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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be talking about the hottest thing on
the Internet right now, which is Liam Neeson and Pam
Anderson's relationship, a recall on energy drinks that were accidentally
filled with vodka, the world's oldest baby, how silicon breast
i plants could cause heart disease, and what happens if
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you're in the middle of taking a test and someone
suddenly goes into cardiac arrest. All that and more on
today's episode. All right, let's start with Liam Neeson. So
he's you know, what's amazing about this story actually was
that I think there's certain subjects rarely, like we could say,
a couple weeks ago, it was like the Coldplay video thing. Yeah,
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now it's like this, Pam Anderson and Liam Newsen, like
everyone is happy about this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Of course they are. Let's get into it and then
we'll talk about what Yeah, Okay, he's been in the
press a lot in general because Naked Gun just came
out and Pamela Anderson's in that movie too, and this
news story has come out that after the death of
his wife, Natasha Richardson, he apparently wrote makeup artist Sandy
Littner and thank you note for doing such a great
job on her funeral makeup.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah that's I mean, that was really shocking when she died.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I mean personally, I was very devastated because she's
in the parent trap.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
She's the mom.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
She was like my favorite actress everything.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
When I was a getting kid.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I thought she was Princess Diana when I was a
little kid because they looked exactly the same. And her
death was really shocking everybody. It was similar to how
Bob said, it died too, right.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, and I'm going to bring this up in my
lecture at Crime Con. Actually, but Natasha Richardson, she was
for those of you who forget or are unfamiliar with
her death, she was skiing and she fell and it
hit her head. So the first the first problem was
that she wasn't wearing a helmet, which I put when
we wrote the celebrity death to section years ago. On
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her I did mention, how I mean, obviously wearing a
helmet does not look cute with the outfit, right, but
like you have to you have to wear a helmet
when you're doing something like that. So she fell and
hit her head, and they came and examined her right
away and suggested that she go to the hospital. But
she felt fine, and all of a sudden she started
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you know, she was fine for a while, and then
she started having a really bad headache. And because they
were so far away from a local trauma center, she
was not able to be brought to the hospital in time,
and she ended up dying from a brain bleed. And
if she would have went to the hospital as soon
as she hit her head at the advice of the paramedics,
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she would likely still be alive today. I'm actually surprised
that it's not required that trauma centers have to be
near ski resorts, because don't you think they often have accidents,
and when there are accidents, they are typically a little catastrophic,
meaning people breaking limbs or having severe concussion. Well, it
seemed that she was at first. This happened in Canada,
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so that's I mean, everything's so spread apart there, you know,
because it's just so big up there, and they were
two hours by car from a trauma center, so I
don't know, I'm sure that they do medical flights or
something like that. I'm not sure how that works, but
she I mean, yeah, I guess if you need a
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cute medical attention, that could be a problem. But something
something like a head injury like that where you have
to have blood evacuate from your skull, you definitely want
to be at a place that's used to doing something
like that. So she had an epidoral bleed. So what
happened is that this is a bleed that occurs above
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the dora mater, which is the covering that covers your brain.
It's like a thick, fibrous kind of blanket that covers
your brain. And when the blood vessel is injured during
the fall. In most cases, if that vessel, for example,
is severed, like in I don't know, if you get
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in a car accident you hit your head in that
sweet spot, you usually bleed to death pretty quickly because
that's an artery and when arteries are severed, every single
time your heart beats, the blood pours out right. But
in your skull, your brain is already filling up so
much of the space, so there's not much more space
for blood to go. And what happens is that this
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clot starts getting bigger and bigger bigger, and starts pressing
down on your brain, and it could push your brain
down so much that it goes to the respiratory centers
of the brain and starts turning off your ability for
your brain to make your lungs work to function. So
with her, she must not have had a super serious
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tear because she took hours to die. In fact, she
was finally brought to the hospital and was alive for
two days. They were able to at least keep her
alive for two days until she finally died from it.
So I'm assuming she had surgery to try to evacuate
the clop but the damage was already done by the
time she got there. So that's why I really think
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that just because of how long it took her to
get this severe headache, I think that if she went
to the hospital right away, there would definitely have been
a chance for her to survive. And what's really sad
about it is, at the time of her death, she
had two little kids, right, and she was married to
Liam Neeson and apparently he hasn't dated since she died.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I was shocked by that, especially because he was
kind of known to have a bunch of star set
of relationships, including Barber Streis and Brookshields, Helen Buren, and
Janis Dickinson, who will get to in a minute. But
I think that, like everybody's just so excited that he's
with Pamela Anderson because they are fifteen years apart in age,
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but it is seemingly more age appropriate. He's in his
early seventies. Oftentimes you see men in their early seventies
dating twenty or thirty year olds. She's fifty eight, So
I think in Hollywood that's still considered an age appropriate relationship.
You know, she's been through the ringer with everything that
happened with Tommy Lee and everything that happened with the
sex tape scandal, the show coming out pam and Tommy
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and her not liking that her writing her memoir and
how that so deeply affected her. So I think it's
really cool to see that they got really close on
the set of the movie and now they're dating, and
I think it's really cute.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It is so cute, and it's so cute that he
didn't date anyone. Like to me, I'm like, Okay, he
really like loved his wife and was traumatized by that.
And yeah, and apparently like he did a post with
her and Natasha Richardson's sister, like what is all for
the relationship apparently, which also is a really good sign
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because he's obviously been dad to these kids who are
now grown ups theyeather my age. Yeah, and like, I
mean just focused on his career and his children and
his family. But he deserves to have love too, and
she's the best person to do it with. Now let's
talk about the article that came out with Janis Dickenson.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, this is what I was saying when Ozzy Osbourne died,
Like these these articles always have the surface about these
totally rare.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, everyone keeps coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, of course, So now that he's all been all
up in the news and everything, jan Is Dickenson had
apparently said that he has the biggest penis she's ever
seen and equated it to an evy on bottle.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, good for Pam. Well, I think that he beyond bottle.
That's nice. I mean, like, who, like what would make
her think? Like you know what, like I have to
just put this out there.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, an interesting development. I think Jana Is Dickens and
is hilarious for Sage, and she doubled down on it too.
She said it, I guess for the first time in
two thousand and five. They had dated really briefly or
maybe just hooked up in the late eighties early nineties,
and then she doubled down on it, saying it was
indeed the biggest she's ever seen. So that's good for
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Pam and Pam it seems like everybody's fully in support
of this. Andy Cohen, who was also really close to
Natasha Richardson, was so excited about it. He had them
both on Watch What Happens Live last week and it
was really cute to see them interact with each other.
And I just think it's really nice and everybody's for it,
and hopefully they've you know, had love again after both
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kind of going through traumatic things on their own.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah. Actually, let me say a side note to Tom uh.
Pamela Anderson's boys are like very handsome.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They are very cute.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I didn't I didn't see Liam Neeson's kids. I actually
wanted to look them up to see what they look
like if they look like Natasha, But her sons are
like really handsome.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean I mean they're from beautiful, very good.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I know, it's just it's just a side note.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
She like, we need to remember too that like she
she had plastic surgery at some point, but before she did,
she was drop dead gorgeous. I mean, this is what
people like. She was hired as a model without having
all the fillers and everything.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
She was discovered on a jumbo tron at like a
game in Canada, and.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Then she became the Bats Girl, and then she started
working for a Playboy. I mean, her memoir is really good.
