October 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk Steelers, TJ Watt, Dugger trade and recap the Pens and Flyers from last night.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Mark Madden Show. You like it, you
love it, you want more of it. You can follow
me on Twitter at Mark Madden x. I consider myself
to be tough but fair. If you listen to what
I just said about the Steelers and TJ. Watt, you
detected no lies. Seriously, you look at this game. It
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has the anticipatory feeling of a public execution. Andy leads
the NFL in points per game, number three in offensive
yards per game, number six in rushing yards per game,
number six in passing yards per game, and have four
legitimate stars on offense. And the Steelers rank third from
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bottom in total defense and very obviously stink on that
side of the ball. So we can keep talking about
the Steelers all day long as you are wont to
want me to do. Or we can talk about the
World Series. Toronto wins six to two, even as the
series it will go back to Toronto.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Ohtani got his ass kicked.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
People said he was tired from the eighteen inning game,
like he was the only guy who played eighteen innings
the night before. Or we could talk about the chaos
of that hockey game. Two goals in overtime, both waved
off and correctly so a fight at the end of overtime,
Sid left the bench just kind of caused the game
was over, but he peripherally joined in the scrum was
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thus ineligible for the shootout and could get suspended for
ten games.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's the rule.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You leave the bench to participate in an altercation, you're
automatically suspended for ten games.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But I bet he's not. Shilloffs in goal.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Was very good in regulation, in and overtime, but he
allowed two out of three goals in the shootout after
allowing three goals in the shootout Saturday night when the
Penguins lost to Columbus ATVPG. And you can't lose every
shootout if you're a borderline playoff team, I would say,
like I always preached, when Flurry would happen to be
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on the bench in the game went to a shootout,
you should stick him in.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
He's the superior shootout goalie.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But the Penguins aren't spoiled for choice there because Shilloffs
stinks at shootouts.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
That's a tongue twister.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Shill Off stinks and shootouts by the seashore, and Jari
stinks at shootouts as well. On the bright side, that's
points in seven straight games. But you lost to the
biggest jerkoffs in the world, and they got a new
chief jerkoff in Zigris who is one hundred percent pew sillanimous.
But he takes a poke at at chari when a
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Chari was down on the ice. When did this guy
grow balls? I saw him play for anatime, Like I said,
pure pucellanimous, Gina got stupid, left the bench early, Onder
delayed penalty to degate what would have been his game
winning goal a overtime and made a dumb turnover and
overtime that led to him taking a hooking penalty, but
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Sid scored. I'll take the point. It really was a
frozen frenzy. But that seven to two and two record
is starting to flatter to deceive just a little bit.
Brunet got scratched for third straight game in four excuse me,
third time in four games, so maybe he's headed back
to junior, although that's not what I would do. Like
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I said yesterday, if you send him don or kindle
don there deservedly in the lineup most nights, and you'd
eliminate that youthful energy and the elimination of staleness that
has helped.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
This team so much.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right now, it's the kids dressing room with Sid kind
of overseeing. If the kids leave, it becomes Kevin Hayes's
dressing room, and that just shouldn't happen. Hey, there's a
lot of hockey to talk about, and I like it
like that, not least at four o'clock when I am
joined by the aforementioned Ben Kay, eighteen year old prodigy
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at center.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
He joins me at four pm, looking forward to talking
to him.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
His mom and dad were both pro soccer players, so
I will ask him who his favorite soccer team is.
And as we know, that's a pretty important question around
these parts, there's really only one answer. Oh. In the
Steelers got Kyle Dugger from New England. I mentioned that,
a safety he started the last four years for the Patriots,
and part of this.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Year getting him, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Got dropped from their lineup, dropped down the depth chart.
How good could he really be? They got Peppers from
the Patriots too. It turns out he sucks, so to me,
getting this guy's like a butterfly stitch on a shotgun wound.
Maybe Dougla is okay, He's probably a bum And New
England is paying most of Dougger's remaining salary, so New
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England is paying him to play for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
This is Jonah Hill from Moneyball.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean, how bad you want to get rid of
a guy when you pay him to play for somebody else.
It's hard to look at this Steeler game Sunday is
anything but a massacre unless this dugger die saws everything
a safety like Peppers did, like Chuck Clark did, and
like jan Thornhill did. Let's talk to Tommy Radio, Tom
does Dugger giant right in a play with Elliott out?
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This likely precludes this acquisition, likely precludes Ramsey playing safety,
which is too outside the box for Tom Went anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, and I don't understand that Ramsey should be playing
safety more. I think that's an obvious solution to be
better than Duggar. I think at it. Does he play
right away? Yeah? I bet he plays more than a
typical acquisition would play in his first game with his
Elliott's out desperation, Yeah, and I mean I know I'm desperate.
He'll be able to help and run support and they're
gonna get run all over by Jonathan Taylor, so he'll
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be at least able to you know, take a stiff
arm fifteen yards down the field and at least bring
him down before he gets into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Am I right to say that? There's no way to
imagine this game not being a in favor of India.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I can't. I can't imagine it. And you know that
old trick that people were doing last week and I
was guilty of it. Of Oh, you know, this is
the Mike Tomlin bounce back. Just when you think he's
on the ropes. It's like Rocky Balboa. He fights his
way back. You never thought he'd be back in the fight.
There's just no way I see that happening in this game.
It's the worst matchup you could possibly have.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think it's the worst matchup you could have, particularly
at this juncture of this season, after what happened in
the last two games.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They just flattened teams. It's an offensive line that just
fires off the ball, puts you in the dirt. And
Jonathan Taylor's the best running back, best player in football
right now, He's gonna win the Offensive Player of the
Year running away with it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
One of the Steelers lose by thirty, what will local
fan reaction be and what will the national media say,
because the national media is starting to turn definitely starting
to turn on the defense, more so yet than Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, I think it would just kind of keep going
in the direction that it's already heading. Obviously, more so
if you have that thirty point blowout lost second straight
time at home, where you've just gotten flattened by a team.
I know the Packer game wasn't a thirty point blow up.
The second half might as well have been. It was
a flattening. It might have been an omen for what
that full sixty minutes is going to look like on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You know what's gonna happen. Your prediction is gonna come true.
They're gonna be six and six, and so will Baltimore.
When when the Ravens and Steelers played December seventh, a
day that will live in infamy.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So that means the Steelers the ones that are like.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Day that will live in infamy.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
The logical wins for the Steelers there are home against
Cincinnati and then on the road against Chicago. I consider
those in no way, shape or form locks, though right
now I mean a road game in Chicago. They I
think in Chicago. First of all, Oh, they'll be beat
in Chicago, And how can you be like, well, they'll
at least take care of the Bengals at home. What
Joe Flacco's coming into town?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I told former peng Was vice president and noted historian
and author Tom McMillan about the day that will live
in infamy line which I used yesterday about the December
seventh game and twice again today by way of trying
to jam it that everybody strokes.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And he said, you know, there's no way most people
got that right.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I know it went over my head at very first
when you said it, And honestly, the only reason I
got it is probably because I'm hanging around you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A day that will live in infamy? You reiterate what
I said yesterday. I'm concentrated on taking Tyler Warren out
of the game. The rookie tight end at the very
least narrowed down Indy's weaponry.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And Ben had a great idea. By the way, we're
gonna play that sound bite.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He said, play Ramsey in the slot, but man him
up on the tight end.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Ramsey isn't fast enough to stay with the Jamar Chase,
but he can stay with a tight end, and while
there would be a size differential, Ramsey is adequately physical.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He's very physical. I think he's good in run support too,
which would also feed into Ben's theory of sticking him
in the slot more. He can help there against Jonathan Taylor.
But sure, I would love to take away Tyler Warren
and I guess Ramsey's the best bet to do that.
But I mean, Tyler Warren's the best tight end in football.
Maybe as a rookie he's at least up there. He
has a say in that. That's easier said than done,
especially with this defense. The inside backers are so bad.
