October 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Mark returns from jolly old England to talk some Steelers defense sucking. Tommy Radio joins in, they also talk baseball and Penguins. Trifecta of GMJR trades.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The generation before me had the Beatles, and everybody had
a favorite Beatle. My generation at Kiss and my favorite
was Ace Frehley. He was the space Ace. He was
the cool guitar player and his songs were my favorite.
(00:22):
Ace passed away last week. I met all the guys
in Kiss. Ace was the crazy one. He was the
real one. He's gonna be missed. Eddie Trunk scheduled to
join me at four pm to talk about the life
of Ace Frehley.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's gonna be a weird opening today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You're expected to talk Steeler Steeler Steelers, but this season
is clearly headed to the mushy metal after that lost
to Cincinnati. It's the same problems, the same staleness and
weren't the Rinson repeat cycle? How can you not see it?
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The defense is one hundred percent fraudulent. Parsons coming to town.
He better than what Rogers, playing against his old team
for the first time and blah blah blah. Uh. Tom
Win talk today blame the run defense a lot. That
was kind of odd because the past defense got absolutely torched.
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Jamar Chase made Jaalen Ramsey his bitch. Tom went also
not concerned about the turf at Afroshore said he doesn't
cut his own grass. He's not sure who cuts that grass. Then,
in nearly the same breath, he talked about how Miles
Killerber's out for the season after knee surgery after an
injury caused by the turf and acrosshore, but he's not concerned.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Uh. Toronto and La are in the World Series, the
number six market against the number two market. It's been
some great baseball, like last night's Game seven of the ALCS,
and Otani's big night in the NLCS clincher was epic classic.
We'll get to the Otani game in its place in history.
(02:17):
Strike got the side, then lead off with the home
run that was just for starters. The Penguins are four
and two and host Vancouver tonight the Penguins Hall of
Fame thing a Saturday before the game at BPG E
J Scotty Artie and Ron Francis.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Penguins are four and two.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
They need to keep playing bad teams, or they need
to start playing a lot of good teams, depending on
what you think the goal of the season should be.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And here's a touchy subject.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
This Spell kid came in Spell the amazing running back
from a Keysport he decommitted from Penn State, and that's okay.
One of the top high school recruits in the country
said he was going to Penn State. Isn't now, And
I get it. Everybody who recruited him is gone. Whether
it's James Franklin, the running backs coach, they're all gone.
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But then he said, and I quote, I want to
play for a winning program unquotes. I don't know that
some high school kid should insult Penn State on his
way out the door after renigging on a commitment to them.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just a dink thing to do.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But that's what happens when you treat high school kids
like celebrities and niow money makes it even worse. Hey,
I'm a Keysport football fan. I covered Brandon Short and
Mike Logan back in the day, and this kid's spell
is great. Just don't kick a school that committed to
you when it's down and you just renigged.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Use better judgment than that. Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I want to talk about the Otanni thing. We'll talk
to Tom in just a moment about that. I read
wear this Otani game is the greatest athletic feet of
our lifetime. Three home runs, six plus scoreless innings, pitch
two hits, ten strikeouts in the clinching game of the NLCS.
But a recency bias and b it's only baseball minimum
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of actual athleticism required. And I know what you baseball
freak as theoids are gonna say, the hardest thing to
do is hit a pitch baseball. Yeah, mister Miaga used
to catch a fly with chopsticks. That was really hard,
but it didn't make him Bo Jackson. What O'tani did
was real impressive for baseball. And he ain't Babe Ruth.