I read it a couple of years ago when or
whenever it came out, maybe it was last summer or
the summer before. It's very good. Her documentary is very
good that follows up. I did think that show Pam
and Tommy was good, even though it really upset her
that they were telling her story. But I did think
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it really shined a good light on her and didn't
make her look, you know, bad, like everybody of course
made her the villain in that story when she did
nothing wrong. So I think this lady's really gone through it,
and hopefully this is think about that. That would upset
me too if someone was just like, oh, you're still
alive and I'm going to make a movie about your
side of the story like that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's like not cool. No, definitely enough people. I guess
people do that all the time with books and stuff
like that. Like it's just I could understand that you
would feel visibly upset about that.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, this is like you know, that show The Crown
was incredible. And then Megan Markle was like, if you
say anything about us, I'm gonna sue you Netflix. And
I'm like, yeah, oh, like you wish you were a
character on a show that had all these awards. Get
a life. Okay, let's go on this next one. So
the FDA is issued a warning after Celsius energy drink
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cans were accidentally filled with vodka.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's more alarming, like how this happened.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I feel like there had to be some major break
in whoever was checking at the plant, like wherever they
are filling these things and canning them, because don't you
think this would happen all the time. They're trying to
blame the packaging supplier for sending the wrong cans to
High Noon, who accidentally filled the Celsius cans.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
With their vodka product.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And now they've had to recall all these cans of
Celsius and high Noon because they got filled with the
wrong drinks.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So I'm really curious how they figured this out.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, first of all, I just want to say, the
packaging doesn't look anything. They're not even similar looking. So
nobody at the high Noon plant was like, these aren't
our cans.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They look I don't know that it's I don't know
that that's how it works. Like listen, I'm just and
I have no idea how these things work. I'm just
gonna give you an example of my only experience with this. Remember,
I went on, like you know, in Pennsylvania you could
go on a tour of the Herze potato chip factory. Yes,
And I went there and I was surprised that in
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one room they were packaging tostitos. That's what they're called, right,
the chips that are one room was toastedos on one machine,
and then like on the other side of the room
there was another machine that had packaging from Wegmans that
was the same kind of chips, tortilla chips. And I
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was just like, wow, this is weird. Is this just
the same kind of chips that go into each bag?
And you just pay more for whatever's on the bag. Yeah,
But like the people that work at Hers, I assume
just get the delivery of the packages and they put
it on the machine and start doing it. So it's
like and Hers is a different situation. Like these canning companies.
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They might have huge warehouses that do soda and all
this other stuff too, Like the workers just get what
they're supposed to get and like fill it. It might
not just be like specifically for that one brand, you
know what I mean. That's what I'm trying to say.
Wrong shipments can happen all the time. I don't know
what happened. I'm just curious, like, did it get discovered
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after someone purchased it and figured it out? Is that
when it got discovered? I don't know, But.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well it got distributed because they're saying.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Exactly, So that's what I'm thinking. Like someone called them
and was just like okay, like I just drank your
product and it has vaka in it and I'm like
feeling it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, So it's that the products were shipped to retailers
in Florida to New York, Ohio, South Carolina, Virginia, and
Wisconsin between July twenty first and July twenty third, So
the astro Vibe Blue Jazz Blue Ras flavor of Celsius
has been recalled, as well as High Nun's Beach Variety packs.
So my question is, we know the vodka is in
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the Celsius cans, but did the Celsius get put in
the High Noon can?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes? Okay, but the High Noon is saying that they're recalled,
but they're safe to drink, which I'm kind of like,
what about people with heart with heart conditions and stuff exactly, Like, yeah,
it's it's safe to drink, except that it's an energy
drink that you probably don't want if you have a
heart condition. And obviously, like children shouldn't be drinking the
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energy drinks either, But I know sometimes not sometimes, every
single time we go on a road trip, Gabe always
buys the disgusting red bull. I can't even stand the
smell of it. It's just just so gross, but he
drinks it because like we have to drive ten hours
or whatever. But like people do that, right, you get
it at the comedience store. Like what if you're drinking
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that and then all of a sudden you feel like
a buzz? Well, yeah, I mean, I wonder if that's
what happened. I mean, listen, they have like four point
five percent alcohol in them, which is equivalent to like
less than a beer. Right, It's it's not a lot.
And I could say I've drank high nuons before, but
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they don't taste anything like what an energy drink would take.
I guess they taste so similarly.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They taste so differently, but you wouldn't know that unless
you had both. Right, So, like let's say you had
a high Noon for the first time, you might not
realize it's an energy drink versus the drink and vice versa.
But the lot codes are listed online, so I advise
you go check those and make sure if you've bought
any of these drinks in between this time, and just kiss.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
You if you brought the high Noon in a cooler
to the beach to sit there all day and like
get drunk and you drank like three or four of
them and didn't get anything.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Or you had a heart attack because you just drank
for any exact exactly what happened to me. So I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Like, no, it's interesting because like a lot of like
in hindsight, we could look and be like, oh, i'd
be able to tell the difference. But if you're drinking
what it says is in the can, wouldn't you just
be like I don't know why. I'm just like not
getting drunk at all. I just don't feel it, but
like my heart's about to pound out of my chest.
Like that's why I'm really curious, like how it got discovered.
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Did someone drink for them and go to the emergency
room with like heart palputations and a caffeine overdose, or
did someone crash their car because they thought they were
drinking and energy drink and it was really vogue. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So even last week, I feel like it was on Thursday.
I have two coffees every single day. I have one
right when I wake up, and then I have one
in the early afternoon, and then I have my early
afternoon one. And I texted Rickie and I was like,
I feel like I can run around the neighborhood twenty
five times. It was that gross, you know, I explain it,
and this sounds idiotic, Like your blood is hard, like
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everything just stiffens in your body and your heart's pounding.
That's how I feel when I have like a caffeine overdose.
It is the grossest feeling in the world. It hasn't
happened to me in so long, but I just imagine
drinking a couple of these, thinking it's just a vodka drink,
and then you're just all of a sudden, like, what
is wrong with me? What is happening? This is the
worst feeling ever.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
This sucks for anybody that had to go through it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Wait, so let me tell you the funniest meme that
I've been seeing going around like for this. It's like
it's like from the original Willy Wonka in the Chocolate
Factory movie from like the seventies or eighties whenever that
came out, and it's Charlie Bucket holding up the Golden ticket,
and it's like me hoping that I get the Celsius
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with the vocket. It's like so funny.
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Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, this is a cool story.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the world's oldest baby has been born after a
couple adopted an embryo that was frozen in nineteen ninety
four and now the baby was just born on July
twenty sixth.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Another good meme that's been going around is just like,
imagine that you could have had a cool childhood growing
up in the nineties and now you were born into
this this kid's this kid should be your age.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, so this this embryo does have a thirty year
old sister. So the history behind this was that embryo
was originally created in nineteen ninety four to a couple.
