December 11, 2025 • 35 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk about Burrow's crisis in Cincy, Watt's lung injury, and much more Steelers stuff. Pens and Habs tonight they get into that a ton and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's speak now with Tommy Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Tom As I just mentioned, we got a sound bite
from Orlovsky for later. Should the Steelers go get Joe
Burrow for next season? Could that happen?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Should they? Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I don't know how it could happen, though You'd have
to give up so many first round picks, and I
just don't think the Steelers would have the balls to
do that, to pull the trigger on a deal like that,
even though it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And the Bengals would be loath I think to make
the trade division in the division, even though, as we've
talked about, you should accept the best offer for your
team and not worry about where your assets are going.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But that's the fact that the Steelers would have to
go up against.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You'd have like a tax within your own division where
you'd have to overpay for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Make him the offer. They couldn't say.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
What would you give up for Burrow if you're the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Oh, I think he's one of the best quarterbacks that
I've ever seen, So I give three first round picks
for him.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I love Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I might even give three first in a second.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Though?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
He gets hurt all the time, Like maybe we're a
little overzealous on that, but when he plays, he's just magnificent.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, I mean, you go out and get Russ and
l Ron Rodgers, you get these old bastards. Why would't
you go get a guy in his prime if you
have lost faith in your ability to draft and develop
a quarterback, which they they certainly should. I mean, as
I just mentioned the quarterback draft, the much heralded class
of twenty six for this coming April, when the draft
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is in Pittsburgh, that seems to have fallen apart. And
look at the Steelers' success with quarterback with Kenny Pickett.
You know, since Ben retired, they don't know what they're doing.
But Joe Burrow's full proof.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You bring up a great point there, Yes he is
fool proof. And I often have said that the only
way they'd get that franchise quarterback is getting a Joe
Burrow through the draft. But that's like a number one
overall guy that so many other teams are going to
crave too. But here's a potential opportunity. Maybe, I mean,
we're getting ahead of ourselves here to get a guy
proven in the NFL way ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, there's a better chance that the Pirates could have
got Kyle Schwarber than the Steelers can get Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And yeah, good point. Now here's the disclaimer. Why would
Joe Burrow want to come to Pittsburgh. Why would he
want to leave Jamar and t to come through to
Calvin Austin the third? Cincinnati might be the better team.
I could understand Burrow wanting to leave Cincinnati. I don't
think he would see Pittsburgh is a better option.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Like his frustration is with the team build with Cincinnati,
as weird as that sounds, because he's got those weapons
on offense, but he doesn't have a line. His defense
always sells him out. So that's where I think he's like, Hey,
you're selling me out here as an organization, Well, Pittsburgh's
not gonna do much better for you because you're gonna
lose those weapons. And what their line's great. Their defense
is played great this year, So there's gonna be much
more attractive options for someone like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Now you gotta left Philip Rivers, double chin, fat ass.
There's no way this ends good. I'm glad it's happening.
But I think he gets carted off at some point.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Is it for sure that he's playing Sunday against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, here's why I think so.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They won't announce the starter stichen One, the head coach,
and that leads me to believe it's him.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, and I have to think too, that there was
a conversation had before face.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's also better sports talk if we just assumed that
he's starting.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
True, and I have to assume when they talk before
he actually decided to show up to Indianapolis, they were like,
you're gonna start at these games, because why would Philip
Rivers come back to be the backup to hold the
clipboard and wait around.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I could see him coming back and skipping the first game.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The first game, yes, but but I mean, you know,
they ain't got no time to break him in slow.
They need to, you know, get back on track if
they're gonna make the playoffs, which they won't, and if
they do well, then for sure that's when Rivers gets
killed in that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, and they have no ease him.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Maybe they have no ease him in game Seattle crazy
good defense, Houston, they have to play still best defense
in football, San Franz a nasty defense. They got to
play them, They got to play the Jags, so they
just got blasted by Like it's not like a walk
in the park against any team.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Like these are ass kicking defenses. He has to play.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Now, if you're the Seattle defense, do you take it
easy on Rivers or do you try to kill him?
I would like first quarter. I want that old man
on the carts.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
You are in the tightest division race, in the toughest
division in football.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You're trying to get the number one overall seed. You
have to kill Rivers.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You have to get to Riley Leonard banged up or
whoever the hell Brett Ripian is that the other guy
they have. You got to get that person in the game.
Or as River is so bad that you kind of
cat and mouse him and keep him in the game
because he's gonna throw a bunch of interceptions, like he
might not just be a good quarterback anyway, Like.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
The Steelers wanted to keep Anthony Richardson in the game
for the Colts so Flacoak couldn't come in and beat him.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And of course Flaco came in and beat.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like what if Rivers just so shaky in the pocket
every time, and he's just getting rid of it so
quick that he's so ineffective you just live with him
for sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I don't think he will.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think he'll come out and play like Phil Rivers
used to, only older and slower, and that maybe his.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Undoing until he gets cracked. You think, well, if he.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Gets carted off.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
When I say him getting carted off is what I expect,
I'm not saying that for effect that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He's forty four, can't move?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, and you know Rogers is only two years younger
than Rivers, But the big difference, of course, is five
years off.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Like you have him be playing.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Rodgers never stopped exactly right. Brady played into forty five.
I think how old he was never stopped like he
can't stop.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Don't you agree?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's an indictment of like who Indy had a quarterback,
and that there's so few quarterbacks out there. There was
a time back when when you could have got somebody
off the waiver wire. It wasn't like a legitimate starter,
but would be a better idea than a forty four
year old Grandpa.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
No, I think that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think it's an indictment too of how these kids
are developed out of college. Like you're still always going
to have the great players at the top, right, like
the Caleb Williams and the Drake Mays, but like lower
down the ladder, like the backups that you're drafting, like
none of them can take a snap on the center.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Pl problem with college football for years, they don't develop
kids to play in the pros, not at any position
but a particular quarterback. They just want to win at
that level, which I get. But if I were a player,
I would look at college football as you know, my
degree to go out and get a job with, and
if the coach wasn't going to use me right, it
were just going to be to win. I would rather
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go to a program if I'm a quarterback that would
coach you to play in the.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Pros, then was a winning program.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Absolutely. You have kids that can't take snaps under center
in college. You have kids that There's a famous Christian
Hackenberg quarterback from Penn State.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
He went to the Jets.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
He couldn't break a huddle when he got to the Jets,
like he just didn't know the mechanics of going through
that reading defense as is so basic for these quarterbacks
now it's like one read then go and you don't
get that like pre snap stuff, that chess game that
you have to play at the NFL level. Meanwhile, defenses
now at the NFL are better than they've ever been,
so like these quarterbacks are just so behind the curve.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Now we got that TJ.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Watt news that's worries some with thirty one year old
hospitalized with lung disorder. Now you hope he's okay, but
I'll be blunt. The Steelers can get by without him.
He ain't playing great and they do have X amount
of depth of Dead's rush for as long as high
Smith is okay, he's been hurt, not hurt. But if
you got high Smith, Herbig and the modern day warrior
Jack Sore, you can get by.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, you know, it sucks that one has whatever he
has with his lung. I'm kind of interested to see
how it looks though, right without him out there, to
see how effective it could possibly be, because I think
we do pretty surprise with how effective it's going to
be without him out there and Herbig. Ever since high
Smith has come back and high Smith's kick ass, so
I can't fault him being on the field, but herbig
snaps have gone in the toilet again, He's like at
thirty percent per game.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Let's see a little bit of herbig and Highsmith out there.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Doesn't this feel more and more like a Miami win,
Like like the dominoes are falling, Like now the watt
Illness and maybe minke It comes in and makes a
big play for the Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You're gonna tell me that this doesn't matter at all,
But it's twenty two straight wins at home on Monday
night football for the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Like, it's just so hard for me to wrap my
head around them losing.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
This hidden vigorous like the gunner said, yeah, it's it's
hard for me.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Means no, I donse over my head. The gunner said, no, no,
just old time he bob prints departs. ANNs are called
hidden vigoras, which held the longer something doesn't happen, the
more likely it is to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, no question. So, yeah they're due to lose that spot.
But I've just I haven't seen it in forever. The
Dolphins just run it down your throats.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I mean they are such a good run Yeah to
my offensive formula against the Steelers, in particular, what Miami
would be don't pass like ever the Steelers can't stop
the run. Just pond on the ground because that minimizes
risk of turnover.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, and two of turns of all over a time.
He's got fourteen picks this year. They've fourteen fourteen picks
for two way's most in the league with Geno Smith,
and they've been hiding him in this four game winning Streek.
