12.8.25 Randy Baumann and the DVE Morning Show FULL SHOW

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Nptain Lamar Jackson rush coming from the backside.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
He's hit her, take it down. It's high spit with
the sack back at the thirty eight yard line, and
that will do it. The Steelers come.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
To m and T Bank Stadium and win twenty seven
to twenty two, and they are back in first place
by themselves in the AFC Nord.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
All they stole it, and I'm fine with it.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Then Pittsburgh Steelers emerge victorious twenty seven to twenty two yesterday. Now, look,
there's a lot of Steeler talk out there this morning,
well yesterday after the game about the fact that well
they didn't you know, they got lucky and the Ravens
got robbed and the refs screwed the rave Who cares

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enjoy it?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
It's a wit ah, This doesn't solve any of their
big problems. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Shup, I just shut up and enjoy We beat the Ravens.
Oh the ref screwed him almost like even better. Yeah,
So I'm not in the camp of people who were
looking for a reason to not like this yesterday, but
there certainly were a lot of people who were in
that category. Coach Tomlin kissing the camera on his way

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up the field. Well, that was a little bit much
for even me, Like I kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Feel like dance like you.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I was gonna say, dance with the one that brought you,
but that's not it acts like you've been there before.
I understand that was a rough week for him, and
that was a huge win. They did get very lucky
on a few accounts. I still don't understand how that
was not a touchdown for Isah likely? I know, I

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mean I understand by the rule, okay, Like the interpretation
of the rule, I guess is up for questioning because
was the fact that his hands were extended the football move?
Did that actually satisfy the third part? The rest say no? Okay,
So that's all you get to know. There's so many
questions about the refereeing yesterday. The one that I thought

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was more egregious was Aaron Rodgers on the ground, knee
on the ground, and they gave him possession of the
ball and the batted ball, because to me, I was like,
I don't know that he definitely had it there, and
like Harbaugh's point was, you have to survive the ground,
he didn't survive the ground.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I think they got a bitch there. It didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
The Steelers were great in the first half and even
in the third quarter, and then I have no idea
what happened in the fourth They got zero positive yards
in the fourth quarter. They were three to three and
ounce in the fourth quarter, they didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Going into the game, you knew that the Ravens actually
had a run game, which was not the case for
the Bills, which were so much more schizophrenic.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
And we saw it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
You know what's funny is after the game, Joey Porter
Junior like we showed that we can stop the run.
It's like you give up two hundred and seventeen yards
rushing stop the run. The Steelers only had thirty four
yards rushing yesterday. Thirty four. Aaron Rodgers I thought was
really good. Coming off of a week in which we

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wondered whether or not he's gonna be able to go
under center. He went under center enough to make it interesting,
that is for sure. In hitting Dky on those deep balls,
especially that first play, that was just huge, really changed
what the Steelers were gonna be able to do the
rest of the game. And that Ravens defense wasn't very
good all year long, they proved themselves to be not
good again. I thought that they really screwed up a

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few things yesterday. But if you were a Ravens fan,
this is the this is the measure of it. As
far as I'm concerned as to whether or not the
Ravens got screwed, flipping around, if that happened to us,
what would Steeler fans be saying this morning?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
They'd be apoplectic, losing their minds Abby, I would We'd
be burning.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
The building down, like I they we know they have
a point.

Speaker 6 (04:07):
Oh my god, you know they do. And I'm happy
I know we'll have Jeene Sator on today.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, we're having them on today because of all of
the calls that were, you know, so controversial.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
We thought we can't wait till Tuesday for this, but.

Speaker 6 (04:19):
That one was such a big one. Listen.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
And I'm always down for an upset harball like put
it in the loops, like I.

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Don't care, Like that's great, it's just good fun.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
And I also am aware that there's a of.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
Guilt that I'm carrying into today because I know.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
They got screwed. I think they got screwed. But you know,
I think Mike's gonna come in here and go now. No,
by the letter of the law, that was how it goes.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
But to me, there's also a little bit of like,
you know, okay, did Calvin Austin bobble that ball going
down on the third down that they couldn't you know,
convert it because they it challenged before Arthur Smith could
call a play.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Like to me, that's a catch, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
So under the things that seem like they should be
common sense rule of football, I think the Ravens got screwed.
But maybe the interpretation of everything Jean's territory is gonna say,
a the rest got it.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
All right again letter of the law.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Sure, the likely touchdown or not touchdown, that one is
going to haunt them forever because that's that changes the
game obviously.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
But it changes their season.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
It changes their season.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
But even in radio, we have you know, we understand
even with the FCC, like there's rules about obscenity, and
in some ways it's like, you know, I know when
I see it.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
And there are certain fundamentals.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
But like exactly the interpretation, I know it when I
see it.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
I know when I see it, and in some ways like,
I know that Jean's gonna walk us through it and
buy the letter, you know, And even a football move,
I know that has a definite But at the same time,
when you visually you're like, that's a touchdown, it's really
hard to.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Go, like Jesse James, You're like, that's not a football move.
It's like, well, what would make it more of a
football move for you? It's like, I don't know, can
you like look angry or when you do it?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah, yeah, you have to growl. I am fine with it, though,
I could care less. The Steelers win, and that's all
I care about. I don't care if this that doesn't
solve all their problems, or if they exposed many different
achilles heels throughout that game and they might not get
you know, three more wins this year, and they might
end up nine to eight, or they might end up

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eight nine.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
As long as that eighth game is against the Ravens
on the second go round and we win the division.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Aaron Rodgers two hundred and eighty four yards with a
touchdown yesterday. Nice play after Johnny Smith fell down. He
just took the ball ran in the end zone there,
which was ootstanding. Kenneth game will also pretty big day. Yesterday.
I thought Steelers suffered so many injuries that I'm a
little worried about Monday Night against the Dolphins, which thank

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god they won. For that reason, nobody would have gone
to that game, Oh buddy, would have gone to a
freezing Monday night game against the Dolphins. Now it's going
to be I think, a nice welcome home and they
probably won't boo renegade.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
That's my prediction.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
I think I couldn't hear very well. We were at
Winoski Winery and Ross Draver I was hosting the game
with Mike Logan.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Very cool.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
It was so awesome.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
That location has been really fun and we have a
lot of repeats folks that have come to every one
of those wine and watch parties that we've done.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
How big is the TV or are there one hundred TVs?

Speaker 6 (07:43):
Well, it's multiple floors. Oh, this is like a castle.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Oh cool, A beautiful.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Spot and I think that also if anybody wants to
check it out. I know they have holiday pop ups
through the end of the month on Fridays and Saturdays,
but it's a beautiful spot. And they have bands there,
so like this is a really this is destination for
a lot of people. But when we do these parties,
we bring in a bunch of TVs too, So every
room that already doesn't have a huge, you know TV
for you to watch the game, we're bringing in multiple TVs.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
But it's a bunch of floors.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
So Mike Logan and I like post up on one floor,
but then we'll go to another floor and do a
game recap in between quarters or you know, for halftime,
whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
But as we were doing.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
That, my my was like some rooms did not have
the best like audio when we were a crank in.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Those TVs as loud as we could go.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
But what I could hear, CBS did a better, uh
choice for when they decided to play a little bit
of Renegade than the stadium.

Speaker 6 (08:38):
Did last week.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Yes, like they gave us a little sip of it
and they had a little bit more of like is
it now I cannot.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Sound like that was like stolen valor like you're not
allowed to do that, CBS.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
It was a little cocky to think that they could
come up in our house.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
But speaking about bad sound, how about the referees. Mike
didn't work when he was trying to explain into the
crowd what happened on the likely touchdown. And I'll tell
you something, I didn't see this until later, and by
now most people have likely seen it if you're on
social media, especially Brian Baldinger pointed this out the fourth
down conversion that they didn't get where Patrick Queen looks

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like he's defending uh Mark Andrews and Mark Andrews it
goes off his hand and drops incomplete change of possession,
which led the Steelers to go three and out, and
they got that outstanding punk, which we'll get to in
a little bit. Big special team's day yesterday for the Steelers.
But from the opposite angle, that ball was not intended

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for Mark Andrews. You had DeAndre Hopkins sitting alone in
the back of the end zone and that's most likely
not Isaiah, most likely who Lamar Jackson was throwing the
ball to, and Mark Andrews gotten the way. It reminded
me of the time of Manny Ramirez famous leg cut

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off a throw from the center field that he shouldn't
have cut off for the Red Sox and he dove
and everyone's like, what the hell are you doing? It
was like the most athletic play that actually screwed the
Red Sox at the time.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
That's kind of.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
As earlier this year that.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
You're right, that's a better example.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay, but there's a million reasons for Ravens fans to
be upset this morning, and nothing is going to piss
them off more than hearing Jean Sterritor on the Steelers
flagship station explaining why the refs got it right.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yes, I think might happen today.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
By the way, congratulations to young Jacobs.

Speaker 6 (10:37):
I was watching the game.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
And I was so happy for you Jacob, first of
all his alma mater, Indiana, who's just winning the Big
Ten championship in Indianapolis this past weekend against Ohio State,
which somehow makes it so much sweeter.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I don't know why, but Indiana and Ohio State, that
is a you know, well a lot.

Speaker 7 (10:57):
Of big It's more like big brother, little brother.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, it's it's it's you know, Goliath, you know, and
you guys are was it David and Goliath?

Speaker 8 (11:06):
Yes, that guy Steven Goliath.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
See, you guys got that, you know, off the schneid
there with the big championship game, and what Kurtzignetti did
is maybe one of the most ridiculous sport feats of
all time, turning your previously floundering program into.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
A potential national champion.

Speaker 9 (11:32):
Yeah, before he got there, they had the most losses
of any Power five school college football history. They had
zero ten win seasons. Ever, and in his first two
years he gets back to back. He goes ten to
no his first year, thirteen or no his second year.
You can hear it in my voice. I had barely anything.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Us had the best time. It is great.

Speaker 9 (11:53):
It was a top five night. I explained it this
way to my dad on my drive home. I said, Ireland,
our trip to our Ireland. It was like a top
five experience, oh, I'll ever have in my life. But
that night specifically was like a top five moment for me. Specifically,
just a win to see in person that might be
the one because I never went to an AC championship game.

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I never went to a penns Stanley Cup final game.
I never went to a Super Bowl, so this was
the biggest stage for me personally, So I'd say, this
is the biggest game I've ever seen in person.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
And then whether it's in person.

Speaker 9 (12:29):
Or TV, it's still the biggest win I think outside
of a Super Bowl ring or arch Stanley Cup Championship
clinching night.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
And do you understand it why Steeler fans are so
pissed right now because you were there amidst that championship atmosphere. Okay,
and that's a step along the way to a national championship,
you know. And we're not even getting those playoff games anymore.
And all those games you mentioned, I'm lucky enough. I
was just pinching myself if you're saying that. Like, man,
I've been to every one of those things, like and
and because the Steelers were in a championship, because the

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Penguins were in the Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 9 (13:03):
It makes me long for the days of sixteen, seventeen,
of five, eight two.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh yeah, we had a glorious run there for a
good fifteen year period. And right now things are not
so great in Pittsburgh, although maybe they're training better. Hey,
we put one hundred million dollars in for Kyl Schwarber,
who knows he's not coming here.

Speaker 9 (13:24):
It also makes you realize, you know, when you're a
legitimate team, I gotta think you guys have a couple
of years for the Steelers, it's kind of been fools gold,
especially in December when they're hunt in the hunt. And
then you remember like the Kansas City playoff game when
they lost like thirty five to seven.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, TJ had the stripsack touchdown to start the game.

Speaker 7 (13:43):
You know when you're a real team and when you're not.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And well, Indiana is and you have the quarterback and
his brother. Even though he gives the goofiest postgame interviews.

Speaker 7 (13:53):
Amazing, it's so silly.

Speaker 9 (13:56):
I've never seen a quarterback or anyone on any postgame
interviews say flipping before.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, he is very wholesome. It looks like an SNL
sketch when he goes out there. It just he loses
his mind. That was a fun game, and well, best
luck to you now the bulkabitt he drawing the ire
of Notre Dame fans, that's for sure, who are super pissed. Michael,
have more on that, I'm sure, but there's so much
to talk about concerning your Pittsburgh Steelers, who get to
win yesterday in Baltimore seven and six atop the crappy

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AFC North.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
You know it was it was a game that.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
My buddy's like, I thought I was having a heart
attack at one point, I'm like, oh my god. It
was truly the edge of your seat football that we've
come to know under Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Now, if you.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Were hoping that those reports about Mike Tomlin's option being
up in the decision having to be made in March
for twenty twenty seven meant that he was likely going
to be headed somewhere else, I think yesterday shows you
this is exactly why they keep Mike Tomlin, even though
there's part of of why it was close that I

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attribute to Mike Tomlin football, and I think the Steelers
could have kind.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Of it didn't have to be that close.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
He sets it up for his defense to shut down
the other team, and it drives me crazy.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
You gotta be a little more aggressive with.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
The league, but he hates doing them. Jeans Serrator, as
we mentioned, will join us. Tim Benz will be joining
us at six forty five, and Rob King, Voice of
the Pittsburgh Steelers, will have a power hour of Steeler Talk.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Coming up at nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
But there's a lot of sports to talk about around
the Pittsburgh spectrum. Abby as I was saying, Buccos supposedly
are in on a few free agent races here. I
don't know that Schwarber is going to sign here, probably not.
But does that indicate to you other free agents out there, Hey,
we're willing to spend money. I mean, you know, the
sudden the trade for Password last week might be a

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harbinger of things to come. Also, your Pittsburgh Penguins get
a point last night, even though they just once it
goes to a shootout, just turn it off, just turn
it out done. There's just no reason to watch anymore.
Penguins cannot get to w after that. So mich will
come in next to the post game yesterday, and I'm
guessing that the tenor of the calls was pretty pleasant,
because anytime you beat the Ravens, and I don't care

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how you beat the Ravens, it's a good day. No.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
I had a long drive from Ross Draver on the
way home, so I got to listen to more of
the postgame than I usually do, and everyone.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
Was pleasant and a little less drunk than they usually are.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Nobody going, I still't want to fire Tom.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
No, Actually I didn't get any of those oh Man
that's shocking, all right, Michael, join us next.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Your Pittsburgh Steelers are in first place in the AFC North.

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Speaker 3 (16:38):
Me only if you can dick it.

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Speaker 1 (17:01):
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Morning Show and Mike, what a game yesterday? Controversy surrounding
this one, but I'm happy to be on the right
side of it.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
You know, a controversy.

Speaker 12 (17:14):
The controversy I believe lies in how these rules are
written and worded and enforced.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Couldn't agree more. We'll get to that in a little bit. Sports.

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That's a I brought to by Bridgeville Plants. Let's first
get to some reaction from Steelers twenty seven Ravens twenty two.
The Steelers met the challenge that was playing the Ravens
in Baltimore with the season at stake. One of the
reasons why was they were prepared to do so here's
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 13 (17:39):
It's all about practice, you know, when you when you
go out there and executing practice like we did this
week gives you the confidence to be able to make
some of those plays. And I thought it was our
most crisp week of preparation on the field. I think
off the field we've been really good. But I thought
the energy was good. I'm not a big believer in coincidences.

Speaker 12 (18:05):
They did make a lot of place. They also were
on the right side of three unbelievable calls. And I
say unbelievable, not because well, one of them I think
was just flat out wrong. The other two I think
by the letter of the law, which is stupid. It
was adjudicated the way it's supposed to be adjudicated. Now
we can have a whole other conversation about whether or

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not the games we watch should be officiated by some
guy watching on TV in a city six states away.
Well not in this case, but you know what I mean, Yeah,
there's not six states between Baltimore and New York. But
I think the rules are too complicated. I think there's
too much of an emphasis on replay. I think they
need to start moving away from that. The search to

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get perfection in calls is creating scenarios that we saw yesterday.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Couldn't agree with you more, as I said, glad to
be on the right side of it. I don't even
know how you gave Aaron Rodgers possession on the batted
ball that came back to him, because to me, they're
still battling for the ball when he's on the ground.

Speaker 12 (19:07):
I thought he had it, and as he hit the ground,
the guy reached in. I mean, we can go frame
by Frace.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Goes to the runner, it is okay, Well then all right,
then I then I'll shut up.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (19:18):
Mike tom And also thought his team was ready even
before it arrived at M and T Bank Stadium.

Speaker 14 (19:24):
I just think we were an aggressive poster all day.
I just think that's how we got out of bed
this morning. That's what's required when you're playing these guys
in their venue.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I agreed at first half, especially.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
For three quarters. Exactly what happened in the fourth quarter?
How did they How were they that ineffective?

Speaker 12 (19:41):
Yeah, the one drive got scuttled by the Rogers play.
Now he actually said he was trying to bat that down.

Speaker 15 (19:48):
No, he was.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I don't know if I believe him or not.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
They batted it up, but by him catching it, now
you avoid disaster. But it's still third and nineteen, right,
So what he can are you gonna check it down
and see if the guy can break six tackles?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (20:00):
And then the last drive where they were backed up
on the eight yard line, Baltimore had fifteen guys at
the line of screwma, you gotta throw there?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think, how much time are you actually saving my
Not very much?

Speaker 12 (20:11):
You know, like just throw not very much because there
was they were north of the two minute warning and
Baltimore still had its timeouts to go run run. Stupid
pass that had no chance. I didn't like that series.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
He hated that series, and that is classic Mike Tomlin football.

Speaker 15 (20:27):
Though.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well he's trying to hatch that lead, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
But what I hate is that it worked.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
I mean, it ended up working. But here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
It worked because Number one Corlis Weightman got off a
good punt there, which we will on the tape.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
We need it.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Look, I'm not giving him, yeah, I'm just saying he
has been kicking some ducks in that spot, all right.
Number two the metcalf as a gunner.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
I don't care. That's a great story. I absolutely freaking
love it.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
He drew two guys and it's part of why they
ended up getting a penalty, which really helped, which backed
them up ten ten more yards, which definitely helped because
it nullified the return backed it up ten more and
then the Ravens took an illegal formation to start all
of those things. That one, two, three, That was the game.
As soon as all those three things happened in Unison,

(21:22):
I was like, that just won the Steelers a game.
It's going to be nearly impossible for Baltimore to do
now they almost did it. You know what, I thought
they won the game when when high miss sacked the
Jackson on the ground. I just thought it was going
to be too hard once they got backed up another
ten yards because you can really just play prevent there
and watch the Steelers play much defense this year. I

(21:43):
here's the weird thing. They gave up two hundred and
fifty yards rushing whatever the hell it was seventeen Yeah, okay,
North to nor two hundred again, but it still looked
better than it did against the.

