December 9, 2025 • 33 mins
Mark takes some calls and is joined by Pierre McGuire to talk some Penguins before the game tonight
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, Sensation Nation something like that. We have calls on
the fifteens at three fifteen, so get your calls in now.
I want your reaction to the Pirates just missing. On
Kyle Schwarber, he signed with the Phillies five years, one
hundred and fifty mil. The Pirates offer of four years
for one hundred plus mill magically got clarified to four
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years one hundred and twenty mil, which means they offered
the same average annual value as the Pirate fans posing
as media are wallowing in. But that's not just missing,
that's missing by twenty percent. And I don't believe they
bid what it's reputed they did anyway. Uh, don't you
understand this is all BS and you shouldn't believe a
word the Pirates say. Ever, So your thoughts on that.
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At eight three three four one two WSDX, we barely
talked about the Steelers and also for this show, which
is the way I like it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But the Steelers are three and a half point favorites
at home against Miami on Monday. Miami can run the
ball eighth in the league. The a train a chain
who's banged up, but he's expected to play. He's third
in the league yards, first in the league in rushing average.
It almost well five point eight yards, close to six.
Miami rushed for two hundred and thirty nine yards against
the New York Jets on Sunday, and the Jets can't
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stop the run, but neither can the Steelers. So I
feel like Miami just might run the ball. And the
over under for rushing yards by the Dolphins in hundreds
would be five.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Maybe. No, that's stupid and was way too convoluted.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I tried too hard sometimes, but Miami cannon will win
the ball, so this game won't be easy.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And McDaniel their coach.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
He might be a geeky looking guy, but I'd take
him over Tomlin, even though Tomlin said today my god,
Tomas said, I've been on the hot seat for nineteen years.
He has like a lifetime contract with the Steelers. Might
as well anyway, and he said he's on the hot seat.
He's black Trump. He is black Trump. Tomlin is black Trump.
Donald Trump, Mike Tomlin, the president, the Steelers coach are
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the two biggest horsemen or artists in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I have a tough time picking between one and two,
So your thoughts on any of that. Eight three three
four one two WXDX Liverpool are playing ter Liverpool playing
two strikers up front in the absence of most Salah
or the Palindrome almost got in there. Penguins play tonight
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they host Anaheim. I'd rather talk Penguins, but that's as
is tradition with me. There's so many good stories with
the Penguins. The resurrection of Eric Carlson, the resurrection of
Kristin Jari sid with eighteen goals, the kid line ben
Kindle in particular, the change is made like the new coach.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Gino in the Mammoth line, although Gino's on on the
injured list in is week to week so as Blake lost.
But what I just said, them are all good stories, right, Okay?
Now tell me one story about the Steelers that is
remotely interesting, legitimately interesting. What the forty two year old
quarterback Give me a break. Everything with the Steelers is
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so stale. Seven and six is so stale. Where they're
headed is so stale, like it was with the Penguins,
totally stale until they made legit change to get younger.
The Steelers have had the same coach for two decades
and this year they got older, which I guess is
okay when the average age of the crowded Acresshore is
seventy six, same as the average IQ. You know, it
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is a great story with the Steelers really seriously at
Coles and Pierre at cornerback for real, if it wasn't
for them. Remember that secondary was supposed to be strength, right,
and it's not. But it ain't totally useless like it
looked like it would be and was for a while.
And the reu for that is Eccles and Pierre, who
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only figured in very peripherally at the beginning of the year.
Eckles was going to be like the nickel dime guy
something like that, and Pierre wasn't going to play at
all except in case of emergency. Well, they had to
break glass, and he's done pretty good in in the various.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Roles he's been assigned.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The Steelers really left it up with Slay, really efted
up with Slay. Eccles and Pierre bailed him outs that
number again eight three, three, four one two wxdx.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
This game's kind of kind of kind of bad so far.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Fifth minute Neil nil, back to the goalie, back to
the goalie, back to the goalie, back to the goalie,
back to the goalie, back to the goalie, back to
the goalie. I would like to talk about that that
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this utter deception.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
With the Schwarber.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Contract sign with Philly Fires one hundred fifty mil, the
Pirates supposedly offered four years one hundred and twenty mil,
upgraded from what was reported up until today. Up until
after the Phillies signed Schwarber, it had been four years
one hundred million plus. The ambiguity now has been rounded
up to make it seem like the Pirates just missed.
I don't believe that. For second, I would think they
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offered four years something around one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But now they just missed because.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Because like those guys who cover the Pirates, they don't
believe anything they're told. And but to be honest, so
will Ken Rosenthal and Jeff Passing and their ilk them guys.
I can see them like getting a report about the
Pirates and saying that who cares if it's true or not,
it's only the Pirates, let's just go with it. I
do like the story of Philip Riffs coming back to
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play for the Colts. He's so old, you know what.
I've seen him though recently, I think recent pictures of
him at home with his three thousand kids. You know what,
maybe the culture having trouble selling tickets, neart to buy
tickets for all his kids. Now once he starts playing. Uh,
he owns younger than Rogers. For sure, he does look
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younger than Rogers. Then again that that would be hard
to I mean, like I keep saying, wartime president pow
and all that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
What else do we go?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh, Pat McAfee said ESPN would want Notre Dame in
the college football Playoff. There's there's there's some criticism because
you know, everybody is Notre Dame's enemy in this little
drama an ESPN because how was it worded? Because they
never get them on TV because they don't have the
TV rights, so they just you know, want to get
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back a Notre Dame by keeping them on. I don't
know how much influence ESPN has, but they do have
the rights to the college Football Playoff. But McAfee pointed out,
and I think rightly, that this playoff is the only
way ESPN could ever get Notre Dame on TV. But
you know, Pat also is overestimating the current appeal of
Notre Dame, much like Notre Dame is overestimating the current
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appeal of Notre Dame. It's not the sixties. The four
Horsemen are out of eligibility. I mean, Notre Dame. They're
not his popcarst pit. I mean, let's put things in perspective.
Uh eight three three, four one two WXDX. What else
do we got?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh, Chador? Did I mention Shador?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Kevin Stefanski says Shador Sanders is going to be the
starting quarterback the rest of the season at Cleveland, and.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I guess Sanders has earned it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
He had a great game against Tennessee and loss to
the worst team in football. But credit to Shador, who
conquered his poor urban upbringing and the racist white football establishment.
But I feel like to make it right for all
that Chador's had to suffer through being dropped in the
draft because he's black, I feel like Cleveland should get
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a wild card into the playoffs automatically, because if Chador
started season, Cleveland would obviously be in the playoffs. A
player of the caliber of Shador Sanders should be in
the playoffs, just like Crosby belongs in the NHL playoffs,
except Sador is way better at football than Crosby is
in hockey. If he was white, the NFL would do it.
In fact, here's what would solve all the problems. Josina
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Anderson needs to be named NFL commissioner.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
We're all gonna rock to the rules I make.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
How you like it?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That exit one nine, it's.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
The dog cart with all the dogs there, and then
people see you don't really know because it's the dog mark,
it's the dog cart.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Once the Steelers beat Baltimore and got in the first
place in the AFC North, admittedly with the crappy record
of seven and six, I knew that it would re
establish the narrative that the Steelers can beat anybody and
that Mike Commin is among the best coaches in football.
