so with extra Yeah exactly, that's that's
like the mom's not ignoring it. She was like, yeah,
I guess the guy had attacked a sister at some point,
(06:49):
and the sister dropped charges because she was like, I
know that he's he's having he was having delusions and hallucinations.
He actually told police officers that there were like foreign
objects implanted in his body and that they needed to
come out and stuff like. He was clearly having severe
mental health issues. And the fact that they just like
(07:11):
let this guy just be on the street is.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's just not fair. It's not fair to it's not
fair to him, and it's not fair. It's definitely not
fair to society that has to live with people that
are that unstable.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No, for sure. I mean he's been in and out
of jail for years. They were saying in this article
he had fourteen cases, not including this one, linked to
his name, going back to twenty eleven, so for at
least over a decade he's been has this extensive criminal history.
Why is somebody like this on the loose? I don't
understand it. And it's not like he was a non
violent offender. They were saying. He had convictions for armed robbery, felony, larceny,
(07:51):
and breaking and entering. This is not a person that
should just be walking amongst everybody else.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, we were saying the
same thing about Jay Carrow and just almost killing his
newborn daughter and being allowed out and then doing it again.
And I'm kind of all for really judges, especially like
letting certain people out when they commit a secondary crime
(08:17):
and getting some kind of punishment for it, because really,
maybe that would make them think twice about the risks
to the population some of these people are.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, I just feel like we're seeing it more and
more often lately. So is that actually going to go
in effect where there are punishments for the lawyers and
the judges involved in defending these people that are harmful
to society, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I just like when you hear part of the police
records stating that he was telling them that he had
things implanted in his body that needed to get removed
and all this stuff. That guy didn't need to be
in prison, Like what was prison going to he was
delusional to be in a mental health hospital? Well exactly,
(09:02):
you know what I mean, Like, I understand that he
committed a crime and everything, but he needed to get
like treated before even going into print. Like what's prison
going to do for a person like that? And I
understand what you're saying about the headphones, and I agree
with you to an extent. I just think in this
particular case, it wasn't saving her life whether she had
(09:23):
him on or not, because he attacked her from behind.
Even if he was talking to himself. It was a
pack train, she might have not thought anything of it
or like I need to move. There was other people
around him too. He seemed to be sleeping when she
initially sat down, so so freaking scary. Like you just
watch it and you're just like, I don't know, like
what do you even how do you even prevent that?
(09:46):
Like what's the thing to do now? It's just like
it's scary as hell. I feel like that happened recently too,
within the past couple of years, that someone went on
a train and killed at least one, maybe a few
people that were just sleeping on the train, like no
interaction with them whatsoever. Well, that woman that was set
on fire right before, Oh yeah, that too, God, that
(10:08):
was terrible. I don't know, it's just so scary, I
think for everybody else on the train, Like and what
you're saying in general, is like I think you could
have you know, there's two AirPods. I think maybe you
could have one in so you could listen to something
and have one out so you could hear what's going on.
A lot of people anymore are very naive about their
(10:29):
surroundings and then things like this happen and they don't
realize there's a woman that just got murdered on their
same train car, and therefore they're not, you know, paying
attention to their surroundings. What if that guy came for
them next, because they're just It's the same thing with
the phone though, too, Like especially with kids. It's like
you see these kids walking around school and stuff and
they're just like looking down at their phone. Every single
(10:49):
time a child walks up and down my street, I
just see them looking at their phone, and I'm like,
it could be It doesn't even have to be like
a homicide situation. Let's say there's a car driving erradically
up the street that's going to go onto the sidewalk,
Like your instincts are just not going to work the
same when you're engaged in something else like that. And
(11:13):
it's just like it's unfortunate because when that's the best
place to have earpop air buds in. Like we just
were on the plane for hours. It's you're just sitting
there kind of stuck and going somewhere. So and maybe
maybe that's part of the solution, is that there just
needs to be a little bit more security in those situations.
