November 21, 2025 • 11 mins
Steelers All Pro DL Cam Heyward joins the Morning Show to discuss how the defense has managed to turn things around the last three weeks against formidable offenses like the Colts, Chargers, and Bengals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining us right now.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Brought you by Caliante Pizza in Draft House, the Pizza
of champions. Lady and gentlemen from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, where what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Buddy? How are you up? Guys? I'm good. Sorry, I'm
a little late. I was. I was Bible study and
I totally forgot.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You can't say you were doing Bible study and then
expect us to be mad at you. I mean, of
course Bible study is going to take no wait, King
James version.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well it's King James version, but we uh, we go
through Lebron.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
James, not n Not that I apologizing, Cam. Here's my
question for you. What is the ideal time to eat
Thanksgiving dinner?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh? Thank you? I think around like three in your window.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
One thirty to three is what I think is like
the ideal time. Anytime after that you're really getting into
the indigestion all night zone.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah yeah, and you're gonna get the meats and then
you're not gonna be able to have a second portion.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah. I do not think it should be after the
Lions game.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's like seven o'clock the game, Okay, it.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Bleeds into the second game a little bit if you
got to do a little bit earlier, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Who, nobody needs to see the end of the Lions game.
Cam is not for here for you guys to argue
about Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, actually, Cam is is as good of a person
as anybody to weigh in on stuff like this, because.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, I kind of feel like you could.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I don't want to get like fast forward too much,
but you could take a Michael Strahan path in your
post playing career, which I hope is not for a
little while.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Okay, well I agree with that part. I do agree
with that part, Michael Strahan part. I still got to
work on it, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So we had keyesel on the other day. We were
talking about your longevity in your fifteenth year, and I
am just amazed at the production that you are still
exhibiting on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It is remarkable to me.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And I gotta ask you, how do you feel right
now in week twelve, in the fifteenth year of your career?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
How are you feeling feel good?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You know, I'm kind of more pissed at by play.
I feel like I can play a lot better, so
you know, I'm I know everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's
doing at the team, but like you know, I feel
like I can still take it up another notch. And
the way I look at it is we got seven
weeks to you know, prove it we belong and prove
that I can play a lot better.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Cam is the hardest challenge for this coming game in
Chicago keeping Caleb Williams in the pocket And is that
the toughest thing for a pass rusher knowing you want
to get sacks and you're judged by sacks, but that
this guy can probably hurt you more out on the
wing than he can if he's contained.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well. I think the hardest challenge first of all is
that run game. You know, it's it's I think top
two in the league right now with DeAndre Sweft and
the Nung guy. They do a great job of just
stay committed to the run. A lot of these teams now,
you you know, you stop it for a quarter and
then they just go away from it. No, they are
(03:10):
committed to it throughout the entire game. And then with
Caleb Williams, uh, he's very dynamic when he has the
ball in his hands and you know he's buying extra time.
A lot of those those plays he converts, it's extended. Uh,
you know, it's broken coverage. And if you don't have
(03:30):
bursatile guys and guys that just keep rolling and rolling,
He's gonna wear a defense out and then just make
big plays. So I think as a pass rush, you
gotta you gotta make sure you got your hunting hat on,
because it's not just gonna be the first shot. It's
gonna be multiple shots.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Defense came up huge against Flack on the Bengals last week.
Second time you face him this year, but a much
different result, and particularly the defensive line seems to have
gotten things straightened out considerably. Kenu Benton been a big
part of that, I think. But what do you attribute
the sort of you know, I know you're saying you
(04:06):
wish you were playing better, but I think you would
agree the defensive line has had some better games as
of late. Why do you think that you guys are
getting better? What do you attribute it to?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think it's one knowing our mistakes and growing from
our mistakes. You know, we have all the talent in
the world, I think in our d line room, but
you know, it's about being consistent, playing and play out
and you saw earlier in this season where we had
some troubles with that, but I thought we've really improved
since then, and that's the credit and a testament to
you know, Carl Dunbar and you know guys taking the
(04:39):
coaching and guys going from it. You know, we laughing
kid all the time, but we're very open and honest
about what we expect in our room. Whether it's stopping
the run, whether it's getting out to the past, whether
it's understanding that you're not going to get home for
a sec but you gotta get your hands up to
bat the ball because it's gonna be a quick ball.
These are all things we talk about a weekend and
(04:59):
week out well, and it's a challenge, but you know,
we look forward.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
To those cam When you guys were growing up, did
Connor play with you and your older friends, and did
you guys beat the snot out of him? And did
that perfectly prepare him to be the brotherly shove guy
where he just dives into the line and everybody jumps
on him.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Growing up, I would never let him play with my
friends because he would got beating up way too much.