Speaker 12 (21:53):
Bills, and it was except it gave up the wrong
the long run to Keaton Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes, the fifty six arder kind of helps it hulk
and get smoked.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
On that one.

Speaker 12 (22:03):
A couple guys had a shot at it, and then
once he got to the once he hit the hole,
he was score. Yeah, but it was better. I mean,
they did a credible job against Derek. I thought they
did credible, not great, no, but didn't stick. He's awesome though.
So it wasn't like the Buffalo thing where you just
you can't stop James Cook.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
But it looked like they had a cohesive defensive plan
that they all bought into.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
And executed for the first three quarters of that game. Yeah,
I'd say I'd say so.

Speaker 12 (22:36):
Now it helps that Henry is a little more predictable
than Cook because he's not a bounce it out guy.
You know, he's gonna run outside when they tossed it
to him, and he's gonna run inside when they handed
to him. And it's like stopping a freight train either way.
But you know, you know where the tracks are going.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Lamar is a complete I mean he is a mystery
wrapped in a riddle. I like he makes throws sometimes
that are absolutely incredible and kind of watching Caleb Williams
in the Lake game. I'm like, this looks like he's
three steps away from Lamar, like he's almost there because
he's doing the same thing. But his heel or ankle

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was obviously good to go yesterday because he was he
was running the ball. He evaded the way he evades
the rush effortlessly too. Is It's just such a unique thing,
and I can't believe they don't have more success with him.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
I can't believe they didn't readoption them to death.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Well maybe when they ran that it worked, but maybe
that's just it is. He can't put that. You know,
maybe he was overperforming on a hurt ankle and they
didn't want to lose him for the rest of the
run here, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (23:44):
Well, their run's not going to be as long as
maybe they're not dead yet, but they're in a tough spot.
Do we care about the poor report now or.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Are you going to just move on? Well? No, I
mean it's the story, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
There's a lot of good ancillary stories around this, but
the rest interpretation and implementation of these rules is the story.
And as I told Abby earlier, nothing's gonna piss off
Ravens fans more than hearing Jean's territor on the Steelers
flagship station today saying they got it right.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Good. Let's have them on all this awesome.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Let's have them sit in with Michelle. Let's seventh to
drive home.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
In Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
Pucklick's backing up and those calls were still correct.

Speaker 15 (24:36):
Uh.

Speaker 12 (24:37):
Two guys interviewed by a pool reporter yesterday in Baltimore,
NFL Vice President of Instant Replay, Mark Butterworth.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I guess he was just on site. My experience with
missus butter sun Mark, Yes.

Speaker 12 (24:48):
Usually just talk to the referee but also referee Alex Moore,
just to try to condense these down because there's a lot,
a lot of layers here on the likely non touchdown.
Butterworth says, quote, the third step is an act common
to the game, and before he could get the third
foot down, the ball was ripped out. Therefore it was
an incomplete pass and that was consistent with Gino's interpretation

(25:12):
during the live broadcast. Tomlin said after the game he
thought it was not a touchdown. He was not surprised.
He might be the only one.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Well, he's got to say that. I mean if that
was his I mean, obviously, I can't believe we got
away with that. Obviously that should have been a touchdown.

Speaker 12 (25:28):
Butterworth on the Aaron Rodgers play, the tip pass that
he caught and then was ruled down, and it wasn't
an interception. The offensive player had controlled the ball and
as he was going to the ground there was a
hand in there, but he never lost control of the
ball and then his knees hit the ground in control.
So therefore by rule he is down by contact. And
then the one, the one that I thought they got

(25:50):
totally screwed on, was the unnecessary roughness on the christ
History one that they took off the board and then
the Steels ended up getting a touchdown there. The referee
was interviewed about that one.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
What is it, Alex Moore?

Speaker 12 (26:09):
Yes, Alex Moore quote, you cannot make any forcible contact to.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
That player, meaning the long snapper.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
The calling official felt like the contact rose to the
level of being unnecessary against a defensive player. I thought
he was trying to hit the guard and he got
a ballots and he brushed him.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Exactly what happened.

Speaker 12 (26:29):
I mean, it's football, guys, Come on, defensive player Harbaugh. Obviously,
John Harbaugh not happy with any of this. He was
asked about the likely play.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Quote.

Speaker 12 (26:39):
The explanation was that a third foot didn't get down.
That's what they said on the Rogers play. Harbaugh says, quote,
it's not an officiating issue. It comes from New York.
But when you're making a catch, you have to survive
the ground. He didn't survive the ground. He's not down
by contact. He was catching the ball on the way
down with another person. So you have to make a

(27:01):
catch there and survive the ground. I don't know why
it was ruled the way it was on that one.
Now what I saw was Rogers catch the ball and
then the Ravens player tried to.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Get his hand in. I never thought he cleanly caught it. Well,
I guess this is this is the interpretive part of it.

Speaker 12 (27:16):
But if if he catches a pass and he falls
to his knees, he's down, you can't come up and
then rip the ball.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Out of his hand. That's not how I saw it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
I saw it as contested as he was going to
the ground.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Maybe maybe he was. But but but like you said, though,
tiger goes to the runner.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
If it goes to the you know, the guy who's
down or the offensive player in that situation.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Then then then it's his small I thought they got
that one right.

Speaker 15 (27:42):
Again.

Speaker 12 (27:42):
Stupid rule, real stupid rule, the unnecessary, roughest penalty.

Speaker 15 (27:47):
Quote.

Speaker 12 (27:48):
I didn't see the head and neck contact. That's what
I did not see. Uh, which you need to have
head and neck gary contact there and it has to
be forceful contact, not incidental contact.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
He's right about that. It was incidental.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
He was yelling at he was yelling that at the
ref on the sideline that he and you say it
head neck, head neck.

Speaker 15 (28:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
What a win for the Steelers. Controversial though it may be.
I don't care. Seven and six atop the AFC North.
Do we still have problems? Yes, many, but you know
what they solved a few yesterday and that's the goal.

Speaker 12 (28:21):
And you know, the story number one is officiating one dred.
Story number two is for three quarters. You had the
Aaron Rodgers that you signed up for. That was exactly
how Mike Tomlin phrased, this is why you do business
with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
All right, we're gonna do business significent in the first
three quarters, Tim Ben's joining us when we come back
to this commercial break. Abby's got your news at the
top of the hour.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Jean Simmons has never heard the concept. Don't speak ill of.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Such an idiot.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Jean Sterotor will be on today instead of tomorrow, since
yesterday was such a controversial performance by the Zebras in Baltimore.
But alas it matters not for your Pittsburgh Steeers, who
emerged victorious twenty seven to twenty two.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I got a quote from Nelson after the game.

Speaker 16 (29:11):
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Speaker 1 (29:21):
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Speaker 1 (29:36):
At the Pittsburgh Steelers one a two point five DV
Steelers over the Baltimore Ravens yesterday twenty seven to twenty two.
And boy, there were a lot of controversial calls, maybe
none more so than this one. Why actually passed looking
throw us toward the end zone? It's Isaiah likely and

(29:57):
it's knocked out, but not until he's in the the
end zone with possession. It's a touchdown for the Ravens
and they have taken the league.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Yeah, that wouldn't be how it turned out.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
As we continue to watch and wait for the extra point,
I think they went to commercial even I'm not. All
I know is the referees microphone did not work, yes,
and so nobody knew what happened. And you just saw
Harbaugh on the side of the why it did not work, sir.
So you're in the Road stadium, you're taking that touchdown

(30:30):
off the board.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Tim Benz joining us right now, brought to you by
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Speaker 1 (30:33):
We're Pittsburgh shops for appliances and Benzi, what do you
make of that one?

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Maybe by the letter of the law.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's it's not a touchdown, But by any other metric,
how is that not a six point swing?

Speaker 15 (30:48):
There?

Speaker 17 (30:50):
Jesse James play, but standing up is what it was.
That's Jesse James without the survived the ground element that
harbor Ball brought into his complaint about the Aaron Rodgers play,
which I don't necessarily think is applicable. To be honest
with you, I mean, I'm very similar to what you
guys said in the Sports report. I think I would

(31:11):
rate them this way that I actually think they got
the Rogers call right, but in getting the Rogers call right.
I think they showed the ridiculous difference between the threshold
of what is considered possession on a play like that
and what is not acceptable possession based on the letter
of the law of the likely play, which I guess,

(31:33):
like you said, Randy, by the letter of the law,
they got it right. But that sure looked like a
touchdown with my eyes with his two feet down. And
by the way, can we just get can we get
rid of the part of the rule that says third
foot and just see third step? Yeah, third foot just
makes it sound even dumber than what it is.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
And then I think pursued is.

Speaker 17 (31:54):
Right that the one that they really blew was the
Christian Kunzwan like that. That's just a BA interpretation of
the rule. I don't think they did what they to
say that that rose to the level of needing a
flag is assnot. I would assume that you got to
credit Danny Smith for that. There must have been something
he saw on film or I can't remember if there's
a previous place kick where that happened where he said, look,

(32:17):
they're doing this, the long snapper lookout for it, and
they did, but they didn't that wasn't it. So I
guess that's how I would rate those three controversial penalties.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I thought special teams had a big day and I
wouldn't be surprised if Danny Smith did have a hand
in that. But despite all of the referee help for
the Steelers yesterday, did you think or what did you
think I should say of Mike Tomlin's response to what
has been to this point the most tumultuous week in

(32:47):
his coaching tenure here in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 17 (32:49):
Yeah, I really liked how they played in the first half.
I liked how they played even offensively going into the
third quarter. I thought they continue to have issues defensively
after halftime, and I will echo what you guys said
a few minutes ago about their offensive approach in the

(33:09):
fourth quarter. I was going insane watching those three series
because it was three and out, three and out, three
and out, and three third downs with passes short of
the sticks, two of which were completed, and I was
I was going insane because you're right, I mean, like
the clock element is a big part of that, because

(33:32):
if you're not going to challenge the first down marker,
you have to understand you know that when you're running
the ball, and if you like were to try something
to the sidelines or something downfield, they're going to stop
the clock with that last time out anyway in the
last sequence, So what's the difference in what you're saving?
Try to get the first down? And I guess they

(33:53):
were spooked by what happened on the Rogers play, but
you know, whatever happened to take a chance. And oh,
by the way, like I think the most underdiscussed play
in the whole game that I really liked was when
they went on that deep shot to Calvin Austin. Like
that took guts do that there, Like it takes a
shot to try to get the first down and win

(34:13):
the game.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
They were begging them, daring them to try that.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Again, daring them as the word yeah, And there was
fifteen guys in the box, you know, like where's Jayla
Warren going.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
It's not the.

Speaker 17 (34:26):
Ultimate example of when Harball sees Tomin across the fifty
and uh Tomin sees Hardball across the fifty. It's the
gravitational poll of Steelers Ravens. You know, those two teams
with them there in each other's orbit, they can't help themselves,
but to do stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, I mean Calvin Austin was one step from being
gone on that one.

Speaker 17 (34:48):
Oh yeah, like you know that and that was hey, good,
you know that gutsy call. Good call there, Like that's
what I was hoping to say at some point one
of those three sequences that could have ended the game
and the.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Nail on the head. And you said they got spooked
by the Rogers play, that was don't turn it over Jesus.

Speaker 17 (35:10):
Quick. You know, they were so scared by the Rogers play.
I think on the next time they got the ball back,
they just wanted to punt it again to win and
field position on first down, send it back again.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
But he really saw the difference in what they're able
to do offensively when Mount Washington went out. When you know,
as soon as that happened, it was like, okay, we
lost a big dimension of what Arthur Smith wants to do.

Speaker 17 (35:38):
Yeah, they didn't run the ball well, and maybe that
was part of it, but in general, I just don't
think they were run blocking all that efficiently.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
But they protected.

Speaker 17 (35:48):
Yeah, I mean, they they did protect Rogers. He only
got we didn't get sacked at all. I think he
only got hit once. Now he had a lot to
do with that. He was moving around really nicely and
he extended some play and some of the yardage that
DK got was by virtue of Rogers moving around the
pocket and allowing him to pop open. But you know,

(36:09):
so I guess you split the difference there with the
offensive line and the defense. I really liked the way
the defense decided late to come attack the line of scrimmage.
You know, I thought they made Lamar Jackson perform off platform.
They made him have to improvise, which normally he's great at.
But you know, they made it real tough on him

(36:31):
with those blitzes from Eckles and Queen and I think
Rams he had one too many. Eckles is great in
the first half. Eccles had three huge players in the
first half. He had a PBu in the end zone,
he sacked Jackson to end to drive on a third down,
and then he provided some sticky coverage on a play.

(36:51):
I thought Romo was a little gushy on because say
Flowers dropped the ball, but I mean he was in
the neighborhood and had to make him think a little bit.
But all in all, I thought Eccles had a really
nice game on defense, and Queen had a really gutty
game on defense, and high Smith came up.

Speaker 15 (37:06):
With the play late.

Speaker 17 (37:07):
And there were a few plays in the first half
where TJ. Watch scraped down the backside of the line
of scrimmage to catch up to Henry and didn't let
him get going early, which, if nothing else, was a
psychological plus for that defense.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
And you got till Monday night to get right now.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
They certainly had a lot of injuries yesterday and the
Dolphins coming in for Monday night football at Akroshire Stadium
next week. Was it four concussions yesterday for the Steelers.
That's a lot.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well, yeah, keep in mind went.

Speaker 12 (37:35):
Out Eccles got tested for one that came back.

Speaker 17 (37:39):
Okay, yeah, and then the other one. Trying to think
what the other injury was. But somebody else got hurt
along the way too. Oh it was Benton, but he
came back with the ankle. Keep in mind with the Dolphins,
depending on what happens with a chan the running back
was third in the NFL and rushing. He left that
game with a rib injury, but then his backup came
in and had one hundred and two yards or something

(37:59):
like that. Yesterday they can run the ball. They had
two hundred and thirty nine yards rushing, so it's gonna
be another rushing challenge for the Steelers defense.

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Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, Benzie, thanks so much for talking.

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I'm going to get my coffee mug out of my
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Speaker 3 (38:24):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
See they're the best, all right, buddy, take care Tims.
This morning on the DV Morning Show, Jean Stero Tour
will join us today instead of tomorrow since there is
plenty to talk about in the officiating category, and Aby
you will have your news when we come back.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
I got another Gene in the news, and that's Gene Simmons,
who doesn't know how to not speak.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Ill of the dead.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Rob came with a power hour Steeler Talk on the
way for you Steelers twenty seven. Ravens twenty two.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Wanted to the right Rogers.

Speaker 14 (39:01):
The doctor gets a snap back.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
The pass throws to one of the right flat wide open,
scooting down the right sideline pathrow.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
There is nobody there and he's in for the score.

Speaker 18 (39:11):
Jail and Warren a short pass out to the flat
and he goes thirty eight yards in for the.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Touchdown, ending well near the end of the third quarter.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
There Jalen Warren scampers for six the Steelers with the
twenty seven to twenty two victory over the Ravens. Mister
Wednesday on a Monday, Jeff Conkole joining us now too. Yes,
the referees might have had a hand in the Steelers
win yesterday, And yes, I am one hundred percent okay
with it. I don't care everybody that I saw yesterday
online trying to turn this into this doesn't fix anything.

(39:41):
We still got to get rid of Tomlin. Just enjoy
something for once.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Enjoy it. Just have a good Sunday.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
There's good four o'clock games that you get to watch
and feel good because your team just won against their
division rival.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
And there in first place in the AFC Nord.

Speaker 19 (39:55):
I always tell my kids, like if you're getting a
good deal, like if your teacher's letting you slide on
some homework, or Grandma gave you a twenty or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Shut up about it and move on.

Speaker 19 (40:06):
Don't bitch about it, and don't certainly don't brag about it.
So I'm kind of in the middle of the camp, like,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
What to feel after that game.

Speaker 19 (40:13):
I don't want to brag about it because we got
some like three critical plays, But I don't want to
bitch about it either, because we've been on the receiving
end of a couple of heartbreakers.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
So maybe it's just karma coming back to us.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's exactly what it is, like it always comes around, right,
There was a couple of ball don't lie moments in
that game yesterday. You know, I think that the Steelers
the most egregious call is most likely the call against
Kunits where they called what was a personal foul, foul

(40:50):
unnecessarily right, that was total bs and that was a
four point twing right there. The touchdown that they took
away from Isaiah likely which every he agrees the eye
test tells you that's a touchdown. The fact is, the
way they wrote the rule, it's not a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It's a terrible rule, terrible rule.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
So the more egregious one was actually the unnecessary roughness on.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Copy fact because that led to points. I mean, yeah,
it keeps saying Cone, It's gonna happen.

Speaker 19 (41:22):
I know, No, I mean, uh, listen, like we've gotten
Like I said, we've been screwed royally before, and I
feel like I've never been part of a game where
I have felt like we have, Like I couldn't point
out a call that the refs made that I felt
was egregious against us necessarily like I thought it was.

(41:43):
Here's why I was a Ravens fan. I'd be like,
who bribed them? You know, I'd be going through that
whole exercise right now.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
I don't understand how Zay Flowers we challenge that catch
in balls movings.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
He hits the ground and they're like, Nope, that's good.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But then the Calvin Austin, Yeah, the ball's moving and
they're like, no, that one's bad. It's it's like grease
of moving apparently matters, Like, well, that one only moved
a little bit. It's still moved out of his hands
up his shoulder pads on the ze Flower play shouldn't
have been a catch.