(11:34):
And I don't mean having a cop on the car,
but more like I think Gabe said when he went
to Europe for when he was in school studying the
terrorism stuff, I thought he said that there was that
they were checking it trains like metal detectors and things
like that, because there's.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
No way they could do it with the way people
commute in major cities. It would hold everybody up.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Yeah, I I know.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Just but unless they want to have like those AI
scanners they have at the Phillies game and then somebody's
standing close by so if something pops off, then.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, And that's the thing, because I guess that's why
I think of that, because I'm like, I know, the
technology exists, like you're saying, like if you just had
exactly the same exact thing at the Phillies game, if
you just had people walking through this thing and someone
was monitoring it, and pulling over certain people it. I mean,
I never go to the Phillies game and thank god,
(12:28):
we have to wait in this huge long line, Like
it goes really fast because the security system is able
to pick it up.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know, but you're also going to a game. You're
not trying to like get to work on a system
that like might suck at being on time or it
might be early. You just don't know, like it would
jam things up too much. But I think they could
figure out a way to do it.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Even so though, but if you think about this, like
the person that set someone on fire, like you're not
going to pull over someone that has a lighter their
pocket and like a water bottle that might be filled
with gasoline, right, Like, it's just when people want to
do bad shit, they find ways around it with other
bad shit that doesn't appear to be.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, but in this case, this guy had a knife,
so yeah, yeah, you could have stopped that. But then
you have to think about I'm sure thousands of people
go on public transportation with knives and never do anything bad.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh yeah, you know, millions millions of people. I mean,
if you think I don't even know what the numbers
are for the New York City train, for example. But
there's millions of people using that every year, and there's
relatively we hear about all of the things happening on
the subway, but statistically it's probably very low compared to
the amount of people that are on it every day.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Okay, quite the shock when people were scrolling through Sheian
last week and saw that Luigi Manchio and he was
modeling some of their clothing.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It's unbelievable. You know what this reminds me of what
there was a couple years ago. There was on Amazon
there was a Father's Day blanket that was for sale,
and it was a blanket with a heart in the
middle that said Happy Father's Day, with blank spaces where
you could add pictures of your your husband, or your
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dad to give it to him for Father's Day. And
the example they showed had a picture of Chris Watts
in on the blanket.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I remember when you sent this to me and I
could not believe it, and sure enough it was there.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's there. So Chris Watts, if you remember, killed his
wife and his children in a brutal way by putting
his children in oil. What were they were oil barrels?
They were squeezed into these little small oil barrels where
they were into these little tiny holes they were squeezed into,
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and then their dead little bodies were left in the
oil to decompose and be found like that. So him
and his wife and his two kids were in a
photograph on a blanket that they were selling on Amazon
for Father's Day as the example of the ultimate father,
Like how do these things slip through the Let me
tell you, I didn't even tell you this actually, So
(15:21):
last week Lubert says to me, can you order me
Hawaiian stickers for my notepad for school? Right? So I
get one of these like sixty packs of stickers off
of Amazon that's titled Whola Girl four Girls sixty vinyl
proof or like waterproof stickers. Right. So I get it
(15:43):
and I go through the stickers and it's like because
I was putting them all like fancy on her notebook,
and it's like a hibiscus and a coconut and like
little girls on surfboards. And then there's one and you
won't believe what it says. It says, I heart DILFS
stands for Dad. I like to fuck, it's serious. So
(16:03):
I look at it and I'm like, this does this
say this? Because it's written in cursive and there's like
coconuts and stuff around it, and I'm looking and I'm looking,
and I'm like, I must just not be reading this, right,
I don't know. So I go up to Gabe and
I'm like, what does this say? I don't ask, I
don't tell him what I think it says. I said,
what does this say? And he says it says iHeart dilfs.
(16:26):
So he looks at me and he's like, what does
that mean? And I said it means dad, I like
to fuck, and he's like, oh, like milf and I said, yeah,
it's like milf, except it's diff it's like a thing.
So I was actually going to take a picture of
it and make a video for Instagram, but then when
I came back downstairs, it was gone. And he's like,
(16:47):
I threw that out. I don't want them putting that
on their notebook by accident, and I'm just like, no, dude.
So then I go on the reviews for it because
I'm like, maybe I just got one in my package,
and sure enough, like most of the people were just
like the stickers are really cute, but there's this like
random one that says iHeart delfs, like it wasn't just
me so, and I'm like, this is so fucked up
(17:09):
like that, because like if I gave them to Lucia
and just said here, put these on on your notebook,
because typically she would take all sixty and put them
on the notebook. And I'm like, what is happening right now?