And that has happened very decisively in the two days.
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Since there's this headline at the Athletic. We got the
fabo on at four o'clock. There's this headline at the Athletic.
Pittsburgh offense reignites. Really, when did that happen? They rushed
for thirty four yards total at Baltimore they got gained
by one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
They only had the ball for twenty six minutes.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Not exactly the definition of ignites or reignite, but again,
that's the narrative. I told you that's how it would go.
Right now, it's time for calls on the fifteens. It
is so fetch I can't remember that catchphrase that nation sensation, adjudication, libation.
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Let's make some Hey, that's what you say. Let's go
all the way. So we'll just talk to John and Butler. John,
you're on with Mark.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Anymark.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
The Steelers could very easily lose out the rest of
the season. They're offer and prime time to they lose
against Miami Detroit Scot two very good running backs. Cleveland's
always tough to play in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Baltimore is going to.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Be looking for a revenge game unless they have already
won the division, So Toomlin's winning record goes out the window.
No chances.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think you're probably overestimating.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I do think they could lose to Miami, though, and
if they lose to Miami, things could go badly south.
I think Miami is a bad matchup for the Steelers
right now they could win the ball, and they're hot.
They've won their last four, So I think this game
will tell a tale because I think this was a
game that people counted on as a Steeler win.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think it's way too simple to do that now,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, Tomlin can't win a game in prime time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, He's won a lot of games in prime time.
It's just not going good this year. You're generalizing, and
I get it. You don't like Tom and me neither.
But criticism is better served when it's accurate, and you're
just generalizing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Let's go to Steve. Steve, you're on with the super genius.
Hey Mark, what up?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Man?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
What Hey? First? Two things, real quick, one comment, one
question about hockey and Jari. First of all, me and
my seven year old Jake metschitt Marinos in Greensburg a
couple weeks ago for the watch party. You signed his
broken leg, his cast and he gave him a headshot
and that just made his year. Man, and I just
wanted to throw that out here on the air, let
people see that side of you.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So thank you for that. I am a great guy.
How's your kid doing? Okay, he's doing a lot better.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Man, he's super excited I'm calling right now. He wants
to say ah, I say Ahi, buddy, all right, Mark,
I got a question worry about the Jari thing about
I'm totally on board what you're saying about getting You know,
you can't disrupt the locker room right so right now.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
When you're in a playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Now, now, if they would have I have a five
or six game losing streak, which could happen in the
next five or six games, not least with Gino sidelined indefinitely,
then you can revisit that trade. That's why I think
Dubis negotiated what he did, which is to make Edmonton
take on all of Jari's salary. He knew they couldn't
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do that. They're cap tight, but they could revisit it later.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You know what I mean. He didn't say no, He
made them say no. That's how I envisioned it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Anyway, I'm aligned with you on that. My question is
a little bit more. I don't know different, but like
in your experience, how aware guys like Jari of that
kind of trade talk do they? You think he's aware
of this, and like I'm not saying he's listening to
you on the radio, but he has an agent, he
has people that are in his ear telling what's going on.
Do they do they pay attention to that? Is that
getting their head at all? Or is that just noise
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and they cancel that out and they just move on
with their day.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I think it gets in their head if it's felt
to be imminent. But I think this is way on
the back burner, not least because you know it's been
It's known that edmund And is tight against the cap,
so I think it's on the back burner. That said,
I don't think it would bother Jari. He has history
in Edmonton, having won the Memorial Cup, playing major junior there,
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and obviously if I were him, I'd like to go
to a contender like Edmonton who's been in the last
two finals, wouldn't you?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Absolutely, man, That's all I had. Mark, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
We love listening to you, buddy. Thank you, brov.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, it only bothers, guys if the talk is NonStop
and something is perceived to be imminents. This is just
idle chatter with the Canadian media, which gives it all
the lesser credibility. By the way, the NFL admitted had
fed up the roughing call on the Steelers long snapper
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Coons don't pronounce that name wrong, which prolonged the Steeler
drive and got him seven points instead of three. But
the Steelers won by five, and that's only a four
point swing, so well deserve victory by the Steelers. According
to Harba, the Baltimore coach, the NFL told him it
was a bad call, but Harbo would say that he's lying. No,
he's probably not, Harbaugh said. The NFL also told him, well,
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they asked him, they said, what.
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Speaker 9 (14:55):
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Pens are back on home ice and they'll face Anaheim tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Pitsburg just finished the.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Road trip with five of a possible six points and
the NBA Cup quarterfinals those will tip off tonight with
Eastern Conference action between the Magic and Heat and the
Knicks and the Raptors.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
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Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's the dog cart. Were all the dogs there and
then people. He said that you don't really know because
it's the dog. Mark, it's the dog.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Mark Peng was at home tonight against Anaheim, joining me
not to discuss. It's the best hockey talk you can
hear anywhere. Always a pleasure to talk to. Pierre Maguire, Pierre,
how interested is Edmonton and Tristan Jarry, the Penguins goalie,
and what other goaltenders might the Oilers also be looking at?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Well, I think they've got a lot interest in Tristan Jerry.
Compound that with the fact that he's a local boy
and who's made well. You know, he was a tremendous
player with the Edmonton Noyle Kings major junior team in
the Western Hockey League. He's a kid from not far
from downtown Edmonton, so I think they'd have a significant
amount of interest in Jerry. I think there are other
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goalies that they're probably looking at around the league. There's
not a big laundry list of goalies that are available,
so it's gonna be interest to see which the wrection
they were going. But right now, I think they're probably
feeling pretty good about their group, but they definitely need
some help and goal and definitely needs some help on defense.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, part of what I think is going to delay
that dealer. Maybe Ky wash it altogether. Pierre is Pittsburgh's
in a playoff spot and playing pretty well, so Dubas
can't really trade Jari while that's going on. He'd lose
the dressing room.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Oh, there's no question about it. That's why I'm kind
of thinking about this long term, big ball picture, and
I'm going, you know what, I'm not sure the appropriate
thing for Kyle to do this to do, especially when
you consider Sidney Crosby being part of your team, Brian
Rust being part of your team. Obviously, Geno went healthy,
and everybody knows about Latang. It's a good story of
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all the guys that have been there to help me
in the cops for the Pittsburgh Panglers, especially in sixteen
and seventeen, and then obviously as you get older with
la Tang and Knocking and Crowby, you go back to
the nine. But I think it would be who Pittsburgh
could think long and hard before they make any news
right now. I like the fact they're allowing Harrison Brummick
to go play in the World Junior. I know it's
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something we talked about a long time ago, and I
think it's a really appropriate move for that game man
to be doing.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
That is this run by Jaria Fluke Pierre or as
he turned the corner. His numbers are good, but more importantly,
he's the party. Looks good in the net.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Well, he looks big, he looks anchored, he's not guessing.
