October 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Mark is back and talks at length about the Steelers and Bengals with Tommy Radio. THey also talk about movie old timers for the trifecta
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Penguins lost four to three at Anaheim last night despite
getting a very early two zero lead. The goaltending and
defense are gonna kill him and did last night. Brasiers
scored again. That's four goals already, just sixty three seconds
in and bang Money shot just like a young man
(00:23):
coming in from Kavicy. I feel so unseatisfied. But they lost.
Uh Watherspoon took a late Delaya Gay penalty, Carlson Latang
were terrible on defense. Josh gets off to play by
play guy on TV passed out between the second and
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third period. I didn't think they were playing that bad.
Looks like Josh is gonna be okay. This is the
Mart Maddon Show. Do I sound better? I feel a
bit better. I'm not sure I sound better. You can
follow me on Twitter at Mark mad X. This game
in Cincinnati feels like a typical Tomlin trap game, don't it.
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But at this point, don't they all feel like typical
Tomlin trap games? Remember Flacco beat the Steelers within the
last year and Tomlin is I think? Is it oh
to six against division opponents on the road in Thursday
night football. That's meaningless, but let's run with it. Maybe
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the Steelers will hurt Flacco or maybe he'll just turn
to dust organically because he's so old. This game, My god,
what are they calling it? The icy Hotbull two forty
year old quarterbacks? This is like that Sidefeld episode with
that old fitness instructor Lloyd Bridges. It's go time, mand
O bomb, Mando Bomb, Mando bomb, and then the Steelers
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will be five and one, which is exactly what they
need to be and exactly what was expected. I hear
the bad team saying, Tom, what isn't getting the credit
he deserves?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Uh? Okay, credit for what?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
This narrative doesn't change at all until Tom Will wins
a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let's not bring on Tommy Radio. Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Here's something I'm wondering. Who covers Chase and who covers Higgins?
How's that gonna break down?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm really curious about that too. They tend to put
Joey Porter Junior on T Higgins. Last year he followed
T Higgins around. Remember they did the hack a shack
thing because he had like six defensive pass interferences and
Tom was like, sometimes you just got a hack shack
in the end zone and it's like yeah, but this
time Burrow gets the ball on the one, So not
the same thing, but I think that that's what they're
gonna do. And then I I want to see Ramsey
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take Chase a lot, and then I'd throw Echos in
the slot and I'd go up to Darius Slay and
I just say, this is a matchup specific thing, but
you're not gonna play your usual workload today.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, Ramsey was supposed to follow the other team's top
receiver on the field, but that hasn't happened barely at
all this year. If it's me, I double up on
Higgins because he's more physical, bigger, stronger, harder to cover
because of those attributes.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And yeah, I would put Ramsey on Chase, but I
don't know what they do.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'll suspect they We'll just go with what's been working,
which is, you know, the guys line up where they
light up.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Or have Porter follow Higgins around the field and then
have Sleigh with a lot of help take on Jamar
Chase most of the time.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, but it ain't nobody followed anybody all year.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Tom gone totally against the green with what the purpose
of signing Ramsey was supposed to be that said, Ramsey's
been brilliant.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It has changed the whole defense around.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm just reading into what they usually did with Joey
against Higgins in the past, and the fact that Joey
hasn't been healthy all year. You know, the Cleveland game
was really his first game of the season. He got
hurt so early in the Jets game. I just think
eckles emergence as a real player in that secondary helps
you out so much with this problem, because I think
they'd be wondering, do we really want to pull Ramsey
away from the slot? Slagh can't play the slot as well,
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if at all. That kind of opens up a hole
in our defense there, but Echo stills that in so
nicely because he's a pure slot corner.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, all this discussion indication is going to be maybe
tougher than we're anticipating, and I think we anticipated to
be difficult covering those guys with Flacco, who has a
lively arm despite his age. You heard tom on on Monday,
is he scared of Flaco? Flacco beat the Steelers last
year with Indy.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He's too scared of Flacco. I don't know why you
would be so scared of him. Now, was his bogey quarterback.
His ten wins against the Steelers all time, at second
most behind Ken Anderson. I didn't know that until I
saw that stat today, So I guess there is some
merit to why Tomlin views him as a bit of
a boogeyman. But it's still Flacco, like he was a
punchline back. When he was on the Ravens mark, it
was like, oh, you better not lose to Flacco.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, but Tom was so full.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Of crap about trading in the division, trading to a rival,
same with BA. That's just old school nonsense. And it
should be noted Flacco broke in pretty good, pretty quick
with Cincinnati, despite having all must no time to learn
the playbook. Two hundred nineteen yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions
against Green Bay, admittedly in a loss.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And the big takeaway was twenty targets combined for Higgins
and Chase. I mean, he was just spamming the ball
towards Higgins and Chase. And that's that's why they traded
for him, because they knew, you know what, Browning sucks.
Let's just get a guy that's gonna throw the ball
up to those two as much as possible, and you
saw the one Chase touchdown that made it kind of
a game late against Green Bay. I mean, Chase is
the best receiver in football for a reason. Just throw
it up in a double team, he'll come down with it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Given how bad that Cincinnati defense is, it's a lot
at least twenty seven points against in every game but one.
Will the Steelers offense expand its horizons at all?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do you mean as far as the style that they
play now, they'll do the same thing that they've been doing.
But I think it's going to be very successful against Cincinnati.
I think they're going to score a lot of points
in this game.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
See, i'd come on throwing against that defense, kind of
like you did last year with Russ Just airball or
bomb at all game long against Burrow and then of course,
even though they won a high scoring again they went
to the Rock Fight, they lost. I just don't see that.
Like Austin is already ruled out.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
We just got that from practice today that he's not
going to be playing in this game tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Hey, don't get no targets anyway.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
What do you do though, Like, if you do want
to expand your offense, is a Roman Wilson you just
throw him out there and see if he sinks or swims. Like,
do you expand with the tight ends? I don't know.
I really don't know what you know, changing the offense,
expanding the offense, opening it up. Looks like for this team,
they're just going to be the jumbo package. They're going
to throw to DK a lot, and they'll use their
running backs at a higher percentage than most teams do.
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I think that's just going to be consistent all year.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now we hear again that the Raiders might be looking
to trade ja Kobe Mars, but the Steelers don't want him.
The Steelers don't think they need him. The Steelers are
fine with what they've got.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Am I right? Am I right?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You're right about those last two things. Especially, they think
that they're good with what they got, They think they
don't need him. I think it's just such a missed
opportunity when you have potentially a four game lead on
the division after this week plays out, to not strike,
to not go and try to get a guy like
that and put you over the top, guarantee that you'll
win the division and then give yourself a really good
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chance at home in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What does it say about the NFL and it's quarterbacks
when you got two forty year olds starting in this game.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's only the third time it's happened, so it's not
like it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No, No, But here's what it's symptomatic of. This league
doesn't give young quarterbacks a chance. Now, I'm not saying
that Cincinnati should be playing Jake Browning instead there in
an extreme position because of Joe Burrow. I'm not saying
that the Steelers should have, you know, started Mason Rudolph.
We wait, really a young quarterback no more. But boy,
it seems like if you're a decent quarterback, you can
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play forever in this league. And the examples are numerous.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, that's true. Like if you have some success as
a quarterback, you're in it forever, as long as you
want to be as a backup, a journeyman, a guy.
I mean, they'll call guys off the couch that are
bums to come in and help save a team. That's
what happened a Flacco two years ago with the Browns.
He was done on his couch and they called him
and begged him and said, please come back. And help us,
and he got him to the playoffs. Three out of
the four quarterbacks that have played in those head to
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head matchups as forty year olds are all time greats
Brady Breeze when head to head a couple times in Rogers.
Flacco's not. But I'm saying like it's rare. I think
when you get to this, and.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm a big believer in youth being served, I think
the Brons in their position at one in five were
wise to trade Flacco, whise, to give Dylan Gabriel the
starting job, even giving Shador Stabs at some point, maybe
starting him later in the season.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I could even see that. But on the other hand, you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Look at the guy like Zach Wilson who was drafted
second overall, and he just hasn't turned out so many
young quarterbacks. Pryce Young too, I mean, hasn't really turned
out so many young quarterbacks. What is like a fifty
to fifty shot. Yeah, if you draft a quarterback in
the first round that he's even a legitimate.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Starter, no doubt, there's a definite high chance of busting there.