Speaker 19 (42:10):
You remember, like the definition of pornography for a lot
of years was earlier. You did use it earlier, Okay,
because that's what it is. It's it's I know it
when I see it. Yeah, that's that's the idea. And
there should be a little bit more of that in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
And I think Gene Territory will agree on that he's
going to join us today a forty five instead of tomorrow,
since there's so much to go over. And he clarified
that Isaiah likely ruling that he didn't satisfy the third component,
which is the football move part, which a third foot
down or a third step down would have uh you know, uh,

(42:50):
it would have qualified it as a touchdown because he
didn't get it down. It's not a touchdown in what
world He's got the ball in the end zone with
two feet down to me play over. But it's the Megatron,
it's the Jesse James. We've seen it time and time again.
It doesn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 19 (43:08):
As you know, I like to make mountains out of
molehills pretty much out of everything in my entire life.
And I started thinking, I was like, you know how
everyone complains that we're too litigious of a society and
lawyers need to get involved and everything needs a regulation
and a committee, and I was like, football is an exact.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
Microcosm of that. Clearly, we like this.

Speaker 19 (43:29):
Clearly, we like that there's a judge and that there's
rules laid out for everything, like like, we can't get
enough of it. We can't get enough of the minutia
of that. It actually adds some element of drama to
it in a weird way.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Big Special Team's Day yesterday.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Also that the last punt, Corlos Weightman gets off a bomb.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Thank god, dude. That guy had a bounce back game.
He needed it big time.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
The fact that DK Metcalf goes out as a gunner
because he sees Scronic is hurt and he goes, don't
worry about it. I got it, And thence Gronick's like,
I'm not not gonna play and then he bounced. I
don't remember who he bounced was at Echols, I don't
So they both end up gunning on that one. DK
draws two guys. They draw a holding penalty there. It
nullifies the return, which I think they had the ball
up near the forties.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Like an eighteen yard swing or something like that.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Ten yard penalty from the point of them receiving the punt,
and then the Ravens take I think an illegal formation
right there. Ball game, ball game, because now they got
to go to the length of the field now first
and twenty. At the end of the game, when defenses
clearly running out of gas, they got two minutes and
eleven seconds left on the clock.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
Were you like me?

Speaker 19 (44:39):
And I basically almost turned the TV off. I was like,
I don't want to even see this loss. We're gonna
lose this game. There's absolutely no way. I was this close,
and I screamede of little faith.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Now there was no security, there, no screaming in my
living room, screaming like yeah, that loud. And then I
went to a local watering hole afterwards, me couple of
friends and they all said the same thing.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
They're like, God, I was going to have a heart attack.
Was so stressful. There's such a Mike Tomlin game.

Speaker 19 (45:07):
I'm such a bad fan too, because every I'm sitting
there with my kids and I'm just poisoning them against
every player that I don't think is so And what
happened is every time I would say something mildly derogatory
about a player, they would come up big. I'd be like, yeah, TJ,
there's that multi million dollar. Oh he just stuffed a
run for six years, All right, He's fine. I was

(45:29):
getting on high Smith and then I was like, where's
high Smith been the whole game?

Speaker 17 (45:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Okay, he just sacked Lamar for the game.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Ending said, okay, okay, he made a couple of plays yesterday, TJ.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Watt made a couple of plays.

Speaker 17 (45:39):
It.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's one of those circumstances where they got in Lamar's
face and broke up the rhythm of the offense, but
they weren't getting them down. He was only nineteen to
thirty five yesterday. They dropped some balls, no question about it.
And boy, when you look at the angle behind Lamar
on the fourth down that Mark Andrews tips with his

(46:03):
hand as Patrick Queen is in coverage at the time,
you think, oh, he just overthrew Andrews a little bit.
And then you look at it from the other angle
and you see DeAndre Hopkins sitting in the back of
the end zone.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
All by himself, going throw it to me, throw it
to me, which.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Lamar was obviously doing, but he didn't put enough loft
under it, so Andrews thought it was for him.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
So he makes that diving attempt.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
And breaks up basically the play the touchdown catch to
DeAndre Hopkins and then the ball falls to the ground
Steelers ball, and then they do the most feeble three
and out there.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Oh my god, that was a That was that drove
me nuts. Throw the ball there.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
As we just talked about with Benzie, be a little
more aggressive. That's classic Mike Tollin, though he always goes
we don't live in our fears, and he is the
most fear living dude in the NFL.

Speaker 19 (46:53):
I thought the same thing, like when we turn the
ball over and got it, what would we get it
on like the seven yard line? I was like, this
is gonna be bad because I was like, I'd rather
them just score and then we take the ball and
maybe we can get us the same drive or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Which is what.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, when the likely touchdown got overturned, I was like,
I think that just screwed the Steelers. Yeah, because they're
gonna score a touchdown now and we're gonna they're gonna
take another minute off the clock. Thankfully, it worked out
in the Steelers favor and just enjoy at Steelers fans
don't look for reasons why relax.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
It stinks and the Steelers still stay.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Hey, just this is what we're here for to enjoy
Steelers football.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Folks. We're seven and six. That sounds bad, but it's
the it's a division lead.

Speaker 19 (47:37):
I love as soon as you examine this further because
you want to be positive, and you're like, look, we're
on top of the division, right, let's celebrate, And then
you look one sentence past that you're like, if the
playoffs started today, we'd be playing Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Oh God, please please spare us from this.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
We'll have Jean Stair Tour today, as we said, eight
forty five instead of tomorrow. Lots to talk about with Gene.
Rob came with Aur Hours Dealer Talk. Jeff Conkle hanging
with us as well. Abby's got your news right now.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
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Speaker 6 (48:09):
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Speaker 5 (48:14):
A series of quote bad decisions by Kiss guitarists Ace
Freelely contributed to his death. Band mate in front man
Jean Simmons told the Post this past weekend Simmons condemned
the substance abuse he suggested contributed to Failey Brayley's fatal
all down the stairs in his New Jersey home studio,
leading to a brain bleed that killed him days later

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on October the sixteenth, at age seventy four. Quote, he
refused advice from people that cared about him, including yours, truly,
to try to change his lifestyle in and out of
bad decisions, falling down the stairs.

Speaker 6 (48:50):
I'm not a doctor, but a fall doesn't kill you.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
There does, yes, it does.

Speaker 5 (48:58):
There may have been other issues, and it breaks my heart,
said Simmons.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
He just can't help it. He really, he cannot help himself.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And the fact that he's speaking ill of the dead
right after the guy died, it just lets you every
let you know everything you need to know about Gene Simmons.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
It's always about him. I tried to save him, but
he's an idiot. Like he's dead, let him, let him
just rest in peace. If there's one.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Person who after death is going to haunt Gene Simmons,
it's probably Ace Freely.

Speaker 19 (49:29):
So why would you want to stir up the ghules
and the the living the living spirits?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
He also has the most ghoulish, like like ghost laugh
of anybody ever. That if Ace Freely is haunting you,
you're gonna get.

Speaker 6 (49:45):
The rest of your life.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
Snyder interview alone should probably be haunting Jean at every
moment of his day. But that's the thing, is the
only thing that Jean said correct in that was that
he's not a doctor.

Speaker 20 (50:01):
Oh my god, I'm telling coming up the stairs in
your rafters.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I mean, Geane is just such a douchebag.

Speaker 5 (50:24):
I can't believe that he would say that. Here's the
biggest thing. I mean, I think that anybody who might
have been paying attention to Astley in the last few
years might have thought he got back on the sauce.

Speaker 6 (50:35):
That might have been an unspoken thing.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
But Ace Frehley has maintained that he's been sober for
a really long time. And also there was always this
joke that Ace Frehley who had an album, Oh.

Speaker 17 (50:48):
God, what was it called.

Speaker 8 (50:50):
Trouble walking? Trouble walking like like walking hilarious.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
But he's always been like a really lanky guy and
then you put him in like seven inch platforms and
it was kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I like, how Gene thinks you don't die from a fall.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
Yeah, and especially when you're seventy six, you certainly do.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
No one's ever done that ever, not to metch you.
He's probably wearing clunky boots around the studio.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, baby.

Speaker 15 (51:23):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Simmons was in DC.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
By the way. He thinks that on the official death certificate,
it's a cause of death.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Bad decisions.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's how it works, bad decisions.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Simmons was in DC to collect a Kennedy Center honor
with surviving band members and to testify in the Senate
to promote a legislation to require large radio stations to
pay royalties to performers. He did say nice things about
Ace Frehley there, thankfully.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
When counted those Kennedy.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
Honors, By the way, it was not only the surviving
members of Kiss, but it was also George Strait, Gloria
Sylvester Stallone, and actor and singer Michael Crawford.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Uh huh. Gene is so funny to me though. He
reminds me of Pete Townsend in a way, because Pee Townsend.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
For the last year, every interview that he's given about
the Who's Last Tour.

Speaker 21 (52:16):
Is he's like, I'm doing this for Roger and he's
a prickly soul and he's kind of pain and he's
very particular, but I love him and I want to
do it for Roger. I'm glad he's enjoying him like
he's doing.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
He keeps saying that he's doing because how much he
loves Roger.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
But the subtext of every single interview that he's giving
is I can't stand him.

Speaker 19 (52:42):
I think that happens with any band that makes it
to that like stadium level, like Legacy Tour, is that
you have to play this game of politics within like
a four piece. Like I just watched an interview with
Flee from Red Hot Chili Peppers and he's talking of
someone was asking about the songwriting process us, and it
was like he was like under you know, a prison

(53:05):
watch or something like that. He's like, Anthony Keatis is
a great vocalist and he contributes a lot, and John
Fouchante is also very good and contributes a lot of
guitar parts, and how could we ever.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Do in a deposition or something.

Speaker 19 (53:15):
Clearly he feels some certain way, but he knows like
I don't want to start stuff. We got a good
thing going, so I'm just gonna play nice and give
everybody credit the whole way through, like.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
McK and keith, Yeah, mckin keith.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
I mean even the all three Beatles besides Paul McCartney
against Paul McCartney.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
You know, they always bitched about Paul McCartney front. Yeah,
and then Paul would be like, big deal, that made
him work a little bit?

Speaker 21 (53:38):
Who cares get over into Beatles?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, Maxwell, Silverhammers one. They all hated it and they're like,
they're like, this song is rabbation and he's making us
come to the studio for the you know, all three
of them hated it and it took like three days
to do and they were just like bitching and they're like.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
This is corny. Is a total Paul song that just stucks,
you know.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I like one, and and then they interview Paul Aboudy goes,
I made him do a liks I was in the studio,
Big deal Oka.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Maxwell's that's him, how stupid. Let's write one about an octopus?

Speaker 1 (54:10):
But him and John had that, like, you know, any
creative collaboration is going to have those dynamics. It's very
rarely like oh we get along awesome and we have
you know, the spark that drives us as our commonality
and not our differences.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
That doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
It's usually the things that separate you are what makes
the collaboration great.

Speaker 19 (54:32):
But then I think it gets tenuous towards the end
because you clearly have this money making machine and everyone,
despite their feelings, their real feelings, doesn't really want to
upset the apple carts, so they're very tiptoe doking on eggshells.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
If you're smart, Metalica, you're gonna write.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Metallica got a you know, therapist to come in and
navigate things, which the dumbest thing they did was film
it and let everybody watch, Like I'm not eve even
sure what level of narcissism that is, or like just
fix it.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
And usually once you've.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Done that, the spark that made you guys great in
the conflict is gone and you might as well hang
it up.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
But like when you're talking like it's then a business.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
You have your creative endeavor has resulted in an entity
and a business, and now you just have to maintain
the business.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
And it's not the same thing that you started. Now
it's something different.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
It's this moving thing that is wrapped up in millions
of dollars and hundreds of jobs depending on it, and
then you just operate differently.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, I watched that. There's an HBO show called Couple's Therapy. Oh,
I love that show that. I love that therapist. I
think she's awesome. I do.

Speaker 19 (55:48):
But in my opinion, if you are going to sign
a waiver that says yes, you can put our stuff
out there on HBO and the relationship now agreed, or you.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Go deeper on that, yeah, yeah, can you describe more?

Speaker 1 (56:04):
But how about the way people on that show, Like
ninety percent of the times it's the guys.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Honest to god, it really every.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Time I've watched it, don't say it's like the guys
are so up their own ours and she will be
pointing out the most obvious things to.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Them, and they'll be like, I don't understand what the
problem is.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Well, what she's saying is that you can't take I
can take criticism, but she's saying you interrupt.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
I don't interrupt.

Speaker 22 (56:27):
If anything has taught me that show, like like if
you did a study on the statistics of that show,
I think the word polyamorous and relationship falling apart seem to.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Go hand with each other when anyone someone's just like,
I'm a little boored.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I wanted to step outside.

Speaker 19 (56:43):
I don't understand why there's trust issues all of a
sudden just because I'm banging somebody. Like, don't that sounds
like a recipe for disaster. Just break up the polyamory.
I don't know that's how you say it, all right.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
The thing that it always seems to be the dynamic
is one person is way more into it then the
other one is.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Always begrudgingly dragged into it.

Speaker 19 (57:03):
It seems like, but that's like the band thing, Like
clearly they have a life, we got a mortgage together,
so we don't like each other. We just got to
kind of say that we do to keep this thing
going and then we'll go.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Do our little side projects.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
But so I guess if you are, if there's an
element of bisexuality in it and there's only one common
third person, that you've got a chance, right sure, Like.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
I'm saying I made maybe this is so foreign to me,
but like, like how does this what what is this
third person?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Like a gimp costume? You just bring them out whenever
you guys are feeling bored.

Speaker 19 (57:38):
Like to me, it feels so abusive to the third
person person is married. But you guys kind of you
can kind of well tag team you into this this
weird game of double dutch that we're playing.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Yeah, it's like Mormonism, you know what I mean, it's like,
well the fundamentalists and Mormons.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
But that one, I'm not saying it's smart. I'm saying
you have a you have a snowball chance, right.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
The other one where it's just like go out and
you know, seek and conquer.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I don't know how you survive that.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
There's no way to follow those rules.

Speaker 19 (58:10):
Yeah, the amount of people that are cheating on people.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I just keep thinking. I was like, even if I
was inclined, which I'm not, I was like, the time
required to cover your tracks, to orchestrate all that.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Who has time to even pull that off? That's insane
to me. I don't know that show Couple Therapy I
absolutely love though.

Speaker 19 (58:30):
See I say that, I would, you know, it's grotesque
to me? But where am I? I'm watching the whole
I'm watching it the whole time.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Well, there's a voyeuristic element to it, you know. It's
kind of like taxi cab confessions to me, which I
find just as interesting to watch as couple therapy because
those people are really unguarded because they don't know they're
being filmed until afterwards, and then they agree to do
it and they're like, hey, that whole conversation we just had,
will you sign a waiver and let us put it

(58:57):
on HBO And then they decide, you know what, yeah,
and I'm gonna get paid X amount. Sometimes sometimes I know, yeah,
I'm sure that they HBO lawyers up the right way,
and when people are super banged up, they don't allow
them to do it. But like they'll pick people up
like strippers from strip joint, and they'll talk about their

(59:18):
lives and stuff and their boyfriends and sometimes it's tragic
and sometimes it's hilarious, but it's really people being honest,
whereas in couple's therapy they're pretty guarded.

Speaker 19 (59:28):
But sometimes like you know, we're sitting here to acting
like you know, everyone you know should you should have
you should respect your own privacy and anyone. How many
times have you been in a conversation at a party
where you're like, Hi, my name's Jeff. Oh hey, my
name's Bill, or my name's Andy, or my name is
Tom or whatever, and then three minutes later they're like,
I never really liked my dad, Like they can't wait
to get it out of the like, okay, I was

(59:49):
just talking about the weather here, like, you know, not
your deepest nightmares.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
We're going to talk to Gen's territory about the Ravens
fans and nightmares that the referees gave them yesterday by
the Steelers on three huge game changing plays. Mike's got
your sports. When we come back, Rob came with a
power hour of Steeler talks. The Steelers beat the Ravens
twenty seven to twenty two yesterday Aaron Rodgers in company.

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I will say it was awesome to see them just
start off with a bang back to pass. Look, you're
gonna throw one deep down the right sideline attended for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Dk Metcalp catches it, inshrine a huge game down inside
the fifteen yard line up the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
All this talk about no erayard completions by Rogers in
the last month, they come right out with a bomb
down the right sideline. Oh, that was glorious. Three quarters
of great football from the Steelers offense. And then there
was the fourth quarter that made me scream for about
thirty minutes Aaron Rodgers listened to the Therapist.

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Steelers twenty seven to twenty two victory over the Ravens.
But headline number two is the re emergence of Aaron
Rodgers as the man in command. Mike Tomlin not only
saw it, he anticipated what he got from Rogers when
the Steelers needed it most.

Speaker 14 (01:02:24):
You know, we knew what was on the line today.
And that's why you go do business with a guy
like Aaron for thick days like the day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
He's been there, done that guy.

Speaker 14 (01:02:34):
But beyond the experienced component of it, he relishes it.
You can just tell. And that's the benefit of having
a guy like ar.

Speaker 12 (01:02:43):
And that has been the story for the Steelers since
they began talking with Aaron Rodgers. And it was debated
for three months. Yeah, diver take, are they doing the
right thing? Is he gonna come? Is he not gonna come?
Why do they want this guy? He's too old, he's
washed blah, blah blah. What you saw yesterday when they
had the pedal down, which they did for about three quarters,

(01:03:05):
was the guy who can potentially be the difference maker,
the guy that can stop this eight year slog of
getting into the playoffs but not getting in. If Mike
Tomlins you get there, and that's why it can be different.
I'm not saying it's gonna be, but there's a chance.
And I've been fielding calls all season, fielded another one

(01:03:25):
last night.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Oh they're just gonna get blown out in the first round.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Well, if that's the way you feel, why are you
even watching?

