November 25, 2025 • 34 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tom We got a SoundBite the Penguins coach Dan Muse.
He was mad about the way the team performed Saturday
and Friday at the press conference after the Penguins lost
in overtime to Seattle on Saturday. Turns out he was
angry er in the dressing room.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Here's some sound secreted out of the locker room.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Dan Muse addressing the Penguins after that lost to Seattle.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And for those of you who think you've got no practice,
tomorrow six am, dogscape, I want to see every single
wann yet work hitasses off until you if you.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Can, got sound.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is not baseball. Do you want to make the
playoffs or not?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
That's well put and this is not effing baseball. Penguins
at home tomorrow night, Buffalo visits. You know what's a
big hit on the jumbo tronic Penns games. We were
just talking about maybe putting Cutch in a Perogi suit
as a mystery parogi for races this coming year at
PNC Park. But at Penguins games, they do an animated
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Duncan Donuts race on the JumboTron like the Parogi race
at PNC.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I forget.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's like a donut, a cup of coffee. I forget
what else is racing, but the crowd really loves it,
like when they got beat five nil by Minnesota Friday,
the biggest hit of the night in rightly was the
Duncin donuts race.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Pablo torri Is is great in sports media because he
actually makes sense. I'm a big fan, and he said
something I believe for years, The saturation of sports by
gambling will ruin how we look at sports, and I
think that's already happening. The saturation of sports by gambling
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is diluting what Tory calls the cultural supremacy of sports
in America because fans up till now rooted for their
team uber atus, but now fans are gonna root for
payouts and not teams. And when gambling was kind of
a secret thing, illegal you did it with your bookie,
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that wasn't as prevalent. But now rooting for payouts and
not teams is everywhere. And I think we've seen that
already with fantasy leagues. Fantasy leagues and gambling just have
ruined how we look at sports. Fantasy leagues and gambling
making about me and not us. That's why I stopped
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doing fantasy hockey. I didn't want to root for guys
to score against the Penguins. So get your calls in
now for calls on the fifteens UH eight three three
four one two WSDX. Let's get back to Steeler talk
is almost mandatory. They had a very interesting conversation on
(03:03):
get Up about Philadelphia's offense. They said the Eagles offense
is too simple, to elementary and rudimentary the.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Words they used.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now, if that's true about Philadelphia's offense, which just won
a Super Bowl, where does that leave these Steelers in
their offense is prehistoric, which the Steelers offense is is prehistoric,
worse than rudimentary. Get Up talked about the Steelers offense too,
called it limited.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, I'll say it's limited now.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
As we've discussed on the show all week, George Pickens's
breakout in Dallas makes the Steelers look very bad. But
to be clear, Pickens would not be having the season
he's having in Dallas here with the Steelers, or even
a very good season not in that Steelers offense just
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wouldn't happen. So all y'all who think things would be
better if they kept George Pickens, Nah, not for the Steelers,
certainly not for George Pickts. He'd just be mad and
statless and targetless and pissed off.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We've been debating.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
How do you fix the Steelers because a lot of
other people doing what I do, were trying to figure
that out. I don't think they can be fixed. We'll
talk to the FABO about that. At four point thirty.
I had somebody last night remark how did they beat
Indian New England, who lead their division? And the answer
is lock.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It was lock.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You got eleven turnovers combined in those games, and maybe
you took some of those, but maybe the Colts and
Patriots gave most of them. I feel like the Steelers
are lucky to be six and five, Like six and
five right now is more than they deserve. I'm not
saying the standings lie a ton, but I think they
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might lie a little bit. Your calls on the fifteens
and now it will be so fetch.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I gotta give a report.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Eddie Johnston's ninetieth birthday party last night, which I was
so honored to attend, was just fantastic. At Kenny Reagan's
place thirty one in Bridgeville. Kenny and Nicole and everybody
involved in just a great job. EJ, his wife Diane,
all the Johnstons. Every couple should be like EJ and Diane.
(05:27):
EJ's young grandson said, they listened to this show, so
hi kids, that's awesome. Great kids. Like I said last night,
I'm still gonna swear, And it was like a Penguins
Who's who Craig Patrick, all the current guys in management,
Kyle Dubas, Dan Muse, Jason Spetza, Staggy and Brian Trodier,
m Seed, Troy Loney, Tyler Kennedy, Bob Aerry, Greg Malone,
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Rick Key, O, Chico Back, Kolby Armstrong, Mark Kachowski, Rocky Saganut,
my pys therapist, Jim Kittelberger who's worked with the Penguins
for so very long, Mister Electricity, Dave Mullinery, the dean
of hockey writers, Donnie Iris, My god, Donnie was there.
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If I'm forgetting anybody, it's understandable because so many people
were there. Please forgive me. EJ's friends from Montreal, who
are a hoot.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Sidney Crosby was there with his lovely girlfriend Kathy. Just
a great couple. Remind me of EJ and Diane, albeit
a lot younger Sid out in the wild. He's just
so gracious and awesome and so just He's Sidney Crosby.
And a lot of people had kids and grandkids there,
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and that's great because Eddie Johnston needs to be remembered always.
He is a thoroughly good man. He taught me so much.
He defines hockey, not least in Pittsburgh. And I love EJ.
And last night was absolutely terrific. I found myself wondering
at Sid's ninetieth birthday party will be like, I won't
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be there, but well, I mean, we know one thing,
He'll still be playing on five ninety.
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Speaker 3 (07:30):
You know it's good.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Mace is always a component of any nice date.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Thank you for making my day.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah what you said?
Speaker 8 (07:37):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
Time for calls on the fifteens, which is apparently gonna
have good days and bad days, but you can still
get in eight three, three, four one two WXDX. I
guess you're not mad about the Steelers anymore like you
were yesterday.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I'm not saying they're done, but you can flip them over.
This side's pretty or.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, they're just they're just not a very good team
and they're run horribly, and you know, people talk about
the coach. It's amazing that people still think Tomlin's a
good coach because Tomlin's incompetence and the incompetence of his staff,
and really the incompetence of ownership too. Omar Khan as well.
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You can't overachieve in that circumstance. Their roster's not very good,
but the way they're run gives them zero chance to overachieve.
And I would love to know what Aaron Rodgers really
thinks of this, wouldn't you. I don't think this is
at all what he bargained for when he signed in
Pittsburgh at any level, personnel, playbook coaching. I don't think
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it measured up to what he thought it would be
at any level. Then I'm gonna call again eight three
three four one two w XDX. Let's go to Andrew.
Andrew in the car, you're only double.
Speaker 9 (09:01):
M hey, Mark loving the calls on the fifteen segment.