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They were supposed to be able to cover everybody, right,
they get torched every game.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Ben came up with the best idea I've heard for
the Steeler defense then i've seen put in action by
either Tomlin or Taro Austin.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Everybody always wanted them to be the offensive coordinator, like
when Matt Canada got fired, Maybe he should be the
defensive coordinator too.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You stole my line for later one oh five to
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Speaker 4 (09:13):
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Speaker 1 (09:17):
X Big Soccer Day today, Liverpool hosting Crystal Palace and
the Caraball Cup. Despite recent struggles, I maintained the faith
because I'm a real fan. I would not sell my
ticket to a Green Bay Packers fan. And don't forget
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the River Hans open up USL Playoff action. Tickets available now,
so check it out. It's always a great atmosphere. I
think there's been eight straight home sellouts at Highmark for
the River Hans, but tickets are still available, so go
see the River Hauns play. I think it's hard for
the athletic in a single game elimination first run of
the USL Playoffs. It's hard to look at this Steeler
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game Sunday's anything but a mindless slaughter. I've been saying that,
you know, repeatedly since we got on air, unless this
Dugger solves everything at safety like Peppers did, like Chuck
Clark did, like Thornhill did. Actually I repeated something I
just said in the last thing, but it's so funny.
I mean, come on, come on, you really think Dougger
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is gonna do anything needed?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean, with Elliott Odd, I get it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Hey, I'll be honest about what's gonna happen, which is
the last thing you want. I know, if the Steelers
lose to Indie by a considerable score, their season collapses.
And if they brought in all these vets, specifically because
we ain't won a playoff game in seven years, we
got to do that, and they don't even make the playoffs,
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which could easily happen. Well, moving forward, it'll get worse
before it gets better. I think we might finally be
looking next year if they missed the playoffs this year,
we might be finally looking at the four win season.
We need so badly to turn this effing thing around.
And then maybe you gotta change the coach, and that's
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needed even more badly. And the thing is, I say
this stuff and you get mad at me. But you
know I'm right. You know for sure, you know you're
not stupid. Wait, let me rethink what I just said.
The Steelers are on the precipice as a franchise, but
not Tomlin because Tomlin is not required to have any accountability,
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which might be the biggest part of the problem. And
here's a scenario I'm just lusting after. If Rogers decides
to play next year and he stays healthy and keeps
doing okay this season, he won't come back to the Steelers.
He signed a one year deal. Let's not forget he'd
go to Minnesota because Minnesota made a mistake this year.
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And I didn't think so, but they made a mistake
this year with a team that could win right now.
They made a mistake gambling on McCarthy and Wentz should
have kept Donald, franchised him whatever, or got Rogers. I
can't believe in retrospect they didn't franchise Donald. The franchise
tag isn't used nearly enough. Let's talk ab out to
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Tommy Radio. Tom do you agree that Rogers, if he
does play, it won't be here next year?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh, it'll be attractive for him if a Vikings job
does open up, and it looks like it's going to
be open right now. I mean, the Vikings are just
a much better team offensively for him to be a
better offensive line. Although the Steres offensive line has actually
played okay this year. Yeah, not bad, not bad, but
better off. They're not a big concern every snap.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Like like like they were early, like like Jones and Vatanner.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
They're not gonna make called pro, but they've they've gotten better.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The Vikings are the definite spot, the number one contender.
But like Mark, why wouldn't he just get into the
waters with some other teams that might need a quarterback
like the Arizona Cardinal. I think they have talent. Kyler
Murray stinks they're gonna be done with him right now.
I think you're right. But I'm just trying to say, like,
there's gonna be options out there for him.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Do you think Rogers knows yet that Tom was incompetent?
He made a mistake coming here.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I wonder if it's starting to creep into his.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I don't know how a guy like that, who's won
and been MVP could look around at what's going on
and say, boy, this isn't what I bargained. Rogers bought
into the myth and now he's experiencing the reality.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I'll tell you what I think he's definitely starting to notice.
Is you know, I thought this defense was going to
really carry me and carry this team, and I was
just gonna have to do just enough and my acumen
was going to get us some wins in some really
tight games. And instead it's kind of like these old
Green Bay days where I'm actually playing great. I have
the second most touchdown passes in the league. My defense
gives up thirty points a game, though I have to
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get into these shootouts all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Here's another possibility that he came out of the dark
room all fed up in ayahuasca and like, a couple
of days later, said I signed with who.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
He didn't realize if it was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
His agent's like, yeah, Pittsburgh. Wait, but Pittsburgh. I want
to talk about the Penguins game a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
What's your take on the fight at the end of
overtime in the Penguins game. I hate fights, but I
liked that the Penguins stepped up. Zegres is a rat
and Sid really could get suspended. I don't think he will,
but that is the rule ten games if you leave
the bench and participate in an altercasion.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
You know, I like, he probably should get suspended, right
if that is the rule, because he did do that.
It was so inadvertent, Okay, I'm just plus.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
He's shidh Okay, Okay, it would be so NHL if
they suspended Sid for ten games. Meanwhile, oh Tani bet
on baseball when he's out there in the World Series.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It would also just be so NHL from the aspect
of their own sport, where like Jacob Truba could literally
massacre Sid with his stick. I mean, he looks like
Ross the Boss Ray in the movie Gooon. Remember when
he just took his stick and whacked that guy in
the head.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
He can do that to Sid and he get on whatever.
That's just hockey, that's playoff hockey. Suck at Sid. But
Sid leaves the bench inadvertently, that's ten games. Rules are rules,
said the kid. So that would be just so funny.
He's not gonna get suspended though. Well let me tell
you though, Dubus.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Last night, I saw the OE article at the Athletic
was speaking preemptively in that regard, so they know that
it's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That it could happen. Yeah, it's hanging out there. I
would be really shocking if the NHL had the balls
to do that. I like the fight, as you said though,
from the Penguins, you know, a charie kind of getting
suckered down on the ice. Don't let that happen to
your boy, and get out there and get in their face.
And it's so Penns Flyers. That was such a Penns
Flyers game last night.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We got we got TK later because you know he
loved that stuff. I can't wait to hear what Tyler Kenny.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Has to say.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm gonna ask we have Ben Kindler from God, ask
if he hates the Flyers yet he has to rite.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean, that was such a great introduction to that,
and you know he knows how much Sid hates it
just by being around him before that game and during
that game.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, Sid, Sid's in denial about that though. Whenever I
kid said about that, he kind of like rolls his eyes.
He told me one time he goes, I think, I
think you hate them more? Is there to which I said, well,
they never took my teeth up, but you do you?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Is there a non zero I think his goal was
a lot of luck. There's a non zero percent chance
he did that on purpose, though, right try to bank
it off that guy's back. I think he probably.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think he's trying to center it. Took the possibility
into a cop that could happen.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I think he's trying to center it and elevate it
a little bit just to Yeah, like you said, kind
of have the odds go up. But I mean, there's
no way that was on purpose.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Right, Like like I said earlier, Tom two, if you're
gonna get into playoffs, which is their intent, and now
it's seven to two, why wouldn't it be like Tom,
they will now be in the race at the very
least be in the race through Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, And I'd hate to be cliche and always go
back to that, But that's just the benchmark, right, that's
the numbers dictate that you think it's like ninety three percent, right,
it's very guaranteed almost that you're gonna make the playoffs.
And we're there, Mark, we're a couple of weeks away
from Tom.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
If you're in the playoff spot at New Year's there's
one hundred and forty one and two thirds percent chance
that you qualify for the postseason. But but you can't
lose every shootout. And Shiloffs looks helpless on the shootout.
I'm surprised he stopped the one and said, can't lose
every shootout.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You can't lose every shootout. And Mark on the last
one that was scored with Bobby Bringks poke check, dude,
he was just dancing in front of you with it
still lost.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Start. Nobody poke checks. I always don't poke check.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
When you see the slow motion of it and him
just kind of going back and forth and deaconing over
and over and over again, and she loss is like
his stick is lifted. It's like, dude, you have a
stick in your hand, just get the puck.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'd be tempted to if I play goal. If the
guy comes in you know, real slow, which I hate,
and goes way wide, which I hate, I just skate
out him and whack him in his head and say, okay.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Good to try if he scores or not, who cares?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Uh, Penglins have been out shot in four straight games now,
and in every game but three out of eleven this season.