Speaker 16 (01:03:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Please be joyless on your own.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Try to suck everybody. It's sports. It's supposed to be
fun for UF's sake. I mean, that's what I've been
trying to say all morning. If you didn't enjoy them
beating the Ravens yesterday, then nothing's really gonna make you happy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Show the super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
It's like the guy who called in the postgame show
of the Super Bowl after we went in Tampa and said, yeah,
next year, they're really gonna have to clean up that
secondary And it's like, enjoy the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Some people are happy, miserable, So we're far.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Away from Matt but but the way before you get
to that, that was also quintessential Steelers Ravens, no matter
how it ended. Yes, and we talk every year, but
I can't wait for these two games, and maybe they'll
be a third.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
And it's special and it's different, and it is and
do you not love that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Lamar eats it every time he plays the Steelers, and
that well most of the time, most of the time.
You know, he was nineteen thirty five yesterday, and where
he failed is where I thought Rogers was better than him,
which was he started hearing those footsteps because they were
getting to him, and he was making some quick throws
and missing guys and throwing up their feet. Rogers only

(01:04:42):
did that once, maybe twice yesterday, in the prior three
weeks since the Chargers game. Yes, he really started hearing
the footsteps and he was seeing ghosts and all of that,
you know, the Sam Darnold line, and it seemed to
change yesterday. He seemed determined to stay poised the pocket
as long as he could and not be afraid to

(01:05:03):
move his feet and get out of trouble.

Speaker 12 (01:05:05):
I thought what you saw was quintessential pocket mobility. Yes,
sensing where the pressure was coming from, sensing how to
avoid it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
He trusted himself, keeping his.

Speaker 12 (01:05:14):
Head down, his eyes downfield, and being able to make
a different play than the one that was called.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
And then with Andres Pete and then him going out
and having their third tackle in Dylan Cook. Look, he'd
have been forgiven if he was really panicking, and I
didn't think he was panicky yesterday. I think Mike Tomlin
in the fourth quarter did what Mike Tomlin does, which is,
we'll get to set it up for our defense to
win and their defense isn't good enough for that right now? Well,
it's done that several times. I was about to fifth

(01:05:42):
save yesterday, okay, and the guys with the stripes helped
out quite a bit.

Speaker 12 (01:05:47):
I would have played it, well, I'm just talking about
the defense at the oh, you're talking about the likely
playing on that fair fair point, I'd have played it
differently on the last possession where they just went run,
run pass.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
How much time are you are you saving them?

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Who cares like Josh Allen would not have hand Well
maybe he would have, but you see my point there,
they are begging you to throw the ball. Have a
little confidence you just brought in MVS and Adam Feeling
line those.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Guys up outside.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
How about that, by the way, Well, you know some
people were speculating that's why you saw DK have such
a big game yesterday because they couldn't not pay attention
to those two.

Speaker 19 (01:06:23):
I thought the hilarious thing was MVS got one target
that I could see, and it was for like a
three yard slant route. I was like, this guy is
six foot nine. I was like, and you give my
three yard slant route. I was like, post my God,
send it far. Roman Wilson healthy scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Hey, I'm I don't care honestly, Like I know, he
was getting open here or there. The experiment with you know,
five nine receivers and stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:06:52):
The bottom line is they finally figured out you can't
have more than one short guy. Yes, you just can't.
And Calvin os then is still pretty good player.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
He's got the speed any you need him for punt returns,
so he's got to get the nod over rumming Wilson.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
There.

Speaker 12 (01:07:08):
Vs is six y four and Adam Thieland is six
to two. And Adam Thieland is still a pro, and
he still blocks him. He's supposed to block, and he
runs his route the way you're supposed to run your route,
and those guys are just getting started.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
By the way, kudos to Friarmouth for after the Darnow
Washington injury, a nice block on that touchdown for.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Game und block.

Speaker 12 (01:07:25):
Yeah, they still haven't figured out that he's a really
good player they can throw him the football, but they
did remember that DK Metcalf's a pretty good player, and
they threw him the football, and they threw it to
him early.

Speaker 13 (01:07:39):
No, we did it against Cincinnati as well in the
first third down. I wasn't first play of the game,
but I just like arts kind of focus. He wanted
to be aggressive throwing the ball, you know, and I
knew it was going to be a lot of different guys,
but once d K got going, I just kind of
had to keep feeding him and he had a couple
huge plays in the line. You know, in the second half,

(01:08:02):
we've kind of sucked the first possession of the second
half coming out, and you know, to start off with
a extended past play and then DK to keep working
and keep working and keep working and have big play,
get us down there and get a field goal and
then go down score a Testown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
It was there's two good drives for us to start
the half.

Speaker 12 (01:08:20):
You know what, he referenced Sarah getting the ball with
the lead to start a second half.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
We kind of suck. No, they've sucked.

Speaker 12 (01:08:28):
They they win the previous scenarios three punts, an interception,
and a fumble return for a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
Okay, yeah, they sucks. Did they win the toss at
the beginning at the third? Okay? So if you choose that,
especially you're counting on, yeah, you have to go out
and execute there.

Speaker 12 (01:08:47):
I mean, it's you know, it's still cloudy, but it's
a little sunnier today than it was in terms of
how they're proceeding and what they might yet be capable of. Mike,
you know, can we just say that it's not over yet?
They're not dead.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
They beat the Ravens in Baltimore. What is there to
be upset about. I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
There's still some season left and there they're a competitor.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Yeah, yes, But are they actually dead?

Speaker 19 (01:09:11):
Because that as a Steelers Ravens game usually looks, it
looked like Antietam at the end of the day. Now
there's people biting belts, getting the bone saws out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
I mean it was rough. We lost so many people.
There was a lot of concussions. It's got a halfway right, Yeah,
it's close to Antietam. Isn't it just a football field
on the I guess I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
They should build a stadium in Breezewood just for those games,
is what they should do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Quick break and we'll come back. Top players of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Also Gene Sterotor doing today instead of tomorrow because oh,
there's lots to talk about when it comes officiating.

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Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Hey, Michelle, I got a Google for the lunch.

Speaker 11 (01:10:12):
Great ideas on one O two point five dvs.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
This season, the top five plays of the game. In
the Steelers twenty seven to twenty two victory over the
Ravens at Mt. Banks Stadium yesterday, there was a lot
of Steeler fans there, more than I would have thought
would have showed up, because that's that's tough territory to
it venture into.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
My wife will never go back there. She went one
time once sold. It took at number five.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
Third quarter of the game, with three minutes and thirty
seconds left, it was twenty to sixteen Ravens. When Aaron
Rodgers had his pick of who to throw a touchdown
pass to Pat Fryarmouth your Jalen Warren. He quickly dumped
it down to Jail new Scamper's thirty eight yards the right.
Rodgers in the shotgun gets a snap back to pass
rose to one in the right flat, wide open, scooting

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down the right sideline pass room.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
There is nobody there and he's in for the score.

Speaker 18 (01:11:12):
Jail and Warren a short pass out to the flat
and he goes thirty eight yards in for the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Kind of wish you would hit Friremuth on that, just
to get moose going. You know, do you think he
makes it to the end zee, Well, that's a good point.
He was pretty wide open. There was nobody here.

Speaker 12 (01:11:27):
Pretty I think Rogers saw that at the line of scrimmage.
I'd love to know what they had called there. I
bet it wasn't that well it resulted in six.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
The Steelers then go up twenty seven sixteen at that point.
At number four, this was in the first quarter of
the game. Aaron Rodgers behind center, intending to go to
John hu Smith, but he falls down. So what does
a forty two year old quarterback do?

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Scamper?

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It's a snap turns play action pass, rolling out to
the left, looking to get to the quarner of the end.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
To he does Aaron Rodgers, hitting for the Pittsburgh Steelers
touchdown on the naked boot.

Speaker 14 (01:12:08):
To the left.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Did the discount double check? Mm hmm.

Speaker 19 (01:12:11):
That play is gonna be brought to you by Ben
Gay because Aaron Rodgers just popped every ligament coming coming
down the pike on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
I really did think that he looked pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Agile yesterday as compared to the last three weeks. It
looks like he had before the Chargers game number three
play of the game. To start off their first offensive
play from scrimmage, they flout all the criticism that Data
throw the deep ball, and he hits DK on a
fifty two yarder pass, looking gonna throw one deep down

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the right sideline attended for.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
DK, that gap catches it, inshrine a huge game down
inside the fifteen yard line of the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
All this talk about no erayard completions by Rogers in
the last month. They come right out with a bomb
on the right sideline. They'd going to score that Aaron
Rodgers touchdown after that, and Mike that did a lot
to pave the way for what they would be able
to do offensively after it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:11):
I heard somewhere before the game that you could get
behind number forty four, Humphrey. Where'd you hear that that
even if number twelve was in double coverage, he wasn't
very good at it and you could exploit that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
We're oh wait, I said that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
The number two play end the less number two play
of the game is the one that ended it. Alex
high Smith bringing down Lamar Jackson as time expactor. Lamar
Jackson rush coming from the backside, He's.

Speaker 6 (01:13:40):
Hit take it down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
It's high Smith with the sack back at the thirty
eight yard line, and that will do it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
The Steelers come to M and T Bank Stadium and
win twenty seven to twenty two, and they are back
in first place by themselves in the AFC. The scream
I let out, My neighbors must have thought my hand
was on a stove.

Speaker 19 (01:14:05):
Just I definitely let out a couple ooh.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I mean, good play by high Smiths. But how do
you get sacked there?

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Oh? Look, the game's over.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
If you get you got two shots left with the
amount of time. If it's not there right away, throw
it away.

Speaker 12 (01:14:22):
Lift the fight one more down. You cannot get sacked
there or you lose.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
And the number one play of the game, and we're
gonna be talking to gens Terator about this one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
In about fifty minutes, play.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Action passed, looking throws toward the end zone. It's Isaiah
likely and it's knocked out, but not until he's in
the end zone with possession. It's a touchdown for the
Ravens and they.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Have taken the league. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
He does not meet the three criteria of a touchdown catch.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
In the NFL. Never mind what you're lying eyes are
telling you.

Speaker 12 (01:14:57):
You know, nobody almost scores touchdowns like Isaiah Likely.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
I said to God, I didn't think that Joey Porter
Junior even got his hand up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I thought Isaiah Likely just like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Opened his hands like haha, touchdown again. I'm like, why
does this guy hate holding onto the ball in the
end zone two weeks in a row for him? Well,
remember back a couple of seasons ago, uh, Kansas City,
he had like the big toe on the end line
and the catch didn't count. They would have won that game.

Speaker 12 (01:15:25):
And then he was running in against Cincinnati and he
fumbled before he got to the goal line. And I
don't know that is not good at finishing touchdown plays.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Twenty seven twenty two, the Steelers win there in first
place in the AFC North, and the Dolphins come to
town with a really good rushing attack on Monday night,
Monday Night Football, a little bit of a roll Miami.
That guy saved his job. They're not gonna gash.

Speaker 15 (01:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:15:47):
Remember six weeks ago they were awful and he was
gonna get fired. And that was a layup like the
NFL changes. I don't know if people are aware of
this what happens on one Sunday does not absolutely one
hundred percent dictate what's going to happen the next Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
The big news story yesterday morning was oh coach Tomlin?

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
Or was a Saturday night? Oh March.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
First, they have to designate whether they're gonna pick up
his option for twenty twenty seven, And the Steelers could
trade him before then, and maybe they'll get.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Rid of him then not now, he ain't going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
He get blew a kiss to the camera and walked
off the field as if to say.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
Kiss my grits. Exactly. It could still end seven and ten.
It is true.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
It could end eleven and six. It could end.

Speaker 12 (01:16:36):
Whatever the derivations are. With four games left, I know nobody.
I don't know what's gonna happen. Are they gonna beat Miami?
Are they gonna beat Baltimore again?

Speaker 15 (01:16:45):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Are they gonna beat the Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
There's not a Steeler fan who does not think they're
gonna lose to Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Everybody thinks they're gonna go out and lose this game.

Speaker 12 (01:16:53):
I mean, Cleveland actually showed some life on offense yesterday, Shadoor.
Of course, the Browns beating the Browns their impenetrable defense.
The one game where they get credible offense, their defense
takes it up.

Speaker 19 (01:17:05):
I think what you don't want is a Browns team
that's only motivation is to hobble the Steelers going into
the playoffs. And that's like, you don't think Miles Garrett
wants to take take his pound of flesh and put
Aaron Rodgers in that graveyard that he always talks about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I will say they were also helped out by the
Bills yesterday taking care of the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Crazy game too, kind of took them out of it.
I think, what do you mean they got three wins?

Speaker 15 (01:17:29):
Right? Or no?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
They have nine losses? It's four. They're four and nine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
I think I think the division could still be one
at eight and nine.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Mediocrity. Hey, somebody gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Is it parody or is it the opposite? Is it
just ever when everybody stinks that's parody? Right, Yeah, it's
a little of both, we all think equally.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Yeah. Still, that was classic Steelers Ravens.

Speaker 12 (01:17:53):
I mean that was I don't know that either one
of those teams is going anywhere, but that was one
of the great Steelers Ravens games, and a long Litany.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
Probably the most entertaining game this year. I would say.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
The thing I like about it is Lamar laising egg
again against the Steelers. Mark Andrews has a hand on
a game deciding play again. Well, my personal favorite development
is Harball Harball. And that was the third thing is
that Harbaugh is pulling his hair out for.

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Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
What's the poot claps the hands, gets a snap back
the pass.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
Looking Raven's bringing pressure and the.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Balls knocked are rout at the line of scrimmage and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Rogers caught it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
No, the Ravens having it's Teddy b canned. He was
battling with Rogers and they say, if you Canon came
down with it for the students, he was bad at
the line of scrimmage and at the bottom of the
pile they're saying the Ravens have the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Is return over to bring this play and then the
further review.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
I mean, I guess the question there is going to
be did Rogers have possession of it?

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
When his knack out on the field, it's usually a
good sign.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Yeah, Pittsburgh was down by contact with possession of the ball.
One of three calls by the officials yesterday that drew
the ire of Ravens fans. And I'm not so sure.
I don't know that one. I don't love. I kind

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of feel like he fought for the ball at the
same time as the Ravens defender and then his knees down.
I don't know if he totally has possession of it there.
We're gonna talk to Jean Sterator in forty minutes. He'll
clear up everything. We already know what the league's stances
on the Isaiah Likely touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
There were so many calls.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Yesterday outside of that that were like little ones that
I think had a little reverberating effect when we challenge.
There is a Flowers catch that I still don't think
was a catch. They challenged the Calvin Austin that they
said wasn't a catch, But if the Flowers one was,
I don't understand why the Calvin Austin third down catch
where he falls out of bounds and the ball moves

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a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Why that's not a catch?

Speaker 19 (01:21:33):
The likely one is gonna be brutal, and as Pittsburgh's
we have to feel a little sympathetic for Baltimore. Seven
years ago, it was Jesse James getting told that a
catch is not a catch unless it's caught in the
process of making a catch while catching it. So like
that's right, So we're in the same And my whole
thing is, have have we heard from Jesse James since?

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Like where Jesse James evaporated it? I feel like at
this point he's just haunting Roger's office at NFL headquarters
like he's the Phantom of the opera, Like every time
a catch gets overturned, a chandelier mysteriously.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Falls from the ceiling.

Speaker 19 (01:22:09):
And I don't know, like, like I'm honestly like, did
they I know stereotor was gonna get into this in
a little bit, but like, to me, making a catch
in the NFL now is like a Facebook relationship status,
Like it is complicated, Like it seems like it's getting
more and more complicated. Like I didn't know that this
whole football move was wasn't evil?

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
I need the football move, But I don't know what
constitutes a football move, and I didn't know it was
getting three steps in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
To me, the football move was when he caught it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
That's a football move, Like he catches it and then
he's holding it like Frankenstein, Like, Okay, he's taken two steps.
That to me should have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Been a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
I'm so glad it wasn't, and I'll take the w
and I'm not upset about it the least. But boy,
they are losing their minds in Baltimore today, especially because
it was against the Steelers with the division on the line.

Speaker 19 (01:23:06):
Well, it's because you have refs out here sounding like
college freshmen that just took shrooms for the first time, Like, yeah,
it looks like a catch, but like, isn't this all
just a simulation, man, And we need refs to be
consistent humans like hierarchy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
We like clear laws. We thriving clear laws.

Speaker 19 (01:23:27):
We need refs, or the NFL would be like playing
football with that one big, mean neighborhood kid who would
like make up his own rules. You know, he'd just
be out there like my team gets five downs and
your team isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Allowed to pasketball Like what why is that? Because I
hit puberty early and my dad's never home. I don't
know how these refs do it, Like I could never
ever be a referee. That's why he didn't turn on
his mic when he said that the like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Don't these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
I mean, they should bring out a ventriloquist dummy and
then everyone will just get mad at the dummy to
make it way more palatable.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Yeah, but like I can't. I don't.

Speaker 19 (01:24:08):
I can don't know how I to identify with these
guys because they have to make unpopular decisions, like I
have such an insatiable need to be Like, there is
no way I could be a referee whatsoever. The first
time I'd make a call that anybody disagreed with, I'd
be like false start offense boo uh.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Never mind fall start defense. That's a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Take three points off the boards, you guys, look at
my friends, right, I'm with you on that. Imagine the
post game commiserating that goes on with the zebras. I
mean they just downing cocktails like they make air traffic
controllers look like yoga instructors in terms of stress.

Speaker 19 (01:24:45):
Well, because here's the other problem is that the refs
have to contend with people. They're subject to the popular
opinion of people who don't know what they're talking about.
How many people in a sixty thousand seat stadium know
what constitutes an illegal FORMA well, no, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Did you know that, like Gainwell was not on the
line and that was illegal formation two weeks ago?

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
I didn't see. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Speaker 19 (01:25:11):
I'll bet you out of sixty thousand people in a stadium,
what maybe a thousand people know what like an illegal
formation is?

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
He left the tackle.

Speaker 19 (01:25:19):
So then let's subtract from that one thousand people the
people who are so drunk they can't see straight.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
To begin with, there's so many men on the feel
they got like twenty two guys out there, a lot
of those wearing the same number like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
That, Why you have these people have to take.