Like that didn't accidentally slip through the cracks? Like why
would there even be a sticker that says that when
it's for little children?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Can you imagine if she went to school and you
didn't see.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I'm like, this isn't what I mean, But how weird
is that? Like so so you want like a little
girl that's ten years old to have that written on
her notebook like some like talk about child grooming and
shit like that. That's fucked up. Well that's what I
was just gonna say.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, this is like when Balenciaga did that photo show. Yeah,
they had those papers scattered on the ground that referenced
some pedophilia case. Yeah, and they were like, oh, that
was an act accident, and You're like, no, that actually
wasn't an accident. So I mean it's a little bit different,
but still you're just questioning. So the best is is
that they contacted Sheen, and Sheen was just like, oh,
(18:13):
that was from a third party, and we've since taken
it down and we have the most vigorous standards when
it comes to us, you have the most vigorous standards.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And I was like, no, you don't, because otherwise, like
and somebody did it. And then a part of me
is just like, did they just do this for like clickbait?
Because all they did was apologize and take it down,
but like, ultimately nobody's doing anything about it.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, I love too that they're like, we don't know
if the photos AI generated, Like, well, what is it?
He either modeled for it before he got arrested, as
like a stock image model, which I guess is possible.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Well, I say that too. From Luigi's perspective, I would
be like, not that I'm trying to stand up for
the dude, but I would just be like, if you're
fucking making money off of my image on your web
site that makes billions of dollars, then you better give
me the money for it, because you're using my image
to sell right.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, I'm actually curious if he's going to file a
lawsuit against them for that, that'll.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Be the new news. I mean, like, I think he's
in prison for murder. He shouldn't have any rights. But
at the same time, you're just like, these companies shouldn't
be using anybody's picture to make money. Like, if that's
not a real model that they paid for, then that's
not like a random AI image that's coming up, right.
(19:35):
I love TMZ being like it appeared to look like
Luigi Manngiuni.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I'm like, who else looks like that? That's why he
got arrested so quickly. Who else has eyebrows like that?
Come on, it was ridiculous. Speaking of grooming, a family
doctor has been arrested after allegedly soliciting an undercover cop
who was posing as a mother to have sex with
her five.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Year old daughter.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah great, Yeah really, family doctor, that's great. Access to
children alone in exam rooms, really really great to hear.
It's also it's also interesting too, because he had, like
his digital footprint showed that he had a bunch of
weird searches about related to contraception, full term abortions, and
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intentional drug and alcohol used to cause people to have
birth defects. Yeah, like what is that about?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't know, but it's so alarming. And you know,
the the hospital or that he was practicing in and
like put out a statement saying that he was immediately
fired and all, and like, obviously this is the problem
because like if he's never been convicted of anything, that
the hospital hires the guy, they do child background check.
Like I when I rotated at Children's Hospital when I
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was in PA school, I had to get like a
criminal background check. Funny story actually, because my program director
sat a stamn one day and she was like, you
guys are gonna have to get a criminal background check
for to go to Children's Hospital. And she's like, so
before we do it, does anyone have anything they want
to tell me before they run it? And she looked
(21:12):
at me, Nicole, do you have anything you want to
tell me? And I was like, I never been arrested. Meanwhile,
all the wholesome girls in my class, they like had
the public drunkenness in college or some shit like that.
I don't know. It was hilarious though, because we were
laughing so hard because because like my program director was okay,
(21:32):
like I was being biased if I had to guess
anyone in this room that had a criminal record, I
would think it would have been you. Oh my god,
I was like thanks, Yeah, it was pretty funny. But anyway,
like they just do that to see if you were
arrested or there's anything like that. Like they don't do
deep searches like this. They would never find this out.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, they would never find this out. But I mean,
obviously this guy is gonna lose his license at this
point and never get hired anywhere again.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean good, he should actually get his balls
cut off. I mean, like, f this guy. I hate
this guy.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, also, the police said he said stomach churning messages
that were too explicit to share. Think about that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, well, there's like there's like these whole other levels
of pedophiles. Like first it's like you have the guy,
the guy that's on roadblox that's just trying to recruit
a kid, and then the ones that are trying to
recruit like a mother to give her child up for
that is like, I don't know why those those ones
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just are even worse to me. I'm I mean, I
guess there's just they're all bad.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
I don't wonder if we did it on here or
YouTube live. But remember a couple of weeks ago, we
just had that story about her mom who was trying
to sell off her kid. Yeah, I mean there are
people that do it, No, there there are it.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I just think that that's the most like when you
hear that, like as a mother, I'm just like, Oh,
nobody's ever nobody would ever do that. And I'm like, no, wait,
people like we'll talk to a stranger online and sell
their child to an adult male to have sex with
the Like oh yeah, I just can't even wrap my
brain around it. It's just so it's just so disturbing.