He's reading plays a lot better than what he was
over in the last few years. I think Andy Kyoto
probably deserves some credits for that. I think Tristan deserves
some credits that too, There's one other thing that's an
amazing motivator for a goalie, it's ice time, and so yeah,
she lost has kind of struggled a little bit here
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the last little while, but before that he was playing
really well and Mirrorshof is the real deal. I think
everybody knows that, especially Tristan Jarry. So there's a lot
of internal pressure for him to do well and be
a captive audience for any coaching that might be going
on now.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
As you alluded to a moment ago, if Guinny malkt
his week the week the Penguins do.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Not have a ton of firepower up front, how do
they get by with that? Gino?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Well, I'm getting Brazil back is going to help. I think,
manthis still I think you look at that line in particular,
if they keep it together with Mantha, Kevin Hayesen and
Justin Brazil, that could do some damage offensively. You know,
Gino's played such a good two way game. That'll be
hard for Kevin and replace that just because he doesn't
move around as well as a game does. But one
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of the things that I'm really excited about is, you know,
just the way Sydney is playing and Novak looks like
he might be a good fit. Plans left Winger on
that line with Rush and Crosby, and that could be
really like found of money for getting a charity back.
Has definitely helped, and I'm still anxious to see how
Rutger McGroarty can do over a long stretch of time,
just not a short sample size. So I think there
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are other candidates internally that I just mentioned Mark that
can really help step up and fill the void. But
obviously we felt with Geno being out.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You mentioned Rutger McGroarty, the Penguin using a kid line
of Kendall, Coven and m McGroarty. What are the pros
and cons of using a bunch of guys that young
on the same forward unit.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
It's multi in your own zone, not so much in
the offensive zone. And the offensive zone will be fine,
especially with Kindall's creativity, mcgrery's ability to get to the
net in the hockey sense of Coven, and it's when
they're in their own zone where you could be in trouble.
I watched the sequence last night and I'll just use
it as an example. I watched the sequence last night
in Vancouver between with the Canucks team, and the one
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thing that was really apparent right size versus some of
the Vancouver defensemen. And one of them was Tom Gilmer,
who's a kid that was a tremendous player at Boston University,
and he was in a one on one battle with
one of the Detroit forwards and you know, he's just
a really high end player coming out of BU. He
couldn't contain his man like there was no physical way
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he could do that, and that's where the problems happened
for younger players. It' said one on one downloall batchups
and for whether it's Ben Kendall or Rutcord Mabiority, younger
guys just finding their way, how to establish pressure points,
body positions, stick position and just getting physically stronger.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Uh, let's step with McGroarty for just a second, because
we've not talked about him. He's been hurt, did rehab
and Wilkes came back up and I think he's done
pretty good. He plays aggressive. What's your take on him?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
That's his game. I mean I go back to watching
them play obviously in the US national team development program
and then at the University of Michigan, and the thing
that all stood out of calls him. There's a dogged determination.
And I'll never say ever say this just because it's
not very long. There was a player that used to
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play in the National hockey leadion John Tonelli, and I'm
watching Rutgor McGroarty play at Michigan and I'm watching him
play at the national team development program. I'm seeing this
dogged determination and a little bit of growl on the
fore check. And that's kind of who you remind me of.
You know, Johnny was a really good player in the league,
and I think Rutger eventually can be there too. He's
working on his stoating and that's an important thing for him.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, to now, he broke our hearts in eighty one. Pierre,
thanks for bringing that up. We're talking talking to Pierre
maguire here on the Mark Madden Show. Pierre, here, here's
an odd stat The Penguins ran first in power play
conversion at thirty three percent, but they ran dead last
in power play opportunities at sixty six total.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Why is that and how did the Penguins fix that?
Speaker 6 (21:56):
I don't know. It's one of the things that's really confounding.
It's a great job of breaking down stats by you.
It's one of the things that especially when you got
veteran players like Sidney Crosby, Brian russ A, Ginny Nlek
and Crystal Tang Eric Carlson, they usually get the benefit
of the doubt from the officials when it comes to calls.
It could be borderline one way or the other usually
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goes to the side of the veteran player rather than
a younger player. For whatever reason, that's not happening. I
think one of the things that the coaching staff probably
wants to get them to do. Spend more time than
the offenses on below the hashmarks sports the icing line
create more cycle opportunities there. That's usually where a lot
of penalties are called and maybe you know, get a
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better transition game or a quicker transition game. So a
lot of players for the opposition may be hooking down
or holding. But it really is interesting that they do
not have more power play opportunities.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
No question, the.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Penguins played really well at Dallas, didn't they And really
the whole three game road trip got five points out
of it.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Oh, I thought the Pengins were really good on this
road trip. They were fantastic. You know, A little bit
of divine intervention for Dallas, especially in the Miro haskin
and goal going off of dlakeerzot stick and passed Tristan Jarry.
But I thought, buying Lawyers, that was a really well
played game by Pittsburgh. That's a very good Dallas team,
I would say in the league right now, Colorado is won,
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and you'd have to say that Dallas is probably number
two in terms of overall depth of organization the players
that they have. So that was a really good showing
on that entire will trip by the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
The peng was lost in the shootout of Dallas and
have not lost four shootouts this year, eight straight dating
back the last season.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
How do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Because this time at one the goalie's fault, Jari only
conceded once in the three shots.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I can't stand the shootout, can I say that much?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I know I've been saying that for a couple of
years now. I think at the beginning it was a novelty,
but it's long since served its purpose.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I think one of the things that I'd like to
see and I think could be a good compromise A
lot of people are saying, go ten minutes of overtime.
I think that's too much. Let's go to seven minutes
like the American Hockey League does, and let's see if
we can't get a winner three on three after seven minutes.
I think they'd be a good compromise and it gets
a shootout right out of it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
But what said the Penguins do because Sid and La
Tang players, but they're just so predictable.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
On the shooter to uh don't get to shootouts. I
don't know what else to tell you, you know, I
just I remember Mark, this will make you laugh because
got a Pittsburgh tie into it. I'm doing a Ranger
game and I think they're playing silly and Yarmer Yager
is part of the New York Rangers at the time,
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and Tom Rennie's coaching the Rangers, and I hear Tom
say you're up, and Yarmoor goes, I'm not comfortable doing this.
I'm not doing this. And it was no secret around
the league. Yard didn't want to take shootouts, and he
didn't a lot of times he didn't. Sometimes he did,
but more times than not, he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, and that ties back to sit in La Tango,
and I think they go by road. I think they
go because they're the team's best players, not because they're
good at shootouts. I think that applies to Gino when
he's healthy as well. So here's my two options here.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Let me see what you think. I try the kids
like Coyvenan and Kindle.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Coyvenan had a pretty good track record of it in
the AHL. Or they're practicing shootouts now, which the Penguins
did not do for a long time. I would base
it totally on how guys finish in competition doing shootouts
at practice.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Oh, I agree, but it's really hard to, you know,
do that theory and then bring it into a game.