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He's not Babe Ruth. Let's talk to Tommy Radio. Tom
what do you think because Otani's game for the NLCS
the greatest occurrence in recent in sports history.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't know about sports history, but you definitely have
to kind of put it in that pantheon when it
comes to baseball history, right. I mean, it is one
of the greatest games you've ever seen. And I usually
hate the knee jerk, hyperbolic reaction to something like that
when it happens real time, so I was kind of
resistant to it on Friday night, But the more I
was thinking about it, I was like ten strikeouts, three
home runs, one of them being out near the Stargell
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Star in LA. I mean, that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I thought the great thing was that he opened the
game by striking out the side.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And hit a lead off home room a home run.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Right. You tack that on to the raw numbers, the
three home runs, six scoreless innings, ten strikeouts, etc.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It is pretty awesome. What ranks up there with it
in baseball.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
As far as baseball history. I mean, it has to
be mister October's three home run performance, right, But he
didn't pitch and throw ten strikeouts on top of that. Yeah,
but that happened in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
In the in the game that won the World Yeah,
that adds did this in the fourth game of a.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Sweep exactly they were going to win that World Series?
Or excuse me that NLCS regardless of Oton having one
of the greatest performances or not. Probably that game even
without a Tawny going off like that. So I would
probably put Reggie Jackson slightly above it just because it
happened in the World Series. But Otani might hit two
home runs and throw eight strikeouts in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
In a game coming up well to me, depending on
how far back you want to go. Okay, I agree,
I would rank Reggie Jackson three home runs on top
of a great postseason for the Yankees that year. Don
Larson pitched the perfect game in nineteen fifty six, the
perfect freaking game. I would say, Dean Sanders and Bo
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Jackson has two sport athletes.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Okay, yeah, I think that's that's.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
A broader perspective, not one night Mario five goals, five ways, yes,
no doubt. Will Chamberlain one hundred points in the game, absolutely,
and OJ rushing for two thousand yards in a fourteen
game season, right like that that has been lost in
the shuffle of him getting away with a double murder.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But that's unbelievable, right, I mean, players don't do that
in a seventeen game season. And now so that pacing,
that's arguably the greatest running back season of all time.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah and uh, but again the baseball, I mean, besides
the Reggie thing and the Don Larson thing, it's tough
to come up with something.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Off the top of your head that like compares in
that sports.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean, that's hit the home run to pull the
greatest upset of all time in game seven last inning
walk off nineteen sixty year old series. But that's more
a product of circumstance, you know, and certainly clutch.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, and that's like a moment inspecific, like we're talking about.
I think a broader game like Larson was a perfect game,
just dominated from start to finish Jackson's home runs, O
Tawny's dominance. Like, I'm not belittling what Maz did, but
it was just that iconic moment in World Series history,
not like the Masarosky game where he was just start
to finish pounding the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, if it wasn't for that home run, he wouldn't
be in Hall of Fame. True, that got him in
Hall of Fame. And Don Larson was just this mediocre
pitcher who had this one unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Game, I mean, a perfect game in the World Series.
That might even be better than Reggie Jackson hitting the
three home runs perfect game if.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It happened today, he had been pulled after six or.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Seven hit You're right, I'm not kidding, Oh, you're right
about that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know. If I not, like, if I.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Had a perfect game in a World Series and they
came out to give me, I would refuse to be
with I would make them call security.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well you hit me over the head with a shovel.
You were gone over to Liverpool. When this happened in
the Jays Mariners series, did you see when Max Scherzer
was getting the start for the J's and the manager
went out to pull him before the final out and
he just was like mf ing him on the mound,
like you are not taking me out of this game.
And then Shuzer struck out the next batter and just
started lumbering off to the dugout, you know, just like
all fired up. It was awesome as a throwback. It
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was like eight and two thirds. It was a throwback.
It didn't know this was to come out like the
sixth inning or something like that, and he should have
come out after that, but he had one more batter
left and he just stared down that manager, like you
are not taking me off the mount. He belittled him,
honestly on National Palavage.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Dwake Smell did that back in twenty twenty with Tampa
against La but they took about that.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He folded and then he walked off the mound. Chars
wasn't walking off the mount. He was just Cher looks intimidating.
