December 3, 2025 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
There were sixty six thousand, sixty eight people at Akershar
Stadium on Sunday for the Steelers lost to the Bills.
They all heard Fire Tomlin and they heard the.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Booze for renegade.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Actually, I should say only sixty six thousand and sixty
seven people, because we all know Steeler's owner Art Runny
the Second didn't hear them. He was busy sticking his
fingers in his ears and yelling.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
No no, no, no, na na no no nana, boo boo.
I can't hear you.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
As loud as he could, just to make the chance
go away. If you do that long enough, it's like
they never even happened. Tim Benson for Mark Madden. This
is the Wednesday edition of The Mark Madden Show. Lots
to get to, including Mike de Corsi coming up at
three thirty. I'm sure we'll go round and round about
Mike Tomlin and much much more. Mike from the Sporting
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News as well as the Breakfast podcast. He does the
Friday Football Show with me on YouTube and Facebook Live.
You can check it out there. But people could have
been chanting Fire Tomlin through bullhorns in Rooney's face as
he was pulling out of his parking spots Sunday night,
and he still wouldn't have paid attention to Rooney. Calls
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for the dismissal of Mike Tomlin as the franchise as
head coach are the very definition of ambient noise. To Rooney,
you and me saying that Mike Tomlin should be fired,
it's like the hum of rolling tires on a long
trip down the turnpike. It's elevator music, it's cars honking
in midtown Manhattan. He won't even notice. Customer dissatisfaction is
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of no concern to Art Renny the Second, at least
not until it's reflected in repeated losing records or much
more importantly, profit unless Rudy shows somehow that he is
moved by the results in the field and the results
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of the field trickling into the dissatisfaction of his fan base.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But the only thing that's going to affect him when
it comes to the decision to move on from Mike
Tomlin will be ticket sales, merchandising, corporate sponsorships, organizational investment
from minority owners. If those things become marginalized by Tomlin's
presence then and only then will he be likely to
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respond to customer outrage. Short of that, it's like you
and me complaining to the gas company because our rates
are too high.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Eight three, three, four one two ninety nine thirty nine.
That's the number to call.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
If you are an outraged Steelers fan and you want
your voice to be heard on the Mike Tomlin front,
please feel free.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
A phone line is open for you.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But Rooney sees Tomlin as the coach for life, not
just his own life, but probably Tomlins and yours too,
no matter how old you are. Let's be honest. If
the Steelers lose at least three of their next five
and assure themselves of a losing record for the first
time since two thousand and three, that still won't make
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Rooney pay attention. That narrative will then just shift from yeah,
but Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season to yeah,
but Mike Tomlin's only had one losing season. Understand this
aren't ruy. The second sees you and me as the problem,
not Tomlin. He sees complaining media members and grumbling fans
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as pampered, demanding consumers and critics who have no idea
how good we've got it at six and six with
the NFL's most overpaid defense and most confounding offense.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
In case you haven't heard, we're not the Jets, we're
not the Browns, we're not the Raiders. That's good enough,
don't you know?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's the new standard to measure the coach who coined
the phrase the standard is the standard. And I'll pause
for a moment to let just sort of sift through
that irony. Think back to art ready, the second sit
down with Ashley Liotis from WTAE last year, last January,
I guess it was this year, But in January, at
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the very end of last season, Rooney had the temerity to,
at least verbally anyway, wag his finger at us and
remind us that the Steelers have had some success around
here and we need to keep it in perspective. Well, okay,
I'm all about perspective. I'll lend some perspective. Twelve of
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the past fourteen seasons, there hasn't been any playoff success
to speak of, and none in the last eight. That's
the longest playoff win drought for the franchise since the
Immaculate Reception The Steelers also went twelve or fourteen seasons
without a playoff win during the perceived dark Ages between
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nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety three. That was between the
end of Super Bowl fourteen through the first two years
of Bill Cower's tenure. That stretch of post steel Curtain
years to end. Chuck Knowles era is spoken of in
like only hushed, fleeting references at the team's headquarters. Its
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existence is barely recognized. It's as if that era didn't happen. Meanwhile,
we celebrate tomlins record of eighty six fifty six and.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Two and zero to five in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Since the start of twenty seventeen is if it's some
sort of major accomplishment. Rooney's current coach is now renowned
for never having a losing season more than he is
for a Super Bowl trophy, which, by the way, is
almost seventeen years old. And just since we're gonna do
some numerology here for a second, a season is seventeen games,
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and over his most recent seventeen games, Tomlin is six
and eleven.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's not a winning record.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
The Steelers last playoff victory was five days before President
Trump's inauguration. The first time. Want some perspective, that's perspective.
A lot of stuff's happened since then. Art so shout,
fire Tomlin all you want. It'll make you feel better,
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makes me feel better. Then I think about it, then
I get madder. You can shout, just don't expect the
right guy to hear it. He'll have his fingers in
his ears still. Maybe if the Steelers are picking in
the top ten of the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh next April,
and that chant happens on national television a dozen times
over or so during the three days when the Steelers
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having all those picks, it'll finally get Rooney's attention.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And if fire Tom Win, Fire Tom Win.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Doesn't resonate for three straight days over twelve picks, try
to sell the team because that one's working out great
for the other owner on the north shore again. Eight three, three, four, one, two,
ninety nine, thirty nine. Those are the numbers to call.
We're playing a lot of sound bites. Tom and I
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were in the first hour of the program on the
pregame show.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Here's one I didn't get to.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I know Tom did yesterday, but it's Ian Rapaport of
the NFL network on this very topic.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Even discussing firing Mike Tomlin is completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now, yes, I heard the chance.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I understand that that is the reality for some Steelers fans.
But based on my understanding of the situation, let me
lay it out for you. Mike Tomlin is one of
the best coaches in the NFL. If he ever became available,
who'd be snatched up and literally a matter of no
time if he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's a super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
They make the playoffs every year post consecutive non losing seasons.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Basically ever a lot to unpack there. First of all,
thanks for laid it out for us.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Ian.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm glad you could lay it out for us, because
a small minded folk here in Pittsburgh, we don't have
the capacity to understand it without you laying it out
for us. Well, let me lay out something for you.
They don't make the playoffs every year, didn't make the
playoffs back.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
To back years.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In fact, in twelve and thirteen, didn't make the playoffs
in between Super Bowl teams in two thousand and nine,
didn't make the playoffs in twenty two.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
What years am I skipping? How about twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
When there were seven to and one at one point
and failed to make the playoffs, or when they were
eight and five at one point in twenty nineteen and
still managed.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
To choke that away. Did I lay it out for
you enough? Ian? Was that good enough?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And the whole notion of him getting a job the
minute that he's let go by the Steelers, great, fine,
go ahead, wonderful. That can't stop you from deciding to
make the move. Andy Reid got a job. Andy Reid's
been successful so of the Eagles, and it's funny like
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you know it, you know how it's gonna go. Eventually
Tomlin will get let go, probably not this year, probably
not for another couple of years. But when they do,
the national reporters like Ian Rappaport will, I'll purse their
little lips up to Art Rooney's backside and start kissing
it as soon as they make their next hire and
talk about how great it is, and however that guy's
gonna be the next tom Win, the next cow or
the next Chuck Nole.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
They will. You know it, I know it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So that just rubbed me the wrong, Not that Rapaport
was wrong in what he said. In fact, he's right
in what he said. They're not gonna fire him, they're
not thinking about fire him. That just dovetails exactly what
the monologue I gave you, which is we can talk
about it all we want.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
He's not going to pay attention.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So Rapaport was right about that, But the condescending nature
and the tone in which he delivered it drove me
nuts when I heard that, and the factual inaccuracy of well,
they make the playoffs every year, Well, no they don't,
and then what happens when they get into the playoffs?