I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't always work
out that way. I've tried it, you know, as a
coach too. I was part of the coaching staff when
the shootouts first came in, and you didn't, by the
way back in those days, any loser points. So if
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you lost enough of them, it would really hurt your
ability to make the playoffs. People don't talk about that,
and coaches actually got those as losses on their record.
Now the coaches don't get those on their record as losses,
so it's you know, it's interesting how it's all played out.
But the Shore I was a conundrum for everybody. I'd
like to see it go away to be total franked.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Anaheims and Town. They made the Pacific Division. What's might
the Ducks come on strong this year.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
They got the best free agent signing last summer, a
guy named Joe Quenda arguably one of the best coaches
we've had in the last twenty years in the National
Hockey League. The smartness of Patabeek to go out and
get up somebody like Chris Pridis and the New York Rangers.
I know people in Pittsburgh aren't goin of like this,
but Jacob Truebau is a very good addition for their team.
Radcope Gutis was a good addition to their team. And
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I would say signing Alex Kloran a couple of years
ago was a great addition. But they've got young guys
all growing at the same time. Miss Leo Carlson, if
you haven't seen a play, he's special. Mason McTavish was
a great restricted tree agent signing for them in the summer.
Seneca as a tremendous first round pick who plays on
the right side with McTavish and Cutter Gocei. And if
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you haven't seen Cutter Gorocei play, he's one of the
better young power forwards in the league. So they got
a lot going on there. They're battling a little bit
of an injury bug in the back end and goal
especially with the Stall not being ready. He's their number
one goalie. But they're they're a really good team. But
I gotta tell you it all comes down in the orchestration.
They have the best reason signing of the summer Joel.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Quinvioll and Pierre I got to give a shout out
to Cutter Gotier because he's my favorite non Penguin because
he refused to play for the Flyers, and him and
some of the guys on that team, they show why
you don't give up on young guys or call him
a bust if they don't blossom right away, you got
to be patient. And I think Gaudier, Leo Carlson too,
they're evidence of that.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Oh, there's no question. But here's the thing I don't understand.
The people have said, well, Cutter Gocher revolved soo his
first year, he played one game because he played at
Boston College. He was almost won to Hovey Bakers. He
had one assist in one game play. I did a
research on it today. His second year, which was last year,
he played eighty two games. He had twenty goals and
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twenty four assists on the non playoff team used plus eight.
This year, in twenty nine games, he got sixteen goals
and seventeen assists for thirty three points, and he's plus seventeen. Like,
I don't get what people are doing. Like you, I
know you watched the late games from the West coast.
I watch all of them, but I'm telling you most
people at the East aren't watching these games, and they
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have no idea how good these players are.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Markets unbelievable, Pierre, here's a trade rumor that really has
me wonder. New Jersey wants to trade for Quinn Us
from Vancouver, the great defenseman and unite all three uses
on the Devils. What would New Jersey have to give
up for defenseman that's top three in the league.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Well, we all start, for sure, Nkoheisher, he'd be one
part of it. You probably have to deal a first
round pick. You probably have to trade Seamus Casey, who's
a young defenseman out of the University of Michigan, and
you probably have to put it. It'd be at least
four components. It could be five. He Sho would have
to be one of the components for sure, maybe even
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Dawson Nurcer. But I can't see New Jersey doing that.
Kind of defeats the purpose. If you really want to know,
and I know it's fashionable, say oh, New Jersey, New Jersey,
New Jersey, because his two brothers are there, Jack and Luke.
I think Detroit makes way more sense. They have so
much more artillery, so much more that Vancouver could use.
And I especially the Swedish component with Patrick Alden, the
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general manager in Vancouver, is very comfortable with because he
knows the body of work of those players so well.
I would be looking at Detroit honestly before i'd be
looking at New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, I have thousand percent agreed. But here's the catch.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
The users seem hell bent on playing together at some
point somewhere, and that means that Vancouver could overcharge for
them with for him with New Jersey for sure. But
here's the problem. And I know you agree with this
how many times in hockey is a trade made, We're
the team that doesn't get the best player somehow wins
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the deal anyway.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I can't give you an actual number, but it does happen.
I mean, look at Pittsburgh Penguin Lore Let's just do
let's just do the math. We traded two future Hall
of famers. I didn't do it. I was part of
it that Craig Patrick did it. Traded Mark Wrecky and
Paul Coffee, and we got back Rick Hackett, very good player,
but not a Hall of Famer. Shehelle Sanderson, very good
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player but not a Hall of Famer, and Kenny Reagan.
We won the Stanley Cup in the President Trophy the
next year. You know, we want the Stanley Cup in
ninety two, in the President Trophy in ninety three. So
that's an example of you trade two Hall of famers
but your team building to get better plays. I don't
know exactly if that deal benefit Jersey or not in
long term, especially with the price point they'd have to
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take that. I'll tell you one thing, Mark, I mean
this from the bottom of my heart. They haven't played
a playoff game in Detroit since twenty sixteen. I'm just
telling you that this kid's a Michigan kid. He grew
up in Ann Harbor, even though he's born in Toronto.
I thank Detroit needs this player more than Pittsburgh does
at this point, more than New Jersey does at this point,
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and more than maybe Toronto does at this point. Detroit
really needs that player, Pierre.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Who's the best team in the East, because I'm tempted
to say none of the above right now.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
None of the above. We're on the same page.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Who's the closest.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You know, Tampa was rolling now they've lost four in
a row. Lookout for Toronto. I know they're not in
a playoff position right now, but they're coming on strong.
Boston's been surprisingly good, the Islanders have done a great job.
But the probably and I'm gonna tell you this and again,
it's not because I'm with my friend Mark madder On
in my favorite city in the NASHA Hockey League, Pittsburgh.
But I will tell you right now, probably the best
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early season story of the Pittsburgh Penguins. Most people did
not have them. They had them where Buffalo is right now.
If you want to know the truth, which is at
the bottom of the Eastern Conference. So hats off to
Dan Mus and his staff, and hats off to Kyle
Dubis and Jason Spetcher. They're doing a great job in Pittsburgh,
you know what. They're doing a really good job with
Wolfsbury too. And Will Horkoff is Shredding College.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh my god, Oh my god. How good is that? Kids?
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Redding college hockey?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Is he a top six per Is he like a
first line wing?
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Do you think I think he is? Yeah, especially at
his height. He's six four. They say sixty five, and
let's say he's closer than sixty four. But I watched
his dad play for a long time. His dad went
to Michigan STAD. His dad was a real good player
for Edmonton, finished off in Detroit. His dad was a
good player. This kid's got his dad's hockey since his
dad had a lot of good hockey sns. But this
kid can finish place. There's a little bit of Jimmy
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Snugger run in him. Who's playing in Saint Louis right now.
He's the real deal, like this kid. This kid is
a top six score he is for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Pierre has always terrific stuff. Enjoy the hockey. We'll do
it again next week.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
No more shootouts. Tell the coaches, no more shootouts.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Thanks March, I'm going to rally the troops.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
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Okay, Sensation Nation something like that. We have calls on
the fifteens at three fifteen, so get your calls in now.