Speaker 10 (09:07):
I think it is so fetch. Wanted to get rid
of a little bit of hockey talk. Yes, yeah, I'd
be glad to the Penguins. Yes, they're three four and
three in their last ten, which I don't need to
tell you that's not good. But wanted to get your
perception on potentially losing the Buffalo tomorrow night. Does that
change our perception on the season. Does it change how
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the Penguins view themselves?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Going to well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Think you get your perception changed on the season, even
if you would lose tomorrow night in a season that's
only a quarter the way through, despite the significance of
being or not being in a playoff Birth of Thanksgiving
when those who are make the playoffs seventy seven point
five percent of the time. But you know it's a
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bad conference. You know there's ground to be made up.
The loser point keeps teams in it. But I think
Tomorrow night's a game they need to win. It's certainly
very winnable. That said, buff who aren't very good, have
won four of their last five, and Tates Thompson scored
in six straight games, and they got that goalie with
the goofy name back upl or whatever, who's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He was injured. So, uh, it's a game they need
to win, but it won't be easy.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
Absolutely, fill up the gravy boats and let's get ready
to play.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Let's go to Jackie Jackie and Jefferson Hills. Jackie're on
with double.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
M hey mark for all of the Steeler fans who
are absolute apologists for Mike Tomlin and Root and aren't
the second and Omar Kahn thinking that the Steelers can
never do no wrong. Do you feel like that the
vast majorities of those fans are under the age of
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like twenty seven or twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I felt, and I've said that younger fans, younger people,
they're less demanding, they they're not result space. They just
like the Steelers. And if the Steelers are bad or
the Pirates are bad, or whoever's bad, and they like them,
they'll just say they're good. I'm right, you don't know
Ball that's their mo. So I don't know about the
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demographic breakdown, but you might be onto something that said.
I think the notion that the Steelers and Tomlin could
do no wrong. I think that's kind of dying on
the vine right now, don't you. Maybe not universally, but
I think they're certainly large pockets.
Speaker 9 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, I do. And the reason why I and
how I came up with that age group is because
I was eighteen the last time the Steelers won the
Super Bowl. I'm almost thirty five right now, and I
feel like Steeler fans from that age group, if they
were like eight or ten years old or whatever, I
feel like they're probably not old enough to remember what
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really went into those teams in the mid to late
two thousands as to why they were so successful.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
And I could tell.
Speaker 9 (11:57):
You from what I've seen in the last ten twelve
years or so, this ain't it. It sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Let's go to Steve.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Steve, you're on with double M.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
Hey, Mark, got a question for you, Aaron Rodgers. You
keep saying that you know this is not what he
bargained for. Do you think he was fooled by Tomlin
and the Steelers that they see all the right things.
I mean, he's been a fraud for how long? How
did you fall for this? And expect better coming up?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But the general consensus among those are on the NFL
is that Tom Wins a Hall of Famer, not a fraud.
I just think that Rogers was fooled by the name,
maybe painted into a corner because he didn't have any
other offers wanted to go to Minnesota. They didn't want him,
and maybe they should have. Then again, the way Rogers
is killed off and now he's hurt, maybe not. I
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thought at one point that Minnesota would want Rodgers next year.
Now I don't think there's any way the right move
for them would have been the franchise Donald But I digress. Yeah,
I just think that Rogers thought that he could win
to some degree coming here, and I think the reasons
that it isn't happening isn't on him.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I don't think he's the.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
MVP Rodgers, but I think he's a good enough to
have a better record than this with this roster version
of Aaron Rodgers, and the coaching has let him down,
and the roster assembly too, But I think this roster
could overachieve given better coaching.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Yeah, if they let him do what he wanted, maybe
that's what he thought. He could come in and do
what he wanted and he would have success. But they're
just thwarting his efforts. And maybe it's a good point
though that he did have no nowhere to go and
that was it. So he had to thank you for
the call.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And by the way, a couple of colors back, a
guy said that, you know about the excuse making for
the Steelers, I think that's more on the local media's
behalf now than the fans like Kabali, like people you know,
are saying the Steelers don't throw over the middle. Kabali
put up a video of a pass over the middle
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against Chicago and said, who says the Steelers don't throw
in the well? Kamoom, that's one time. That's one time.
I mean, you know, let's talk about Williamson. Let's get
the numbers, because they don't throw over the middle. They
don't take deep trucks either, they just don't. Let's go
to Nick in the truck, Nick fire Away.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
Hey, Mark, I'm not sure if you know or Tommy
Radio knows, but when Aaron Rodgers did sign was Pickens
still on the team.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, because for like a little overlap in the offseason,
the Steelers did have a really good number two receiver,
but it wasn't Pickens.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
As it turns out, it was Metcalf.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
Right, So with Pickens and Metcalf, I do give more
respect to that duo if it was here. I do agree.
Maybe it wouldn't be as good as Ceedee Lamb and Pickens,
but you know, with with him on the outside of
Metcalf and a slot and then you have your tight
ends who Rogers does use. I think that could have
been a very dangerous offense with those No, no.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
No, it could have been.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Have you listened to a word I've said for the
last couple of days, Okay, you could have Metcalf and Pickens.
You could have Metcalf and Pickens and Jerry Rice in
his mfing prime on that offense, and with Arthur Smiths
coordinating and with the pop gun quarterbacks they have, it
wouldn't be much better.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
They don't know how to get anybody the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
What would make you think the different personnel, why that
would change it?
Speaker 11 (15:22):
Because I think when Rogers is then Arthur smith is
not calling the place that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, then Rogers is calling pretty bad place too.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You just don't know what you're talking about. Goodbye, You
just don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
There you go acting like things could be better if this,
if that, if the other. It's the coaching and the
roster assembly and the administration and the team and the
owner and the GM and everybody that's flawed and there's
no escaping it with that major change over.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Let's go to Eric. Hi, Eric.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Double am, good day.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I said, good day.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
I just wanted I wanted to mention, Uh, whenever you
compared the rudimentary offense of the Eagles to the Steelers
pre historic offense.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, I didn't. I didn't compare, but.
Speaker 12 (16:13):
Go ahead, Oh I'm sorry, I mean, get.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Get up called it rudimentary. They called the Steelers offense limited.
I said, if the Eagles offense is rudimentary, where's that
leave the Steelers? I mean, the Eagles obviously have a
much better offense even if it is rudimentary.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Right, But that reminds me of Chuck Noll's quote.
Speaker 12 (16:35):
Champions are champions not because they do things extraordinary, but
because they do ordinary things better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
El I love Chuck Nole how long has he been dead? Again? Goodbye?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Okay calls on the fifteenh tremendous love Chuck Noll, But
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T is this season Welcome show? Oh if I won
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did about Tomlin blaming special teams, kickoffs and punts uh
for the loss against Chicago. Partly, Yoey tweeted, he's a
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Speaker 2 (18:29):
For some reason. He's in Ireland again. Always great to
talk pucks with the great Pierre Maguire. Pierre, why are you.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
In Ireland for the second time within the last what
five or six weeks?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
In the last three weeks, Mark, and it's great to
talk with you. I'm actually here because of a thing
called the Friendship four which is in Belfast, Ireland, and
this is a tournament this year with riit with Sacred
Heart University, with Miami University not Miami, me in Florida
about Miami, and of Ohio and Union College out of
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Schenecta in New York. Last year we had Harvard and
Boston University and Notre Dame here and Merrimack. We had
four amazing teams, and next year it's going to be
off the charts. But all I can say is I
come here because these people care so much about hockey.