He averages like twenty pass attempts, like all McDaniel is
doing on offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I think McDaniel's a real good coach. I've take him
over Tomlin any day. He looks geeky, but maybe that's
the order of the day that that geek football analytics
guy because he has turned them around.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I don't know how he is as a head coach,
yet I want to keep him with from Miami. I
think there's progress there.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Great offensive mind.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Can't let an offensive mind like that leave your building.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think that's where Miami was at when they cleaned
house with firing their GM earlier this year, but keeping
him like he might be the preeminent running game offensive
coordinator in football right now?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
How about Pete Prisco?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
We got this on later he said, I think the
Steelers just starting to pick up Arthur Smith's offense.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
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Speaker 3 (08:45):
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Speaker 1 (08:57):
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Speaker 2 (09:00):
Penguin's host to Montreal tonight, got to bounce back from
that disastrous loss Thursday to Anaheim Tuesday to Anaheim. Rather,
there's a survey at the Athletic that says seventy five
of NHL players think Sid will be a Penguin next season,
that he won't get traded.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Here's our guy, Mike Rupp addressing that.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
I agree that I think he's going to be a
Pittsburgh Penguin, especially with what we've seen right now. I
guess the only thing that would maybe potentially change that
is where Againy Malkin is after this year and where
Chris Latang is. If those guys are back, I think
that's your answer. If say they're polfkn I don't feel
so strongly about that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, a Tank's contract has a couple more years to run,
and if malcol wants to come back, they're gonna bring
him back, even though they shouldn't. But that survey of
the players reveals that nobody wants Sid to leave Pittsburgh
besides the North American hockey media, especially the Canadian hockey media.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sid's not gonna go.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Especially if the Penguins make the playoffs this year and
show potential for greater improvement next season, which is already happening.
I got to read these stats for goaltender Sergei morrishoff
In Wilkes had a thirty four safe shutout last night,
twenty saves in the first period when Wilkes was under siege.
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His record is eight and two. He has a one
point five to six goals against average. He has a
safe pretended to point nine four three. Those are just
incredible numbers. So, h Tommy Radio, I ask you, would
you come moreshoff up and then trade Jari to Edmonton.
(10:45):
It'll be a gamble, but you'd have a better chance
in shootouts, And as dumb as it sounds to hinge
a move like that on shootouts, too many points have
already gone down the drain.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They really have.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And boy, I wish when Mershov did come up this
year for his little run, he just looked spectacular, you
know what I mean, just a nailed on starter. So
this could almost be a no brainer. It'd make this
movie easy because there is value. You'll agree with this.
I think to him just dominating the HL, just being
the greatest goalie of that life.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's the best goalie in their system. I just don't
think he was convincing enough during his brief time to
convince the dressing room that it'd be a better option
if they traded Jari. Like I said, often said that
dressing room overestimates Jari a great deal.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, no question.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And again they didn't see you know, I'm sure they
were pleased with what Myhushov did, but they didn't see
it right away.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
With that that you could convince them that it's okay.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
You'll be used to Jari being gone in a week's
time once this guy just gets a couple starts in
the net. So the locker room thing is just still
so tenuous there. And again, like it's it's valuable for
Mushov to post those numbers. If he does all year
long at that level and then come up next year
for a full season.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Understand waiting till next year, because that's the plan. Yeah,
but a hockey sage said earlier today, a longtime Penguins follower,
you need to trade Jari when you can. There's not
a timetable you need to get rid of those two
years beyond this one at five point three seven five million.
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And if you can do it now, you just have
to do it regardless of what the room thinks.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And you could do it now.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So because no matter how good Jari plays this year,
you don't need him next year.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Right, It's gonna be Mirraschov's shown next year. So maybe
you do make that risk. I mean sometimes you really
do have to grit your teeth and do uncomfortable things
in that locker room for the bettermentu of that year.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Don't think they're gonna but I think this is a
move that you'd make for the future that could also
benefit this year.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
As well, like it wouldn't think you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, the problem is convincing the room.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
And again, if Mirschov came up and was better, that
would be helpful in convincing them if he gets a couple,
starts right away and shows them that he's good to great,
that'll convince them. You know what would go a long
way and convincing them too is what if they went
in a shootout where they were just so dry still
at scoring, but he just made like six evan saves
in a row and just like carried them to finally
breaking that drought.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Right like, he made seven saves. They scored on the
seven final han, yes, yeah, and yeah. But he didn't
do that when he was here.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
No, exactly. So that's what sucks. I wish he came
up and just dazzled.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's like a nuclear secret is finding the shootout records
in the AHL, YOI joins us later. He's trying to
look that up, but I don't know. I've looked on
every AHL website.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I can't find that, just because people just don't care,
right like, just no one thinks to keep track of that.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
No, he's got to be there somewhere, and I can
be a low tech redneck. But hopefully, YOI you'll come through.
What will the carryover be mentally from blowing that game
to Anaheim on Tuesday?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I hope it's positive and that they go out and
they just are shot out of a cannon to start
this game. Blow Montreal out of the water, win a
game like four to one or something like that, and
completely flush it because that's what they need to do.
This is such a big game, regardless of how can pact.
The standings are right now, you have got to get
that taste out of your mouth. Part of me is like, hey,
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go to overtime, maybe win that. Go to the shootout, No,
forget that. Always win in regulation. There's no flushing the
shootout woes out of your system. I don't think get
it done in regulation.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, they're oho to one in three on three, they
played well in three on three. They should have beat
Anaheim during the overtime period on Tuesday. But yeah, I
would actually be aggressive in the fifty to fifth minute
on of a tie game more so than most teams
would be. Most teams look to settle for the loser point.
I'd be going for the extra point. Maybe you catch
teams a bit unawares if you do that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, no, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And boy, when you see the standings right now, Mark,
and I don't know if you've seen this, but if
you look at you know, point percentage. Penguins are third
in the Eastern Conference right now, and it just feels
like it's such a wasted opportunity happening right now because
everybody's kind of stuck right now in this weird haze.
They're all compacted together in the Penguins. If they could
just get over these shootout woes, they would be separating
themselves so nicely. They already have so many games in
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hand comfortable if.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
They were even if they were even three and three
in overtime and shoot dots instead of zero to six.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You'd be extremely comfortable.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
As far as playoff positioning is concerned.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, you've got to do better.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And I'm a Chrystaler Tang guy big time, but he
needs to tone down his game. He's trying to play
like it's twenty sixteen. When he kind of settles into
like the nearly forty year old defenseman role, if you
know what I mean. It just keeps it simple and
emphasizes his strength, which is still considerable, and the fact
that he is a lot left in the tang late
in games. He's still real effective. He just has to
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get more dialed in in that regard.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
To settle into that old man game a little bit
adjust more. And he's not unwilling to do it, because,
as you said, you've seen it happen, and he said
he did.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
He did the first month or so when Carlson arrived here.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He settles into it and he looks really good.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
But he doesn't like to play that way.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I know it's an uncomfortable thing for him. He's got
to get comfortable fast doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Though.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What's the same thing like getting back to the shootout.
Sid's always gonna shoot no matter what, and they're not
going to change goalies for the shootout no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Those are non negotiable.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And this is not a team and doesn't have individuals
who can just do things because that's the way they've
always been done. If this team's gonna be better than
it has been, it has to try a few things differently.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Since you're never gonna get Sid to not shooting the shootout.
Any chance that he changes his move, any chance he
throws a vacan out there. I mean, you've been baiting
it so much now that you're so predictable that if
you did throw a change up by a goalie, I
almost guarantee you're gonna score.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You act like he listens to this show, or that
he'd listened to what I suggest if he did a
though Eric Christensen did. Eric Christensen, I said, crush here,
you go back in one time. I go, you're gonna
walk the puck in the net. You can do it
one time? And he did and credited me.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
It doesn't have to be from him listening to the
show or listening from anybody. Can he just get to
that on his own? Can he just have that own
mental intuition that hey get a little predictable here. What
if I throw a little something different out here? I
bet he doesn't get there.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'm looking forward tonight to see ing Demo Dooff play
for Montreal. His point production isn't well, it's pretty good,
but it's not. I mean, I think he's a star.
I think he's an absolute star. And I would never
trade sit anywhere. I wouldn't trade it in Montreal. But
if it came to pass, its did want to go
to Montreal as the national Canadian media wants him to,
I'd want Demodoff in return.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That would be non negotiable.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And the ironic part is I think in Montreal God
sid they would put him immediately on a line with Demodoff.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That would be their dream.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
But yeah, it would be the centerpiece of the package
would have to be Demodoff. They got good players from Montreal.
Szuki's good, col Kawfield's good. It's gonna be tough tonight.