That doesn't mean everything, Tom, but it doesn't mean nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I would be interested to see if you could break
that down too into like high danger shots too, because
I think they're allowing teams to get shots, but they
are shots to go.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh, that's definitely true.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
They are not allowing uh that as many high quality
chances as the mere shot margin would indicate. And they're
they're defending the house. Yeah, like they're like Porky said, yesterday,
like the goal.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
On what you're doing defensively, So a lot of times
I think is, hey, they should shoot it right into
our goalies chest protector and it's up to the goalie
to make the save. And so far, she loves Njari
have been making the saves aside from the shootouts when
she loss is it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've been mostly happy with the goalies outside of Shiloff's
into two shootouts. I post this yesterday, but I don't
think we had a chance to discuss. Let's say they're
in a playoff spot in January and Morrishoff is ripping
up the American Hockey League. Do you bring him up
or do you leave him there and stick to your plan?
Because at that point, she loves Njari, you have done
enough to get you to where you want to be.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
They have to be playing well, like there's just no way,
and I don't really see a bottom falling out on
one of them and the other one still playing as
he is and the team still having success, you know
what I mean? Like the rotation, I think is what's
helping everything.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You know what I do If I'm used, I tell
like my veteran players to just shoot high on the
goalies until one of them gets hurt in practice, Yes, exactly,
keep dinging him till one gets concussed.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, the first part of what you said, Miroshov ripping
it up in the AHL, Like that's happening right now,
That's going to continue to happen. He's gonna be ripping
it up. Come janius Tom.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I really believe he's a superstar goalie, not like I
think he might. This a bold statement. I think, not
do more than Flurry, but be a better goalie than Flurry.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Okay, so they don't have that crown jewel prospect as
far as a forward is concerned in their organization. Is
it good enough to have a goalie like that to
kind of be the leader?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It can get you to a certain point that you
still need a forward of that calendar can.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Get you to a certain point. I absolutely you do.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And it and as good as I think Kindle is,
I you know, I think he's a I think he
could be a real good second line set. He'd be
a good compliment to who we're talking about they still need. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1 (21:47):
The Liverpool in the League Cup today, playing the equivalent
of the Pirates Sunday lineup. Let's see how that works out.
It's only the League Cup, but still you hate to lose,
especially as we've been losing. Tom uh last night World
Series game. Otani pitts for La last night and got
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his ass kicked, and Toronto even the series. Not an
indictment of Otani by any means. Toronto has some good bats,
Laddie had a big shot and it is the World Series.
But the excuse I saw is Otani was tired for
the night before the eighteen inning game. Okay, well, why
it was just Otani tired? Everybody else played eight innings
the night before too, not just Otani. And he was
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only the d eighth, yes, so he should have been
less tired, exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's what I was thinking too. Like this guy, Yeah,
he's you know, focused in and those at bats are
really intense moments. But he walked five times. At the
end of that game, he got a free pass to
first base and he's just sitting on the bench from it.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But it does put him on the base pass to
run though.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And I remember he got caught stealing too when he
tried to do that the first intentional walk. It was great.
He can't pull off the back. This is a great
world series, Mark like, it has been awesome. I love it.
It's the best of three right now. Otani had his
big moments. I'm glad it's going back to Toronto. Yeah,
Tawny had his awesome make the heart's broken in person,
and then uh, Guerrero's hitting his big shot off of Otani.
I mean, like, the storylines are just amazing. The international
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Canada versus the LA I think that aspect's pretty cool
to it. I think this has been in a fantastic
world series.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
How can Lady Guerrero go in the postgame show and
still mostly be speaking broken English? I mean, his dad
played in the Majors, he spent his whole life here.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I'm surprised he's not speaking French since he was up
in Montreal for all those years. What's a good call? Uh, okay,
who's gonna win the World Series?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I still think the Dodgers are gonna win the World
Series because now the pitching rotation turns back over again.
After they went to Otani. Yeah, Blake Snell, you're gonna
get Snell, and you're gonna get Yamamoto. Who Yamamoto?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I mean, he should be your favorite pitcher. The dude
just goes nine innings every single time he's out there.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's gonna know.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Dave Roberts is my favorite manager because he's managing to
win and not just by rote, not just by what
every other manager does in every other situation.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And you know what, I know, it was only six
innings last night, and Otani kind of got beaten in
that sixth inning. The two of his four earned runs
were there and then two on the Vladio home on earlier.
But Roberts was letting him go a little bit longer,
like they probably could have pulled him before that sixth
inning and probably would have in a normal Otani start,
but I think he was going to lean into him
more and say, keep us in this game on the mound.
Roberts is great, but it's back to back complete games
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in the playoffs, so that has to have been a
long time since that happened.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I picked La to win because I just want, you know,
Canada to never win at any sport ever again. But
I probably underestimated the Blue Jays in the harsh glare
of Otani. What do you mean, like well, like like
Otani is such the story. I just figured, Okay, he's
on the Dodgers, they'll win.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Oh, I got what I mean, like the Blue Jays,
underestimating them as a team almost although they did start.
Was I k f in the lineup last night. He's
in the lineup every night.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
He's been like clean up for them that and that
shows why the Pirates just blow.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
He's protection from Vladimir Guerrero Junior in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And we couldn't get nothing, nothing out of him. You
know why, because he came here and his spirit got broken.
I remember the remember the quote from him last year.
This wasn't anything like I thought it would be.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You've noted several times while he was here that he's
one of the few professional hitters that they had, and
he started the season hitting close to three hundred. I
think for the first couple of months, and I think
what you said, he just got it beaten out of him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That the team just sucks so and they kept batdam
night Yeah, No matter what he did, they kept batdam
Knight exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So that was bs honestly, good for him, good for
Glass now, and good for all these guys that prove
that they're not bombs. It's the pirates that are the bombs.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Did you see Paul Skean just doing a charity endorsement
with Cane's chicken fingers?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I like Skeins more and more.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I did not see that, but that's a great endorsement.
What's the what's the catch there?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think it's veterans?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Is he just on the I want to.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Make an announcement right here.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Remember I called skins and cheap skate, Yes, when he
spoke at that charity fundraiser for what volunteer fireman? Right, Neil,
you have one thousand bucks. I'd like to say right now,
Paul Skeins, if you're listening, and I know you are,
I will donate a thousand bucks to this charity if
you come on the show. And all we have to
talk about is Cane's chicken fingers.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Not great. They are there, so they're so good, that's
all we have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Is he gonna be in commercials?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Is that? What the deal is. I hope he Jane's
commercials not a very charismatic fellow though, so I don't
know how he doing commercials. He's boring, isn't He's very
you know what?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Though, I think that serves him well pitching for that
sinking ship of a franchise, because if you, if you
were too emotional, God, you just you'd have a noose
hanging in your locker.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
That's very fair. I wish he'd have a little bit
more emotion, a little bit more outspoken nature to him though,
about what's going on with this team, because he can
he might.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yet the Pirates had a new pitching coach. Can he
screw up skins in chand Or?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
That's quite the challenge, and maybe Chandler will give him
the time of day. There's no way Skeens listens to
anybody in that organization, right.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I hope not.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
There's no way he does. Skeans just does his thing.
He goes out there, he does his routine and follows
his scouting report. He does his own stuff. I'm almost guaranteeing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would just let him pitch like he wants to pitch.
Probably Bubba too. I think I would watch him like
I'd go over video with him and I try to
fine tune. But in terms of if it came down
to one guy making the decision, I would let the pitcher,
not the pitching coach.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah. I mean, like with someone like a Bubba, I
would maybe be a little bit more on him as
far as like, you're this pitch works really well for
you here, and like kind of fine tune him there
and kind of let him kind of guide his path
is to whin I can use this pitch off of
that pitch. But Skeens already knows all of that stuff.
That's what's so impressive about Skeen. It's not the velocity
and it's not just the crazy stuff. He knows how
to compliment all of his pitches. He knows when to
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use them.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The only worry I've ever had about him is I
think sometimes he tries to expand his repertoire too much,
like like Rick Vaughn in Major League two. But but
you know, but he knows when to go to his
bread and butter. He knows when to emphasize what's working,
and he recognizes what's working.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Speaking of baseball, I love that you used the moneyball
reference when you were talking about Kyle Dugger earlier in
the show because I thought the same thing when I
saw that report that the Patriots were picking up most
of his salary, I was like, that's the David Justice
Billy being conversation from him.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, you know what, you know what. The Steelers
true believers are saying. He's a real good player, but
Vrabel is just giving up on some guys that aren't his.
