December 8, 2025 • 49 mins
Gene Steratore calls in to discuss all the controversial calls from yesterday's Steelers/Ravens matchup including the Isaiah Likely negated touchdown and the overturned interception thrown by Aaron Rodgers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Radio station.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Guaranteed human.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
What's the foot claps, the hands gets the snap back
the pass.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Look when the Raven's bringing pressure and the balls.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Knocked a round at the line of scrimmage and Rogers
caught it.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
No, the Ravens have it.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
It's Teddy, you canned.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
He was battling with Rogers and they say if you
can and came down with it.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
For the students, it's bad at the line of scrimmage and.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
At the bottom of the pile they're saying, the Ravens
have the.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Balls is eternally to bring this way and then the
further da I mean, I guess the question there is
going to.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Be, did Rogers have possession of it?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Off?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
When his knock out on the field, there's usually a
good sign.
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Yeah, Pittsburgh was down by contact with possession of the ball.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
One of the three calls by the officials yesterday that
drew the ire of Ravens fans. And I'm not so sure.
I don't know that one. I don't love. I kind
of feel like he fought for the ball at the
same time as the Ravens defender and then his knees down.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I don't know if he totally has possession of it.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
There.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
We're gonna talk to Jean Starator in forty minutes. He'll
clear up everything. We already know what the league's stances
on the Isaiah Likely touchdown. There were so many calls
yesterday outside of that that were like little ones that
I think had a little reverberating effect when we challenge.
There's a Flowers catch that I still don't think was
a catch. They challenged the Calvin Austin that they said
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wasn't a catch, But if the Flowers one was, I
don't understand why the Calvin Austin third down catch where
he falls out of bounds and the ball moves a
little bit, why that's not a catch?
Speaker 7 (01:53):
The likely one is gonna be brutal, and as Pittsburgh's
we have to feel a little sympathetic for Paul to more.
Seven years ago, it was Jesse James getting told that
a catch is not a catch unless it's caught in
the process of making a catch while catching it. So like,
that's right, So we're in the same And my whole
thing is, uh, have have we heard from Jesse James since?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Like where Jesse James evaporated it?
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Like I feel like at this point, he's just haunting
Roger Goodell's office at NFL headquarters like he's the Phantom
of the opera, Like every time a catch gets overturned,
a chandelier mysteriously.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Falls from the ceiling.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
And I don't know, like, like I'm honestly like, did
they I know stereotory was gonna get into this in
a little bit, but like, to me, making a catch
in the NFL now is like a Facebook relationship status,
like it is complicated, like.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It it seems like it's getting more and more.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Complicated, Like I didn't know that this whole football move
was was an evil.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I need the football move, but I don't know what
constitutes a football move, and I didn't know it was
getting three steps in the end zone. To me, the
football move was when he caught it. That's a football move.
Like he catches it and then he's holding it like Frankenstein, Like.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Okay, he's taken two steps. That to me should have
been a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I'm so glad it wasn't, and I'll take the w
and I'm not upset about it the least, But boy,
they are losing their minds in Baltimore today, especially because
it was against the Steelers with the division on the line.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Well, it's because you have refs out here sounding like
college freshmen that just took shrooms for the first time. Like, yeah,
it looks like a catch, But like, isn't this all
just a simulation, man? And we need refs to be
consistent humans like higherarchy.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
We like clear laws. We thriving clear laws.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
We need refs, or the NFL would be like playing
football with that one big, mean neighborhood kid who would
like make up his own rules. You know, he just
be out there, like my team gets five downs and
your team doesn't allowed to pass the ball?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
What why is that?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Because I hit puberty early and my dad's never home.
I don't know how these refs do it. Like I
could never ever be a referee. That's why he didn't
turn on his mic when he said that the likely.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I don't know these guys. I mean, they should bring.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Out a ventriloquist dummy and then everyone will just get
mad at the dummy.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
That make it way more palatable. Yeah, but like I can't,
I don't.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I can don't know how I to identify with these
guys because they have to make unpopular decisions like I
have such an insatiable need to be like, there is
no way I could be a referee whatsoever. The first
time I'd make a call that anybody disagreed with, I'd
be like false start offense, boo, uh, never mind defense,
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Take three points off the boards. You guys are going,
my friends, right, I'm with you on that. Imagine the
post game commiserating that goes on with the Zebras. I mean,
they just down cocktails like they make air traffic controllers
look like yoga instructors in terms of stress.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Well, because here's the other problem is that the refs
have to contend with people. They're subject to the popular
opinion of people who don't know what they're talking about.
How many people in a sixty thousand seat stadium know
what constitutes an illegal formation?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Did you know that like gain Well was not on
the line and that was illegal formation two weeks ago?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I didn't see. I didn't know that.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
I'll bet you out of sixty thousand people in a stadium,
what maybe a thousand people know what like an.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Illegal formation they see at the tackle.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
So then let's subtract from that one thousand people, the
people who are so drunk they can't see straight. To
begin with, it's so many men on the feel they
got like twenty two guys out there, a lot of
those wearing the same number like that. Why do you
have to these people have to take the opinions of
people who don't know what they're talking about into heart
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Like like Jeff, everybody has to take the opinion of
people who don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
What they're talking about. That's true.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
If you have most people with opinions don't know what
they're talking about.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
That's true. I always say opinions are like a holes.
You shouldn't share yours on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Jean's territor is gonna join us at eight forty five,
and I can't wait to hear him say things that
are going to infuriate Ravens fans because he's going into
his guns. It's gonna make its way back to Baltimore
and they're gonna hear that. Jeen's terotor popped onto the
Steeler's flagship station today and said, now the refs had
it right all along, and Harbaugh's head is gonna explode.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Well in the game, he said that the the uh
unnecessary roughness on Coon's was a bad baby like that
was a bad call. So, I mean, I don't know.
Like that to me, that gives you credibility. If you're
saying that one was, then the other one, I think
that you can take it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You can take it the.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Heart if the other one was by the letter of
the law, by the letter of the rule. The only
one they screwed up was that one.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But in terms of the eye test, which I think
most football should be adjudicated when it's all said and done,
and it was for you know, the entirety of the
sport until technology recently made that you know, go away?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If it passes the eye test, it's good enough. Rogers
having possession there, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I know, my David tyree the pin in it against
the helmet going down? Yeah, the likely touchdown? How is
it not a touchdown? I don't even get it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
But I think the same thing with the Calvin Austin
catch and is a Flowers ketch. Like the lack of
consistency is what's pissing people off. There's no doubt we'll
talk to gen As I said. In a half an hour,
Abby's got a news update for you.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
First News this hour brought to you by wind Donation.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
It's cloudy and very cold today with a high of
just thirty. All right, I want to know what you're
feeling on This is for big music festivals. If somebody
brings a beach ball or an inflatable, are.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
They the fun or are they a d bag?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's weird because there are bands like Metallica that sell
Metallica beach balls, and that is a strange thing to
me because it doesn't seem to fit with the the vibe, right,
And I know what the story is about. I uh,
I don't love beach balls, but they don't.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Beach ball comes my way, I'm gonna bat it around,
but it depends.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It depends on what show though, right, Like, I actually
don't want it in a Metallica show. To me, that's like
a Cyndy Lapper thing, Sidney Lapper. Could I come up
with a more dated reference.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
But like she's choring, like it's like it a Sabrina
Carpenter show.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They're like, it's fun loving, and I disagree with you.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
I think if you were at a funeral and a
beach ball came your way, you'd be like your instinctual
reaction be like, keep you uppy, keep you up.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
That's thing.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Every time I think of beach ball, I think of
that Simpsons scene where where somebody's going I count remember
for its parts, going through spank therapy, and the guy's
just spanking him non stop and he's spanking him on
like for days, and then.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
A windows open and a beach ball comes through sank
outward motion.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But the beach ball at a concert thing summer vibes
Jimmy Buffett, sure, but at Marilyn Manson, no, well, I.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
Think it pops the tension a little bit, and those
shows you start realizing you're like, all right, let's not
take ourselves too serious.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But the reason you're bringing this story up.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Is because Garbage was performing in Australia and apparently somebody
started tossing a beach ball around and some fans apparently
got annoyed by it, and the performer did too. Shirley
Manson of Garbage got really upset about it, which actually
shocked me how upset she got about it, to the
point where she stopped the show and did a full
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on rant about it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Oh God, with your big beach Ball. I'm so scared
of you, so thrilled by you.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
What she went on to say, I joined a band
because I hate the beach.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
It seemed like a deep core wound.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yes, something something happened to her at a sand castle
or carnival or something.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Her brother was killed by a shark something.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
It does seem like on this tour she's been using
any kind of grievance to use it as a way
to talk about what artists are owed.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Her Spotify rant was great, it was the beach Ball
rat a little just I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And we got to point out that Pittsburgh, Katie Moran
is the tour manager on that tour and was probably
probably at a front row seat for all that. I'm sure,
but I'm wondering what set her off about beach Ball.