The Habs are in the playoff race too. They've lost
two straight though, so they're a little cold.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
They can skate, but they're small.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I think Suzuki's overrated Cowfield can definitely score goals. Demodof
needs to do more, so does Lefkowski. I like Hudson
on defense, but they got Dobson from the Islanders, signed
him to be his partner, and I don't think Dobson's
done quite as well as he did in New York
or as they've expected.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
How about the Islanders just won't go away by the way.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I thought they'd be a legit contender for last place overall,
but they're riding that Shafer kid, the rookie on defense,
his hot start, and they're legit contender for the playoffs,
just like every single team in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, he is so unbelievable, Schaefer. I mean just take
to the NHL. So between I mean he's on a
different level than Kendle, but between him and Kendle, like
the eighteen year olds that have just come into the
league this year seamlessly is really remarkable. The Islanders have
three more games played than the Penguins. That's what you
got in your back pocket if you're Pittsburgh. The games
in hand is such a huge advantage right now when
you got.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Patrick Walk coaching them. And I love Patty, but he's
a dope.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
H Not a fan of HM as a coach behind
the bench.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, I'm a fan of a is a guy deck
hockey guy. I've told that story. One of the greatest
goal he's ever right. I just think he's a motivator
as a coach and nothing else. But did you ever
see that movie with Tom Cruise where he's the drug
pilot American Maid.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, I've heard of that movie, though I heard it's
really good.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Like his CII contact is Shaefer, And every time Cruz
addresses him as Schaeffer, he goes, who the f is Shaefer?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
One oh five ninety X.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's the Woodie Show Tomorrow morning from six till ten.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Who you got a day Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Maybe one ninety season, when you're in the mood for
a hall.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
On Mike Tomlin says that TJ. Watt is being further evaluated.
He said he didn't want to say too much more
because he's not a medical expert. I'm not sure he's
much of a football expert either, but that doesn't stop
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him from blabbing away on that subject. If you're just
turning in TJ. Want hospitalized with some kind of lung disorder.
No word on exactly what the problem might be, but
needless to say, he's doubtful for Monday night's home game
against Miami. I didn't realize the Steelers are down to
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their four string left tackle, but it's not being treated
as a huge deal, probably because the first three ain't
that good. Jones, Anderson to Pete, Dylan Cook. But Tom,
we gotta give Dylan Cook some credit. He's done Okay,
he really has. But what you just said is so
taling Mark.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
It is such an indictment on how we feel about
the number one left tackle in Broderick Jones, that were
down to number four, and it's kind of just like, oh, yeah,
he's doing fine. Whatever we're getting by It's not that
big of a deal, not that big of a drop off.
The one thing I have noticed, and people have pointed
out to me too, is Dylan Cook was not tested
by the Ravens in that game. For whatever reason, they
just let him off the hook. No like stunts, no
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overload rushes on his side.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And oddly so, even more so because Darnel Washington got.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Concussed, Like we were doing our show last.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
They really couldn't do the Jumbo package after point I
didn't see it out there.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
No, they absolutely couldn't.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Like and Tim pointed out, we were doing our show
last night, countdown to Kickoff, and he was like some
of the reps he was seeing for Cook that people
were highlighting, like Cook would go back into his past
set to protect and there was no one to block,
like the Ravens just went elsewhere. So yeah, he did
fine for his first reps ever as a practice squad guy.
But I guarantee you that that's gonna get tested more
by the Dolphins this week.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You know, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
The Steelers love Darnell Washing because it was run blocking
and they love the Jumbo package, but they still can't
run the ball. They're fourth from bottom in rushing in
the league, yet they take so many steps to make
themselves good at it.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
They're just not the But I don't think they're.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
A bad rushing offense though, Like I just think it's
a commitment issue they get away from, which is so
weird from where you just said where they love the
jumbo package because of what it does in the running game,
but then they don't like the running game that the
jumbo package feeds into.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Then again, they rushed seventeen times for thirty four yards
against Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
A dump out of that too.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, but you gotta be able to get something out
of it when you need it in that fourth quarter
of the game instead of just going three and out,
three and out, three and out and giving the ball
back and giving the Ravens life as much as you did.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like, let me ask you, Tom.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Can the Steelers fix the running game because it would
have to happen out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And let me add.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Not only is there no running game, there's no number
two wide on and they're wasting the tight.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ends fixing it would I think have to be leaning
into it more, committing to it more. And I don't
get a sense that they're going to do that. I
also think you can't ignore the fact that Rogers, wherever
he goes, you know, passing the ball at a high volume,
just follows like that. It's just a fact. Like the
Jets led the league last year and passing the ball,
and they shouldn't have. They had good running backs. It's
not that extreme. This year with Pittsburgh, they should be
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leaning more on their running game, but they're not because
Rogers is the quarterback. It's just part of who he is.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think, are we ready to admit that the Minka
trade was a bust?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And if so, did you ever think it would turn
out to be the case.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
No, I didn't think it would turn out to be
the case this fast, especially, I'm getting close to saying
it's a bust.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Johnny Smith is bringing nothing to the table.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Why it's a bust. But that's not his fault, is
it not. I mean, they're not using them.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
But it's also a bit of a bus because Ramsey's
just an older Minca. Like he's doing the exact same
stuff that Manca did at Sea.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He's actually Minca, but not as good.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Perhaps you're right at that.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Regardless, there's no splash and that was the reason why
you got away from MinC At that safety spot, no
splash was being provided. Jalen Ramsey had splash earlier this
year at corner, had an interception way early in the season.
But there has been no like huge game changing play
aside from a couple of big hits that he's made.
So it's like a wash there. It's neutri it's one
for one there, except you got the older piece. And
then Johnny Smith has been a total bust.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, well, people talk about lack of communication between the players,
that's always what they blame for the defense underachieving. But
how could the con artist trade for john U and
then Arthur Smith never uses them?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That makes no sense and it probably stems from the
head coaches philosophy of ignoring the middle of the field
at all costs possible.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And Arthur Smith and.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
They fell in love with the novelty of the.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Big fat cell and Arthur Smith, there's no doubt about day.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
They fell in love with the novelty of the big
fat cell. Mount Washington catchy nickname. And then that's killing
Smith and Friarmouth.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, because I thought we were gonna see Smith and
Firearmouth on the field together a lot. Like I thought
a big weapon that the Steelers offense was gonna be
able to boast was have those two lined up with
the line of scrimmage and then just rip up the seams,
you know what I mean, and just one of them's
got to be open, right, But they never do that ever.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Given chance that Jackass coaching, the team will always go
more primitive, except.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Running the football is like the most primitive thing you
can do, and they he allows them to dump out
of it as fast as possible to go to the
quick passing game.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's just not as effective.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, I laugh when I hear like, get
up and Steven a well, actually Steven as kind of
backing up. But we talk about what a great coach
Tom Win is and he's not this year as much
as any ever proves he's incompetent, But that doesn't matter
because he'll coach forever.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
How about your guy Kenny Pickett most likely starting for
Vegas with Gino Smith out.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I think it's hilarious. Pete Carroll has been trying to
avoid this like the plague. Like Gino Smith has been
banged up throughout the season, He has been playing terribly
all year long, tied with two of fourteen interceptions, but
he has just not gone to Kenny Pickett because he
knows how bad he is forced to do. So now
it's gonna be great and he's playing Philadelphia, Mark, could
you have picked a better opponent the old team that
he won the Super Bowl with? Gotta go back to Philly.
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Do you think he gets a standing ovation from the
crowd welcome back Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Think they'll barely remember who he was? Uh, it is
Schador a star? It's too early, but can we say
that anyway? After his first good game, and he was
very good.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
You could say he's a star from the sense of
like he's definitely the most talked about, polarizing figure in
the NFL, one of the more well known figures, no
doubt star as far as like play on the field.
It's it's extremely early for that, but that's a promising result.
Kenny Pickett never put up a game like that, that's
for damn sure. It took Kenny Pickett like half a
season to get to what Schadoor did in that one game.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Wait, Shador had better numbers at one game than Kenny
Pickett doesn't half.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
A season pretty much exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Now, did you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
See Cam Newton was bitching because uh, Indianapolis brought back
Philip Rivers but didn't call Cam Newton. And I think
Philip Rivers is the guy I'd rather have because I
think could be more dedicated right off the bat coming in.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And I thought Cam Newton when he when he when he.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Made a business decision to not fall in that fumble
in his Super Bowl, I would have never wanted Cam
Newton to play for me again that said, what a
contrast the the de vaub Kathley with a billion kids
or the pimp, the guy who dresses as a pimp
on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Cam Newton's game too, when he was at his prime,
you know, winning MVPs, getting to that Super Bowl that
he was allowed out of business spad, I wasn't going there.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He was a linebacker playing quarterback like his His athleticism
was a big draw there. He had the most rushing
touchdowns in NFL history before Josh Allen broke it this year.
