July 13, 2023 • 35 mins
Modern Family star Jesse Tyler Ferguson sits down with Elvis and dishes on the final moments filming the beloved sitcom, making friends with Allison Janney, and his new podcast 'Dinner's On Me.'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I love how nervous you are about this. It's literally
you're doing the exact same thing, just for longer.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Let me start with the intro part and we'll jettison
into whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You want to do.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey, thank god you're here. It's another one.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
What's it called.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Thinking out loud? Here? You are so glad you're listening.
And I'll tell you why everyone loves Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
You love him on Modern Family. Of course, he just
finished up doing Take Me Out on Broadway, which is
an amazing funny play. He was great in that. But
now he's got his podcast called Dinners on Me, and
I want to talk to him about that and find
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out who does he think he is doing a podcast
interviewing people, That's what I do. He's an actor, he
reads scripts. But you know what, it's a very good podcast,
and he's got a lot of star power in Los
Angeles to pull out people that we dream of having.
On this one, we're going to talk about things he's
afraid of, like doing a podcast, doing things he's never
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done before, being in front of a live audience. Also,
my favorite part of this will be when you hear
him talk about what it was like wrapping up eleven
seasons of modern Family. It's a story that I don't
think it has ever been told, and we hear it here today.
It's fantastic. Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hello, Hello, podcast friend.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You know you have a podcast. You're going to teach
me how to do a podcast? Exactly where do we start?
Where do we start?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Where do we start? Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, first you set up your phone like you just did,
and you start a timer. Yes, and you make sure
that you can talk for at least forty five minutes?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Is it forty five? No?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
How long are your podcast? We go like thirty to
forty five?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Okay, see, mind's a little longer the way that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So, yeah, do you want me to just like launch
it and tell you, like, well, my Batley podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I want you to do the podcast. I'll just say to.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do the podcast for you, just say that's why I'm here.
I see, thanks for showing up.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Ye. Yeah. So when you first started doing dinners on me,
that's right, did anyone look at you and go, okay,
we're in the podcast world. Listen, here's what we think
you should do. And they gave you a little background.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Right, we'll get you so that this concept was actually
brought to me. It was it was something that was
pitched to me.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I never wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I never thought I would do a podcast. That never
was I wasn't looking to do one. I was about
to say I didn't want to do one, but that's
not true because I'm actually doing one and I'm enjoying
it immensely. But it was a concept that sort of
existed in the brains of these producers over at Sony
and Neon Hum and they thought I might be a
good idea to match up with it, and so they
pitched this idea to me, and I really liked it.
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It takes it sort of straddles the world of the
culinary world and in a long form interview with a celebrity.
So I take these groups different people out to I'll
say groups of people, but it's only one on one.
But there's a group of people that I have taken
out to different restaurants, and we just have a really
nice conversation over a great meal, and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
We talked about the restaurant we're at. We talked about
the chef.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You hear us order you hear us talk about the
food we're eating, but then beyond that, it's just a
really great conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So backing up, when you have friends at the house, yeah,
do you refine yourself in just regular conversation interviewing them?
I mean, do you have interview conversations. I have many
friends who are like I feel like I'm being interviewed sometimes,
but they're just great conversationalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, are you
that way?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But now that I have this job, I find myself
not like practicing on my friends, but like, you know,
definitely trying to get into that mode of like delving
further into an idea than I might have before. It
has made me a more curious person for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. I have this one friend who's a restaurant owner
in Santa Fe. Okay, he just sold it, but anyway,
he would come out to each and every table and
he would put his hand on your shoulder. Yeah, and
just he would start. It was like a magical moment
with him.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was his name?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
He owned the bull Ring, the Steake Cash what elevis? Yeah,
where have you been? I said, Well, you know, we
were on vacation last week's we weren't in it. Where'd
you go? Yeah, and then it begins we were in Maui.
I love Maui, my daughter got married, there were you?
Where are you in Mali? And then it begins.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's like politicians are the same way. They they figure
out like something that you have in common and they
latch onto that and they are great conversationalists mostly.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I uh. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Julie Bowen always had this phrase that she would say,
you know, a conversa you want a conversation highway? Right now,
we're in a conversation culd a sac like we went
a highway right, you know. And she's a great conversationalist.
She was my first guest on my podcast actually, and
I was so relieved that she was because she could
literally hold a two hour conversation with the tree Like
she's just like she's inquisitive, and she's like even if
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she's not getting a lot back from you, she's gonna like,
you know, just keep the conversation going. And she's just
a great conversationalist. So I love that that concept of
finding a conversation highway.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know. I spoke with Mo Rocca. We were talking
about this earlier on the previous podcast, and he was
going to do an interview with Eva Maurice Saint okay,
and he had heard that she just wasn't the best conversations.
He's like, oh great, here we go, Okay, I have
to do an interview with someone who doesn't like to
be interviewed. So he said, what I thought of doing
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in a brilliant idea. He was looking at her bio
or whatever. He discovered she was born on July fourth, okay.
So his opening question was what was it like celebrating
your birthday with fire tis? And she immediately opened up.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
The smile came on her face. She said, you know what,
that's so great. You asked me that my dad used
to tell me those fireworks for me for my birthday
and so and then it'd be great icebreaker.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know. It's so interesting because.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You, as as someone who gets interviewed a lot, you
do hear a lot of the same questions over and
over and over. And that's not a fault of the
interviewer like that. These are questions that I think people
want to know. But there does become a point where
you're like, oh my god, how how do I answer
this question?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
In a new way.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So when you find that's a great example of the fireworks,
like something that she probably had never been asked before,
and it was immediately prompted a fresh answer and then
a great conversation I'm sure follow it afterwards. And so like,
I'm trying to do the same thing with these people
who I'm sitting down with, and you know, I get
like six pages of research on them, and I can
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kind of tell just from the research that's done, like
what they've probably talked about a lot. And it's not
that I want to avoid those those topics completely, but
I want to find a different way into them or
find like maybe an angle that they haven't come out
that story from. So that's sort of my job before
sitting down with these people. And then every once in
a while, you'll get someone who has done very few interviews,
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and that's really exciting because it's like, oh, I got
to sort of like see what this person's all about
and hopefully introduce some facts about this person to the world.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Being interviewed is a that is the most frightening thing
in the world to me, because I mean, I'm always
the interviewer, yeah, always, So when I had a book
come out several years ago. I had to go out
and do the press this and that, and I would
I would get nervous. It was weird having the tables turned.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'm the exact opposite way, Like it's it's a new
thing for me to be the interviewer. So yeah, I
totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And then the other argument is, well, you are a
guy who reads scripts and sometimes ask to improv off
scripted material and there's an outline for what they want
you to do in front of a camera or whatever.
Now there is no script. I mean you could have
prep and some research, right, there's no script.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's it's improv You're improving for over an hour, and
that's scary to like kind of fly without an at
I love having a script, you know. I I don't
know if I am the greatest improver, but I do
feel like I am a good conversationalist.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, and that's it, It's just a conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Another thing I love about interviewing people when you find
the great storytellers, Yes, they really understand the concept of
here's the opening picture exactly, here's the meat and potatoes,
and then dessert and payoff great storytellers. We can't get
enough of those.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Tell me a story, you want me to tell you
a story.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know it doesn't work that way, but yeah, people
who have that magical way of telling the story. My
dad was an unbelievable storyteller and it was always humorous.