But when I would play with him and his friends,
I beat him all up and prepared him the right way.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, did you ever do that thing when you were
a kid, when you're beating up your brother where you
like hover over him with the spit and then like
suck it back up before it like like falls.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh no, no, no, that's nasty. We don't play around
with spite in our house. That's just wild. Probably not
now either.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I know that you had a real big issue
with what happened last week with Jamar Chase uh and Ramsey.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know, hard to fault him for what he did there.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Cam, Yeah, you know. You know when he told me that,
at first, I was like, Jaileen, just got to calm down.
But then when he told me what had happened, I
was like, oh, you are right for what you're doing
because I probably would have been in the same boat.
And you know, I was trying to explain to the
(06:18):
rest I was getting more tired of trying to keep
Jalen from going and kill the guy on the field.
But it's it's rightful, rightfully, so you just don't do
that in our game. I don't care what is said.
You know, it's all about being competitive, but to take
it up a not to just not going my books.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Cam Hayward Pittsburgh Steelers with us right now.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Cam, I don't think anybody, uh well not very many
people at least tell that against Ramsey, everybody gets what
happened and how he reacted. But what if it happens
in the AFC championship game.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I would like to think that bidding doesn't have any
AFC Championship game, But if it ends up happening, it happens.
Hopefully cooler heads prevailed, but you got to do what's
right for you. And we're never going to follow the
player for you know, being disrespected, but we're gonna have
to hold down the foid if it gets to that point.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What are your feelings on the toush push.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
By the way, there's a lot of people who don't
don't love that that is still a legal play in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I don't love, uh the false dart nature of it.
I feel like, you know, there's queer examples where guys
are off sides or you know, they're moving before the
ball was even snapped, and it's hard for a ref
to really you know, get a good look at that.
(07:50):
You know. I also think it's very hard where we've
gotten to a point where it's not the player pushing forward,
it's someone else. It's someone else like pushing them. So, uh,
it's no longer uh players player, it's player versus three
(08:10):
guys pushing them forward.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm with you on that. They can't officiate it. I mean,
that's the big problem. Yeah, they're constantly jumping off side.
But it seems like there's a ton of false starts
that are going in the NFL every week. I don't
understand how many times I'm watching a game and I
see a tackle jump and it never gets called.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, it's it's mine, you know, mind blowing. I look
at this game, and if a player jumps off side,
we're calling that as soon as he does. Yeah, But
then the letter of the lass says we're supposed to
give a you know, a tackle a step to you know,
get off the ball. I think that's inconsistent, you know,
(08:53):
But that's just like the you know, the p I
rules and everything. It's it's all geared tours towards offense,
and you know, we just got to fight back.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Did you see that clip of Chase Brown talking about
when you hit him so hard that you left an
indentation on his he had to pull his necklace out
of his neck.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah. My my older brother sent it to me yesterday
and I didn't get a chance to look at it
because my social media timer for the day was off.
So this is this is my first time really looking
at this.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Wait, so you you have a timer on how much
you allow yourself to look at social media every day?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yes, brilliantly.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Teach me.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, how many minutes do you allow yourself per day?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I get thirty minutes between Twitter and Instagram, so, oh
my goodness, it goes pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Man, that's got it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
What do you feel like like withdrawal when when when
that thirty minutes is up and you're like, oh, I
really want to open it again.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, it's bad because sometimes I'm just reposting stuff for
the pod and whatever, and I'm like, oh, shoot, I'm
left with like three minutes, so it would make the
most out of these three minutes. And then I'll get clips.
I'll get clips from like my family, and I'm like, yeah,
I can't really look at that right now.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, yeah, he said, you hit him so hard that
his necklace was stuck in his neck and he had
to like have it yanked out of his skin because
it was embedded in his epidermis.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I like to say I would apologize, but I'm not
really gonna apologize for that. I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I can't even imagine wearing like a necklace like that
Durning game.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If you're a guy who's gonna take that shit. Do
you don't wear any jewelry? Do you?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
No, I'm afraid I'm gonna get tied up where you
know it's all doesn't get twisted. I'm gonna be choking.
But no, I don't play those games.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Cam Hayward this Sunday, going to Chicago to face the Bears.
Aaron Rodgers. Has he vocalized anything in the locker room
about him being the Bear's daddy and how much he
wants to play this game as a result of that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Uh he he's been kind of quiet about it, you know.
I know he loves to talk like he's the patriarch
of the Bears organization, but uh no, he's just been
lucked in trying to get right.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I know you were giving him his flowers this week.