Speaker 19 (01:25:35):
The opinions of people who don't know what they're talking
about into heart like But like Jeff, everybody has to
take the opinion of people who don't know what they're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
If you have most people with opinions don't know what
they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
I always say opinions are like a holes, you shouldn't
share yours on Facebook. Jean's territory is gonna join us
at eight forty five, and I can't wait to hear
him say things that are going to infuriate Ravens fans
because he's going into his guns. It's gonna make its
way back to Baltimore and they're gonna hear that. Jean

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Sterotare popped onto the Steelers flagship station today and said, now,
the refs had it right all along, and Harbaugh's head
is going to explode.

Speaker 19 (01:26:19):
Well in the game, he said that the the uh,
unnecessary roughness on Coon's was a bad They was like,
that was a bad call. So, I mean, I don't know,
like the to me, that gives you credibility. If you're
saying that one was, then the other one, I think
that that you can take it. You can take it
the heart if the other one was by the letter
of the law, by the letter of the rule.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
The only one they screwed up was that one. Okay,
But in terms of the eye test, which I think
most football should be adjudicated, when it's all said and done,
and it was for you know, the entirety of the
sport until technology recently made that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Uh you know, go away is it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
If it passes the eye test, it's good enough Rogers
having possession there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
I don't know. I know my pin in it against
the helmet going down? Yeah, the likely touchdown? How is
it not a touchdown? I don't even get it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
But I think the same thing with the Calvin Austin
catch and is a Flowers catch? Like the lack of
consistency is what's pissing people off.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
There's no doubt we'll talk to gen. As I said.
In a half an hour, Abbey's got a news update
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Speaker 6 (01:27:23):
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Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
It's cloudy and very cold today with a high of
just thirty. All right, I want to know what you're
feeling on This is for big music festivals. If somebody
brings a beach ball or an inflatable, are.

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
They the thun guy or are they a d bag?

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Umm?

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
It's weird because there are bands like Metallica that sell
Metallica beach balls and that is a strange thing to
me because it doesn't seem to yeah, fit with the
the vibe. Right, And I know what the story is about.
I uh, I don't love beach balls, but they don't.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
I don't know they don't. You beach ball comes my way,
I'm gonna bat it around.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
But it depends about It depends on what show though, right, Like,
I actually don't want it at a Metallica show. To me,
that's like a Cyndi Laupper thing. Sidney Lapper. Could I
come up with a more dated reference, but like she's choring,
But like if like it a Sabrina Carpenter show, they're like,
it's fun loving, And I disagree with you. I think
if you were at a funeral and a beach ball

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came your way, you'd be like your instinctual reaction be like,
keep you upy, keep you up, you.

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
Got, that's your first thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Every time I think of a beach ball, I think
of that Simpsons scene where where U somebody's going I
can't remember if it's part's going through spank therapy and
the guy the guy's just spanking him non stop and
he's spanking him on like for days, and then a
windows open and a beach ball comes through and sank
outward motion. But the beach ball at a concert thing

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summer vibes Jimmy Buffett, Sure, but at Marilyn Manson, no.

Speaker 19 (01:29:04):
I think it pops the tension a little bit, and
those shows you start realizing you're like, all right, let's
not take ourselves too seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
The reason you're bringing this story up.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Is because Garbage was performing in Australia and apparently somebody
started tossing a beach ball around and some fans apparently
got annoyed by it, and the performer did too. Shirley
Manson of Garbage got really upset about it, which actually
shocked me how upset she got about it, to the
point where she stopped the show and did a full

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on rant about it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Oh God, if you're.

Speaker 24 (01:29:36):
A big beach ball, I'm so scared of you, so
thrilled by you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
What the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
She went on to say, I joined a band because
I hate the beach.

Speaker 6 (01:29:57):
It seemed like a deep core wound.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Something something happened to her at a sand castle or
carnival or something.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Her brother was killed by a shark.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
It does seem like on this tour she's been using
any kind of grievance to use it as a way
to talk about what artists are owed.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Her Spotify rant was great, it was.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
The beach Ball ran a little just.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
I don't get it, And we got to point out
that Pittsburgh, Katie Moran is the tour manager on that
tour and was probably probably at a front row seat
for all of that. But I'm wondering what set her
off about beach Ball. It's just that vibe I think
doesn't fit garbage shows. It'd be like one at a Courtney Love,

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like a whole show.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
Like it is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Yeah, I kind of associated more with summary shows, but
her hatred of it seems really disproportioned.

Speaker 19 (01:31:00):
Well, she's in Australia and it's summer in Australia, so
she can't use that as it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Maybe that's it.

Speaker 19 (01:31:04):
She's like, it's winter, it's like not in the Southern Hemisphere.
We're still the axis is tilted the other way here
in Australia.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Very beachy, I agree, very very beachy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
Jes is speaking of music festivals for Billy McFarland, it
appears that third time really is the charm. After the
colossal failure of Firefest one and fire Fest two, McFarlane
actually managed to stage a real physical music festival that
he called Phoenix.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
It was in Honduras on Saturday.

Speaker 5 (01:31:35):
Nights and artists actually showed up, and people showed up,
and there were bathrooms and edible food.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
But success is a loose term.

Speaker 5 (01:31:48):
It probably varies on your interpretation of the word. But
for McFarland, who spent four hours in prison on fraud
charges in the aftermath of Fire Festival, he can say
that he definitely put on a fifties Okay, so it
was French Montana, okay, Bobby.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Schermuda, Bobby Schmerda, Schmerda, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Okay, I didn't know what.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:11):
I can't believe you know that. My dog's up in
the dog house. Sorry, I'm the only one knows that one.
I can't believe you know Bobby Schmurder.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
Who's Slim Jimmy?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Slim Jimmy I'm not familiar with.

Speaker 6 (01:32:23):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:32:24):
Well, they all took the stage at various points on
Saturday night, and it was live streamed. And I know
that because I saw a few on TikTok and this
looked like the saddest office party that you've ever seen
in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Look bad, I saw it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
Yeah, just a couple red solo cups and some really
drunk forty.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
So it looked like festivals that I've been booked at
in my twenties, like where you go and you're like, yeah, dude,
huge festival. This is gonna be great for the band,
and you go nobody's there. Yes, Oh, this isn't as
great as we talked.

Speaker 5 (01:32:52):
Very sparsely attended, only a few hundred people on site
by a very rough count. A social media post shared
ahead of Saturday's festivities also suggested that locals were encouraged
to attend for free just to try to like juice
the numbers. But the live stream was like a pov
feed price that was like six ninety nine. But even

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that only had one hundred active viewers at its peak,
so people weren't into it. So they probably took a
bath on this just to get French Montana.

Speaker 19 (01:33:22):
They probably had other acts, but the air force blew
them up in the water.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Bobby Scher was smart? Are smart at in the Atlantic Ocean?

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Was queuing that up, dude, I mean short of actually,
holy get in Venezuela, Central America. They don't know the
difference a boat coming from South America. And I'm going
to just press the button. Yeah, I don't know who
gave that guy money. How does he have money to
throw a festival? How is he paying those acts?

Speaker 19 (01:33:57):
I literally think there's this whole sub economy of people
with too much money, like who spend it because it's
they know it's going nowhere?

Speaker 3 (01:34:06):
And I feel like this guy.

Speaker 19 (01:34:07):
Gets funded because there's some like rich oil magnate son.
That's just like, wouldn't it be funny if I gave
this guy a million dollars to get Bobby Schmerda to Honduras?

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Like that's how much money these people have?

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
This is to do it for the Loll's crowd, right exactly?
The money?

Speaker 19 (01:34:24):
Yeah, who travels abroad to go see that show? Like
that's a show that you'd go to do? What what
Detroit for? Maybe not to Honduras?

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Agreed?

Speaker 15 (01:34:33):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:34:33):
And what happened to Jall?

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
He escaped?

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
I'm not exactly sure how he got away unscathed. I
just remember it was already pretty scathed at that point.
He he he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Have a lot of a lot of political capital to
spend it. I don't think. I don't think the bar
could have got much lower.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Well, when that documentary came out, I remember he played Jurgles,
like right after that, and I was thinking, like, one
guy's in jail and the other guy's playing at Jurgles,
and they both were.

Speaker 19 (01:35:00):
Here's the moral in the story is if fifty cent
doesn't like you, there's a good reason you should. Yeah,
listen to fifty cent. He's apparently a great judge of character.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
He kind of is in a weird way that does
bear out.

Speaker 19 (01:35:15):
Dude, he was on the peed that he trained like
a decade ago. Yeah, and no one was listening to him, and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
He wasn't afraid because everyone thought it was just like petty,
you know what I mean, Like he had a petty grievance.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
It's like, no, he actually knew what was going on there.

Speaker 19 (01:35:27):
Yeah, and he was obviously tough enough and rich enough
to withstand be like, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
So now what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
The diddy thing is kind of I feel like it's
being underplayed that they basically learned, basically learned he had
Tupac and Biggie killed and then like made his widow
sing a song about him while he danced around at
the Grammys saying.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
How much he loved him, and he's the guy that had.

Speaker 5 (01:35:52):
Him killed and had him pay for his own funeral,
had the estate pay for his own funeral.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yeah, like that seems like a should be a much
bigger story in the national consciousness right now.

Speaker 19 (01:36:04):
No, well, def I mean, but does I don't know,
Like I think the Tupac Biggie feud is so ingrained
in American music culture that nobody really I don't know
if anybody really wants to let go of that yet,
like and admit that it was there was a lone actor,
or that it wasn't some kind of big cultural significance
and it was just some guy kind of ginning up

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a discord between two rival factions.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
I don't know if we're ready to let go of
that that yet.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
I don't know, but it would seem to me that,
like when we had Bill Bellaman here the other day, Yeah,
I know he knows a lot of those people, and
I kind of wanted to ask him a lot of
questions about it that I'm like, yeah, that'd be rude. Well,
that just he's a good guy. I don't want to
mess with him.

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
Fifty cent was just built to be like one of
the most hilarious bullies you've ever met in your life.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
The fact that he dated what's her name, the comedians
Chelsea Handler, Like that is such a funny couple to me.
That's a pretty funny cuffle right up there with Brigitte
Nielsen and Flavor Flame. Yeah, like, just do not see
these two haven't anything in common, and yet they apparently
had one thing that was really important.

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
Yeah, it is very cold today.

Speaker 6 (01:37:15):
It's gonna be high of just thirty.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
Mike will be in with your sports.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
We're gonna talk to Jean staretur at eight forty five
today and he's.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Gonna lay it all out for you how that all unfolded.

Speaker 1 (01:37:25):
And except for the unnecessary roughness on Coon's on that
field goal, they got it right on the other ones.
I don't know Ravens fans, I think they have a
right to be pissed today.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
I'm happy with it. We beat the Ravens. I don't
care how it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
We're in first place in the AFC North and I'm
gonna enjoy it because you have all the way until
Monday night when the Dolphins come to town for Monday
Night Football. To live in this world where the Steelers
are headed to the playoffs. Now, if they lose on
Monday night. Well, things start to turning. The others didn't
look bad either.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
Now four wins in a row and Steelers in primetime
always makes.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
Me pucker a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
Rob came with a power hour. The pucker hour is
a better name for it. May Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
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Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
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Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Yesterday goes the Steelers way. I wonder what it was
like walking out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Well, I can tell you you know what's funny now,
And I was thinking about this yesterday. Walking out of
sporting events now is just a like dodging a myriad
of people who are recording their like rage, yes, yeah,
just staring into their camera, walking and talking and screaming.
I saw a bunch of that from the Big Ten

(01:39:14):
Championship on Saturday night. Again, congratulations Jacob to your Indiana Hoosiers.
And I saw a bunch of it from the Ravens
game yesterday. Just we're turning into these people who don't
even talk to each other. It's excuse me, I need
to talk to my audience. If I was a Steelers fan,
I think I wouldn't have walked out. I would have run, yeah,
to get as far away from people as I I

(01:39:37):
would have waited in the stadium for like an hour
and let it clear out.

Speaker 19 (01:39:41):
Either that or you go to the Ravens pro shop,
you get a shirt on discount, you throw that over
top of everything, and you just start shaking your head
and saying freaking reps the whole way out. And then
you're saying, right like the end of victory where they
all put the coats on, you know, yo. That's why
I always bring a fake mustache every away. Again, it's
Smart Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
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Speaker 12 (01:40:05):
Applying to the Steels cap the most tumultuous week in
Mike Tobblins nineteen seasons with a dramatic, potentially seed season
saving win in Baltimore wide receiver Calvin Austin. I insisted
all the negativity pouring from the stands at Acriture the
previous Sunday had no bearing on how the players approached

(01:40:26):
beating the Ravens, to be like, we don't care.

Speaker 24 (01:40:29):
Oh, like the whole world is each hand and fire coaches.
We're gonna do a coachino and at playing talking room
behind him, so.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
The whole world could be It sounded like the whole
world was. I love that guy, I Colvin Austin. Now,
Calvin Austin just seems like a good teammate. I don't
know every sound clip I've heard of him, it just
sounds sounds like he's a good locker room guy.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
He's been on the show a few times and it's
always outstanding.

Speaker 12 (01:40:57):
Yeah, yeah, root for They got a lot of respect
for that. I mean he's got obviously some he's vertically challenged.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
Yeah, but he's so fast. I mean, yeah, you to
our earlier point, you can.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Have one of those guys, you can't have a bunch
of them.

Speaker 12 (01:41:12):
Linebacker Patrick Queen, another Steelers player who maintained that part
of the deal last week was just ignore the noise.

Speaker 10 (01:41:21):
I mean, at the end of the day, this media
media gonna do stuff like that. Any guy the build
I can care less. You know, it's a brotherhood as
a family. We got each other's back. All we cared
about was in the building. All the stuff outside we
could care less about. We just wanting to do his
best for us on our team. So just being able
to get a win like this right now, he's just
gonna create momental I think at the end of the day,

(01:41:42):
we all understand how everything went this week, so we
need to repeat that this week.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
You know, he's talking about how everything went.

Speaker 12 (01:41:48):
He meant the whole preparation process and practice in the
meetings and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:41:53):
It's it matters now.

Speaker 12 (01:41:55):
I mean it matters in September two, but it really
matters now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
But this is why griping helps the fans. All of
that noise last week put the pressure on these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Not that they wouldn't have had a certain amount of
pressure they would put on themselves to perform better, but
the noise, the cacophony of complaints coming from Steeler Nation
really puts the pressure on them, like, hey, you guys
got we got to focus here. And as much as
I didn't love the fact that Aaron Rodgers seemed very
casual about I mean, it's just the Ravens game, and

(01:42:30):
you know it's a big, big game. We just gotta
we just gotta be better in preparation. And I wanted
him to be more like TJ. Watt, foaming at the mouth, like, yeah,
this is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
The raven But he's like that during the game. He's
like that dealing. Well, you saw you wanted to murder
Arthur Smith yesterday. Yes, maybe been a favor of How
did they know I have a play ready to go?

Speaker 15 (01:42:51):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
He's subbing a guy. You know, we didn't catch it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Let's just get up there and do something silly, and
I you know, and you see him get pissed. Apy
I know that he saves his excitement for the ice.
I get all right, But I even think that the
coaching was better this week. They were way better coached
up on defense, even though they let the Ravens run
for over two hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
Oddly, it looked better than it did against the bill.

Speaker 12 (01:43:17):
I don't think you're saying I thought it was pretty credible. Now,
two seventeen sucks on paper, but one of those runs
was a what sixty five yard? No, I mean that
it counts. But they didn't let Baltimore dictate the game running,
which is what Buffalo did. And and because they didn't
let Baltimore dictate the game running, they were able to

(01:43:37):
play from ahead, and that helped Romo.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
Romo's going nuts that they weren't running the ball. He's like,
what are you doing? Our bud does this historically against
us all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
It doesn't against other people. He's nineteen thirty five for
Lamar Jackson yesterday.

Speaker 12 (01:43:53):
I don't know why they just don't go big ten
and you know, old school big ten and run the
ball sixty times and throw it eight.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
It would work, It probably would.

Speaker 1 (01:44:03):
Yeah, And that's you know that he's got his detractors
in his neighborhood too, And that's why, because they too
often get away from the run.

Speaker 19 (01:44:12):
That two minute drill at the end of the game
for Baltimore would have you would have on the post
game wrap up show. You can better believe that was
going to be a topic of conversation. That seemed like
they were taking their sweet old time getting down the field.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
Lamar is bad in those situations, like as much like
I kind of wonder is Caleb Williams going to be
the next Lamar? Like all this potential that never gets realized.
And with Lamar it's just the big games. He just
crumbles in big games and crumbles in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
That's not good. You saw what was.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
The they posted his record like against division rivals and
in the postseason it's not good at all, and it's
almost spotless against everybody everybody else. But that's no margarcypar
you know what I mean. It's like, oh, was it
eleven nothing? Yeah, he was five for five today? Was
it two to one? Yeah he was over four. There's

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some of that every once in a while. Defensively, they
clearly have their warts.

Speaker 12 (01:45:08):
Statistically, they're not good, and we've all seen them blow
coverages and get run over and all the warts have
been on display. But safe situations. This isn't an NFL
stat but it's one of my stats. When they're on
the field at the end of the game and they
have to get a stop to win their four and one. Wow, Really, Jets,

(01:45:30):
New England, Minnesota and Baltimore yesterday. Wow, they blew the
game at Cincinnati. Remember the long Rogers to fryarmooth play
and then they let the Bengals go down the field and.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
Score it again.

Speaker 12 (01:45:41):
They also did not keep the Seattle game in one
score game in the fourth quarter, latter stages of the
fourth quarter. Remember they hit that long pass, Yeah on
Jalen Ramsey. I think that was Jackson, Smith and Jigma.
But in the Chicago game, they got the ball back
twice for the offense and the offense couldn't finish it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Lamar Jackson is one in six, one and six versus
the Chiefs, two and four versus the Bills, three and
five versus the Steelers, and three and five in the playoffs. Oh,
he's also two time MVP, and he may well win
another one before he's done.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Not this year, Not this year, Not this year. He
looked banged up.