Ian and how many teams make the playoffs? And every
conference every year, and each conference every year it's seven,
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all right, It's not as hard to make the playoffs
as it was when Bill Kawer was going through his
lean years, as it was when Chuck Dole was going
through his lean years, when it was four or five
eventually six.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But now it's seven.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So getting the playoffs ain't that big of a deal,
especially if you get pounded on the road and don't
even put up a fight in the playoffs, as they so.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Frequently do on the occasions that they do get in.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Want to play one other SoundBite if you missed it,
This is Ben Roethlisberger talking about the prospect of Mike
Tomlin moving on and how the Steelers should handle it.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Give him a statue, do it, do whatever whatever you
gotta do, because he deserves it, He's earned it. But
it's it's like, Okay, it's time to find that next guy.
And who's that next guy that could that could be
here for the next twenty years.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I don't know this.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I haven't talked coach talking about it, but but I
think he might say, like, it's time for a fresh
start when you've been in one place in the NFL
for that long, like even the greatest of like you know,
you talk about the Belichicks and the Gibbs and the
Seafferts and the any Reed, Andy Reid, any Reswitch. So
when you know, like and now, do you think he
for one minute regrets it or anybody? I mean, well,
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that's and now that he gos have won since he's left, Yeah,
he's one as best reported. And so again I'm not
trying to like be nasty or this another I just
think that it might be even coach might say it's
time for a change. And again, if that's college, I
don't know if it's pro.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And that's the new narrative that's kind of being built
up that's bothering me.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And again, much like with Rapaport, I think a lot
of what be And said is right. He's right.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I just gave the Eagles analogy myself that the premise
from where he's coming from is accurate. But they don't
need to build them a statue. And as Ben said
in one of his previous sound bites, you can't fire him,
Mike Tomlin. You have to come to a mutual agreement
in some sort of capacity.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, you do not. You can fire him.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And that's this building narrative of how this is eventually
gonna end in Pittsburgh that it can't and only will
end if Mike Tomlin gives his blessing to be let go,
make a mutual decision, allow himself to be traded. No,
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that's the new who else you're gonna get?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's the new what if we become the Jets?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's the new angle to this Tomlin dialogue that's gone
on for eight years now. That should drive you crazy
and make your skin when you hear it. It doesn't
have to be with Tomlin's blessing. It doesn't have to
be because they make a mutual agreement and they figure
out a neat way to phrase it in a press release.
It has to be because Artwordy of the second is
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gonna wake up and smell the coffee and say it's
time to move on.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It doesn't have to be because.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Tomlin's okay with it and we have a nice little
handshake on the way out the door.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It might have to be messy.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's okay, because it's been messy since they lost to
the Jaguars in the playoffs at the end of the
twenty seventeen season eight three, three, four, one, two, ninety nine,
thirty nine. And know Mark's doing calls in the fifteen,
so let's get some calls in the fifteens before we
get to Mike de Corsi.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But am I wrong about this? Does it have to
be neat and tidy on the way out the door
with Mike Tomlin? I don't think it does. I don't
think he needs a statue. Ben. I'd rather see you
get a statue.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Lots of other people would rather see get a statue
before Tomlin that deserve it more. He doesn't need a statue.
You need a statue and the whole thing about Penn State.
I am kind of curious, and this is just for
fun because it's it's silly, even though like ESPN is
jumping on it and advancing it as a real conversation.
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But like, what would Penn State fans think if Mike
Tomlin really was the coach?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
If you're a Penn State fan, just for fun, I
want your perspective on it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Eight three, three, four, one two ninety nine, thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
This is one oh five nine, the XO the ex
at one oh five nine.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Adam Thielen's number has been revealed. He'll wear number sixteen
in the grand tradition of Robert Woods. I can't believe
they didn't retire it after that. Charlie Baxter, of course
used to wear number sixteen, as did Mark Malone. He
was a wide receiver and a quarterback. He threw the
ball to himself. He was that damn good. You people
should appreciate Mark Malone. Of course, you don't talk about
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that because it was in the eighties. Like I just
got done saying the Steelers don't recognize the eighties because
those are the dark years. But this same similar stretch
of how long it's been to have just two years
that are playoff represented with Mike Tomlin, they've been great
eight three, three, four, one, two, ninety nine thirty nine.
Let's go to the phones and start things off with Jeff,
who's calling from Beaver Jeff, you're on one oh five
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nine the X.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Hey, good day, good day.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
You know I, first off, I couldn't even agree with
you more that Art Rooney has more damage to the
team and since he's own, since he's been owner of
the team than anyone else. Him and Tomlin both included,
have just kind of destroyed the team. But yeah, aren't
statue is supposed to be tom mortalize someone. Are we
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going to immortalize mediocracy by giving statue a Tom given
Tomlin a stay?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, I think and you know, the the huge of it,
appreciate the call, the humor of it. Aside from what
Roethlisberger said, you know, like, I don't think he really
is building a platform to give Tomlin a statue. I
think what he was trying to say is make sure
you move on from the coaching era diplomatically, and they
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can do that without needing his permission to make the change.
I think that's the greater point of what Roethlisberger was
driving at It certainly was when I was talking. I
don't want to get bogged down in the merits of
does Mike Tomlin deserve a statue or not, because I
think we all know that Chuck Knowles should have when first,
if we're talking about coaches, there's about five or six
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players and maybe the guy who owned the team before
that should all get statues before we get to Tomlin.
I don't think that's up for debate, But I think
the greater scope of Ben sort of feeling the need
to segue into his thought by suggesting that is the
larger conversation. That part of the reason the Steelers probably
feel like they can't move on. They don't know how
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to do it diplomatically, and I keep saying it. They
don't have to. They can just say we're done. There
hasn't been a playoff win since twenty sixteen. Twelve of
the last fourteen years. You've only had a playoff win
in four of your years as a coach. You've been
coaching since two thousand and seven, and only four of
those seasons have resulted in playoff victories.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's enough. You don't need to blow Mecy Nick calling
from his truck. You're on one O five ninety X.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
Hey Jim. I'm not sure if anybody else did this
research or try to figure it out. I did. I'm
not confident because I did use AI to help me.
But Tomlin's whole winning record thing. I went back to
his first season all the way until now and gathered
up the information of how many wins he has against
teams for each season that had winning records by the
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end of the season. And it's under fifty percent. So
I think that speaks volumes or how important I would
assume if it was someone would have tried to figure
that out.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean, like say, I've kind of gone down
that path from time to time. To make a point,
it's a slippery slope because like, for instance, Cincinnati last year,
you know what if they had a winning record when
he beat them with Joe Burrow and then you know,
lost to them without Joe Burrow at the end of
the season, Like what does that prove or disprove?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So, like you get you can get kind of messy
when you get into winning records. Either at the end
of the season or at the time when he beat
the team when they did have a winning record, like
what if it you know, he beat a team that
was six and one at the time and it felt
like a huge win, and then that team lost their
starting quarterback and they only wound up with seven wins
and they finished seven to nine. Well, then it's not
a winning team. So I don't we don't need to
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get that granular about it. The bigger picture discussion is
clear that he hasn't gotten it done since that trip
to the Super Bowl against Green Bay, often enough to merit,
continuing to get extend after extension after extension, and the
last seventeen games. If you want to look at what
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a season is, it's seventeen games. He's six and eleven,
and yet there have been some pretty bad losses against
some pretty good teams that make you feel that this
edition of the Steelers ain't close to competing.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
If you had to choose one instance where the wheels
started falling.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Off, what would that be?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
If you had to choose.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
One where we've just started going downhill, and it's been.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen when they went to in though seven,
seven to two and one and they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
So I'm for me, it's Shazier's injury. It seems like
after Shade that season, I think if Shazier is in
still I think that was a super Bowl team. But
I'm talking like that specific like something that happened, and
I do agree with you. You know that is a good
one in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Go yeah, you know, part of a lot of people
like to dwell on that, but you know, it's a
terrible that happened. But I almost feel like pointing to
something and I appreciate the observation, thanks for the call,
but pointing to something that catastrophic, to me, is almost
a way of letting Tomlin off the hook somehow by
saying this horrible thing happened, How could the franchise ever
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recover from it? Well?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
As terrible as it was.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I mean, like, would Ryan Shazier still be a top
notch player right now at this stage of his career
all these years later after that? Probably not. He's probably
retired by now. We're no longer a stealer at this point.