Just that vibe I think doesn't fit garbage shows. It'd
be like one at a Courtney Love like a whole
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show it is. Yeah, I kind of associated more with
summary shows, but her hatred of it seems really disproportionate.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Well, she's in Australia and it's summer in Australia, so
she can't use that as it Maybe that's it she's
like it's winter. It's like not in the Southern Hemisphere,
We're still the axis is tilted the other way here
in Australia.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Very beachy, I agree, very very beachy. Is speaking of
music festivals.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
For Billy McFarland, it appears that third time really is
the charm. After the colossal failure of Firefest one and
Firefest two, McFarland actually managed to stage a real physical
music festival that he called Phoenix. It was in Honduras
on Saturday nights and artists actually showed up, and people
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showed up, and there were bathrooms and edible food. But
success is a loose term. It probably varies on your
interpretation of the word. But for McFarlane, who spent four
hours in prison on fraud charges in the aftermath of
fire Festival, he can say that he definitely put on
a festival. Okay, so it was French Montana, Okay, Bobby.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Suermuda, Bobby Schmerta Schmerda. Yeah, Okay, I didn't know what.
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I can't believe you know that.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
My dog's up in the doghouse. Sorry, I'm the only
one knows that one. I can't believe you know Bobby Schmer,
who's Slim Jimmy. Slim Jimmy I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Okay, Well, they all took the stage at various points
on Saturday night, and it was live streamed. And I
know that because I saw a few on TikTok and
this looked like the saddest office party that you've ever.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Seen in your life.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Look bad.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I saw it.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Yeah, just a couple red solo cups and some really
drunk forty something.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It looked like festivals that I've been booked at in
my twenties, like where you go and you're like, yeah, dude,
huge festival.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
This is gonna be great for the band.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
You go.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Nobody's there. Yes, Oh, this isn't as great as we talked.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Very sparsely attended, only a few hundred people on site
by a very rough count. A social media post shared
ahead of Saturday's festivities also suggested that locals were encouraged
to attend for free just to try to.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Like juice the numbers.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
But the live stream was like a pov feed price
that was like six ninety nine, but even that only
had one hundred active viewers at its peak. So people
weren't into it, so they probably took a bath on
this just to get French Montana.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
They probably had other acts, but the air force blew
them up in the water. Bobby was smart, are smart
at in the Atlantic Ocean?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Was queuing that up? Dude?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean short of actually whole to get in Venezuela
is Central America.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
They don't know the difference.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
There's a boat coming from South America and I'm gonna
just press the button.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, I don't know who gave that guy money does
How does he have money to throw a festival?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
How is he paying those acts?
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I literally think there's this whole sub economy of people
with too much money, like who spend it because it's
they know it's going nowhere? And I feel like this
guy gets funded because there's some like rich oil magnate son.
That's just like, wouldn't it be funny if I gave
this guy a million dollars to get Bobby Schmerda to Honduras,
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Like that's how much money these people have.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
This is to do it for the lolls crowd, right exactly?
The money?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Yeah, who travels abroad to go see that show? Like
that's a show that you'd go to do what what
Detroit for? Maybe not to Hondoras agreed No, And what
happened to Jau where's all he escaped?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm not exactly sure how he got away unscathed. I
just remember what was already pretty scathed at that point.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
He he he didn't have a lot of a lot
of political capital to spend it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't think the bar could have got much lower.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, when that documentary came out, I remember he played
Jurgles like right after that, and I was thinking, like,
one guy's in jail and the other guy's playing in
Jurgles and they both were complicit.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Here's the moral in the story is if fifty cent
doesn't like you, there's a good reason you should listen
to fifty cent.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He's apparently a great judge of character.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He kind of is in a weird way that does
bear out.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Dude, he was on the ped did he trained like
a decade ago, and no one was listening to him.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And he wasn't afraid because everyone thought it was just
like petty, you know what I mean, like he had
a petty grievance.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It's like, no, he actually knew what was going on there.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Yeah, and he was obviously tough enough and rich enough
to withstand be Like, I don't care, so now what
are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
The diddy thing is kinda I feel like it's being
underplayed that they basically learned, basically learned he had two
po and Biggie killed and then like made his widow
sing a song about him while he danced around at
the Grammys saying.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
How much he loved him.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And he's the guy that had.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Him killed and had him pay for his own funeral,
had the estate pay for his own funeral.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, like that seems like it should be a much
bigger story in the national consciousness right now.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
No, well deaf, I mean, but does I don't know,
Like I think the Tupac Biggie feud is so ingrained
in American music culture that nobody really I don't know
if anybody really wants to let go of that yet,
like and admit that it was there was a lone actor,
or that it wasn't some kind of big cultural significance
and it was just some guy kind of ginning up
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a discord between two rival factions.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I don't know if we're ready to let go of
that yet.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't know, but it would seem to me that,
like when we had Bill Bellamin here the other day, Yeah,
I know he knows a lot of those people, and
I kind of wanted to ask him of a lot
of questions about it that.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm like, yeah, that'll be rude. Well, that just he's
a good guy. I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Mess with him.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Fifty cent was just built to be like one of
the most hilarious bullies you've ever met in your life.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
The fact that he dated what's their name, the comedians
Chelsea Handler, like that is such a funny couple. To me,
that's a pretty funny cuffle right up there with Brigitte
Nielsen and Flavor Flav. Yeah, like, just do not see
these two haven't anything in common, and yet they apparently.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Had one thing that was really important.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Yeah, it is very cold today.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It's gonna be a high of just thirty.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Michael, being with your sports, We're gonna talk to Jeen
Stertor at eight forty five today and he's gonna lay
it all out for you. How that all unfolded. And
except for the unnecessary roughness on Coon's on that field goal,
they got it right on the other ones. I don't
know Ravens fans, I think they have a right to
be pissed today. I'm happy with it. We beat the Ravens.
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I don't care how it happened. We're in first place
in the AFC North, and I'm gonna enjoy it because
you have all the way until Monday night when the
Dolphins come to town for Monday Night football. To live
in this world where the Steelers are headed to the playoffs. Now,
if they lose on Monday Night, well things start to
turn in the other Right, didn't look bad either yesterday.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Now, four wins in a row and Steelers in primetime
always makes me.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Pucker a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Rob came with a power hour. The Pucker Hour is
a better name for it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yeah like it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
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Pursuer joining us now Steelers twenty seven Ravens twenty two
battle for the AFC North at M ANDT Bank in Baltimore.
Yesterday goes the Steeler's way. I wonder what it was
like walking out of there.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, I can tell you you know what's funny now.
And I was thinking about this yesterday. Walking out of
sporting events now.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Is just a like dodging a myriad of people who
are recording their like rage yesh, yeah, just staring into
their camera, walking and talking and screaming. I saw a
bunch of that from the Big Ten Championship on Saturday
night again, congratulations Jacob to your Indiana Hoosiers. And I
saw a bunch of it from the Ravens game yesterday.
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Just we're turning into these people who don't even talk
to each other. It's excuse me, I need to talk
to my audience.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
If I was a Steelers fan, I think I wouldn't
have walked out. I would have run, yeah, to get
as far away from people as I.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Think Guy would have. I would have waited in the
stadium for like an hour. Let it clear out option.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Either that or you go to the Ravens Pro shop
you get a shirt on discount, you throw that over
top of everything and you just start shaking your head
and sayings freaking reps the whole way out, and then
you're safe, right like the end of victory where they
all put the coats on, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, that's why I always bring a fake mustache every way.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
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Speaker 6 (20:26):
Applying to the steels cap the most tumultuous week in
Mike Tobblins nineteen seasons with a dramatic, potentially season saving
win in Baltimore, Wide receiver Calvin Austin IID insisted all
the negativity pouring from the stands at Acriture the previous
Sunday had no bearing on how the players approached beating
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the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
To be like hunt, we don't care. Oh, like.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The whole world to be chanting fire, coach, were gonna
be a coach at today that autodamic played in talking.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Room, the whole world could be It sounded like the
whole world was I love that guy?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
No, Calvin Austin just seems like a good teammate. I
don't know every sound clip I've heard of him. It
just sounds sounds like he's a good locker room guy.
He's been on the show a few times and it's
always outstanding.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of respect for that guy.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I mean, he's got obviously some he's vertically challenged.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, but he's so fast.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean, yeah, you to our earlier point, you can
have one of those.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Guys, you can't have a bunch of them.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Linebacker Patrick Queen another Steelers player who maintained that part
of the deal last week was just ignore the noise.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
And the end of the day, this media media gonna
do stuff like that. Any guy in the build I
could care less. You know, it's a brotherhood as a family.
We got each other's back. All we cared about was
in the building. All the stuff outside we could care
less about. We just wanted to do his best for
us on our team. So just being able to get
a win like this right now, no creat momental.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
I think at the end of the day, we all
understand how everything went this week, so we need to
repeat that.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
This week I was talking about how everything went. He
the whole preparation process and practice in the meetings and everything.
It's it matters now. I mean it matters in September two,
but it really matters now.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
But this is why griping helps the fans.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
All of that noise.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Last week put the pressure on these guys.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Not that they wouldn't have had a certain amount of
pressure they would put on themselves to perform better, but
the noise, the cacophony of complaints coming from Steeler Nation,
really puts the pressure on them, like, hey, you guys
got we got to focus here. And as much as
I didn't love the fact that Aaron Rodgers seemed very
casual about I mean, it's just the Ravens game, and
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you know it's a big, big game. We just gotta
just gotta be better in preparation. And I wanted him
to be more like TJ. Watt, foaming at the mouth, like, yeah,
this is the raven But he's like that during the game,
he's like that dealing. Well, you saw us.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
He wanted to murder Arthur Smith yesterday.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, which have maybe been in favor.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Of How did they not have a play ready to go?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
There?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He summing a guy, you.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Know, we didn't catch it. Let's just get up there
and do something silly.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And I you know, and you see him get pissed aupy.
I know that he saves his excitement for the ice.