Speaker 19 (01:46:19):
I mean like even on some of the rushing plays,
like you could almost see him Winsie.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
What's he is?

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
He? I thought he moved his ankles all messed up.
I thought that he moved pretty well all things considered.
And Romo was pointing that out to He's.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
Like, oh, I see the explosiveness. He never looks rattled
when the pressure's on. He has a great feel for
the pocket. And they can't bring him down. Yeah, nobody
can bring that. Driving me nuts.

Speaker 19 (01:46:45):
Yesterday her big high Smith all had him, TJ had
him wrapped up at one point. They just couldn't get
him down before he hold on to his legs. Please
fall down, Please fall down. I know he wanted to
roll him there so bad, bite.

Speaker 12 (01:46:56):
Him, but they just disrupted timing, and they disrupted him.
He didn't just drop back and stick on his spot
and throw it when he wanted to throw it where
he wanted to throw it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Well, the big story though, was the officiating, no question
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:12):
So we some calls.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
We asked Jean Sterotur to join us today instead of tomorrow,
since well we knew everyone would want to hear from
Gene and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Abby will have news coming up at the top.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Well, and actually you want because we're going to do
the Power Hour, the Pucker Hour with Rob King.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
At nine o'clock.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
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From the NFL on she USh It's Gene Gene the
Reviewing Jeans Sarahtoor Ladies and Gentlemen. The most sought after
NFL guests in America today, Well in Pittsburgh and Baltimore,
that's for sure. Uh, GEO, quite a game yesterday, and

(01:49:52):
let's just get right into it. The first one I
want to talk about is the Isaiah likely touchdown or
the no touchdown. Okay, you made it clear on the broadcast,
and then afterward, there are three criteria that need to
be met.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
Secure control of the ball. He had that. He had
to have both feet or a body part other than
hands inbounds. He had that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
But you have to have a football move, which means
taking a third step or have tucked the ball in
to maintain control of the ball long enough to look
as if you've made a football move.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
That's where I'm lost on this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:29):
To me, landing in the end zone with the ball
in your hands and taking two steps, I would consider
that a football move.

Speaker 15 (01:50:40):
Yeah, that's listen. The catch itself is a subjective when
it finishes has always been a subjective piece of a
replay ruling like this. So in order for the stakeholders
to put a play like this in the game, they
have to develop frame by frame, line by line, black

(01:51:01):
and white hopefully criteria. And when you have a subjective
element that you can't change to be a black and
white element because of a review.

Speaker 3 (01:51:11):
You're going to.

Speaker 15 (01:51:12):
End up to this definition, and then you're going to
find these plays, which you know I was part of
with Calvin Johnson des Bryant. I think the Jesse James
play fell in that category where there's this element of
subjectivity at one piece of it, and then you've got
to try to make that ruling and hope that that
ruling squares with what our saying. Is one hundred people

(01:51:34):
in the bar, I'll look at it and go, it's
this and we can say, yeah, ninety nine point five
of us agree. But that's where this play goes in
my opinion. Now, when Likely possesses the football, and I
think it's important to say that those elements have to
happen in that one two three sequence. So he does
have to possess the ball first, because if he's bobbling

(01:51:54):
the ball, his feet don't mean anything yet, so the
possession initiates that three step process. Then you have to
get at least two feet down or a body part
which equals two feet and then if he's not going
to the ground, if he's going to the ground, he
has to survive the ground at that point, or if
he makes as likely as scenario is a third step,

(01:52:17):
a full step right after the second step. Now the
next foot is the third step, the play is done
and completed, or if he doesn't have that piece in
it because of des Bryant's play, who had two steps
and then reached for the end zone or reached for
the line to gain or have the ball in this

(01:52:37):
case likely. The uniqueness of this play, in my opinion,
is that when Likely possesses this ball initially, his arms
are fully extended away from him. So he's possessed the
ball with his arms fully extended. And now you start
one foot two feet and he remains with the ball
fully extended, so and he has to keep it there

(01:52:58):
because he doesn't want to tuck it away because Porter
is going to knock the ball out of his hands.
Maybe if he doesn't, you know, keep it away from him.
But there is no real action, then that says, okay,
where's the football move pulling it back to your body,
reaching something or this time element because the third foot
doesn't get down. Just as his third foot goes to

(01:53:19):
hit the ground, the ball does pop out right before
it and it's within three frames and therein lies everything
that's happening, I'm sure for the last fifteen whatever hours, right,
So that's that window. And this play went right to
this edge of no, dude, that's a touchdown. And but
wait a minute, let's go by the principles to break

(01:53:42):
it down. And then, quite honestly, and I've been a
proponent against this in some ways with replay and our
fans and what's good for the game. If we slow
these things down so much to get these little elements done,
then you've extended how long did he really have the football?
It feels like he had the football forever?

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
So it does.

Speaker 15 (01:54:03):
That's where this all that's where this all lies, and
that's what's going to create this buzz forever, regardless of
how you start to massage this play or how we're
going to review the play. And that's really the gist
of that. And at the end, what everybody is going
to talk about forever here is I thought he had

(01:54:24):
the foot, you know, Joe says. I think he had
the football long enough. Whether he made it's going to
overt act physically with the ball or as irrelevant. I
thought he had it long enough. And those on the
other end will say he doesn't, right. I mean, so
that's really the essence of this type of play. I
think we all have to be careful as we enhance technology,

(01:54:44):
as communication above down below is getting increased. Because of
all these new good, shiny objects that hopefully are helping,
we've got to make sure that some of this stuff
doesn't end up at the end of the day and
we say, look, yes, it's great new technology, but is
it good for the game? And I think that's a

(01:55:05):
bigger question. But really that's really how I broke the
play down in real time within these seconds, and and
naturally after listening to everybody in the United States with
their own opinion here in the last ten hours. You know,
that's kind of just where you've got to fall at
the end of the day with the play. And that's
that's really I think where we are.

Speaker 12 (01:55:24):
Jeane speaking of people who had opinions the Aaron Rodgers
catch of the ball that got batted back, John Harbass
said you have to survive the ground. He didn't survive
the ground. Is he correct or incorrect on that?

Speaker 15 (01:55:42):
Well, that's a really there's so many hard plays in
that game. That play was that play is that I
never saw anything like this play. I think the fact
that Rogers, I think he has some some point. I
really would love to dive in a little further with
those plays in that play specifically, for some other definitions,

(01:56:03):
going to.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
The ground usually.

Speaker 15 (01:56:05):
Means that you possess the football or does mean you
possessed the football while you're upright or airborne, and you
never gain control of your body as you're going to
the grounds, you're stumbling falling. Right after you possess a
football airborne, then you have to survive the ground because
these other steps and all the other elements I just
gave you are pretty much based on a person who

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is upright when they come back to the ground if
they're airborne and possessing it. In Rogers's play, it's if
he's possessing that football and his knee is already on
the ground, he has met a lot of elements and
truthfully being touched by a defensive player as well. So
is he going to the ground or is he already
on the ground when he's possessing the football. And if

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he's already on the ground now and it's clear completed
possession and then gets hit, he really does it's not
going to the ground. Now he was there whenever the
possession took place, and then the contact, the stripping of
the ball or whatever that action would happen at the after.
That is really that another piece of this subjective stuff

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that causes people to you know, not like officials for
trying to apply rules that are being written that they're
trying to make sure they get right. So it's in
that window as well.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
And I thought that.

Speaker 15 (01:57:18):
One was really close because there's not a lot of
time elements there either, right, So is it just immediately dead,
immediately upon his possession with his knee down, little windows
of further discussion, I think on that play quite honestly.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Yeah, See, that's the question I have because to me,
just because he's down, you know, I was asking Mike,
does the tie go to the runner? Which is to say,
at that point the person who's down, If there are
two people who are in the act of trying to
possess it, but one of them is down, does it
automatically go to that person?

Speaker 15 (01:57:49):
Offense? Winds All tis just like baseball, right, buying a
first base glove ball and glove put on base. Tie
goes to the runner.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
So he's down and and equally fighting for the ball
with the defender who is not and therefore he has
the possession and he's down, and so so that that
was yes, you know, I got I get what you're saying.
Even if he is down, offense wins that one.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
That's right, okay, because that was my question.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
It seemed like he was still fighting for the ball
when he was down and there was not a definitive
possession on either side on that point, I thought he
had it and then went down. That's just personal interpretation.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
So you you you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Explain both of those to us, so we get that
those were actually both properly called.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
Right expert calls. Great job, great.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
Job, just happened to benefit the Steelers and that and
that's that's okay. You know, sometimes don't fold under pressure
and are able to go into a tough enviire that
you execute as they are trained to do. Yes, God
bless the NFL officials.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Sometimes good things happened to good people. Yes, that's right,
and this is what happens, and you have it.

Speaker 15 (01:59:04):
This is what happens.

Speaker 25 (01:59:05):
Did you have an interviewer do an interview in the
Pittsburgh area and that travels to hundred foul southeast of
Pittsburgh and get on another radio pho and then listen
to someone else.

Speaker 15 (01:59:15):
So, yes, to start the morning off in a positive
way to some extent, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
Well, now let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
It does seem like they screwed up the personal foul
on the field goal. Yes, on the Christian Kount's unnecessary roughness.
What is the actual rule supposed to be there? You're
not allowed to make contact with head and neck or
any contact.

Speaker 15 (01:59:41):
I agree with you. I think they missed that too,
and I think I did verbalize that on air. First
and foremost, the center is a defenseless player by his definition,
so it puts him in the same category as a
receiver who's running a crossing route right the quarterback. We
know the people that are defenseless because we're learning all
of those things. So because his head is down snapping

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like that, is vulnerable, is not any position immediately to
be able to defend himself, so he receives defenseless player protections.
That's why they move the noseguard or any defensive player
is not allowed to be lined up prior to the
snap within the frame of the entire center's body. As
wide as he may be. That's why you see de

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tackles right in the A gap, not shading over top
of the center. You'll see referees push or trying to
nudge them away a little to make them illegal. So
right when that occurs and the snap occurs, now the
defensive player at the snap can't be lined up outside
of the center's frame. And then as soon as the
ball gets snapped with the center's head in most cases
still down and not able to defend himself, you can't

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go from the A gap or over the guard and
immediately take a hard left or right and then blast
the center in the headneck area because his head's down.
So yes, because he's defenseless, he don't want to have
contacted worse to the head neck area while he's defenseless,
which is kind of that breadth of a second or
so until he can get his head up, get in

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a blocking posture and defend himself. In this case, I
thought that Pittsburgh went into the A gap. I also
felt like they're an initial contact with both of the
D tackles in that case, and I was looking at
both of the ninety numbers. Was with the guard first
and then in the A gap he really never they

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never really did contact the headneck area. And now even
if it's not headneck area, if it's violent enough and
you go into him and blast him, trample him, foul.
But those two players, to me rush the A gap
as they're taught to do. There was some incidental contact
with the censer, but nothing that would have risen to
the level of contacted defensive player.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
The argument it has to be head or neck is incorrect.

Speaker 15 (02:01:55):
I think it probably falls in that same category. Might yeah,
because if it's a medium head and neck it's immediately
a foul. But just as in other plays, even if
I don't hit you in the head and neck area,
it's a punter that punted the football and both of
his feet came down, so he's really not getting protection
like a punter would because he's defenseless airborne with his

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plant leg down. If the contact is severe enough, I'm
still calling unnecessary roughness on the contact, So there's still
a degree of contact. That plays may be a different
foul by its definition, but still would be a foul.
And I didn't think either of those pieces had really
taken place with that contact. That was a big.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
Play well that was a four point run run.

Speaker 1 (02:02:36):
So you know what, as a gesture of good faith,
I'm willing to give the Ravens those four points back.

Speaker 3 (02:02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Wait no, wait, no wait, I'm not I'm not. I'm
not willing to give it back. Yeah, never mind three
twenty two.

Speaker 12 (02:02:54):
Yeah, but Harbul was adamant about it has to be
head or next.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
So he's wrong again. Well but I no.

Speaker 15 (02:03:02):
He's not wrong, you know, don't. I wouldn't. Let's not
go I wouldn't go there. No, I would not say
that because if he was again, when coach Robas saying
what he's saying at this point, he's more than likely
saying something either based on his interpretation of the player
or maybe what was said to him on the field.
So that may be what they did call. We don't

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know that, you know, I don't. You don't want to
stamp that, you know what I mean? You don't know
looking take it? You know how you pull that like
one side of your head set off and you give
you that confused look like you used to hate when
you were a kid, when your parents would look at
you like tell me what you guys did again? You know.
Whenever someone responded to him at that point. You don't
know where that was, so you know, I think he's

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let's put it this way. Regardless, you would have dissect
how he said, whether it's a foul or not, or
if he was wrong. He wasn't wrong in my opinion
because it wasn't a foul.

Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
So however it wasn't a foul.

Speaker 15 (02:03:59):
He's right, That's where i'd go, Right, that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
Makes a lost sense.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Jeans territory and Bronzie by Schneider downs this wanting explaining
how the officials did not screw the Ravens.

Speaker 12 (02:04:09):
And you know, just as an aside, you mentioned your
history with such things. How glad were you to be
just breaking it down on CBS and not actually on
the field wearing the white hat, speaking to that massive
humanity over your little mic.

Speaker 25 (02:04:25):
I could tell you, man, I wish I could tell
you that it's almost.

Speaker 15 (02:04:30):
Harder in this space. At times. I felt like, you know,
at least when I was on the field. And I
started it with Calvin Johnson's catch, which was ironically Mike
Pereira's first game ever as a.

Speaker 3 (02:04:41):
Rules in Oh Wow.

Speaker 15 (02:04:41):
For the NFL's attempt that was the first game opening
day in Chicago with the Lions and the first time
that a network really had a rules analyst on it.
UH And five years went by and we ended up
and saw each other the morning before the Dallas s
Green Bay game and one of the two hotels that
are available in.

Speaker 25 (02:05:00):
Bay they tumbled in the morning having coffee and looked
at each other with drowing coffee at five thirty or
six in the morning and said, Hey, great to see you.

Speaker 15 (02:05:08):
I haven't seen you for five years. Let's not have
a Calvin Johnson situation today, laughing, And.

Speaker 3 (02:05:13):
It was Des Bryant.

Speaker 15 (02:05:14):
And then the Jile irony as my journey went was
that Super Bowl fifty two, which was my last game.
There were two touchdowns in that game that of Philadelphia
ended up and got after review that were both catch plays,
and that was Clement in the back of the end
zone whether the ball was moving enough to not have
control while he was while he was toe tapping on

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the back of the end zone. And then the zach
Ertz play, which really wasn't fully the Jesse James play,
but was really close. And I was Mike at the
Super Bowl, and I can tell you that at some
point before the Lord takes me off of this earth.
I would love to hear the playback of the audio
that I set out loud on the field in Super
Bowl fifty two when I realized that I was getting

(02:05:58):
buzzed for another cat that was going to just Super
Bowl fifty two. I kind of do remember what I said.
I just don't know if it's really ready for television,
But the catch has followed me for two decades here
and in yesterday's those are hard plays and listen in
this position. Yeah, I have opinions, but and no, I'm

(02:06:21):
never going to get everything right. I never got one
hundred and ten percent of every rules tested every clinic
in the NFL. But you do understand the magnitude of
what you're going to say because this is your role.
And you know I say I'm an officiating analyst and
not a rules analyst, because I'm not just that classroom
person I hope. But when you start to speak about
plays like this to the country and hopefully maintain the

(02:06:43):
credibility that you hope you've attained, it's almost more difficult
in this space because you know you are now putting
out look. No one believes the NCAA when they make
a statement from the home office about a play two
days later. No one will believe the NFL when they
make a statement two days later to do a poll report,
because we all have this weird thing like we don't

(02:07:05):
listen to the authorities or a conspiracy who would listen
to them. But when people in these positions make statements
like that, not that you're ever going to be liked,
because I've gotten more hate emails this morning as if
I rought the game that I did when I was
on the field. You know, you do know that. It's like,
you know, I'm going to listen to this guy now

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because he's actually not the NFL right quote unquote, at
least the ones that don't want to put you in
that box. So there's a ton of pressure when you
do this and you don't you're not The job can't
be to match what you think the NFL is doing.
You have to voice your opinion a lot of times,
and then truthfully, then you have to do what we're
doing right now, Look, these are the rules. We didn't

(02:07:46):
write the rules. Now, please try to explain this to
me so I can digest this and still like you
at the end of the conversation and not think you know,
you're this person that's trying to ruin this game I love.
So there's a ton of pressure with the one, but
a little less baby, because I was sitting in a
chair and you know, running for three and a half
hours and twenty two degree weather yesterday either So, but

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a lot of anxiety with some of this stuff, which
is why I do it. I mean, let's be honest,
you're the best at things like this.

Speaker 3 (02:08:16):
You're the best. Jean h We gotta go.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
But I do think it was smart of Alex More
to pretend his microphone was busted on that one.

Speaker 15 (02:08:21):
That was the young rookie has learned a little from me.

Speaker 3 (02:08:26):
Just tap on that mic.

Speaker 15 (02:08:27):
Look at that guy on the sadline who's got the
batteries and the leet like, we're never gonna miss it.
And then you say after preak pedal.

Speaker 25 (02:08:37):
And then you hit your mic and you're like, Yo,
this thing isn't working.

Speaker 15 (02:08:42):
What's going on with you?

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
People like are you kidding me?

Speaker 25 (02:08:46):
And that poor person on the sideline's going to get
fired because he didn't change the nine bolt batteries after
the third quarter time off.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
Yeah, you gotta do it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Part of the game boys Jean's staring turned Roger Weischinder
downs on BBDY. You know, business challenges are the ones
you don't even know you have. Schneider downs helps clients
solve those challenges. Snapped in Lamar Jackson rush coming from
the backside, He's.

Speaker 3 (02:09:14):
Hit your take it down.