I think it's just they're so desperate for quarterbacks sometimes
that you overrate some of these prospects that come out
of college because getting that franchise guy means everything for
an organization, So I think that plays into it. It's
just like the desperation is what you yields the fifty
to fifty kind of odds when you go in on
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the first round on quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That XGM dude, the local guy, he said that Cleveland
traded Flacco to Cincinnati to try and screw the Steelers,
like the whole football world revolves around the frigging Steelers.
I just I refuse to believe that even entered remotely
into Cleveland's thinking, and also too with Cleveland, their owner
wants Shador to play. He traded Flacco, the coach didn't
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even know it was coming. Clearly this is trying to
clear the path for Shador to more easily play.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Not enough people are talking about that on a national
level either, that this is a clear owner meddling into
the situation.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Especially after Stefanski said what he said.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Well, I have a little theory. Tomlin and Stefanski are
not friends, but they're acquaintances. They've played each other a lot.
I'm sure they hang out at meetings together. They talk
on the field before games, do you think Stefanski might
have been like spilling the beans a little bit to
him and being like, I can't believe they did that
to me. I can't believe they just you know, blindsided
me like that. So Mike Tomlin, like the Brotherhood of
Coaches comes to the podium and kind of defends him
a little bit by throwing Andrew Berry under the bus.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yes, I just know I wouldn't want to hang out
with Tomlin. Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Joe Hayden said that if Toma was in Cleveland that
they wouldn't be in this situation. First off, Joe, you're
you're not on the Steelers anymore. You don't have to
kiss the coasts ass now. But do you do you
feel like like, I don't think tom On would change
that much with the Browns. I think Stefanski's a better
coach than Tomlin, coaching the year twice, beat Tomlin in
a playoff.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Game without even being there that game because of COVID.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Do you think any coach would really change the Browns? Like,
it's just kind of a stupid thing to say the
Browns is the Browns? Like Juju said, they.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Always well like like I always say, there are certain
teams in the NFL whose DNA is so fouled that
it will take just something monumental to turn their fortune around.
The Jets or one even more so, and the Browns
are another.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Just around the corner.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
We're gonna talk about who has been the biggest difference
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Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'm gonna talk at length more about how the Steelers
handle Jamar Chason T. Higgins, who covers who and how many?
Like I said to Tommy Radio a minute ago, we
got told Ramsey was gonna follow the other team's top white.
Not a round that hasn't happened. But I can't criticize
it because the defense has been real good and in
fact changed by Ramsey's presence and his versatility. The talk
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for the Steelers to get the top seed in the
AFC is really cooking now. After Buffalo lost to Atlanta
on Monday. I wasn't in yesterday, but I did watch
that game, and I think you figured out on your
own the Bejon Robinson is just amazing, by far, the
best running back in the league. So Buffalo has lost
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two in a row, and like I said, the dream
of the Steelers getting the number one seed in the AFC,
it is alive, and it's possible. You beat SINCI year
five and one, and then it's home games against Green
Bay and Indy and then at the LA Chargers. If
you're seven and two at that point, if you win
two out of those three, if you win two out
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of three against some good teams that you're finally playing,
then yeah, maybe Tom wants your prediction. How will the
Steelers do assuming they beat Cincinnati in those three games,
Green Bay, Indie, both at home and at the LA Chargers.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I can't shake the feeling that they're gonna go one
and two in that stretch. They absolutely have to be
two and one if they're the team that everybody's pretending
that they are, and maybe they are that team. After
the Browns win, then you win two of those games.
You got two of them at home. The Chargers look
broken right now, so that's not an intimidating road game.
They're injured all over their offensive line. They don't have
any running backs, so two out of three has to happen.
(13:10):
I just I feel skeptical still that until I see it,
I'm not gonna believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Actually, I think the Cincinnati game is an earlier proven guy,
like we got some sound later we're gonna play from
Steven A.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
If the Steelers are who we think they are, they
should have no problem with Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, but I want to see them measure up against
the legitimately good team Green Bay. I think we're ready
to call Indie a legitimately good team.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
What I'm saying is if they, if they somehow would
stumble against Cincinnati, it delegitimizes them before the good teams.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Have a chance to even if it's you know, a
rock fighting game on Thursday Night football, that they just
come away with a win in because a win's a win. Mark,
I don't know if you've heard that.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I have, indeed not least quite a bit lately. But
uh hey, you know what I said before the season,
They need to start five to one. Yes, I wasn't
sure which game they blow, but it was the Seattle game.
They should really, I mean, they were better than all
the teams they played till now, better than the six
teams including Cincinnati on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
That's minus Burrow.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Of course, Funny enough, they might not have been better
than the Jets, like that might have been the only
game that they got out played.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That might be the best game the Jets play all year. Now,
Now I asked this before, Tom, Who's been the biggest
difference maker among the new Steelers. Isn't Ramsey. It's gotta
be Rogers, right, I mean, well, I mean, I I
know it's a little hanging fruit, but I think Rudolph
could do most of what Rodgers has done. Although Rogers
is the guy at the moment of truth, but Ramsey
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has changed the entire approach to the defense. His versatility,
his ability to be I keep using this phrase a
Swiss army knife.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Rogers still has those wow throws that Rudolph could never
dream of making most quarterbacks could never dream of making.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And pre snap I just you never have the guts
to try, to man, and you're right about the pre snap.
His value pre snap is just incalculable. But Ramsey's. If
I go Rogers, Ramsey would be my second choice. I
think He's been the best player on the defensive side
of the ball, save maybe Nick Herbig coming up on
the outside. He's been their most impactful defender.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You know what I hate.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
About all the Nick Herbig discussion. And don't get me wrong,
he's great. They have to trade high Smith and Season's
in no doubt, so Herbig and Watt are the starters.
I think that the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer can
do a good enough job. Is the third edge rusher.
You save some cap, you can maybe improve your team elsewhere.
I do worry about herbig susceptibility to injury, but certainly
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that is stricken high Smith. I don't know lately more
than Herbig even But I don't like when people say
that Herbig is a better pure pass rusher than TJ.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Watt. First off, what's that even mean pure? I don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Second off, her Big benefits from operating and watch shadow.
So I'm not the biggest t J. Watt fan because
I think he's a blowhard and a gym teacher. But
in terms of who's the better pass rusher, it's not
even close.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's TJ. Wattt.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It kind of gives you the vibes of Juju winning
that team MVP because AB just took all the coverage
that year. Remember, and Juji put up a huge season.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's just because he didn't like AB.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That was part of it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But one of those team MVPs are just a popularity contest.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But what I was going with that analogy was like
Juju was swimming in AB's wake and he was benefiting
from it. And that's definitely happening with her Big. Credit
to her Big. I think he's just no knock on
her big. I think he's a fantastic pass rusher. But
let's see how Watt would do if he was getting
a lot of those one on one being left out
on an island matchups like Herbig gets because of what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You know, who else I put up there in terms
of changing the team is Derek Harmon. People said that
one guy couldn't fix the run defense. Well he's come
pretty close. The run defense has been a lot better
since he healed up and got in there. He's changed
the look of that the approach in the trenches, and
he's made Kan who met in a much better place.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yes, the trickle down is so evident, And now why
you're black, I think can be put into a role
that's more appropriate for him as a rookie, a fifth
round pick. It's it's really perfect. It looks like it's
going to be a really good draft pick for the Steelers,
and they don't have many of those lately, Mark, So
kudos for them to nail him. And they needed to
because Cam Hayward's actually settled into playing really good this year.
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Just solid Cam Hayward season, But he had no one
that was evident that he could pass that baton off to.
Harmon is clearly a top defensive tackle on a team.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I don't think Cam's gonna get his bonuses though.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
To you, no, I don't no soup for you.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's not looking good for him.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, you know what when we said that everybody stay
faced with that agreement. Not really.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, I mean maybe at the time Cam got
the okie dope and we accepted that, but he lost.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
At least he's playing well though at least that the
beginning of the year. I was a little bit nervous
because he did not look good in that Jets game, Like,
is this when the kind of table falls out from
underneath Cam Hayward. He's too old now, but he looks fine.
You know what's funny, Tom, is that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Every game for the Steelers because I think they're such
a tight rope to get to the next level, to
finally win a playoff game. I think they need a
home game. I think they need to win a division.