(23:13):
And also like, didn't any of these guys ever watch
To Catch a Predator? Like do you think you actually
think you're talking to a real person.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I just think maybe the obsession just blocks out any
mental clarity, you know what I'm trying to say, Yeah,
you're right, like you just have such an infatuation, You're
so obsessed with it that you just are truly in
denial about getting caught. Even though when did to Catch
a Predator come about twenty years ago and they were
on top of this shit with like aim chat rooms. Yeah,
(23:46):
and now we have even better technology. How do you
think you're possibly getting away with this?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't know, And and like I always I
really would love to talk to somebody because I know, like,
well Schlet might do that because I'm not one hundred
percent I'm sure how he works it, but like I know,
Chris Hansen is the host of the show, but I
would like to talk to like a police officer that
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that does that for a living and how they have
to play along with it and how just you know,
like imagine seeing like having correspondence with someone that's writing
disgusting things that they want to do with a child
and having to like write back and act like you're interested. Well,
(24:30):
I think it's really really interesting to me.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I think these undercover stings get criticized too, because they try,
like people try to say they're like leading a person
on and it's like entrapment, right. But I'm sorry, but
if somebody was trying to like prompt me to speak
like that about a child, I wouldn't do it back
because I'm not a pedophile, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, people,
they're catching people that are going to act on it eventually,
(24:54):
because you can't trick somebody into thinking that.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, exactly, like exactly, they're if those sick thoughts in
your head, Like there's no I mean, it's the same
theory as like a cop hiding in the woods and
trying to catch somebody that is driving really fast past them.
It's like they're not pulling them over because they saw
them driving fast. They're pulling them over because they kind
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of they caught them when they thought the police weren't
looking kind of thing. Well, it's the same kind of theory,
but like you know, I mean, like I don't have
a problem with it. I wish there were like thousands
more people doing this and trying to catch all of them.
It's just so it's so disturbing.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
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talk about this rare fetus in fetu case. First, can
you go over what that is in general and then
what makes this case so special?
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So, fetus in FI two is also a condition called
a parasitic twin. So sometimes during development, the eggs, can
you know, they split or they don't split in the
correct way, and this is how you could end up
with conjoined twins. And things like that. But in this
rare case of fetus in fetu there are usually there
(27:41):
would be an egg that splits and one of them
gets enveloped by the other one. So as the bigger
fetus or the healthy fetus is growing, there's this other
one that's kind of inside of their body that is
growing at the same time. So typically when these children
are born, they present with some kind of a mass
(28:04):
that looks like a tumor almost, and then when they
do imaging they see actual fetal parts, so it's not
it's not a it's not an actual twin per se,
because that twin cannot live without being like a parasite.
That's why it's called a parasitic twin. And oftentimes they
look very disorganized, like they'll have an arm and a leg,
(28:26):
but they'll have some hair and just like random body
parts that are attached but also are taking from the
blood supply of the healthy twin, So that that's a
rare condition in itself. And then this one is even
more rare because there's two twins inside of one body,
two parasitic twins. So they said that there's like less
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than forty cases of this reported ever, so it's really
really cool.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
So essentially, if the eggs had split normally, they would
have been triplets. What I'm understanding, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
So it would have been it would have been a
triplet pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Okay. So what I wanted to ask though, is did
they normally catch this this early on? Because wasn't this
baby only a month old? I feel like most of
the cases we've covered before have been in older children
or sometimes adults.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, like I said, it sometimes sometimes it's very obvious,
other like other times, like I said, like it could
present as some kind of a tumor. In this case,
this baby wasn't eating well and was very irritable, and
when they did the work up, that's when they did
imaging and they were able to see that there was
(29:38):
a problem and that there were these two partial fetus
is growing within this baby's I've demen like it's it's outrageous.