It was always like down home Texas. And I never
could really master that, and he never really was. He
wanted to be proud of his son. The guy who
could tell the story. Never could, right, So I went
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into radio instead.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
My grandpa he is, you know, was. He's no longer
with us, but he's Irish and he but just he was.
That says a effeck right there. He was. He was
the guy that would always stand up and like tell
a limerick or reside a poem or tell a really
great story after, you know, at dinner. And so I
feel like I have a little bit of him and
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me for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, Okay, in addition to acting, you said earlier, you've
done other things. You hosted a James several James Beard events.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes, the James Beards are basically like the Oscars for
the culinary. And it's so funny because I made that
reference during the event that I hosted for them, but
I called I called the Emmys the James Beards of
the TV world. Okay, appreciate it, I'm sure, because you know,
they're always being compared to, like you know, the Oscars
are the Emmys. But anyways, it was It's a room
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full of just the top of the top of the
people in the culinary world, chefs and restauranteurs and small
a's and it was a very fancy room to be
in and a group of people who I respect immensely,
and hosting that that event for them that meant so
much to them was really nerve wracking.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well that's why I wanted to go there. So when
you don't have a script there, but they have, they
have an outline what they want you to do.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I definitely scripted some stuff for myself.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, but you're up there and it is it's a
live crowd nerve wrecking, really, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And it was the first time sort of doing like
a big hosting a big awards show. It wasn't televised,
of course, but like I was in a big auditorium
and it was you know, I was managing the audience
and keeping things moving and it was really fun and
it would do terrified. I did very well. Yeah, yes,
well they had me back twice because I did so good.
So I know I did a good job. And I
can't say that with confidence and I'm not being an egomaniac.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I did a very very good job.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, good for you. I mean, live audiences scare the
shit out of it.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh they're terrified.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I mean, we'll host our big jingle ball concerts at
Radio City Musical or no, no, at the Madson Square Gardens.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Sure, I've been to one of those jingle balls.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The thing is about those is everyone's in the dark.
There's fifty thousand of them. It doesn't matter. But if
you're in a room.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Full of people you who are actually paying attention, Yeah,
we'll talk about like that's what theater is mean, people
actually paying attention to what you're saying. But you know
it's scripted again, so exactly, and I rehearsed well for it.
But going up on rehearse scripted is it's terrifying. Did
you watch Jury Duty?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Absolutely, we had we had him on you Donald on yes,
six six Donald, he was the Nico.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And what I mean, I just I would love to
meet him. He's so wonderful and sweet and the heart
of that show. But that you know, I thought a
lot about that show was completely improvided, improvised based, and
you know, these these actors, who are all great medians
and greatizers, were brilliant, like went with whatever story they
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thought they needed to go with. But like I had
such anxiety as an actor watching that because like I
was looking at James Marsden, who is a great improviser
as well, but like he was the most like kind
of I guess, you know, if you're going to categorize
one of them as like, uh uh, mostly an actor,
it was you know him, like he's not necessarily that's
not where he lives in Breeze and in the improv world,
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and I was just having so much anxiety for him
having to sort of like navig gate that storyline for
ten episodes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I thought it was so well done.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I love that it was, you know, And to hear
the background story as we were talking to Donald about Donald.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right and Ronald Ronald Ronald, I think I said, Donald, Okay,
well I threw you off.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Follow your lead. But James on as well the day
before and they were talking about how well you know
it was edited beautifully, beautifully because you know, every once
in a while, Ronald Donald Ronald would get like something
was so strange would happen it wasn't real and he
could yes, so they would. They would purposefully make the
court proceedings long and boring to.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Like outweigh yeah, the ridiculousness.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You can't just go crazy situation after crazies and someone
would be like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But they said they would. They would go three or
four hours.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Of just mundane yeah, wow, to counteract and the ridiculousness.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But look how brilliant it turned out.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And it turned out great, and obviously like we're not
using any of this, any of this three hours of
mundane ness.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Just go back to James Beard for a second. Do
you follow? I mean, are you familiar with his work
and who he was? Did you ever go to his
townhouse for dinner?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I'm aware of all of it, but I haven't.
I don't know a ton about him. I mean, I've
learned a little bit when I was hosting that the
awards themselves, but I don't know a ton.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I read a little bit about him in a bio
that was written and if I were. If I were
an actor, I would I would want that. I would
want to be James Beard. Of course, he was like
eight feet tall and fifteen feet wide and bigger than
life guy. But you know, I don't think anyone's ever
tried to tackle that role.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
No, no, are you? Are you suggesting I perhaps.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It would take a lot of makeup, it would have
to thicken you up a lot. But he's just He's
just one of those roles. I'm not an actress. Who
am I to say this, but that just seems like
a juicy juicy Oh my god, just tell all about
this guy, because he had a crazy off the grid
live right that was he was very famous for here
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right right right. Are there any people in history or
any people that we're all familiar with that you often think, God.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
You know the one that comes up a lot, And
it's I think it's because I portrayed him sort of
in an episode of Modern Family or they they they
said that I resembled him in an episode, But it's
Vincent van Gogh.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You do, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And I went to the Art Institute when I was
actually hosting James Beard Awards, I went to the Art
Institute of Chicago, and that's where his portrait is housed.
And I took a photo of myself next to his
portrait and put on like my Instagram page, and I
just like that took it to a whole other level, like.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Did you see do you see it? Though?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I do see it?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
William Dafoe just recently play him, And I can't remember
who was biopic. I think it's sort of been done already.
But you know that seems like something that there's probably
a story there. I could see myself playing Vincent van Gogh.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But well, if you have to do more than just
look like there's yeah, no true, you can create your
own Vincent.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but the base of it's there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So what's going on in Hollywood? Now? There's a writer
strike going.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
To riders strikes? We're both doing podcasts?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah? Really? No or in dividing when you're hearing this,
maybe they all worked it all out.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't when is this going to air? In like
a few days? I think we got I think we're
safe to say it's still going on.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So give me your feeling about how it is being
an actor? Yeah, and did indeed this podcast you're doing
come from it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Did not did not come from the rider strike.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's a happy accident that I have something to focus
on during the writer's strike.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I I was in Los Angeles. I just moved to
Los Angeles and the Writer's strike of two thousand and
eight last one, and I was I had just finished
a series called The Class that ran I think nineteen episodes,
and it was canceled, and then the rider strike happened.
So I was had uprooted my life and moved to
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LA and I was, you know, with the intention of
after this my show was canceled, I was going to
stick around and just sort of like, you know, see
what could happen for me in Los Angeles since I'd
already made roots there. And then it was like nine months.