We're trying to grow the hockey brand around the world,
and the biggest thing to me is that they use
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hockey as a motivational tool to try and solve things socially.
And I think it's an amazing cause and I'm really
proud to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Sounds terrific. The Penguins right now not so terrific. They've
lost eight out of eleven. They're in a fun How
bad is it to your mind?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I don't think it's as bad as everybody thinks.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I've been watching all their games and I understand what's
going on, and I work with, as you know, Paul
steigerol and all the pregame shows. I think the biggest
thing is people have to understand and give this team
a little wiggle room. First of all, I think they've overachieved,
so which is a good thing, not a bad thing. Secondly,
the trip to Europe is never an easy thing. It's
a tough thing. I go through it all the time.
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You correctly said me being here in Ireland again for
the second time in three weeks, and I'll be back
here before the end of December, by the way, so
I know how hard it is. And I think the
third thing, which is really important is this is a
young team that's trying to figure out their roles, and
it's a young coaching staff at the NHL level. At
the NHL level, I stress that trying to figure out
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what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
They're zero and five in overtime and shootouts. That ain't good.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You ain't gonna make the playoffs giving away all those points.
How do I improve with that? Because those are two
things you can practice in Pierre. But I don't think
three on three or shootouts. Well, shootouts do, but three
on three doesn't necessarily lend itself to practice, does it.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
No, it does not. That's so smart. It's such a
good statement. I totally agree. Three on three is an
exercise and skill and talent and veteran experience more than
anything else, and a lot of times it's the speed
quoting of your team. So Mark, you're not wrong, I'm
a at all. You're one hundred percent right. It's hard,
you know, it's it's a limited situation for Pittrick right now.
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They more times than not, they got to try to
win games in regulation. They know that. I know that,
and most people in the NHL know that. You know
I coached in the league. When you know there were
no extra points for losing in overtime, and our team
missed by not very many and I think we lost
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eighteen overtime points. My point in this, on this whole
thing is it's it's great that there's an extra point
for getting to overtime. It's really important that you make
sure you get two points, not one point.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, that loser point kind of skews the standings, and
I think some teams learn to settle.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Not the Penguins, not so far anyway. But that's a
bad thing. Now.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
The Stars are still producing Pierre Sidons. You know, each
scored in that loss to Seattle on Saturday. It seems
the problems offensively are more about secondary scoring.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Oh my gosh, is it ever so well said and
so smart? Agreed? You know again, they're not. This is
a young team kind of find itself. I talked about
it today on Canadian radio. The truth of the matter
is most people did not have Pittsburgh even relatively close
to the playoffs at this time of the season. I
think coach Muse and the staff have done a great job.
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I think the goaltending tanum has been really solid to date.
There's a team that's probably overachieved a little bit, to
be fair, and I'd much prefer to be the Pittsburgh
Penguins right now than the National Predators. I'll take one
team from the Ease and one team from the West.
And so the truth is that I still think there's
hope for this group. They're going about it in a
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proper way, and I'm pretty excited about their groups, though,
I really am.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Penguins have the number one power play in the league,
the number five PK, and that's great, but that can't
really come through every game in Canada, and it kind
of master your deficiencies five on five at least, I
think that's the case with the Penguins right now.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Oh, it's basking it totally. Absolutely it is. And I'm
a big fan of the special Teams quote that was
created by Scottie Bowman, where you add on the power
play percentage and the penalty of percentage. As you want
to compete to the Cup, you need to be one
oh five or better. And so no, that's absolutely true,
that's one hundred percent correct. Again, this is a team
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that most fans I think, if they're being fair with, say, Mark,
we've got a chance to be competitive this year. Let's
hope you can get the extra points a little bit
like Montreal and Ottawa last year, so that we can
get into the playoffs. I think most fans before the
season started in Pittsburgh thought that this was not a
playoff team. I think now people think, you know what,
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let's let's kind of get gree a little bit. Let's
hope that we can make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We're talking to ber Maguire's brought to us by always
say flagging and traffic control. Pierre Raquel's out for a
little bit longer. How good has mcgrorty been. What do
you hear about his performance since returning from injury in Wilkes.
I heard he's been dynamite. At what point is he
ready to be called up after having come back, like
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like I said, from surgery.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Well, I watch all their games. I watched a lot
of games in the American Hockey League. I watched a
lot of games in the East Coast Hockey League. That's
we knew about Murshaw last year. I think you and
I talked about him, right, and so the truth is
that he's getting really close all the time. The one
thing I caution, just because I've been through it a lot,
is an evaluate and also as a coach, as a
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management person, you can't just rush guys out of injury
situations from thinking, oh, yeah they're dominating the American League
and come up and play in the NHL. Yes, they
have this. This player definitely has a chance and will
be an NHL player on an everyday BASI. I think
they're being smart, just being careful with his development. I
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think that's probably the best word, careful with his development
right now.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You know I agree with that, But again, you know,
with Raquel out, I mean it's mattered a lot. I mean,
any injury with this team is going to have drastic effect.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Dan mus was mad after Saturday's loss and said, so
is that good? Does that push a team? Because Sully
kinda he kind of walked lightly even when things were bad.
You had to read his expression. Dan Mwes made things
perfectly clear, didn't he?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
It did, And I like that again. I've walked in
his shoes before. I've taken an underachievement team and made
them very close to being a playoff team. So at
one point you have to decide as a staff are
we gonna push or are we gonna sit back? And
I think he's done the right thing because he does
have Crosby, because he does have Malcolm, because he does
have Carlton, because he does have with dang, and because
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he's got a pretty good tanem and goal right now
where he feels, you know what, we have a chance
to do this and he's in a very I think
the best word is fluid fluid division in the metro
right now where they have a legitimate chance to make
the playoffs. So I'm glad that he actually did that.
At the beginning, he was kind of a nice guy, surpy, nice, polite,
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and all of a sudden he showed his players. You
know what, I'm determined on hard, I'm on it, I'm
gonna lean on it. And I think players appreciate that.
The players don't want to sit at home watch the
playoffs at home. They want to be on the road
and they want to compete and win in the playoffs,
and the coaches setment good tone for it. I like,
what Dan, did I really do?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Buffalo is in town tomorrow. The Sabers have won four
out of five. Page Thompson scored in six straight game,
which is very impressive. I like the goal of UPL.
I can't pronounce his name, I use his initials. I'm
gonna stick with UPL Pierre. But are the Sabers legitimately
a team on the rise because we've been waiting a
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long time, So Sabers fans, you know what.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I know. There's a big robbery of Pittsburgh and Buffalo.