So they did surgery to remove it, and like that'll
be the end of it. I mean, just the biggest
risk in this situation is just doing surgery on a
baby of that size. But ultimately, like those other partial
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babies are live, so they are sucking off of the
healthy ones. So it will it can make the healthy
twin anemic or take nutrients away, so they have to
they have to get rid of it. But it's like
they can't separate it and have those twins live as
(30:22):
as humans because they're just kind of like a haphazard
like arrangement of a human. They're not like a full human.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Is this something they could only detect after the baby's
been born or would they be able to figure this
out in utero? They could probably figure it out in
utero for sure, but I guess there's probably nothing they
could do.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Really a lot like no, there's no I mean, there's
nothing that they can do in utero possibly, Like I
don't think they would attempt to do any kind of
like like uterine surgery during pregnancy with this case like this,
I but oftentimes when we hear about it, it's like
it's in other countries where they're not getting pre needle
(31:04):
care and things like that, So same is in this case. Right,
It's just so I'm not exactly sure what they would
do as far as identifying it. I mean, they might
identify it on imaging and monitor it and then as
soon as the baby's born, like they would have to
do something about it.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Okay, As of September first, gel nail polish containing a
shatin ingredient has been banned throughout Europe.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
So what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Because I get gel Mann here's all the time, and
now I'm kind of freaking out. So I think that
I think that it was banned because in studies in animals,
it shows that it could cause infertility. This particular chemical
that is responsible for hardening the gel nail polish underneath.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Of the UV light. But the studies that have been
done have been on like higher volumes of this chemical
with rats, and they're saying, like anyone that was interviewed
about it here are saying that that particular chemical is
not in a very small amount, isn't dangerous, and there's
(32:14):
really been no human studies linked to it causing infertility,
and it's in males, not females and males. So furthermore,
some of the scientists that were interviewed said that once
that chemical is cured, then it's no longer considered toxic
(32:34):
to a human. So really the only exposure that you
would ever have with it would be if it got
on the sides of your skin or something during that
minute that it doesn't while it's wet and it's not curing, Okay,
So I mean I think that we always have to
take it seriously when certain things are being banned, because
(32:59):
oftentimes they end up being an issue. Like I don't
know if you recall, like the red dye forty has
been banned in Europe for a long time and now
we're finally banning it and getting along with that because
of all the problems that we've known that it's causing.
There's a lot of things that are banned in cosmetics
in Europe that aren't banned here, so they're probably more
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forward in like they're thinking as far as not having things,
and there's other chemicals they could use. So for them
to ban it, I don't think it's that big of
a deal because they could just replace it with something else,
and they're just trying to encourage companies to make safer products.
I don't think that there's I don't have a problem
(33:43):
with that, And just because there's not studies done on
humans doesn't mean that it doesn't have any kind of effect.
There's there's definitely other things to take into consideration when
getting a manicure or your nail's done. A lot of
dermatologists will say that the gel nails are causing people
to have breakouts and rashes on their face and different
(34:06):
kinds of azimas and things like that, and also just
there's exposures with infections at places like that, especially if
they're not doing the proper precautions. I mean, that's why
you have to be licensed to do it, because you
can spread viral diseases back and forth between each other
warts and things like that. And then of course the
(34:28):
UV light is dangerous. It's like a tanning booth, and
you're honestly supposed to put like sunscreen on your hands
before you get your nails done.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I don't understand, Like, if they're already putting lotion and
everything on your hands during the manicure, why can't they
just put sunscrew they should?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That would be like I mean, maybe it's just the
thing someone could carry in their purse and bring with
them when they get their nails done. Because even though
you're only under there for one or two minutes at
a time, you're doing that twice a month for years
of your life. Listen, like they're using toxic chemicals on you.
There used to be a time where now polished. Before
(35:06):
we had this gel nail polish always had formaldehyde in it,
and then they were like, oh, that's probably not good
to put you know, it's a carcinogen, so we need
to take that out and now polish and as we learn,
so all of the chemists that have been interviewed for
this particular story don't think it's that big of a deal,
but we could see it be a bigger deal in
the future. And also it's saying infertility in males. I
(35:30):
don't know how many men are going and getting gel manicures.
I mean, what there are, but it's definitely not anywhere
near as many as women are. So I'm not.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Thinking about men getting it. I'm thinking about the men
putting it on well, cause a lot of guys work
in nail salons.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, And I guess the point is, though, is that
at least in this article, they were saying that you
would have to have contact with the skin, it wouldn't
just be from the fumes of it. So I mean,
in theory, you shouldn't really be getting it on your
skin that much if you're you know.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well, if buying it, well, that's not true. Because think
about if they paint over by accident and then they
usually take their finger if they're not wearing gloves.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, they do. No, they do, I know, And it's
I just don't. I don't really, I don't really know.
Like it's the thing is is that even though a
rat is a mammal, they have different pathways and different
they just have different anatomy physiology than a human does.