So I don't think that analogy holds to where they
are right now in the evolution or the dissolving of
what this franchise used to be. Marty's calling from his car,
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You're on one of five to nine, the ex Marty.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Hey, Tim, good day, good day, Hey, I was calling
him basically, how much influence do you think.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Tomlin would have noticed?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
I say it would if an upcoming draft.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
How much influence do I think tom would have if
he's still here for the upcoming draft? Yes, as much
as he's always said, it wouldn't change one iota.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
I personally don't think he should be here period for that.
Let's get a new coach and see what they might draft.
Something different.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, well that's possible, and we gotta split because we've
got to get to Mike de Corsi next. But if
he stays, it's gonna be status quo. I mean, they're
not gonna relieve him of any power. And can you
imagine what the dynamic would be like if all the sudden,
Art Rooney came to him and said, Okay, Mike, we're
gonna keep you for at least another year, but you're
gonna have nothing to do with personnel this time. It's
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all Omar and Andy Widel and gosh. At this point,
do you trust them, not with the way the roster looks.
Mike de Corsi from The Sporting News next one oh
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Speaker 1 (22:22):
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In from Mark Today, Mike, I'm glad you're on today
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because you can lend a little balance to what I'm
sure for Tomlin supporters and backers feels just like an
all out assault session today because I've been on him,
the callers have been on him. You have been a
longtime supporter, a longtime backer, and someone who has tried
to see the forest through the trees with Tomlin. But
do we have a forest fire now? Can you no
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longer do that?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Well?
Speaker 10 (23:06):
No, I mean I still like, in general, think that
he is the right person for the job. But I
don't think that he's done well this year. I think
that's fairly obvious. Like let's let's say if you've got
sho hey Atani and sho Heeyatani has.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
A year that's probably a big grand a comparison, But.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
It's hard to think of a baseball player when you're
in Pittsburgh him.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So I hope you're not going to yah.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I hope you're not gonna try to make a baseball
analogy to Mike Tomlin and come up with Jack Sawinski.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That really might drive Mike out of town.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That would be very bad. I think that would then
it would be over.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
Let's say you have Ellie daily Cruz and for a
year he hits two forty.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
You don't give up on him.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
You say, hey, come on, Ellie, let's go hit two
seventy five, what do you think?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And then you try to figure out how you do that?
Speaker 10 (23:55):
And and so I think this is kind of at
this point right now, and there are another four or
five games left, five games left to try to get
it up, the batting average up.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
But at this point, this is his two thirty five year.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
This is them performing at a level that we've not
really seen.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
And I think it's.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Like they go back to twenty twenty two when they
had the first Kenny Pickett year and they managed to
win nine games, and because there was a reliability to
their defense, even though there was nothing exceptional about the offense,
and they did miss the playoffs, they were in games
and they were and they were not discouraging to their
fans for that reason. But this defense is just so
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inconsistent and so vexing.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
It becomes very difficult to embrace the team. Because they
have had good games, they've had solid games. They've had
games where they did one thing well and not necessarily
the other. They what they have rarely done is say
you're not running through us, and we'll figure it out
on offense, which is what they did a year ago.
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I mean, they won two games last year without scoring
a touchdown, and they made changes, some changes on their
defense that were designed to make it better. Drafting Derek
harmon everything going fine there, but letting a Land and
Roberts go without any great explanation, and then making the
massive change at free safety, which you and I have
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discussed on our show many times.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
They've been calamitous. I mean two those two things have
been colored well.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
The entire rebuilding of the secondary is blown up in
their face. I agree with you on that. I just
I think, Mike, if I'm going to use follow up
to your baseball analogy, I feel like they've been at
two thirty five more than just this year. Whether they're
six and eleven or eight nine and the non losing
streak finally comes to a halt this year, or even
if they're nine to eight and missed the playoffs, it
doesn't feel that different to me than starting out two
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and six and finishing eight and eight or charting out.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Well, that was that was That was a long time ago,
and that was actually before a great run from twenty
fourteen to No.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
No, no, I'm talking about the year that TJ. Watt
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm talking a few years ago when they were two
and six and they rallied. I guess it might have
been nine and eight instead of eight and eight. But
whatever it was, that was.
Speaker 10 (26:16):
That was the That was the That was the picket year.
And I think that was a much different year than
what you're seeing now because they were throwing Canny Pickett
out there and winning nine games. I mean, now they
bring in Aaron all.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Right, but there were seven two and one and they
they collapsed and missed the playoffs with Ben Roethlisberger and
a b at the height of his powers, you know,
like they they've done it both.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Twenty eighteen, the the the.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
Fumbles and all of that out in Denver and yeah,
and the missfield goals. No, I mean that team, that
team makes the playoffs if Boz doesn't have his only
bad year. I mean, so, I just don't I see
this as being much different than than what we've been
exposed to.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well do you see it being different?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Because it's hitting everybody that there's no way out. Like
part of the reason I was as frustrated as I
was with any one of these seasons we're debating right now,
Mike is I felt like they had a better chance
to win in those years. I had very low expectations
for this year because I feel like it's getting worse
and they're getting older and they're not backfilling. And that's
what feels haunting to me right now, the future as
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much as the as the present.
Speaker 10 (27:22):
Yeah, the difference is that if you go back to
the middle part of the prior decade, the offense was
starting to explode and you started to see Ben, like
at twenty fourteen, throw for five hundred yards in a game,
et cetera.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It was starting to really take off.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
And it never came all the way to fruition because
of injuries and such. But they were significant in those
years from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen, and then they
were obviously rebuilding but managing because of a significant defense,
to be competitive when they shouldn't have been.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
That That's what's what I think is too often missed.
Think about this.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
Let's exempt this year from it. But from twenty one
to twenty four they have a winning season and a
couple of playoff years with the ghost of Ben Roethlisberger,
Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky. Pickett, Trubisky and Mason Rudolph
and then you last year you had the ghost of
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Russell Wilson, so like and they and they still won games.
This year you bring in Okay, so now you got
the ghost of Aaron Rodgers. And the offense is worse
and the defense is demonstrably worse. The changes they've made
to the defense have been calamitous.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
That's what's different. Like if people talk about the age,
look around the defense.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
Okay, so Cam's old, all right, TJ's kind of little
bit old, and of course.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
In the back your strong safety is old. Most of
those guys are not that old. Most of the rest
of them are. Some of them are very young.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's not a so that you don't keep them for
the rebuild, then, do you, Mike do you mean Mike Tomlin? Yeah,
you don't keep him in the same regime in charge
for the rebuild, do you.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
Well, I don't think that you're you're saying to see,
First of all, I don't believe in the word rebuild.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I don't believe in that. I believe what you know.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
When the Penguins were struggling after twenty eighteen, there were
so many people in town saying, well, trade away Crosby
or trade away Malkin or trade away Latang.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
And my solution has never been to trade the good players.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
You keep the people that make you, that give you
a chance to be good, and then you build around it.