I gut all right, But I even think that the
coaching was better this week. They were way better coached
up on defense. Even though they let the Ravens run
for over two hundred yards. Oddly, it looked better than
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it did against the bill.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I don't think you're saying I thought it was pretty credible. Now,
two seventeen sucks on paper, but one.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Of those runs was a what sixty five yard? No,
I mean that it counts.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
But they didn't let Baltimore dictate the game running, which
is what Buffalo did. And and because they didn't let
Baltimore dictate the game running, they were able to play
from ahead, and that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Helped rum Rumo's going nuts that they weren't running the ball.
He's like, what are you doing? Our budd does this
historically against us all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It doesn't against other people.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
He's nineteen thirty five for Lamar Jackson yesterday.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
I don't know why they just don't go big ten
and you know, old school big ten and run the
ball sixty times and throw it eight.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It would work.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
It probably would, Yeah, And that's you know that He's
got his detractors in his neighborhood too, and that's why
because they too often get away from the run.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
That two minute drill at the end of the game
for Baltimore would have you would have on the postgame
wrap up show. You can better believe that was going
to be a topic of conversation. That seemed like they
were taking their sweet old time getting down the field.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Lamar is bad in those situations, Like as much like
I kind of wonder is Caleb Williams going to be
the next Lamar? Like all this potential that never gets realized.
And with Lamar, it's just the big games. He just
crumbles in big games and crumbles the playoffs. That's not good.
You saw what was they posted his record like against
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division rivals and in the postseason it's not good at all.
And it's almost spotless against everybody everybody else.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
But that's no margarci par you know what I mean.
It's like, uh, oh, was it eleven nothing?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
He was five for five today? Was it two to one?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
He was zero for four.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
There's some of that every once in a while. Defensively,
they clearly have their warts. Statistically they're not good, and
we've all seen them blow coverages and get run over
and all the warts have been on display but safe situations.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
This isn't an.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
NFL stat but it's one of my stats. When they're
on the field at the end of the game and
they have to get a stop to win their four
and one. Wow, Really Jets, New England, Minnesota and Baltimore yesterday.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Wow, they blew the game at Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Remember the long Rogers to Friarmooth's play and then they
let the Bengals go down to field and scored again.
They also did not keep the Seattle game in one
score game in the fourth quarter latter stages of the
fourth quarter. Remember they hit that long pass. Yeah, Jalen Ramsey,
I think that was Jackson Smith. But in the Chicago game,
they got the ball back twice for the offense and
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the offense couldn't finish it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Lamar Jackson is one one in six versus the Chiefs,
two and four versus the Bills, three and five versus
the Steelers, and three and five in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
He's also two time MVP, and he may well win
another one before he's done.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Not this year, not this year, Not this year. He
looked banged up.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
I mean like even on some of the rushing plays,
like you could amost see him Winsie, what's he is
he at?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I I thought he moved his ankles all messed up.
I thought that he moved pretty well all things considered.
And Romo was pointing that out too. He's like, oh,
I see the explosiveness.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He never looks rattled when the pressure's on.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
He has he has a great feel for the power.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
And they can't bring him down. Nobody can bring that.
Driving me nuts.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Yesterday her big high Smith all had him en TJ
had him wrapped up at one point. They just couldn't
get him down before he hold on to his leg.
Please fall down, Please fall down. I know he wanted
to roll him there so bad, bite.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Him, but they they disrupted timing and and they disrupted him.
He didn't just drop back and stick on his spot
and throw it when he wanted to throw it where
he wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
To throw it.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
The big story, though, was the officiating, no question about it.
So we asked Jean Sterotor to join us today instead
of tomorrow, since well we knew everyone would want to
hear from Gene h and Abby will have news coming
up at the top. Well, and actually you want because
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Pittsburgh and Baltimore, that's for sure. GINO quite a game yesterday,
and let's just get right into it. The first one
I want to talk about is the Isaiah likely touchdown
or no touchdown. Okay, you made it clear on the broadcast,
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and then afterward there are three criteria that need to
be met.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Secure control of the ball. He had that. He had
to have both feet or body part other than hands inbounce.
He had that.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But you have to have a football move, which means
taking a third step or tucked the ball in to
maintain control of the ball long enough to look as
if you've made a football move.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
That's where I'm lost on this.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
To me, landing in the end zone with the ball
in your hands and taking two steps I would consider
that a football move.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, that's listen. The catch itself is a subjective when
it finishes has always been a subjective piece of a
replay ruling like this. So in order for the stakeholders
to put a play like this in the game, they
have to develop frame by frame, line by line, black
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and white hopefully criteria. And when you have a subjective
element that you can't change to be a black and
white element because of a review, you're going to end
up to this definition. And then you're going to find
these plays, which you know I was part of with
Calvin Johnson des Bryant. I think the Jesse James play
fell in that category where there's this element of subjectivity
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at one piece of it, and then you've got to
try to make that ruling and hope that that ruling
squares with what our saying is one hundred people in
the bar. I'll look at it and go, it's this,
and we can say ninety nine point five of it agree.
But that's where this play goes in my opinion. Now,
when Likely possesses the football, and I think it's important
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to say that those elements have to happen in that
one two three sequence so he does have to possess
the ball first, because if he's bobbling the ball, his
feet don't mean anything yet, so the possession initiates that
three step process. Then you have to get at least
two feet down or a body part which equals two feet.
And then if he's not going to the ground, if
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he's going to the ground, he has to survive the
ground at that point, or if he makes as likely
as scenario is a third step, a full step right
after the second step, now the next foot is the
third step, the play is done and completed, or if
he doesn't have that piece in it because of des
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Bryant's play, who had two steps and then reached for
the end zone or reached for the line to gain
or have the ball in this case likely. The uniqueness
of this play, in my opinion, is that when Likely
possesses this ball initially, his arms are fully extended away
from him. So he's possessed the ball with his arms
fully extended. And now you start one foot two feet
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and he remains with the ball fully extended, and he
has to keep it there because he doesn't want to
tuck it away because porters going to knock the ball
out of his hands. Maybe if he doesn't, you know,
keep it away from him, but there is no real action.
Then that says, okay, where's the football move pulling it
back to your body, reaching something or this time element
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because the third foot doesn't get down just as his
third foot goes to hit the ground, the ball does
pop out right before it. And it's within three frames
and therein laws everything that's happening, I'm sure for the
last fifteen whatever hours, right, So that's that window. And
this play went right to this edge of No, dude,
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that's a touchdown. And wait a minute, let's go by
the principles to break it down. Uh. And then, quite honestly,
and I've been a proponent against this in some ways
with replay and our fans and what's good for the game.
If we slow these things down so much to get
these little elements done, then you've extended how long did
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he really have the football? It feels like he had
the football.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Forever, So it does.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
That's where this all. That's where this all lies, and
that's what's going to create this buzz forever, regardless of
how you start to massage this play or how we're
going to review the play. Uh, that's really the gist
of that. And at the end, what everybody is going
to talk about forever here is I thought he had
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the foot, you know, Joe says, I think he had
the football long enough. Whether he made it's gonna overt
act physically with the ball er as irrelevant. I thought
he had it long enough, and those on the other
end will say he doesn't, right. I mean, so that's
really the essence of this type of play. I think
we all have to be careful as we enhance technology,
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as communication above down below is getting increased because of
all these new good, shiny objects that hopefully are helping,
we got to make sure that some of this stuff
doesn't end up at the end of the day and
we say, look, yeah, it's great new technology, but is
it good for the game? And I think that's a
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bigger question. But really that's really how I broke the
play down in real time within these seconds, and naturally
after listening to everybody in the United States with their
own opinion here in the last ten hours. You know,
that's kind of just where you've got to fall at
the end of the day with the play. And that's
really I think where we are.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Jane speaking of people who had opinions the Aaron Rodgers
catch of the ball that got batted back, John Harbass said,
you have to survive the ground. He didn't survive the ground.
Is he correct or incorrect on that?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well, that's a really there's so many hard plays in
that game. That play was that play? Is that? I
never saw anything like this play. I think the fact
that Rogers, I think he has some point. I really
would love to dive in a little further with those
plays in that play. Specifically, for some other definitions, going
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to the ground usually means that you possess the football
or does mean you've possessed the football while you're upright
or airborne, and you never gain control of your body
as you're going to the grounds. You're stumbling falling. Right
after you possess a football airborne, then you have to
survive the ground. Because these other steps and all the
other elements I just gave you are pretty much based
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on a person who is upright when they come back
to the ground, that they're airborne and possessing it. And
Rogers's play it's if he's possessing that football and his
knee is already on the ground. He has met a
lot of elements and truthfully being touched by a defensive
as well. So is he going to the ground or
is he already on the ground when he's possessing the football?
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And if he's already on the ground now and it's
clear completed possession, uh, and then gets hit, he really doesn't.
It's not going to the ground now. He was there
whenever the possession took place, and then the contact or
the stripping of the ball or whatever that action would
happen at the after. That is really that another piece
of this subjective stuff that causes people to you know,
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not like officials for trying to apply rules that are
being written that they're trying to make sure they get right.