They ended up getting four embryos in total, and they
had one which resulted in a daughter who is also
now the mother of a ten year old herself, so
that's kind of cool. So they divorced and the mother
was awarded custody of the embryos. She eventually found out
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about this embryo adoption program went forward with that. So
now this couple had adopted that embryo and they had
their transfer day last November, and now they have.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Given birth to the baby. So this baby is born
and is now already an uncle to a ten year old. Yeah, basically,
it's so weird. It's like this story is so just
like really hard to process. So this is a question
that I want to ask you. They the husband, her
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and the husband got divorced, right, yeah, and she won
custody of embryos, which is just weird to think of
because they are humans. Which now it's a human, So
this guy now has another kid walking around that. I mean,
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like he didn't have any say over if that was
going to be made into another human or not. I
don't know. That's why I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That would have had to been discussed in the custody
agreement because when you go through IVF, there is so
much paperwork attached to it with what happens to the
embryos and what's to happen if you have leftovers and
how long they keep them. I mean, you have to
pay for them to be in storage.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But if the wife had costody all the embryos, then
like in my opinion, like the guy, the actual like
DNA father wouldn't have been involved at all. Yeah, he
would have had.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, he would have had the sign off that
she could do whatever she wanted with them. Because there
was a really uh like not high profile necessarily because
I don't know how much is well known information, but
I've talked about it on here before with Sophia and Vigara,
the actress, her and her ex husband had some embryos
and after they got divorced, he had wanted to go
forward and have them with either by himself or with
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his new wife or girlfriend or whatever, and she did
not want that, and then they ended up going to
court over it, and the embers were destroyed as a result,
so you have.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
To that's I mean, I don't blame her for that
at all. No, I mean you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
When you go through this process, there is so much
paperwork involved detailing exactly what happens in pretty much every
single scenario.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So it's actually kind of weird that, Like I could
see in a normal person that you would want to
do something like that because IVF is so expensive, But
when you're a person that's multi millionaires, it don't you
think it's a little weird that he got he I
believe they only got divorced because she didn't didn't she
like not want to have kids or something.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well, that was with Jomayan Janella, who was her husband
after him her second husband, oh okay, maybe her third.
I don't know it was that break up. I'm not
that same guy.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm mixing up husbands then, No, But regardless, like like,
why would why would someone want to have a baby
of the X?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, I guess it's like you've already gone through it
all and it's expensive. I don't know what this guy
was trying to do. I think in some and I'm
not saying this is what he was doing. I think
in some cases it could be nefarious, like you want
to go forward and have this baby and then go
after the other parent for child support.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But that's why they cover it all, and that just
like creepy, Like I'm not over this person. I don't know,
Like it's like I'm sir. Money isn't an object with
these people. I mean, I understand, like whatever ibfs, like
thirty thousand dollars or forty thousand dollars a pop or
whatever it is, but like that's that's like four one
hundred dollars sauce, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Like it's just yeah, I don't really yeah, I don't
really know. But I think the point of this story
is it's kind of coming up about how there's a
lot of I don't know if this is the right word,
but like I don't want to say waste necessarily because
I don't their they're lives, right, But there's a lot
of embryos that aren't able to be implanted in people
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and they end up getting destroyed. So I guess they're
really encouraging people to have extra embryos to try to
put them up for adoption so they at least come
to fruition and they're not just destroyed. So I can
see that. But at the same time, not everybody going
through it is going to be comfortable with their biological
child going to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, and I know someone that's in a situation like
that that there's extra embryos and but but like that
also puts into account that their children would have full
biological siblings somewhere else, and that might put complexity into
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the child's life. I mean, that could be a great
thing to find out that you have a sibling later
in life, or even to know about it your whole life,
but it also it adds complexity, and well, I'm wonderful
might not want to induce that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I wonder about it with twenty three and me right
when these tests start coming out and you start revealing
all these infidelities that happened over the last couple of
decades that were never previously revealed. But this adds that
extra level of complex like, oh, no, I had extra
embryos and I wanted to donate them, so you do
have a full blooded sibling out there. But I did
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the right thing. There was no fair or anything like that.
But it's I mean, we're just gonna see this with
IVF over time. It's I think IVF is such a
hot topic right now, and it's kind of hard to
believe that it first happened in the late seventies. I
have a hard time even computing that it's that far back,
and to see that a baby that was frozen or
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I guess people a lot of people working in the
field don't want you to call an embryo a baby
because it's not like a fully developed baby, so I
shouldn't use that terminology. To see an embryo developed from
nineteen ninety four and come to fruition in twenty twenty
five is kind of insane scientifically, and it's really awesome
that they're even able to do that, it really is.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's just like it's I just can't really wrap my
brain around around it. It's all. It's just kind of
weird to think. I mean, I guess every per and
that goes through IVF, though to some extent, unless you're
getting the thing put in you right away, is like
you're kind of messing with the dates of when it
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would actually it was supposed to be born, when it
was created kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, because there's there's fresh and frozen transfers, so I
actually think most people go through frozen transfers, so at
some point that embryo is frozen. And yeah, you are
just not on the same timeline because I think even
after you do the retrieval and the time it takes
for the embryos to develop, you're just still off course
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from when it would happen naturally. And then people can
get you know, I've seen stories where people get like
fifteen embryos or something crazy off of one yield. So
then they're just kind of sitting there. Yeah, and you
have to I wonder if this woman you have to
pay for the storage for them every year, So like
I wonder if this woman was paying the storage fee
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every singing a lot. I think it's a couple hundred
dollars a year. I mean, that's not cheap for a
lot of people. I guess it's just I mean, this
isn't even anywhere on the same level. But like when
I had the kids breast milk in the freezer, right like,
even when they were totally off of it, I still
had some left and it was in the freezer and
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I just was like, I can't throw this out, Like
I didn't throw it out for like years because I
was like, I feel weird throwing this out, like it's
the same it's it's the same kind of thing, Like
you're you're gonna pay for it, because it's not even
the same kind of thing. It's on a totally different level.
But like if you don't pay for it, they're gonna
get destroyed, right, So like you have to do it, yeah,
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because you like in the paperwork, it addresses every possible scenario,
like what happens if you don't pay, like if you
can send to them being donated or whatever like that.
So I do think it's cool because the couple that
ended up adopting the embryo had been trying for seven years.
So it's definitely a nice story to see because I
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can't even imagine how terrific that is, just like that's
such an incredibly long time to be going through something
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Jeez.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
All right, So let's talk about this study with breast
implants and heart disease.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
All right, So this is a study. It's not really
unnecessarily a study, but it's a case report that I
came across that I wanted to share with you. Guys.
It was done in the Journal of American College and Cardiology.
Case reports a fifty year old woman. She presented with
symptomatic sinoatrial node dysfunction. So that sinoatriol or SA node
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is considered to be like the natural pacemaker of the heart,
and when there is a problem with that, it could
give you an atypical heartbeat, or an irregular heartbeat, or
an a arrhythmia. So they started working her up to
see exactly like what was causing her to have this,
and during the work up they found out that she
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had silicone breast implants that were had leaked. And not
only did it get within her lymph no tissue that
they buy up seed and saw underneath of the microscope.