First off, he just got there, so how many of
those guys are really his? And second off, Pepper's didn't
work out so good, did he?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm ninety five percent sure Mike Rabel didn't draft Drake
May so he would qualify as not likeables.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
The Steelers true believers trying to paint a picture where
something happens beside the Steelers getting folded, spindled and mutilated
by Indianapolis on Sunday. And if that does happen, if
they get a better result than I'm expecting, it won't
be because a freaking dugger.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And to riff off the moneyball thing a little bit
more like the Patriots are paying him to go to
the Steelers. If the division doesn't work out for the Steelers,
they're paying him to play for a direct competitor who
already has a win over them when it comes to
the AFC wild Card. They don't fear Kyle Duggar's impact
at all. And the Steelers are a team that matters
when it comes to the Patriots in their playoffs standing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The New York Yankees are paying you to play against them,
that's what they think of you.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Dj Okay, Billy, what are you getting at?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I love that movie so much, all time baseball movie,
even though they did your boy art how so dirty?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, shaler Grad more famous than me, one of the few.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I mean, like, it's a movie, so wee have to like, Well,
what do.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You think was the biggest It's a great movie, and
movies have misrepresentations. I'd watch that movie if it was
on right now during the show at the expense of
the show, much like a Liverpool game coming up at
three forty five.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But but, uh, what do you think was the biggest
misrepresentation of Moneyball?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That they didn't show you how good the staff was
for the A's and players like Miguel Tahada were never
highlighted like they had studs on that team. It wasn't
just you know the Hadibergs.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, Art said that because I was very honored because
I really like Art and he he did two media
appearances to kind of deny Moneyball, and this show was
one of them.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I really like Art, but.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
He didn't want you know he said, he said on
the show. I forget what his exact verbiage was. He
didn't want to appear like a baby. You know what
I mean? Because he said, Philip Seymour Hoppin's a great actor.
I'm honored he portrayed me. They just didn't really get
it right. You know what else true, Philip Seemore Hoffin
came off as kind of frumpy because Phillip Semore Hoffman,
you know, God bless him, was kind of frumpy. Art
was a great athlete. You know what Art did at tailor.
Art was playing in a baseball game at the old
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high school. I'm mot royal rain delay. Okay, rain stops
while they're fixing the field, like putting sawdust on and stuff.
There's a track meet right next to baseball game. Art
goes over wins the hundred yard dash during a break
in the baseball game.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, true story.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Okay, now that's better than like Dion's double play, like
that thirty for thirty playing in the baseball game and
then the football game. He did another sporting event in
the middle of a sporting event. That can't be done again.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Though. The biggest misrepresentation besides how Art was portrayed, actually
is probably even bigger.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And Art said it.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He said, we had three of the best, arguably ten
starting pitchers in baseball, and they were barely mentioned or
portrayed in the entire movie. And that's why we won.
He said, it wasn't me, it wasn't Moneyball, it was
who wasn't.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Hudson, Zeno, Moltar and Hudson.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, just three stunts.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
They were unbelievable. And then there was one shot where
you see like Tata's name on the back of his jersey.
We got the Hoda was an MVP level player going
to Baltimore. I think he did win an MVP there.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And like and like, there's a thing where Billy Beans
tells guys not to steal bases. There's no percentages in it.
They were among the league leaders and stolen bases at
you still bases all the time. But but but The
idea of the movie was to get across the concept
of moneyball.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And did our hell when he was talking to you,
was he like me and Billy had a relationship that
was good. He was a good working relationship like Billy.
Didn't over manage me or tell me when he They.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Say, this is so many words.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But the thing where he just left cause of money
because the Mets paid more, that's true. I don't blame him,
that's sure true. No, h okay, don't forget. We have
Ben Kendall, the Penguins rookie at four o'clock. We have
the course you on some time before that, right three thirty.
And you know I can't wait because the course he's
a big Tomlin guy. Oh yeah, gonna be a rumble.
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Speaker 4 (31:48):
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Speaker 3 (31:54):
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Speaker 1 (32:00):
That's the show. The pregame show brought to us play
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They got your back, not your wallet, Tom. What do
we got today for the red hot as always, trifecta.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
For today's trifecta, I've got three things that really just
sucked about that Penguins game last night. Aside from of
course losing to those bastards in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Losing to the old enemy.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Number three for me is actually very game specific. I
really hated how they didn't change on the power play
in overtime, that it was just sid Gino, Carlson.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And Ross all the time.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That was towards the end of the power play, though,
I would have liked to throw some fresh guys on
the ice, especially when it's a four on three. Yes,
that's what I was thinking. Maybe Kendall and Coyven and
just get some speed out there when it's four on three,
I would have liked. It's it's nitpicky, but I think
I would have liked to see that. Number two is
the ESPN play by playbox when they were in the
shootout and how you had to watch the Dallas and
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watch the game.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Because they were doing the Frozen Frenzy with all thirty
two teams playing bad and they didn't want to miss
out on Yeah, bad for us, I understand.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
No, I don't understand. That's not how any other sport
does it? Like if college football games run over, the
other game goes on the ESPN News or something like that,
and then they'll switch whenever the game ends. Who was
playing in the other game Colorado and no was Washington
in Dallas?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Ob I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
It's Sid in the Penguins versus the Flyers. I would
prefer not, but I get it. But Number one has
you know, you know where they blow with the with
the frozen frenzy. They should have like on the NHL
network or wherever. They should have their version of red Zone.
Every time there's a Frozen Friends show, Goals goals goals.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Is I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Is this the only frozen frenzy of the year.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think there's four.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
They need to be even more than that.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
They need to be on weekends when people can watch
the afternoons and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Start the staggered start at like one or noon. Absolutely,
I think that'd be such.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Or you can do one of those deals like where
you have a game in Stockholm or whatever nine like
at eleven.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Am right? But Number one the thing that sucked the
most has to be Trevor's egress. Now he's the new
public enemy number one when it comes to flyers, And
wasn't he a part of the cutter go tier deal
when Goti went out there? Then they send Zegres to Philly.
I don't know, he might have been a free agent.
I was gonna say, if he was a part of
that deal, how perfect would that be for one guy
who hated the flyers lead.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
No, he's in. He's not my most hated flyer ever
because that covers a lot of gravity. He is a
bitch with a capital C currently though speaking, I don't
know who is. And it kind of was kind of
getting dry there as far as like a hatable flyer
because they were just such a team and nothing team.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
But now we got one with Zegres.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, and the worst part of that whole deal was
like if a Chari's not prone on the ice, face
down and Secres goes over and accost him, a charge
just rips him the shreds.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I mean, that's not even close in a fight.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's why you're saying, you're like surprised that Zegris kind
of showed that kind of balls right, like you never
thought he had it in You know what, though.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Sometimes people get that jersey on you know what I mean,
Like it used to be the opposite with the Penguins.
We would have guys come that were tough, and when
they came to Pittsburgh they thought there were hockey players.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Seriously, like Jimmy Mann who broke Paul Gardner's jaw.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Paul Gardner was one of our power play guys when
when EJ reinvented the power play in the early eighties,
Guard scored thirty power play goals in the year. Think
about that and Jimmy Mann sucker punched him as broke
his jaw. Then a couple of years later we pick
up Jimmy Mann and he thought he could play hockey.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
That kind of started happening towards the end of the
Mike Sullivan era too, with some of these guys that
they'd bring in, like they just tried to play join
the circus with Did.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
You see Rempy's hurt the Goon in New York? No,
which I bet Selly's happy with that he doesn't have
to play him anymore. Wouldn't want to play him anyway.