So it's in that window as well. And I thought
that one was really close because there's not a lot
of time elements there either, right, So is it just
immediately dead immediately upon his possession with his knee down
little windows of further discussion I think on that play
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quite honestly.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, See, that's the question I have because to me,
just because he's down, you know, I was asking Mike,
does the tie go to the runner? Which is to say,
it's that point the person who's down. If there are
two people who are in the act of trying to
possess it, but one of them is down, does it
automatically go to that person?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Offense wins? All tis just like baseball, right back buying
it first base glove ball and glove put on base
ty goes to the runner.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
So he's down and and and equally fighting for the
ball with the defender who is not, and therefore he
has the possession and he's down and sore. So that yes,
you know, I got I get what you're saying. Even
if he is down, offense wins that one.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
That's right, okay, because that was my question.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
It seemed like he was still fighting for the ball
when he was down and there was not a definitive
possession on either side.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
I thought at that.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Point I thought he had it and then went down.
That's just personal interpretation.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So you you you explain both of those to us,
so we get that those were actually both properly called.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Right Burg calls great job.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Great job, just happened to benefit the Steelers, and.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
That's that's okay.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
You know, sometimes right don't fold under.
Speaker 11 (39:11):
Pressure and are able to go into a tough envirom.
That's try to execute as they are trained to do. Yes,
godless the NFL officials. Sometimes good things happen to good people. Yes,
that's right, and this is what happened.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Did you have it? This is what happens.
Speaker 10 (39:25):
Did you have an interviewer do an interview in the
Pittsburgh area and that travel two hundred foul southeast of
Pittsburgh and get on another radio and then listen to
someone else. So, yes, to start the morning off in
a positive way to some extent, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Well, now let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
It does seem like they screwed up the personal foul
on the field goal.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yes, on the Christian kunts unnecessary roughness.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
What is the actual rule supposed to be there? You're
not allowed to make contact with head and neck or
any contact.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
I agree with you. I think they missed that too,
and I think I did verbalize that on air. First
and foremost, the center is a defenseless player by his definition,
so it puts him in the same category as a
receiver who's running a crossing route right the quarterback. We
know the people that are defenseless because we're learning all
of those things. So the center, because his head is
down snapping like that, is vulnerable, is not any position
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immediately to be able to defend himself, so he receives
defenseless player protections. That's why they move the noseguard or
any defensive player is not allowed to be lined up
prior to the snap within the frame of the entire
center's body. Is why as he may be, that's why
you see de tackles right in the A gap, not
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shading over top of the center. You'll see referees push
trying to nudge them away a little to make them legal.
So right when that occurs and the snap occurs, now
the defensive player at the snap can't be lined up
outside of the center's frame. And then as the ball
gets snapped with the center's head in most cases still
down and not able to defend himself, you can't go
from the A gap or over the guard and immediately
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take a hard left or right and then blast the
center in the head neck area because his head's down.
So yes, because he's defenseless, he don't want to have
contacted force to the head neck area while he's defenseless,
which is kind of that breadth of a second or
so until he can get his head up, get in
a blocking posture and defend himself. In this case, I
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thought that Pittsburgh went into the A gap. I also
felt like they're in the initial contact with both of
the d tackles in that case, and I was looking
at both of the ninety numbers. Was with the guard
first and then in the A gap. He really never
they never really did contact the headneck area. And now
even if it's not headneck area, if it's violent enough
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and you go into him and blast him, trample him, foul.
But those two players, to me rush the gap as
they're taught to do. There was some incidental contact with
the sensor, but nothing that would have risen to the
level of contacted defenseless player. So the.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Argument it has to be head or neck is incorrect.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
I think it probably falls in that same category. Might yeah,
because if it's immediately head and neck, it's immediately a foul.
But just as in other plays, even if I don't
hit you in the head and neck area, it's a
punter that punted the football and both of his feet
came down, so he's really not getting protection like a
punter would because he's defenseless airborne with his plant leg down.
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If the contact is severe enough, I'm still calling unnecessary
roughness on the contact. So there's still a degree of
contact that plays. May be a different foul by its definition,
but still would be a foul. And I didn't think
either of those pieces had really taken place with that contact.
That was a big play.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, that was a four point run rout. So you
know what, as a gesture of good faith, I'm willing
to give the Ravens those four points back.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Wait no, wait, no, wait, I'm not I'm not I'm
not willing to give it back.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Yeah, never mind two.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Yeah, but Harve was adamant about it has to be
head or next, so he's wrong again.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Well but I no.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
He's not wrong. You no, don't. I wouldn't. Let's not
go I wouldn't go there. No, I would not say that,
because if he was again, when coach Roba was saying
what he's saying at this point, he's more than likely
saying something either based on his interpretation of the player
or maybe what was said to him on the field,
So that may be what they did call. We don't
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know that. Oh, you know, I don't. You don't want
to stamp that, you know what I mean? You don't know,
I take it. You know how you pull that like
one side of your head set off and you give
you that confused look like you used to hate when
you were a kid, when your parents would look at you, like,
tell me what you guys did again? You know, whenever
someone responded to him at that point, you don't know
where that was. So, you know, I think he's let's
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put it this way, regardless you want to dissect how
he said, whether it's a foul or not, or if
he was wrong. He wasn't wrong in my opinion because
it wasn't a foul. So however it wasn't a foul.
He's right, That's where I'd go, right.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Jean's territory Bronzie by Schneider downs just wanting explaining how
the officials did not screw the Ravens. And you know,
just as an aside, you mentioned your history with such things.
How glad were you to be just breaking it down
on CBS and not actually on the field wearing the
white hat, speaking to that massive humanity over your little mic.
Speaker 10 (44:46):
I could tell you, man, I wish I could tell
you that it's almost harder.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
In this space. At times, I felt like, you know,
at least when I was on the field, and I
started it with Calvin Johnson's catch, which was ironically Mike
peiris first game ever as a rules in Wow for
the NFL's attempt. That was the first game opening day
in Chicago with the Lions and the first time that
a network really had a rules analyst on it. And
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then five years went by and we ended up and
saw each other the morning before the Dallas Green Bay
game and one of the two hotels that are available
in Green Bay, they tuled in the morning having coffee
and looked at each other with doroing coffee at five
thirty or six in the morning and said, Hey, great
to see you. I haven't seen you for five years.
Let's not have a Calvin Johnson situation today, laughing. And
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it was Des Bryant. And then the Jule irony as
my journey went was that Super Bowl fifty two, which
was my last game. There were two touchdowns in that
game that of Philadelphia ended up in gut after review
that were both catch plays, and that was Clement in
the back of the end zone, whether the ball was
moving enough to not have control while he was while
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he was toe tapping on the back of the end zone.
And then the zach Ertz play, which really wasn't fully
the Jesse James play, but was really close. And I
was miked at the Super Bowl, and I can tell
you that at some point before the Lord takes me
off of this earth, I would love to hear the
playback of the audio that I set out loud on
the field in Super Bowl fifty two when I realized
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that I was getting buzzed for another catch that was
going to just Super Bowl fifty two.
Speaker 12 (46:23):
I kind of do remember what I said. I just
don't know if it's really ready for television. Yes, but
the catch has followed me for two decades here in
yesterday's Those are hard plays, and listen in this position.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Yeah, I have opinions, but and no, I'm never going
to get everything right. I never got one hundred and
ten percent of every rules tested every clinic in the NFL.
But you do understand the magnitude of what you're going
to say because this is your role. And you know
I say I'm an officiating analyst and not a rules analyst,
because I'm not just that classroom person, I hope. But
when you start to speak about plays like this to
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the country and hopefully maintain the credibility that you hope
you've attained, it's almost more difficult in this space because
you know you are now putting out Look, no one
believes the NCAA when they make a statement from the
Home office about a play two days later. No one
will believe the NFL when they make an official statement
two days later or do a poll report, because we
(47:23):
all have this weird thing like we don't listen to
the authorities as a conspiracy. Who would listen to them?
But when people in these positions make statements like that,
not that you're ever going to be liked, because I've
gotten more hate emails this morning as if I roughed
the game that I did when I was on the field.
You know, you do know that. It's like, you know,
(47:44):
I'm going to listen to this guy now because he's
actually not the NFL right quote unquote, at least the
ones that don't want to put you in that box.
So there's a ton of pressure when you do this
and you don't, you're not the job can't be to
match what you think the NFL is doing. You have
to voice your opinion a lot of times, and then truthfully,
then you have to do what we're doing right now, Look,
(48:05):
these are the rules. We didn't write the rules. Uh now,
please try to explain this to me so I can
digest this and still like you at the end of
the conversation and not think you know, you're this person
that's trying to ruin this game I love. So there's
a ton of pressure with this one, but a little less,
maybe because I was sitting in a chair and not
you know, running for three and a half hours in
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twenty two degree weather yesterday either so, but a lot
of anxiety with some of this stuff, which is why
I do it. I mean, let's be honest, you're the
best things like this, You're the best gene we got
to go.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
But I do think it was smart of Alex More
to pretend his microphone was busted on that one.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
That was.
Speaker 10 (48:44):
The young rookie has learned a little from me to
tap on that mic Look at that guy on the
saga who's got the batteries, like we're never gonna miss it.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
And then you say I have to and you're like, yo,
this thing is that working? What's going on with you?
People like aren't you kidding me?
Speaker 10 (49:06):
And that poor person on the sideline's going to get
fired because he didn't change the nine bolt batteries after
the third quarter time up.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Yeah, you gotta do it. It's part of the game Boys.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
What's the foot claps, the hands gets the snap back
the pass.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Look when the Raven's bringing pressure and the balls.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Knocked a round at the line of scrimmage and Rogers
caught it.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
No, the Ravens have it.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
It's Teddy, you canned.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
He was battling with Rogers and they say if you
can and came down with it.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
For the students, it's bad at the line of scrimmage and.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
At the bottom of the pile they're saying, the Ravens
have the.