They were able to see this material under the microscope
that was foreign material consistent with silicone, but also it
was within the heart muscle as well. And it's the
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first described case of this happening. But I just thought
it was kind of cool to tell you guys about.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So do you think that everybody with breast implants is
at risk of this or this is just a really
unusual sn I just think I think they think that
it's an unusual scenario. One of the things that they
were bringing up was was basically, you know, if you
do have breast implants, it can trigger inflammatory syndromes, and
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in this case, it's that's been described before in other
parts of the body, but it just was interesting that
it affected the heart as well in this woman. So
they took the silicone breast implants out and they she
didn't get really much better until they put her on
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some high dosage immune drugs as well as steroids, and
that was able to kind of get it a little
bit under control. Sorry, I just lost my train of
thought I was thinking about because she's pretty young, being
only fifty years old, so I wouldn't think, you know,
just thinking about breast implants and things like that. I
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believe that the ones that were really known to leak
came out well before this woman was of age to
get breast implants. So I'm just curious of what kind
of particular implant because that was a really big thing
back in the seventies and eighties with leaking silicone breast implants,
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which is why, like speaking of Pam Anderson in this episode,
I feel like she always had Remember there was this
period of time with the breast implants that everyone was
getting sale and they just had this very like like
water balloon look to them. They just didn't really look
very natural and stuff because everybody was so scared of silicone.
But then they switched over to a better kind of silicon.
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So she's just in a like a weird age group.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
To be having something like this. But I don't know
if she had them in this country or whatever. I
don't know any of that, but it's just curious, and
I mean, the we wrote a whole entire in the
Grosser Room, a high profile dissection on silicone breast implant
illness or just breast implant illness in general, and how
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it's not really recognized for the most part by the
medical community, but there's just so many people who swear
that they're having problems with them. And there's definitely been
document case documentation in some cases of lymphoma's associated with
some I believe, I don't know if it was implants
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or tissue expanders, but regardless that, that's like a really
interesting read. We went through all of the different associations
and case studies of people that were claiming to have
breast implant on this.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
All right, Let's wrap up with this story, which is insane.
During the bar exam, a graduate went into our favorite
term cardiac arrest while the test was going on, and
they did not stop the test.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
All right, So, I don't know I could go both
ways on this. I guess it was. Is the bar
exam two days? It seems like it was two days,
and it was at the end of the second day
of the test.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It was before the lunch break. They said it happened
minutes before the lunch break, which is why they're justifying
not stopping the test. But the people taking the test
are arguing, how am I supposed to concentrate when they're
trying to revive a woman that's having a medical emergency
in front of me.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
This is the thing, though, when you take a test
like the bar Exam, it's like it's a big deal,
studying for months, all of that stuff, and it's very
regulated as far as how many minutes people get to
sit there. There's just like all these regulations for it.
So if you go and stop the test on the
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second day in the middle of the day, when there's
only half of a day left to take the test,
then every single person there would have to retake the
test over again. They're not going to let you just
like finish another day that part.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
No, I think they should have stopped the test. If
it was only a couple minutes out, they should have
stopped it when she shared having the episode and said,
everybody leave and come back after lunch, and then they
should have added those minutes on the end of that
second half of the day and gave everybody like an
hour or two to calm down instead of trying to
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work through the rest of the part they were on
while this woman's like getting revived next to them.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
How are you possibly supposed to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And ar you?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I understand that, but guess what, Like I look at
it like if this let's pretend this was doctors taking
a medical board, right and they were saying the same thing.
It's just kind of like, well, guess what. In real
life when you're a doctor, prepare to be frazzled, Prepare
to have things thrown at you that you have to
think on your feet and be like, oh my god,
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I have to ignore this totally crazy thing that's happening
right now and like focus on my job. The same
could be said about lawyers, right, Like that chick that
was a public defender that got called to be Brian
Coberger's lawyer and had to deal with him every single day,
and the nightmare she probably has every single night because
she's seen the autopsy pictures and like looked at that
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guy's eyes and everything else. Like you have to be
kind of like mentally stronger than to let that side
noise that doesn't even affect you or your life at all,
to get in the way of you like concentrating on
your test.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, but I think if somebody had a medical emergency
in the middle of the courtroom, they would stop court
and put everybody on recess.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, but it doesn't matter. We're not talking about that.
We're just talking about in general, like side things that
happened to you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
That so totally, But like seeing autopsy pictures is a
lot different than like seeing somebody possibly die right in
front of you while you're like in the middle of
a high stress test in general, So like, yeah, you
could see both.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You're a different person. Like you go to the Maryland
House on a road trip and see someone have a
heart attack in front of you, and it ruins your vacation,
Like it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Didn't ruin my vacation. I just said, I don't want
to go back there again.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I'm just saying, like you get really affected by things,
and like you work around death.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It's different, Like not all lawyers are with criminal cases.
A lot of them work in like construction laws. So
she just her heart just I'm just saying it's jarring
as a lay person seeing a person medical episode.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Listen, this is what they this is what they should do.
They shouldn't either, I mean I do. I do disagree
with the fact that they should have just been like,
nothing to see here, let's go on. The test must
go on, right, Like they should have said to people, like, listen,
if you want, if you want to retake the test,
you can.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm I don't think they need to retake the whole test.
I'm saying they should. If it was ten minutes before lunch,
they should have said, go to lunch right now while
we handle this, and we're gonna add ten minutes on
the second half of the day.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, but they were they could have possibly been in
the middle of a section of a test.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, but this is a special circumstance. Like I don't
think they need to retake the entire test. I think
they just needed to like let them leave and not
watch her be real in the middle of the room.
They could have given her some privacy. It's made them
sit there.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
With you just because I know, like just because I've
taken a test like this, especially for for my certification
and stuff like that. It's just so it's so regulated
and just to think like you would leave in the
middle of it and go back like I don't. I
don't really know what to say, because also none of
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these people are going to be complaining when they get
their bar results back if they passed, but if they didn't,
then they're going to be like, no, I want that
number or rate. I don't. I don't know, Like it's
just it's kind of an unforeseen circumstance and no matter
what they did, is like just sucks. I mean, most
of the time people don't drop dead in the middle
of taking a test.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Like that, Like they should be given a pardon if
they passed, to redo it without penalty, because I think
you're only allowed to take it like twice and if
you don't pass, Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, they definitely they definitely should in that case. And
is it is it like a pass foul test or
is it based upon a score like is it better
if you get a higher score. I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It Isn't it a score like EL would say one
to seventy nine?