I want your reaction to the Pirates just missing. On
Kyle Schwarber, he signed with the Phillies five years, one
hundred and fifty mil. The Pirates offer of four years
for one hundred plus mill magically got clarified to four
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years one hundred and twenty mil, which means they offered
the same average annual value as the Pirate fans posing
as media are wallowing in. But that's not just missing,
that's missing by twenty percent. And I don't believe they
bid what it's reputed they did anyway. Uh, don't you
understand this is all BS and you shouldn't believe a
word the Pirates say. Ever, So your thoughts on that.
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At eight three three four one two WSDX, we barely
talked about the Steelers and also for this show, which
is the way I like it.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
But the Steelers are three and a half point favorites
at home against Miami on Monday. Miami can run the
ball eighth in the league. The a train a chain
who's banged up, but he's expected to play. He's third
in the league yards, first in the league in rushing average.
It almost well five point eight yards, close to six.
Miami rushed for two hundred and thirty nine yards against
the New York Jets on Sunday, and the Jets can't
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stop the run, but neither can the Steelers. So I
feel like Miami just might run the ball. And the
over under for rushing yards by the Dolphins in hundreds
would be five.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Maybe. No, that's stupid and was way too convoluted.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I tried too hard sometimes, but Miami cannon will win
the ball, so this game won't be easy.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And McDaniel their coach.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
He might be a geeky looking guy, but I'd take
him over Tomlin, even though Tomlin said today my god,
Tomas said, I've been on the hot seat for nineteen years.
He has like a lifetime contract with the Steelers. Might
as well anyway, and he said he's on the hot seat.
He's black Trump. He is black Trump. Tomlin is black Trump.
Donald Trump, Mike Tomlin, the president, the Steelers coach are
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the two biggest horsemen or artists in the world.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I have a tough time picking between one and two,
So your thoughts on any of that. Eight three three
four one two WXDX Liverpool are playing ter Liverpool playing
two strikers up front in the absence of most Salah
or the Palindrome almost got in there. Penguins play tonight
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they host Anaheim. I'd rather talk Penguins, but that's as
is tradition with me. There's so many good stories with
the Penguins. The resurrection of Eric Carlson, the resurrection of
Kristin Jari sid with eighteen goals, the kid line ben
Kindle in particular, the change is made like the new coach.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Gino in the Mammoth line, although Gino's on on the
injured list in is week to week so as Blake lost.
But what I just said, them are all good stories, right, Okay?
Now tell me one story about the Steelers that is
remotely interesting, legitimately interesting. What the forty two year old
quarterback Give me a break. Everything with the Steelers is
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so stale. Seven and six is so stale. Where they're
headed is so stale, like it was with the Penguins,
totally stale until they made legit change to get younger.
The Steelers have had the same coach for two decades
and this year they got older, which I guess is
okay when the average age of the crowded Acresshore is
seventy six, same as the average IQ. You know, it
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is a great story with the Steelers really seriously at
Coles and Pierre at cornerback for real, if it wasn't
for them. Remember that secondary was supposed to be strength, right,
and it's not. But it ain't totally useless like it
looked like it would be and was for a while.
And the reu for that is Eccles and Pierre, who
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only figured in very peripherally at the beginning of the year.
Eckles was going to be like the nickel dime guy
something like that, and Pierre wasn't going to play at
all except in case of emergency. Well, they had to
break glass, and he's done pretty good in in the various.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Roles he's been assigned.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The Steelers really left it up with Slay, really efted
up with Slay. Eccles and Pierre bailed him outs that
number again eight three, three, four one two wxdx.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
This game's kind of kind of kind of bad so far.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Fifth minute Neil nil, back to the goalie, back to
the goalie, back to the goalie, back to the goalie,
back to the goalie, back to the goalie, back to
the goalie. I would like to talk about that that
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this utter deception.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
With the Schwarber.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Contract sign with Philly Fires one hundred fifty mil, the
Pirates supposedly offered four years one hundred and twenty mil,
upgraded from what was reported up until today. Up until
after the Phillies signed Schwarber, it had been four years
one hundred million plus. The ambiguity now has been rounded
up to make it seem like the Pirates just missed.
I don't believe that. For second, I would think they
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offered four years something around one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But now they just missed because.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Because like those guys who cover the Pirates, they don't
believe anything they're told. And but to be honest, so
will Ken Rosenthal and Jeff Passing and their ilk them guys.
I can see them like getting a report about the
Pirates and saying that who cares if it's true or not,
it's only the Pirates, let's just go with it. I
do like the story of Philip Riffs coming back to
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play for the Colts. He's so old, you know what.
I've seen him though recently, I think recent pictures of
him at home with his three thousand kids. You know what,
maybe the culture having trouble selling tickets, neart to buy
tickets for all his kids. Now once he starts playing. Uh,
he owns younger than Rogers. For sure, he does look
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younger than Rogers. Then again that that would be hard
to I mean, like I keep saying, wartime president pow
and all that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
What else do we go?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh, Pat McAfee said ESPN would want Notre Dame in
the college football Playoff. There's there's there's some criticism because
you know, everybody is Notre Dame's enemy in this little
drama an ESPN because how was it worded? Because they
never get them on TV because they don't have the
TV rights, so they just you know, want to get
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back a Notre Dame by keeping them on. I don't
know how much influence ESPN has, but they do have
the rights to the college Football Playoff. But McAfee pointed out,
and I think rightly, that this playoff is the only
way ESPN could ever get Notre Dame on TV. But
you know, Pat also is overestimating the current appeal of
Notre Dame, much like Notre Dame is overestimating the current
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appeal of Notre Dame. It's not the sixties. The four
Horsemen are out of eligibility. I mean, Notre Dame. They're
not his popcarst pit. I mean, let's put things in perspective.
Uh eight three three, four one two WXDX. What else
do we got?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh, Chador? Did I mention Shador?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Kevin Stefanski says Shador Sanders is going to be the
starting quarterback the rest of the season at Cleveland, and.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I guess Sanders has earned it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
He had a great game against Tennessee and loss to
the worst team in football. But credit to Shador, who
conquered his poor urban upbringing and the racist white football establishment.
But I feel like to make it right for all
that Chador's had to suffer through being dropped in the
draft because he's black, I feel like Cleveland should get
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a wild card into the playoffs automatically, because if Chador
started season, Cleveland would obviously be in the playoffs. A
player of the caliber of Shador Sanders should be in
the playoffs, just like Crosby belongs in the NHL playoffs,
except Sador is way better at football than Crosby is
in hockey. If he was white, the NFL would do it.
In fact, here's what would solve all the problems. Josina
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Anderson needs to be named NFL commissioner.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You know it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
We're all gonna rock to the rules I make.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
How you like it?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
That exit one nine, it's.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
The dog cart with all the dogs there, and then
people see you don't really know because it's the dog mark,
it's the dog cart.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Once the Steelers beat Baltimore and got in the first
place in the AFC North, admittedly with the crappy record
of seven and six, I knew that it would re
establish the narrative that the Steelers can beat anybody and
that Mike Commin is among the best coaches in football.
And that has happened very decisively in the two days.