Speaker 6 (00:35):
Balls is eternally to bring this way and then the
further da I mean, I guess the question there is
going to.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Be, did Rogers have possession of it?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Off?
Speaker 4 (00:46):
When his knock out on the field, there's usually a
good sign.
Speaker 7 (00:49):
Yeah, Pittsburgh was down by contact with possession of the ball.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
One of the three calls by the officials yesterday that
drew the ire of Ravens fans. And I'm not so sure.
I don't know that one. I don't love. I kind
of feel like he fought for the ball at the
same time as the Ravens defender and then his knees down.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I don't know if he totally has possession of it.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
There.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
We're gonna talk to Jean Starator in forty minutes. He'll
clear up everything. We already know what the league's stances
on the Isaiah Likely touchdown. There were so many calls
yesterday outside of that that were like little ones that
I think had a little reverberating effect when we challenge.
There's a Flowers catch that I still don't think was
a catch. They challenged the Calvin Austin that they said
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wasn't a catch, But if the Flowers one was, I
don't understand why the Calvin Austin third down catch where
he falls out of bounds and the ball moves a
little bit, why that's not a catch?
Speaker 7 (01:53):
The likely one is gonna be brutal, and as Pittsburgh's
we have to feel a little sympathetic for Paul to more.
Seven years ago, it was Jesse James getting told that
a catch is not a catch unless it's caught in
the process of making a catch while catching it. So like,
that's right, So we're in the same And my whole
thing is, uh, have have we heard from Jesse James since?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Like where Jesse James evaporated it?
Speaker 7 (02:16):
Like I feel like at this point, he's just haunting
Roger Goodell's office at NFL headquarters like he's the Phantom
of the opera, Like every time a catch gets overturned,
a chandelier mysteriously.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Falls from the ceiling.
Speaker 7 (02:30):
And I don't know, like, like I'm honestly like, did
they I know stereotory was gonna get into this in
a little bit, but like, to me, making a catch
in the NFL now is like a Facebook relationship status,
like it is complicated, like.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It it seems like it's getting more and more.
Speaker 7 (02:46):
Complicated, Like I didn't know that this whole football move
was was an evil.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I need the football move, but I don't know what
constitutes a football move, and I didn't know it was
getting three steps in the end zone. To me, the
football move was when he caught it. That's a football move.
Like he catches it and then he's holding it like Frankenstein, Like.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Okay, he's taken two steps. That to me should have
been a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I'm so glad it wasn't, and I'll take the w
and I'm not upset about it the least, But boy,
they are losing their minds in Baltimore today, especially because
it was against the Steelers with the division on the line.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
Well, it's because you have refs out here sounding like
college freshmen that just took shrooms for the first time. Like, yeah,
it looks like a catch, But like, isn't this all
just a simulation, man? And we need refs to be
consistent humans like higherarchy.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
We like clear laws. We thriving clear laws.
Speaker 7 (03:47):
We need refs, or the NFL would be like playing
football with that one big, mean neighborhood kid who would
like make up his own rules. You know, he just
be out there, like my team gets five downs and
your team doesn't allowed to pass the ball?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
What why is that?
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Because I hit puberty early and my dad's never home.
I don't know how these refs do it. Like I
could never ever be a referee. That's why he didn't
turn on his mic when he said that the likely.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I don't know these guys. I mean, they should bring.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Out a ventriloquist dummy and then everyone will just get
mad at the dummy.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
That make it way more palatable. Yeah, but like I can't,
I don't.
Speaker 7 (04:28):
I can don't know how I to identify with these
guys because they have to make unpopular decisions like I
have such an insatiable need to be like, there is
no way I could be a referee whatsoever. The first
time I'd make a call that anybody disagreed with, I'd
be like false start offense, boo, uh, never mind defense,
that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Take three points off the boards. You guys are going,
my friends, right, I'm with you on that. Imagine the
post game commiserating that goes on with the Zebras. I mean,
they just down cocktails like they make air traffic controllers
look like yoga instructors in terms of stress.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Well, because here's the other problem is that the refs
have to contend with people. They're subject to the popular
opinion of people who don't know what they're talking about.
How many people in a sixty thousand seat stadium know
what constitutes an illegal formation?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Well, that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Did you know that like gain Well was not on
the line and that was illegal formation two weeks ago?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I didn't see. I didn't know that.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
I'll bet you out of sixty thousand people in a stadium,
what maybe a thousand people know what like an.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Illegal formation they see at the tackle.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
So then let's subtract from that one thousand people, the
people who are so drunk they can't see straight. To
begin with, it's so many men on the feel they
got like twenty two guys out there, a lot of
those wearing the same number like that. Why do you
have to these people have to take the opinions of
people who don't know what they're talking about into heart
(05:59):
Like like Jeff, everybody has to take the opinion of
people who don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
What they're talking about. That's true.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
If you have most people with opinions don't know what
they're talking about.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
That's true. I always say opinions are like a holes.
You shouldn't share yours on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Jean's territor is gonna join us at eight forty five,
and I can't wait to hear him say things that
are going to infuriate Ravens fans because he's going into
his guns. It's gonna make its way back to Baltimore
and they're gonna hear that. Jeen's terotor popped onto the
Steeler's flagship station today and said, now the refs had
it right all along, and Harbaugh's head is gonna explode.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
Well in the game, he said that the the uh
unnecessary roughness on Coon's was a bad baby like that
was a bad call. So, I mean, I don't know.
Like that to me, that gives you credibility. If you're
saying that one was, then the other one, I think
that you can take it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You can take it the.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Heart if the other one was by the letter of
the law, by the letter of the rule. The only
one they screwed up was that one.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But in terms of the eye test, which I think
most football should be adjudicated when it's all said and done,
and it was for you know, the entirety of the
sport until technology recently made that you know, go away?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (07:18):
If it passes the eye test, it's good enough. Rogers
having possession there, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I know, my David tyree the pin in it against
the helmet going down? Yeah, the likely touchdown? How is
it not a touchdown? I don't even get it.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
But I think the same thing with the Calvin Austin
catch and is a Flowers ketch. Like the lack of
consistency is what's pissing people off. There's no doubt we'll
talk to gen As I said. In a half an hour,
Abby's got a news update for you.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
First News this hour brought to you by wind Donation.
Speaker 8 (07:45):
It's cloudy and very cold today with a high of
just thirty. All right, I want to know what you're
feeling on This is for big music festivals. If somebody
brings a beach ball or an inflatable, are.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
They the fun or are they a d bag?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
It's weird because there are bands like Metallica that sell
Metallica beach balls, and that is a strange thing to
me because it doesn't seem to fit with the the vibe, right,
And I know what the story is about. I uh,
I don't love beach balls, but they don't.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Beach ball comes my way, I'm gonna bat it around,
but it depends.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
It depends on what show though, right, Like, I actually
don't want it in a Metallica show. To me, that's like
a Cyndy Lapper thing, Sidney Lapper. Could I come up
with a more dated reference.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
But like she's choring, like it's like it a Sabrina
Carpenter show.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
They're like, it's fun loving, and I disagree with you.
Speaker 7 (08:50):
I think if you were at a funeral and a
beach ball came your way, you'd be like your instinctual
reaction be like, keep you uppy, keep you up.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
That's thing.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Every time I think of beach ball, I think of
that Simpsons scene where where somebody's going I count remember
for its parts, going through spank therapy, and the guy's
just spanking him non stop and he's spanking him on
like for days, and then.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
A windows open and a beach ball comes through sank
outward motion.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
But the beach ball at a concert thing summer vibes
Jimmy Buffett, sure, but at Marilyn Manson, no, well, I.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
Think it pops the tension a little bit, and those
shows you start realizing you're like, all right, let's not
take ourselves too serious.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
But the reason you're bringing this story up.
Speaker 8 (09:31):
Is because Garbage was performing in Australia and apparently somebody
started tossing a beach ball around and some fans apparently
got annoyed by it, and the performer did too. Shirley
Manson of Garbage got really upset about it, which actually
shocked me how upset she got about it, to the
point where she stopped the show and did a full
(09:54):
on rant about it.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Oh God, with your big beach Ball. I'm so scared
of you, so thrilled by you.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
What she went on to say, I joined a band
because I hate the beach.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
It seemed like a deep core wound.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
Yes, something something happened to her at a sand castle
or carnival or something.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Her brother was killed by a shark something.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
It does seem like on this tour she's been using
any kind of grievance to use it as a way
to talk about what artists are owed.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Her Spotify rant was great, it was the beach Ball
rat a little just I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And we got to point out that Pittsburgh, Katie Moran
is the tour manager on that tour and was probably
probably at a front row seat for all that. I'm sure,
but I'm wondering what set her off about beach Ball.
Just that vibe I think doesn't fit garbage shows. It'd
be like one at a Courtney Love like a whole
(11:12):
show it is. Yeah, I kind of associated more with
summary shows, but her hatred of it seems really disproportionate.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Well, she's in Australia and it's summer in Australia, so
she can't use that as it Maybe that's it she's
like it's winter. It's like not in the Southern Hemisphere,
We're still the axis is tilted the other way here
in Australia.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Very beachy, I agree, very very beachy. Is speaking of
music festivals.