I think it was one hundred days. I don't know
how many months it works.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It was right around hundred days. But you know, there
was just nothing. There was nothing at all, and it
was a little scary.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
How did you survive?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I had saved some money from the the the series
I had done. I was not paid super well because
it was my very first TV show, so my quote
was extremely low. But I I I think I might
have borrowed some money from a friend. And then also
I was going back to how to New York rather
than doing some workshops of different theater projects, which you know,
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kuching ku ching no.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Money in that. But you know, he.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Was keeping me artistically satisfied somewhat, and I kind of
feel like ready to throw in the towel and be like, okay,
well after this strike is resolved, that probably would end
up just moving back to New York. And then Modern
Family happened.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So in Wow, that was how many years? Eleven eleven seasons?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Eleven seasons.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, Now that it's in the rear view mirror
sort of, I mean, do you do you respect the
enormity of that show? I mean, Modern Family when you're
in it, I'm sure it's different than when you're.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Done with it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I don't know, Yeah, no it is. But it's also
you know, it's something that I think we all knew
was a special thing.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It was nice having Ed O'Neil being part of that
cast because he had been through an eleven year show
with married with children, and he was in like the
third act of his life, let's say, and he was
at a place where he didn't think this would ever
happen for him again. So to watch him, who in
my eyes, was this massive star, this icon of television
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be excited about something new was a telltale sign that
this is something to be excited about. I mean I
kind of followed his lead. He really seemed to take
each day and live it to its fullest and like,
really appreciate this work he got to do as someone
who is in his seventies and get this great role,
and also the acclaim that he had never received before
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I married with children.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He was nominated for.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Emmy Awards and really respected by his peers in a
way that I think he hadn't been before. And so
I looked to him a lot and let that sort
of appreciation reflect.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Back on me.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But we all knew, you know, I was the youngest
cast member of the adults, and then you know, the
next jump was down with Sarah Hiland, who played my niece.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But I was with a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Who had been in this business and varying degrees of
success for quite some time, and I think we all
kind of collectively agreed that this was a really special
thing and something that we needed to enjoy and like
really appreciate. It's like it's such a rare thing that's
like that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But eleven seasons. I mean, what was it like wrapping that?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh it was devastating and exciting at the same time.
You know, actors, I mean I should I'll speak for myself.
I was very eager to do other work and very
eager to play the roles. And you know, you were
playing this one person for eleven years and you know
that person so well. And as an actor, I like
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to be scared. I like to be nervous, and I
like to try things that excite me. This podcast is
a great example of it. You know, Toasting Extreme Makeover
Home Editions is another example. Doing a play on Broadway
where there's you know that you're acting without a safety
net is another thing that excites me. I was very
excited for these opportunities to come up, and then the
pandemic happened. So we wrapped the show and it was
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an incredibly emotional process. You know, on the last day,
they they they start at the at the bottom of
the call sheet with the younger cast member and say,
you know, that's a rap on Aubrey Anderson Emmons, who
played my daughter Lily, And that's a series wrap on Aubrey,
and everyone cheers for that person, and they get closer
and closer to your number, and you know that your
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numbers coming up and everyone's going to share for you.
And it's a very emotional thing ending with Ed O'Neill,
and then it's just like, well, now what do we do?
And like we sort of sat there and like drank
and had a party for like an hour, and then
people sort of I was like, but home, and for us,
we were like, well, we'll get to see each other
again in February or in March or April when the
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series finale is finally airing. We had planned to be
like all the whole cast is gonna be on Jimmy
Kimore or something together. It's like, you know, I'll al
we'll see you in a few months, seen in a
few months. And then the world shut down, and you know,
we didn't get that closure of actually kind of coming
together again and really celebrating this thing. We did because
the finale aired during the pandemic, and I'm so grateful
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that we were able to wrap shooting before everything shut down.
And so that there was actually closure to the art
form and for the fans as well, but as a cast,
we weren't able to have that closure, so that was sort.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Of there was some open wounds with that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And I'm actually Julie Bowen has met the first guest
on my podcast, and we both talked about like, how
are you feeling with this, like little wellness check? Yeah, yeah,
And I've seen almost every single cast member in some
form or another, not altogether, but I think I've seen
everyone in person since we wrapped, and but you know,
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we haven't all been together, and that sort of feels
like we don't have full closure with with you know,
wrapping up that process.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, let's totally mess this Up's stop the interview and
go behind the curtains.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
We were talking earlier about being interviewed and you're asked
the same questions over and over and over, so you
look for different exciting ways to answer differently. Have you
told that same story? Has anyone ever asked you any
about anything about wrapping up?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
No? No, oh really, I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
They asked us like what it was like to like
finish the show, and like what was that you know,
experience like and emotionally what was it?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But but you know, never, I guess I've never talked
about having finished it and then gone into a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But the way you told the story was great. It
was awesome about how they Okay, you're next up, You're
next up for the following line everyone. Yes, that was
just really really fantastic. Okay, back to the interviews you
this is like we're learning. I'm learning. It's all good.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
One of my favorite Hollywood stories the past few years.
Of course, it's been Jennifer Coolidge. When you say Jennifer Gills,
especially Gay goes. Yes, yes, we're all trying to kill her. She.
I mean, what an incredible story on many different levels.
I mean, we're talking about a woman in her her sixties, right,
who's just beautiful and fun and she's not new. She's
(23:05):
been around a long long time, long time, she's been
paying her dues and then of course here she is.
I mean you see her everywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, deservedly.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
She's just incredible, do.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You I know? Look that for myself. Do you know her?
I've met her, I don't know her.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
We need to know her.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I know, I feel like everyone needs to know. Jennifer's like,
I feel like Jennifer Clich.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Is like, oh man, I can't get to know all
of you, Like you know, She's like, oh geez, can
my Jennifer Clitch is not very good?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But then the all game in should have dinner at
in a Garden's house.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
She's like, she'd be so exhausted. I wish I could.
I don't want to do that and dinner.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Jennifer's Oh, yeah, fascinating. I heard she has two homes
in New Orleans. Oh really having one home in New
Orleans is wacky enough. And you two, do you have
any other just top of mind Hollywood stories that you
find fascinating people that you would love to meet or
talk to because they've done something like Jennifer Coolidge. Look
what she's done.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, that's a great example of someone that I've
I've been very lucky that I've gotten to meet people
and work with people that I have had that feeling about.
This is a great example because I was actually talking
about Jennifer Collidge with this person. But Jane Lynch has
become a friend of mine, love her, and it is great,
Oh the greatest. And I've just I've I've revered her
for so long and then we became friends. And then
(24:22):
I was doing a movie in Canada and it was
with all it was all kids in this film, and
so like I had nothing, no one to hang out
with after we wrapped, and Jane was also going to
do a part of this film, and she overlapped with
like for like three days, and I was like, Jane,
we have got to please have dinner with me.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And I really don't know her that well.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And another person that happened to be in town was
Alison Janney and so I like I reached out to her,
again don't know her very well, was like, Alison, I
need adult attention.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We please have dinner with me.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And so these are two people I just like I thought,
you know, I'm gonna cold call these people. I kind
of know them a little bit, but like not enough
to say, like, will you just sit down and have
a meal with me? And they both did and I
had a great time with both of them. And it
wasn't a meal together but two separate meals. But I
remember talking about white Lotus with Jane and she's like, oh,
(25:12):
I'm so happy for for Jennifer and I haven't watched
it yet, but I hear she's fantastic, and so I
just like the warl like for me, it was like
the Christopher Guests. World was like closing in on me
in a way that I found incredibly gratifying. You know,
all these people who had done these films that I
love someone.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
We had urgency in your voice and you called them.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Please, I did I need some adult I did. And
Allison was like number one on the call sheet for
this movie. She was doing night shoots and she was exhausted.