And so there's no reason in my mind why you
would say that one of the best coaches in the
history of the league, I mean, top fifteen, top twenty, whatever,
that is not the right person.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Now I have said before, and I said this on
the record.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
I didn't have a platform like the Friday Football Show
a couple of years back, but I said on Twitter
that when they were making the offensive coordinate higher coordinator
hire subsequent to Matt Canada, that Mike should have only
this much input. Everybody else who's in power decides who
they want, and then Mike takes him to dinner and
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sees if he can work with us. And you only
get to say no once anybody. If the first guy
is a no, then the next guy's getting hired, no
matter whether you enjoy yourself over your stake or not.
That would have been my approach to the last coordinator higher.
And he may say if you go in and say, okay,
you've got to make changes on your staff, he may
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say I'm not doing that, And at that point then
maybe you have to move forward.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
But I don't move on from somebody like.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
This that's really good at what he does until until
he stops being really good at what he does. And
even this team has managed to be six and six
despite a defense that is is like the the old
cartoon where there's there's water coming out of the dam,
and so somebody puts a finger in it or a
hole a hand over it, and then the water starts
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coming out the other side, and sooner or later you
run out of hands.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
That's the twenty twenty five Steelers.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Defense, Mike.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I don't know if you saw what Ben Roethlisberger said
on his podcast, his video stream, if you heard it,
if you saw the quotes from not I'm trying to
figure out what I like better. The idea of building
Mike tom on a statue before they fire him, or
him taking over at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Which one did you find more entertaining?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh, that's funny. I like that. That's good. It is
very funny.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
And you know, Penn State obviously has concerns about their
coaching higher.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
It's gone on a long time and a lot.
Speaker 10 (31:46):
Of people are either committed to where they are or
going elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
So that's a that's a difficult situation.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
But I don't think this necessarily needs to be Okay,
what I sometimes I'm kind of what bothers me about
this This sort of conversation is when people say that
coach's voice has gotten steel, what they're really saying is,
I really want to just yell at somebody else. I'm
tired of yelling at this guy. He's not listening to
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me anyway, so I'm tired of yelling at him. I
want to yell at somebody else. I keep looking at
the teams that have moved on from significant NFL coaches.
New Orleans gets rid of Sean Payton, he goes, He
goes up to Denver.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
They're now one of the.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Best teams in the league, and New Orleans is one
of the worst teams in the league. Tennessee gets rid
of Mike Rabel, he goes it, gets a job in
New England. They're one of the best teams in the league,
and the Titans are definitively the worst team in the league.
Miami gets rid of their coach and they bring in
Mike McDaniel, and he's going to be a genius and everything,
and they're a mediocre at best team. So now I
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don't buy the idea that you need to move on
from the coach. That doesn't mean that you sit back
and let the coach do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Uh, he has bosses and they need to do their jobs.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, And but it also doesn't mean that the new
coach coming in can't make it work. I mean, like
even though Rabel coached somewhere else, sure, but he's new
with the Patriots. They're eleven and two. Jacksonville's got a
first time coaching, Lee and Cohen. They're leading the South,
first time head coaching Demiico Ryans. The Texans are on
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the verge of making it. Shane Steiken currently in a
playoff position with Indianapolis Ben Johnson nine and three atop
the NFC.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So, like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
Glad you brought up Shane Steiken, Okay, because they were
ready to fire.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Him in Indianapolis.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
Then they were ready to build the statue after nine
games or so, and now they're starting to think about
tearing the statue down before the even buildings and and well.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Then he should go to Penn State.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Obviously, yes, exactly. That's see.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
That's the point is, Yeah, some guys have had a
good run, and the pieces are in place and all that,
maybe you can walk into a good situation.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
But I don't.
Speaker 10 (34:06):
Believe in in getting rid of a coach that I
believe continues to do his job effectively. I don't think
that they're having a peak year, and I think they
made some significant personnel errors and hit whatever input he
had into the trade of Mika Fitzpatrick, whatever input he
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had into deciding to let a land and Roberts walk
for no reason and no money those and even I'll
even go to nause because if you're gonna sit here
and tell me that Jalen Warren can't be in every
down back and can't carry the ball twenty times a game,
then you should have paid nause Is the seven million
option and kept him.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, because you don't believe in it, clearly.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
I mean, a week ago, you're playing the thirtieth ranked
rush defense in the in the league, and I know
that Buffalo ganged up and showed you these all these
formations with the nine guys and all that, and they
didn't respect your pass game. So you thought, okay, well,
we'll we'll crank that out and we'll throw over the
top and we'll beat them. But you didn't rush against
the thirtieth best team in the league. You didn't run
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for anything. And part of that was that you didn't
believe in your running back. Because they've Sunday wasn't the
only occasion they've consistently not shown any belief in Jalen
Warren as an every downrunner.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, clearly they've learned their lesson when it comes to
their personnel moves, as is evident by going out and
getting thirty five year old Adam Thielen.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Yeah, well, I you know, I don't have any problem
with that, and I'll tell you why, because you've got
salary cap money that's just sitting there collecting.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Interest I suppose not dust interest. At least money collects interest.
And so he's out there and you don't put anything
at risk by bringing him.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
No, you're not risking anything. It's just it.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm rolling my eyes out it because it feels like
he's the wide receiver version of who just left cornerback
with Darius Slay.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
You know it just it may be he's not done
anything this year.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
He's only two years removed from a very significance season.
I think close to anything close to eighty catches. I
don't think that he's going to add anything. But but
like I said, you have zero to lose except the
interest on the money that was sitting in the bank.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Hey, real quick, Mike, I only got about forty five
seconds here, so I gotta make this quick. I know
you're really dialed into a lot of college circles. I
know primarily it's on the college basketball side, but what's
going on college football wise, particularly with the coaching situation.
It sounds like this Jimmy Sexton thing is real, particularly
as it relates to Penn State his influence over the
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college coaching circles.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Can you talk to me about how that.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Works or what you're picking up in terms of the
influence of the agents when it comes to all this
coaching carousel stuff.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
Well, the agents certainly have a ton of influence, and
they are able to get phenomenal deals for their clients.
I have a hard time believing that he would punish
his own clients by not allowing them to take one
of the most lucrative jobs and one of the most.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Most powerful jobs in college football.
Speaker 10 (37:09):
That one, that one I have a hard time buying
that might he put it put them through it a
little bit because of what happened with with Franklin maybe,
But how how how are you the coach at whatever?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You well, if it's Georgia Tech, you know, like if
if it's the Georgia Tech guy and he's just getting
a lot more money for a coach and at a
place where he's winning and he's comfortable instead of going
to Penn State, Like, I don't think that's the worst.
I don't think that's doing wrong by your clients, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 10 (37:40):
No, no, no, no, no, I mean that's that's his
job is to make him richer and happy where wherever
he wants to be.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And if and if.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
He's happy at Georgia Tech and so and they're willing
to make him richer.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Then yeah, he's gonna do that every time. And and
he's great at it.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
I mean, my goodness, he got big money, uh for Kiff.
And whether Kiffin had stayed at Ole Miss or gone
to Florida or ultimately as it turned out, Lsu, Mike
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'll talk to you on Friday and the Friday Football.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Show sounds great. Tim all right, Mike.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
De Coursi from the Sporting News, Fox and of course
the Big Ten Network. And yeah, catch us on our
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There were sixty six thousand, sixty eight people at Akershar
Stadium on Sunday for the Steelers lost to the Bills.
They all heard Fire Tomlin and they heard the.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Booze for renegade.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Actually, I should say only sixty six thousand and sixty
seven people, because we all know Steeler's owner Art Runny
the Second didn't hear them. He was busy sticking his
fingers in his ears and yelling.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
No no, no, no, na na no no nana, boo boo.