Speaker 8 (11:35):
For Billy McFarland, it appears that third time really is
the charm. After the colossal failure of Firefest one and
Firefest two, McFarland actually managed to stage a real physical
music festival that he called Phoenix. It was in Honduras
on Saturday nights and artists actually showed up, and people
(12:01):
showed up, and there were bathrooms and edible food. But
success is a loose term. It probably varies on your
interpretation of the word. But for McFarlane, who spent four
hours in prison on fraud charges in the aftermath of
fire Festival, he can say that he definitely put on
a festival. Okay, so it was French Montana, Okay, Bobby.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Suermuda, Bobby Schmerta Schmerda. Yeah, Okay, I didn't know what.
I don't know who that is.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
I can't believe you know that.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
My dog's up in the doghouse. Sorry, I'm the only
one knows that one. I can't believe you know Bobby Schmer,
who's Slim Jimmy. Slim Jimmy I'm not familiar with.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
Okay, Well, they all took the stage at various points
on Saturday night, and it was live streamed. And I
know that because I saw a few on TikTok and
this looked like the saddest office party that you've ever.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Seen in your life.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Look bad.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I saw it.
Speaker 8 (12:57):
Yeah, just a couple red solo cups and some really
drunk forty something.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
It looked like festivals that I've been booked at in
my twenties, like where you go and you're like, yeah, dude,
huge festival.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
This is gonna be great for the band.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
You go.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Nobody's there. Yes, Oh, this isn't as great as we talked.
Speaker 8 (13:12):
Very sparsely attended, only a few hundred people on site
by a very rough count. A social media post shared
ahead of Saturday's festivities also suggested that locals were encouraged
to attend for free just to try to.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Like juice the numbers.
Speaker 8 (13:26):
But the live stream was like a pov feed price
that was like six ninety nine, but even that only
had one hundred active viewers at its peak. So people
weren't into it, so they probably took a bath on
this just to get French Montana.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
They probably had other acts, but the air force blew
them up in the water. Bobby was smart, are smart
at in the Atlantic Ocean?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Was queuing that up? Dude?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean short of actually whole to get in Venezuela
is Central America.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
They don't know the difference.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
There's a boat coming from South America and I'm gonna
just press the button.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, I don't know who gave that guy money does
How does he have money to throw a festival?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
How is he paying those acts?
Speaker 7 (14:17):
I literally think there's this whole sub economy of people
with too much money, like who spend it because it's
they know it's going nowhere? And I feel like this
guy gets funded because there's some like rich oil magnate son.
That's just like, wouldn't it be funny if I gave
this guy a million dollars to get Bobby Schmerda to Honduras,
(14:37):
Like that's how much money these people have.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
This is to do it for the lolls crowd, right exactly?
The money?
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Yeah, who travels abroad to go see that show? Like
that's a show that you'd go to do what what
Detroit for? Maybe not to Hondoras agreed No, And what
happened to Jau where's all he escaped?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I'm not exactly sure how he got away unscathed. I
just remember what was already pretty scathed at that point.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
He he he didn't have a lot of a lot
of political capital to spend it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I don't think the bar could have got much lower.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, when that documentary came out, I remember he played
Jurgles like right after that, and I was thinking, like,
one guy's in jail and the other guy's playing in
Jurgles and they both were complicit.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Here's the moral in the story is if fifty cent
doesn't like you, there's a good reason you should listen
to fifty cent.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
He's apparently a great judge of character.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
He kind of is in a weird way that does
bear out.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Dude, he was on the ped did he trained like
a decade ago, and no one was listening to him.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
And he wasn't afraid because everyone thought it was just
like petty, you know what I mean, like he had
a petty grievance.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
It's like, no, he actually knew what was going on there.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Yeah, and he was obviously tough enough and rich enough
to withstand be Like, I don't care, so now what
are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
The diddy thing is kinda I feel like it's being
underplayed that they basically learned, basically learned he had two
po and Biggie killed and then like made his widow
sing a song about him while he danced around at
the Grammys saying.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
How much he loved him.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
And he's the guy that had.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
Him killed and had him pay for his own funeral,
had the estate pay for his own funeral.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, like that seems like it should be a much
bigger story in the national consciousness right now.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
No, well deaf, I mean, but does I don't know,
Like I think the Tupac Biggie feud is so ingrained
in American music culture that nobody really I don't know
if anybody really wants to let go of that yet,
like and admit that it was there was a lone actor,
or that it wasn't some kind of big cultural significance
and it was just some guy kind of ginning up
(16:47):
a discord between two rival factions.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I don't know if we're ready to let go of
that yet.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't know, but it would seem to me that,
like when we had Bill Bellamin here the other day, Yeah,
I know he knows a lot of those people, and
I kind of wanted to ask him of a lot
of questions about it that.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I'm like, yeah, that'll be rude. Well, that just he's
a good guy. I don't want to.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Mess with him.
Speaker 8 (17:05):
Fifty cent was just built to be like one of
the most hilarious bullies you've ever met in your life.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
The fact that he dated what's their name, the comedians
Chelsea Handler, like that is such a funny couple. To me,
that's a pretty funny cuffle right up there with Brigitte
Nielsen and Flavor Flav. Yeah, like, just do not see
these two haven't anything in common, and yet they apparently.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Had one thing that was really important.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Yeah, it is very cold today.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It's gonna be a high of just thirty.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Michael, being with your sports, We're gonna talk to Jeen
Stertor at eight forty five today and he's gonna lay
it all out for you. How that all unfolded. And
except for the unnecessary roughness on Coon's on that field goal,
they got it right on the other ones. I don't
know Ravens fans, I think they have a right to
be pissed today. I'm happy with it. We beat the Ravens.
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I don't care how it happened. We're in first place
in the AFC North, and I'm gonna enjoy it because
you have all the way until Monday night when the
Dolphins come to town for Monday Night football. To live
in this world where the Steelers are headed to the playoffs. Now,
if they lose on Monday Night, well things start to
turn in the other Right, didn't look bad either yesterday.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
Now, four wins in a row and Steelers in primetime
always makes me.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Pucker a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Rob came with a power hour. The Pucker Hour is
a better name for it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yeah like it.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
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Speaker 3 (19:00):
Pursuer joining us now Steelers twenty seven Ravens twenty two
battle for the AFC North at M ANDT Bank in Baltimore.
Yesterday goes the Steeler's way. I wonder what it was
like walking out of there.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, I can tell you you know what's funny now.
And I was thinking about this yesterday. Walking out of
sporting events now.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Is just a like dodging a myriad of people who
are recording their like rage yesh, yeah, just staring into
their camera, walking and talking and screaming. I saw a
bunch of that from the Big Ten Championship on Saturday
night again, congratulations Jacob to your Indiana Hoosiers. And I
saw a bunch of it from the Ravens game yesterday.
(19:41):
Just we're turning into these people who don't even talk
to each other. It's excuse me, I need to talk
to my audience.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
If I was a Steelers fan, I think I wouldn't
have walked out. I would have run, yeah, to get
as far away from people as I.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Think Guy would have. I would have waited in the
stadium for like an hour. Let it clear out option.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Either that or you go to the Ravens Pro shop
you get a shirt on discount, you throw that over
top of everything and you just start shaking your head
and sayings freaking reps the whole way out, and then
you're safe, right like the end of victory where they
all put the coats on, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Yeah, that's why I always bring a fake mustache every way.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
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Speaker 2 (20:24):
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Speaker 6 (20:26):
Applying to the steels cap the most tumultuous week in
Mike Tobblins nineteen seasons with a dramatic, potentially season saving
win in Baltimore, Wide receiver Calvin Austin IID insisted all
the negativity pouring from the stands at Acriture the previous
Sunday had no bearing on how the players approached beating
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the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
To be like hunt, we don't care. Oh, like.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The whole world to be chanting fire, coach, were gonna
be a coach at today that autodamic played in talking.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Room, the whole world could be It sounded like the
whole world was I love that guy?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
No, Calvin Austin just seems like a good teammate. I
don't know every sound clip I've heard of him. It
just sounds sounds like he's a good locker room guy.
He's been on the show a few times and it's
always outstanding.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of respect for that guy.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I mean, he's got obviously some he's vertically challenged.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, but he's so fast.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean, yeah, you to our earlier point, you can
have one of those.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Guys, you can't have a bunch of them.
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Linebacker Patrick Queen another Steelers player who maintained that part
of the deal last week was just ignore the noise.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
And the end of the day, this media media gonna
do stuff like that. Any guy in the build I
could care less. You know, it's a brotherhood as a family.
We got each other's back. All we cared about was
in the building. All the stuff outside we could care
less about. We just wanted to do his best for
us on our team. So just being able to get
a win like this right now, no creat momental.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
Oh.
Speaker 9 (22:01):
I think at the end of the day, we all
understand how everything went this week, so we need to
repeat that.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
This week I was talking about how everything went. He
the whole preparation process and practice in the meetings and everything.
It's it matters now. I mean it matters in September two,
but it really matters now.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
But this is why griping helps the fans.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
All of that noise.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Last week put the pressure on these guys.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Not that they wouldn't have had a certain amount of
pressure they would put on themselves to perform better, but
the noise, the cacophony of complaints coming from Steeler Nation,
really puts the pressure on them, like, hey, you guys
got we got to focus here. And as much as
I didn't love the fact that Aaron Rodgers seemed very
casual about I mean, it's just the Ravens game, and
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you know it's a big, big game. We just gotta
just gotta be better in preparation. And I wanted him
to be more like TJ. Watt, foaming at the mouth, like, yeah,
this is the raven But he's like that during the game,
he's like that dealing. Well, you saw us.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
He wanted to murder Arthur Smith yesterday.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, which have maybe been in favor.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Of How did they not have a play ready to go?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
There?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He summing a guy, you.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Know, we didn't catch it. Let's just get up there
and do something silly.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And I you know, and you see him get pissed aupy.