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well you, yeah, but that might just be you need
a certain score to ensure you're gonna pass.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, I don't think you're graded like A through F
But I think if you're over a certain number, then
you've passed. But if you're under, then you It's just
it's just like a very unusual circumstance.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
It is.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But I don't know, Like I don't think, yeah, I
just think they could have maybe been like, you don't
need to sit here and watch this woman be resuscitated
by e a mess while you're in the middle of
taking this test that's defining your future. You can just
leave a couple of minutes earlier, go out of the
room and come back or something. I don't know. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we
are going to be talking about the hottest thing on
the Internet right now, which is Liam Neeson and Pam
Anderson's relationship, a recall on energy drinks that were accidentally
filled with vodka, the world's oldest baby, how silicon breast
i plants could cause heart disease, and what happens if
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you're in the middle of taking a test and someone
suddenly goes into cardiac arrest. All that and more on
today's episode. All right, let's start with Liam Neeson. So
he's you know, what's amazing about this story actually was
that I think there's certain subjects rarely, like we could say,
a couple weeks ago, it was like the Coldplay video thing. Yeah,
(01:05):
now it's like this, Pam Anderson and Liam Newsen, like
everyone is happy about this.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Of course they are. Let's get into it and then
we'll talk about what Yeah, Okay, he's been in the
press a lot in general because Naked Gun just came
out and Pamela Anderson's in that movie too, and this
news story has come out that after the death of
his wife, Natasha Richardson, he apparently wrote makeup artist Sandy
Littner and thank you note for doing such a great
job on her funeral makeup.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah that's I mean, that was really shocking when she died.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, I mean personally, I was very devastated because she's
in the parent trap.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
She's the mom.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
She was like my favorite actress everything.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
When I was a getting kid.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I thought she was Princess Diana when I was a
little kid because they looked exactly the same. And her
death was really shocking everybody. It was similar to how
Bob said, it died too, right.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, and I'm going to bring this up in my
lecture at Crime Con. Actually, but Natasha Richardson, she was
for those of you who forget or are unfamiliar with
her death, she was skiing and she fell and it
hit her head. So the first the first problem was
that she wasn't wearing a helmet, which I put when
we wrote the celebrity death to section years ago. On
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her I did mention, how I mean, obviously wearing a
helmet does not look cute with the outfit, right, but
like you have to you have to wear a helmet
when you're doing something like that. So she fell and
hit her head, and they came and examined her right
away and suggested that she go to the hospital. But
she felt fine, and all of a sudden she started
(02:44):
you know, she was fine for a while, and then
she started having a really bad headache. And because they
were so far away from a local trauma center, she
was not able to be brought to the hospital in time,
and she ended up dying from a brain bleed. And
if she would have went to the hospital as soon
as she hit her head at the advice of the paramedics,
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she would likely still be alive today. I'm actually surprised
that it's not required that trauma centers have to be
near ski resorts, because don't you think they often have accidents,
and when there are accidents, they are typically a little catastrophic,
meaning people breaking limbs or having severe concussion. Well, it
seemed that she was at first. This happened in Canada,
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so that's I mean, everything's so spread apart there, you know,
because it's just so big up there, and they were
two hours by car from a trauma center, so I
don't know, I'm sure that they do medical flights or
something like that. I'm not sure how that works, but
she I mean, yeah, I guess if you need a
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cute medical attention, that could be a problem. But something
something like a head injury like that where you have
to have blood evacuate from your skull, you definitely want
to be at a place that's used to doing something
like that. So she had an epidoral bleed. So what
happened is that this is a bleed that occurs above
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the dora mater, which is the covering that covers your brain.
It's like a thick, fibrous kind of blanket that covers
your brain. And when the blood vessel is injured during
the fall. In most cases, if that vessel, for example,
is severed, like in I don't know, if you get
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in a car accident you hit your head in that
sweet spot, you usually bleed to death pretty quickly because
that's an artery and when arteries are severed, every single
time your heart beats, the blood pours out right. But
in your skull, your brain is already filling up so
much of the space, so there's not much more space
for blood to go. And what happens is that this
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clot starts getting bigger and bigger bigger, and starts pressing
down on your brain, and it could push your brain
down so much that it goes to the respiratory centers
of the brain and starts turning off your ability for
your brain to make your lungs work to function. So
with her, she must not have had a super serious
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tear because she took hours to die. In fact, she
was finally brought to the hospital and was alive for
two days. They were able to at least keep her
alive for two days until she finally died from it.
So I'm assuming she had surgery to try to evacuate
the clop but the damage was already done by the
time she got there. So that's why I really think
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that just because of how long it took her to
get this severe headache, I think that if she went
to the hospital right away, there would definitely have been
a chance for her to survive. And what's really sad
about it is, at the time of her death, she
had two little kids, right, and she was married to
Liam Neeson and apparently he hasn't dated since she died.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, I was shocked by that, especially because he was
kind of known to have a bunch of star set
of relationships, including Barber Streis and Brookshields, Helen Buren, and
Janis Dickinson, who will get to in a minute. But
I think that, like everybody's just so excited that he's
with Pamela Anderson because they are fifteen years apart in age,
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but it is seemingly more age appropriate. He's in his
early seventies. Oftentimes you see men in their early seventies
dating twenty or thirty year olds. She's fifty eight, So
I think in Hollywood that's still considered an age appropriate relationship.
You know, she's been through the ringer with everything that
happened with Tommy Lee and everything that happened with the
sex tape scandal, the show coming out pam and Tommy
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and her not liking that her writing her memoir and
how that so deeply affected her. So I think it's
really cool to see that they got really close on
the set of the movie and now they're dating, and
I think it's really cute.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
It is so cute, and it's so cute that he
didn't date anyone. Like to me, I'm like, Okay, he
really like loved his wife and was traumatized by that.
And yeah, and apparently like he did a post with
her and Natasha Richardson's sister, like what is all for
the relationship apparently, which also is a really good sign
(07:25):
because he's obviously been dad to these kids who are
now grown ups theyeather my age. Yeah, and like, I
mean just focused on his career and his children and
his family. But he deserves to have love too, and
she's the best person to do it with. Now let's
talk about the article that came out with Janis Dickenson.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, this is what I was saying when Ozzy Osbourne died,
Like these these articles always have the surface about these
totally rare.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, everyone keeps coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, of course, So now that he's all been all
up in the news and everything, jan Is Dickenson had
apparently said that he has the biggest penis she's ever
seen and equated it to an evy on bottle.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well, good for Pam. Well, I think that he beyond bottle.
That's nice. I mean, like, who, like what would make
her think? Like you know what, like I have to
just put this out there.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, an interesting development. I think Jana Is Dickens and
is hilarious for Sage, and she doubled down on it too.
She said it, I guess for the first time in
two thousand and five. They had dated really briefly or
maybe just hooked up in the late eighties early nineties,
and then she doubled down on it, saying it was
indeed the biggest she's ever seen. So that's good for
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Pam and Pam it seems like everybody's fully in support
of this. Andy Cohen, who was also really close to
Natasha Richardson, was so excited about it. He had them
both on Watch What Happens Live last week and it
was really cute to see them interact with each other.
And I just think it's really nice and everybody's for it,
and hopefully they've you know, had love again after both
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kind of going through traumatic things on their own.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah. Actually, let me say a side note to Tom uh.
Pamela Anderson's boys are like very handsome.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
They are very cute.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I didn't I didn't see Liam Neeson's kids. I actually
wanted to look them up to see what they look
like if they look like Natasha, But her sons are
like really handsome.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I mean I mean they're from beautiful, very good.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I know, it's just it's just a side note.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
She like, we need to remember too that like she
she had plastic surgery at some point, but before she did,
she was drop dead gorgeous. I mean, this is what
people like. She was hired as a model without having
all the fillers and everything.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
She was discovered on a jumbo tron at like a
game in Canada, and.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Then she became the Bats Girl, and then she started
working for a Playboy. I mean, her memoir is really good.