I can't hear you.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
As loud as he could, just to make the chance
go away. If you do that long enough, it's like
they never even happened. Tim Benson for Mark Madden. This
is the Wednesday edition of The Mark Madden Show. Lots
to get to, including Mike de Corsi coming up at
three thirty. I'm sure we'll go round and round about
Mike Tomlin and much much more. Mike from the Sporting
(00:58):
News as well as the Breakfast podcast. He does the
Friday Football Show with me on YouTube and Facebook Live.
You can check it out there. But people could have
been chanting Fire Tomlin through bullhorns in Rooney's face as
he was pulling out of his parking spots Sunday night,
and he still wouldn't have paid attention to Rooney. Calls
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for the dismissal of Mike Tomlin as the franchise as
head coach are the very definition of ambient noise. To Rooney,
you and me saying that Mike Tomlin should be fired,
it's like the hum of rolling tires on a long
trip down the turnpike. It's elevator music, it's cars honking
in midtown Manhattan. He won't even notice. Customer dissatisfaction is
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of no concern to Art Renny the Second, at least
not until it's reflected in repeated losing records or much
more importantly, profit unless Rudy shows somehow that he is
moved by the results in the field and the results
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of the field trickling into the dissatisfaction of his fan base.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But the only thing that's going to affect him when
it comes to the decision to move on from Mike
Tomlin will be ticket sales, merchandising, corporate sponsorships, organizational investment
from minority owners. If those things become marginalized by Tomlin's
presence then and only then will he be likely to
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respond to customer outrage. Short of that, it's like you
and me complaining to the gas company because our rates
are too high.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Eight three, three, four one two ninety nine thirty nine.
That's the number to call.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
If you are an outraged Steelers fan and you want
your voice to be heard on the Mike Tomlin front,
please feel free.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
A phone line is open for you.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
But Rooney sees Tomlin as the coach for life, not
just his own life, but probably Tomlins and yours too,
no matter how old you are. Let's be honest. If
the Steelers lose at least three of their next five
and assure themselves of a losing record for the first
time since two thousand and three, that still won't make
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Rooney pay attention. That narrative will then just shift from yeah,
but Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season to yeah,
but Mike Tomlin's only had one losing season. Understand this
aren't ruy. The second sees you and me as the problem,
not Tomlin. He sees complaining media members and grumbling fans
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as pampered, demanding consumers and critics who have no idea
how good we've got it at six and six with
the NFL's most overpaid defense and most confounding offense.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
In case you haven't heard, we're not the Jets, we're
not the Browns, we're not the Raiders. That's good enough,
don't you know?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That's the new standard to measure the coach who coined
the phrase the standard is the standard. And I'll pause
for a moment to let just sort of sift through
that irony. Think back to art ready, the second sit
down with Ashley Liotis from WTAE last year, last January,
I guess it was this year, But in January, at
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the very end of last season, Rooney had the temerity to,
at least verbally anyway, wag his finger at us and
remind us that the Steelers have had some success around
here and we need to keep it in perspective. Well, okay,
I'm all about perspective. I'll lend some perspective. Twelve of
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the past fourteen seasons, there hasn't been any playoff success
to speak of, and none in the last eight. That's
the longest playoff win drought for the franchise since the
Immaculate Reception The Steelers also went twelve or fourteen seasons
without a playoff win during the perceived dark Ages between
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nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety three. That was between the
end of Super Bowl fourteen through the first two years
of Bill Cower's tenure. That stretch of post steel Curtain
years to end. Chuck Knowles era is spoken of in
like only hushed, fleeting references at the team's headquarters. Its
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existence is barely recognized. It's as if that era didn't happen. Meanwhile,
we celebrate tomlins record of eighty six fifty six and.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Two and zero to five in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Since the start of twenty seventeen is if it's some
sort of major accomplishment. Rooney's current coach is now renowned
for never having a losing season more than he is
for a Super Bowl trophy, which, by the way, is
almost seventeen years old. And just since we're gonna do
some numerology here for a second, a season is seventeen games,
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and over his most recent seventeen games, Tomlin is six
and eleven.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's not a winning record.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
The Steelers last playoff victory was five days before President
Trump's inauguration. The first time. Want some perspective, that's perspective.
A lot of stuff's happened since then. Art so shout,
fire Tomlin all you want. It'll make you feel better,
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makes me feel better. Then I think about it, then
I get madder. You can shout, just don't expect the
right guy to hear it. He'll have his fingers in
his ears still. Maybe if the Steelers are picking in
the top ten of the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh next April,
and that chant happens on national television a dozen times
over or so during the three days when the Steelers
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having all those picks, it'll finally get Rooney's attention.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And if fire Tom Win, Fire Tom Win.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Doesn't resonate for three straight days over twelve picks, try
to sell the team because that one's working out great
for the other owner on the north shore again. Eight three, three, four, one, two,
ninety nine, thirty nine. Those are the numbers to call.
We're playing a lot of sound bites. Tom and I
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were in the first hour of the program on the
pregame show.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Here's one I didn't get to.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I know Tom did yesterday, but it's Ian Rapaport of
the NFL network on this very topic.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Even discussing firing Mike Tomlin is completely ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Now, yes, I heard the chance.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
I understand that that is the reality for some Steelers fans.
But based on my understanding of the situation, let me
lay it out for you. Mike Tomlin is one of
the best coaches in the NFL. If he ever became available,
who'd be snatched up and literally a matter of no
time if he wanted to.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
He's a super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
They make the playoffs every year post consecutive non losing seasons.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Basically ever a lot to unpack there. First of all,
thanks for laid it out for us.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Ian.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
I'm glad you could lay it out for us, because
a small minded folk here in Pittsburgh, we don't have
the capacity to understand it without you laying it out
for us. Well, let me lay out something for you.
They don't make the playoffs every year, didn't make the
playoffs back.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
To back years.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In fact, in twelve and thirteen, didn't make the playoffs
in between Super Bowl teams in two thousand and nine,
didn't make the playoffs in twenty two.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
What years am I skipping? How about twenty eighteen?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
When there were seven to and one at one point
and failed to make the playoffs, or when they were
eight and five at one point in twenty nineteen and
still managed.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
To choke that away. Did I lay it out for
you enough? Ian? Was that good enough?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And the whole notion of him getting a job the
minute that he's let go by the Steelers, great, fine,
go ahead, wonderful. That can't stop you from deciding to
make the move. Andy Reid got a job. Andy Reid's
been successful so of the Eagles, and it's funny like
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you know it, you know how it's gonna go. Eventually
Tomlin will get let go, probably not this year, probably
not for another couple of years. But when they do,
the national reporters like Ian Rappaport will, I'll purse their
little lips up to Art Rooney's backside and start kissing
it as soon as they make their next hire and
talk about how great it is, and however that guy's
gonna be the next tom Win, the next cow or
the next Chuck Nole.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
They will. You know it, I know it.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
So that just rubbed me the wrong, Not that Rapaport
was wrong in what he said. In fact, he's right
in what he said. They're not gonna fire him, they're
not thinking about fire him. That just dovetails exactly what
the monologue I gave you, which is we can talk
about it all we want.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
He's not going to pay attention.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So Rapaport was right about that, But the condescending nature
and the tone in which he delivered it drove me
nuts when I heard that, and the factual inaccuracy of well,
they make the playoffs every year, Well, no they don't,
and then what happens when they get into the playoffs?
Ian and how many teams make the playoffs? And every
conference every year, and each conference every year it's seven,
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all right, It's not as hard to make the playoffs
as it was when Bill Kawer was going through his
lean years, as it was when Chuck Dole was going
through his lean years, when it was four or five
eventually six.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But now it's seven.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So getting the playoffs ain't that big of a deal,
especially if you get pounded on the road and don't
even put up a fight in the playoffs, as they so.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Frequently do on the occasions that they do get in.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Want to play one other SoundBite if you missed it,
This is Ben Roethlisberger talking about the prospect of Mike
Tomlin moving on and how the Steelers should handle it.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Give him a statue, do it, do whatever whatever you
gotta do, because he deserves it, He's earned it. But
it's it's like, Okay, it's time to find that next guy.