Blake says, like five to three, no doubt. So that
was an awesome moment in that series. Plus it's cool
that Sures are still around. That psychopath. He'll have a
moment in the World Series, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, the old tawny thing.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like, I think he's one of the best baseball players
of all time.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I don't think he's Babe Ruth I did it first.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't like true and I don't like Bath made
the game. I don't like that we're getting there with
him already, that he's one of the greatest ever to
play the sport of baseball. He's definitely on the path,
But to say he's the goat already is a little mind.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
In his overall pitching stature kind of mediocre.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, but he's still he's just a really good pitcher,
which is impressive. But you got to give it at
least another ten years, right, Like the resume has to
be built because the sport is all about numbers and
just the numbers. Wise, he's not quite there yet, but
he's on pace for it for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You think Roder Jones will tackle Aaron Rodgers this week.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I can't believe that that happened. I don't blame Jones.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
We got a sound bite later that he and Rodgers
are joking about it. Now I don't think they are.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I bet you Rogers is trying to smooth things over
as best as he can. But that raw emotion that
you saw when it happened, my god, Rogers was so
pissed off, and rightfully so. I mean there was just
a dumb, inexperienced move by a young lion.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And inexperienced, I mean dumb, like a high school kid
would be smart enough to attack any quarterback. What do
you what do you make of my my thing about
the McKeesport kid to be committed to Penn State?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I mean, Penn State is a winning program, So on
top of what you said about you don't have to
kick Penn State while they're kind of down. Like Penn
State wins ten games every year, and I don't think
that whoever they hire is going to be as good
as James Strangling. But they're not going to be six
and six at least I don't think so. They'll win
eight nine games team and.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Spell I hope I'm saying that name right. He's a
good player, by all cuts, a good kid. He just
shouldn't have said.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's his way off base there. Yeah, they win football games.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But this is what happens when we make high school
kids into stars in the celebrities.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, and what you said about the nil, it's just
it's gonna make it even more out of control. I mean,
these kids are playing now for a million dollar deals
when they're seventeen years old.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You don't need the nil. I'll give an example by
all the counts. Remember Torell pror Yes played in Ohio State,
played in the league for a while, quarterback and wide
receiver Jeanette. When he was a sophomore at Jeanette High School,
he thought he was Elvis. He already was totally insanely
out of control. That's without nil. That's just the start
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in the community bestowed on him.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I see what you're saying. It's like you're getting everything
for free and you're getting the attention anyway, who needs
the money, But now you get the money on top
of all that attention too, So it just I think
goes to the tenth degree.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Like I said, I'm not I'm not knocking this kid.
I just think that's a bad a bad move. It
was plus.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Do you think that turns off teams that are recruiting
him now or naw, they don't.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, he's like the number one kid. I mean, now
we're talking about Notre Dame. You know, here's what thing
it looks like Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's something interesting. Okay, let's say he's there for four years. Okay,
Notre Dame at Notre Dame. Who would you bet to
win more games over those four years? Notre Dame er
Penn State? I bet it's close. I don't know about that.
Notre Dame's in a really good spot right now. You
think Penn State's gonna have a hard time Bunsen back?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I do like Matt Rule is the front runner of
coach Mark. He lost to Minnesota this weekend. They're gonna
hire the guy who can't even beat Minnesota.
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Yeah, but he's the AD's buddy. One oh five ninety.
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Speaker 1 (12:42):
The Tom la press conference today was weird, I mean
more weird than usual. He talked about how bad the
Rue defense was, but was the past defense that killed him?
Nick Herbig is their best defensive player, only played twenty
seven snaps. I don't get that, Tom, and kind of
pulled the rug over that. Here's what happens all the
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time with the Steelers. Given even half a chance, they
get more conservative, which is a nice way of saying
more scared. You don't want Chase to make a big play,
so you back off and let him make sixteen catches underneath.
You don't want to turn them all over, so you
use seven offensive linemen in a Pop Warner game plan.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And the Steelers are not a physical team.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
They don't beat people up, they don't impose their will.
They never hurt a quarterback. They very rarely lay people out.