I read it a couple of years ago when or
whenever it came out, maybe it was last summer or
the summer before. It's very good. Her documentary is very
good that follows up. I did think that show Pam
and Tommy was good, even though it really upset her
that they were telling her story. But I did think
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it really shined a good light on her and didn't
make her look, you know, bad, like everybody of course
made her the villain in that story when she did
nothing wrong. So I think this lady's really gone through it,
and hopefully this is think about that. That would upset
me too if someone was just like, oh, you're still
alive and I'm going to make a movie about your
side of the story like that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's like not cool. No, definitely enough people. I guess
people do that all the time with books and stuff
like that. Like it's just I could understand that you
would feel visibly upset about that.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, this is like you know, that show The Crown
was incredible. And then Megan Markle was like, if you
say anything about us, I'm gonna sue you Netflix. And
I'm like, yeah, oh, like you wish you were a
character on a show that had all these awards. Get
a life. Okay, let's go on this next one. So
the FDA is issued a warning after Celsius energy drink
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cans were accidentally filled with vodka.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's more alarming, like how this happened.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I feel like there had to be some major break
in whoever was checking at the plant, like wherever they
are filling these things and canning them, because don't you
think this would happen all the time. They're trying to
blame the packaging supplier for sending the wrong cans to
High Noon, who accidentally filled the Celsius cans.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
With their vodka product.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
And now they've had to recall all these cans of
Celsius and high Noon because they got filled with the
wrong drinks.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So I'm really curious how they figured this out.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, first of all, I just want to say, the
packaging doesn't look anything. They're not even similar looking. So
nobody at the high Noon plant was like, these aren't
our cans.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
They look I don't know that it's I don't know
that that's how it works. Like listen, I'm just and
I have no idea how these things work. I'm just
gonna give you an example of my only experience with this. Remember,
I went on, like you know, in Pennsylvania you could
go on a tour of the Herze potato chip factory. Yes,
And I went there and I was surprised that in
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one room they were packaging tostitos. That's what they're called, right,
the chips that are one room was toastedos on one machine,
and then like on the other side of the room
there was another machine that had packaging from Wegmans that
was the same kind of chips, tortilla chips. And I
(12:51):
was just like, wow, this is weird. Is this just
the same kind of chips that go into each bag?
And you just pay more for whatever's on the bag. Yeah,
But like the people that work at Hers, I assume
just get the delivery of the packages and they put
it on the machine and start doing it. So it's
like and Hers is a different situation. Like these canning companies.
(13:15):
They might have huge warehouses that do soda and all
this other stuff too, Like the workers just get what
they're supposed to get and like fill it. It might
not just be like specifically for that one brand, you
know what I mean. That's what I'm trying to say.
Wrong shipments can happen all the time. I don't know
what happened. I'm just curious, like, did it get discovered
(13:37):
after someone purchased it and figured it out? Is that
when it got discovered? I don't know, But.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Well it got distributed because they're saying.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Exactly, So that's what I'm thinking. Like someone called them
and was just like okay, like I just drank your
product and it has vaka in it and I'm like
feeling it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, So it's that the products were shipped to retailers
in Florida to New York, Ohio, South Carolina, Virginia, and
Wisconsin between July twenty first and July twenty third, So
the astro Vibe Blue Jazz Blue Ras flavor of Celsius
has been recalled, as well as High Nun's Beach Variety packs.
So my question is, we know the vodka is in
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the Celsius cans, but did the Celsius get put in
the High Noon can?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yes? Okay, but the High Noon is saying that they're recalled,
but they're safe to drink, which I'm kind of like,
what about people with heart with heart conditions and stuff exactly, Like, yeah,
it's it's safe to drink, except that it's an energy
drink that you probably don't want if you have a
heart condition. And obviously, like children shouldn't be drinking the
(14:45):
energy drinks either, But I know sometimes not sometimes, every
single time we go on a road trip, Gabe always
buys the disgusting red bull. I can't even stand the
smell of it. It's just just so gross, but he
drinks it because like we have to drive ten hours
or whatever. But like people do that, right, you get
it at the comedience store. Like what if you're drinking
(15:05):
that and then all of a sudden you feel like
a buzz? Well, yeah, I mean, I wonder if that's
what happened. I mean, listen, they have like four point
five percent alcohol in them, which is equivalent to like
less than a beer. Right, It's it's not a lot.
And I could say I've drank high nuons before, but
(15:27):
they don't taste anything like what an energy drink would take.
I guess they taste so similarly.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They taste so differently, but you wouldn't know that unless
you had both. Right, So, like let's say you had
a high Noon for the first time, you might not
realize it's an energy drink versus the drink and vice versa.
But the lot codes are listed online, so I advise
you go check those and make sure if you've bought
any of these drinks in between this time, and just kiss.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
You if you brought the high Noon in a cooler
to the beach to sit there all day and like
get drunk and you drank like three or four of
them and didn't get anything.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Or you had a heart attack because you just drank
for any exact exactly what happened to me. So I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Like, no, it's interesting because like a lot of like
in hindsight, we could look and be like, oh, i'd
be able to tell the difference. But if you're drinking
what it says is in the can, wouldn't you just
be like I don't know why. I'm just like not
getting drunk at all. I just don't feel it, but
like my heart's about to pound out of my chest.
Like that's why I'm really curious, like how it got discovered.
(16:33):
Did someone drink for them and go to the emergency
room with like heart palputations and a caffeine overdose, or
did someone crash their car because they thought they were
drinking and energy drink and it was really vogue. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So even last week, I feel like it was on Thursday.
I have two coffees every single day. I have one
right when I wake up, and then I have one
in the early afternoon, and then I have my early
afternoon one. And I texted Rickie and I was like,
I feel like I can run around the neighborhood twenty
five times. It was that gross, you know, I explain it,
and this sounds idiotic, Like your blood is hard, like
(17:08):
everything just stiffens in your body and your heart's pounding.
That's how I feel when I have like a caffeine overdose.
It is the grossest feeling in the world. It hasn't
happened to me in so long, but I just imagine
drinking a couple of these, thinking it's just a vodka drink,
and then you're just all of a sudden, like, what
is wrong with me? What is happening? This is the
worst feeling ever.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
This sucks for anybody that had to go through it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Wait, so let me tell you the funniest meme that
I've been seeing going around like for this. It's like
it's like from the original Willy Wonka in the Chocolate
Factory movie from like the seventies or eighties whenever that
came out, and it's Charlie Bucket holding up the Golden ticket,
and it's like me hoping that I get the Celsius
(17:52):
with the vocket. It's like so funny.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
This episode is brought to you by the Grossroom.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Guys. We did hul Cogan death to section this week.
I'm not sure what we're gonna do next week. The
celebrities have been dropping like flies around here, so maybe
somebody will die this week. If not, we might do
some stories that we've had on the back burner for
The Grossroom Live. We did an hour episode but I
guess we call it an episode last week, and we
(18:28):
talked about lots of different things that are going on
in the Grossroom and just anything that members want to
talk about. But we also talked about that horrible story
of that couple that got murdered in front of their children,
as well as the sarrogacy scandal I guess you would say,
or the loophole in the sarrogacy that a sex offender
(18:48):
was able to create a child through sarrogacy and is
now a parent and was able to bypass all that.
So check that out in the Grossroom.
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Speaker 1 (19:04):
Okay, this is a cool story.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the world's oldest baby has been born after a
couple adopted an embryo that was frozen in nineteen ninety
four and now the baby was just born on July
twenty sixth.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Another good meme that's been going around is just like,
imagine that you could have had a cool childhood growing
up in the nineties and now you were born into
this this kid's this kid should be your age.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, so this this embryo does have a thirty year
old sister. So the history behind this was that embryo
was originally created in nineteen ninety four to a couple.