I think they need even if they do win the division,
the right opponent in the wildcard round. Ironically, if they
would somehow get the top seed in the AFC, it
would give them a great opponent in their first playoff game,
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and they might not win it. Then again, if you're
the number one seed, you get whoever pulls the upset
in the wildcard round, which is something you could you
could do well by. But my point is, it feels
like the Steelers don't beat Cincinnati if Flacco comes in
and beats them at quarterback for the Bengals, in some ways,
they're four and two and almost back to square one.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'm probably wrong about that, but maybe I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I would think the Ravens have some life if that happens.
If the Bengals beat the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't think that. I think the Steelers. I think
the Steelers will win the division. Really, even if they
stumble to it. At this point, I think the Ravens
are too far gone. See, then again, that would be
a third win for the Bengals. Would that breathe life
into them? And Joe comes back in December. It's not
like Burrow's done for the set.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We think that turf toes a funny thing, asked Jack.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Lambert ended his career, so maybe he doesn't come back,
but I'm sure he'd push to come back if the
Bengals were still alive. Tim and I were talking about
this yesterday though, Mark, like, even though the Steelers look
good right now and they're four and one going on
five and one, it's still probably gonna end up at
ten and seven. Like if you go down the schedule,
it just kind of logically gets there if they still there.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So if they lose it Cincinnati, it might wind up
in nine.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And eight, And then I predicted That's what I'm saying, Like,
then all of a sudden, the Ravens now they would
only be able to lose three more games to be
nine and eight. But I could see that happening, And
what if they sweep the Steelers, then all of a
sudden you lose the tie breaker so if you lose
this game, you mess around with the North.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And you see, I told everyone exactly how the season
would start, and it is and I predicted nine at eight.
Despite that, I said that start five on one and
then finished nine and eight, And I got to tell
you I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I just don't see them in that much better of
a life.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Although Rogers, like you said the pre snap stuff and
Ramsey's transformed the defense. I saw those things coming tom
maybe not to the degree they've.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Upgraded, but until I see them go up against green
Bay Indy and they don't have to win the game,
but at least stay in it, make it a game
into the fourth quarter, a one possession loss, Indy or
green Bay just one of those games.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Got I mean green Bay I could accept thelass to
because they're my close.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
You gotta beat Indy. I mean, Indy's certainly not proven
for real. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
They're pretty good, but they haven't played much either. Well,
they beat Denver, I don't know. I'm up in the area,
which is great, better than Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Danny Dives is great, and the coach Jones, Tomlin and
Jonathan Taylor Thomas from from what was that show Home Improvement.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right right, he's a great running back stichens.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Three and oh against Tomlin since becoming the Colts head
coach and dominating fashion.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah no, I mean, what's by the way, do we
talk about this? What's a better nickname? Indiana Jones? And
just stick with Danny.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Dimes is a way better nickname, lazy.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
It's an old guy forced sports center nickname.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Danny Dimes is perfect and it's been a thing for
years now. Why are we trying to rebrand Danny Dimes?
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And not only that was it was ironic and that's
funny when he sucked, but he don't suck no more?
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They did a tribute last night. It was the home
opener for Montreal. He did a tribute to Ken Dryden.
It was really simple and quiet. Before the game, they
had a spotlight on one net and they had Dryden's
mask on top of it, and they had a spotlight
on his number twenty nine hanging in the rafters and
the crowd just responded.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
No team in sports has a better tradition to Montreal,
and no team is better than spotlighting tradition than the Canadians.
So that was just a a really well done memoriam
to Ken dry last night, who obviously I was very
fond of one of my heroes as a kid and
who I had a good interaction with h later on
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in my professional life. Tom, I don't know if you
saw much the Penguin game. It was for the Night
Out Club. To quote the late and great Mike Lang,
I mean, that's gonna happen a lot. They just can't
play defense and they have bad goaltending. Like Jar's a
kind of goalie. Like I don't think any of the
goals were bad, but like stop something.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, none of them were great.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
There was a one time when the power play from
the right circle.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It don't get me wrong, it's a one timer on
the power play from the right circle, but it hit
right in the middle of the net, you know what
I mean. It didn't It didn't beat him just inside
the post. It didn't beat him far corner. It just
went right in the middle of the net. He just
didn't get there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
He's just not a good goalie, yeah, I mean, he's
just a backup. I think at this point that's all
he'll ever be in this league, and maybe not even
a very good one at that. He only faced twenty
two shots in the game. I mean, you just got
to come up with one or two big saves and
it just feels like he never does that. And Mark,
for whatever reason, at the end of periods he lets
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in a goal like I don't know what it is,
but he did it at the end of the first
period last night, and then he did it towards the
end of the game with Cryder's game winning goal.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well I know why that is, because he's really stupid.
He have the attention span of a goats, that's.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Why is that possible, but of a period.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Like I mean, it was funny though, because she Loves
played such a great game shutting out the Ranger at
the Garden for the opening night win, and since then
they've gotten like no goaltending at all. How about this, Tom,
The Rangers got shut out at MSG again last night
by Edmonton, and they're now the first team in NHL
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history to open the season being shut out three straight
times at home.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And you know, we can't.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Laugh at that too much because the Rangers came to
Pittsburgh and scored six goals on Saturday. But you know what,
you know what I'm really happy about is I hate
that goal song the Rangers that like its variation on
the hay song la la la l like it's awful.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's cities. I do hate it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, this is also your prediction of the Rangers not
being as good as people think they're gonna be. That's
already starting to come to fruition early, and.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No one else I hear, I hear their management has
already figured it out. They're talking about making some big
moves already, like maybe trading up Panarin or somebody like that,
that they're not a contender this year. I'm sure Sully
would be thrilled by that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
They have to readjust they're gonna kind of get back
into kind of what the Penguins are in, kind of
stuck in that mushy middal.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
There'd be some irony there one there for coach Sullivan,
but well we all know the only reason he took
that job was to get the six point five million,
and I don't blame him.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's a lot of money. Highest paid coaching hockey.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
But before we move on for the Penguins, what was
your take, because we didn't get to talk about it much.
Steeler game Monday out yesterday, Conan being sent down, What
do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I didn't like scratching Brunick last night. I didn't
like sending Coyvenan down either. You can't have kids in
a rebuilding face looking over their shoulders all the time.
I also agree that you ki'd have the extra d
and the extra forwards. Like last night was the first
game for Dumba and Connor Clifton all year.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You can't have them never play.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You gotta work him in, but don't scratch the kids,
and don't send Covin and to Wilks. That does not
help develop and mal and Airey he has a sub
stack now.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
He had a real good point. You know, could you
scratch a veteran too?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean, Carlson and Latang were awful, ast like just awful,
but if you scratch them, they'd be wholly hell to pay.
But if you scratch kids and don't scratch veterans, then
you still have the veterans running the team.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I thought, and being sent down was foolish, especially after
two games. I know he wasn't playing well in those
two games, but you got to keep him up here
for a little bit longer than that, at least. Looking
play Devil's Advocate a little bit on the Brunic thing,
being scratched. Is that a sign to you that he's
here to stay for the season and maybe they're gonna
load men him throughout.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
If that's the case, I'm cool with it, But I
don't think he's a sign of anything necessarily.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
If he goes back to junior after now, five games
from now or five games, six games, I guess for
him that he'd play in, then what is the freaking
point of load management?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I for sure don't like the way Coyvenan's being handled.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
H When Russ got healthy and they put Rust and
Riquel right back with Sid. It is part of Sid's
job to help develop the young talent, not just play
with guys who he thinks can you know, allow him
to stick to his pattern, let him be comfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think Coyvenan needs to play with Sid.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't care who the other wing is, but Coyvenan
should play with him because he's a SID type of
winger if you give him more than a game.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To figure it out.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
One hundred percent, and I just figured that Coyvenan was
here for the season unless something catastrophic happened and he
was just awful and it was clear he had to
be sent down. But two games in you finally get
a healthy lineup and he's the one. I mean, why
not just scratch Charie? Like, why the obsession with him?
Although he didn't get a jersey last night, Tomasino played
for him.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, right, But I guess the thing sending a veteran down,
I guess Wilkes, there's there's a quota of veterans. You
can only have so many, and I think that's the problem.