So like he was such a different quarterback than he
could ever be. Right now, Philip Rivers, they're going for
his mind and they think there's something still left in
the arm that was never Cam Newton's game.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well. Plus, and Philip Rivers is bringing Jesus with.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Them, right, that's a great thing to have in your corner.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, right, And you'd rather have Jesus than not have.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Jesus going against Jesus as an uphill climb.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
There's no way to get out of that without being
really sacriligious. So I'll just leave it go at that. Now,
is it worth it?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Tom?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Can Philip Rivers save Indie season? No, because they brought
him in to save their season, or at least they
feel that's their best educated way of trying it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
No, he cannot say their season.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
They're already outside of the playoff picture, so like he's
got to get them back into the playoffs. Texans are going,
the Jags are going, the Bills are going to be
the wild card too, and he's done. He can't save
their season, but at least it's entertaining for us to
see him try.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
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Just an amazing stat the balance of possession time for
the Steelers. It's so great that if you extrapolate it
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over the whole league, the Steelers defense has played the
equivalent of over two extra games so far this season.
That is just absolutely incredible. Colin, what do we got
for the trifectam?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
For today's trifecta, Mark, I'm pretty sure the Steelers are
going to host a playoff game, think that they're gonna
win the AFC North. So it comes down to if
you can win that playoff game. My trifecta of teams
that I can convince myself the Steelers can beat at
home in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I could never do this because it wouldn't be fun
to have a zero.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
EFFECTA number three for me the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I don't know if they're gonna fall out of the
one seed, but if they have to come to Pittsburgh,
if the Chargers catch them, I could see the Steelers
beating them in a total rock fight, like thirteen to
ten game.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Because Loncos can't get sucked into a rock fight. But
I love their.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Defense, and I'd love their defense too.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's better than the Steelers defense, no doubt, but bo
Nicks about Bonnicks just not that impressive. But since I
don't think they're gonna get caught. Two team is the
LA Chargers. They're so banged up. I know the Steelers
lost to them earlier this year, but I think it'd
be different here. Rogers played awful in that game. I
don't think that would be the case. They have no tackles.
Herbert's banged up too. Like I just feel like the
Chargers aren't as good as their record are, so they'd
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be my number two team, but my number one team,
and I think it's the team that everybody's circling that
thinks is going to make the playoffs that they want
in that first round is Jacksonville, Like Jacksonville is the
one that you want to pick off, And maybe there's
a little bit of that logo doing a lot of
heavy lifting there where it's just like, oh, it's the Jags.
You always roll over them. But I think Trevor Lawrence
is very inconsistent and you can't trust them in a
playoff game. So that's who you want if you're the Steelers,
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just for the Jacks to be the five seed. Unfortunately, Mark,
I think the five seed is going to be the Bills.
Josh Allen's gonna roll away. Well they have any chance
against Buffalo No, No, I don't think so. They just I
know they beat him in that home opener once upon
a time up in Buffaloe Free. Yeah, they have very
minimal success against Salad of the Bills.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
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Speaker 1 (30:00):
Tom. I'm pissed.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I forgot about the office Christmas party, which was today
top Golf before the show. Just forgot And usually I
get pissed because they schedule it during the show, but
today it was before the show and right down the
road here too in Bridgeville, and I just pump forgot,
making it even more intolerable. I'm doing a wake in
one eighty and I'm down to over forty pounds lost now,
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and there's a million boxes of bakery and candy, like
just random candy or bakery from Bartrams, which is great
and I can't even touch it.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I had some fruit salad that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
So much candy, so much cookies in the office right now.
It's the toughest time a year to do it. We
got the Double Tree Hotel cookies. My buddy Donnie A.
I went to Shaler with Class seventy eight represent you know.
He sent over a can to a bunch of people,
but I got mine. So I'm taking three days off
Awaken one eighty over Christmas, probably twenty four to twenty fifth,
twenty six maybe the twenty third instead of the twenty sixth,
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and I'll eat every single one of those cookies like
machine gun him down because they're so good. You are
you allowed to just walk into a Double Tree and
just like buy the cookies like it's a bakery, because
I would do that.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I would love to buy a s leave of them.
They're that good.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, they're They're the best cookie there is.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
The Double Tree cookies that you get at the desk
if you like, check it out.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
The chip cookie there is.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
They're baking them. I don't know who they have back there.
It has to be like a Keybrale elf himself back
there cooking these cookies up.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, they're way better than keybler uh. Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Here here's a subject that that is a little tough
to broach because you know, when somebody passes away, especially young,
they're their deeds are magnified.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, it can be a good career move.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't say that flippantly, but but sometimes people die
young and they are they are seen as greater because
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And in that vein, there's a thirty thirty on Stuart.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Scott uh the late anchor for ESPN, that everybody's raving about.
And I didn't dislike Stuart Scott met him once. He
was okay, and I don't think he sucked. I just
never got him. I didn't find him clever or charismatic
at all. I don't see how you having Boo Yah
revolutionized sports broadcast.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, I'm not being flipping here. I just didn't
get it.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, it wasn't for you, and I don't know if
it was really for me either, Although Stuart Scott was
a bit before my time, so like if I watched
this thirty for thirty, I'm sure i'd see a lot
more about him. But of course I know the boo
Yeah stuff. I mean he was he was huge, Dan Patrick.
You know, that's the one that I kind of gravitated
towards from that, you know, era of great anchors, and
I think that there was a bit of a healthy
rivalry between those guys on that show.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Olberman said at one time, I don't see where inserting
the latest phrase from the latest rap song is good
for sports broadcasting. Then again, Keith had his own set
of drop ins, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, And like it worked for Stuart Scott, you know
what I mean, Like you didn't he got it over.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I'm not putting Stuart Scott Down. I think he was
very professional in quality, but and now, and like Stephen A.
Smith is the buffoon version of Oh yes, of Stuart Scott.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I would kill for Stuart Scott back or Steven A.
Smith and what we have now.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I think Stewart Scott in a role like Steven A.
Smith has now would be excellent and better than Steven A.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Smith.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Do you think that's what it would have happened, do you?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
He would have definitely been something ESPN would have kept,
though you'd think they would hitch their wagon to him.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I just think ESPN has your credibility left except for
the hockey guys, and part of that is they don't
pay that much attention to hockey, so those guys can
do what they are like like of.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Course Bucci, Steve Levy, I mean, p K and Mess.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I don't think they're good, but I don't hate them
like I do the TNT guys. But to Cone when
they give her the opportunity, Scott Van Pelt's great, but I.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Just don't see a lot there.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, I know the traffic cops that they have right
The hosts, the studio hosts for hockey are just flawless
that on ESPN. I think there's something to what you
said about how they just don't pay attention to that
side of things that much. No, no hockey, they just
get to hockey to feel streaming time, they just get
to thrive. Yeah, it was all about ESPN plus you know.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know what's weird is in the old days, es
pinion used to go crazy because they didn't want Olberman
and Patrick and Chris Berman to be bigger than the brand. Okay,
they wanted the brand to be everything ESPN the worldwide leader, yes,
and they didn't want those guys to get too big.
Now they want guys to be stars. But none of
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them are bigger stars than than Oberman, Patrick and Berman.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
None of them hold to candle them and, to be
quite honest, Stuart Scott terrify.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Never forget if they're good, bad, indifferent. Those guys were
just bigger stars.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
For whatever reason. Sure, and to me they were better too.
Like that was more of my.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
People talk about Pat the Son's never come up on
the day when Pat McAfee's a bigger star than Dan Patrick.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Oh, no chance in that or Olberman or even Stuart Scott.
To be honest, with you, although there is probably gonna
be a thirty for thirty on Pat one day.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Don't you think that's coming?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh well, no, Patt will do it himself and then
he'll license it to ESPN. Who's your guilty pleasure on ESPN?
Who's a guy that wasn't known as a big timer
throughout the worldwide leader's history, but you just thought was real?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Man?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
What was his name?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Sam? What was his name?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
It was Neil Neil Everett. I always thought Neil Everett
was really cool and he would do a lot of
late night stuff. But he had some cool like phrases
like when a home run was said, he'd go bartender,
he'd say sake or something like that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I don't know, I liked it.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
That's kind of Stuart Scottish, but like Neil Everett was
a sleeper for me.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And again I went, that was it. I thought Stuart
Scott was really good. I just don't see the legendary
end of it. You know who my my guilty pleasure was?
I don't know how you didn't say it yourself or
guess it. Craig Kilbourne. Oh, Craig Kilbourn is a comedian.
He went on to be like great heel in movies
like The Benchwarmers and of course old school.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, and he birthed the Daily Show right, he was
the first host for that.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
And Kilbourne on ESPN. Again subtle heel, very subtle, but
he was so good at it. I am a big
Craig Kilbourne fan. Uh we got Josh are we talking
Hawk at the bottom of the hour? Penguins in Montreal tonight?