I know that he saves his excitement for the ice.
I gut all right, But I even think that the
coaching was better this week. They were way better coached
up on defense. Even though they let the Ravens run
for over two hundred yards. Oddly, it looked better than
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it did against the bill.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I don't think you're saying I thought it was pretty credible. Now,
two seventeen sucks on paper, but one.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Of those runs was a what sixty five yard? No,
I mean that it counts.
Speaker 6 (23:47):
But they didn't let Baltimore dictate the game running, which
is what Buffalo did. And and because they didn't let
Baltimore dictate the game running, they were able to play
from ahead, and that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Helped rum Rumo's going nuts that they weren't running the ball.
He's like, what are you doing? Our budd does this
historically against us all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
It doesn't against other people.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
He's nineteen thirty five for Lamar Jackson yesterday.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
I don't know why they just don't go big ten
and you know, old school big ten and run the
ball sixty times and throw it eight.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It would work.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
It probably would, Yeah, And that's you know that He's
got his detractors in his neighborhood too, and that's why
because they too often get away from the run.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
That two minute drill at the end of the game
for Baltimore would have you would have on the postgame
wrap up show. You can better believe that was going
to be a topic of conversation. That seemed like they
were taking their sweet old time getting down the field.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Lamar is bad in those situations, Like as much like
I kind of wonder is Caleb Williams going to be
the next Lamar? Like all this potential that never gets realized.
And with Lamar, it's just the big games. He just
crumbles in big games and crumbles the playoffs. That's not good.
You saw what was they posted his record like against
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division rivals and in the postseason it's not good at all.
And it's almost spotless against everybody everybody else.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
But that's no margarci par you know what I mean.
It's like, uh, oh, was it eleven nothing?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:18):
He was five for five today? Was it two to one?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
He was zero for four.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
There's some of that every once in a while. Defensively,
they clearly have their warts. Statistically they're not good, and
we've all seen them blow coverages and get run over
and all the warts have been on display but safe situations.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
This isn't an.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
NFL stat but it's one of my stats. When they're
on the field at the end of the game and
they have to get a stop to win their four
and one. Wow, Really Jets, New England, Minnesota and Baltimore yesterday.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Wow, they blew the game at Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Remember the long Rogers to Friarmooth's play and then they
let the Bengals go down to field and scored again.
They also did not keep the Seattle game in one
score game in the fourth quarter latter stages of the
fourth quarter. Remember they hit that long pass. Yeah, Jalen Ramsey,
I think that was Jackson Smith. But in the Chicago game,
they got the ball back twice for the offense and
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the offense couldn't finish it.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Lamar Jackson is one one in six versus the Chiefs,
two and four versus the Bills, three and five versus
the Steelers, and three and five in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
He's also two time MVP, and he may well win
another one before he's done.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Not this year, not this year, Not this year. He
looked banged up.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
I mean like even on some of the rushing plays,
like you could amost see him Winsie, what's he is
he at?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I I thought he moved his ankles all messed up.
I thought that he moved pretty well all things considered.
And Romo was pointing that out too. He's like, oh,
I see the explosiveness.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He never looks rattled when the pressure's on.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
He has he has a great feel for the power.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
And they can't bring him down. Nobody can bring that.
Driving me nuts.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Yesterday her big high Smith all had him en TJ
had him wrapped up at one point. They just couldn't
get him down before he hold on to his leg.
Please fall down, Please fall down. I know he wanted
to roll him there so bad, bite.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Him, but they they disrupted timing and and they disrupted him.
He didn't just drop back and stick on his spot
and throw it when he wanted to throw it where
he wanted.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
To throw it.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Well.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
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So we asked Jean Sterotor to join us today instead
of tomorrow, since well we knew everyone would want to
hear from Gene h and Abby will have news coming
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Pittsburgh and Baltimore, that's for sure. GINO quite a game yesterday,
and let's just get right into it. The first one
I want to talk about is the Isaiah likely touchdown
or no touchdown. Okay, you made it clear on the broadcast,
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and then afterward there are three criteria that need to
be met.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Secure control of the ball. He had that. He had
to have both feet or body part other than hands inbounce.
He had that.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
But you have to have a football move, which means
taking a third step or tucked the ball in to
maintain control of the ball long enough to look as
if you've made a football move.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
That's where I'm lost on this.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
To me, landing in the end zone with the ball
in your hands and taking two steps I would consider
that a football move.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
Yeah, that's listen. The catch itself is a subjective when
it finishes has always been a subjective piece of a
replay ruling like this. So in order for the stakeholders
to put a play like this in the game, they
have to develop frame by frame, line by line, black
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and white hopefully criteria. And when you have a subjective
element that you can't change to be a black and
white element because of a review, you're going to end
up to this definition. And then you're going to find
these plays, which you know I was part of with
Calvin Johnson des Bryant. I think the Jesse James play
fell in that category where there's this element of subjectivity
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at one piece of it, and then you've got to
try to make that ruling and hope that that ruling
squares with what our saying is one hundred people in
the bar. I'll look at it and go, it's this,
and we can say ninety nine point five of it agree.
But that's where this play goes in my opinion. Now,
when Likely possesses the football, and I think it's important
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to say that those elements have to happen in that
one two three sequence so he does have to possess
the ball first, because if he's bobbling the ball, his
feet don't mean anything yet, so the possession initiates that
three step process. Then you have to get at least
two feet down or a body part which equals two feet.
And then if he's not going to the ground, if
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he's going to the ground, he has to survive the
ground at that point, or if he makes as likely
as scenario is a third step, a full step right
after the second step, now the next foot is the
third step, the play is done and completed, or if
he doesn't have that piece in it because of des
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Bryant's play, who had two steps and then reached for
the end zone or reached for the line to gain
or have the ball in this case likely. The uniqueness
of this play, in my opinion, is that when Likely
possesses this ball initially, his arms are fully extended away
from him. So he's possessed the ball with his arms
fully extended. And now you start one foot two feet
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and he remains with the ball fully extended, and he
has to keep it there because he doesn't want to
tuck it away because porters going to knock the ball
out of his hands. Maybe if he doesn't, you know,
keep it away from him, but there is no real action.
Then that says, okay, where's the football move pulling it
back to your body, reaching something or this time element
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because the third foot doesn't get down just as his
third foot goes to hit the ground, the ball does
pop out right before it. And it's within three frames
and therein laws everything that's happening, I'm sure for the
last fifteen whatever hours, right, So that's that window. And
this play went right to this edge of No, dude,
(33:58):
that's a touchdown. And wait a minute, let's go by
the principles to break it down. Uh. And then, quite honestly,
and I've been a proponent against this in some ways
with replay and our fans and what's good for the game.
If we slow these things down so much to get
these little elements done, then you've extended how long did
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he really have the football? It feels like he had
the football.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Forever, So it does.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
That's where this all. That's where this all lies, and
that's what's going to create this buzz forever, regardless of
how you start to massage this play or how we're
going to review the play. Uh, that's really the gist
of that. And at the end, what everybody is going
to talk about forever here is I thought he had
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the foot, you know, Joe says, I think he had
the football long enough. Whether he made it's gonna overt
act physically with the ball er as irrelevant. I thought
he had it long enough, and those on the other
end will say he doesn't, right. I mean, so that's
really the essence of this type of play. I think
we all have to be careful as we enhance technology,
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as communication above down below is getting increased because of
all these new good, shiny objects that hopefully are helping,
we got to make sure that some of this stuff
doesn't end up at the end of the day and
we say, look, yeah, it's great new technology, but is
it good for the game? And I think that's a
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bigger question. But really that's really how I broke the
play down in real time within these seconds, and naturally
after listening to everybody in the United States with their
own opinion here in the last ten hours. You know,
that's kind of just where you've got to fall at
the end of the day with the play. And that's
really I think where we are.
Speaker 6 (35:44):
Jane speaking of people who had opinions the Aaron Rodgers
catch of the ball that got batted back, John Harbass said,
you have to survive the ground. He didn't survive the ground.
Is he correct or incorrect on that?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Well, that's a really there's so many hard plays in
that game. That play was that play? Is that? I
never saw anything like this play. I think the fact
that Rogers, I think he has some point. I really
would love to dive in a little further with those
plays in that play. Specifically, for some other definitions, going
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to the ground usually means that you possess the football
or does mean you've possessed the football while you're upright
or airborne, and you never gain control of your body
as you're going to the grounds. You're stumbling falling. Right
after you possess a football airborne, then you have to
survive the ground. Because these other steps and all the
other elements I just gave you are pretty much based
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on a person who is upright when they come back
to the ground, that they're airborne and possessing it. And
Rogers's play it's if he's possessing that football and his
knee is already on the ground. He has met a
lot of elements and truthfully being touched by a defensive
as well. So is he going to the ground or
is he already on the ground when he's possessing the football?
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And if he's already on the ground now and it's
clear completed possession, uh, and then gets hit, he really doesn't.
It's not going to the ground now. He was there
whenever the possession took place, and then the contact or
the stripping of the ball or whatever that action would
happen at the after. That is really that another piece
of this subjective stuff that causes people to you know,
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not like officials for trying to apply rules that are
being written that they're trying to make sure they get right.