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Since there's this headline at the Athletic. We got the
fabo on at four o'clock. There's this headline at the Athletic.
Pittsburgh offense reignites. Really, when did that happen? They rushed
for thirty four yards total at Baltimore they got gained
by one hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
They only had the ball for twenty six minutes.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Not exactly the definition of ignites or reignite, but again,
that's the narrative. I told you that's how it would go.
Right now, it's time for calls on the fifteens. It
is so fetch I can't remember that catchphrase that nation sensation, adjudication, libation.
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Let's make some Hey, that's what you say. Let's go
all the way. So we'll just talk to John and Butler. John,
you're on with Mark.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Anymark.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
The Steelers could very easily lose out the rest of
the season. They're offer and prime time to they lose
against Miami Detroit Scot two very good running backs. Cleveland's
always tough to play in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Baltimore is going to.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Be looking for a revenge game unless they have already
won the division, So Toomlin's winning record goes out the window.
No chances.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I think you're probably overestimating.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I do think they could lose to Miami, though, and
if they lose to Miami, things could go badly south.
I think Miami is a bad matchup for the Steelers
right now they could win the ball, and they're hot.
They've won their last four, So I think this game
will tell a tale because I think this was a
game that people counted on as a Steeler win.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think it's way too simple to do that now,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, Tomlin can't win a game in prime time.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, He's won a lot of games in prime time.
It's just not going good this year. You're generalizing, and
I get it. You don't like Tom and me neither.
But criticism is better served when it's accurate, and you're
just generalizing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Let's go to Steve. Steve, you're on with the super genius.
Hey Mark, what up?
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Man?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
What Hey? First? Two things, real quick, one comment, one
question about hockey and Jari. First of all, me and
my seven year old Jake metschitt Marinos in Greensburg a
couple weeks ago for the watch party. You signed his
broken leg, his cast and he gave him a headshot
and that just made his year. Man, and I just
wanted to throw that out here on the air, let
people see that side of you.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
So thank you for that. I am a great guy.
How's your kid doing? Okay, he's doing a lot better.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Man, he's super excited I'm calling right now. He wants
to say ah, I say Ahi, buddy, all right, Mark,
I got a question worry about the Jari thing about
I'm totally on board what you're saying about getting You know,
you can't disrupt the locker room right so right now.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
When you're in a playoffs.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Now, now, if they would have I have a five
or six game losing streak, which could happen in the
next five or six games, not least with Gino sidelined indefinitely,
then you can revisit that trade. That's why I think
Dubis negotiated what he did, which is to make Edmonton
take on all of Jari's salary. He knew they couldn't
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do that. They're cap tight, but they could revisit it later.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
You know what I mean. He didn't say no, He
made them say no. That's how I envisioned it.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Anyway, I'm aligned with you on that. My question is
a little bit more. I don't know different, but like
in your experience, how aware guys like Jari of that
kind of trade talk do they? You think he's aware
of this, and like I'm not saying he's listening to
you on the radio, but he has an agent, he
has people that are in his ear telling what's going on.
Do they do they pay attention to that? Is that
getting their head at all? Or is that just noise
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and they cancel that out and they just move on
with their day.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
I think it gets in their head if it's felt
to be imminent. But I think this is way on
the back burner, not least because you know it's been
It's known that edmund And is tight against the cap,
so I think it's on the back burner. That said,
I don't think it would bother Jari. He has history
in Edmonton, having won the Memorial Cup, playing major junior there,
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and obviously if I were him, I'd like to go
to a contender like Edmonton who's been in the last
two finals, wouldn't you?
Speaker 6 (13:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Absolutely, man, That's all I had. Mark, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
We love listening to you, buddy. Thank you, brov.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, it only bothers, guys if the talk is NonStop
and something is perceived to be imminents. This is just
idle chatter with the Canadian media, which gives it all
the lesser credibility. By the way, the NFL admitted had
fed up the roughing call on the Steelers long snapper
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Coons don't pronounce that name wrong, which prolonged the Steeler
drive and got him seven points instead of three. But
the Steelers won by five, and that's only a four
point swing, so well deserve victory by the Steelers. According
to Harba, the Baltimore coach, the NFL told him it
was a bad call, but Harbo would say that he's lying. No,
he's probably not, Harbaugh said. The NFL also told him, well,
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they asked him, they said, what.
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Speaker 9 (14:55):
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week against Miami after dealing with Tom mccranes during and
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Pens are back on home ice and they'll face Anaheim tonight.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Pitsburg just finished the.
Speaker 9 (15:08):
Road trip with five of a possible six points and
the NBA Cup quarterfinals those will tip off tonight with
Eastern Conference action between the Magic and Heat and the
Knicks and the Raptors.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
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Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's the dog cart. Were all the dogs there and
then people. He said that you don't really know because
it's the dog. Mark, it's the dog.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Mark Peng was at home tonight against Anaheim, joining me
not to discuss. It's the best hockey talk you can
hear anywhere. Always a pleasure to talk to. Pierre Maguire, Pierre,
how interested is Edmonton and Tristan Jarry, the Penguins goalie,
and what other goaltenders might the Oilers also be looking at?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Well, I think they've got a lot interest in Tristan Jerry.
Compound that with the fact that he's a local boy
and who's made well. You know, he was a tremendous
player with the Edmonton Noyle Kings major junior team in
the Western Hockey League. He's a kid from not far
from downtown Edmonton, so I think they'd have a significant
amount of interest in Jerry. I think there are other
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goalies that they're probably looking at around the league. There's
not a big laundry list of goalies that are available,
so it's gonna be interest to see which the wrection
they were going. But right now, I think they're probably
feeling pretty good about their group, but they definitely need
some help and goal and definitely needs some help on defense.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Well, part of what I think is going to delay
that dealer. Maybe Ky wash it altogether. Pierre is Pittsburgh's
in a playoff spot and playing pretty well, so Dubas
can't really trade Jari while that's going on. He'd lose
the dressing room.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
Oh, there's no question about it. That's why I'm kind
of thinking about this long term, big ball picture, and
I'm going, you know what, I'm not sure the appropriate
thing for Kyle to do this to do, especially when
you consider Sidney Crosby being part of your team, Brian
Rust being part of your team. Obviously, Geno went healthy,
and everybody knows about Latang. It's a good story of
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all the guys that have been there to help me
in the cops for the Pittsburgh Panglers, especially in sixteen
and seventeen, and then obviously as you get older with
la Tang and Knocking and Crowby, you go back to
the nine. But I think it would be who Pittsburgh
could think long and hard before they make any news
right now. I like the fact they're allowing Harrison Brummick
to go play in the World Junior. I know it's
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something we talked about a long time ago, and I
think it's a really appropriate move for that game man
to be doing.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
That is this run by Jaria Fluke Pierre or as
he turned the corner. His numbers are good, but more importantly,
he's the party. Looks good in the net.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Well, he looks big, he looks anchored, he's not guessing.