I bet Selly got there and the first thing they
told him was you have to dress Rempy.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
He probably was like, can we trade this guy please, well,
who would want him? Yeah, that's a good point. It
really sucked seeing Talk on the bench too, right like
at the reminder every time, like a great he's on
the flyers, but he is a flyer so he's probably
really happy.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Then no, he's I mean, people forget this and I
love Talk, but he's more flyer than he Absolutely, he's
in the Flyers Hall of Fame, they said last night.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Eleven seasons as a flyer.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, yep, no cups one oh five nine the X.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Now it's your chance with
This is the Mark Madden Show. You like it, you
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me on Twitter at Mark Madden x. I consider myself
to be tough but fair. If you listen to what
I just said about the Steelers and TJ. Watt, you
detected no lies. Seriously, you look at this game. It
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has the anticipatory feeling of a public execution. Andy leads
the NFL in points per game, number three in offensive
yards per game, number six in rushing yards per game,
number six in passing yards per game, and have four
legitimate stars on offense. And the Steelers rank third from
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bottom in total defense and very obviously stink on that
side of the ball. So we can keep talking about
the Steelers all day long as you are wont to
want me to do. Or we can talk about the
World Series. Toronto wins six to two, even as the
series it will go back to Toronto.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Ohtani got his ass kicked.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
People said he was tired from the eighteen inning game,
like he was the only guy who played eighteen innings
the night before. Or we could talk about the chaos
of that hockey game. Two goals in overtime, both waved
off and correctly so a fight at the end of overtime,
Sid left the bench just kind of caused the game
was over, but he peripherally joined in the scrum was
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thus ineligible for the shootout and could get suspended for
ten games.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's the rule.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
You leave the bench to participate in an altercation, you're
automatically suspended for ten games.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But I bet he's not. Shilloffs in goal.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Was very good in regulation, in and overtime, but he
allowed two out of three goals in the shootout after
allowing three goals in the shootout Saturday night when the
Penguins lost to Columbus ATVPG. And you can't lose every
shootout if you're a borderline playoff team, I would say,
like I always preached, when Flurry would happen to be
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on the bench in the game went to a shootout,
you should stick him in.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
He's the superior shootout goalie.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But the Penguins aren't spoiled for choice there because Shilloffs
stinks at shootouts.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
That's a tongue twister.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Shill Off stinks and shootouts by the seashore, and Jari
stinks at shootouts as well. On the bright side, that's
points in seven straight games. But you lost to the
biggest jerkoffs in the world, and they got a new
chief jerkoff in Zigris who is one hundred percent pew sillanimous.
But he takes a poke at at chari when a
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Chari was down on the ice. When did this guy
grow balls? I saw him play for anatime, Like I said,
pure pucellanimous, Gina got stupid, left the bench early, Onder
delayed penalty to degate what would have been his game
winning goal a overtime and made a dumb turnover and
overtime that led to him taking a hooking penalty, but
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Sid scored. I'll take the point. It really was a
frozen frenzy. But that seven to two and two record
is starting to flatter to deceive just a little bit.
Brunet got scratched for third straight game in four excuse me,
third time in four games, so maybe he's headed back
to junior, although that's not what I would do. Like
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I said yesterday, if you send him don or kindle
don there deservedly in the lineup most nights, and you'd
eliminate that youthful energy and the elimination of staleness that
has helped.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
This team so much.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right now, it's the kids dressing room with Sid kind
of overseeing. If the kids leave, it becomes Kevin Hayes's
dressing room, and that just shouldn't happen. Hey, there's a
lot of hockey to talk about, and I like it
like that, not least at four o'clock when I am
joined by the aforementioned Ben Kay, eighteen year old prodigy
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at center.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
He joins me at four pm, looking forward to talking
to him.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
His mom and dad were both pro soccer players, so
I will ask him who his favorite soccer team is.
And as we know, that's a pretty important question around
these parts, there's really only one answer. Oh. In the
Steelers got Kyle Dugger from New England. I mentioned that,
a safety he started the last four years for the Patriots,
and part of this.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Year getting him, I mean he.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Got dropped from their lineup, dropped down the depth chart.
How good could he really be? They got Peppers from
the Patriots too. It turns out he sucks, so to me,
getting this guy's like a butterfly stitch on a shotgun wound.
Maybe Dougla is okay, He's probably a bum And New
England is paying most of Dougger's remaining salary, so New
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England is paying him to play for somebody else.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
This is Jonah Hill from Moneyball.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean, how bad you want to get rid of
a guy when you pay him to play for somebody else.
It's hard to look at this Steeler game Sunday is
anything but a massacre unless this dugger die saws everything
a safety like Peppers did, like Chuck Clark did, and
like jan Thornhill did. Let's talk to Tommy Radio, Tom
does Dugger giant right in a play with Elliott out?
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This likely precludes this acquisition, likely precludes Ramsey playing safety,
which is too outside the box for Tom Went anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yeah, and I don't understand that Ramsey should be playing
safety more. I think that's an obvious solution to be
better than Duggar. I think at it. Does he play
right away? Yeah? I bet he plays more than a
typical acquisition would play in his first game with his
Elliott's out desperation, Yeah, and I mean I know I'm desperate.
He'll be able to help and run support and they're
gonna get run all over by Jonathan Taylor, so he'll
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be at least able to you know, take a stiff
arm fifteen yards down the field and at least bring
him down before he gets into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Am I right to say that? There's no way to
imagine this game not being a in favor of India.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I can't. I can't imagine it. And you know that
old trick that people were doing last week and I
was guilty of it. Of Oh, you know, this is
the Mike Tomlin bounce back. Just when you think he's
on the ropes. It's like Rocky Balboa. He fights his
way back. You never thought he'd be back in the fight.
There's just no way I see that happening in this game.
It's the worst matchup you could possibly have.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I think it's the worst matchup you could have, particularly
at this juncture of this season, after what happened in
the last two games.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
They just flattened teams. It's an offensive line that just
fires off the ball, puts you in the dirt. And
Jonathan Taylor's the best running back, best player in football
right now, He's gonna win the Offensive Player of the
Year running away with it.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
One of the Steelers lose by thirty, what will local
fan reaction be and what will the national media say,
because the national media is starting to turn definitely starting
to turn on the defense, more so yet than Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, I think it would just kind of keep going
in the direction that it's already heading. Obviously, more so
if you have that thirty point blowout lost second straight
time at home, where you've just gotten flattened by a team.
I know the Packer game wasn't a thirty point blow up.
The second half might as well have been. It was
a flattening. It might have been an omen for what
that full sixty minutes is going to look like on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
You know what's gonna happen. Your prediction is gonna come true.
They're gonna be six and six, and so will Baltimore.
When when the Ravens and Steelers played December seventh, a
day that will live in infamy.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
So that means the Steelers the ones that are like.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Day that will live in infamy.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
The logical wins for the Steelers there are home against
Cincinnati and then on the road against Chicago. I consider
those in no way, shape or form locks, though right
now I mean a road game in Chicago. They I
think in Chicago. First of all, Oh, they'll be beat
in Chicago, And how can you be like, well, they'll
at least take care of the Bengals at home. What
Joe Flacco's coming into town?
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I told former peng Was vice president and noted historian
and author Tom McMillan about the day that will live
in infamy line which I used yesterday about the December
seventh game and twice again today by way of trying
to jam it that everybody strokes.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
And he said, you know, there's no way most people
got that right.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I know it went over my head at very first
when you said it, And honestly, the only reason I
got it is probably because I'm hanging around you so much.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
A day that will live in infamy? You reiterate what
I said yesterday. I'm concentrated on taking Tyler Warren out
of the game. The rookie tight end at the very
least narrowed down Indy's weaponry.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
And Ben had a great idea. By the way, we're
gonna play that sound bite.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
He said, play Ramsey in the slot, but man him
up on the tight end.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Ramsey isn't fast enough to stay with the Jamar Chase,
but he can stay with a tight end, and while
there would be a size differential, Ramsey is adequately physical.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He's very physical. I think he's good in run support too,
which would also feed into Ben's theory of sticking him
in the slot more. He can help there against Jonathan Taylor.
But sure, I would love to take away Tyler Warren
and I guess Ramsey's the best bet to do that.
But I mean, Tyler Warren's the best tight end in football.
Maybe as a rookie he's at least up there. He
has a say in that. That's easier said than done,
especially with this defense. The inside backers are so bad.
(08:49):
They were supposed to be able to cover everybody, right,
they get torched every game.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Think about this.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Ben came up with the best idea I've heard for
the Steeler defense then i've seen put in action by
either Tomlin or Taro Austin.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Everybody always wanted them to be the offensive coordinator, like
when Matt Canada got fired, Maybe he should be the
defensive coordinator too.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You stole my line for later one oh five to
nine The X.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's the Mark Man Free Game Show on d.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
X Big Soccer Day today, Liverpool hosting Crystal Palace and
the Caraball Cup. Despite recent struggles, I maintained the faith
because I'm a real fan. I would not sell my
ticket to a Green Bay Packers fan. And don't forget
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the River Hans open up USL Playoff action. Tickets available now,
so check it out. It's always a great atmosphere. I
think there's been eight straight home sellouts at Highmark for
the River Hans, but tickets are still available, so go
see the River Hauns play. I think it's hard for
the athletic in a single game elimination first run of
the USL Playoffs. It's hard to look at this Steeler
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game Sunday's anything but a mindless slaughter. I've been saying that,
you know, repeatedly since we got on air, unless this
Dugger solves everything at safety like Peppers did, like Chuck
Clark did, like Thornhill did. Actually I repeated something I
just said in the last thing, but it's so funny.