Speaker 2 (02:09:15):
It's Heismith with the sack back at the thirty eight
yard line, and that will do it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
The Steelers come to m and T Bank Stadium and
win twenty seven to twenty two, and they are back
in first place by themselves in the AFC. Nor the
author of that play call here on the Steelers Audio
Network on the flagship TVE. Joining us now Rob King
for a power hour of Steeler Talk. This first half

(02:09:43):
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Pittsburgh Steelers and Kinger. Who what a classic Baltimore Pittsburgh
matchup that was yesterday. It had all of the elements
that we've become a customer in this one. It ain't
over till it's over. It goes down to the last play.

(02:10:04):
There's always a controversial play in there somewhere. Mark Andrews
screws up on fourth down, but yeah, he didn't know
he screwed up. I don't think, you know, because he
had DeAndre Hopkins just sitting there behind him for a touchdown,
but you know, looked like it was thrown to him.
I mean, Lamar's gonna put a little more air on
that baby probably gets there, although Joey Porter was closing.

Speaker 3 (02:10:26):
But still yeah, but Harbaugh being.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Pissed and Tomlin walking off the field of Victor in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (02:10:31):
I love to see all of that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
What I really liked about it it was a response to,
as we keep categorizing it, a very tumultuous week in
Pittsburgh for Mike Tomlin and the defense especially, and the offense,
I mean really just.

Speaker 3 (02:10:47):
The whole team, and all three of those.

Speaker 1 (02:10:51):
Things seemed to bounce back nicely against their division rivalry,
rivalry rival in Baltimore. The defense seemed really well coached up,
offense took shots right away, and you know, I disagree
with the way that Tomlin ran the fourth quarter. I
would have liked to see them be a little more
aggressive there, but you can't argue with the final product,

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right They won, and you know, the the Uh. The
fact is that they had four games that were similar
to this one coming out of the half, Seattle, Green Bay, Buffalo, Chicago, in.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Which they had the lead and had the ball. And
think about that. There's seven and six right now.

Speaker 1 (02:11:33):
And you know, I'm throwing out the game against Cincinnati
in which you got a late lead. You got the
lead with two and a half minutes. If you had
the lead finally in that game, aren't you supposed to
win a couple of those games?

Speaker 3 (02:11:44):
That's that's how you draw it up. Hey, let's have
the lead.

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
They get the ball first, but we had the lead
at halftime, and then we get the ball to begin
the second half.

Speaker 3 (02:11:53):
That's that's what you want as a team and as
a coach.

Speaker 1 (02:11:56):
Shouldn't you win a couple of those games? Chicago? Green Bay?
Green Bay were up by nine. Well, that's another thing
I liked about yesterday is winning the coin toss, deferring
and then knowing that the onus is on you to
come out better than you have been so far this year.

Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
And they scored twice in the third quarter. Yeah, yeah,
So that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
And you know, one of the things that I was
wondering about this week and talking of with Max on
our radio show, is that is it possible because neither
team both teams had had shown elements right of being good,
but neither team had consistently displayed those elements. Like there's
been times in which the students threw the ball over
the field. There's times in which they've ran the ball

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over the field. There's times in which they've stopped the run,
there's times in which they've been run upon. They hasn't
felt complete. The statistics are very very strange, or at
the bottom of the league in some categories, the top
of the league and the others. It's not like this
was a six and sixteen that was mediocre against the run,
mediocre against the path, mediocre throwing the ball.

Speaker 3 (02:13:01):
No, they were.

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
They were elite in some categories and at the bottom.
It's it's it's been a mystifying season. So to be
able to come out and do that and maybe use
that as a little bit of a spark to to
play more consistently down the stretch. I mean, you tell
me who the super team is in the AFC, I
have no idea. Or the NFL Broncos maybe one ten

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in a row, yeah, Or the Patriots. The team and
Steers went up to Foxborough beat right thanks to five turnovers, right,
but you still beat him, right?

Speaker 3 (02:13:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (02:13:34):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
So one thing.

Speaker 1 (02:13:35):
We've not talked a lot about today was the attrition
of this one O three concussions, right, Yeah, Eckles was
checked out for one, and you really saw what the
scope of the offense is when Darnell Washington went out,
and what it is without him seems much more narrow.
Really had a hard time running the ball without mount

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Washam yeah in there. Yeah, and they tried it'spener and
seemed to be out there a lot. I haven't seen
the snap counts yet, but he was, you know, trying
to get the running game going, you know, it was
I thought. One of the other things about this game
was that, you know, Aaron Rodgers has been criticized and
there was an article written about how you know after

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this loss against Buffalo when, of course the team is
that it's natter.

Speaker 15 (02:14:21):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
I hope we can say that if it wasn't the
Chargers game, and you know, he's old that he doesn't
have it anymore. And I'm thinking, I'm reading that article,
I'm like, Okay, I understand what you're saying in the
last couple of games he hasn't been as sharp, and
of course against Buffalo, he's playing with the fractured wrist,
but he hasn't looked as sharp. But there there have
been moments this year where he's looked phenomenal. I mean

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phenomena that he looked phenomenal yesterday. I thought he played great,
even in the fourth quarter, but I mean having a
duck it underneath a Mike Green sack, alling out and
throwing one that that that I thought Calvin caught, and
I think that was the play where Alvin h called
and that was you know, look, they they didn't have

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the right personnel out there to snap the ball quickly
and had that annoyed Aaron Rightley, so right, just the
fact that he played the way he did, the fact
that I think on the air I called it a bootleg,
but it really wasn't his touchdown run. He went back
and he just looked and there was nobody in the
left e R John who fell down. Yeah okay, so yeah,
John fell down and he was just looked and took off,

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took off and ran I thought he looked more agile
yesterday than he has in the last three weeks, like
I think that the criticism of him was fair. In
the last few weeks, I thought he was hearing the
footsteps a lot, he was getting rid of the ball,
and he was stepping up into the pocket and kind
of getting a little nervous. Things that we expect that
he can handle. It seemed like all the sudden he

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was at times trying to do too much allow Russell
Wilson an other times scared that he was about to
get crushed, and he felt it looked like he felt
much more comfortable yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:15:55):
And I'm wondering how much.

Speaker 1 (02:15:57):
Of that had to do with having an MVS and
Adam feeling in they're running round and drawn some attention
away from guys. I don't know, I don't. I don't
know if that was a factory. I don't think either.
Neither one of them had a catch, did they didn't
matter feeling had NVS had one or one target make
the catch?

Speaker 15 (02:16:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
Yeah, was it who had to catch Fling had one catch?

Speaker 3 (02:16:18):
I think something I don't I don't, I don't remember,
but I think he.

Speaker 1 (02:16:22):
Was feeling his oats a little bit, knowing he could
get the ball to DK.

Speaker 19 (02:16:25):
I thought it was because I watched something on ESPN
that were Hasselbeck was saying that the Ravens did not
bring pressure. So I don't know if they were dropping
back into coverage and hoping that that that we can
cover these receivers and we're gonna make picks or.

Speaker 3 (02:16:36):
Anything like that.

Speaker 19 (02:16:37):
I think some of the reasons that the that the
offensive line and pass protection looked so good is because
they weren't.

Speaker 1 (02:16:41):
I don't think they were blitzing a lot. They weren't
bringing up the heat. Well, they certainly weren't at full strength.
I mean with Proderck Jones being on the I R
and then you had lose and Pete to uh Dylan
Cook who.

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
You know, with a little bit of help didn't do
so bad, but he did. He only took one hit
yesterday and didn't get sacked.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Right, Yeah, you wonder why Harba didn't dial up a
little bit more pressure there. So to me, I mean,
if you're looking like I remember talking to people after
the Cincinnati game, because I was talking to people in
Cincinnati wondering why there weren't remember the Steelers going to
that game four and one before the game, was like,
why aren't more people picking the Steelers to be better
because I thought they were going to be a better

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team than they were a year ago. I thought they
were ten and seven a year ago. Thought they'd upgraded
a quarterback. You had three draft choices last year who
basically didn't play, including your first round pick. Another draft
class you traded for DK Metcalf, you trade for Jalen Ramsey.
I thought, Okay, this team should be better. And I
think some of the perception was, well, where's Aaron Rodgers?

(02:17:41):
And then after the game in Cincinnati, I thought, how
could anybody? I mean, he he looked phenomenal against Cincinnati, phenomenal.
And then there's been some ups and downs. I thought,
my biggest takeaway from yesterday one of them. I guess,
you know, winning the game is number one. I just
thought he looked great. I just thought, if you have
faith that the Steelers can do something in the into playoffs,
that's what It's the most important position in sports.

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
And he looked I just thought he looked great, absolutely great.

Speaker 1 (02:18:06):
The only times he didn't is when he was under dress,
which I mean, look, you know by that barometer, Lamar
was garbage when they were getting to him.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
You know, he escaped a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (02:18:17):
They could not bring Lamar Jackson down much as they tried,
but it really disrupted the offense nineteen to thirty five
for him.

Speaker 3 (02:18:26):
But I agree with you on Rogers.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
It looked like he was one week more healed with
that risk too, And I know that he said he
called an audible the day before and went rogue and
had them recast it with a softer cast so he
was able to go under center more often. Although he's
got you know, he's got a tremendous pain tolerance, like
you know that dude.

Speaker 3 (02:18:47):
He's he's tough.

Speaker 1 (02:18:48):
You know, he's not only not only gifted, not only
in his prime. That the best throw over of football
I've ever seen in my life. And by the way,
you know, when you think about like the throw at
the end of the Cincinnati game, like traveled seventy yards
in the air. He made it throw to Pat Fryarmouth
which Pat didn't catch against Seattle.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
Oh yeah, that's the best throw I've.

Speaker 1 (02:19:07):
Seen all year by any by any quarterback off the
right side where he just, oh my goodness, rolling right
and dropping it in a bucket sixty yards downfield. He
fell down when he threw it because he had to
put everything behind it and had to have it land.
It was right on target with Pat Pat. A guy
like that put Pat.

Speaker 3 (02:19:24):
In the doghouse and he never got out of it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
I don't know if I don't know if that was
the case, but I my point on Rogers is the
arm talent is still significant and there's still a lot
of athleticism there.

Speaker 15 (02:19:36):
It was.

Speaker 1 (02:19:37):
It didn't look like it against the Chargers, and it
didn't look like it against the Bills, but it looked
It's looked like it, and it didn't look like it
against the Jets. After the game today, my back was
kind of bothered me. But it's looked like it in
other in other games, and it certainly looked like yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:19:51):
No question.

Speaker 1 (02:19:52):
Steelers with a twenty seven to twenty two victory over
the Ravens in Baltimore. They set it top the AFC
North Now and uh, the questions about Mike Tomlin's tenure here,
I think quiet down for a while, much to the
chagrin of those who were hoping that this was finally
the right amount of town on a rail moment. Doesn't
look like that's going to be the case. Is Tomlin

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blows a kiss to the camera on his way off
the field, which had to piss off Ravens fans even more.
If there's nothing else to glean from this, Jeff, it's
that we as Steeler fans to just enjoy how much
this pisses off Ravens fans.

Speaker 19 (02:20:25):
Yes, just be quiet and enjoy the tears of those
who you hate.

Speaker 3 (02:20:30):
Yes, that's really the lesson here. That's the holiday spirit. Yes,
that's the holiday spirit.

Speaker 1 (02:20:35):
And you know, the Ravens and I believe the Bills
both had ten days rest before the Steelers, and Matt Williamson,
who is so great on stats like that, just it
is an enormous advantage, enormous advantage for the team of
the extra rest.

Speaker 3 (02:20:50):
Yeah, so what we could.

Speaker 19 (02:20:51):
Use a bye week? Yeah, another bye week. With all
the people we have out.

Speaker 1 (02:20:55):
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Me and Kingger were, you know, in a very intense
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Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
And we were talking about Stevie rayvaugh What were you
talking about?

Speaker 5 (02:22:17):
We were talking about concerts as well. But we were
talking about concert t shirts and we.

Speaker 19 (02:22:21):
Were basically saying, have you ever seen a band that
then that opened for someone that then became something of note.

Speaker 3 (02:22:27):
I saw bon Jovie open for Rat and nobody knew
who Bunjo.

Speaker 6 (02:22:31):
Really, that's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
I just saw them the story about Stevie Rayvon are
opening for the band. Yeah.

Speaker 15 (02:22:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:22:35):
And as far as a concert T shirt, I saw
The Grateful Dead in uh in Kansas way back in
the day and I had it. It was the song
loose Lucy. Yeah it was. I'm so bummed I don't
have this T shirt. It was Lucy and Woodstock and
everybody dancing on the front of it, and of course
the contentates in the back and in the bottom it
said thank.

Speaker 3 (02:22:55):
You for real good And I wish that was like
I have an old Ocean Pace T shirt. I haven't
thrown it away, you know, but that I wish I
had that T shirt. Man, I really wish I had
a T shirt.

Speaker 1 (02:23:07):
Well, Mike Isaiah likely was loose loosey with Tuck yesterday
and couldn't bring the ball in And that's not a
football movie.

Speaker 3 (02:23:14):
Yeah, he loves dropping the ball in the end. Ze
what sway, that was a great segue. I agree that. Well,
I did one thing right today. I've been able to
talk for three and a half hours.

Speaker 12 (02:23:27):
Sports Star brought to you by Bridgeville Plants. I thought
Jane was outstanding as he was yesterday. That what he does,
how quickly he has to turn around watching multiple games
at once and getting about thirty seconds. Yeah, they tell hey,
we need your opinion on this, and then he has
to just come on and make it make sense, and

(02:23:47):
I think he did. Two calls were correct, one was incorrect.

Speaker 1 (02:23:51):
It does always impress me how quickly he can apply
the rule to the judgment on the field and determine
in that quick amount of time because they don't have
a lot of space for him to extemporize. And he
bank bank Bank, Bank, Bank tells you why, Here's why
I think they got it right. Here's why I think
they got it wrong because this is the rule and
that didn't meet the measure of being a foul.

Speaker 19 (02:24:13):
And to dumb it down for the frothing unwashed masses
is also a critical part of his credibility.

Speaker 3 (02:24:20):
Uses many of us.

Speaker 12 (02:24:22):
Just don't want to hear it. Now they have their
opinion and that's that, and you know a lot of
stuff went according to plan in that Steelers twenty seven
to twenty two victory over the Ravens yesterday. Yeah, the
calls were critical, they always are, but uh what some
of the things we had emphasized going into the game.
Number one was they got to get back to taking

(02:24:42):
one on one shots.

Speaker 3 (02:24:43):
Down the field. They did that right away.

Speaker 12 (02:24:45):
Check and if you've got Roger now, obviously if he's
under center, he wasn't under center a ton and it
didn't run the ball well when he was under center anyway,
so it didn't impact the game that way.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
But clearly that tells you he's feeling a lot. By
the way, was that truly a single coverage shot there?
Because it looked like he had twelve's trying to do
the double team it's a singles job. Yeah, okay, you know, uh,
he's not good at it.

Speaker 12 (02:25:06):
They Baltimore made such a big deal out of when
they traded for a Lohi Gilman. Uh that allowed them
to move Kyle Hamilton down into the box and play
different positions and be more impactful. But you take the
guy out of center field who's a good center fielder,
now you don't have a good center fielder or a
good half center fielder if they're in cover two. So

(02:25:28):
that's where you got it right. They're they're they're clearly
moving Hamilton because they want him to do a So
you attack the guy who's doing b And did you
hear Kyle Hamilton's name called yesterday?

Speaker 3 (02:25:39):
I did not.

Speaker 12 (02:25:40):
And he's a great player, he is their best defender.
They stayed away from him. Sometimes that's how you avoid turnovers.
Don't give the guy who's really good a chance.

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
To make a turnover.

Speaker 12 (02:25:51):
Okay, that's planning, that's coaching, that's game plan number two.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
They had to win the turnover battle. Usually that's the case.

Speaker 12 (02:25:58):
With the Steelers statistic in any matchup, but in this one,
Baltimore came in at minus floor Pittsburgh came in at
plus eight. So the trends there are Steelers should win
the turnover battle.

Speaker 3 (02:26:10):
In this game.

Speaker 12 (02:26:11):
They only got one, but it's set up a thirty
six yard short field touchdown.

Speaker 1 (02:26:15):
Drive back the pass looking steps up in the pocket,
moving to the right, trying to get to the edge,
and it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
Loft outfield one hited pickoff by James Pierre and Pierre
down the left sideline, out of bounds at the thirty
five yard line, leaping one handed interception by James Pierre.

Speaker 3 (02:26:31):
If the hell was Lamar doing on that one?

Speaker 12 (02:26:33):
What was he doing on that one? That was a
horrifically bad play.

Speaker 1 (02:26:38):
He's good for one of those games he had. He
was open, his receiver was open. Oh he was a
bad room. But he just doesn't have that burst right now.
He's had all these leg injuries this year. It's not
the same. He doesn't seem to the last several weeks.
It doesn't seem to have that same burst. The other
critical element or another critical element.

Speaker 12 (02:26:58):
Red zone, which would always anyway, right, Baltimore came in
thirtieth in red zone offense.

Speaker 3 (02:27:05):
Pittsburgh was tenth in red zone defense.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
So that's a match Okay, Steelers got to win this
this part of the game within the game, and Baltimore
goes two for six in the red zone, Well that
was just huge and you won by five. Yeah, I
mean the other way, it was a good matchup for six.
Holy cow, Steelers were fifth in red zone offense.

Speaker 12 (02:27:25):
They suck unless they get close to the goal line,
and they're pretty good. Baltimore was sixth in red zone defense,
So you.

Speaker 3 (02:27:30):
Got to push that one, right.

Speaker 1 (02:27:31):
It's basically Mikemlin loves the ben, but don't break Mike.

Speaker 12 (02:27:35):
They went two for four offensively in the red zone,
so that's good enough. They pushed it. That part didn't
decide it. The defensive part of the red zone helped
decide it. And then the pass rush element, the pass
rush component of associated with playing a football. Baltimore had
given up fifteen more sacks than it had recorded going

(02:27:57):
into that game. The Steelers had registered twelve more sacks
then they gave up. So again, this is part of
the game. Pittsburgh should win. Two sacks for the Steelers,
none for the Ravens. All this stuff adds up. So
that's how you survived two hundred and seventeen rushing yards,
which you knew going in that was an advantage that
clearly favored the run.