They ended up getting four embryos in total, and they
had one which resulted in a daughter who is also
now the mother of a ten year old herself, so
that's kind of cool. So they divorced and the mother
was awarded custody of the embryos. She eventually found out
(19:51):
about this embryo adoption program went forward with that. So
now this couple had adopted that embryo and they had
their transfer day last November, and now they have.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Given birth to the baby. So this baby is born
and is now already an uncle to a ten year old. Yeah, basically,
it's so weird. It's like this story is so just
like really hard to process. So this is a question
that I want to ask you. They the husband, her
(20:24):
and the husband got divorced, right, yeah, and she won
custody of embryos, which is just weird to think of
because they are humans. Which now it's a human, So
this guy now has another kid walking around that. I mean,
(20:45):
like he didn't have any say over if that was
going to be made into another human or not. I
don't know. That's why I feel about that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
That would have had to been discussed in the custody
agreement because when you go through IVF, there is so
much paperwork attached to it with what happens to the
embryos and what's to happen if you have leftovers and
how long they keep them. I mean, you have to
pay for them to be in storage.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
But if the wife had costody all the embryos, then
like in my opinion, like the guy, the actual like
DNA father wouldn't have been involved at all. Yeah, he
would have had.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean, he would have had the sign off that
she could do whatever she wanted with them. Because there
was a really uh like not high profile necessarily because
I don't know how much is well known information, but
I've talked about it on here before with Sophia and Vigara,
the actress, her and her ex husband had some embryos
and after they got divorced, he had wanted to go
forward and have them with either by himself or with
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his new wife or girlfriend or whatever, and she did
not want that, and then they ended up going to
court over it, and the embers were destroyed as a result,
so you have.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
To that's I mean, I don't blame her for that
at all. No, I mean you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
When you go through this process, there is so much
paperwork involved detailing exactly what happens in pretty much every
single scenario.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
So it's actually kind of weird that, Like I could
see in a normal person that you would want to
do something like that because IVF is so expensive, But
when you're a person that's multi millionaires, it don't you
think it's a little weird that he got he I
believe they only got divorced because she didn't didn't she
like not want to have kids or something.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well, that was with Jomayan Janella, who was her husband
after him her second husband, oh okay, maybe her third.
I don't know it was that break up. I'm not
that same guy.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm mixing up husbands then, No, But regardless, like like,
why would why would someone want to have a baby
of the X?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, I guess it's like you've already gone through it
all and it's expensive. I don't know what this guy
was trying to do. I think in some and I'm
not saying this is what he was doing. I think
in some cases it could be nefarious, like you want
to go forward and have this baby and then go
after the other parent for child support.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
But that's why they cover it all, and that just
like creepy, Like I'm not over this person. I don't know,
Like it's like I'm sir. Money isn't an object with
these people. I mean, I understand, like whatever ibfs, like
thirty thousand dollars or forty thousand dollars a pop or
whatever it is, but like that's that's like four one
hundred dollars sauce, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Like it's just yeah, I don't really yeah, I don't
really know. But I think the point of this story
is it's kind of coming up about how there's a
lot of I don't know if this is the right word,
but like I don't want to say waste necessarily because
I don't their they're lives, right, But there's a lot
of embryos that aren't able to be implanted in people
(23:47):
and they end up getting destroyed. So I guess they're
really encouraging people to have extra embryos to try to
put them up for adoption so they at least come
to fruition and they're not just destroyed. So I can
see that. But at the same time, not everybody going
through it is going to be comfortable with their biological
child going to somebody else.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, and I know someone that's in a situation like
that that there's extra embryos and but but like that
also puts into account that their children would have full
biological siblings somewhere else, and that might put complexity into
(24:30):
the child's life. I mean, that could be a great
thing to find out that you have a sibling later
in life, or even to know about it your whole life,
but it also it adds complexity, and well, I'm wonderful
might not want to induce that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
I wonder about it with twenty three and me right
when these tests start coming out and you start revealing
all these infidelities that happened over the last couple of
decades that were never previously revealed. But this adds that
extra level of complex like, oh, no, I had extra
embryos and I wanted to donate them, so you do
have a full blooded sibling out there. But I did
(25:07):
the right thing. There was no fair or anything like that.
But it's I mean, we're just gonna see this with
IVF over time. It's I think IVF is such a
hot topic right now, and it's kind of hard to
believe that it first happened in the late seventies. I
have a hard time even computing that it's that far back,
and to see that a baby that was frozen or
(25:28):
I guess people a lot of people working in the
field don't want you to call an embryo a baby
because it's not like a fully developed baby, so I
shouldn't use that terminology. To see an embryo developed from
nineteen ninety four and come to fruition in twenty twenty
five is kind of insane scientifically, and it's really awesome
that they're even able to do that, it really is.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's just like it's I just can't really wrap my
brain around around it. It's all. It's just kind of
weird to think. I mean, I guess every per and
that goes through IVF, though to some extent, unless you're
getting the thing put in you right away, is like
you're kind of messing with the dates of when it
(26:13):
would actually it was supposed to be born, when it
was created kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, because there's there's fresh and frozen transfers, so I
actually think most people go through frozen transfers, so at
some point that embryo is frozen. And yeah, you are
just not on the same timeline because I think even
after you do the retrieval and the time it takes
for the embryos to develop, you're just still off course
(26:39):
from when it would happen naturally. And then people can
get you know, I've seen stories where people get like
fifteen embryos or something crazy off of one yield. So
then they're just kind of sitting there. Yeah, and you
have to I wonder if this woman you have to
pay for the storage for them every year, So like
I wonder if this woman was paying the storage fee
(27:00):
every singing a lot. I think it's a couple hundred
dollars a year. I mean, that's not cheap for a
lot of people. I guess it's just I mean, this
isn't even anywhere on the same level. But like when
I had the kids breast milk in the freezer, right like,
even when they were totally off of it, I still
had some left and it was in the freezer and
(27:20):
I just was like, I can't throw this out, Like
I didn't throw it out for like years because I
was like, I feel weird throwing this out, like it's
the same it's it's the same kind of thing, Like
you're you're gonna pay for it, because it's not even
the same kind of thing. It's on a totally different level.
But like if you don't pay for it, they're gonna
get destroyed, right, So like you have to do it, yeah,
(27:40):
because you like in the paperwork, it addresses every possible scenario,
like what happens if you don't pay, like if you
can send to them being donated or whatever like that.
So I do think it's cool because the couple that
ended up adopting the embryo had been trying for seven years.
So it's definitely a nice story to see because I
(28:00):
can't even imagine how terrific that is, just like that's
such an incredibly long time to be going through something
like that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Jeez.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
All right, So let's talk about this study with breast
implants and heart disease.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
All right, So this is a study. It's not really
unnecessarily a study, but it's a case report that I
came across that I wanted to share with you. Guys.
It was done in the Journal of American College and Cardiology.
Case reports a fifty year old woman. She presented with
symptomatic sinoatrial node dysfunction. So that sinoatriol or SA node
(28:35):
is considered to be like the natural pacemaker of the heart,
and when there is a problem with that, it could
give you an atypical heartbeat, or an irregular heartbeat, or
an a arrhythmia. So they started working her up to
see exactly like what was causing her to have this,
and during the work up they found out that she
(28:58):
had silicone breast implants that were had leaked. And not
only did it get within her lymph no tissue that
they buy up seed and saw underneath of the microscope.