She's like, I have one day off, but I'd left
to have dinner with you. And I had a great
time with her. But you know, that's a perfect example
someone I revere and I adore and respect so much
and didn't know and have heard that she's just like
(25:52):
salt of the earth. And you know, I felt comfortable
reaching out and it was great, and you should.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But on that same level, have you ever been just
floored because someone who you totally admire comes up to
you and says, Jesse, I gotta say your work is
just phenomenal, and you walk away, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I mean it happened a lot for all of us
on Modern Family. Steven Spielberg was a huge fan of
the show and like talk to us in terms of
like being an uber nerd about it, like talking like
breaking down the comedy of different scenes, like he came
at it from a writer and director perspective, and I
was like, Wow, this is crazy. Steven Spielberg is breaking
down my work in front of me. That was wild,
(26:41):
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Julia Roberts gave me a hug once out of the
blue on a red carpet. I think she's like she
didn't recognize anyone. She felt like she was floundering all
of a sudden, like she's like, oh, there's someone I
can know. We don't know each other. She was a
must have watched My Modern Family, and she came up
and gave me the biggest hug, like she hadn't seen
me in forever, and it was the first time we
were meeting. The photo exists online and you just google
just a top of Ferguson and Julie Roberts.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And the last time you saw her, I thought you'd
be best friends by now.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, I'd love to know her, and I know people
who have worked with her and had such wonderful things
to say about her. But like those brushes have happened
a lot, and it's it's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So is there ever a time when you're alone in
the house, your husband's gone, it's just you.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I made the kids?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Are the kids? Kids?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Child? Right too?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Two children?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Congratulations?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You have the house to yourself and you're walking by
a mirror and you stop and you you look at
yourself in the mirror and go, you know, fuck, this
is a great life. This is this is pretty awesome.
Did you ever have those moments?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I usually walk by a mirror and be like, God,
I look old.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, Miley is good. I mean, is that something you do?
Are you? I do it? Everyone swans? I have to
stop myself and go, this is kind of great.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I'm a very I'm very grateful for everything that's happened
to me. I have a wonderful family, two great kids.
I'm I have my health, I have a career that
I'm very proud of. I'm excited to see where it
goes next. I am I'm very grateful. I am I
I of course, everyone always wants to do more than
they've been allowed to do, and I there's there's things
(28:12):
I still would like to do. And you know, for
for me, and I talk about this with Julie on
my podcast, but like and also we talked about talked
about with Jim Parsons and but people who have been
who have played roles for such a long amount of time,
there's amount of there's amount of work that you have
to do to crawl out from under that part. And
(28:33):
so you know, my my goal now for myself is
to distance myself from from Mitchell on modern Family and
to be able to give myself opportunities to be seen
in other ways. So that's you know, I think you
can stop and look at the mirror and be like,
I'm so grateful for my life. This is a wonderful thing.
But for me personally, I have I have to acknowledge
that I have to acknowledge how how much I've achieved.
(28:55):
Not proud of myself I am, but then I personally
need to like still find drive to to further that
at least right now. Some day maybe I'll like want
to retire, but I'm definitely I'm excited to see what
happens next.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Retire Oh God, people do it, apparently know then they
come back sometimes from the day, Uh Jesse Tyler Ferguson's
podcast is called Dinners on Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
Top of Mind. Some guests that are coming up that
we haven't heard yet.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Sure, we have Tracy Elis Ross coming out next week,
Pad Mlackshmi, Marcus Samuelson, Jim Parsons.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Marcus Samuelson is awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Isn't He's so interesting and the nicest guy. Yeah, such
a great guy.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I have Roy Choy some that the more chefs happy
people have, Marcus Samuelson, Pat Mclakshmi, Roy Choi who kind
of started the food truck movement in Los Angeles with
with Kogie Tacos and has a fantastic, really interesting story
dealt with addiction and it's like at the top of
this game now. And I found that in a conversation
(29:57):
to be wildly inspiring.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I have some more people from Modern Family coming up
that I can't mention yet but excited about.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah. Any really really great friends, like truly best friends
you've interviewed the reason?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean Jim Parsons is a very very close
friend of mine. He was at my wedding and we
became very good friends through working in the same field
together and you know, both being out gay actors in Hollywood,
and we came together sort of as it is Mafia,
the game.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Offa of course, the Pink Mafia. Yes, yes, yes, Well,
so the reason I'm asking you is I have found
and I think this is maybe very telling of me
and some issues I need to work on. I have
a difficult time interviewing people I know very well.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Me too, Okay, so you know what, I almost every
single person that I've interviewed this first season is someone
I know pretty well. I have some very old things,
like some of my oldest friends in Los Angeles are
are on the podcast coming up, Jim being one of them,
Elizabeth Banks, but I've just known for a very long time.
And I did find even with Julie Bow and I
know her so well, Like I was like, I don't know,
(31:07):
it's going to sound like we're just rehashing old stories,
right it is for a listener who maybe hasn't heard
all these stories. But that was the interesting challenge of
trying to find a different new in with these people
that I know so well.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'll give you a Charlie Pooth is a good friend
of mine.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, I love Charlie.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But as we got to know each other more and
more and more, I would have him in and what
do we talk about? It's I could lead him down
a road I know he can go down. But that
just seems kind of cheap and tawdry.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
But it's not because a listener wants to hear all that.
But they have to know that if they're sitting in
this room with how many cameras pointing at us, and
we're sitting in front of microphones and we have you know,
sound engineers, like we know that we're here for a reason.
That's not just a conversation. If we're sitting in your
office and we're having this conversation, you know, like helpous
you know if spout me already like I.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Can't do it. Yeah, So you know that that Jesse
and I don't know each other because this is a
great interview, it means just a piece of crap, like
what do we talk about? But I said this to
him in an interview. I told tru I can't interview you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Cut them off, say no, don't come back here, not
someone else interview you.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, thank you for being here today, Happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I want everyone to put it on what is it
your list? Your puppet notifications? Yes, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
You favored it?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
You favored it?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You like them?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
The tribe and review.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
We like reviews, reviews when there's five stars included. I
feel like people who like, go, I'm gonna put one
star and then write something really stark, and it's like,
what else could you do today?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Let's just so do you ignore them? Do? Do you
get one stars?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I will tell you I just recently looked at the
reviews on the Apple podcast and there are only five
star reviews. It's not that I have five stars, like
my average is like four point six because some people
just like push the star meter they don't like to
leave a review.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But everyone that's.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Actually stopped to write something has been really positive. So
I appreciate all these people who like and subscribe and review.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Okay, like subscribe and review. Dinners on the Dinner's on
Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson, And of course this podcast
is what they called thinking. It's thinking out Loud.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's what we did.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We should call it we thought out Loud. We should
call it. I don't know the name of.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
This podcast, untitled podcast projects know what were some of
the pitch.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It was off air, off air.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
That great one.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well, I don't know if you heard his mic. His
MIC's not on. It was Elvis Durant's contractually obligated because
it is they're forcing me to do this, but I'm
glad they are. I will. I will thank them one day,
especially for today.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Start up blog next can we get you to do Please.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Don't give them any ideas. Jesse Tider for an honor
to have you on today, and I can't wait to
listen to the rest of your twenty six party four
twenty four podcasts. Bring him on and in New York
versus la go.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh god, I mean if you have, if you really
put it into my head, it's out New.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
York Okay, thank you, have a nice day. Thank you,
Jesse Titer Ferguson. Thanks for being on with us. I
can't talk mark edit. Thank you, Jesse Tyter Ferguson. Don't
edit that, leave it all natural.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I like the first one.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Check out Jesse's podcast, Dinner Is on Me. He brings
in a lot of actors and celebrities that we love,
has dinner with them, opens them up, has great conversation.
He's great at what he does. You're gonna love it.
Thank you so much for listening to the show. Tell
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Sure you do?
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Elvis Durant.
I love how nervous you are about this. It's literally
you're doing the exact same thing, just for longer.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Let me start with the intro part and we'll jettison
into whatever.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
You want to do.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hey, thank god you're here. It's another one.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
What's it called.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Thinking out loud? Here? You are so glad you're listening.