He's reading plays a lot better than what he was
over in the last few years. I think Andy Kyoto
probably deserves some credits for that. I think Tristan deserves
some credits that too, There's one other thing that's an
amazing motivator for a goalie, it's ice time, and so yeah,
she lost has kind of struggled a little bit here
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the last little while, but before that he was playing
really well and Mirrorshof is the real deal. I think
everybody knows that, especially Tristan Jarry. So there's a lot
of internal pressure for him to do well and be
a captive audience for any coaching that might be going
on now.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
As you alluded to a moment ago, if Guinny malkt
his week the week the Penguins do.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Not have a ton of firepower up front, how do
they get by with that? Gino?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Well, I'm getting Brazil back is going to help. I think,
manthis still I think you look at that line in particular,
if they keep it together with Mantha, Kevin Hayesen and
Justin Brazil, that could do some damage offensively. You know,
Gino's played such a good two way game. That'll be
hard for Kevin and replace that just because he doesn't
move around as well as a game does. But one
(18:52):
of the things that I'm really excited about is, you know,
just the way Sydney is playing and Novak looks like
he might be a good fit. Plans left Winger on
that line with Rush and Crosby, and that could be
really like found of money for getting a charity back.
Has definitely helped, and I'm still anxious to see how
Rutger McGroarty can do over a long stretch of time,
just not a short sample size. So I think there
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are other candidates internally that I just mentioned Mark that
can really help step up and fill the void. But
obviously we felt with Geno being out.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
You mentioned Rutger McGroarty, the Penguin using a kid line
of Kendall, Coven and m McGroarty. What are the pros
and cons of using a bunch of guys that young
on the same forward unit.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
It's multi in your own zone, not so much in
the offensive zone. And the offensive zone will be fine,
especially with Kindall's creativity, mcgrery's ability to get to the
net in the hockey sense of Coven, and it's when
they're in their own zone where you could be in trouble.
I watched the sequence last night and I'll just use
it as an example. I watched the sequence last night
in Vancouver between with the Canucks team, and the one
(19:57):
thing that was really apparent right size versus some of
the Vancouver defensemen. And one of them was Tom Gilmer,
who's a kid that was a tremendous player at Boston University,
and he was in a one on one battle with
one of the Detroit forwards and you know, he's just
a really high end player coming out of BU. He
couldn't contain his man like there was no physical way
(20:18):
he could do that, and that's where the problems happened
for younger players. It' said one on one downloall batchups
and for whether it's Ben Kendall or Rutcord Mabiority, younger
guys just finding their way, how to establish pressure points,
body positions, stick position and just getting physically stronger.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Uh, let's step with McGroarty for just a second, because
we've not talked about him. He's been hurt, did rehab
and Wilkes came back up and I think he's done
pretty good. He plays aggressive. What's your take on him?
Speaker 6 (20:48):
That's his game. I mean I go back to watching
them play obviously in the US national team development program
and then at the University of Michigan, and the thing
that all stood out of calls him. There's a dogged determination.
And I'll never say ever say this just because it's
not very long. There was a player that used to
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play in the National hockey leadion John Tonelli, and I'm
watching Rutgor McGroarty play at Michigan and I'm watching him
play at the national team development program. I'm seeing this
dogged determination and a little bit of growl on the
fore check. And that's kind of who you remind me of.
You know, Johnny was a really good player in the league,
and I think Rutger eventually can be there too. He's
working on his stoating and that's an important thing for him.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, to now, he broke our hearts in eighty one. Pierre,
thanks for bringing that up. We're talking talking to Pierre
maguire here on the Mark Madden Show. Pierre, here, here's
an odd stat The Penguins ran first in power play
conversion at thirty three percent, but they ran dead last
in power play opportunities at sixty six total.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Why is that and how did the Penguins fix that?
Speaker 6 (21:56):
I don't know. It's one of the things that's really confounding.
It's a great job of breaking down stats by you.
It's one of the things that especially when you got
veteran players like Sidney Crosby, Brian russ A, Ginny Nlek
and Crystal Tang Eric Carlson, they usually get the benefit
of the doubt from the officials when it comes to calls.
It could be borderline one way or the other usually
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goes to the side of the veteran player rather than
a younger player. For whatever reason, that's not happening. I
think one of the things that the coaching staff probably
wants to get them to do. Spend more time than
the offenses on below the hashmarks sports the icing line
create more cycle opportunities there. That's usually where a lot
of penalties are called and maybe you know, get a
(22:36):
better transition game or a quicker transition game. So a
lot of players for the opposition may be hooking down
or holding. But it really is interesting that they do
not have more power play opportunities.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
No question, the.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Penguins played really well at Dallas, didn't they And really
the whole three game road trip got five points out
of it.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Oh, I thought the Pengins were really good on this
road trip. They were fantastic. You know, A little bit
of divine intervention for Dallas, especially in the Miro haskin
and goal going off of dlakeerzot stick and passed Tristan Jarry.
But I thought, buying Lawyers, that was a really well
played game by Pittsburgh. That's a very good Dallas team,
I would say in the league right now, Colorado is won,
(23:18):
and you'd have to say that Dallas is probably number
two in terms of overall depth of organization the players
that they have. So that was a really good showing
on that entire will trip by the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
The peng was lost in the shootout of Dallas and
have not lost four shootouts this year, eight straight dating
back the last season.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
How do you fix that?
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Because this time at one the goalie's fault, Jari only
conceded once in the three shots.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
I can't stand the shootout, can I say that much?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I know I've been saying that for a couple of
years now. I think at the beginning it was a novelty,
but it's long since served its purpose.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
I think one of the things that I'd like to
see and I think could be a good compromise A
lot of people are saying, go ten minutes of overtime.
I think that's too much. Let's go to seven minutes
like the American Hockey League does, and let's see if
we can't get a winner three on three after seven minutes.
I think they'd be a good compromise and it gets
a shootout right out of it.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
But what said the Penguins do because Sid and La
Tang players, but they're just so predictable.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
On the shooter to uh don't get to shootouts. I
don't know what else to tell you, you know, I
just I remember Mark, this will make you laugh because
got a Pittsburgh tie into it. I'm doing a Ranger
game and I think they're playing silly and Yarmer Yager
is part of the New York Rangers at the time,
(24:46):
and Tom Rennie's coaching the Rangers, and I hear Tom
say you're up, and Yarmoor goes, I'm not comfortable doing this.
I'm not doing this. And it was no secret around
the league. Yard didn't want to take shootouts, and he
didn't a lot of times he didn't. Sometimes he did,
but more times than not, he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, and that ties back to sit in La Tango,
and I think they go by road. I think they
go because they're the team's best players, not because they're
good at shootouts. I think that applies to Gino when
he's healthy as well. So here's my two options here.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Let me see what you think. I try the kids
like Coyvenan and Kindle.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Coyvenan had a pretty good track record of it in
the AHL. Or they're practicing shootouts now, which the Penguins
did not do for a long time. I would base
it totally on how guys finish in competition doing shootouts
at practice.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Oh, I agree, but it's really hard to, you know,
do that theory and then bring it into a game.
I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't always work
out that way. I've tried it, you know, as a
coach too. I was part of the coaching staff when
the shootouts first came in, and you didn't, by the
way back in those days, any loser points. So if
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you lost enough of them, it would really hurt your
ability to make the playoffs. People don't talk about that,
and coaches actually got those as losses on their record.