But then the roster should have been managed better so
that problem didn't come up.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, not a good sign lately with how the youth
has been treated. And it was so exciting last week
when they opened the season and it looked like this
youth movement. I don't know, I'm probably reading too much
into it, but I think Bruni's here to stay. They're
gonna load management him and Kendall's probably going back to
junior after five games now.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I have no feel on where that's going. Okay none,
and I should, but I don't. And I have no
feel when Coyven is coming back up either.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well, that is the biggest head scratcher to me. It's
just even if you get him off of said line,
you're right, he needs to be playing with Sid. But
say you don't want him on Sid's line, why can't
he be on the third line?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Like why why? I know, I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I don't want him playing with the with a Charie
or or I don't know, you could put him with
I guess kindall. Then again, but then a kid lined,
I'm not sure guy's that young.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I just put him with Sid. Sid's job is to
help him that too.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Do you think that that is dubis and muse trying
to read into Sid or do you think Sid has
kind of let it known in the Sid way like
I would prefer to play with Russ and Ricou.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I think it's one of those things that Sid never
has to even hit at and it's divine they know. Yeah,
But like like I.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Just I mean, if if what can and carlst are
going to play as bad as they did last night
and just get their usual workload of minutes, then the
veterans still run the.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Team, right, Dumba has to play. You can't just have
him road on the bench. But there's nothing illegal about
Dumba sliding in for Carlson for a game, or oh.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
There's nothing m moving somebody to the left side that
shoots right.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And they seem to show you in training camp that
he might be damn us more willing to do that right,
but he's not done it. He's not in the case
so far.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, I mean Cotterclift and big Stiff who cares wasn't
impressed Dumba played Okay, I guess, but.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
He's Mat Dumba. I mean, you know who Matt Dumba is.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, there's gonna be a lot of games like that
where the Penguins score three and the other team scores four,
where the Penguins have decent offensive output, but they just
you know, let in too many.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I will say this though, and it's way too early
to be worried about this. I can't do this. Two
win two lost, two win two lost. Thing right, either
got to have a big winning streak or gonna have
a big losing streak coming up. And it's gonna be
a losing streak, but it needs to happen so they
can kind of put them set.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I hate that cavalier stuff, like I see guys on
the Bead team saying, you know, one one lost closer
to to Gavin McKenna. First off, it's not that simple
second off. You know, it's none of your business. I mean,
don't don't talk about it sporadically and then put it
in that light when you do.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And if you want to say to me.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well you don't care about the Steelers, I'd give anything
to not be able to talk about the Steelers anything.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I'm not that kind of guy that's like, oh, they
win a game and it's like, crap, I can't believe
we just lost out on the lottery. But I mean
I do kind of want to see the forest through
the trees here, Mark, And I don't think this team's
going very many places with that defense and goaltending this year.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I hate.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I hate losing on the day though, the especially blowing
a two goal lead. But has Eddie Johnston once said
to PR director Terry Schiffauer in the Civicarna elevator and
nineteen eighty four when Shifty was throwing a fit over
a come from a head loss, Shifty, I don't think
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Speaker 2 (31:37):
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Speaker 1 (31:40):
I've completed my purchase of Get the Letout tickets their
annual to night residency this year January second and third
at the Palace Theater in Greensburg, Little New Year's Action.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I was gonna say rocking in the New Year's Get
the Let Out.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yep, I love doing that. It's Friday and Saturday. I've
not stayed out there yet. I usually just drive back
and forth. I should do that because Greensburg's act actually
more fun than you think, like to downtown, a lot
of places to go, like some craft breweries, one great
pizza place.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
So maybe I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean I go up there every once in
a while for training camp with the Steelers, have to
do a couple shows. It seems like a fun time Latrope.
I mean, there's things to do Greensburg, and.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I got a Penguins game coming up with Sharky's later
this month, and then details to come a residency of
a whole bunch of penguins viewing parties at Dino's in Latrop.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You're mister Greensburg coming here.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They love me and Westmoreland, Connie, Tom What do we
got for the trifecta?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
For today's trifective mark? Since we've got the Rogers Versus
Flacco game tomorrow, I'm gonna go with movie Old Timers
number three? Have you ever seen the movie Grand Tarino
and Walt Kowalski. Clint Eastwood's character, he's the best. I
love how he goats the gang too at the end
into shooting him because he reaches in for what they
think is a gun. Just light him up. It's a
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pack of cigarettes. Fool ja.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, Clint Eastwood like he's good as a bitter anything,
bitter old man like Dirty Harry was kind of bitter.
If you want to go way back, he's just the unforgiven.
I mean, come on, Clint Eastwood can't beat him numbers.
He's still alive, right, Yes, he is. He's still functional,
got to be I think he is still functional. Got
to be close to one hundred. Gene Hackman just passed, right,
that's right?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
What was he good to number two Blue You're My
boy Blue from Old School. Nothing beats that ky jelly
wrestling scene where he just falls straight back after the
girls take their tops off.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Well, we're confident the autopsy will show it was natural causes.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That well that I can't explain right into.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
The transition of clues. Min it's beautifully down at the funeral.
But my number one old guy in movies has to
be Mickey, Right, come on, rock I mean, he's just
the quintessential old timer.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And he had the heart attack and Rocky lied to
him about having won the fight right at.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
The end of three, Right, is that when Mickey croaked
or was it four?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
No, the middle middle middle three when when he when
he got killed when Rocky got his ass kicked by
mister t that's right, and Mickey.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Was like you in the fight, rock.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Did you like three?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Three was probably the one that fell the flattest. Five.
Five was pretty bad too with Tommy Gunn It's definitely
one is number one because it's Rocky. Yeah, then I'd
probably go four, just out of entertainment aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Then I'd go to the fact that Russia turns on
its own boxer. Yes, in a totalitarian state to root
for the America. The entire audience will be dead. They
just would have mowed him down with machine guns. They
would have let Rocky leave the ring. They wouldn't have killed.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Him well in some of the Americans, because you don't
want that getting out right to the Western He did
this to them, and then it was on as far
as they would be concerned. And then I'd go probably
two as number three, and then I'd put three at four,
and then five would be free.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
See number one is the best, Yes, okay, five was
the worst.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Tommy Gunn Rocky Balbo was kind of underrated. Oh I
forgot about those ones, like the later installments, and it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Was okay, But uh see, I see three is really
good because he was a great heel like especially hey woman.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And three with a real man. Three is thunderlips too
at the beginning, exactly at the beginning of the.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Exactly, So I might rank three second above four, Come on,
I might and two because of the double knock dot finish.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh yeah, that's just.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So class first time I saw that, you know, being
a wrestling guy and being a fan of great finishes.
When they both walked on like oh Man, double knockdown,
who get Like that's the end of like almost every
Texas depth match ever where like you have Terry Funk
at one corner, Dusty Rhoades another corner.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And Dusty just gets up before the ten cow.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Now, the relationship between Apollo and Rocky and three is
magical how they blossom into friends and they're running on
the beach together and jumping in the waves together when
they're training. And then of course that classic freeze frame
ending to close the movie out Rocky three where they
have the exhibition fight with those two together running.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
On the beach together.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That was a choice, that's they're jumping in the waves.
It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah yeah, But do we cut the Creed movies?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I've never seen them, but I hear.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Rocky movie, pure Rocky movie was Rocky Balboa, right.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yes, and then Creed. But see, isn't Rocky in Creed?
Like I think he's in the Creed like he's the trainer.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, so that counts, doesn't it, Like it's he's not fighting, Yeah,
he's the coach.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like in Rocky Balbo.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He came back to fight as an old time against
the current champ because the current champ didn't have no credibility.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
See that just doesn't work for me. And I never
saw Rocky Balbo, but does that? But was it believable?
He's so old, right.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I liked Rocky as a widow, a widower handling the
death of Adri.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Is that in Rocky Balbo?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah? Yeah that yeah, because he the only thing he
had left was he owned Adrian had a restaurant, like
a Italian restaurant. He continued running it, and Spider Rico,
his opponent from Rocky One, before he got the chance
against Apolo Uh worked as a dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I liked how the movies would progress and he would
just become more and more rich at home, Like remember
the fourth one they had like the robot that was
taking care of the kid while they were in Russia,
and he was like watching the fight on the TV.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, but in five he was broke because here's a
cotton stole everything.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
See five is a blind spot for me, because it's
so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You had to move back to his old house, like
in the old neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But the thing is that wouldn't happen because he would
have got so many, you know, commercial.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And media opportunities. Had never been broke.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I could have never expected this to lead to rocky
talk like this.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I'd rather talk about this than a freaking Steelers five
nine X.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
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Penguins lost four to three at Anaheim last night despite
getting a very early two zero lead. The goaltending and
defense are gonna kill him and did last night. Brasiers
scored again. That's four goals already, just sixty three seconds
in and bang Money shot just like a young man
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coming in from Kavicy. I feel so unseatisfied. But they lost.