Speaker 3 (02:28:16):
We were two for four in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (02:28:18):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember the two times that we
what happened when we didn't field goals?

Speaker 3 (02:28:23):
Two field goals? Okay, both of them, Boz.

Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
So let me ask you this Kinger yesterday, the defensive effort,
didn't it look like they were better at stopping the
run even though they gave up two hundred and thirty
yards actually or two hundred and twenty yards. So two things
did back up, and Mike said, the last nine times
the Steelers have won the turnover battle, they've won the game.
So sorry, let me see it again. Last nine times

(02:28:50):
the Steelers have not turned the ball over, they won
the game. So we always we always think about this
Steelers in terms of getting turnovers. Like we were talking
during one of the breaks about the five or maybe
it was the last segment five turnovers you created in
New England and how you win the game. Well, if
the other part of the turnover culture is not turning
it over, right, it's not just getting turnovers, it's not

(02:29:10):
turning it over. Last nine times they haven't turned them
all over, they won the game. That doesn't mean you
should just kneel down three times and punted away, by
the way.

Speaker 3 (02:29:18):
It doesn't.

Speaker 12 (02:29:19):
But there are times when you put the ball at
risk and there are times when you do not. And hey,
I would have played that last series differently. When you're
on the eight yard line, I would have thrown based
on what the defense was showing and the success they
had had through the game, but.

Speaker 3 (02:29:35):
They got scared straight from the Aaron Rodgers almost intercense.
I think that's what happened.

Speaker 12 (02:29:39):
But he played it according to the percentages, you know,
playing a percentage. I don't know if that's living in
your fears. Sometimes being smart is being smart, and they
got away with it. So it was the right decision.
If the Ravens had gone down and scored, then it
would have been a stupid decision because they would have lost.
But they didn't go out and score. They won the game,
so it was the right decision.

Speaker 3 (02:30:00):
Nice game for Corless Weightman too, by the way, bounce
back game. He had a couple of.

Speaker 1 (02:30:03):
Badmines and they needed them. And to your point, I
mean they held them. They held uh Derrek Henry to
eleven carries for thirty four yards. That's what made it
feel like they played the run in the first half.
In the first half, it made it feel like they
were playing to run better than of course the long run.

Speaker 3 (02:30:21):
But those two count just like your long passes count.
Long run out.

Speaker 12 (02:30:25):
But they didn't let the Ravens dictate with the run,
and it didn't affect the way they called their defense.
Whereas the Buffalo game. It was pretty appaired. Even in
the first half. They were running the ball, right, Like,
did anybody feel good? Was it seven to three?

Speaker 3 (02:30:38):
Or yes?

Speaker 12 (02:30:38):
It was seven seven six? Did anybody feel great about that?

Speaker 3 (02:30:42):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:30:42):
So I mentioned all those games that the Steelers had
led at halftime and got the ball to begin the
second half. That was one of them. Of those four games,
that was the one that felt the worst. There was
actually five of.

Speaker 3 (02:30:51):
Them that they that they led, led.

Speaker 1 (02:30:54):
In the second going on to the second half and
got got the ball first and lost the game.

Speaker 3 (02:30:58):
Seattle knowing oh and lost the game, lost the game,
lost the game. There was four. Yeah, that's what four
going in And then yesterday New England they also screwed
it up.

Speaker 1 (02:31:05):
But they won the game, right, yeah, so so right,
but they won the game. I'm talking about the losses.
They could have been victories, but Buffalo. Of those games,
Buffalo felt the least likely to win.

Speaker 3 (02:31:15):
All right, Did you pull a call from the post
game for us? Did Max from Houston? We'll do that next,
tried to Suck the Joy out of life.

Speaker 1 (02:31:23):
Two power hour of Steeler Talk with Rob King, Voice
of the Steelers here on your radio, Home of the
black and Gold one a two point five DVE on
a two point five DVE rob king with us for
a power hour of Steeler talk. Pretty interesting that DK
metcalf took a rep on that last punt. Corlis Weightman

(02:31:45):
thankfully gets off just a bomb, which they needed from
him there and he's been due for that.

Speaker 3 (02:31:53):
But DK went in because he thoughts Chronic's finger was
messed up. Was it Schronic or Ecles?

Speaker 1 (02:31:58):
Well, it was Schronic and then Scronic said I'm not
not taking this rep, and he kicked Echos.

Speaker 3 (02:32:03):
Off and so the two of them go down. DK
draws two guys.

Speaker 1 (02:32:08):
That play results in a holding call that backs them
up ten yards, which really put the Ravens behind a ball,
and then they take I think the illegal formation penalty
immediately backs them up again. They're first and twenty. That
kind of was the uh you know, the writing on
the wall. Yeah, they still almost pulled it off, but
it wasn't reading any writing on the wall then, but

(02:32:29):
it helped. Well, the point I wanted to make is
this is like the polar opposite of what I thought
this team was doing the week before, weeks before, which
is like they weren't buying into the team game plan.

Speaker 3 (02:32:44):
It didn't seem like and there was not like a
unity that we're used to seeing.

Speaker 1 (02:32:48):
And we kept hearing that the locker room was a
bunch of single guys. It's like backstage at an Eagles.

Speaker 3 (02:32:54):
Concerts, you know, exparate dressing the exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:32:57):
But when DK metcalf Is going in and covering punts
and scronic. Also his effort on that one play, I
don't know if you guys saw that where he just
got double team and knocked out a bounce and kept fighting,
kept running back to people. He got knocked down a
bunch of times, and he kept getting back up and
trying to cover the punt. I mean, Danny Smith really
had those guys dialed in. Yesterday, well, I think the

(02:33:18):
whole team was styled. And I mean Queen, Eccles and
Betton all came back from injury.

Speaker 3 (02:33:23):
And Queen's injury looked like he was gonna need a wheelchair.
And imagine they didn't have Betton Harmon.

Speaker 1 (02:33:30):
Yeah, oh why he Black made a big play when
he was in for him.

Speaker 3 (02:33:34):
He almost brought down Lamar.

Speaker 1 (02:33:37):
That guy, whoever that right guard is, that guy got
crushed yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:33:41):
I believe that was the great Daniel. Yeah, I think
him and Lamar had some words. He's like Jojo the Whale.

Speaker 12 (02:33:50):
Yeah, you don't walk with Daniel, you walk among him.
So he's a mass I think he's pushing four bills Kinger.

Speaker 1 (02:33:57):
Back in the day, you did the postgame show, Yes
a network. Mike is currently at the Helm there and
I was asked Mike to pull one call out from
the post game because I like to just to know
the tenor of Steeler nationsgeist, Like, what are you guys feeling?
Because to me, I was elited. I was just so
glad we beat the Ravens. I don't can buy hook
or by Crook. I don't care. Let's get the w

(02:34:20):
and uh. This is from that postgame show with Charlie
Batch that Mike Pursuer runs.

Speaker 3 (02:34:26):
Max in Houston. You're up next with Mike and Charlie.

Speaker 26 (02:34:30):
Hey, guys, I'm going to agree with that guy. Just
from Boswell, Pa there, I was calling to put a cold,
wet bucket of ice in the blanket on all this diddiness,
the Stiller defense if you realize the play.

Speaker 15 (02:34:46):
Look at this game was not good.

Speaker 26 (02:34:50):
During the week, I heard some national announcement referred to
it as the silk curtain no longer than the still curtain,
and I have to agree. First drive, they went right
down the field, but we did hold him to a
field goals after we took the lead when Boswell picked
it short.

Speaker 15 (02:35:08):
But the penalty we.

Speaker 26 (02:35:09):
Gave him at the ball to forty end of a half,
it was very important. At the end of the half,
they went down and scored a touchdown. The second half,
the defense never really stopped them. It was that one
controversial play on the touchdown that stopped them. If they
didn't miss the extra point, they probably would have kicked

(02:35:30):
the field goal then and then yes, Alex tight Smith
and the last play he miraculously got a sack and
that saved the day. But this defense, this entire year
is not championship worthy.

Speaker 3 (02:35:44):
I'm going to stop it there because I'm guessing.

Speaker 12 (02:35:46):
He went on to say that they're going to get
blown out in the first round again.

Speaker 3 (02:35:49):
Oh yes, all right, Well you.

Speaker 19 (02:35:51):
Know the silk kurt and he thought that was funny. Well,
did you know that silk has a greater tensile strength
then steel?

Speaker 17 (02:35:57):
But oh.

Speaker 3 (02:36:00):
It doesn't. Wow, take that pipe and smoke. It's now
about that with your silk fan.

Speaker 19 (02:36:09):
I know that because I watched Spider Man two just yesterday.

Speaker 1 (02:36:14):
I knew there was Spider Man.

Speaker 12 (02:36:17):
I knew there was going to be at least one
of those. I just because you told me to keep
an eye out for a good call.

Speaker 3 (02:36:23):
That's it. I don't have to write any more down.

Speaker 12 (02:36:27):
I read the comments the Calvin Austin clip that I
played today. Mike de Fabo from The Athletic posted that
on Twitter, and I made the mistake of reading the
comments underneath it.

Speaker 1 (02:36:38):
And that's the clip where Calvin Austin said, you know,
you guys can care if the whole world booze.

Speaker 12 (02:36:43):
Yeah, just there's just some people who are going to
refuse to take any joy out of this season.

Speaker 1 (02:36:49):
God bless you all. If that's the way you want
to go through life, have at it. Why are you watching?
I thought yesterday was one of the first times this
year I felt like it was the Steelers. They were
playing like the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (02:37:05):
It was hard. Guys were getting knocked out of the
game left and right.

Speaker 19 (02:37:08):
Know, the pent up frustration that got released and alleviated
with the first bomb to Dkay. Oh my god, that
was a soothing bomb on this entire season.

Speaker 3 (02:37:19):
A bomb ball, a bomb bomb. It was a bomb bomb.
Who told you to put the bomb on? The bomb?

Speaker 1 (02:37:25):
About the bomb? My dog was going crazy because that's
I was screaming. Anytime I screamed, the dog goes creaky.

Speaker 3 (02:37:31):
So I'm like.

Speaker 1 (02:37:32):
God a bunch of times during the game yesterday, And
that's kind of like the first time it felt like
that this year. I don't know, it felt to me
like it really got back to some Steeler football.

Speaker 3 (02:37:44):
I understand the concerns about the defense.

Speaker 1 (02:37:46):
We said there was one big splash play on the
defense there and this was I think Queen was hurt
on that series.

Speaker 3 (02:37:52):
I'm not sure the one what hulkumb Hulm was in.

Speaker 1 (02:37:54):
It was in they got a shot to get him
in the backfield and then he ran through Hulcomb about
fours into it and then.

Speaker 3 (02:38:00):
He was gone.

Speaker 1 (02:38:01):
And I know you say those plays count, but like
they still looked a lot better than they did against
the Bills. And it was this is the description I
thought of during the commercial break. It looked hopeless versus
the Bills. It's like nothing is going to work. They
cannot stop them. And I didn't think that at all.

Speaker 3 (02:38:17):
Yesterday. I thought they could. There was times they didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:38:21):
They looked coached up better, They looked like they were
a gap sound.

Speaker 3 (02:38:25):
Guys, weren't way out of position. That sounds.

Speaker 1 (02:38:29):
Let's not ever use that a deep scheming schematics and
gap sound or every time something goes while we were
I guess not, but there is.

Speaker 3 (02:38:39):
There was a beat down element to the Bills.

Speaker 1 (02:38:42):
They just kept getting seven yards, eight yards, you know,
second and two, second and three and yeah, right, and
the Steelers, Okay, Henry got a couple of big runs.
He's the greatest December running back in NFL history. Yes,
but then history and then ever you would look up
and then it would be third and six, right, yep,

(02:39:03):
and they won the game. They're in first place. It is,
it is, Yes, the.

Speaker 12 (02:39:12):
One game you want to win above all the other
ones is Baltimore and BALI.

Speaker 1 (02:39:16):
In Baltimore, when I understand, we all see our own
warts the clearest, right, That's just the way it is.
But look at the NFL. The Chiefs are six and seven.
For some reason, Tampa Bay lost at home to New Orleans,
New Orleans. I have it is the strangest, This is
the simplest strangest season in the NFL I can ever remember,

(02:39:39):
and I and I talk about it with the other
play by play guys are going, Hey, what's going on.

Speaker 3 (02:39:45):
In the steam room? You guys have no no, no,
it's it's a. It's a it's a.

Speaker 1 (02:39:49):
They're they're also doing play by play executive And we
were talking about yesterday like this is the weirdest year
I can ever remember.

Speaker 19 (02:39:57):
Speaking of which talk about looking up and seeing something.
The Texans, who I didn't even know. I thought they
were as bad as the Titans, all of a sudden
might actually be the leading best potential team in the AFC.

Speaker 3 (02:40:10):
When you have a defense like that, and then and
you can run the quarterbacks back c J.

Speaker 1 (02:40:15):
Stroud finally back, which, by the way, that was what
the Steelers are supposed to be this year. Historic defense
and a running attack, and then Aaron Rodgers steering the
entire thing right.

Speaker 3 (02:40:29):
They ran yesterday, though, I mean, you ain't.

Speaker 1 (02:40:34):
Well, if they're going to win it, it is apparently
not on the ground. What do you think is a
bigger loss to them?

Speaker 3 (02:40:41):
Washington? Yeah, Washington over Andreo.

Speaker 1 (02:40:44):
Anybody else you were going to mention? Yeah, they did?

Speaker 19 (02:40:49):
He say after postgame, like, how I guess that he
never makes a comment how long anyone's gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:40:53):
Be percussion guys.

Speaker 1 (02:40:56):
Well, you saw when he fell and his head kind
of whacked off the the ground there as a long way.

Speaker 3 (02:41:02):
Well that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 19 (02:41:03):
His head also weighs eighty five pounds. That's very that's
a lot of force going down. Yeah, you could tell
he was hurting, But I don't know. I thought the
Steelers played with a lot of grit yesterday. I thought
Deyla Cook did fine. Then they even stopped helping him
after a series. It was only thirteen snaps. But this
is a guy who was on Tampa's undrafted out of Montana.

(02:41:25):
He was on Tampa's practice squad in twenty twenty two,
didn't play. He was on a Steelers in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (02:41:31):
Didn't play.

Speaker 12 (02:41:32):
He was injured for most of twenty twenty four and
then brought back eventually to be on the practice squad.

Speaker 3 (02:41:37):
That was his NFL debut yesterday. Yeah, but this is a.

Speaker 12 (02:41:40):
Guy who has been practicing and prepping for a long time.
It wasn't too big for I mean, very limited sample size.
And then the other thing that is potentially game changing
in terms of what they're capable of. Adam Steeling played
forty eight percent of the snaps twenty five. He was
the second most used wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (02:41:59):
Oh wow, he only got targeted once. But they clearly
have plans for this guy.

Speaker 12 (02:42:04):
And Marquez Valdez Scantling played thirty one percent of the snaps,
as many as Calvin Austin.

Speaker 1 (02:42:11):
Just for funzies, I played them both for an any
time touchdown yesterday. They were plus nine hundred and plus
one thousand, respectively. I got ten bucks. Never killed anybody.
Who Let's see what happens here.

Speaker 12 (02:42:20):
You know, you know, Valdess Scantling was not used for
four games. He should be up to speed by now.
And they did an unbelievable job with theland just crash course,
you know, go back to stripes.

Speaker 3 (02:42:32):
I learned two semesters of geology one night. You guys
ever crammed before? Yeah? I mean he crammed?

Speaker 15 (02:42:37):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:42:38):
I think that guy at Scantling.

Speaker 1 (02:42:40):
Is there any coincidence that those two guys are running
routes yesterday and playing that many downs and DK has
best game in Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 12 (02:42:51):
Doesn't believe in coincidences as he told us Roma Wilson
got scratched, healthy scratch.

Speaker 3 (02:42:56):
I mean, it wasn't happening.

Speaker 12 (02:43:00):
Not all his fault. Rogers missed him in the last game.
He could have had a big play. Maybe Rogers doesn't overthrow.
He's still playing. But everybody, that's the lineup they gotta
go with.

Speaker 1 (02:43:09):
I think everybody thought Rowan Wilson was gonna be the
next time's ward and he's turned out to be a
tomato can.

Speaker 3 (02:43:14):
All right, that was the last one I had. I
had that three hours. I just wanted to get that
last one in before I leave. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:43:24):
Thanks to Rob Kiggs see a Kinger and also thanks
yeah head headphones, that's some of them.

Speaker 3 (02:43:33):
This is iHeartRadio. We don't have radio equipment everywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:43:37):
Also thanks to Jeane's Territory for calling in on a
Monday today because you know, he was the guy we
all wanted to hear. Yeah uh and of course next
to Tim Bens. As a result, tomorrow will have Jerry
Dulac on the show, Charlie Batch and Billy Gardelle. And
a big thank you to Jeff Conkle. As always, you
got anything coming up here. Nothing holiday in the holidays, Thankfully.

Speaker 3 (02:43:57):
Silk is stronger than stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (02:44:00):
I learned something today, I mean, Jeff, I would probably
check that to verify I am.

Speaker 3 (02:44:05):
I'm prone to talking out of my silk glands.

Speaker 1 (02:44:08):
If you quote a movie, that is a fact as
far as I'm conn said it. First, Chris is in
for Michelle with the electric lunch at noon. Have a
great day, I ever rebot it.

Speaker 3 (02:44:16):
I'm finished. You say, classy Pittsburgh, don't touch your face.

Speaker 1 (02:44:20):
I got him touchday baby.

Speaker 3 (02:44:22):
So now you gotta call me Ronald?

Speaker 6 (02:44:24):
Would you not eat my pants?

Speaker 3 (02:44:25):
Ronald? Oh? Why google it?

Speaker 1 (02:44:36):
At FNB, we rewrote the rules of banking, and they'd
getting everything you need, a whole lot of

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