And I'll tell you why everyone loves Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
You love him on Modern Family. Of course, he just
finished up doing Take Me Out on Broadway, which is
an amazing funny play. He was great in that. But
now he's got his podcast called Dinners on Me, and
I want to talk to him about that and find
(00:35):
out who does he think he is doing a podcast
interviewing people, That's what I do. He's an actor, he
reads scripts. But you know what, it's a very good podcast,
and he's got a lot of star power in Los
Angeles to pull out people that we dream of having.
On this one, we're going to talk about things he's
afraid of, like doing a podcast, doing things he's never
(00:56):
done before, being in front of a live audience. Also,
my favorite part of this will be when you hear
him talk about what it was like wrapping up eleven
seasons of modern Family. It's a story that I don't
think it has ever been told, and we hear it here today.
It's fantastic. Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Hello, Hello, podcast friend.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You know you have a podcast. You're going to teach
me how to do a podcast? Exactly where do we start?
Where do we start?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Where do we start? Are you serious?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, first you set up your phone like you just did,
and you start a timer. Yes, and you make sure
that you can talk for at least forty five minutes?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Is it forty five? No?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
How long are your podcast? We go like thirty to
forty five?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Okay, see, mind's a little longer the way that I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So, yeah, do you want me to just like launch
it and tell you, like, well, my Batley podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I want you to do the podcast. I'll just say to.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do the podcast for you, just say that's why I'm here.
I see, thanks for showing up.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Ye. Yeah. So when you first started doing dinners on me,
that's right, did anyone look at you and go, okay,
we're in the podcast world. Listen, here's what we think
you should do. And they gave you a little background.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Right, we'll get you so that this concept was actually
brought to me. It was it was something that was
pitched to me.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I never wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I never thought I would do a podcast. That never
was I wasn't looking to do one. I was about
to say I didn't want to do one, but that's
not true because I'm actually doing one and I'm enjoying
it immensely. But it was a concept that sort of
existed in the brains of these producers over at Sony
and Neon Hum and they thought I might be a
good idea to match up with it, and so they
pitched this idea to me, and I really liked it.
(02:39):
It takes it sort of straddles the world of the
culinary world and in a long form interview with a celebrity.
So I take these groups different people out to I'll
say groups of people, but it's only one on one.
But there's a group of people that I have taken
out to different restaurants, and we just have a really
nice conversation over a great meal, and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
We talked about the restaurant we're at. We talked about
the chef.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You hear us order you hear us talk about the
food we're eating, but then beyond that, it's just a
really great conversation.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So backing up, when you have friends at the house, yeah,
do you refine yourself in just regular conversation interviewing them?
I mean, do you have interview conversations. I have many
friends who are like I feel like I'm being interviewed sometimes,
but they're just great conversationalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, are you
that way?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
No?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
But now that I have this job, I find myself
not like practicing on my friends, but like, you know,
definitely trying to get into that mode of like delving
further into an idea than I might have before. It
has made me a more curious person for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Yeah. I have this one friend who's a restaurant owner
in Santa Fe. Okay, he just sold it, but anyway,
he would come out to each and every table and
he would put his hand on your shoulder. Yeah, and
just he would start. It was like a magical moment
with him.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Was his name?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
He owned the bull Ring, the Steake Cash what elevis? Yeah,
where have you been? I said, Well, you know, we
were on vacation last week's we weren't in it. Where'd
you go? Yeah, and then it begins we were in Maui.
I love Maui, my daughter got married, there were you?
Where are you in Mali? And then it begins.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It's like politicians are the same way. They they figure
out like something that you have in common and they
latch onto that and they are great conversationalists mostly.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I uh. You know.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Julie Bowen always had this phrase that she would say,
you know, a conversa you want a conversation highway? Right now,
we're in a conversation culd a sac like we went
a highway right, you know. And she's a great conversationalist.
She was my first guest on my podcast actually, and
I was so relieved that she was because she could
literally hold a two hour conversation with the tree Like
she's just like she's inquisitive, and she's like even if
(04:54):
she's not getting a lot back from you, she's gonna like,
you know, just keep the conversation going. And she's just
a great conversationalist. So I love that that concept of
finding a conversation highway.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You know. I spoke with Mo Rocca. We were talking
about this earlier on the previous podcast, and he was
going to do an interview with Eva Maurice Saint okay,
and he had heard that she just wasn't the best conversations.
He's like, oh great, here we go, Okay, I have
to do an interview with someone who doesn't like to
be interviewed. So he said, what I thought of doing
(05:28):
in a brilliant idea. He was looking at her bio
or whatever. He discovered she was born on July fourth, okay.
So his opening question was what was it like celebrating
your birthday with fire tis? And she immediately opened up.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
The smile came on her face. She said, you know what,
that's so great. You asked me that my dad used
to tell me those fireworks for me for my birthday
and so and then it'd be great icebreaker.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know. It's so interesting because.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
You, as as someone who gets interviewed a lot, you
do hear a lot of the same questions over and
over and over. And that's not a fault of the
interviewer like that. These are questions that I think people
want to know. But there does become a point where
you're like, oh my god, how how do I answer
this question?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
In a new way.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So when you find that's a great example of the fireworks,
like something that she probably had never been asked before,
and it was immediately prompted a fresh answer and then
a great conversation I'm sure follow it afterwards. And so like,
I'm trying to do the same thing with these people
who I'm sitting down with, and you know, I get
like six pages of research on them, and I can
(06:32):
kind of tell just from the research that's done, like
what they've probably talked about a lot. And it's not
that I want to avoid those those topics completely, but
I want to find a different way into them or
find like maybe an angle that they haven't come out
that story from. So that's sort of my job before
sitting down with these people. And then every once in
a while, you'll get someone who has done very few interviews,
(06:52):
and that's really exciting because it's like, oh, I got
to sort of like see what this person's all about
and hopefully introduce some facts about this person to the world.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Being interviewed is a that is the most frightening thing
in the world to me, because I mean, I'm always
the interviewer, yeah, always, So when I had a book
come out several years ago. I had to go out
and do the press this and that, and I would
I would get nervous. It was weird having the tables turned.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I'm the exact opposite way, Like it's it's a new
thing for me to be the interviewer. So yeah, I
totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And then the other argument is, well, you are a
guy who reads scripts and sometimes ask to improv off
scripted material and there's an outline for what they want
you to do in front of a camera or whatever.
Now there is no script. I mean you could have
prep and some research, right, there's no script.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's it's improv You're improving for over an hour, and
that's scary to like kind of fly without an at
I love having a script, you know. I I don't
know if I am the greatest improver, but I do
feel like I am a good conversationalist.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, and that's it, It's just a conversation.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Another thing I love about interviewing people when you find
the great storytellers, Yes, they really understand the concept of
here's the opening picture exactly, here's the meat and potatoes,
and then dessert and payoff great storytellers. We can't get
enough of those.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Tell me a story, you want me to tell you
a story.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know it doesn't work that way, but yeah, people
who have that magical way of telling the story. My
dad was an unbelievable storyteller and it was always humorous.
It was always like down home Texas. And I never
could really master that, and he never really was. He
wanted to be proud of his son. The guy who
could tell the story. Never could, right, So I went
(08:41):
into radio instead.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
My grandpa he is, you know, was. He's no longer
with us, but he's Irish and he but just he was.