Uh Watherspoon took a late Delaya Gay penalty, Carlson Latang
were terrible on defense. Josh gets off to play by
play guy on TV passed out between the second and
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third period. I didn't think they were playing that bad.
Looks like Josh is gonna be okay. This is the
Mart Maddon Show. Do I sound better? I feel a
bit better. I'm not sure I sound better. You can
follow me on Twitter at Mark mad X. This game
in Cincinnati feels like a typical Tomlin trap game, don't it.
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But at this point, don't they all feel like typical
Tomlin trap games? Remember Flacco beat the Steelers within the
last year and Tomlin is I think? Is it oh
to six against division opponents on the road in Thursday
night football. That's meaningless, but let's run with it. Maybe
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the Steelers will hurt Flacco or maybe he'll just turn
to dust organically because he's so old. This game, My god,
what are they calling it? The icy Hotbull two forty
year old quarterbacks? This is like that Sidefeld episode with
that old fitness instructor Lloyd Bridges. It's go time, mand
O bomb, Mando Bomb, Mando bomb, and then the Steelers
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will be five and one, which is exactly what they
need to be and exactly what was expected. I hear
the bad team saying, Tom, what isn't getting the credit
he deserves?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Uh? Okay, credit for what?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
This narrative doesn't change at all until Tom Will wins
a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let's not bring on Tommy Radio. Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Here's something I'm wondering. Who covers Chase and who covers Higgins?
How's that gonna break down?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
I'm really curious about that too. They tend to put
Joey Porter Junior on T Higgins. Last year he followed
T Higgins around. Remember they did the hack a shack
thing because he had like six defensive pass interferences and
Tom was like, sometimes you just got a hack shack
in the end zone and it's like yeah, but this
time Burrow gets the ball on the one, So not
the same thing, but I think that that's what they're
gonna do. And then I I want to see Ramsey
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take Chase a lot, and then I'd throw Echos in
the slot and I'd go up to Darius Slay and
I just say, this is a matchup specific thing, but
you're not gonna play your usual workload today.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Well, Ramsey was supposed to follow the other team's top
receiver on the field, but that hasn't happened barely at
all this year. If it's me, I double up on
Higgins because he's more physical, bigger, stronger, harder to cover
because of those attributes.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And yeah, I would put Ramsey on Chase, but I
don't know what they do.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'll suspect they We'll just go with what's been working,
which is, you know, the guys line up where they
light up.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Or have Porter follow Higgins around the field and then
have Sleigh with a lot of help take on Jamar
Chase most of the time.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, but it ain't nobody followed anybody all year.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Tom gone totally against the green with what the purpose
of signing Ramsey was supposed to be that said, Ramsey's
been brilliant.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It has changed the whole defense around.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm just reading into what they usually did with Joey
against Higgins in the past, and the fact that Joey
hasn't been healthy all year. You know, the Cleveland game
was really his first game of the season. He got
hurt so early in the Jets game. I just think
eckles emergence as a real player in that secondary helps
you out so much with this problem, because I think
they'd be wondering, do we really want to pull Ramsey
away from the slot? Slagh can't play the slot as well,
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if at all. That kind of opens up a hole
in our defense there, but Echo stills that in so
nicely because he's a pure slot corner.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well, all this discussion indication is going to be maybe
tougher than we're anticipating, and I think we anticipated to
be difficult covering those guys with Flacco, who has a
lively arm despite his age. You heard tom on on Monday,
is he scared of Flaco? Flacco beat the Steelers last
year with Indy.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He's too scared of Flacco. I don't know why you
would be so scared of him. Now, was his bogey quarterback.
His ten wins against the Steelers all time, at second
most behind Ken Anderson. I didn't know that until I
saw that stat today, So I guess there is some
merit to why Tomlin views him as a bit of
a boogeyman. But it's still Flacco, like he was a
punchline back. When he was on the Ravens mark, it
was like, oh, you better not lose to Flacco.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, but Tom was so full.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Of crap about trading in the division, trading to a rival,
same with BA. That's just old school nonsense. And it
should be noted Flacco broke in pretty good, pretty quick
with Cincinnati, despite having all must no time to learn
the playbook. Two hundred nineteen yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions
against Green Bay, admittedly in a loss.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And the big takeaway was twenty targets combined for Higgins
and Chase. I mean, he was just spamming the ball
towards Higgins and Chase. And that's that's why they traded
for him, because they knew, you know what, Browning sucks.
Let's just get a guy that's gonna throw the ball
up to those two as much as possible, and you
saw the one Chase touchdown that made it kind of
a game late against Green Bay. I mean, Chase is
the best receiver in football for a reason. Just throw
it up in a double team, he'll come down with it.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Given how bad that Cincinnati defense is, it's a lot
at least twenty seven points against in every game but one.
Will the Steelers offense expand its horizons at all?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do you mean as far as the style that they
play now, they'll do the same thing that they've been doing.
But I think it's going to be very successful against Cincinnati.
I think they're going to score a lot of points
in this game.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
See, i'd come on throwing against that defense, kind of
like you did last year with Russ Just airball or
bomb at all game long against Burrow and then of course,
even though they won a high scoring again they went
to the Rock Fight, they lost. I just don't see that.
Like Austin is already ruled out.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
We just got that from practice today that he's not
going to be playing in this game tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Hey, don't get no targets anyway.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
What do you do though, Like, if you do want
to expand your offense, is a Roman Wilson you just
throw him out there and see if he sinks or swims. Like,
do you expand with the tight ends? I don't know.
I really don't know what you know, changing the offense,
expanding the offense, opening it up. Looks like for this team,
they're just going to be the jumbo package. They're going
to throw to DK a lot, and they'll use their
running backs at a higher percentage than most teams do.
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I think that's just going to be consistent all year.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Now we hear again that the Raiders might be looking
to trade ja Kobe Mars, but the Steelers don't want him.
The Steelers don't think they need him. The Steelers are
fine with what they've got.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Am I right? Am I right?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You're right about those last two things. Especially, they think
that they're good with what they got, They think they
don't need him. I think it's just such a missed
opportunity when you have potentially a four game lead on
the division after this week plays out, to not strike,
to not go and try to get a guy like
that and put you over the top, guarantee that you'll
win the division and then give yourself a really good
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chance at home in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What does it say about the NFL and it's quarterbacks
when you got two forty year olds starting in this game.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's only the third time it's happened, so it's not
like it happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
No, No, But here's what it's symptomatic of. This league
doesn't give young quarterbacks a chance. Now, I'm not saying
that Cincinnati should be playing Jake Browning instead there in
an extreme position because of Joe Burrow. I'm not saying
that the Steelers should have, you know, started Mason Rudolph.
We wait, really a young quarterback no more. But boy,
it seems like if you're a decent quarterback, you can
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play forever in this league. And the examples are numerous.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, that's true. Like if you have some success as
a quarterback, you're in it forever, as long as you
want to be as a backup, a journeyman, a guy.
I mean, they'll call guys off the couch that are
bums to come in and help save a team. That's
what happened a Flacco two years ago with the Browns.
He was done on his couch and they called him
and begged him and said, please come back. And help us,
and he got him to the playoffs. Three out of
the four quarterbacks that have played in those head to
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head matchups as forty year olds are all time greats
Brady Breeze when head to head a couple times in Rogers.
Flacco's not. But I'm saying like it's rare. I think
when you get to this, and.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I'm a big believer in youth being served, I think
the Brons in their position at one in five were
wise to trade Flacco, whise, to give Dylan Gabriel the
starting job, even giving Shador Stabs at some point, maybe
starting him later in the season.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I could even see that. But on the other hand, you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Look at the guy like Zach Wilson who was drafted
second overall, and he just hasn't turned out so many
young quarterbacks. Pryce Young too, I mean, hasn't really turned
out so many young quarterbacks. What is like a fifty
to fifty shot. Yeah, if you draft a quarterback in
the first round that he's even a legitimate.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Starter, no doubt, there's a definite high chance of busting there.
I think it's just they're so desperate for quarterbacks sometimes
that you overrate some of these prospects that come out
of college because getting that franchise guy means everything for
an organization, So I think that plays into it. It's
just like the desperation is what you yields the fifty
to fifty kind of odds when you go in on
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the first round on quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That XGM dude, the local guy, he said that Cleveland
traded Flacco to Cincinnati to try and screw the Steelers,
like the whole football world revolves around the frigging Steelers.