I coached in it, so I get it. And there
was also a huge one with Hartford and Buffalo, by
the way, and I coached that too. I think the
biggest thing is that with Buffalo they have enough skill,
they have enough talent, and they've got to coach. It's
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way undervalue Lindy ruffs way undervalued. All that being said,
I don't know if they're deep enough. I really don't,
But I also think they got all legitimate chances because
of the turmoil that's been involved in it. With all
the injuries this year in both the Metro in the
Atlantic mark you look at all the injuries, it's just
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mind chattering. So the fact that you know, Toronto in
particular has had a terrible start to the year, Montreal's
kind of taking a step back a little bit, Detroit's
been up and down, Ottawa has been one of the
more consistent, Boston has been surprising. I think that, yeah,
Buffalo's got a chance to be a playoff team for sure. Pierre.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It seems to talk about Logan Cooley every week, the
local kid from West Smithlin and last goals for you
to talk four goals and helper, Pierre, I'm so worried
Logan won't make the US Olympic team, and I'm on
record as saying if he doesn't, I will storm the capitol.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
You have every right to. I don't know what side
of the political aisle that you lean on, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Matter, no, no, no, either side. I just want Logan
on the US Olympic team.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yeah, this this I was just gonna say. This has
nothing to do with politics. But all I'll say is this,
he belongs on that team. I think we talked about
this a couple of weeks ago. Look, Clayton Keller's on
his team. He's on that team. There are a lot
of really skilled American players. Austin Matthews is hurt right now.
The injury situation where Timos is really dire. But I
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would say one thing. One of the most consistent guys
has been Logan Cooley. Logan Cooley, and you know what,
I'm going to tell you this. My late and best friend,
ray Erroll, the former general manager of the Pittsburgh Penguins,
used to tell me all the time, Pierre, there's a
kid coming up. I used to babysit him and ray
did Logan Cooley? I know, ray Baby said him. And
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Ray used to tell me all the time, Pierre, I'm
telling you right now, this guy's really good. And he
was right. He was one hundred percent right. So I
would hope that Logan would have a legitimate opportunity on Timusa.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Who's he remind you of.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I've tried to draw parallels between him and players we've
seen it in the past.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I see a little bit of sit in him. Maybe
that's unfair. Who does he remind.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
You of Patty laugh on Taine's I say, I see
a lot of Patty laugh on Tanna, and there's some
sit in him, for sure, there's some cite. It's hard
not to if you're a kid that grew up in
Pittsford and you watched it over the last twenty years.
It's hard enough to think that you're going to be
sitting in Crosby. You know, I grew up in Montreal.
I was a defenseman. I wanted to be Larry Rottinson.
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I nineteen all the time. I was never as tall
as him. I thought there were similarities in our game,
but he was just way better than me.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So I always say that, you know, Sid would be
one guy, But athletically speaking, I think he and Pat
Lafon team are very very similar, very similar.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Pierre Eddie Johnston turned ninety yesterday. I was at his
birthday party last night. I know you're a big fan.
EJ built the game. I mean, in some ways he
defines his era of hockey, doesn't.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
He he does, and man, oh man, what a job
he did for the Pittsburgh Penguins. And you know, Mark,
I just got to tell you this what one of
the most emotional times I ever had. And this is
probably off color, but it's great for your listeners. I
coached against Eddie's team. I was coaching Hartford, Eddie was
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coaching Pittsburgh and I caught Yarmoy yarder with an illegal
stick and was Yarmou was really mad at me. We
tied the game late, and eventually they won because Yarmers
scored coming out of the penalty box after I called
that illegal stick. We couldn't score on the power play,
and Eddie wanted to get after it with me, and
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I was picked off, and I had so much respect
for him, but I was not going to back down.
And James Patrick, my former defenseman, grabbed me and said,
You're not going over there, are you nuts? And so
it was pretty amazing. But what I can tell you
is I've been friends with him forever. My late great
friend Ray Schiero adored him to the max. Eddie was
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a huge part of those Pittsburgh Penguin runs in the
final you know eight nine. He definitely played a role
even though what wasn't with us in ninety one and
ninety two, And I know he's a very proud member
of the sixteen and seventeen teams that won the Cup.
Eddie's a phenomenal, phenomenal hockey man, a great human being,
and he's done so much for the growth of the game.
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I can tell you that. And again as too, probably
a big raised Irish people. As I say that from Delpha, Ireland.
We almost went at it one year and I'm sixty
four and he's ninety, and he still wanted to get
after it, which I have so much respect for. So
I will never ever ever doubt his determination as professionalism
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and one thing.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I want people to remember it. And I'm old enough
and so were you to have seen this. He was
a great goalie.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean he won two Cups and the one he
went on in the seventy two playoffs when the Bruins
beat New York in the final. I mean that's one
of the better playoff goaltending performances I've seen.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I don't think people understand that, like they don't honestly,
they don't. Like Eddie was an elite goal He and
Jared Cheevers were phenomenal forever with the Boston Bruins. Great
Teddy was a great player, Great Tanem the great Scottie
Bowman obviously my mentor, an amazing friend and dear friend
of Pittsburgh Penglin hockey. He and Eddie are unbelievably tight.
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You know, Scotty's ninety two right now. He used to
tell me all the time just how great a goalie
Eddie was as a junior, as an American League goalie,
as an NHL goalie. I know where all the bodies
are buried on this one, and I'm telling you right now,
they're not making any of that stuff up. Eddie was
phenomenal in so many different facets of the game.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Pierre has always great stuff and joy Ireland will do
it again next week.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
I can't wait. I'll be back. I'll be back in
North America looking forward to it. Take care of Mark,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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Speaker 2 (33:41):
By the way, I.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Misspoke talking about Rockger McGroarty. They do not have surgery,
but it'd been at a long term with a upper
body injury. Recently returned to play for Wilkes in the AHL,
the Penguins farm team, and is ripping it up. So
maybe we'll see him in Pittsburgh sooner or not later.
Tristan bros Is it his NHL debut or just season debut.
(34:02):
I think it's his first NHL game tomorrow night for
the Penguins when Buffalo visits, assuming he dresses, which, boy,
you know, we used to do that all the time
with Sully.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Call a guy up and scratch him. That sucked. Hope, Dan,
don't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
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Speaker 2 (34:23):
This hour, The Mark Maddon Show is brought to you.
Bye bye. Blight probably served a palmer
Tom We got a SoundBite the Penguins coach Dan Muse.