Here all the action right here on one oh five
to nine
Let's speak now with Tommy Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Tom As I just mentioned, we got a sound bite
from Orlovsky for later. Should the Steelers go get Joe
Burrow for next season? Could that happen?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Should they? Yes?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I don't know how it could happen, though You'd have
to give up so many first round picks, and I
just don't think the Steelers would have the balls to
do that, to pull the trigger on a deal like that,
even though it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And the Bengals would be loath I think to make
the trade division in the division, even though, as we've
talked about, you should accept the best offer for your
team and not worry about where your assets are going.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
But that's the fact that the Steelers would have to
go up against.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
You'd have like a tax within your own division where
you'd have to overpay for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Make him the offer. They couldn't say.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
What would you give up for Burrow if you're the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Oh, I think he's one of the best quarterbacks that
I've ever seen, So I give three first round picks
for him.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I love Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I might even give three first in a second.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Though?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
He gets hurt all the time, Like maybe we're a
little overzealous on that, but when he plays, he's just magnificent.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, I mean, you go out and get Russ and
l Ron Rodgers, you get these old bastards. Why would't
you go get a guy in his prime if you
have lost faith in your ability to draft and develop
a quarterback, which they they certainly should. I mean, as
I just mentioned the quarterback draft, the much heralded class
of twenty six for this coming April, when the draft
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is in Pittsburgh, that seems to have fallen apart. And
look at the Steelers' success with quarterback with Kenny Pickett.
You know, since Ben retired, they don't know what they're doing.
But Joe Burrow's full proof.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You bring up a great point there, Yes he is
fool proof. And I often have said that the only
way they'd get that franchise quarterback is getting a Joe
Burrow through the draft. But that's like a number one
overall guy that so many other teams are going to
crave too. But here's a potential opportunity. Maybe, I mean,
we're getting ahead of ourselves here to get a guy
proven in the NFL way ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, there's a better chance that the Pirates could have
got Kyle Schwarber than the Steelers can get Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
And yeah, good point. Now here's the disclaimer. Why would
Joe Burrow want to come to Pittsburgh. Why would he
want to leave Jamar and t to come through to
Calvin Austin the third? Cincinnati might be the better team.
I could understand Burrow wanting to leave Cincinnati. I don't
think he would see Pittsburgh is a better option.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Like his frustration is with the team build with Cincinnati,
as weird as that sounds, because he's got those weapons
on offense, but he doesn't have a line. His defense
always sells him out. So that's where I think he's like, Hey,
you're selling me out here as an organization, Well, Pittsburgh's
not gonna do much better for you because you're gonna
lose those weapons. And what their line's great. Their defense
is played great this year, So there's gonna be much
more attractive options for someone like Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Now you gotta left Philip Rivers, double chin, fat ass.
There's no way this ends good. I'm glad it's happening.
But I think he gets carted off at some point.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Is it for sure that he's playing Sunday against the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, here's why I think so.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
They won't announce the starter stichen One, the head coach,
and that leads me to believe it's him.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Yeah, and I have to think too, that there was
a conversation had before face.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's also better sports talk if we just assumed that
he's starting.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
True, and I have to assume when they talk before
he actually decided to show up to Indianapolis, they were like,
you're gonna start at these games, because why would Philip
Rivers come back to be the backup to hold the
clipboard and wait around.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I could see him coming back and skipping the first game.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The first game, yes, but but I mean, you know,
they ain't got no time to break him in slow.
They need to, you know, get back on track if
they're gonna make the playoffs, which they won't, and if
they do well, then for sure that's when Rivers gets
killed in that playoff game.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, and they have no ease him.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Maybe they have no ease him in game Seattle crazy
good defense, Houston, they have to play still best defense
in football, San Franz a nasty defense. They got to
play them, They got to play the Jags, so they
just got blasted by Like it's not like a walk
in the park against any team.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Like these are ass kicking defenses. He has to play.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Now, if you're the Seattle defense, do you take it
easy on Rivers or do you try to kill him?
I would like first quarter. I want that old man
on the carts.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
You are in the tightest division race, in the toughest
division in football.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
You're trying to get the number one overall seed. You
have to kill Rivers.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
You have to get to Riley Leonard banged up or
whoever the hell Brett Ripian is that the other guy
they have. You got to get that person in the game.
Or as River is so bad that you kind of
cat and mouse him and keep him in the game
because he's gonna throw a bunch of interceptions, like he
might not just be a good quarterback anyway, Like.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
The Steelers wanted to keep Anthony Richardson in the game
for the Colts so Flacoak couldn't come in and beat him.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And of course Flaco came in and beat.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like what if Rivers just so shaky in the pocket
every time, and he's just getting rid of it so
quick that he's so ineffective you just live with him
for sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I don't think he will.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I think he'll come out and play like Phil Rivers
used to, only older and slower, and that maybe his.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Undoing until he gets cracked. You think, well, if he.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Gets carted off.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
When I say him getting carted off is what I expect,
I'm not saying that for effect that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
He's forty four, can't move?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Yeah, and you know Rogers is only two years younger
than Rivers, But the big difference, of course, is five
years off.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Like you have him be playing.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Rodgers never stopped exactly right. Brady played into forty five.
I think how old he was never stopped like he
can't stop.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Don't you agree?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's an indictment of like who Indy had a quarterback,
and that there's so few quarterbacks out there. There was
a time back when when you could have got somebody
off the waiver wire. It wasn't like a legitimate starter,
but would be a better idea than a forty four
year old Grandpa.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
No, I think that's a great point.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I think it's an indictment too of how these kids
are developed out of college. Like you're still always going
to have the great players at the top, right, like
the Caleb Williams and the Drake Mays, but like lower
down the ladder, like the backups that you're drafting, like
none of them can take a snap on the center.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Pl problem with college football for years, they don't develop
kids to play in the pros, not at any position
but a particular quarterback. They just want to win at
that level, which I get. But if I were a player,
I would look at college football as you know, my
degree to go out and get a job with, and
if the coach wasn't going to use me right, it
were just going to be to win. I would rather
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go to a program if I'm a quarterback that would
coach you to play in the.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Pros, then was a winning program.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Absolutely. You have kids that can't take snaps under center
in college. You have kids that There's a famous Christian
Hackenberg quarterback from Penn State.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
He went to the Jets.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
He couldn't break a huddle when he got to the Jets,
like he just didn't know the mechanics of going through
that reading defense as is so basic for these quarterbacks
now it's like one read then go and you don't
get that like pre snap stuff, that chess game that
you have to play at the NFL level. Meanwhile, defenses
now at the NFL are better than they've ever been,
so like these quarterbacks are just so behind the curve.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Now we got that TJ.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Watt news that's worries some with thirty one year old
hospitalized with lung disorder. Now you hope he's okay, but
I'll be blunt. The Steelers can get by without him.
He ain't playing great and they do have X amount
of depth of Dead's rush for as long as high
Smith is okay, he's been hurt, not hurt. But if
you got high Smith, Herbig and the modern day warrior
Jack Sore, you can get by.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, you know, it sucks that one has whatever he
has with his lung. I'm kind of interested to see
how it looks though, right without him out there, to
see how effective it could possibly be, because I think
we do pretty surprise with how effective it's going to
be without him out there and Herbig. Ever since high
Smith has come back and high Smith's kick ass, so
I can't fault him being on the field, but herbig
snaps have gone in the toilet again, He's like at
thirty percent per game.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Let's see a little bit of herbig and Highsmith out there.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Doesn't this feel more and more like a Miami win,
Like like the dominoes are falling, Like now the watt
Illness and maybe minke It comes in and makes a
big play for the Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You're gonna tell me that this doesn't matter at all,
But it's twenty two straight wins at home on Monday
night football for the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Like, it's just so hard for me to wrap my
head around them losing.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
This hidden vigorous like the gunner said, yeah, it's it's
hard for me.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Means no, I donse over my head. The gunner said, no, no,
just old time he bob prints departs. ANNs are called
hidden vigoras, which held the longer something doesn't happen, the
more likely it is to happen.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, no question. So, yeah they're due to lose that spot.
But I've just I haven't seen it in forever. The
Dolphins just run it down your throats.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I mean they are such a good run Yeah to
my offensive formula against the Steelers, in particular, what Miami
would be don't pass like ever the Steelers can't stop
the run. Just pond on the ground because that minimizes
risk of turnover.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, and two of turns of all over a time.
He's got fourteen picks this year. They've fourteen fourteen picks
for two way's most in the league with Geno Smith,
and they've been hiding him in this four game winning Streek.