What has your experience with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback Ben
relative to what your expectations were going into the year.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, when you find out your quarterback's a big nickelbacks,
then there's a lot to speak about. Yes, he hates it,
and I poke fun and try to get under the skin,
but no, it's it's it's been really fun to leave
with him, he challenged me. You know, we up day
(11:48):
in and day out, but it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Cam.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Thanks for your time this morning, man, We appreciate it
very much. Go get him on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Ye're sir, I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
All right, buddy, take care
Joining us right now.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Brought you by Caliante Pizza in Draft House, the Pizza
of champions. Lady and gentlemen from the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, where what's going on?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Buddy? How are you up? Guys? I'm good. Sorry, I'm
a little late. I was. I was Bible study and
I totally forgot.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You can't say you were doing Bible study and then
expect us to be mad at you. I mean, of
course Bible study is going to take no wait, King
James version.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well it's King James version, but we uh, we go
through Lebron.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
James, not n Not that I apologizing, Cam. Here's my
question for you. What is the ideal time to eat
Thanksgiving dinner?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Oh? Thank you? I think around like three in your window.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
One thirty to three is what I think is like
the ideal time. Anytime after that you're really getting into
the indigestion all night zone.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah yeah, and you're gonna get the meats and then
you're not gonna be able to have a second portion.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah. I do not think it should be after the
Lions game.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's like seven o'clock the game, Okay, it.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Bleeds into the second game a little bit if you
got to do a little bit earlier, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Who, nobody needs to see the end of the Lions game.
Cam is not for here for you guys to argue
about Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, actually, Cam is is as good of a person
as anybody to weigh in on stuff like this, because.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean, I kind of feel like you could.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I don't want to get like fast forward too much,
but you could take a Michael Strahan path in your
post playing career, which I hope is not for a
little while.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Okay, well I agree with that part. I do agree
with that part, Michael Strahan part. I still got to
work on it, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So we had keyesel on the other day. We were
talking about your longevity in your fifteenth year, and I
am just amazed at the production that you are still
exhibiting on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
It is remarkable to me.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And I gotta ask you, how do you feel right
now in week twelve, in the fifteenth year of your career?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
How are you feeling feel good?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You know, I'm kind of more pissed at by play.
I feel like I can play a lot better, so
you know, I'm I know everybody's like, oh, yeah, he's
doing at the team, but like you know, I feel
like I can still take it up another notch. And
the way I look at it is we got seven
weeks to you know, prove it we belong and prove
that I can play a lot better.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Cam is the hardest challenge for this coming game in
Chicago keeping Caleb Williams in the pocket And is that
the toughest thing for a pass rusher knowing you want
to get sacks and you're judged by sacks, but that
this guy can probably hurt you more out on the
wing than he can if he's contained.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well. I think the hardest challenge first of all is
that run game. You know, it's it's I think top
two in the league right now with DeAndre Sweft and
the Nung guy. They do a great job of just
stay committed to the run. A lot of these teams now,
you you know, you stop it for a quarter and
then they just go away from it. No, they are
(03:10):
committed to it throughout the entire game. And then with
Caleb Williams, uh, he's very dynamic when he has the
ball in his hands and you know he's buying extra time.
A lot of those those plays he converts, it's extended. Uh,
you know, it's broken coverage. And if you don't have
(03:30):
bursatile guys and guys that just keep rolling and rolling,
He's gonna wear a defense out and then just make
big plays. So I think as a pass rush, you
gotta you gotta make sure you got your hunting hat on,
because it's not just gonna be the first shot. It's
gonna be multiple shots.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Defense came up huge against Flack on the Bengals last week.
Second time you face him this year, but a much
different result, and particularly the defensive line seems to have
gotten things straightened out considerably. Kenu Benton been a big
part of that, I think. But what do you attribute
the sort of you know, I know you're saying you
(04:06):
wish you were playing better, but I think you would
agree the defensive line has had some better games as
of late. Why do you think that you guys are
getting better? What do you attribute it to?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think it's one knowing our mistakes and growing from
our mistakes. You know, we have all the talent in
the world, I think in our d line room, but
you know, it's about being consistent, playing and play out
and you saw earlier in this season where we had
some troubles with that, but I thought we've really improved
since then, and that's the credit and a testament to
you know, Carl Dunbar and you know guys taking the
(04:39):
coaching and guys going from it. You know, we laughing
kid all the time, but we're very open and honest
about what we expect in our room. Whether it's stopping
the run, whether it's getting out to the past, whether
it's understanding that you're not going to get home for
a sec but you gotta get your hands up to
bat the ball because it's gonna be a quick ball.
These are all things we talk about a weekend and
(04:59):
week out well, and it's a challenge, but you know,
we look forward.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
To those cam When you guys were growing up, did
Connor play with you and your older friends, and did
you guys beat the snot out of him? And did
that perfectly prepare him to be the brotherly shove guy
where he just dives into the line and everybody jumps
on him.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Growing up, I would never let him play with my
friends because he would got beating up way too much.