That says a effeck right there. He was. He was
the guy that would always stand up and like tell
a limerick or reside a poem or tell a really
great story after, you know, at dinner. And so I
feel like I have a little bit of him and
(09:03):
me for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Well, Okay, in addition to acting, you said earlier, you've
done other things. You hosted a James several James Beard events.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes, the James Beards are basically like the Oscars for
the culinary. And it's so funny because I made that
reference during the event that I hosted for them, but
I called I called the Emmys the James Beards of
the TV world. Okay, appreciate it, I'm sure, because you know,
they're always being compared to, like you know, the Oscars
are the Emmys. But anyways, it was It's a room
(09:32):
full of just the top of the top of the
people in the culinary world, chefs and restauranteurs and small
a's and it was a very fancy room to be
in and a group of people who I respect immensely,
and hosting that that event for them that meant so
much to them was really nerve wracking.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Well that's why I wanted to go there. So when
you don't have a script there, but they have, they
have an outline what they want you to do.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I definitely scripted some stuff for myself.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, but you're up there and it is it's a
live crowd nerve wrecking, really, yes.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And it was the first time sort of doing like
a big hosting a big awards show. It wasn't televised,
of course, but like I was in a big auditorium
and it was you know, I was managing the audience
and keeping things moving and it was really fun and
it would do terrified. I did very well. Yeah, yes,
well they had me back twice because I did so good.
So I know I did a good job. And I
can't say that with confidence and I'm not being an egomaniac.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I did a very very good job.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Well, good for you. I mean, live audiences scare the
shit out of it.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Oh they're terrified.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I mean, we'll host our big jingle ball concerts at
Radio City Musical or no, no, at the Madson Square Gardens.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Sure, I've been to one of those jingle balls.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
The thing is about those is everyone's in the dark.
There's fifty thousand of them. It doesn't matter. But if
you're in a room.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Full of people you who are actually paying attention, Yeah,
we'll talk about like that's what theater is mean, people
actually paying attention to what you're saying. But you know
it's scripted again, so exactly, and I rehearsed well for it.
But going up on rehearse scripted is it's terrifying. Did
you watch Jury Duty?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Absolutely, we had we had him on you Donald on yes,
six six Donald, he was the Nico.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
And what I mean, I just I would love to
meet him. He's so wonderful and sweet and the heart
of that show. But that you know, I thought a
lot about that show was completely improvided, improvised based, and
you know, these these actors, who are all great medians
and greatizers, were brilliant, like went with whatever story they
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thought they needed to go with. But like I had
such anxiety as an actor watching that because like I
was looking at James Marsden, who is a great improviser
as well, but like he was the most like kind
of I guess, you know, if you're going to categorize
one of them as like, uh uh, mostly an actor,
it was you know him, like he's not necessarily that's
not where he lives in Breeze and in the improv world,
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and I was just having so much anxiety for him
having to sort of like navig gate that storyline for
ten episodes.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I thought it was so well done.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I love that it was, you know, And to hear
the background story as we were talking to Donald about Donald.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right and Ronald Ronald Ronald, I think I said, Donald, Okay,
well I threw you off.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Follow your lead. But James on as well the day
before and they were talking about how well you know
it was edited beautifully, beautifully because you know, every once
in a while, Ronald Donald Ronald would get like something
was so strange would happen it wasn't real and he
could yes, so they would. They would purposefully make the
court proceedings long and boring to.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Like outweigh yeah, the ridiculousness.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
You can't just go crazy situation after crazies and someone
would be like, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
But they said they would. They would go three or
four hours.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Of just mundane yeah, wow, to counteract and the ridiculousness.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
But look how brilliant it turned out.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And it turned out great, and obviously like we're not
using any of this, any of this three hours of
mundane ness.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Just go back to James Beard for a second. Do
you follow? I mean, are you familiar with his work
and who he was? Did you ever go to his
townhouse for dinner?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I'm aware of all of it, but I haven't.
I don't know a ton about him. I mean, I've
learned a little bit when I was hosting that the
awards themselves, but I don't know a ton.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Now.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I read a little bit about him in a bio
that was written and if I were. If I were
an actor, I would I would want that. I would
want to be James Beard. Of course, he was like
eight feet tall and fifteen feet wide and bigger than
life guy. But you know, I don't think anyone's ever
tried to tackle that role.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
No, no, are you? Are you suggesting I perhaps.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
It would take a lot of makeup, it would have
to thicken you up a lot. But he's just He's
just one of those roles. I'm not an actress. Who
am I to say this, but that just seems like
a juicy juicy Oh my god, just tell all about
this guy, because he had a crazy off the grid
live right that was he was very famous for here
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right right right. Are there any people in history or
any people that we're all familiar with that you often think, God.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
You know the one that comes up a lot, And
it's I think it's because I portrayed him sort of
in an episode of Modern Family or they they they
said that I resembled him in an episode, But it's
Vincent van Gogh.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You do, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
And I went to the Art Institute when I was
actually hosting James Beard Awards, I went to the Art
Institute of Chicago, and that's where his portrait is housed.
And I took a photo of myself next to his
portrait and put on like my Instagram page, and I
just like that took it to a whole other level, like.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Did you see do you see it? Though?
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I do see it?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I think didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
William Dafoe just recently play him, And I can't remember
who was biopic. I think it's sort of been done already.
But you know that seems like something that there's probably
a story there. I could see myself playing Vincent van Gogh.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
But well, if you have to do more than just
look like there's yeah, no true, you can create your
own Vincent.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but the base of it's there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So what's going on in Hollywood? Now? There's a writer
strike going.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
To riders strikes? We're both doing podcasts?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah? Really? No or in dividing when you're hearing this,
maybe they all worked it all out.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't when is this going to air? In like
a few days? I think we got I think we're
safe to say it's still going on.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
So give me your feeling about how it is being
an actor? Yeah, and did indeed this podcast you're doing
come from it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Did not did not come from the rider strike.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
It's a happy accident that I have something to focus
on during the writer's strike.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I I was in Los Angeles. I just moved to
Los Angeles and the Writer's strike of two thousand and
eight last one, and I was I had just finished
a series called The Class that ran I think nineteen episodes,
and it was canceled, and then the rider strike happened.
So I was had uprooted my life and moved to
(16:07):
LA and I was, you know, with the intention of
after this my show was canceled, I was going to
stick around and just sort of like, you know, see
what could happen for me in Los Angeles since I'd
already made roots there. And then it was like nine months.
I think it was one hundred days. I don't know
how many months it works.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
It was right around hundred days. But you know, there
was just nothing. There was nothing at all, and it
was a little scary.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
How did you survive?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I had saved some money from the the the series
I had done. I was not paid super well because
it was my very first TV show, so my quote
was extremely low. But I I I think I might
have borrowed some money from a friend. And then also
I was going back to how to New York rather
than doing some workshops of different theater projects, which you know,
(16:56):
kuching ku ching no.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Money in that. But you know, he.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Was keeping me artistically satisfied somewhat, and I kind of
feel like ready to throw in the towel and be like, okay,
well after this strike is resolved, that probably would end
up just moving back to New York. And then Modern
Family happened.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
So in Wow, that was how many years? Eleven eleven seasons?