He averages like twenty pass attempts, like all McDaniel is
doing on offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I think McDaniel's a real good coach. I've take him
over Tomlin any day. He looks geeky, but maybe that's
the order of the day that that geek football analytics
guy because he has turned them around.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I don't know how he is as a head coach,
yet I want to keep him with from Miami. I
think there's progress there.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Great offensive mind.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Can't let an offensive mind like that leave your building.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I think that's where Miami was at when they cleaned
house with firing their GM earlier this year, but keeping
him like he might be the preeminent running game offensive
coordinator in football right now?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
How about Pete Prisco?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
We got this on later he said, I think the
Steelers just starting to pick up Arthur Smith's offense.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Oh oh, really do you? I hope. So it's week
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Speaker 3 (08:45):
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Speaker 1 (08:57):
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Speaker 2 (09:00):
Penguin's host to Montreal tonight, got to bounce back from
that disastrous loss Thursday to Anaheim Tuesday to Anaheim. Rather,
there's a survey at the Athletic that says seventy five
of NHL players think Sid will be a Penguin next season,
that he won't get traded.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Here's our guy, Mike Rupp addressing that.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
I agree that I think he's going to be a
Pittsburgh Penguin, especially with what we've seen right now. I
guess the only thing that would maybe potentially change that
is where Againy Malkin is after this year and where
Chris Latang is. If those guys are back, I think
that's your answer. If say they're polfkn I don't feel
so strongly about that.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, a Tank's contract has a couple more years to run,
and if malcol wants to come back, they're gonna bring
him back, even though they shouldn't. But that survey of
the players reveals that nobody wants Sid to leave Pittsburgh
besides the North American hockey media, especially the Canadian hockey media.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Sid's not gonna go.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Especially if the Penguins make the playoffs this year and
show potential for greater improvement next season, which is already happening.
I got to read these stats for goaltender Sergei morrishoff
In Wilkes had a thirty four safe shutout last night,
twenty saves in the first period when Wilkes was under siege.
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His record is eight and two. He has a one
point five to six goals against average. He has a
safe pretended to point nine four three. Those are just
incredible numbers. So, h Tommy Radio, I ask you, would
you come moreshoff up and then trade Jari to Edmonton.
(10:45):
It'll be a gamble, but you'd have a better chance
in shootouts, And as dumb as it sounds to hinge
a move like that on shootouts, too many points have
already gone down the drain.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They really have.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
And boy, I wish when Mershov did come up this
year for his little run, he just looked spectacular, you
know what I mean, just a nailed on starter. So
this could almost be a no brainer. It'd make this
movie easy because there is value. You'll agree with this.
I think to him just dominating the HL, just being
the greatest goalie of that life.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
He's the best goalie in their system. I just don't
think he was convincing enough during his brief time to
convince the dressing room that it'd be a better option
if they traded Jari. Like I said, often said that
dressing room overestimates Jari a great deal.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, no question.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And again they didn't see you know, I'm sure they
were pleased with what Myhushov did, but they didn't see
it right away.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
With that that you could convince them that it's okay.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
You'll be used to Jari being gone in a week's
time once this guy just gets a couple starts in
the net. So the locker room thing is just still
so tenuous there. And again, like it's it's valuable for
Mushov to post those numbers. If he does all year
long at that level and then come up next year
for a full season.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Understand waiting till next year, because that's the plan. Yeah,
but a hockey sage said earlier today, a longtime Penguins follower,
you need to trade Jari when you can. There's not
a timetable you need to get rid of those two
years beyond this one at five point three seven five million.
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And if you can do it now, you just have
to do it regardless of what the room thinks.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
And you could do it now.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
So because no matter how good Jari plays this year,
you don't need him next year.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Right, It's gonna be Mirraschov's shown next year. So maybe
you do make that risk. I mean sometimes you really
do have to grit your teeth and do uncomfortable things
in that locker room for the bettermentu of that year.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Don't think they're gonna but I think this is a
move that you'd make for the future that could also
benefit this year.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
As well, like it wouldn't think you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, the problem is convincing the room.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
And again, if Mirschov came up and was better, that
would be helpful in convincing them if he gets a couple,
starts right away and shows them that he's good to great,
that'll convince them. You know what would go a long
way and convincing them too is what if they went
in a shootout where they were just so dry still
at scoring, but he just made like six evan saves
in a row and just like carried them to finally
breaking that drought.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Right like, he made seven saves. They scored on the
seven final han, yes, yeah, and yeah. But he didn't
do that when he was here.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
No, exactly. So that's what sucks. I wish he came
up and just dazzled.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It's like a nuclear secret is finding the shootout records
in the AHL, YOI joins us later. He's trying to
look that up, but I don't know. I've looked on
every AHL website.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I can't find that, just because people just don't care,
right like, just no one thinks to keep track of that.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
No, he's got to be there somewhere, and I can
be a low tech redneck. But hopefully, YOI you'll come through.
What will the carryover be mentally from blowing that game
to Anaheim on Tuesday?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
I hope it's positive and that they go out and
they just are shot out of a cannon to start
this game. Blow Montreal out of the water, win a
game like four to one or something like that, and
completely flush it because that's what they need to do.
This is such a big game, regardless of how can pact.
The standings are right now, you have got to get
that taste out of your mouth. Part of me is like, hey,
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go to overtime, maybe win that. Go to the shootout, No,
forget that. Always win in regulation. There's no flushing the
shootout woes out of your system. I don't think get
it done in regulation.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, they're oho to one in three on three, they
played well in three on three. They should have beat
Anaheim during the overtime period on Tuesday. But yeah, I
would actually be aggressive in the fifty to fifth minute
on of a tie game more so than most teams
would be. Most teams look to settle for the loser point.
I'd be going for the extra point. Maybe you catch
teams a bit unawares if you do that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, no, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
And boy, when you see the standings right now, Mark,
and I don't know if you've seen this, but if
you look at you know, point percentage. Penguins are third
in the Eastern Conference right now, and it just feels
like it's such a wasted opportunity happening right now because
everybody's kind of stuck right now in this weird haze.
They're all compacted together in the Penguins. If they could
just get over these shootout woes, they would be separating
themselves so nicely. They already have so many games in
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hand comfortable if.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
They were even if they were even three and three
in overtime and shoot dots instead of zero to six.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You'd be extremely comfortable.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
As far as playoff positioning is concerned.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know, you've got to do better.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
And I'm a Chrystaler Tang guy big time, but he
needs to tone down his game. He's trying to play
like it's twenty sixteen. When he kind of settles into
like the nearly forty year old defenseman role, if you
know what I mean. It just keeps it simple and
emphasizes his strength, which is still considerable, and the fact
that he is a lot left in the tang late
in games. He's still real effective. He just has to
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get more dialed in in that regard.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
To settle into that old man game a little bit
adjust more. And he's not unwilling to do it, because,
as you said, you've seen it happen, and he said
he did.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
He did the first month or so when Carlson arrived here.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He settles into it and he looks really good.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
But he doesn't like to play that way.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I know it's an uncomfortable thing for him. He's got
to get comfortable fast doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Though.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
What's the same thing like getting back to the shootout.
Sid's always gonna shoot no matter what, and they're not
going to change goalies for the shootout no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Those are non negotiable.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And this is not a team and doesn't have individuals
who can just do things because that's the way they've
always been done. If this team's gonna be better than
it has been, it has to try a few things differently.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Since you're never gonna get Sid to not shooting the shootout.
Any chance that he changes his move, any chance he
throws a vacan out there. I mean, you've been baiting
it so much now that you're so predictable that if
you did throw a change up by a goalie, I
almost guarantee you're gonna score.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
You act like he listens to this show, or that
he'd listened to what I suggest if he did a
though Eric Christensen did. Eric Christensen, I said, crush here,
you go back in one time. I go, you're gonna
walk the puck in the net. You can do it
one time? And he did and credited me.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
It doesn't have to be from him listening to the
show or listening from anybody. Can he just get to
that on his own? Can he just have that own
mental intuition that hey get a little predictable here. What
if I throw a little something different out here? I
bet he doesn't get there.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I'm looking forward tonight to see ing Demo Dooff play
for Montreal. His point production isn't well, it's pretty good,
but it's not. I mean, I think he's a star.
I think he's an absolute star. And I would never
trade sit anywhere. I wouldn't trade it in Montreal. But
if it came to pass, its did want to go
to Montreal as the national Canadian media wants him to,
I'd want Demodoff in return.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That would be non negotiable.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And the ironic part is I think in Montreal God
sid they would put him immediately on a line with Demodoff.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That would be their dream.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
But yeah, it would be the centerpiece of the package
would have to be Demodoff. They got good players from Montreal.
Szuki's good, col Kawfield's good. It's gonna be tough tonight.
The Habs are in the playoff race too. They've lost
two straight though, so they're a little cold.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
They can skate, but they're small.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I think Suzuki's overrated Cowfield can definitely score goals. Demodof
needs to do more, so does Lefkowski. I like Hudson
on defense, but they got Dobson from the Islanders, signed
him to be his partner, and I don't think Dobson's
done quite as well as he did in New York
or as they've expected.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
How about the Islanders just won't go away by the way.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I thought they'd be a legit contender for last place overall,
but they're riding that Shafer kid, the rookie on defense,
his hot start, and they're legit contender for the playoffs,
just like every single team in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, he is so unbelievable, Schaefer. I mean just take
to the NHL. So between I mean he's on a
different level than Kendle, but between him and Kendle, like
the eighteen year olds that have just come into the
league this year seamlessly is really remarkable. The Islanders have
three more games played than the Penguins. That's what you
got in your back pocket if you're Pittsburgh. The games
in hand is such a huge advantage right now when
you got.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Patrick Walk coaching them. And I love Patty, but he's
a dope.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
H Not a fan of HM as a coach behind
the bench.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, I'm a fan of a is a guy deck
hockey guy. I've told that story. One of the greatest
goal he's ever right. I just think he's a motivator
as a coach and nothing else. But did you ever
see that movie with Tom Cruise where he's the drug
pilot American Maid.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, I've heard of that movie, though I heard it's
really good.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Like his CII contact is Shaefer, And every time Cruz
addresses him as Schaeffer, he goes, who the f is Shaefer?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
One oh five ninety X.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's the Woodie Show Tomorrow morning from six till ten.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Who you got a day Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Maybe one ninety season, when you're in the mood for
a hall.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
On Mike Tomlin says that TJ. Watt is being further evaluated.