I mean, come on, come on, you really think Dougger
(10:23):
is gonna do anything needed?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I mean, with Elliott Odd, I get it.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Hey, I'll be honest about what's gonna happen, which is
the last thing you want. I know, if the Steelers
lose to Indie by a considerable score, their season collapses.
And if they brought in all these vets, specifically because
we ain't won a playoff game in seven years, we
got to do that, and they don't even make the playoffs,
(10:51):
which could easily happen. Well, moving forward, it'll get worse
before it gets better. I think we might finally be
looking next year if they missed the playoffs this year,
we might be finally looking at the four win season.
We need so badly to turn this effing thing around.
And then maybe you gotta change the coach, and that's
(11:12):
needed even more badly. And the thing is, I say
this stuff and you get mad at me. But you
know I'm right. You know for sure, you know you're
not stupid. Wait, let me rethink what I just said.
The Steelers are on the precipice as a franchise, but
not Tomlin because Tomlin is not required to have any accountability,
(11:36):
which might be the biggest part of the problem. And
here's a scenario I'm just lusting after. If Rogers decides
to play next year and he stays healthy and keeps
doing okay this season, he won't come back to the Steelers.
He signed a one year deal. Let's not forget he'd
go to Minnesota because Minnesota made a mistake this year.
(11:59):
And I didn't think so, but they made a mistake
this year with a team that could win right now.
They made a mistake gambling on McCarthy and Wentz should
have kept Donald, franchised him whatever, or got Rogers. I
can't believe in retrospect they didn't franchise Donald. The franchise
tag isn't used nearly enough. Let's talk ab out to
(12:24):
Tommy Radio. Tom do you agree that Rogers, if he
does play, it won't be here next year?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Oh, it'll be attractive for him if a Vikings job
does open up, and it looks like it's going to
be open right now. I mean, the Vikings are just
a much better team offensively for him to be a
better offensive line. Although the Steres offensive line has actually
played okay this year. Yeah, not bad, not bad, but
better off. They're not a big concern every snap.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Like like like they were early, like like Jones and Vatanner.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
They're not gonna make called pro, but they've they've gotten better.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
The Vikings are the definite spot, the number one contender.
But like Mark, why wouldn't he just get into the
waters with some other teams that might need a quarterback
like the Arizona Cardinal. I think they have talent. Kyler
Murray stinks they're gonna be done with him right now.
I think you're right. But I'm just trying to say, like,
there's gonna be options out there for him.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Do you think Rogers knows yet that Tom was incompetent?
He made a mistake coming here.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I wonder if it's starting to creep into his.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I don't know how a guy like that, who's won
and been MVP could look around at what's going on
and say, boy, this isn't what I bargained. Rogers bought
into the myth and now he's experiencing the reality.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I'll tell you what I think he's definitely starting to notice.
Is you know, I thought this defense was going to
really carry me and carry this team, and I was
just gonna have to do just enough and my acumen
was going to get us some wins in some really
tight games. And instead it's kind of like these old
Green Bay days where I'm actually playing great. I have
the second most touchdown passes in the league. My defense
gives up thirty points a game, though I have to
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get into these shootouts all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Here's another possibility that he came out of the dark
room all fed up in ayahuasca and like, a couple
of days later, said I signed with who.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
He didn't realize if it was Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
His agent's like, yeah, Pittsburgh. Wait, but Pittsburgh. I want
to talk about the Penguins game a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
What's your take on the fight at the end of
overtime in the Penguins game. I hate fights, but I
liked that the Penguins stepped up. Zegres is a rat
and Sid really could get suspended. I don't think he will,
but that is the rule ten games if you leave
the bench and participate in an altercasion.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
You know, I like, he probably should get suspended, right
if that is the rule, because he did do that.
It was so inadvertent, Okay, I'm just plus.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
He's shidh Okay, Okay, it would be so NHL if
they suspended Sid for ten games. Meanwhile, oh Tani bet
on baseball when he's out there in the World Series.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
It would also just be so NHL from the aspect
of their own sport, where like Jacob Truba could literally
massacre Sid with his stick. I mean, he looks like
Ross the Boss Ray in the movie Gooon. Remember when
he just took his stick and whacked that guy in
the head.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
That was great.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
He can do that to Sid and he get on whatever.
That's just hockey, that's playoff hockey. Suck at Sid. But
Sid leaves the bench inadvertently, that's ten games. Rules are rules,
said the kid. So that would be just so funny.
He's not gonna get suspended though. Well let me tell
you though, Dubus.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Last night, I saw the OE article at the Athletic
was speaking preemptively in that regard, so they know that
it's a possibility.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
That it could happen. Yeah, it's hanging out there. I
would be really shocking if the NHL had the balls
to do that. I like the fight, as you said though,
from the Penguins, you know, a charie kind of getting
suckered down on the ice. Don't let that happen to
your boy, and get out there and get in their face.
And it's so Penns Flyers. That was such a Penns
Flyers game last night.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We got we got TK later because you know he
loved that stuff. I can't wait to hear what Tyler Kenny.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Has to say.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
I'm gonna ask we have Ben Kindler from God, ask
if he hates the Flyers yet he has to rite.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean, that was such a great introduction to that,
and you know he knows how much Sid hates it
just by being around him before that game and during
that game.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, Sid, Sid's in denial about that though. Whenever I
kid said about that, he kind of like rolls his eyes.
He told me one time he goes, I think, I
think you hate them more? Is there to which I said, well,
they never took my teeth up, but you do you?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Is there a non zero I think his goal was
a lot of luck. There's a non zero percent chance
he did that on purpose, though, right try to bank
it off that guy's back. I think he probably.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think he's trying to center it. Took the possibility
into a cop that could happen.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I think he's trying to center it and elevate it
a little bit just to Yeah, like you said, kind
of have the odds go up. But I mean, there's
no way that was on purpose.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Right, Like like I said earlier, Tom two, if you're
gonna get into playoffs, which is their intent, and now
it's seven to two, why wouldn't it be like Tom,
they will now be in the race at the very
least be in the race through Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, And I'd hate to be cliche and always go
back to that, But that's just the benchmark, right, that's
the numbers dictate that you think it's like ninety three percent, right,
it's very guaranteed almost that you're gonna make the playoffs.
And we're there, Mark, we're a couple of weeks away
from Tom.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
If you're in the playoff spot at New Year's there's
one hundred and forty one and two thirds percent chance
that you qualify for the postseason. But but you can't
lose every shootout. And Shiloffs looks helpless on the shootout.
I'm surprised he stopped the one and said, can't lose
every shootout.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
You can't lose every shootout. And Mark on the last
one that was scored with Bobby Bringks poke check, dude,
he was just dancing in front of you with it
still lost.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Start. Nobody poke checks. I always don't poke check.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
When you see the slow motion of it and him
just kind of going back and forth and deaconing over
and over and over again, and she loss is like
his stick is lifted. It's like, dude, you have a
stick in your hand, just get the puck.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'd be tempted to if I play goal. If the
guy comes in you know, real slow, which I hate,
and goes way wide, which I hate, I just skate
out him and whack him in his head and say, okay.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Good to try if he scores or not, who cares?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Uh, Penglins have been out shot in four straight games now,
and in every game but three out of eleven this season.
That doesn't mean everything, Tom, but it doesn't mean nothing.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
I would be interested to see if you could break
that down too into like high danger shots too, because
I think they're allowing teams to get shots, but they
are shots to go.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh, that's definitely true.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
They are not allowing uh that as many high quality
chances as the mere shot margin would indicate. And they're
they're defending the house. Yeah, like they're like Porky said, yesterday,
like the goal.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
On what you're doing defensively, So a lot of times
I think is, hey, they should shoot it right into
our goalies chest protector and it's up to the goalie
to make the save. And so far, she loves Njari
have been making the saves aside from the shootouts when
she loss is it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've been mostly happy with the goalies outside of Shiloff's
into two shootouts. I post this yesterday, but I don't
think we had a chance to discuss. Let's say they're
in a playoff spot in January and Morrishoff is ripping
up the American Hockey League. Do you bring him up
or do you leave him there and stick to your plan?