He was mad about the way the team performed Saturday
and Friday at the press conference after the Penguins lost
in overtime to Seattle on Saturday. Turns out he was
angry er in the dressing room.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Here's some sound secreted out of the locker room.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Dan Muse addressing the Penguins after that lost to Seattle.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
And for those of you who think you've got no practice,
tomorrow six am, dogscape, I want to see every single
wann yet work hitasses off until you if you.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Can, got sound.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
This is not baseball. Do you want to make the
playoffs or not?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
That's well put and this is not effing baseball. Penguins
at home tomorrow night, Buffalo visits. You know what's a
big hit on the jumbo tronic Penns games. We were
just talking about maybe putting Cutch in a Perogi suit
as a mystery parogi for races this coming year at
PNC Park. But at Penguins games, they do an animated
(01:06):
Duncan Donuts race on the JumboTron like the Parogi race
at PNC.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I forget.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's like a donut, a cup of coffee. I forget
what else is racing, but the crowd really loves it,
like when they got beat five nil by Minnesota Friday,
the biggest hit of the night in rightly was the
Duncin donuts race.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Pablo torri Is is great in sports media because he
actually makes sense. I'm a big fan, and he said
something I believe for years, The saturation of sports by
gambling will ruin how we look at sports, and I
think that's already happening. The saturation of sports by gambling
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is diluting what Tory calls the cultural supremacy of sports
in America because fans up till now rooted for their
team uber atus, but now fans are gonna root for
payouts and not teams. And when gambling was kind of
a secret thing, illegal you did it with your bookie,
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that wasn't as prevalent. But now rooting for payouts and
not teams is everywhere. And I think we've seen that
already with fantasy leagues. Fantasy leagues and gambling just have
ruined how we look at sports. Fantasy leagues and gambling
making about me and not us. That's why I stopped
(02:42):
doing fantasy hockey. I didn't want to root for guys
to score against the Penguins. So get your calls in
now for calls on the fifteens UH eight three three
four one two WSDX. Let's get back to Steeler talk
is almost mandatory. They had a very interesting conversation on
(03:03):
get Up about Philadelphia's offense. They said the Eagles offense
is too simple, to elementary and rudimentary the.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Words they used.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Now, if that's true about Philadelphia's offense, which just won
a Super Bowl, where does that leave these Steelers in
their offense is prehistoric, which the Steelers offense is is prehistoric,
worse than rudimentary. Get Up talked about the Steelers offense too,
called it limited.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, I'll say it's limited now.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
As we've discussed on the show all week, George Pickens's
breakout in Dallas makes the Steelers look very bad. But
to be clear, Pickens would not be having the season
he's having in Dallas here with the Steelers, or even
a very good season not in that Steelers offense just
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wouldn't happen. So all y'all who think things would be
better if they kept George Pickens, Nah, not for the Steelers,
certainly not for George Pickts. He'd just be mad and
statless and targetless and pissed off.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
We've been debating.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
How do you fix the Steelers because a lot of
other people doing what I do, were trying to figure
that out. I don't think they can be fixed. We'll
talk to the FABO about that. At four point thirty.
I had somebody last night remark how did they beat
Indian New England, who lead their division? And the answer
is lock.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It was lock.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You got eleven turnovers combined in those games, and maybe
you took some of those, but maybe the Colts and
Patriots gave most of them. I feel like the Steelers
are lucky to be six and five, Like six and
five right now is more than they deserve. I'm not
saying the standings lie a ton, but I think they
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might lie a little bit. Your calls on the fifteens
and now it will be so fetch.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I gotta give a report.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Eddie Johnston's ninetieth birthday party last night, which I was
so honored to attend, was just fantastic. At Kenny Reagan's
place thirty one in Bridgeville. Kenny and Nicole and everybody
involved in just a great job. EJ, his wife Diane,
all the Johnstons. Every couple should be like EJ and Diane.
(05:27):
EJ's young grandson said, they listened to this show, so
hi kids, that's awesome. Great kids. Like I said last night,
I'm still gonna swear, And it was like a Penguins
Who's who Craig Patrick, all the current guys in management,
Kyle Dubas, Dan Muse, Jason Spetza, Staggy and Brian Trodier,
m Seed, Troy Loney, Tyler Kennedy, Bob Aerry, Greg Malone,
(05:50):
Rick Key, O, Chico Back, Kolby Armstrong, Mark Kachowski, Rocky Saganut,
my pys therapist, Jim Kittelberger who's worked with the Penguins
for so very long, Mister Electricity, Dave Mullinery, the dean
of hockey writers, Donnie Iris, My god, Donnie was there.
(06:11):
If I'm forgetting anybody, it's understandable because so many people
were there. Please forgive me. EJ's friends from Montreal, who
are a hoot.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I love him.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Sidney Crosby was there with his lovely girlfriend Kathy. Just
a great couple. Remind me of EJ and Diane, albeit
a lot younger Sid out in the wild. He's just
so gracious and awesome and so just He's Sidney Crosby.
And a lot of people had kids and grandkids there,
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and that's great because Eddie Johnston needs to be remembered always.
He is a thoroughly good man. He taught me so much.
He defines hockey, not least in Pittsburgh. And I love EJ.
And last night was absolutely terrific. I found myself wondering
at Sid's ninetieth birthday party will be like, I won't
(07:03):
be there, but well, I mean, we know one thing,
He'll still be playing on five ninety.
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Speaker 3 (07:30):
You know it's good.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Mace is always a component of any nice date.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Thank you for making my day.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah what you said?
Speaker 8 (07:37):
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Speaker 1 (07:42):
Time for calls on the fifteens, which is apparently gonna
have good days and bad days, but you can still
get in eight three, three, four one two WXDX. I
guess you're not mad about the Steelers anymore like you
were yesterday.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I'm not saying they're done, but you can flip them over.
This side's pretty or.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, they're just they're just not a very good team
and they're run horribly, and you know, people talk about
the coach. It's amazing that people still think Tomlin's a
good coach because Tomlin's incompetence and the incompetence of his staff,
and really the incompetence of ownership too. Omar Khan as well.
(08:22):
You can't overachieve in that circumstance. Their roster's not very good,
but the way they're run gives them zero chance to overachieve.
And I would love to know what Aaron Rodgers really
thinks of this, wouldn't you. I don't think this is
at all what he bargained for when he signed in
Pittsburgh at any level, personnel, playbook coaching. I don't think
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it measured up to what he thought it would be
at any level. Then I'm gonna call again eight three
three four one two w XDX. Let's go to Andrew.
Andrew in the car, you're only double.
Speaker 9 (09:01):
M hey, Mark loving the calls on the fifteen segment.
Speaker 10 (09:07):
I think it is so fetch. Wanted to get rid
of a little bit of hockey talk. Yes, yeah, I'd
be glad to the Penguins. Yes, they're three four and
three in their last ten, which I don't need to
tell you that's not good. But wanted to get your
perception on potentially losing the Buffalo tomorrow night. Does that
change our perception on the season. Does it change how
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the Penguins view themselves?