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Eleven seasons.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, Now that it's in the rear view mirror
sort of, I mean, do you do you respect the
enormity of that show? I mean, Modern Family when you're
in it, I'm sure it's different than when you're.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Done with it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I don't know, Yeah, no it is. But it's also
you know, it's something that I think we all knew
was a special thing.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It was nice having Ed O'Neil being part of that
cast because he had been through an eleven year show
with married with children, and he was in like the
third act of his life, let's say, and he was
at a place where he didn't think this would ever
happen for him again. So to watch him, who in
my eyes, was this massive star, this icon of television
(17:59):
be excited about something new was a telltale sign that
this is something to be excited about. I mean I
kind of followed his lead. He really seemed to take
each day and live it to its fullest and like,
really appreciate this work he got to do as someone
who is in his seventies and get this great role,
and also the acclaim that he had never received before
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I married with children.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He was nominated for.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Emmy Awards and really respected by his peers in a
way that I think he hadn't been before. And so
I looked to him a lot and let that sort
of appreciation reflect.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Back on me.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
But we all knew, you know, I was the youngest
cast member of the adults, and then you know, the
next jump was down with Sarah Hiland, who played my niece.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But I was with a whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Who had been in this business and varying degrees of
success for quite some time, and I think we all
kind of collectively agreed that this was a really special
thing and something that we needed to enjoy and like
really appreciate. It's like it's such a rare thing that's
like that happens.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
But eleven seasons. I mean, what was it like wrapping that?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Oh it was devastating and exciting at the same time.
You know, actors, I mean I should I'll speak for myself.
I was very eager to do other work and very
eager to play the roles. And you know, you were
playing this one person for eleven years and you know
that person so well. And as an actor, I like
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to be scared. I like to be nervous, and I
like to try things that excite me. This podcast is
a great example of it. You know, Toasting Extreme Makeover
Home Editions is another example. Doing a play on Broadway
where there's you know that you're acting without a safety
net is another thing that excites me. I was very
excited for these opportunities to come up, and then the
pandemic happened. So we wrapped the show and it was
(19:51):
an incredibly emotional process. You know, on the last day,
they they they start at the at the bottom of
the call sheet with the younger cast member and say,
you know, that's a rap on Aubrey Anderson Emmons, who
played my daughter Lily, And that's a series wrap on Aubrey,
and everyone cheers for that person, and they get closer
and closer to your number, and you know that your
(20:12):
numbers coming up and everyone's going to share for you.
And it's a very emotional thing ending with Ed O'Neill,
and then it's just like, well, now what do we do?
And like we sort of sat there and like drank
and had a party for like an hour, and then
people sort of I was like, but home, and for us,
we were like, well, we'll get to see each other
again in February or in March or April when the
(20:33):
series finale is finally airing. We had planned to be
like all the whole cast is gonna be on Jimmy
Kimore or something together. It's like, you know, I'll al
we'll see you in a few months, seen in a
few months. And then the world shut down, and you know,
we didn't get that closure of actually kind of coming
together again and really celebrating this thing. We did because
the finale aired during the pandemic, and I'm so grateful
(20:54):
that we were able to wrap shooting before everything shut down.
And so that there was actually closure to the art
form and for the fans as well, but as a cast,
we weren't able to have that closure, so that was sort.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Of there was some open wounds with that.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And I'm actually Julie Bowen has met the first guest
on my podcast, and we both talked about like, how
are you feeling with this, like little wellness check? Yeah, yeah,
And I've seen almost every single cast member in some
form or another, not altogether, but I think I've seen
everyone in person since we wrapped, and but you know,
(21:29):
we haven't all been together, and that sort of feels
like we don't have full closure with with you know,
wrapping up that process.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Okay, let's totally mess this Up's stop the interview and
go behind the curtains.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
We were talking earlier about being interviewed and you're asked
the same questions over and over and over, so you
look for different exciting ways to answer differently. Have you
told that same story? Has anyone ever asked you any
about anything about wrapping up?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
No? No, oh really, I was wondering.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
They asked us like what it was like to like
finish the show, and like what was that you know,
experience like and emotionally what was it?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:09):
But but you know, never, I guess I've never talked
about having finished it and then gone into a pandemic.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
But the way you told the story was great. It
was awesome about how they Okay, you're next up, You're
next up for the following line everyone. Yes, that was
just really really fantastic. Okay, back to the interviews you
this is like we're learning. I'm learning. It's all good.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
One of my favorite Hollywood stories the past few years.
Of course, it's been Jennifer Coolidge. When you say Jennifer Gills,
especially Gay goes. Yes, yes, we're all trying to kill her. She.
I mean, what an incredible story on many different levels.
I mean, we're talking about a woman in her her sixties, right,
who's just beautiful and fun and she's not new. She's
(23:05):
been around a long long time, long time, she's been
paying her dues and then of course here she is.
I mean you see her everywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, deservedly.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
She's just incredible, do.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You I know? Look that for myself. Do you know her?
I've met her, I don't know her.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
We need to know her.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I know, I feel like everyone needs to know. Jennifer's like,
I feel like Jennifer Clich.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Is like, oh man, I can't get to know all
of you, Like you know, She's like, oh geez, can
my Jennifer Clitch is not very good?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But then the all game in should have dinner at
in a Garden's house.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
She's like, she'd be so exhausted. I wish I could.
I don't want to do that and dinner.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Jennifer's Oh, yeah, fascinating. I heard she has two homes
in New Orleans. Oh really having one home in New
Orleans is wacky enough. And you two, do you have
any other just top of mind Hollywood stories that you
find fascinating people that you would love to meet or
talk to because they've done something like Jennifer Coolidge. Look
what she's done.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, that's a great example of someone that I've
I've been very lucky that I've gotten to meet people
and work with people that I have had that feeling about.
This is a great example because I was actually talking
about Jennifer Collidge with this person. But Jane Lynch has
become a friend of mine, love her, and it is great,
Oh the greatest. And I've just I've I've revered her
for so long and then we became friends. And then
(24:22):
I was doing a movie in Canada and it was
with all it was all kids in this film, and
so like I had nothing, no one to hang out
with after we wrapped, and Jane was also going to
do a part of this film, and she overlapped with
like for like three days, and I was like, Jane,
we have got to please have dinner with me.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
And I really don't know her that well.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
And another person that happened to be in town was
Alison Janney and so I like I reached out to her,
again don't know her very well, was like, Alison, I
need adult attention.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
We please have dinner with me.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And so these are two people I just like I thought,
you know, I'm gonna cold call these people. I kind
of know them a little bit, but like not enough
to say, like, will you just sit down and have
a meal with me? And they both did and I
had a great time with both of them. And it
wasn't a meal together but two separate meals. But I
remember talking about white Lotus with Jane and she's like, oh,
(25:12):
I'm so happy for for Jennifer and I haven't watched
it yet, but I hear she's fantastic, and so I
just like the warl like for me, it was like
the Christopher Guests. World was like closing in on me
in a way that I found incredibly gratifying. You know,
all these people who had done these films that I
love someone.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
We had urgency in your voice and you called them.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Please, I did I need some adult I did. And
Allison was like number one on the call sheet for
this movie. She was doing night shoots and she was exhausted.