I just I refuse to believe that even entered remotely
into Cleveland's thinking, and also too with Cleveland, their owner
wants Shador to play. He traded Flacco, the coach didn't
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even know it was coming. Clearly this is trying to
clear the path for Shador to more easily play.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Not enough people are talking about that on a national
level either, that this is a clear owner meddling into
the situation.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Especially after Stefanski said what he said.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Well, I have a little theory. Tomlin and Stefanski are
not friends, but they're acquaintances. They've played each other a lot.
I'm sure they hang out at meetings together. They talk
on the field before games, do you think Stefanski might
have been like spilling the beans a little bit to
him and being like, I can't believe they did that
to me. I can't believe they just you know, blindsided
me like that. So Mike Tomlin, like the Brotherhood of
Coaches comes to the podium and kind of defends him
a little bit by throwing Andrew Berry under the bus.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yes, I just know I wouldn't want to hang out
with Tomlin. Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Joe Hayden said that if Toma was in Cleveland that
they wouldn't be in this situation. First off, Joe, you're
you're not on the Steelers anymore. You don't have to
kiss the coasts ass now. But do you do you
feel like like, I don't think tom On would change
that much with the Browns. I think Stefanski's a better
coach than Tomlin, coaching the year twice, beat Tomlin in
a playoff.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Game without even being there that game because of COVID.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Do you think any coach would really change the Browns? Like,
it's just kind of a stupid thing to say the
Browns is the Browns? Like Juju said, they.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Always well like like I always say, there are certain
teams in the NFL whose DNA is so fouled that
it will take just something monumental to turn their fortune around.
The Jets or one even more so, and the Browns
are another.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Just around the corner.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
We're gonna talk about who has been the biggest difference
maker among the new Steelers. It's the mart Man Show,
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Speaker 1 (11:26):
I'm gonna talk at length more about how the Steelers
handle Jamar Chason T. Higgins, who covers who and how many?
Like I said to Tommy Radio a minute ago, we
got told Ramsey was gonna follow the other team's top white.
Not a round that hasn't happened. But I can't criticize
it because the defense has been real good and in
fact changed by Ramsey's presence and his versatility. The talk
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for the Steelers to get the top seed in the
AFC is really cooking now. After Buffalo lost to Atlanta
on Monday. I wasn't in yesterday, but I did watch
that game, and I think you figured out on your
own the Bejon Robinson is just amazing, by far, the
best running back in the league. So Buffalo has lost
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two in a row, and like I said, the dream
of the Steelers getting the number one seed in the AFC,
it is alive, and it's possible. You beat SINCI year
five and one, and then it's home games against Green
Bay and Indy and then at the LA Chargers. If
you're seven and two at that point, if you win
two out of those three, if you win two out
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of three against some good teams that you're finally playing,
then yeah, maybe Tom wants your prediction. How will the
Steelers do assuming they beat Cincinnati in those three games,
Green Bay, Indie, both at home and at the LA Chargers.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I can't shake the feeling that they're gonna go one
and two in that stretch. They absolutely have to be
two and one if they're the team that everybody's pretending
that they are, and maybe they are that team. After
the Browns win, then you win two of those games.
You got two of them at home. The Chargers look
broken right now, so that's not an intimidating road game.
They're injured all over their offensive line. They don't have
any running backs, so two out of three has to happen.
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I just I feel skeptical still that until I see it,
I'm not gonna believe it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Actually, I think the Cincinnati game is an earlier proven guy,
like we got some sound later we're gonna play from
Steven A.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
If the Steelers are who we think they are, they
should have no problem with Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, but I want to see them measure up against
the legitimately good team Green Bay. I think we're ready
to call Indie a legitimately good team.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
What I'm saying is if they, if they somehow would
stumble against Cincinnati, it delegitimizes them before the good teams.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Have a chance to even if it's you know, a
rock fighting game on Thursday Night football, that they just
come away with a win in because a win's a win. Mark,
I don't know if you've heard that.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I have, indeed not least quite a bit lately. But
uh hey, you know what I said before the season,
They need to start five to one. Yes, I wasn't
sure which game they blow, but it was the Seattle game.
They should really, I mean, they were better than all
the teams they played till now, better than the six
teams including Cincinnati on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
That's minus Burrow.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Of course, Funny enough, they might not have been better
than the Jets, like that might have been the only
game that they got out played.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
That might be the best game the Jets play all year. Now,
Now I asked this before, Tom, Who's been the biggest
difference maker among the new Steelers. Isn't Ramsey. It's gotta
be Rogers, right, I mean, well, I mean, I I
know it's a little hanging fruit, but I think Rudolph
could do most of what Rodgers has done. Although Rogers
is the guy at the moment of truth, but Ramsey
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has changed the entire approach to the defense. His versatility,
his ability to be I keep using this phrase a
Swiss army knife.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Rogers still has those wow throws that Rudolph could never
dream of making most quarterbacks could never dream of making.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
And pre snap I just you never have the guts
to try, to man, and you're right about the pre snap.
His value pre snap is just incalculable. But Ramsey's. If
I go Rogers, Ramsey would be my second choice. I
think He's been the best player on the defensive side
of the ball, save maybe Nick Herbig coming up on
the outside. He's been their most impactful defender.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You know what I hate.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
About all the Nick Herbig discussion. And don't get me wrong,
he's great. They have to trade high Smith and Season's
in no doubt, so Herbig and Watt are the starters.
I think that the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer can
do a good enough job. Is the third edge rusher.
You save some cap, you can maybe improve your team elsewhere.
I do worry about herbig susceptibility to injury, but certainly
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that is stricken high Smith. I don't know lately more
than Herbig even But I don't like when people say
that Herbig is a better pure pass rusher than TJ.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Watt. First off, what's that even mean pure? I don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Second off, her Big benefits from operating and watch shadow.
So I'm not the biggest t J. Watt fan because
I think he's a blowhard and a gym teacher. But
in terms of who's the better pass rusher, it's not
even close.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's TJ. Wattt.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
It kind of gives you the vibes of Juju winning
that team MVP because AB just took all the coverage
that year. Remember, and Juji put up a huge season.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's just because he didn't like AB.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
That was part of it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
But one of those team MVPs are just a popularity contest.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But what I was going with that analogy was like
Juju was swimming in AB's wake and he was benefiting
from it. And that's definitely happening with her Big. Credit
to her Big. I think he's just no knock on
her big. I think he's a fantastic pass rusher. But
let's see how Watt would do if he was getting
a lot of those one on one being left out
on an island matchups like Herbig gets because of what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You know, who else I put up there in terms
of changing the team is Derek Harmon. People said that
one guy couldn't fix the run defense. Well he's come
pretty close. The run defense has been a lot better
since he healed up and got in there. He's changed
the look of that the approach in the trenches, and
he's made Kan who met in a much better place.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yes, the trickle down is so evident, And now why
you're black, I think can be put into a role
that's more appropriate for him as a rookie, a fifth
round pick. It's it's really perfect. It looks like it's
going to be a really good draft pick for the Steelers,
and they don't have many of those lately, Mark, So
kudos for them to nail him. And they needed to
because Cam Hayward's actually settled into playing really good this year.
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Just solid Cam Hayward season, But he had no one
that was evident that he could pass that baton off to.
Harmon is clearly a top defensive tackle on a team.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I don't think Cam's gonna get his bonuses though.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
To you, no, I don't no soup for you.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's not looking good for him.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Well, you know what when we said that everybody stay
faced with that agreement. Not really.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, I mean maybe at the time Cam got
the okie dope and we accepted that, but he lost.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
At least he's playing well though at least that the
beginning of the year. I was a little bit nervous
because he did not look good in that Jets game, Like,
is this when the kind of table falls out from
underneath Cam Hayward. He's too old now, but he looks fine.
You know what's funny, Tom, is that.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Every game for the Steelers because I think they're such
a tight rope to get to the next level, to
finally win a playoff game. I think they need a
home game. I think they need to win a division.
I think they need even if they do win the division,
the right opponent in the wildcard round. Ironically, if they
would somehow get the top seed in the AFC, it
would give them a great opponent in their first playoff game,
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and they might not win it. Then again, if you're
the number one seed, you get whoever pulls the upset
in the wildcard round, which is something you could you
could do well by. But my point is, it feels
like the Steelers don't beat Cincinnati if Flacco comes in
and beats them at quarterback for the Bengals, in some ways,
they're four and two and almost back to square one.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I'm probably wrong about that, but maybe I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I would think the Ravens have some life if that happens.