He said he didn't want to say too much more
because he's not a medical expert. I'm not sure he's
much of a football expert either, but that doesn't stop
(19:25):
him from blabbing away on that subject. If you're just
turning in TJ. Want hospitalized with some kind of lung disorder.
No word on exactly what the problem might be, but
needless to say, he's doubtful for Monday night's home game
against Miami. I didn't realize the Steelers are down to
(19:46):
their four string left tackle, but it's not being treated
as a huge deal, probably because the first three ain't
that good. Jones, Anderson to Pete, Dylan Cook. But Tom,
we gotta give Dylan Cook some credit. He's done Okay,
he really has. But what you just said is so
taling Mark.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
It is such an indictment on how we feel about
the number one left tackle in Broderick Jones, that were
down to number four, and it's kind of just like, oh, yeah,
he's doing fine. Whatever we're getting by It's not that
big of a deal, not that big of a drop off.
The one thing I have noticed, and people have pointed
out to me too, is Dylan Cook was not tested
by the Ravens in that game. For whatever reason, they
just let him off the hook. No like stunts, no
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overload rushes on his side.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And oddly so, even more so because Darnel Washington got.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Concussed, Like we were doing our show last.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
They really couldn't do the Jumbo package after point I
didn't see it out there.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
No, they absolutely couldn't.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Like and Tim pointed out, we were doing our show
last night, countdown to Kickoff, and he was like some
of the reps he was seeing for Cook that people
were highlighting, like Cook would go back into his past
set to protect and there was no one to block,
like the Ravens just went elsewhere. So yeah, he did
fine for his first reps ever as a practice squad guy.
But I guarantee you that that's gonna get tested more
by the Dolphins this week.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
You know, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
The Steelers love Darnell Washing because it was run blocking
and they love the Jumbo package, but they still can't
run the ball. They're fourth from bottom in rushing in
the league, yet they take so many steps to make
themselves good at it.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
They're just not the But I don't think they're.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
A bad rushing offense though, Like I just think it's
a commitment issue they get away from, which is so
weird from where you just said where they love the
jumbo package because of what it does in the running game,
but then they don't like the running game that the
jumbo package feeds into.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Then again, they rushed seventeen times for thirty four yards
against Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
A dump out of that too.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Yeah, but you gotta be able to get something out
of it when you need it in that fourth quarter
of the game instead of just going three and out,
three and out, three and out and giving the ball
back and giving the Ravens life as much as you did.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Like, let me ask you, Tom.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Can the Steelers fix the running game because it would
have to happen out of nowhere.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And let me add.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Not only is there no running game, there's no number
two wide on and they're wasting the tight.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Ends fixing it would I think have to be leaning
into it more, committing to it more. And I don't
get a sense that they're going to do that. I
also think you can't ignore the fact that Rogers, wherever
he goes, you know, passing the ball at a high volume,
just follows like that. It's just a fact. Like the
Jets led the league last year and passing the ball,
and they shouldn't have. They had good running backs. It's
not that extreme. This year with Pittsburgh, they should be
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leaning more on their running game, but they're not because
Rogers is the quarterback. It's just part of who he is.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think, are we ready to admit that the Minka
trade was a bust?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And if so, did you ever think it would turn
out to be the case.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
No, I didn't think it would turn out to be
the case this fast, especially, I'm getting close to saying
it's a bust.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Johnny Smith is bringing nothing to the table.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Why it's a bust. But that's not his fault, is
it not. I mean, they're not using them.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
But it's also a bit of a bus because Ramsey's
just an older Minca. Like he's doing the exact same
stuff that Manca did at Sea.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He's actually Minca, but not as good.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Perhaps you're right at that.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Regardless, there's no splash and that was the reason why
you got away from MinC At that safety spot, no
splash was being provided. Jalen Ramsey had splash earlier this
year at corner, had an interception way early in the season.
But there has been no like huge game changing play
aside from a couple of big hits that he's made.
So it's like a wash there. It's neutri it's one
for one there, except you got the older piece. And
then Johnny Smith has been a total bust.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Well, well, people talk about lack of communication between the players,
that's always what they blame for the defense underachieving. But
how could the con artist trade for john U and
then Arthur Smith never uses them?
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That makes no sense and it probably stems from the
head coaches philosophy of ignoring the middle of the field
at all costs possible.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
And Arthur Smith and.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
They fell in love with the novelty of the.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Big fat cell and Arthur Smith, there's no doubt about day.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
They fell in love with the novelty of the big
fat cell. Mount Washington catchy nickname. And then that's killing
Smith and Friarmouth.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Yeah, because I thought we were gonna see Smith and
Firearmouth on the field together a lot. Like I thought
a big weapon that the Steelers offense was gonna be
able to boast was have those two lined up with
the line of scrimmage and then just rip up the seams,
you know what I mean, and just one of them's
got to be open, right, But they never do that ever.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Given chance that Jackass coaching, the team will always go
more primitive, except.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Running the football is like the most primitive thing you
can do, and they he allows them to dump out
of it as fast as possible to go to the
quick passing game.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
It's just not as effective.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, I mean, I laugh when I hear like, get
up and Steven a well, actually Steven as kind of
backing up. But we talk about what a great coach
Tom Win is and he's not this year as much
as any ever proves he's incompetent, But that doesn't matter
because he'll coach forever.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
How about your guy Kenny Pickett most likely starting for
Vegas with Gino Smith out.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I think it's hilarious. Pete Carroll has been trying to
avoid this like the plague. Like Gino Smith has been
banged up throughout the season, He has been playing terribly
all year long, tied with two of fourteen interceptions, but
he has just not gone to Kenny Pickett because he
knows how bad he is forced to do. So now
it's gonna be great and he's playing Philadelphia, Mark, could
you have picked a better opponent the old team that
he won the Super Bowl with? Gotta go back to Philly.
(24:56):
Do you think he gets a standing ovation from the
crowd welcome back Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Think they'll barely remember who he was? Uh, it is
Schador a star? It's too early, but can we say
that anyway? After his first good game, and he was
very good.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
You could say he's a star from the sense of
like he's definitely the most talked about, polarizing figure in
the NFL, one of the more well known figures, no
doubt star as far as like play on the field.
It's it's extremely early for that, but that's a promising result.
Kenny Pickett never put up a game like that, that's
for damn sure. It took Kenny Pickett like half a
season to get to what Schadoor did in that one game.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Wait, Shador had better numbers at one game than Kenny
Pickett doesn't half.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
A season pretty much exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Now, did you.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
See Cam Newton was bitching because uh, Indianapolis brought back
Philip Rivers but didn't call Cam Newton. And I think
Philip Rivers is the guy I'd rather have because I
think could be more dedicated right off the bat coming in.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And I thought Cam Newton when he when he when he.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Made a business decision to not fall in that fumble
in his Super Bowl, I would have never wanted Cam
Newton to play for me again that said, what a
contrast the the de vaub Kathley with a billion kids
or the pimp, the guy who dresses as a pimp
on ESPN.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Cam Newton's game too, when he was at his prime,
you know, winning MVPs, getting to that Super Bowl that
he was allowed out of business spad, I wasn't going there.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
He was a linebacker playing quarterback like his His athleticism
was a big draw there. He had the most rushing
touchdowns in NFL history before Josh Allen broke it this year.
So like he was such a different quarterback than he
could ever be. Right now, Philip Rivers, they're going for
his mind and they think there's something still left in
the arm that was never Cam Newton's game.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Well. Plus, and Philip Rivers is bringing Jesus with.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Them, right, that's a great thing to have in your corner.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, right, And you'd rather have Jesus than not have.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Jesus going against Jesus as an uphill climb.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
There's no way to get out of that without being
really sacriligious. So I'll just leave it go at that. Now,
is it worth it?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Tom?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Can Philip Rivers save Indie season? No, because they brought
him in to save their season, or at least they
feel that's their best educated way of trying it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
No, he cannot say their season.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
They're already outside of the playoff picture, so like he's
got to get them back into the playoffs. Texans are going,
the Jags are going, the Bills are going to be
the wild card too, and he's done. He can't save
their season, but at least it's entertaining for us to
see him try.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
We got a bunch of guests today, Gosh Show. We
had three thirty talking hockey. Jerry Dulec at four to
thirty talking Steelers this hour, The maart Man show brought
to us by Sandrorovia Sandrovic and Fisherman.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
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Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's got to be cloudy today with a few flurries
or snowshowers, a high of twenty eight cloudie with a
few flurries of snowshowers possibly tonight dropping down to twenty
cloudy the start today tomorrow. We got Jerry Dulak on later.