Speaker 5 (09:29):
Going to well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Think you get your perception changed on the season, even
if you would lose tomorrow night in a season that's
only a quarter the way through, despite the significance of
being or not being in a playoff Birth of Thanksgiving
when those who are make the playoffs seventy seven point
five percent of the time. But you know it's a
(09:51):
bad conference. You know there's ground to be made up.
The loser point keeps teams in it. But I think
Tomorrow night's a game they need to win. It's certainly
very winnable. That said, buff who aren't very good, have
won four of their last five, and Tates Thompson scored
in six straight games, and they got that goalie with
the goofy name back upl or whatever, who's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
He was injured. So, uh, it's a game they need
to win, but it won't be easy.
Speaker 10 (10:16):
Absolutely, fill up the gravy boats and let's get ready
to play.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Let's go to Jackie Jackie and Jefferson Hills. Jackie're on
with double.
Speaker 9 (10:23):
M hey mark for all of the Steeler fans who
are absolute apologists for Mike Tomlin and Root and aren't
the second and Omar Kahn thinking that the Steelers can
never do no wrong. Do you feel like that the
vast majorities of those fans are under the age of
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like twenty seven or twenty eight.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I felt, and I've said that younger fans, younger people,
they're less demanding, they they're not result space. They just
like the Steelers. And if the Steelers are bad or
the Pirates are bad, or whoever's bad, and they like them,
they'll just say they're good. I'm right, you don't know
Ball that's their mo. So I don't know about the
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demographic breakdown, but you might be onto something that said.
I think the notion that the Steelers and Tomlin could
do no wrong. I think that's kind of dying on
the vine right now, don't you. Maybe not universally, but
I think they're certainly large pockets.
Speaker 9 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, I do. And the reason why I and
how I came up with that age group is because
I was eighteen the last time the Steelers won the
Super Bowl. I'm almost thirty five right now, and I
feel like Steeler fans from that age group, if they
were like eight or ten years old or whatever, I
feel like they're probably not old enough to remember what
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really went into those teams in the mid to late
two thousands as to why they were so successful.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
And I could tell.
Speaker 9 (11:57):
You from what I've seen in the last ten twelve
years or so, this ain't it. It sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Let's go to Steve.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Steve, you're on with double M.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
Hey, Mark, got a question for you, Aaron Rodgers. You
keep saying that you know this is not what he
bargained for. Do you think he was fooled by Tomlin
and the Steelers that they see all the right things.
I mean, he's been a fraud for how long? How
did you fall for this? And expect better coming up?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
But the general consensus among those are on the NFL
is that Tom Wins a Hall of Famer, not a fraud.
I just think that Rogers was fooled by the name,
maybe painted into a corner because he didn't have any
other offers wanted to go to Minnesota. They didn't want him,
and maybe they should have. Then again, the way Rogers
is killed off and now he's hurt, maybe not. I
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thought at one point that Minnesota would want Rodgers next year.
Now I don't think there's any way the right move
for them would have been the franchise Donald But I digress. Yeah,
I just think that Rogers thought that he could win
to some degree coming here, and I think the reasons
that it isn't happening isn't on him.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I don't think he's the.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
MVP Rodgers, but I think he's a good enough to
have a better record than this with this roster version
of Aaron Rodgers, and the coaching has let him down,
and the roster assembly too, But I think this roster
could overachieve given better coaching.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Yeah, if they let him do what he wanted, maybe
that's what he thought. He could come in and do
what he wanted and he would have success. But they're
just thwarting his efforts. And maybe it's a good point
though that he did have no nowhere to go and
that was it. So he had to thank you for
the call.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And by the way, a couple of colors back, a
guy said that, you know about the excuse making for
the Steelers, I think that's more on the local media's
behalf now than the fans like Kabali, like people you know,
are saying the Steelers don't throw over the middle. Kabali
put up a video of a pass over the middle
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against Chicago and said, who says the Steelers don't throw
in the well? Kamoom, that's one time. That's one time.
I mean, you know, let's talk about Williamson. Let's get
the numbers, because they don't throw over the middle. They
don't take deep trucks either, they just don't. Let's go
to Nick in the truck, Nick fire Away.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
Hey, Mark, I'm not sure if you know or Tommy
Radio knows, but when Aaron Rodgers did sign was Pickens
still on the team.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, because for like a little overlap in the offseason,
the Steelers did have a really good number two receiver,
but it wasn't Pickens.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
As it turns out, it was Metcalf.
Speaker 11 (14:35):
Right, So with Pickens and Metcalf, I do give more
respect to that duo if it was here. I do agree.
Maybe it wouldn't be as good as Ceedee Lamb and Pickens,
but you know, with with him on the outside of
Metcalf and a slot and then you have your tight
ends who Rogers does use. I think that could have
been a very dangerous offense with those No, no.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
No, it could have been.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Have you listened to a word I've said for the
last couple of days, Okay, you could have Metcalf and Pickens.
You could have Metcalf and Pickens and Jerry Rice in
his mfing prime on that offense, and with Arthur Smiths
coordinating and with the pop gun quarterbacks they have, it
wouldn't be much better.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
They don't know how to get anybody the ball.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
What would make you think the different personnel, why that
would change it?
Speaker 11 (15:22):
Because I think when Rogers is then Arthur smith is
not calling the place that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Okay, then Rogers is calling pretty bad place too.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
You just don't know what you're talking about. Goodbye, You
just don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
There you go acting like things could be better if this,
if that, if the other. It's the coaching and the
roster assembly and the administration and the team and the
owner and the GM and everybody that's flawed and there's
no escaping it with that major change over.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Let's go to Eric. Hi, Eric.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Double am, good day.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I said, good day.
Speaker 12 (15:58):
I just wanted I wanted to mention, Uh, whenever you
compared the rudimentary offense of the Eagles to the Steelers
pre historic offense.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
No, I didn't. I didn't compare, but.
Speaker 12 (16:13):
Go ahead, Oh I'm sorry, I mean, get.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Get up called it rudimentary. They called the Steelers offense limited.
I said, if the Eagles offense is rudimentary, where's that
leave the Steelers? I mean, the Eagles obviously have a
much better offense even if it is rudimentary.
Speaker 11 (16:32):
Right, But that reminds me of Chuck Noll's quote.
Speaker 12 (16:35):
Champions are champions not because they do things extraordinary, but
because they do ordinary things better than anybody.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
El I love Chuck Nole how long has he been dead? Again? Goodbye?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Okay calls on the fifteenh tremendous love Chuck Noll, But
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T is this season Welcome show? Oh if I won
ye over Buddy Bedating, Dusty Road, Tomican Dream, so be
it bating X At one five nine, Josh Joey had
a great tweet responding to someone who commented like I
did about Tomlin blaming special teams, kickoffs and punts uh
for the loss against Chicago. Partly, Yoey tweeted, he's a
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con man. That's what con men do. Joining me now,
he's anything but a con man. He knows more about
hockey than anybody.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
For some reason. He's in Ireland again. Always great to
talk pucks with the great Pierre Maguire. Pierre, why are you.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
In Ireland for the second time within the last what
five or six weeks?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
In the last three weeks, Mark, and it's great to
talk with you. I'm actually here because of a thing
called the Friendship four which is in Belfast, Ireland, and
this is a tournament this year with riit with Sacred
Heart University, with Miami University not Miami, me in Florida
about Miami, and of Ohio and Union College out of
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Schenecta in New York. Last year we had Harvard and
Boston University and Notre Dame here and Merrimack. We had
four amazing teams, and next year it's going to be
off the charts. But all I can say is I
come here because these people care so much about hockey.