If the Bengals beat the Steelers.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Oh no, I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I don't think that. I think the Steelers. I think
the Steelers will win the division. Really, even if they
stumble to it. At this point, I think the Ravens
are too far gone. See, then again, that would be
a third win for the Bengals. Would that breathe life
into them? And Joe comes back in December. It's not
like Burrow's done for the set.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We think that turf toes a funny thing, asked Jack.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Lambert ended his career, so maybe he doesn't come back,
but I'm sure he'd push to come back if the
Bengals were still alive. Tim and I were talking about
this yesterday though, Mark, like, even though the Steelers look
good right now and they're four and one going on
five and one, it's still probably gonna end up at
ten and seven. Like if you go down the schedule,
it just kind of logically gets there if they still there.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So if they lose it Cincinnati, it might wind up
in nine.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And eight, And then I predicted That's what I'm saying, Like,
then all of a sudden, the Ravens now they would
only be able to lose three more games to be
nine and eight. But I could see that happening, And
what if they sweep the Steelers, then all of a
sudden you lose the tie breaker so if you lose
this game, you mess around with the North.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And you see, I told everyone exactly how the season
would start, and it is and I predicted nine at eight.
Despite that, I said that start five on one and
then finished nine and eight, And I got to tell
you I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I just don't see them in that much better of
a life.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Although Rogers, like you said the pre snap stuff and
Ramsey's transformed the defense. I saw those things coming tom
maybe not to the degree they've.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Upgraded, but until I see them go up against green
Bay Indy and they don't have to win the game,
but at least stay in it, make it a game
into the fourth quarter, a one possession loss, Indy or
green Bay just one of those games.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Got I mean green Bay I could accept thelass to
because they're my close.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
You gotta beat Indy. I mean, Indy's certainly not proven
for real. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
They're pretty good, but they haven't played much either. Well,
they beat Denver, I don't know. I'm up in the area,
which is great, better than Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Danny Dives is great, and the coach Jones, Tomlin and
Jonathan Taylor Thomas from from what was that show Home Improvement.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Right right, he's a great running back stichens.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Three and oh against Tomlin since becoming the Colts head
coach and dominating fashion.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah no, I mean, what's by the way, do we
talk about this? What's a better nickname? Indiana Jones? And
just stick with Danny.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Dimes is a way better nickname, lazy.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
It's an old guy forced sports center nickname.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Danny Dimes is perfect and it's been a thing for
years now. Why are we trying to rebrand Danny Dimes?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
And not only that was it was ironic and that's
funny when he sucked, but he don't suck no more?
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They won three to one.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
That Demodoph is great. He just great. I say trade
sid for him right now, just kidding. Probably.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
They did a tribute last night. It was the home
opener for Montreal. He did a tribute to Ken Dryden.
It was really simple and quiet. Before the game, they
had a spotlight on one net and they had Dryden's
mask on top of it, and they had a spotlight
on his number twenty nine hanging in the rafters and
the crowd just responded.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
No team in sports has a better tradition to Montreal,
and no team is better than spotlighting tradition than the Canadians.
So that was just a a really well done memoriam
to Ken dry last night, who obviously I was very
fond of one of my heroes as a kid and
who I had a good interaction with h later on
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in my professional life. Tom, I don't know if you
saw much the Penguin game. It was for the Night
Out Club. To quote the late and great Mike Lang,
I mean, that's gonna happen a lot. They just can't
play defense and they have bad goaltending. Like Jar's a
kind of goalie. Like I don't think any of the
goals were bad, but like stop something.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, none of them were great.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
There was a one time when the power play from
the right circle.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
It don't get me wrong, it's a one timer on
the power play from the right circle, but it hit
right in the middle of the net, you know what
I mean. It didn't It didn't beat him just inside
the post. It didn't beat him far corner. It just
went right in the middle of the net. He just
didn't get there.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
He's just not a good goalie, yeah, I mean, he's
just a backup. I think at this point that's all
he'll ever be in this league, and maybe not even
a very good one at that. He only faced twenty
two shots in the game. I mean, you just got
to come up with one or two big saves and
it just feels like he never does that. And Mark,
for whatever reason, at the end of periods he lets
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in a goal like I don't know what it is,
but he did it at the end of the first
period last night, and then he did it towards the
end of the game with Cryder's game winning goal.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Well I know why that is, because he's really stupid.
He have the attention span of a goats, that's.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Why is that possible, but of a period.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Like I mean, it was funny though, because she Loves
played such a great game shutting out the Ranger at
the Garden for the opening night win, and since then
they've gotten like no goaltending at all. How about this, Tom,
The Rangers got shut out at MSG again last night
by Edmonton, and they're now the first team in NHL
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history to open the season being shut out three straight
times at home.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And you know, we can't.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Laugh at that too much because the Rangers came to
Pittsburgh and scored six goals on Saturday. But you know what,
you know what I'm really happy about is I hate
that goal song the Rangers that like its variation on
the hay song la la la l like it's awful.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's cities. I do hate it.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, this is also your prediction of the Rangers not
being as good as people think they're gonna be. That's
already starting to come to fruition early, and.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
No one else I hear, I hear their management has
already figured it out. They're talking about making some big
moves already, like maybe trading up Panarin or somebody like that,
that they're not a contender this year. I'm sure Sully
would be thrilled by that.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
They have to readjust they're gonna kind of get back
into kind of what the Penguins are in, kind of
stuck in that mushy middal.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
There'd be some irony there one there for coach Sullivan,
but well we all know the only reason he took
that job was to get the six point five million,
and I don't blame him.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
It's a lot of money. Highest paid coaching hockey.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
But before we move on for the Penguins, what was
your take, because we didn't get to talk about it much.
Steeler game Monday out yesterday, Conan being sent down, What
do you think of that?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Well, I didn't like scratching Brunick last night. I didn't
like sending Coyvenan down either. You can't have kids in
a rebuilding face looking over their shoulders all the time.
I also agree that you ki'd have the extra d
and the extra forwards. Like last night was the first
game for Dumba and Connor Clifton all year.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
You can't have them never play.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You gotta work him in, but don't scratch the kids,
and don't send Covin and to Wilks. That does not
help develop and mal and Airey he has a sub
stack now.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
He had a real good point. You know, could you
scratch a veteran too?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I mean, Carlson and Latang were awful, ast like just awful,
but if you scratch them, they'd be wholly hell to pay.
But if you scratch kids and don't scratch veterans, then
you still have the veterans running the team.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
I thought, and being sent down was foolish, especially after
two games. I know he wasn't playing well in those
two games, but you got to keep him up here
for a little bit longer than that, at least. Looking
play Devil's Advocate a little bit on the Brunic thing,
being scratched. Is that a sign to you that he's
here to stay for the season and maybe they're gonna
load men him throughout.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
If that's the case, I'm cool with it, But I
don't think he's a sign of anything necessarily.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
If he goes back to junior after now, five games
from now or five games, six games, I guess for
him that he'd play in, then what is the freaking
point of load management?
Speaker 2 (27:13):
I for sure don't like the way Coyvenan's being handled.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
H When Russ got healthy and they put Rust and
Riquel right back with Sid. It is part of Sid's
job to help develop the young talent, not just play
with guys who he thinks can you know, allow him
to stick to his pattern, let him be comfortable.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think Coyvenan needs to play with Sid.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't care who the other wing is, but Coyvenan
should play with him because he's a SID type of
winger if you give him more than a game.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To figure it out.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
One hundred percent, and I just figured that Coyvenan was
here for the season unless something catastrophic happened and he
was just awful and it was clear he had to
be sent down. But two games in you finally get
a healthy lineup and he's the one. I mean, why
not just scratch Charie? Like, why the obsession with him?
Although he didn't get a jersey last night, Tomasino played
for him.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, right, But I guess the thing sending a veteran down,
I guess Wilkes, there's there's a quota of veterans. You
can only have so many, and I think that's the problem.