And who's that next guy that could that could be
here for the next twenty years.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
I don't know this.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I haven't talked coach talking about it, but but I
think he might say, like, it's time for a fresh
start when you've been in one place in the NFL
for that long, like even the greatest of like you know,
you talk about the Belichicks and the Gibbs and the
Seafferts and the any Reed, Andy Reid, any Reswitch. So
when you know, like and now, do you think he
for one minute regrets it or anybody? I mean, well,
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that's and now that he gos have won since he's left, Yeah,
he's one as best reported. And so again I'm not
trying to like be nasty or this another I just
think that it might be even coach might say it's
time for a change. And again, if that's college, I
don't know if it's pro.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And that's the new narrative that's kind of being built
up that's bothering me.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And again, much like with Rapaport, I think a lot
of what be And said is right. He's right.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
I just gave the Eagles analogy myself that the premise
from where he's coming from is accurate. But they don't
need to build them a statue. And as Ben said
in one of his previous sound bites, you can't fire him,
Mike Tomlin. You have to come to a mutual agreement
in some sort of capacity.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
No, you do not. You can fire him.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
And that's this building narrative of how this is eventually
gonna end in Pittsburgh that it can't and only will
end if Mike Tomlin gives his blessing to be let go,
make a mutual decision, allow himself to be traded. No,
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that's the new who else you're gonna get?
Speaker 2 (12:49):
That's the new what if we become the Jets?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
That's the new angle to this Tomlin dialogue that's gone
on for eight years now. That should drive you crazy
and make your skin when you hear it. It doesn't
have to be with Tomlin's blessing. It doesn't have to
be because they make a mutual agreement and they figure
out a neat way to phrase it in a press release.
It has to be because Artwordy of the second is
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gonna wake up and smell the coffee and say it's
time to move on.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It doesn't have to be because.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Tomlin's okay with it and we have a nice little
handshake on the way out the door.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It might have to be messy.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's okay, because it's been messy since they lost to
the Jaguars in the playoffs at the end of the
twenty seventeen season eight three, three, four, one, two, ninety nine,
thirty nine. And know Mark's doing calls in the fifteen,
so let's get some calls in the fifteens before we
get to Mike de Corsi.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But am I wrong about this? Does it have to
be neat and tidy on the way out the door
with Mike Tomlin? I don't think it does. I don't
think he needs a statue. Ben. I'd rather see you
get a statue.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Lots of other people would rather see get a statue
before Tomlin that deserve it more. He doesn't need a statue.
You need a statue and the whole thing about Penn State.
I am kind of curious, and this is just for
fun because it's it's silly, even though like ESPN is
jumping on it and advancing it as a real conversation.
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But like, what would Penn State fans think if Mike
Tomlin really was the coach?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I got it.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
If you're a Penn State fan, just for fun, I
want your perspective on it.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Eight three, three, four, one two ninety nine, thirty nine.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
This is one oh five nine, the XO the ex
at one oh five nine.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Adam Thielen's number has been revealed. He'll wear number sixteen
in the grand tradition of Robert Woods. I can't believe
they didn't retire it after that. Charlie Baxter, of course
used to wear number sixteen, as did Mark Malone. He
was a wide receiver and a quarterback. He threw the
ball to himself. He was that damn good. You people
should appreciate Mark Malone. Of course, you don't talk about
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that because it was in the eighties. Like I just
got done saying the Steelers don't recognize the eighties because
those are the dark years. But this same similar stretch
of how long it's been to have just two years
that are playoff represented with Mike Tomlin, they've been great
eight three, three, four, one, two, ninety nine thirty nine.
Let's go to the phones and start things off with Jeff,
who's calling from Beaver Jeff, you're on one oh five
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nine the X.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Hey, good day, good day.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
You know I, first off, I couldn't even agree with
you more that Art Rooney has more damage to the
team and since he's own, since he's been owner of
the team than anyone else. Him and Tomlin both included,
have just kind of destroyed the team. But yeah, aren't
statue is supposed to be tom mortalize someone. Are we
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going to immortalize mediocracy by giving statue a Tom given
Tomlin a stay?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, I think and you know, the the huge of it,
appreciate the call, the humor of it. Aside from what
Roethlisberger said, you know, like, I don't think he really
is building a platform to give Tomlin a statue. I
think what he was trying to say is make sure
you move on from the coaching era diplomatically, and they
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can do that without needing his permission to make the change.
I think that's the greater point of what Roethlisberger was
driving at It certainly was when I was talking. I
don't want to get bogged down in the merits of
does Mike Tomlin deserve a statue or not, because I
think we all know that Chuck Knowles should have when first,
if we're talking about coaches, there's about five or six
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players and maybe the guy who owned the team before
that should all get statues before we get to Tomlin.
I don't think that's up for debate, But I think
the greater scope of Ben sort of feeling the need
to segue into his thought by suggesting that is the
larger conversation. That part of the reason the Steelers probably
feel like they can't move on. They don't know how
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to do it diplomatically, and I keep saying it. They
don't have to. They can just say we're done. There
hasn't been a playoff win since twenty sixteen. Twelve of
the last fourteen years. You've only had a playoff win
in four of your years as a coach. You've been
coaching since two thousand and seven, and only four of
those seasons have resulted in playoff victories.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
That's enough. You don't need to blow Mecy Nick calling
from his truck. You're on one O five ninety X.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
Hey Jim. I'm not sure if anybody else did this
research or try to figure it out. I did. I'm
not confident because I did use AI to help me.
But Tomlin's whole winning record thing. I went back to
his first season all the way until now and gathered
up the information of how many wins he has against
teams for each season that had winning records by the
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end of the season. And it's under fifty percent. So
I think that speaks volumes or how important I would
assume if it was someone would have tried to figure
that out.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean, like say, I've kind of gone down
that path from time to time. To make a point,
it's a slippery slope because like, for instance, Cincinnati last year,
you know what if they had a winning record when
he beat them with Joe Burrow and then you know,
lost to them without Joe Burrow at the end of
the season, Like what does that prove or disprove?
Speaker 5 (18:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So, like you get you can get kind of messy
when you get into winning records. Either at the end
of the season or at the time when he beat
the team when they did have a winning record, like
what if it you know, he beat a team that
was six and one at the time and it felt
like a huge win, and then that team lost their
starting quarterback and they only wound up with seven wins
and they finished seven to nine. Well, then it's not
a winning team. So I don't we don't need to
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get that granular about it. The bigger picture discussion is
clear that he hasn't gotten it done since that trip
to the Super Bowl against Green Bay, often enough to merit,
continuing to get extend after extension after extension, and the
last seventeen games. If you want to look at what
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a season is, it's seventeen games. He's six and eleven,
and yet there have been some pretty bad losses against
some pretty good teams that make you feel that this
edition of the Steelers ain't close to competing.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
If you had to choose one instance where the wheels
started falling.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Off, what would that be?
Speaker 4 (19:26):
If you had to choose.
Speaker 8 (19:27):
One where we've just started going downhill, and it's been.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen when they went to in though seven,
seven to two and one and they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
So I'm for me, it's Shazier's injury. It seems like
after Shade that season, I think if Shazier is in
still I think that was a super Bowl team. But
I'm talking like that specific like something that happened, and
I do agree with you. You know that is a good
one in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Go yeah, you know, part of a lot of people
like to dwell on that, but you know, it's a
terrible that happened. But I almost feel like pointing to
something and I appreciate the observation, thanks for the call,
but pointing to something that catastrophic, to me, is almost
a way of letting Tomlin off the hook somehow by
saying this horrible thing happened, How could the franchise ever
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recover from it? Well?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
As terrible as it was.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
I mean, like, would Ryan Shazier still be a top
notch player right now at this stage of his career
all these years later after that? Probably not. He's probably
retired by now. We're no longer a stealer at this point.