We're trying to grow the hockey brand around the world,
and the biggest thing to me is that they use
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hockey as a motivational tool to try and solve things socially.
And I think it's an amazing cause and I'm really
proud to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Sounds terrific. The Penguins right now not so terrific. They've
lost eight out of eleven. They're in a fun How
bad is it to your mind?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I don't think it's as bad as everybody thinks.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I've been watching all their games and I understand what's
going on, and I work with, as you know, Paul
steigerol and all the pregame shows. I think the biggest
thing is people have to understand and give this team
a little wiggle room. First of all, I think they've overachieved,
so which is a good thing, not a bad thing. Secondly,
the trip to Europe is never an easy thing. It's
a tough thing. I go through it all the time.
(20:08):
You correctly said me being here in Ireland again for
the second time in three weeks, and I'll be back
here before the end of December, by the way, so
I know how hard it is. And I think the
third thing, which is really important is this is a
young team that's trying to figure out their roles, and
it's a young coaching staff at the NHL level. At
the NHL level, I stress that trying to figure out
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what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
They're zero and five in overtime and shootouts. That ain't good.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You ain't gonna make the playoffs giving away all those points.
How do I improve with that? Because those are two
things you can practice in Pierre. But I don't think
three on three or shootouts. Well, shootouts do, but three
on three doesn't necessarily lend itself to practice, does it.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
No, it does not. That's so smart. It's such a
good statement. I totally agree. Three on three is an
exercise and skill and talent and veteran experience more than
anything else, and a lot of times it's the speed
quoting of your team. So Mark, you're not wrong, I'm
a at all. You're one hundred percent right. It's hard,
you know, it's it's a limited situation for Pittrick right now.
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They more times than not, they got to try to
win games in regulation. They know that. I know that,
and most people in the NHL know that. You know
I coached in the league. When you know there were
no extra points for losing in overtime, and our team
missed by not very many and I think we lost
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eighteen overtime points. My point in this, on this whole
thing is it's it's great that there's an extra point
for getting to overtime. It's really important that you make
sure you get two points, not one point.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, that loser point kind of skews the standings, and
I think some teams learn to settle.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Not the Penguins, not so far anyway. But that's a
bad thing. Now.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
The Stars are still producing Pierre Sidons. You know, each
scored in that loss to Seattle on Saturday. It seems
the problems offensively are more about secondary scoring.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Oh my gosh, is it ever so well said and
so smart? Agreed? You know again, they're not. This is
a young team kind of find itself. I talked about
it today on Canadian radio. The truth of the matter
is most people did not have Pittsburgh even relatively close
to the playoffs at this time of the season. I
think coach Muse and the staff have done a great job.
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I think the goaltending tanum has been really solid to date.
There's a team that's probably overachieved a little bit, to
be fair, and I'd much prefer to be the Pittsburgh
Penguins right now than the National Predators. I'll take one
team from the Ease and one team from the West.
And so the truth is that I still think there's
hope for this group. They're going about it in a
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proper way, and I'm pretty excited about their groups, though,
I really am.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Penguins have the number one power play in the league,
the number five PK, and that's great, but that can't
really come through every game in Canada, and it kind
of master your deficiencies five on five at least, I
think that's the case with the Penguins right now.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Oh, it's basking it totally. Absolutely it is. And I'm
a big fan of the special Teams quote that was
created by Scottie Bowman, where you add on the power
play percentage and the penalty of percentage. As you want
to compete to the Cup, you need to be one
oh five or better. And so no, that's absolutely true,
that's one hundred percent correct. Again, this is a team
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that most fans I think, if they're being fair with, say, Mark,
we've got a chance to be competitive this year. Let's
hope you can get the extra points a little bit
like Montreal and Ottawa last year, so that we can
get into the playoffs. I think most fans before the
season started in Pittsburgh thought that this was not a
playoff team. I think now people think, you know what,
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let's let's kind of get gree a little bit. Let's
hope that we can make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We're talking to ber Maguire's brought to us by always
say flagging and traffic control. Pierre Raquel's out for a
little bit longer. How good has mcgrorty been. What do
you hear about his performance since returning from injury in Wilkes.
I heard he's been dynamite. At what point is he
ready to be called up after having come back, like
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like I said, from surgery.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
Well, I watch all their games. I watched a lot
of games in the American Hockey League. I watched a
lot of games in the East Coast Hockey League. That's
we knew about Murshaw last year. I think you and
I talked about him, right, and so the truth is
that he's getting really close all the time. The one
thing I caution, just because I've been through it a lot,
is an evaluate and also as a coach, as a
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management person, you can't just rush guys out of injury
situations from thinking, oh, yeah they're dominating the American League
and come up and play in the NHL. Yes, they
have this. This player definitely has a chance and will
be an NHL player on an everyday BASI. I think
they're being smart, just being careful with his development. I
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think that's probably the best word, careful with his development
right now.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You know I agree with that, But again, you know,
with Raquel out, I mean it's mattered a lot. I mean,
any injury with this team is going to have drastic effect.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Dan mus was mad after Saturday's loss and said, so
is that good? Does that push a team? Because Sully
kinda he kind of walked lightly even when things were bad.
You had to read his expression. Dan Mwes made things
perfectly clear, didn't he?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
It did, And I like that again. I've walked in
his shoes before. I've taken an underachievement team and made
them very close to being a playoff team. So at
one point you have to decide as a staff are
we gonna push or are we gonna sit back? And
I think he's done the right thing because he does
have Crosby, because he does have Malcolm, because he does
have Carlton, because he does have with dang, and because
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he's got a pretty good tanem and goal right now
where he feels, you know what, we have a chance
to do this and he's in a very I think
the best word is fluid fluid division in the metro
right now where they have a legitimate chance to make
the playoffs. So I'm glad that he actually did that.
At the beginning, he was kind of a nice guy, surpy, nice, polite,
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and all of a sudden he showed his players. You
know what, I'm determined on hard, I'm on it, I'm
gonna lean on it. And I think players appreciate that.
The players don't want to sit at home watch the
playoffs at home. They want to be on the road
and they want to compete and win in the playoffs,
and the coaches setment good tone for it. I like,
what Dan, did I really do?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Buffalo is in town tomorrow. The Sabers have won four
out of five. Page Thompson scored in six straight game,
which is very impressive. I like the goal of UPL.