But then the roster should have been managed better so
that problem didn't come up.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, not a good sign lately with how the youth
has been treated. And it was so exciting last week
when they opened the season and it looked like this
youth movement. I don't know, I'm probably reading too much
into it, but I think Bruni's here to stay. They're
gonna load management him and Kendall's probably going back to
junior after five games now.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I have no feel on where that's going. Okay none,
and I should, but I don't. And I have no
feel when Coyven is coming back up either.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Well, that is the biggest head scratcher to me. It's
just even if you get him off of said line,
you're right, he needs to be playing with Sid. But
say you don't want him on Sid's line, why can't
he be on the third line?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Like why why? I know, I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I don't want him playing with the with a Charie
or or I don't know, you could put him with
I guess kindall. Then again, but then a kid lined,
I'm not sure guy's that young.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
I just put him with Sid. Sid's job is to
help him that too.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Do you think that that is dubis and muse trying
to read into Sid or do you think Sid has
kind of let it known in the Sid way like
I would prefer to play with Russ and Ricou.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I think it's one of those things that Sid never
has to even hit at and it's divine they know. Yeah,
But like like I.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Just I mean, if if what can and carlst are
going to play as bad as they did last night
and just get their usual workload of minutes, then the
veterans still run the.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Team, right, Dumba has to play. You can't just have
him road on the bench. But there's nothing illegal about
Dumba sliding in for Carlson for a game, or oh.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
There's nothing m moving somebody to the left side that
shoots right.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
And they seem to show you in training camp that
he might be damn us more willing to do that right,
but he's not done it. He's not in the case
so far.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, I mean Cotterclift and big Stiff who cares wasn't
impressed Dumba played Okay, I guess, but.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
He's Mat Dumba. I mean, you know who Matt Dumba is.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, there's gonna be a lot of games like that
where the Penguins score three and the other team scores four,
where the Penguins have decent offensive output, but they just
you know, let in too many.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I will say this though, and it's way too early
to be worried about this. I can't do this. Two
win two lost, two win two lost. Thing right, either
got to have a big winning streak or gonna have
a big losing streak coming up. And it's gonna be
a losing streak, but it needs to happen so they
can kind of put them set.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I hate that cavalier stuff, like I see guys on
the Bead team saying, you know, one one lost closer
to to Gavin McKenna. First off, it's not that simple
second off. You know, it's none of your business. I mean,
don't don't talk about it sporadically and then put it
in that light when you do.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
And if you want to say to me.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well you don't care about the Steelers, I'd give anything
to not be able to talk about the Steelers anything.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I'm not that kind of guy that's like, oh, they
win a game and it's like, crap, I can't believe
we just lost out on the lottery. But I mean
I do kind of want to see the forest through
the trees here, Mark, And I don't think this team's
going very many places with that defense and goaltending this year.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I hate.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I hate losing on the day though, the especially blowing
a two goal lead. But has Eddie Johnston once said
to PR director Terry Schiffauer in the Civicarna elevator and
nineteen eighty four when Shifty was throwing a fit over
a come from a head loss, Shifty, I don't think
you're looking at the big FN picture five ninety X.
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Speaker 4 (31:27):
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five nine d X.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Double. I'm on the X Tom good News.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
I've completed my purchase of Get the Letout tickets their
annual to night residency this year January second and third
at the Palace Theater in Greensburg, Little New Year's Action.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I was gonna say rocking in the New Year's Get
the Let Out.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yep, I love doing that. It's Friday and Saturday. I've
not stayed out there yet. I usually just drive back
and forth. I should do that because Greensburg's act actually
more fun than you think, like to downtown, a lot
of places to go, like some craft breweries, one great
pizza place.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
So maybe I'll do that.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, I mean I go up there every once in
a while for training camp with the Steelers, have to
do a couple shows. It seems like a fun time Latrope.
I mean, there's things to do Greensburg, and.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I got a Penguins game coming up with Sharky's later
this month, and then details to come a residency of
a whole bunch of penguins viewing parties at Dino's in Latrop.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You're mister Greensburg coming here.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They love me and Westmoreland, Connie, Tom What do we
got for the trifecta?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
For today's trifective mark? Since we've got the Rogers Versus
Flacco game tomorrow, I'm gonna go with movie Old Timers
number three? Have you ever seen the movie Grand Tarino
and Walt Kowalski. Clint Eastwood's character, he's the best. I
love how he goats the gang too at the end
into shooting him because he reaches in for what they
think is a gun. Just light him up. It's a
(32:50):
pack of cigarettes. Fool ja.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, Clint Eastwood like he's good as a bitter anything,
bitter old man like Dirty Harry was kind of bitter.
If you want to go way back, he's just the unforgiven.
I mean, come on, Clint Eastwood can't beat him numbers.
He's still alive, right, Yes, he is. He's still functional,
got to be I think he is still functional. Got
to be close to one hundred. Gene Hackman just passed, right,
that's right?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
What was he good to number two Blue You're My
boy Blue from Old School. Nothing beats that ky jelly
wrestling scene where he just falls straight back after the
girls take their tops off.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Well, we're confident the autopsy will show it was natural causes.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
That well that I can't explain right into.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
The transition of clues. Min it's beautifully down at the funeral.
But my number one old guy in movies has to
be Mickey, Right, come on, rock I mean, he's just
the quintessential old timer.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And he had the heart attack and Rocky lied to
him about having won the fight right at.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
The end of three, Right, is that when Mickey croaked
or was it four?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
No, the middle middle middle three when when he when
he got killed when Rocky got his ass kicked by
mister t that's right, and Mickey.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Was like you in the fight, rock.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Did you like three?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Three was probably the one that fell the flattest. Five.
Five was pretty bad too with Tommy Gunn It's definitely
one is number one because it's Rocky. Yeah, then I'd
probably go four, just out of entertainment aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Then I'd go to the fact that Russia turns on
its own boxer. Yes, in a totalitarian state to root
for the America. The entire audience will be dead. They
just would have mowed him down with machine guns. They
would have let Rocky leave the ring. They wouldn't have killed.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Him well in some of the Americans, because you don't
want that getting out right to the Western He did
this to them, and then it was on as far
as they would be concerned. And then I'd go probably
two as number three, and then I'd put three at four,
and then five would be free.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
See number one is the best, Yes, okay, five was
the worst.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Tommy Gunn Rocky Balbo was kind of underrated. Oh I
forgot about those ones, like the later installments, and it.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Was okay, But uh see, I see three is really
good because he was a great heel like especially hey woman.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
And three with a real man. Three is thunderlips too
at the beginning, exactly at the beginning of the.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Exactly, So I might rank three second above four, Come on,
I might and two because of the double knock dot finish.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Oh yeah, that's just.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So class first time I saw that, you know, being
a wrestling guy and being a fan of great finishes.
When they both walked on like oh Man, double knockdown,
who get Like that's the end of like almost every
Texas depth match ever where like you have Terry Funk
at one corner, Dusty Rhoades another corner.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And Dusty just gets up before the ten cow.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Now, the relationship between Apollo and Rocky and three is
magical how they blossom into friends and they're running on
the beach together and jumping in the waves together when
they're training. And then of course that classic freeze frame
ending to close the movie out Rocky three where they
have the exhibition fight with those two together running.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
On the beach together.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
That was a choice, that's they're jumping in the waves.
It was interesting.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah yeah, But do we cut the Creed movies?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I've never seen them, but I hear.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Rocky movie, pure Rocky movie was Rocky Balboa, right.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yes, and then Creed. But see, isn't Rocky in Creed?
Like I think he's in the Creed like he's the trainer.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, so that counts, doesn't it, Like it's he's not fighting, Yeah,
he's the coach.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like in Rocky Balbo.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
He came back to fight as an old time against
the current champ because the current champ didn't have no credibility.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
See that just doesn't work for me. And I never
saw Rocky Balbo, but does that? But was it believable?
He's so old, right.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I liked Rocky as a widow, a widower handling the
death of Adri.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Is that in Rocky Balbo?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah? Yeah that yeah, because he the only thing he
had left was he owned Adrian had a restaurant, like
a Italian restaurant. He continued running it, and Spider Rico,
his opponent from Rocky One, before he got the chance
against Apolo Uh worked as a dishwasher.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I liked how the movies would progress and he would
just become more and more rich at home, Like remember
the fourth one they had like the robot that was
taking care of the kid while they were in Russia,
and he was like watching the fight on the TV.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, but in five he was broke because here's a
cotton stole everything.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
See five is a blind spot for me, because it's
so bad.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You had to move back to his old house, like
in the old neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
But the thing is that wouldn't happen because he would
have got so many, you know, commercial.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And media opportunities. Had never been broke.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I could have never expected this to lead to rocky
talk like this.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I'd rather talk about this than a freaking Steelers five
nine X.
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