Now the coaches don't get those on their record as losses,
so it's you know, it's interesting how it's all played out.
But the Shore I was a conundrum for everybody. I'd
like to see it go away to be total franked.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Anaheims and Town. They made the Pacific Division. What's might
the Ducks come on strong this year.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
They got the best free agent signing last summer, a
guy named Joe Quenda arguably one of the best coaches
we've had in the last twenty years in the National
Hockey League. The smartness of Patabeek to go out and
get up somebody like Chris Pridis and the New York Rangers.
I know people in Pittsburgh aren't goin of like this,
but Jacob Truebau is a very good addition for their team.
Radcope Gutis was a good addition to their team. And
(26:51):
I would say signing Alex Kloran a couple of years
ago was a great addition. But they've got young guys
all growing at the same time. Miss Leo Carlson, if
you haven't seen a play, he's special. Mason McTavish was
a great restricted tree agent signing for them in the summer.
Seneca as a tremendous first round pick who plays on
the right side with McTavish and Cutter Gocei. And if
(27:13):
you haven't seen Cutter Gorocei play, he's one of the
better young power forwards in the league. So they got
a lot going on there. They're battling a little bit
of an injury bug in the back end and goal
especially with the Stall not being ready. He's their number
one goalie. But they're they're a really good team. But
I gotta tell you it all comes down in the orchestration.
They have the best reason signing of the summer Joel.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Quinvioll and Pierre I got to give a shout out
to Cutter Gotier because he's my favorite non Penguin because
he refused to play for the Flyers, and him and
some of the guys on that team, they show why
you don't give up on young guys or call him
a bust if they don't blossom right away, you got
to be patient. And I think Gaudier, Leo Carlson too,
they're evidence of that.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Oh, there's no question. But here's the thing I don't understand.
The people have said, well, Cutter Gocher revolved soo his
first year, he played one game because he played at
Boston College. He was almost won to Hovey Bakers. He
had one assist in one game play. I did a
research on it today. His second year, which was last year,
he played eighty two games. He had twenty goals and
(28:15):
twenty four assists on the non playoff team used plus eight.
This year, in twenty nine games, he got sixteen goals
and seventeen assists for thirty three points, and he's plus seventeen. Like,
I don't get what people are doing. Like you, I
know you watched the late games from the West coast.
I watch all of them, but I'm telling you most
people at the East aren't watching these games, and they
(28:35):
have no idea how good these players are.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Markets unbelievable, Pierre, here's a trade rumor that really has
me wonder. New Jersey wants to trade for Quinn Us
from Vancouver, the great defenseman and unite all three uses
on the Devils. What would New Jersey have to give
up for defenseman that's top three in the league.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
Well, we all start, for sure, Nkoheisher, he'd be one
part of it. You probably have to deal a first
round pick. You probably have to trade Seamus Casey, who's
a young defenseman out of the University of Michigan, and
you probably have to put it. It'd be at least
four components. It could be five. He Sho would have
to be one of the components for sure, maybe even
(29:19):
Dawson Nurcer. But I can't see New Jersey doing that.
Kind of defeats the purpose. If you really want to know,
and I know it's fashionable, say oh, New Jersey, New Jersey,
New Jersey, because his two brothers are there, Jack and Luke.
I think Detroit makes way more sense. They have so
much more artillery, so much more that Vancouver could use.
And I especially the Swedish component with Patrick Alden, the
(29:43):
general manager in Vancouver, is very comfortable with because he
knows the body of work of those players so well.
I would be looking at Detroit honestly before i'd be
looking at New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, I have thousand percent agreed. But here's the catch.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
The users seem hell bent on playing together at some
point somewhere, and that means that Vancouver could overcharge for
them with for him with New Jersey for sure. But
here's the problem. And I know you agree with this
how many times in hockey is a trade made, We're
the team that doesn't get the best player somehow wins
(30:17):
the deal anyway.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I can't give you an actual number, but it does happen.
I mean, look at Pittsburgh Penguin Lore Let's just do
let's just do the math. We traded two future Hall
of famers. I didn't do it. I was part of
it that Craig Patrick did it. Traded Mark Wrecky and
Paul Coffee, and we got back Rick Hackett, very good player,
but not a Hall of Famer. Shehelle Sanderson, very good
(30:41):
player but not a Hall of Famer, and Kenny Reagan.
We won the Stanley Cup in the President Trophy the
next year. You know, we want the Stanley Cup in
ninety two, in the President Trophy in ninety three. So
that's an example of you trade two Hall of famers
but your team building to get better plays. I don't
know exactly if that deal benefit Jersey or not in
long term, especially with the price point they'd have to
(31:03):
take that. I'll tell you one thing, Mark, I mean
this from the bottom of my heart. They haven't played
a playoff game in Detroit since twenty sixteen. I'm just
telling you that this kid's a Michigan kid. He grew
up in Ann Harbor, even though he's born in Toronto.
I thank Detroit needs this player more than Pittsburgh does
at this point, more than New Jersey does at this point,
(31:23):
and more than maybe Toronto does at this point. Detroit
really needs that player, Pierre.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Who's the best team in the East, because I'm tempted
to say none of the above right now.
Speaker 6 (31:32):
None of the above. We're on the same page.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Who's the closest.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You know, Tampa was rolling now they've lost four in
a row. Lookout for Toronto. I know they're not in
a playoff position right now, but they're coming on strong.
Boston's been surprisingly good, the Islanders have done a great job.
But the probably and I'm gonna tell you this and again,
it's not because I'm with my friend Mark madder On
in my favorite city in the NASHA Hockey League, Pittsburgh.
But I will tell you right now, probably the best
(32:00):
early season story of the Pittsburgh Penguins. Most people did
not have them. They had them where Buffalo is right now.
If you want to know the truth, which is at
the bottom of the Eastern Conference. So hats off to
Dan Mus and his staff, and hats off to Kyle
Dubis and Jason Spetcher. They're doing a great job in Pittsburgh,
you know what. They're doing a really good job with
Wolfsbury too. And Will Horkoff is Shredding College.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh my god, Oh my god. How good is that? Kids?
Speaker 6 (32:24):
Redding college hockey?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Is he a top six per Is he like a
first line wing?
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Do you think I think he is? Yeah, especially at
his height. He's six four. They say sixty five, and
let's say he's closer than sixty four. But I watched
his dad play for a long time. His dad went
to Michigan STAD. His dad was a real good player
for Edmonton, finished off in Detroit. His dad was a
good player. This kid's got his dad's hockey since his
dad had a lot of good hockey sns. But this
kid can finish place. There's a little bit of Jimmy
(32:50):
Snugger run in him. Who's playing in Saint Louis right now.
He's the real deal, like this kid. This kid is
a top six score he is for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Pierre has always terrific stuff. Enjoy the hockey. We'll do
it again next week.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
No more shootouts. Tell the coaches, no more shootouts.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Thanks March, I'm going to rally the troops.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
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