Because at that point, she loves Njari, you have done
enough to get you to where you want to be.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
They have to be playing well, like there's just no way,
and I don't really see a bottom falling out on
one of them and the other one still playing as
he is and the team still having success, you know
what I mean? Like the rotation, I think is what's
helping everything.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
You know what I do If I'm used, I tell
like my veteran players to just shoot high on the
goalies until one of them gets hurt in practice, Yes, exactly,
keep dinging him till one gets concussed.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Well, the first part of what you said, Miroshov ripping
it up in the AHL, Like that's happening right now,
That's going to continue to happen. He's gonna be ripping
it up. Come janius Tom.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I really believe he's a superstar goalie, not like I
think he might. This a bold statement. I think, not
do more than Flurry, but be a better goalie than Flurry.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Okay, so they don't have that crown jewel prospect as
far as a forward is concerned in their organization. Is
it good enough to have a goalie like that to
kind of be the leader?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It can get you to a certain point that you
still need a forward of that calendar can.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Get you to a certain point. I absolutely you do.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And it and as good as I think Kindle is,
I you know, I think he's a I think he
could be a real good second line set. He'd be
a good compliment to who we're talking about they still need. Yeah, yeah,
same Logan Cooley signed that big deal today. Yeah, come
home eight years, eighty million. You know what I bet
he would sell a sticket to a Green Bay Packer fan.
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Speaker 4 (21:41):
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Speaker 1 (21:47):
The Liverpool in the League Cup today, playing the equivalent
of the Pirates Sunday lineup. Let's see how that works out.
It's only the League Cup, but still you hate to lose,
especially as we've been losing. Tom uh last night World
Series game. Otani pitts for La last night and got
(22:08):
his ass kicked, and Toronto even the series. Not an
indictment of Otani by any means. Toronto has some good bats,
Laddie had a big shot and it is the World Series.
But the excuse I saw is Otani was tired for
the night before the eighteen inning game. Okay, well, why
it was just Otani tired? Everybody else played eight innings
the night before too, not just Otani. And he was
(22:30):
only the d eighth, yes, so he should have been
less tired, exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's what I was thinking too. Like this guy, Yeah,
he's you know, focused in and those at bats are
really intense moments. But he walked five times. At the
end of that game, he got a free pass to
first base and he's just sitting on the bench from it.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But it does put him on the base pass to
run though.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And I remember he got caught stealing too when he
tried to do that the first intentional walk. It was great.
He can't pull off the back. This is a great
world series, Mark like, it has been awesome. I love it.
It's the best of three right now. Otani had his
big moments. I'm glad it's going back to Toronto. Yeah,
Tawny had his awesome make the heart's broken in person,
and then uh, Guerrero's hitting his big shot off of Otani.
I mean, like, the storylines are just amazing. The international
(23:10):
Canada versus the LA I think that aspect's pretty cool
to it. I think this has been in a fantastic
world series.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
How can Lady Guerrero go in the postgame show and
still mostly be speaking broken English? I mean, his dad
played in the Majors, he spent his whole life here.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I'm surprised he's not speaking French since he was up
in Montreal for all those years. What's a good call? Uh, okay,
who's gonna win the World Series?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
I still think the Dodgers are gonna win the World
Series because now the pitching rotation turns back over again.
After they went to Otani. Yeah, Blake Snell, you're gonna
get Snell, and you're gonna get Yamamoto. Who Yamamoto?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
I mean, he should be your favorite pitcher. The dude
just goes nine innings every single time he's out there.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's gonna know.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Dave Roberts is my favorite manager because he's managing to
win and not just by rote, not just by what
every other manager does in every other situation.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And you know what, I know, it was only six
innings last night, and Otani kind of got beaten in
that sixth inning. The two of his four earned runs
were there and then two on the Vladio home on earlier.
But Roberts was letting him go a little bit longer,
like they probably could have pulled him before that sixth
inning and probably would have in a normal Otani start,
but I think he was going to lean into him
more and say, keep us in this game on the mound.
Roberts is great, but it's back to back complete games
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in the playoffs, so that has to have been a
long time since that happened.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I picked La to win because I just want, you know,
Canada to never win at any sport ever again. But
I probably underestimated the Blue Jays in the harsh glare
of Otani. What do you mean, like well, like like
Otani is such the story. I just figured, Okay, he's
on the Dodgers, they'll win.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Oh, I got what I mean, like the Blue Jays,
underestimating them as a team almost although they did start.
Was I k f in the lineup last night. He's
in the lineup every night.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
He's been like clean up for them that and that
shows why the Pirates just blow.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
He's protection from Vladimir Guerrero Junior in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And we couldn't get nothing, nothing out of him. You
know why, because he came here and his spirit got broken.
I remember the remember the quote from him last year.
This wasn't anything like I thought it would be.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You've noted several times while he was here that he's
one of the few professional hitters that they had, and
he started the season hitting close to three hundred. I
think for the first couple of months, and I think
what you said, he just got it beaten out of him.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
That the team just sucks so and they kept batdam
night Yeah, No matter what he did, they kept batdam
Knight exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
So that was bs honestly, good for him, good for
Glass now, and good for all these guys that prove
that they're not bombs. It's the pirates that are the bombs.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Did you see Paul Skean just doing a charity endorsement
with Cane's chicken fingers?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I like Skeins more and more.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I did not see that, but that's a great endorsement.
What's the what's the catch there?
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think it's veterans?
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Is he just on the I want to.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Make an announcement right here.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Remember I called skins and cheap skate, Yes, when he
spoke at that charity fundraiser for what volunteer fireman? Right, Neil,
you have one thousand bucks. I'd like to say right now,
Paul Skeins, if you're listening, and I know you are,
I will donate a thousand bucks to this charity if
you come on the show. And all we have to
talk about is Cane's chicken fingers.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Not great. They are there, so they're so good, that's
all we have to talk about.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Is he gonna be in commercials?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Like?
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Is that? What the deal is. I hope he Jane's
commercials not a very charismatic fellow though, so I don't
know how he doing commercials. He's boring, isn't He's very
you know what?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Though, I think that serves him well pitching for that
sinking ship of a franchise, because if you, if you
were too emotional, God, you just you'd have a noose
hanging in your locker.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
That's very fair. I wish he'd have a little bit
more emotion, a little bit more outspoken nature to him though,
about what's going on with this team, because he can
he might.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yet the Pirates had a new pitching coach. Can he
screw up skins in chand Or?
Speaker 3 (26:22):
That's quite the challenge, and maybe Chandler will give him
the time of day. There's no way Skeens listens to
anybody in that organization, right.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I hope not.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
There's no way he does. Skeans just does his thing.
He goes out there, he does his routine and follows
his scouting report. He does his own stuff. I'm almost guaranteeing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I would just let him pitch like he wants to pitch.
Probably Bubba too. I think I would watch him like
I'd go over video with him and I try to
fine tune. But in terms of if it came down
to one guy making the decision, I would let the pitcher,
not the pitching coach.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Yeah. I mean, like with someone like a Bubba, I
would maybe be a little bit more on him as
far as like, you're this pitch works really well for
you here, and like kind of fine tune him there
and kind of let him kind of guide his path
is to whin I can use this pitch off of
that pitch. But Skeens already knows all of that stuff.
That's what's so impressive about Skeen. It's not the velocity
and it's not just the crazy stuff. He knows how
to compliment all of his pitches. He knows when to
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use them.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The only worry I've ever had about him is I
think sometimes he tries to expand his repertoire too much,
like like Rick Vaughn in Major League two. But but
you know, but he knows when to go to his
bread and butter. He knows when to emphasize what's working,
and he recognizes what's working.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Speaking of baseball, I love that you used the moneyball
reference when you were talking about Kyle Dugger earlier in
the show because I thought the same thing when I
saw that report that the Patriots were picking up most
of his salary, I was like, that's the David Justice
Billy being conversation from him.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
You know, you know what, you know what. The Steelers
true believers are saying. He's a real good player, but
Vrabel is just giving up on some guys that aren't his.