So it's in that window as well. And I thought
that one was really close because there's not a lot
of time elements there either, right, So is it just
immediately dead immediately upon his possession with his knee down
little windows of further discussion I think on that play
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quite honestly.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Yeah, See, that's the question I have because to me,
just because he's down, you know, I was asking Mike,
does the tie go to the runner? Which is to say,
it's that point the person who's down. If there are
two people who are in the act of trying to
possess it, but one of them is down, does it
automatically go to that person?
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Offense wins? All tis just like baseball, right back buying
it first base glove ball and glove put on base
ty goes to the runner.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
So he's down and and and equally fighting for the
ball with the defender who is not, and therefore he
has the possession and he's down and sore. So that yes,
you know, I got I get what you're saying. Even
if he is down, offense wins that one.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
That's right, okay, because that was my question.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
It seemed like he was still fighting for the ball
when he was down and there was not a definitive
possession on either side.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
I thought at that.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Point I thought he had it and then went down.
That's just personal interpretation.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So you you you explain both of those to us,
so we get that those were actually both properly called.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Right Burg calls great job.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Great job, just happened to benefit the Steelers, and.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
That's that's okay.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
You know, sometimes right don't fold under.
Speaker 11 (39:11):
Pressure and are able to go into a tough envirom.
That's try to execute as they are trained to do. Yes,
godless the NFL officials. Sometimes good things happen to good people. Yes,
that's right, and this is what happened.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Did you have it? This is what happens.
Speaker 10 (39:25):
Did you have an interviewer do an interview in the
Pittsburgh area and that travel two hundred foul southeast of
Pittsburgh and get on another radio and then listen to
someone else. So, yes, to start the morning off in
a positive way to some extent, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Well, now let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
It does seem like they screwed up the personal foul
on the field goal.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Yes, on the Christian kunts unnecessary roughness.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
What is the actual rule supposed to be there? You're
not allowed to make contact with head and neck or
any contact.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
I agree with you. I think they missed that too,
and I think I did verbalize that on air. First
and foremost, the center is a defenseless player by his definition,
so it puts him in the same category as a
receiver who's running a crossing route right the quarterback. We
know the people that are defenseless because we're learning all
of those things. So the center, because his head is
down snapping like that, is vulnerable, is not any position
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immediately to be able to defend himself, so he receives
defenseless player protections. That's why they move the noseguard or
any defensive player is not allowed to be lined up
prior to the snap within the frame of the entire
center's body. Is why as he may be, that's why
you see de tackles right in the A gap, not
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shading over top of the center. You'll see referees push
trying to nudge them away a little to make them legal.
So right when that occurs and the snap occurs, now
the defensive player at the snap can't be lined up
outside of the center's frame. And then as the ball
gets snapped with the center's head in most cases still
down and not able to defend himself, you can't go
from the A gap or over the guard and immediately
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take a hard left or right and then blast the
center in the head neck area because his head's down.
So yes, because he's defenseless, he don't want to have
contacted force to the head neck area while he's defenseless,
which is kind of that breadth of a second or
so until he can get his head up, get in
a blocking posture and defend himself. In this case, I
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thought that Pittsburgh went into the A gap. I also
felt like they're in the initial contact with both of
the d tackles in that case, and I was looking
at both of the ninety numbers. Was with the guard
first and then in the A gap. He really never
they never really did contact the headneck area. And now
even if it's not headneck area, if it's violent enough
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and you go into him and blast him, trample him, foul.
But those two players, to me rush the gap as
they're taught to do. There was some incidental contact with
the sensor, but nothing that would have risen to the
level of contacted defenseless player. So the.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Argument it has to be head or neck is incorrect.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
I think it probably falls in that same category. Might yeah,
because if it's immediately head and neck, it's immediately a foul.
But just as in other plays, even if I don't
hit you in the head and neck area, it's a
punter that punted the football and both of his feet
came down, so he's really not getting protection like a
punter would because he's defenseless airborne with his plant leg down.
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If the contact is severe enough, I'm still calling unnecessary
roughness on the contact. So there's still a degree of
contact that plays. May be a different foul by its definition,
but still would be a foul. And I didn't think
either of those pieces had really taken place with that contact.
That was a big play.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Well, that was a four point run rout. So you
know what, as a gesture of good faith, I'm willing
to give the Ravens those four points back.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Wait no, wait, no, wait, I'm not I'm not I'm
not willing to give it back.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
Yeah, never mind two.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
Yeah, but Harve was adamant about it has to be
head or next, so he's wrong again.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Well but I no.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
He's not wrong. You no, don't. I wouldn't. Let's not
go I wouldn't go there. No, I would not say that,
because if he was again, when coach Roba was saying
what he's saying at this point, he's more than likely
saying something either based on his interpretation of the player
or maybe what was said to him on the field,
So that may be what they did call. We don't
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know that. Oh, you know, I don't. You don't want
to stamp that, you know what I mean? You don't know,
I take it. You know how you pull that like
one side of your head set off and you give
you that confused look like you used to hate when
you were a kid, when your parents would look at you, like,
tell me what you guys did again? You know, whenever
someone responded to him at that point, you don't know
where that was. So, you know, I think he's let's
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put it this way, regardless you want to dissect how
he said, whether it's a foul or not, or if
he was wrong. He wasn't wrong in my opinion because
it wasn't a foul. So however it wasn't a foul.
He's right, That's where I'd go, right.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
Jean's territory Bronzie by Schneider downs just wanting explaining how
the officials did not screw the Ravens. And you know,
just as an aside, you mentioned your history with such things.
How glad were you to be just breaking it down
on CBS and not actually on the field wearing the
white hat, speaking to that massive humanity over your little mic.
Speaker 10 (44:46):
I could tell you, man, I wish I could tell
you that it's almost harder.
Speaker 5 (44:51):
In this space. At times, I felt like, you know,
at least when I was on the field, and I
started it with Calvin Johnson's catch, which was ironically Mike
peiris first game ever as a rules in Wow for
the NFL's attempt. That was the first game opening day
in Chicago with the Lions and the first time that
a network really had a rules analyst on it. And
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then five years went by and we ended up and
saw each other the morning before the Dallas Green Bay
game and one of the two hotels that are available
in Green Bay, they tuled in the morning having coffee
and looked at each other with doroing coffee at five
thirty or six in the morning and said, Hey, great
to see you. I haven't seen you for five years.
Let's not have a Calvin Johnson situation today, laughing. And
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it was Des Bryant. And then the Jule irony as
my journey went was that Super Bowl fifty two, which
was my last game. There were two touchdowns in that
game that of Philadelphia ended up in gut after review
that were both catch plays, and that was Clement in
the back of the end zone, whether the ball was
moving enough to not have control while he was while
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he was toe tapping on the back of the end zone.
And then the zach Ertz play, which really wasn't fully
the Jesse James play, but was really close. And I
was miked at the Super Bowl, and I can tell
you that at some point before the Lord takes me
off of this earth, I would love to hear the
playback of the audio that I set out loud on
the field in Super Bowl fifty two when I realized
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that I was getting buzzed for another catch that was
going to just Super Bowl fifty two.
Speaker 12 (46:23):
I kind of do remember what I said. I just
don't know if it's really ready for television. Yes, but
the catch has followed me for two decades here in
yesterday's Those are hard plays, and listen in this position.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Yeah, I have opinions, but and no, I'm never going
to get everything right. I never got one hundred and
ten percent of every rules tested every clinic in the NFL.
But you do understand the magnitude of what you're going
to say because this is your role. And you know
I say I'm an officiating analyst and not a rules analyst,
because I'm not just that classroom person, I hope. But
when you start to speak about plays like this to
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the country and hopefully maintain the credibility that you hope
you've attained, it's almost more difficult in this space because
you know you are now putting out Look, no one
believes the NCAA when they make a statement from the
Home office about a play two days later. No one
will believe the NFL when they make an official statement
two days later or do a poll report, because we
(47:23):
all have this weird thing like we don't listen to
the authorities as a conspiracy. Who would listen to them?
But when people in these positions make statements like that,
not that you're ever going to be liked, because I've
gotten more hate emails this morning as if I roughed
the game that I did when I was on the field.
You know, you do know that. It's like, you know,
(47:44):
I'm going to listen to this guy now because he's
actually not the NFL right quote unquote, at least the
ones that don't want to put you in that box.
So there's a ton of pressure when you do this
and you don't, you're not the job can't be to
match what you think the NFL is doing. You have
to voice your opinion a lot of times, and then truthfully,
then you have to do what we're doing right now, Look,
(48:05):
these are the rules. We didn't write the rules. Uh now,
please try to explain this to me so I can
digest this and still like you at the end of
the conversation and not think you know, you're this person
that's trying to ruin this game I love. So there's
a ton of pressure with this one, but a little less,
maybe because I was sitting in a chair and not
you know, running for three and a half hours in
(48:27):
twenty two degree weather yesterday either so, but a lot
of anxiety with some of this stuff, which is why
I do it. I mean, let's be honest, you're the
best things like this, You're the best gene we got
to go.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
But I do think it was smart of Alex More
to pretend his microphone was busted on that one.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
That was.
Speaker 10 (48:44):
The young rookie has learned a little from me to
tap on that mic Look at that guy on the
saga who's got the batteries, like we're never gonna miss it.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
And then you say I have to and you're like, yo,
this thing is that working? What's going on with you?
People like aren't you kidding me?
Speaker 10 (49:06):
And that poor person on the sideline's going to get
fired because he didn't change the nine bolt batteries after
the third quarter time up.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Yeah, you gotta do it. It's part of the game Boys.
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Jeet's staring turned Roger by Schneider Downs on bb tice.
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