But when I would play with him and his friends,
I beat him all up and prepared him the right way.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, did you ever do that thing when you were
a kid, when you're beating up your brother where you
like hover over him with the spit and then like
suck it back up before it like like falls.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh no, no, no, that's nasty. We don't play around
with spite in our house. That's just wild. Probably not
now either.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I know that you had a real big issue
with what happened last week with Jamar Chase uh and Ramsey.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know, hard to fault him for what he did there.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Cam, Yeah, you know. You know when he told me that,
at first, I was like, Jaileen, just got to calm down.
But then when he told me what had happened, I
was like, oh, you are right for what you're doing
because I probably would have been in the same boat.
And you know, I was trying to explain to the
(06:18):
rest I was getting more tired of trying to keep
Jalen from going and kill the guy on the field.
But it's it's rightful, rightfully, so you just don't do
that in our game. I don't care what is said.
You know, it's all about being competitive, but to take
it up a not to just not going my books.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Cam Hayward Pittsburgh Steelers with us right now.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Cam, I don't think anybody, uh well not very many
people at least tell that against Ramsey, everybody gets what
happened and how he reacted. But what if it happens
in the AFC championship game.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I would like to think that bidding doesn't have any
AFC Championship game, But if it ends up happening, it happens.
Hopefully cooler heads prevailed, but you got to do what's
right for you. And we're never going to follow the
player for you know, being disrespected, but we're gonna have
to hold down the foid if it gets to that point.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What are your feelings on the toush push.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
By the way, there's a lot of people who don't
don't love that that is still a legal play in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I don't love, uh the false dart nature of it.
I feel like, you know, there's queer examples where guys
are off sides or you know, they're moving before the
ball was even snapped, and it's hard for a ref
to really you know, get a good look at that.
(07:50):
You know. I also think it's very hard where we've
gotten to a point where it's not the player pushing forward,
it's someone else. It's someone else like pushing them. So, uh,
it's no longer uh players player, it's player versus three
(08:10):
guys pushing them forward.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm with you on that. They can't officiate it. I mean,
that's the big problem. Yeah, they're constantly jumping off side.
But it seems like there's a ton of false starts
that are going in the NFL every week. I don't
understand how many times I'm watching a game and I
see a tackle jump and it never gets called.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, it's it's mine, you know, mind blowing. I look
at this game, and if a player jumps off side,
we're calling that as soon as he does. Yeah, But
then the letter of the lass says we're supposed to
give a you know, a tackle a step to you know,
get off the ball. I think that's inconsistent, you know,
(08:53):
But that's just like the you know, the p I
rules and everything. It's it's all geared tours towards offense,
and you know, we just got to fight back.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Did you see that clip of Chase Brown talking about
when you hit him so hard that you left an
indentation on his he had to pull his necklace out
of his neck.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah. My my older brother sent it to me yesterday
and I didn't get a chance to look at it
because my social media timer for the day was off.
So this is this is my first time really looking
at this.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Wait, so you you have a timer on how much
you allow yourself to look at social media every day?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yes, brilliantly.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Teach me.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, how many minutes do you allow yourself per day?
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I get thirty minutes between Twitter and Instagram, so, oh
my goodness, it goes pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Man, that's got it.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
What do you feel like like withdrawal when when when
that thirty minutes is up and you're like, oh, I
really want to open it again.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Well, it's bad because sometimes I'm just reposting stuff for
the pod and whatever, and I'm like, oh, shoot, I'm
left with like three minutes, so it would make the
most out of these three minutes. And then I'll get clips.
I'll get clips from like my family, and I'm like, yeah,
I can't really look at that right now.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, yeah, he said, you hit him so hard that
his necklace was stuck in his neck and he had
to like have it yanked out of his skin because
it was embedded in his epidermis.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I like to say I would apologize, but I'm not
really gonna apologize for that. I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I can't even imagine wearing like a necklace like that
Durning game.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
If you're a guy who's gonna take that shit. Do
you don't wear any jewelry? Do you?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
No, I'm afraid I'm gonna get tied up where you
know it's all doesn't get twisted. I'm gonna be choking.
But no, I don't play those games.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Cam Hayward this Sunday, going to Chicago to face the Bears.
Aaron Rodgers. Has he vocalized anything in the locker room
about him being the Bear's daddy and how much he
wants to play this game as a result of that.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Uh he he's been kind of quiet about it, you know.
I know he loves to talk like he's the patriarch
of the Bears organization, but uh no, he's just been
lucked in trying to get right.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I know you were giving him his flowers this week.
What has your experience with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback Ben
relative to what your expectations were going into the year.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, when you find out your quarterback's a big nickelbacks,
then there's a lot to speak about. Yes, he hates it,
and I poke fun and try to get under the skin,
but no, it's it's it's been really fun to leave
with him, he challenged me. You know, we up day
(11:48):
in and day out, but it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Cam.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Thanks for your time this morning, man, We appreciate it
very much. Go get him on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Ye're sir, I appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
All right, buddy, take care
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