Just an amazing stat the balance of possession time for
the Steelers. It's so great that if you extrapolate it
(28:08):
over the whole league, the Steelers defense has played the
equivalent of over two extra games so far this season.
That is just absolutely incredible. Colin, what do we got
for the trifectam?
Speaker 4 (28:21):
For today's trifecta, Mark, I'm pretty sure the Steelers are
going to host a playoff game, think that they're gonna
win the AFC North. So it comes down to if
you can win that playoff game. My trifecta of teams
that I can convince myself the Steelers can beat at
home in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I could never do this because it wouldn't be fun
to have a zero.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
EFFECTA number three for me the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
I don't know if they're gonna fall out of the
one seed, but if they have to come to Pittsburgh,
if the Chargers catch them, I could see the Steelers
beating them in a total rock fight, like thirteen to
ten game.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Because Loncos can't get sucked into a rock fight. But
I love their.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Defense, and I'd love their defense too.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
It's better than the Steelers defense, no doubt, but bo
Nicks about Bonnicks just not that impressive. But since I
don't think they're gonna get caught. Two team is the
LA Chargers. They're so banged up. I know the Steelers
lost to them earlier this year, but I think it'd
be different here. Rogers played awful in that game. I
don't think that would be the case. They have no tackles.
Herbert's banged up too. Like I just feel like the
Chargers aren't as good as their record are, so they'd
(29:14):
be my number two team, but my number one team,
and I think it's the team that everybody's circling that
thinks is going to make the playoffs that they want
in that first round is Jacksonville, Like Jacksonville is the
one that you want to pick off, And maybe there's
a little bit of that logo doing a lot of
heavy lifting there where it's just like, oh, it's the Jags.
You always roll over them. But I think Trevor Lawrence
is very inconsistent and you can't trust them in a
playoff game. So that's who you want if you're the Steelers,
(29:35):
just for the Jacks to be the five seed. Unfortunately, Mark,
I think the five seed is going to be the Bills.
Josh Allen's gonna roll away. Well they have any chance
against Buffalo No, No, I don't think so. They just I
know they beat him in that home opener once upon
a time up in Buffaloe Free. Yeah, they have very
minimal success against Salad of the Bills.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
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original Evan Bake Togi since nineteen sixty. That's Dandy's on
Route eighty eight in Bethel Park.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Tom. I'm pissed.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I forgot about the office Christmas party, which was today
top Golf before the show. Just forgot And usually I
get pissed because they schedule it during the show, but
today it was before the show and right down the
road here too in Bridgeville, and I just pump forgot,
making it even more intolerable. I'm doing a wake in
one eighty and I'm down to over forty pounds lost now,
(30:22):
and there's a million boxes of bakery and candy, like
just random candy or bakery from Bartrams, which is great
and I can't even touch it.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I had some fruit salad that's exciting.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
So much candy, so much cookies in the office right now.
It's the toughest time a year to do it. We
got the Double Tree Hotel cookies. My buddy Donnie A.
I went to Shaler with Class seventy eight represent you know.
He sent over a can to a bunch of people,
but I got mine. So I'm taking three days off
Awaken one eighty over Christmas, probably twenty four to twenty fifth,
twenty six maybe the twenty third instead of the twenty sixth,
(30:56):
and I'll eat every single one of those cookies like
machine gun him down because they're so good. You are
you allowed to just walk into a Double Tree and
just like buy the cookies like it's a bakery, because
I would do that.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
I would love to buy a s leave of them.
They're that good.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, they're They're the best cookie there is.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
The Double Tree cookies that you get at the desk
if you like, check it out.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
The chip cookie there is.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
I don't know how.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
They're baking them. I don't know who they have back there.
It has to be like a Keybrale elf himself back
there cooking these cookies up.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, they're way better than keybler uh. Tom.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Here here's a subject that that is a little tough
to broach because you know, when somebody passes away, especially young,
they're their deeds are magnified.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know, it can be a good career move.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't say that flippantly, but but sometimes people die
young and they are they are seen as greater because
of it.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And in that vein, there's a thirty thirty on Stuart.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Scott uh the late anchor for ESPN, that everybody's raving about.
And I didn't dislike Stuart Scott met him once. He
was okay, and I don't think he sucked. I just
never got him. I didn't find him clever or charismatic
at all. I don't see how you having Boo Yah
revolutionized sports broadcast.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, I'm not being flipping here. I just didn't
get it.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, it wasn't for you, and I don't know if
it was really for me either, Although Stuart Scott was
a bit before my time, so like if I watched
this thirty for thirty, I'm sure i'd see a lot
more about him. But of course I know the boo
Yeah stuff. I mean he was he was huge, Dan Patrick.
You know, that's the one that I kind of gravitated
towards from that, you know, era of great anchors, and
I think that there was a bit of a healthy
rivalry between those guys on that show.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Olberman said at one time, I don't see where inserting
the latest phrase from the latest rap song is good
for sports broadcasting. Then again, Keith had his own set
of drop ins, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, And like it worked for Stuart Scott, you know
what I mean, Like you didn't he got it over.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I'm not putting Stuart Scott Down. I think he was
very professional in quality, but and now, and like Stephen A.
Smith is the buffoon version of Oh yes, of Stuart Scott.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I would kill for Stuart Scott back or Steven A.
Smith and what we have now.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I think Stewart Scott in a role like Steven A.
Smith has now would be excellent and better than Steven A.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Smith.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Do you think that's what it would have happened, do you?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I really don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
He would have definitely been something ESPN would have kept,
though you'd think they would hitch their wagon to him.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I just think ESPN has your credibility left except for
the hockey guys, and part of that is they don't
pay that much attention to hockey, so those guys can
do what they are like like of.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Course Bucci, Steve Levy, I mean, p K and Mess.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
I don't think they're good, but I don't hate them
like I do the TNT guys. But to Cone when
they give her the opportunity, Scott Van Pelt's great, but I.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Just don't see a lot there.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Yeah, I know the traffic cops that they have right
The hosts, the studio hosts for hockey are just flawless
that on ESPN. I think there's something to what you
said about how they just don't pay attention to that
side of things that much. No, no hockey, they just
get to hockey to feel streaming time, they just get
to thrive. Yeah, it was all about ESPN plus you know.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know what's weird is in the old days, es
pinion used to go crazy because they didn't want Olberman
and Patrick and Chris Berman to be bigger than the brand. Okay,
they wanted the brand to be everything ESPN the worldwide leader, yes,
and they didn't want those guys to get too big.
Now they want guys to be stars. But none of
(34:18):
them are bigger stars than than Oberman, Patrick and Berman.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
None of them hold to candle them and, to be
quite honest, Stuart Scott terrify.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Never forget if they're good, bad, indifferent. Those guys were
just bigger stars.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
For whatever reason. Sure, and to me they were better too.
Like that was more of my.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
People talk about Pat the Son's never come up on
the day when Pat McAfee's a bigger star than Dan Patrick.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Oh, no chance in that or Olberman or even Stuart Scott.
To be honest, with you, although there is probably gonna
be a thirty for thirty on Pat one day.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Don't you think that's coming?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Oh well, no, Patt will do it himself and then
he'll license it to ESPN. Who's your guilty pleasure on ESPN?
Who's a guy that wasn't known as a big timer
throughout the worldwide leader's history, but you just thought was real?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Man?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
What was his name?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Sam? What was his name?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
It was Neil Neil Everett. I always thought Neil Everett
was really cool and he would do a lot of
late night stuff. But he had some cool like phrases
like when a home run was said, he'd go bartender,
he'd say sake or something like that.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I don't know, I liked it.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
That's kind of Stuart Scottish, but like Neil Everett was
a sleeper for me.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
And again I went, that was it. I thought Stuart
Scott was really good. I just don't see the legendary
end of it. You know who my my guilty pleasure was?
I don't know how you didn't say it yourself or
guess it. Craig Kilbourne. Oh, Craig Kilbourn is a comedian.
He went on to be like great heel in movies
like The Benchwarmers and of course old school.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, and he birthed the Daily Show right, he was
the first host for that.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
And Kilbourne on ESPN. Again subtle heel, very subtle, but
he was so good at it. I am a big
Craig Kilbourne fan. Uh we got Josh are we talking
Hawk at the bottom of the hour? Penguins in Montreal tonight?
Here all the action right here on one oh five
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