So I don't think that analogy holds to where they
are right now in the evolution or the dissolving of
what this franchise used to be. Marty's calling from his car,
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You're on one of five to nine, the ex Marty.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Hey, Tim, good day, good day, Hey, I was calling
him basically, how much influence do you think.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Tomlin would have noticed?
Speaker 9 (20:56):
I say it would if an upcoming draft.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
How much influence do I think tom would have if
he's still here for the upcoming draft? Yes, as much
as he's always said, it wouldn't change one iota.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
I personally don't think he should be here period for that.
Let's get a new coach and see what they might draft.
Something different.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, well that's possible, and we gotta split because we've
got to get to Mike de Corsi next. But if
he stays, it's gonna be status quo. I mean, they're
not gonna relieve him of any power. And can you
imagine what the dynamic would be like if all the sudden,
Art Rooney came to him and said, Okay, Mike, we're
gonna keep you for at least another year, but you're
gonna have nothing to do with personnel this time. It's
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all Omar and Andy Widel and gosh. At this point,
do you trust them, not with the way the roster looks.
Mike de Corsi from The Sporting News next one oh
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Speaker 1 (22:22):
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In from Mark Today, Mike, I'm glad you're on today
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because you can lend a little balance to what I'm
sure for Tomlin supporters and backers feels just like an
all out assault session today because I've been on him,
the callers have been on him. You have been a
longtime supporter, a longtime backer, and someone who has tried
to see the forest through the trees with Tomlin. But
do we have a forest fire now? Can you no
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longer do that?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Well?
Speaker 10 (23:06):
No, I mean I still like, in general, think that
he is the right person for the job. But I
don't think that he's done well this year. I think
that's fairly obvious. Like let's let's say if you've got
sho hey Atani and sho Heeyatani has.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
A year that's probably a big grand a comparison, But.
Speaker 10 (23:28):
It's hard to think of a baseball player when you're
in Pittsburgh him.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So I hope you're not going to yah.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I hope you're not gonna try to make a baseball
analogy to Mike Tomlin and come up with Jack Sawinski.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
That really might drive Mike out of town.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That would be very bad. I think that would then
it would be over.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 10 (23:44):
Let's say you have Ellie daily Cruz and for a
year he hits two forty.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
You don't give up on him.
Speaker 10 (23:49):
You say, hey, come on, Ellie, let's go hit two
seventy five, what do you think?
Speaker 5 (23:53):
And then you try to figure out how you do that?
Speaker 10 (23:55):
And and so I think this is kind of at
this point right now, and there are another four or
five games left, five games left to try to get
it up, the batting average up.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
But at this point, this is his two thirty five year.
Speaker 10 (24:12):
This is them performing at a level that we've not
really seen.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
And I think it's.
Speaker 10 (24:19):
Like they go back to twenty twenty two when they
had the first Kenny Pickett year and they managed to
win nine games, and because there was a reliability to
their defense, even though there was nothing exceptional about the offense,
and they did miss the playoffs, they were in games
and they were and they were not discouraging to their
fans for that reason. But this defense is just so
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inconsistent and so vexing.
Speaker 5 (24:46):
That's it.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
It becomes very difficult to embrace the team. Because they
have had good games, they've had solid games. They've had
games where they did one thing well and not necessarily
the other. They what they have rarely done is say
you're not running through us, and we'll figure it out
on offense, which is what they did a year ago.
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I mean, they won two games last year without scoring
a touchdown, and they made changes, some changes on their
defense that were designed to make it better. Drafting Derek
harmon everything going fine there, but letting a Land and
Roberts go without any great explanation, and then making the
massive change at free safety, which you and I have
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discussed on our show many times.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
They've been calamitous. I mean two those two things have
been colored well.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
The entire rebuilding of the secondary is blown up in
their face. I agree with you on that. I just
I think, Mike, if I'm going to use follow up
to your baseball analogy, I feel like they've been at
two thirty five more than just this year. Whether they're
six and eleven or eight nine and the non losing
streak finally comes to a halt this year, or even
if they're nine to eight and missed the playoffs, it
doesn't feel that different to me than starting out two
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and six and finishing eight and eight or charting out.
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Well, that was that was That was a long time ago,
and that was actually before a great run from twenty
fourteen to No.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
No, no, I'm talking about the year that TJ. Watt
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm talking a few years ago when they were two
and six and they rallied. I guess it might have
been nine and eight instead of eight and eight. But
whatever it was, that was.
Speaker 10 (26:16):
That was the That was the That was the picket year.
And I think that was a much different year than
what you're seeing now because they were throwing Canny Pickett
out there and winning nine games. I mean, now they
bring in Aaron all.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Right, but there were seven two and one and they
they collapsed and missed the playoffs with Ben Roethlisberger and
a b at the height of his powers, you know,
like they they've done it both.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Twenty eighteen, the the the.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
Fumbles and all of that out in Denver and yeah,
and the missfield goals. No, I mean that team, that
team makes the playoffs if Boz doesn't have his only
bad year. I mean, so, I just don't I see
this as being much different than than what we've been
exposed to.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Well do you see it being different?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Because it's hitting everybody that there's no way out. Like
part of the reason I was as frustrated as I
was with any one of these seasons we're debating right now,
Mike is I felt like they had a better chance
to win in those years. I had very low expectations
for this year because I feel like it's getting worse
and they're getting older and they're not backfilling. And that's
what feels haunting to me right now, the future as
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much as the as the present.
Speaker 10 (27:22):
Yeah, the difference is that if you go back to
the middle part of the prior decade, the offense was
starting to explode and you started to see Ben, like
at twenty fourteen, throw for five hundred yards in a game,
et cetera.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
It was starting to really take off.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
And it never came all the way to fruition because
of injuries and such. But they were significant in those
years from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen, and then they
were obviously rebuilding but managing because of a significant defense,
to be competitive when they shouldn't have been.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
That That's what's what I think is too often missed.
Think about this.
Speaker 10 (28:02):
Let's exempt this year from it. But from twenty one
to twenty four they have a winning season and a
couple of playoff years with the ghost of Ben Roethlisberger,
Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky. Pickett, Trubisky and Mason Rudolph
and then you last year you had the ghost of
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Russell Wilson, so like and they and they still won games.
This year you bring in Okay, so now you got
the ghost of Aaron Rodgers. And the offense is worse
and the defense is demonstrably worse. The changes they've made
to the defense have been calamitous.
Speaker 5 (28:40):
That's what's different. Like if people talk about the age,
look around the defense.
Speaker 10 (28:45):
Okay, so Cam's old, all right, TJ's kind of little
bit old, and of course.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
In the back your strong safety is old. Most of
those guys are not that old. Most of the rest
of them are. Some of them are very young.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's not a so that you don't keep them for
the rebuild, then, do you, Mike do you mean Mike Tomlin? Yeah,
you don't keep him in the same regime in charge
for the rebuild, do you.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
Well, I don't think that you're you're saying to see,
First of all, I don't believe in the word rebuild.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
I don't believe in that. I believe what you know.
Speaker 10 (29:21):
When the Penguins were struggling after twenty eighteen, there were
so many people in town saying, well, trade away Crosby
or trade away Malkin or trade away Latang.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
And my solution has never been to trade the good players.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
You keep the people that make you, that give you
a chance to be good, and then you build around it.
And so there's no reason in my mind why you
would say that one of the best coaches in the
history of the league, I mean, top fifteen, top twenty, whatever,
that is not the right person.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Now I have said before, and I said this on
the record.