So until their studies done in actual humans, that it's
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causing a problem. I think that it's a little bit
hard to say. This happened with like Sweet and Low
back in the day that that was like a big thing,
like it caused cancer and lab rats and things like that,
and it's still on the market, right, Like yeah, so
you just have to really like things have to be
(36:58):
I think it's good that it pops up in the
animal studies and then you could be like, Okay, this
is something we need to look into, so now we
need to test it in humans. But like as of
right now that that doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
So yeah, I mean, hopefully it just like doesn't become
this greater thing. But I think the United States could
maybe take tips from other countries and actually do the
research because as we see with the red dye and
everything like that, there are problematic ingredients or chemicals and
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Stuff we use, and like the nail thing is a
huge problem because so especially for women of childbearing age,
if you're talking about fertility issues, that's like something that
we should know. I just think in general, we're having
such a bad fertility problem in this country, and we
(37:50):
need to, like, instead of making pregnancy robots and like
these weird things, like, maybe take the money and research
what's going on. I think it's obvious we have a
lot of of you know, chemicals and our clothing and
our foods and the products we're using every day. But
I'd like to see people actually putting energy into figuring
that out. I really wonder what the I mean, like,
(38:13):
I wonder what the true the truth is behind the
fertility situation, because there's a lot of factors to consider,
and one being like back in the day, it wasn't
talked about as much, right, So that's so that's a
whole thing. There's plenty of women that just like never
(38:33):
grew up to have children because they couldn't and it
just was like they might not have been a statistic
back then, and also just I do think a lot
of it is just because what do they say now,
like if you can't have a baby in one year,
you should start the fertility treatment.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, it depends on your age. I think if you're
under thirty five, they want you to wait a year,
and then if you're over thirty five it's six.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah. Like that's so if you talk to someone like
like momm for example, who's been open that she had
troubles in the first couple of years of marriage, Like
if she was if her and pop Up were trying
to have a baby now in twenty twenty five, she
would have already been through, like in the couple years
it took her to get pregnant, she would have been
(39:23):
through fertility treatments and everything and and IVF already, like
because it took her well not solid three years, not
necessarily IVF, because they would have tested her and seen
what the problem was and then it might have she
just might have needed yeah or something, yeah, whatever, but
like she would have had fertility treatment and been considered
(39:43):
to have a fertility problem, and she just she just
waited because she had to wait. There was no intervention
at the time, and it took her three or four
years to get pregnant, and then she she had three kids,
so that they just wouldn't let you go that long
kind of you know back then.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Well yeah, but yeah, the science was I think what
was the first IVF baby born in nineteen seventy nine.
That was the same year you were born. So yeah,
that was revolutionary science back then. It wasn't in it
everyday practice like it is today.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
So and then you have to take into consideration too
that if a woman's infertile then and it's getting IVF now,
you have a whole generations of people that are trying
to have babies now that are IVF babies themselves. And
maybe there's a genetic component of that as well. Yeah,
(40:41):
so I mean that's another thing to consider. So, I mean, obviously,
and the foods are just I just think it's a
combination of a lot of different things. It's hard to
pinpoint it on like one thing, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, all right, before we wrap up, I just want
to say happy third wedding anniversary to my husband. I
love you very much. It's been a day three years,
even though we've been together for almost ten but it's
literally not got.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
For him a birthday present.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
Its last week. Well I haven't seen him. I could
get away with it for a couple of days. You can,
and he doesn't listen to this. I'm sure somebody will
rat us out, but I don't know. You know, he's
easy and you probably don't have to get him anything
at all. He doesn't, you know, now, I know, I
just like to get he's He's easy to buy for it.
That's why I like buying him presents because I don't
have to think that much. But I could get him
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something cool. I know. His birthday was on Saturday when
we were in Denver, and I was like, he was
at the cabin, which doesn't have really good service. So
I just felt so guilty because I'm like, I feel
like I need to talk to him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's his birthday.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And you were like, he probably doesn't care at all.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Guys. He's not like sitting in the corner crying over you.
He was with his guy friends like he was fine.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
He was. I told Joseph Scott Morgan was like, Oh,
where's your husband. I was like, he's probably having the
best birthday ever because I'm not nagging him. Okay, guys,
on October third, we are going to be at Cheryl
McCollum's Wildlife CSI at Lake Tobias Wildlife Park. It is
I think about an hour and a half outside of Philly,
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about an hour away from Hershey and Lancaster. And then
on October eighteenth, we are going to be doing a
live Mother nos Death episode at Darkside, New Jersey in Edison.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Awesome. See you guys there, see you guys there.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
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Speaker 2 (42:29):
Saya thank you for listening to Mother Noos Death. As
a reminder, my training is as a pathologist assistant. I
have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and
pathology education. I am not a doctor and I have
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Always remember that science is changing every day. And the
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