First off, he just got there, so how many of
those guys are really his? And second off, Pepper's didn't
work out so good, did he?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I'm ninety five percent sure Mike Rabel didn't draft Drake
May so he would qualify as not likeables.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
The Steelers true believers trying to paint a picture where
something happens beside the Steelers getting folded, spindled and mutilated
by Indianapolis on Sunday. And if that does happen, if
they get a better result than I'm expecting, it won't
be because a freaking dugger.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And to riff off the moneyball thing a little bit
more like the Patriots are paying him to go to
the Steelers. If the division doesn't work out for the Steelers,
they're paying him to play for a direct competitor who
already has a win over them when it comes to
the AFC wild Card. They don't fear Kyle Duggar's impact
at all. And the Steelers are a team that matters
when it comes to the Patriots in their playoffs standing.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
The New York Yankees are paying you to play against them,
that's what they think of you.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Dj Okay, Billy, what are you getting at?
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I love that movie so much, all time baseball movie,
even though they did your boy art how so dirty?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, shaler Grad more famous than me, one of the few.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I mean, like, it's a movie, so wee have to like, Well,
what do.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
You think was the biggest It's a great movie, and
movies have misrepresentations. I'd watch that movie if it was
on right now during the show at the expense of
the show, much like a Liverpool game coming up at
three forty five.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But but, uh, what do you think was the biggest
misrepresentation of Moneyball?
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That they didn't show you how good the staff was
for the A's and players like Miguel Tahada were never
highlighted like they had studs on that team. It wasn't
just you know the Hadibergs.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Well, Art said that because I was very honored because
I really like Art and he he did two media
appearances to kind of deny Moneyball, and this show was
one of them.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I really like Art, but.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
He didn't want you know he said, he said on
the show. I forget what his exact verbiage was. He
didn't want to appear like a baby. You know what
I mean? Because he said, Philip Seymour Hoppin's a great actor.
I'm honored he portrayed me. They just didn't really get
it right. You know what else true, Philip Seemore Hoffin
came off as kind of frumpy because Phillip Semore Hoffman,
you know, God bless him, was kind of frumpy. Art
was a great athlete. You know what Art did at tailor.
Art was playing in a baseball game at the old
(30:04):
high school. I'm mot royal rain delay. Okay, rain stops
while they're fixing the field, like putting sawdust on and stuff.
There's a track meet right next to baseball game. Art
goes over wins the hundred yard dash during a break
in the baseball game.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Okay, true story.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Okay, now that's better than like Dion's double play, like
that thirty for thirty playing in the baseball game and
then the football game. He did another sporting event in
the middle of a sporting event. That can't be done again.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
You hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Though. The biggest misrepresentation besides how Art was portrayed, actually
is probably even bigger.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
And Art said it.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
He said, we had three of the best, arguably ten
starting pitchers in baseball, and they were barely mentioned or
portrayed in the entire movie. And that's why we won.
He said, it wasn't me, it wasn't Moneyball, it was
who wasn't.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Hudson, Zeno, Moltar and Hudson.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, yeah, just three stunts.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
They were unbelievable. And then there was one shot where
you see like Tata's name on the back of his jersey.
We got the Hoda was an MVP level player going
to Baltimore. I think he did win an MVP there.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And like and like, there's a thing where Billy Beans
tells guys not to steal bases. There's no percentages in it.
They were among the league leaders and stolen bases at
you still bases all the time. But but but The
idea of the movie was to get across the concept
of moneyball.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And did our hell when he was talking to you,
was he like me and Billy had a relationship that
was good. He was a good working relationship like Billy.
Didn't over manage me or tell me when he They.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Say, this is so many words.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But the thing where he just left cause of money
because the Mets paid more, that's true. I don't blame him,
that's sure true. No, h okay, don't forget. We have
Ben Kendall, the Penguins rookie at four o'clock. We have
the course you on some time before that, right three thirty.
And you know I can't wait because the course he's
a big Tomlin guy. Oh yeah, gonna be a rumble.
(31:46):
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Speaker 4 (31:48):
It's The Woody Show week mornings at six Yeah, one.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
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Speaker 1 (32:00):
That's the show. The pregame show brought to us play
our good friend, Schendorova, Schendrovitch and Fisherman, the personal injury experts.
They got your back, not your wallet, Tom. What do
we got today for the red hot as always, trifecta.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
For today's trifecta, I've got three things that really just
sucked about that Penguins game last night. Aside from of
course losing to those bastards in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Losing to the old enemy.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Number three for me is actually very game specific. I
really hated how they didn't change on the power play
in overtime, that it was just sid Gino, Carlson.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And Ross all the time.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That was towards the end of the power play, though,
I would have liked to throw some fresh guys on
the ice, especially when it's a four on three. Yes,
that's what I was thinking. Maybe Kendall and Coyven and
just get some speed out there when it's four on three,
I would have liked. It's it's nitpicky, but I think
I would have liked to see that. Number two is
the ESPN play by playbox when they were in the
shootout and how you had to watch the Dallas and
(32:56):
watch the game.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Because they were doing the Frozen Frenzy with all thirty
two teams playing bad and they didn't want to miss
out on Yeah, bad for us, I understand.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
No, I don't understand. That's not how any other sport
does it? Like if college football games run over, the
other game goes on the ESPN News or something like that,
and then they'll switch whenever the game ends. Who was
playing in the other game Colorado and no was Washington
in Dallas?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Ob I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
It's Sid in the Penguins versus the Flyers. I would
prefer not, but I get it. But Number one has
you know, you know where they blow with the with
the frozen frenzy. They should have like on the NHL
network or wherever. They should have their version of red Zone.
Every time there's a Frozen Friends show, Goals goals goals.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Is I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Is this the only frozen frenzy of the year.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think there's four.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
They need to be even more than that.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
They need to be on weekends when people can watch
the afternoons and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Start the staggered start at like one or noon. Absolutely,
I think that'd be such.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Or you can do one of those deals like where
you have a game in Stockholm or whatever nine like
at eleven.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Am right? But Number one the thing that sucked the
most has to be Trevor's egress. Now he's the new
public enemy number one when it comes to flyers, And
wasn't he a part of the cutter go tier deal
when Goti went out there? Then they send Zegres to Philly.
I don't know, he might have been a free agent.
I was gonna say, if he was a part of
that deal, how perfect would that be for one guy
who hated the flyers lead.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
No, he's in. He's not my most hated flyer ever
because that covers a lot of gravity. He is a
bitch with a capital C currently though speaking, I don't
know who is. And it kind of was kind of
getting dry there as far as like a hatable flyer
because they were just such a team and nothing team.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
But now we got one with Zegres.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, and the worst part of that whole deal was
like if a Chari's not prone on the ice, face
down and Secres goes over and accost him, a charge
just rips him the shreds.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I mean, that's not even close in a fight.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
That's why you're saying, you're like surprised that Zegris kind
of showed that kind of balls right, like you never
thought he had it in You know what, though.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Sometimes people get that jersey on you know what I mean,
Like it used to be the opposite with the Penguins.
We would have guys come that were tough, and when
they came to Pittsburgh they thought there were hockey players.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Seriously, like Jimmy Mann who broke Paul Gardner's jaw.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Paul Gardner was one of our power play guys when
when EJ reinvented the power play in the early eighties,
Guard scored thirty power play goals in the year. Think
about that and Jimmy Mann sucker punched him as broke
his jaw. Then a couple of years later we pick
up Jimmy Mann and he thought he could play hockey.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
That kind of started happening towards the end of the
Mike Sullivan era too, with some of these guys that
they'd bring in, like they just tried to play join
the circus with Did.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
You see Rempy's hurt the Goon in New York? No,
which I bet Selly's happy with that he doesn't have
to play him anymore. Wouldn't want to play him anyway.
I bet Selly got there and the first thing they
told him was you have to dress Rempy.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
He probably was like, can we trade this guy please, well,
who would want him? Yeah, that's a good point. It
really sucked seeing Talk on the bench too, right like
at the reminder every time, like a great he's on
the flyers, but he is a flyer so he's probably
really happy.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Then no, he's I mean, people forget this and I
love Talk, but he's more flyer than he Absolutely, he's
in the Flyers Hall of Fame, they said last night.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Eleven seasons as a flyer.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, yep, no cups one oh five nine the X.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
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