Speaker 10 (29:59):
I didn't have a platform like the Friday Football Show
a couple of years back, but I said on Twitter
that when they were making the offensive coordinate higher coordinator
hire subsequent to Matt Canada, that Mike should have only
this much input. Everybody else who's in power decides who
they want, and then Mike takes him to dinner and
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sees if he can work with us. And you only
get to say no once anybody. If the first guy
is a no, then the next guy's getting hired, no
matter whether you enjoy yourself over your stake or not.
That would have been my approach to the last coordinator higher.
And he may say if you go in and say, okay,
you've got to make changes on your staff, he may
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say I'm not doing that, And at that point then
maybe you have to move forward.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
But I don't move on from somebody like.
Speaker 10 (30:48):
This that's really good at what he does until until
he stops being really good at what he does. And
even this team has managed to be six and six
despite a defense that is is like the the old
cartoon where there's there's water coming out of the dam,
and so somebody puts a finger in it or a
hole a hand over it, and then the water starts
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coming out the other side, and sooner or later you
run out of hands.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
That's the twenty twenty five Steelers.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Defense, Mike.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I don't know if you saw what Ben Roethlisberger said
on his podcast, his video stream, if you heard it,
if you saw the quotes from not I'm trying to
figure out what I like better. The idea of building
Mike tom on a statue before they fire him, or
him taking over at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Which one did you find more entertaining?
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Oh, that's funny. I like that. That's good. It is
very funny.
Speaker 10 (31:38):
And you know, Penn State obviously has concerns about their
coaching higher.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
It's gone on a long time and a lot.
Speaker 10 (31:46):
Of people are either committed to where they are or
going elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
So that's a that's a difficult situation.
Speaker 10 (31:54):
But I don't think this necessarily needs to be Okay,
what I sometimes I'm kind of what bothers me about
this This sort of conversation is when people say that
coach's voice has gotten steel, what they're really saying is,
I really want to just yell at somebody else. I'm
tired of yelling at this guy. He's not listening to
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me anyway, so I'm tired of yelling at him. I
want to yell at somebody else. I keep looking at
the teams that have moved on from significant NFL coaches.
New Orleans gets rid of Sean Payton, he goes, He
goes up to Denver.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
They're now one of the.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Best teams in the league, and New Orleans is one
of the worst teams in the league. Tennessee gets rid
of Mike Rabel, he goes it, gets a job in
New England. They're one of the best teams in the league,
and the Titans are definitively the worst team in the league.
Miami gets rid of their coach and they bring in
Mike McDaniel, and he's going to be a genius and everything,
and they're a mediocre at best team. So now I
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don't buy the idea that you need to move on
from the coach. That doesn't mean that you sit back
and let the coach do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Uh, he has bosses and they need to do their jobs.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, And but it also doesn't mean that the new
coach coming in can't make it work. I mean, like
even though Rabel coached somewhere else, sure, but he's new
with the Patriots. They're eleven and two. Jacksonville's got a
first time coaching, Lee and Cohen. They're leading the South,
first time head coaching Demiico Ryans. The Texans are on
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the verge of making it. Shane Steiken currently in a
playoff position with Indianapolis Ben Johnson nine and three atop
the NFC.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
So, like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 10 (33:36):
Glad you brought up Shane Steiken, Okay, because they were
ready to fire.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
Him in Indianapolis.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
Then they were ready to build the statue after nine
games or so, and now they're starting to think about
tearing the statue down before the even buildings and and well.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Then he should go to Penn State.
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Obviously, yes, exactly. That's see.
Speaker 10 (33:56):
That's the point is, Yeah, some guys have had a
good run, and the pieces are in place and all that,
maybe you can walk into a good situation.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
But I don't.
Speaker 10 (34:06):
Believe in in getting rid of a coach that I
believe continues to do his job effectively. I don't think
that they're having a peak year, and I think they
made some significant personnel errors and hit whatever input he
had into the trade of Mika Fitzpatrick, whatever input he
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had into deciding to let a land and Roberts walk
for no reason and no money those and even I'll
even go to nause because if you're gonna sit here
and tell me that Jalen Warren can't be in every
down back and can't carry the ball twenty times a game,
then you should have paid nause Is the seven million
option and kept him.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, because you don't believe in it, clearly.
Speaker 10 (34:53):
I mean, a week ago, you're playing the thirtieth ranked
rush defense in the in the league, and I know
that Buffalo ganged up and showed you these all these
formations with the nine guys and all that, and they
didn't respect your pass game. So you thought, okay, well,
we'll we'll crank that out and we'll throw over the
top and we'll beat them. But you didn't rush against
the thirtieth best team in the league. You didn't run
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for anything. And part of that was that you didn't
believe in your running back. Because they've Sunday wasn't the
only occasion they've consistently not shown any belief in Jalen
Warren as an every downrunner.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, clearly they've learned their lesson when it comes to
their personnel moves, as is evident by going out and
getting thirty five year old Adam Thielen.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Yeah, well, I you know, I don't have any problem
with that, and I'll tell you why, because you've got
salary cap money that's just sitting there collecting.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Interest I suppose not dust interest. At least money collects interest.
And so he's out there and you don't put anything
at risk by bringing him.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
No, you're not risking anything. It's just it.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'm rolling my eyes out it because it feels like
he's the wide receiver version of who just left cornerback
with Darius Slay.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
You know it just it may be he's not done
anything this year.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
He's only two years removed from a very significance season.
I think close to anything close to eighty catches. I
don't think that he's going to add anything. But but
like I said, you have zero to lose except the
interest on the money that was sitting in the bank.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Hey, real quick, Mike, I only got about forty five
seconds here, so I gotta make this quick. I know
you're really dialed into a lot of college circles. I
know primarily it's on the college basketball side, but what's
going on college football wise, particularly with the coaching situation.
It sounds like this Jimmy Sexton thing is real, particularly
as it relates to Penn State his influence over the
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college coaching circles.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Can you talk to me about how that.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Works or what you're picking up in terms of the
influence of the agents when it comes to all this
coaching carousel stuff.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
Well, the agents certainly have a ton of influence, and
they are able to get phenomenal deals for their clients.
I have a hard time believing that he would punish
his own clients by not allowing them to take one
of the most lucrative jobs and one of the most.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Most powerful jobs in college football.
Speaker 10 (37:09):
That one, that one I have a hard time buying
that might he put it put them through it a
little bit because of what happened with with Franklin maybe,
But how how how are you the coach at whatever?
Speaker 1 (37:23):
You well, if it's Georgia Tech, you know, like if
if it's the Georgia Tech guy and he's just getting
a lot more money for a coach and at a
place where he's winning and he's comfortable instead of going
to Penn State, Like, I don't think that's the worst.
I don't think that's doing wrong by your clients, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 10 (37:40):
No, no, no, no, no, I mean that's that's his
job is to make him richer and happy where wherever
he wants to be.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
And if and if.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
He's happy at Georgia Tech and so and they're willing
to make him richer.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Then yeah, he's gonna do that every time. And and
he's great at it.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
I mean, my goodness, he got big money, uh for Kiff.
And whether Kiffin had stayed at Ole Miss or gone
to Florida or ultimately as it turned out, Lsu, Mike
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
I'll talk to you on Friday and the Friday Football.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
Show sounds great. Tim all right, Mike.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
De Coursi from the Sporting News, Fox and of course
the Big Ten Network. And yeah, catch us on our
live stream on YouTube at trib Sports for our Friday
football show for Trib Live. And he's on with Mark
each and every Wednesday right here on one of five
nine The X.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You're home for the Pens. In fact, we'll talk some Pens.
We come back here in.
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The X July Show Mark Madden all the Penns games,
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