I can't pronounce his name, I use his initials. I'm
gonna stick with UPL Pierre. But are the Sabers legitimately
a team on the rise because we've been waiting a
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long time, So Sabers fans, you know what.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
I know. There's a big robbery of Pittsburgh and Buffalo.
I coached in it, so I get it. And there
was also a huge one with Hartford and Buffalo, by
the way, and I coached that too. I think the
biggest thing is that with Buffalo they have enough skill,
they have enough talent, and they've got to coach. It's
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way undervalue Lindy ruffs way undervalued. All that being said,
I don't know if they're deep enough. I really don't,
But I also think they got all legitimate chances because
of the turmoil that's been involved in it. With all
the injuries this year in both the Metro in the
Atlantic mark you look at all the injuries, it's just
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mind chattering. So the fact that you know, Toronto in
particular has had a terrible start to the year, Montreal's
kind of taking a step back a little bit, Detroit's
been up and down, Ottawa has been one of the
more consistent, Boston has been surprising. I think that, yeah,
Buffalo's got a chance to be a playoff team for sure. Pierre.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It seems to talk about Logan Cooley every week, the
local kid from West Smithlin and last goals for you
to talk four goals and helper, Pierre, I'm so worried
Logan won't make the US Olympic team, and I'm on
record as saying if he doesn't, I will storm the capitol.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
You have every right to. I don't know what side
of the political aisle that you lean on, but it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Matter, no, no, no, either side. I just want Logan
on the US Olympic team.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Yeah, this this I was just gonna say. This has
nothing to do with politics. But all I'll say is this,
he belongs on that team. I think we talked about
this a couple of weeks ago. Look, Clayton Keller's on
his team. He's on that team. There are a lot
of really skilled American players. Austin Matthews is hurt right now.
The injury situation where Timos is really dire. But I
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would say one thing. One of the most consistent guys
has been Logan Cooley. Logan Cooley, and you know what,
I'm going to tell you this. My late and best friend,
ray Erroll, the former general manager of the Pittsburgh Penguins,
used to tell me all the time, Pierre, there's a
kid coming up. I used to babysit him and ray
did Logan Cooley? I know, ray Baby said him. And
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Ray used to tell me all the time, Pierre, I'm
telling you right now, this guy's really good. And he
was right. He was one hundred percent right. So I
would hope that Logan would have a legitimate opportunity on Timusa.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Who's he remind you of.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I've tried to draw parallels between him and players we've
seen it in the past.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
I see a little bit of sit in him. Maybe
that's unfair. Who does he remind.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
You of Patty laugh on Taine's I say, I see
a lot of Patty laugh on Tanna, and there's some
sit in him, for sure, there's some cite. It's hard
not to if you're a kid that grew up in
Pittsford and you watched it over the last twenty years.
It's hard enough to think that you're going to be
sitting in Crosby. You know, I grew up in Montreal.
I was a defenseman. I wanted to be Larry Rottinson.
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I nineteen all the time. I was never as tall
as him. I thought there were similarities in our game,
but he was just way better than me.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
You know.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
So I always say that, you know, Sid would be
one guy, But athletically speaking, I think he and Pat
Lafon team are very very similar, very similar.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Pierre Eddie Johnston turned ninety yesterday. I was at his
birthday party last night. I know you're a big fan.
EJ built the game. I mean, in some ways he
defines his era of hockey, doesn't.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
He he does, and man, oh man, what a job
he did for the Pittsburgh Penguins. And you know, Mark,
I just got to tell you this what one of
the most emotional times I ever had. And this is
probably off color, but it's great for your listeners. I
coached against Eddie's team. I was coaching Hartford, Eddie was
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coaching Pittsburgh and I caught Yarmoy yarder with an illegal
stick and was Yarmou was really mad at me. We
tied the game late, and eventually they won because Yarmers
scored coming out of the penalty box after I called
that illegal stick. We couldn't score on the power play,
and Eddie wanted to get after it with me, and
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I was picked off, and I had so much respect
for him, but I was not going to back down.
And James Patrick, my former defenseman, grabbed me and said,
You're not going over there, are you nuts? And so
it was pretty amazing. But what I can tell you
is I've been friends with him forever. My late great
friend Ray Schiero adored him to the max. Eddie was
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a huge part of those Pittsburgh Penguin runs in the
final you know eight nine. He definitely played a role
even though what wasn't with us in ninety one and
ninety two, And I know he's a very proud member
of the sixteen and seventeen teams that won the Cup.
Eddie's a phenomenal, phenomenal hockey man, a great human being,
and he's done so much for the growth of the game.
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I can tell you that. And again as too, probably
a big raised Irish people. As I say that from Delpha, Ireland.
We almost went at it one year and I'm sixty
four and he's ninety, and he still wanted to get
after it, which I have so much respect for. So
I will never ever ever doubt his determination as professionalism
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and one thing.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I want people to remember it. And I'm old enough
and so were you to have seen this. He was
a great goalie.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean he won two Cups and the one he
went on in the seventy two playoffs when the Bruins
beat New York in the final. I mean that's one
of the better playoff goaltending performances I've seen.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I don't think people understand that, like they don't honestly,
they don't. Like Eddie was an elite goal He and
Jared Cheevers were phenomenal forever with the Boston Bruins. Great
Teddy was a great player, Great Tanem the great Scottie
Bowman obviously my mentor, an amazing friend and dear friend
of Pittsburgh Penglin hockey. He and Eddie are unbelievably tight.
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You know, Scotty's ninety two right now. He used to
tell me all the time just how great a goalie
Eddie was as a junior, as an American League goalie,
as an NHL goalie. I know where all the bodies
are buried on this one, and I'm telling you right now,
they're not making any of that stuff up. Eddie was
phenomenal in so many different facets of the game.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Pierre has always great stuff and joy Ireland will do
it again next week.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
I can't wait. I'll be back. I'll be back in
North America looking forward to it. Take care of Mark,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
That's Pierre McGuire brought to was always say flagging and
traffic control, making traffic safe again. Called four one two
three oh one twenty three hundred, or visit online at
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Speaker 2 (33:41):
By the way, I.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Misspoke talking about Rockger McGroarty. They do not have surgery,
but it'd been at a long term with a upper
body injury. Recently returned to play for Wilkes in the AHL,
the Penguins farm team, and is ripping it up. So
maybe we'll see him in Pittsburgh sooner or not later.
Tristan bros Is it his NHL debut or just season debut.
(34:02):
I think it's his first NHL game tomorrow night for
the Penguins when Buffalo visits, assuming he dresses, which, boy,
you know, we used to do that all the time
with Sully.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Call a guy up and scratch him. That sucked. Hope, Dan,
don't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
One oh five nine, It's The Woody Show, weekday morning
six to ten one.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
This hour, The Mark Maddon Show is brought to you.
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