They were able to see this material under the microscope
that was foreign material consistent with silicone, but also it
was within the heart muscle as well. And it's the
(29:21):
first described case of this happening. But I just thought
it was kind of cool to tell you guys about.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
So do you think that everybody with breast implants is
at risk of this or this is just a really
unusual sn I just think I think they think that
it's an unusual scenario. One of the things that they
were bringing up was was basically, you know, if you
do have breast implants, it can trigger inflammatory syndromes, and
(29:47):
in this case, it's that's been described before in other
parts of the body, but it just was interesting that
it affected the heart as well in this woman. So
they took the silicone breast implants out and they she
didn't get really much better until they put her on
(30:08):
some high dosage immune drugs as well as steroids, and
that was able to kind of get it a little
bit under control. Sorry, I just lost my train of
thought I was thinking about because she's pretty young, being
only fifty years old, so I wouldn't think, you know,
just thinking about breast implants and things like that. I
(30:30):
believe that the ones that were really known to leak
came out well before this woman was of age to
get breast implants. So I'm just curious of what kind
of particular implant because that was a really big thing
back in the seventies and eighties with leaking silicone breast implants,
(30:50):
which is why, like speaking of Pam Anderson in this episode,
I feel like she always had Remember there was this
period of time with the breast implants that everyone was
getting sale and they just had this very like like
water balloon look to them. They just didn't really look
very natural and stuff because everybody was so scared of silicone.
But then they switched over to a better kind of silicon.
(31:13):
So she's just in a like a weird age group.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
To be having something like this. But I don't know
if she had them in this country or whatever. I
don't know any of that, but it's just curious, and
I mean, the we wrote a whole entire in the
Grosser Room, a high profile dissection on silicone breast implant
illness or just breast implant illness in general, and how
(31:40):
it's not really recognized for the most part by the
medical community, but there's just so many people who swear
that they're having problems with them. And there's definitely been
document case documentation in some cases of lymphoma's associated with
some I believe, I don't know if it was implants
(32:03):
or tissue expanders, but regardless that, that's like a really
interesting read. We went through all of the different associations
and case studies of people that were claiming to have
breast implant on this.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
All right, Let's wrap up with this story, which is insane.
During the bar exam, a graduate went into our favorite
term cardiac arrest while the test was going on, and
they did not stop the test.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
All right, So, I don't know I could go both
ways on this. I guess it was. Is the bar
exam two days? It seems like it was two days,
and it was at the end of the second day
of the test.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It was before the lunch break. They said it happened
minutes before the lunch break, which is why they're justifying
not stopping the test. But the people taking the test
are arguing, how am I supposed to concentrate when they're
trying to revive a woman that's having a medical emergency
in front of me.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
This is the thing, though, when you take a test
like the bar Exam, it's like it's a big deal,
studying for months, all of that stuff, and it's very
regulated as far as how many minutes people get to
sit there. There's just like all these regulations for it.
So if you go and stop the test on the
(33:26):
second day in the middle of the day, when there's
only half of a day left to take the test,
then every single person there would have to retake the
test over again. They're not going to let you just
like finish another day that part.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
No, I think they should have stopped the test. If
it was only a couple minutes out, they should have
stopped it when she shared having the episode and said,
everybody leave and come back after lunch, and then they
should have added those minutes on the end of that
second half of the day and gave everybody like an
hour or two to calm down instead of trying to
(34:03):
work through the rest of the part they were on
while this woman's like getting revived next to them.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
How are you possibly supposed to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
And ar you?
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I understand that, but guess what, Like I look at
it like if this let's pretend this was doctors taking
a medical board, right and they were saying the same thing.
It's just kind of like, well, guess what. In real
life when you're a doctor, prepare to be frazzled, Prepare
to have things thrown at you that you have to
think on your feet and be like, oh my god,
(34:34):
I have to ignore this totally crazy thing that's happening
right now and like focus on my job. The same
could be said about lawyers, right, Like that chick that
was a public defender that got called to be Brian
Coberger's lawyer and had to deal with him every single day,
and the nightmare she probably has every single night because
she's seen the autopsy pictures and like looked at that
(34:55):
guy's eyes and everything else. Like you have to be
kind of like mentally stronger than to let that side
noise that doesn't even affect you or your life at all,
to get in the way of you like concentrating on
your test.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, but I think if somebody had a medical emergency
in the middle of the courtroom, they would stop court
and put everybody on recess.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, but it doesn't matter. We're not talking about that.
We're just talking about in general, like side things that
happened to you.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
That so totally, But like seeing autopsy pictures is a
lot different than like seeing somebody possibly die right in
front of you while you're like in the middle of
a high stress test in general, So like, yeah, you
could see both.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You're a different person. Like you go to the Maryland
House on a road trip and see someone have a
heart attack in front of you, and it ruins your vacation,
Like it.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Didn't ruin my vacation. I just said, I don't want
to go back there again.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
I'm just saying, like you get really affected by things,
and like you work around death.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
It's different, Like not all lawyers are with criminal cases.
A lot of them work in like construction laws. So
she just her heart just I'm just saying it's jarring
as a lay person seeing a person medical episode.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Listen, this is what they this is what they should do.
They shouldn't either, I mean I do. I do disagree
with the fact that they should have just been like,
nothing to see here, let's go on. The test must
go on, right, Like they should have said to people, like, listen,
if you want, if you want to retake the test,
you can.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I'm I don't think they need to retake the whole test.
I'm saying they should. If it was ten minutes before lunch,
they should have said, go to lunch right now while
we handle this, and we're gonna add ten minutes on
the second half of the day.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, but they were they could have possibly been in
the middle of a section of a test.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah, but this is a special circumstance. Like I don't
think they need to retake the entire test. I think
they just needed to like let them leave and not
watch her be real in the middle of the room.
They could have given her some privacy. It's made them
sit there.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
With you just because I know, like just because I've
taken a test like this, especially for for my certification
and stuff like that. It's just so it's so regulated
and just to think like you would leave in the
middle of it and go back like I don't. I
don't really know what to say, because also none of
(37:27):
these people are going to be complaining when they get
their bar results back if they passed, but if they didn't,
then they're going to be like, no, I want that
number or rate. I don't. I don't know, Like it's
just it's kind of an unforeseen circumstance and no matter
what they did, is like just sucks. I mean, most
of the time people don't drop dead in the middle
of taking a test.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Like that, Like they should be given a pardon if
they passed, to redo it without penalty, because I think
you're only allowed to take it like twice and if
you don't pass, Oh.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, they definitely they definitely should in that case. And
is it is it like a pass foul test or
is it based upon a score like is it better
if you get a higher score. I don't really know.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It Isn't it a score like EL would say one
to seventy nine?
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well you, yeah, but that might just be you need
a certain score to ensure you're gonna pass.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, I don't think you're graded like A through F
But I think if you're over a certain number, then
you've passed. But if you're under, then you It's just
it's just like a very unusual circumstance.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
It is.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But I don't know, Like I don't think, yeah, I
just think they could have maybe been like, you don't
need to sit here and watch this woman be resuscitated
by e a mess while you're in the middle of
taking this test that's defining your future. You can just
leave a couple of minutes earlier, go out of the
room and come back or something. I don't know. Okay, guys,
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Say, guys, thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death.
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I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy
and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I
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Always remember that science is changing every day and the
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