She's like, I have one day off, but I'd left
to have dinner with you. And I had a great
time with her. But you know, that's a perfect example
someone I revere and I adore and respect so much
and didn't know and have heard that she's just like
(25:52):
salt of the earth. And you know, I felt comfortable
reaching out and it was great, and you should.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But on that same level, have you ever been just
floored because someone who you totally admire comes up to
you and says, Jesse, I gotta say your work is
just phenomenal, and you walk away, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I mean it happened a lot for all of us
on Modern Family. Steven Spielberg was a huge fan of
the show and like talk to us in terms of
like being an uber nerd about it, like talking like
breaking down the comedy of different scenes, like he came
at it from a writer and director perspective, and I
was like, Wow, this is crazy. Steven Spielberg is breaking
down my work in front of me. That was wild,
(26:41):
you know.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Julia Roberts gave me a hug once out of the
blue on a red carpet. I think she's like she
didn't recognize anyone. She felt like she was floundering all
of a sudden, like she's like, oh, there's someone I
can know. We don't know each other. She was a
must have watched My Modern Family, and she came up
and gave me the biggest hug, like she hadn't seen
me in forever, and it was the first time we
were meeting. The photo exists online and you just google
just a top of Ferguson and Julie Roberts.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
And the last time you saw her, I thought you'd
be best friends by now.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, I'd love to know her, and I know people
who have worked with her and had such wonderful things
to say about her. But like those brushes have happened
a lot, and it's it's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So is there ever a time when you're alone in
the house, your husband's gone, it's just you.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I made the kids?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Are the kids? Kids?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Child? Right too?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Two children?
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Congratulations?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
You have the house to yourself and you're walking by
a mirror and you stop and you you look at
yourself in the mirror and go, you know, fuck, this
is a great life. This is this is pretty awesome.
Did you ever have those moments?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
I usually walk by a mirror and be like, God,
I look old.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, Miley is good. I mean, is that something you do?
Are you? I do it? Everyone swans? I have to
stop myself and go, this is kind of great.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I'm a very I'm very grateful for everything that's happened
to me. I have a wonderful family, two great kids.
I'm I have my health, I have a career that
I'm very proud of. I'm excited to see where it
goes next. I am I'm very grateful. I am I
I of course, everyone always wants to do more than
they've been allowed to do, and I there's there's things
(28:12):
I still would like to do. And you know, for
for me, and I talk about this with Julie on
my podcast, but like and also we talked about talked
about with Jim Parsons and but people who have been
who have played roles for such a long amount of time,
there's amount of there's amount of work that you have
to do to crawl out from under that part. And
(28:33):
so you know, my my goal now for myself is
to distance myself from from Mitchell on modern Family and
to be able to give myself opportunities to be seen
in other ways. So that's you know, I think you
can stop and look at the mirror and be like,
I'm so grateful for my life. This is a wonderful thing.
But for me personally, I have I have to acknowledge
that I have to acknowledge how how much I've achieved.
(28:55):
Not proud of myself I am, but then I personally
need to like still find drive to to further that
at least right now. Some day maybe I'll like want
to retire, but I'm definitely I'm excited to see what
happens next.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Retire Oh God, people do it, apparently know then they
come back sometimes from the day, Uh Jesse Tyler Ferguson's
podcast is called Dinners on Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson.
Top of Mind. Some guests that are coming up that
we haven't heard yet.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Sure, we have Tracy Elis Ross coming out next week,
Pad Mlackshmi, Marcus Samuelson, Jim Parsons.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Marcus Samuelson is awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Isn't He's so interesting and the nicest guy. Yeah, such
a great guy.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I have Roy Choy some that the more chefs happy
people have, Marcus Samuelson, Pat Mclakshmi, Roy Choi who kind
of started the food truck movement in Los Angeles with
with Kogie Tacos and has a fantastic, really interesting story
dealt with addiction and it's like at the top of
this game now. And I found that in a conversation
(29:57):
to be wildly inspiring.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
I have some more people from Modern Family coming up
that I can't mention yet but excited about.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah. Any really really great friends, like truly best friends
you've interviewed the reason?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean Jim Parsons is a very very close
friend of mine. He was at my wedding and we
became very good friends through working in the same field
together and you know, both being out gay actors in Hollywood,
and we came together sort of as it is Mafia,
the game.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Offa of course, the Pink Mafia. Yes, yes, yes, Well,
so the reason I'm asking you is I have found
and I think this is maybe very telling of me
and some issues I need to work on. I have
a difficult time interviewing people I know very well.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Me too, Okay, so you know what, I almost every
single person that I've interviewed this first season is someone
I know pretty well. I have some very old things,
like some of my oldest friends in Los Angeles are
are on the podcast coming up, Jim being one of them,
Elizabeth Banks, but I've just known for a very long time.
And I did find even with Julie Bow and I
know her so well, Like I was like, I don't know,
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it's going to sound like we're just rehashing old stories,
right it is for a listener who maybe hasn't heard
all these stories. But that was the interesting challenge of
trying to find a different new in with these people
that I know so well.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I'll give you a Charlie Pooth is a good friend
of mine.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, I love Charlie.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
But as we got to know each other more and
more and more, I would have him in and what
do we talk about? It's I could lead him down
a road I know he can go down. But that
just seems kind of cheap and tawdry.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
But it's not because a listener wants to hear all that.
But they have to know that if they're sitting in
this room with how many cameras pointing at us, and
we're sitting in front of microphones and we have you know,
sound engineers, like we know that we're here for a reason.
That's not just a conversation. If we're sitting in your
office and we're having this conversation, you know, like helpous
you know if spout me already like I.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Can't do it. Yeah, So you know that that Jesse
and I don't know each other because this is a
great interview, it means just a piece of crap, like
what do we talk about? But I said this to
him in an interview. I told tru I can't interview you.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Cut them off, say no, don't come back here, not
someone else interview you.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Well, thank you for being here today, Happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
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Speaker 3 (32:22):
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Speaker 1 (32:29):
We like reviews, reviews when there's five stars included. I
feel like people who like, go, I'm gonna put one
star and then write something really stark, and it's like,
what else could you do today?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Let's just so do you ignore them? Do? Do you
get one stars?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I will tell you I just recently looked at the
reviews on the Apple podcast and there are only five
star reviews. It's not that I have five stars, like
my average is like four point six because some people
just like push the star meter they don't like to
leave a review.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
But everyone that's.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Actually stopped to write something has been really positive. So
I appreciate all these people who like and subscribe and review.
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Okay, like subscribe and review. Dinners on the Dinner's on
Me with Jesse Tyler Ferguson, And of course this podcast
is what they called thinking. It's thinking out Loud.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
That's what we did.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
We should call it we thought out Loud. We should
call it. I don't know the name of.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
This podcast, untitled podcast projects know what were some of
the pitch.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
It was off air, off air.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
That great one.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well, I don't know if you heard his mic. His
MIC's not on. It was Elvis Durant's contractually obligated because
it is they're forcing me to do this, but I'm
glad they are. I will. I will thank them one day,
especially for today.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Start up blog next can we get you to do Please.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Don't give them any ideas. Jesse Tider for an honor
to have you on today, and I can't wait to
listen to the rest of your twenty six party four
twenty four podcasts. Bring him on and in New York
versus la go.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh god, I mean if you have, if you really
put it into my head, it's out New.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
York Okay, thank you, have a nice day. Thank you,
Jesse Titer Ferguson. Thanks for being on with us. I
can't talk mark edit. Thank you, Jesse Tyter Ferguson. Don't
edit that, leave it all natural.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I like the first one.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Check out Jesse's podcast, Dinner Is on Me. He brings
in a lot of actors and celebrities that we love,
has dinner with them, opens them up, has great conversation.
He's great at what he does. You're gonna love it.
Thank you so much for listening to the show. Tell
a friend, tell a dozen friends, and don't forget Rate
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Speaker 3 (34:57):
Sure you do?
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Thinking Out is hosted by me Elvis Durant. The podcast
is produced and edited by Mike Coscarelli. Executive producers are
Andrew mcglsi and Katrina Norvell. Special thanks to David Katz,
Michael Kindheart, and Caitlin Madore. Thinking Out Loud as part
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