They're soft as baby crap. Every time you expect them
to not pretend they are, they are not, and yet
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you pretend, and so do they. It will not ever
change with his coach. I can absolutely guarantee you that
one million percent. Look at what happened this year. They
change their person that like crazy, and it's the same
friggin team, same method of operation, same crap going wrong
with Tomlin Narre. It'll always be that way no matter
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who the players are. Some NFL teams are about the players.
Some are about the coach. The Steelers are about the
coach to a distracting and damaging level. Let's talk to
Tommy Radio. Tom Like I said, Tomlin blamed the run
defense mostly. Why did he blame the pass defense?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I don't know why he's sheltering the pass defense from criticism.
I mean, he wasn't wrong blaming the run defense either.
They were abysmal against the worst running team in football.
They still are by far the worst running offense in
all of football, even after that amazing performance. But Ramsey
got cooked by Chase all game long, and that masks
Joey Porter Junior getting dominated by T Higgins once again, Mark,
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which is a matchup that they think in their heads
is going to work.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But it away from the never never changed, never what
Jamar Chase said, they did exactly what we expected, what
we wanted them to do.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Mr Chase said that, boy, and you know what. A
couple of years ago, a defender for the Bengals said
that about the Steelers offense. I remember saying, yeah, it's
the same thing that we expected they would do. That's
what played out on the field.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It amazes me and some of the media starting to
smarten up. But all it will take is one win
for Tomlin and he'll be a genius again. Just like
the Browns game, this team is so unbelievably poorly coached
and administered, from game plan to end game to execution.
Everything about it sucks and no one will acknowledge how
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bad it is, how far it's gone, and how it's
never going to change.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, for them to allow the Bengals to just
keep hitting them over the head with Chase in Higgins
all game long.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well underneath, underneath, they were so.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Crazy to play a Flacco. His fear of Flacco it manifested.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
We saw that at the news conference that the couple
days before.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That manifested into the performance that you saw from Joe
Flacco and to not be able to get any pressure
on him at all. And too, that's another adjustment thing,
right Mark, You got to go in and recognize, Hey,
they're gett rid of the ball super fast. How do
we adjust to that so he feels the heat? How
do we get pressure on him, but they didn't. You
know what my adjustment would have probably been, we got
to get her big out there more and we got
to use him in the past rush more because he
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gets home real fast.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But no, I guess that wasn't a good idea. Well
where are what hey we're at? Because they're not excelling,
that is for certain.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think what was having a pretty solid season, but
he's had those disappear moments.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
A solid who gives a freaking much solved, He's just
right for forty one million a year.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Here's how I break it down. I run my trip
called today. He's had two very good games.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I won't even say great, I'd say very good, two
mad games, two invisible games.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And that's the biggest problem I think to me is
that the two invisible games, how is he disappearing? He
can't be disappearing from any game. When you get that contract,
it was a mistake to give him that money though,
I mean you and I both saw it coming from
a million miles away that he wasn't going to produce
to the level that he.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Did in his existing contract. And franchise him is.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Necessary, absolutely, especially this point in his career, he's very
unlikely to get better.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And you know why they did that, seriously, because his
whining would have been unbearable.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It would have been unbearable.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He's just this bully who's gone everything he wants his
whole life, and when he doesn't, he just whines like
a bitch.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Hayward the other part of that, Heyward, he's been fine too, right,
I mean just okay, like nothing to write home about.
Better than he started this season, honestly, probably better than
he should be at this point in his career. Probably
not going to be an All Pro again like he
was last season. But he's fine. But those are your superstars.
Those are the staples of your defense. You need them
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to be more than fine, even if it's foolish to
expect that out of Cam Hayward. You're not getting it
out of Watch.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, you need you need Wat to be totally dominant
when you're getting paid, when he's getting paid, he needs
to be totally dominant.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But her bigs more games than not. But her BIG's
the one that's been totally dominant when he's been out there,
and I think that's but I think it's part of
swimming in Wat's wake too, is that it allows him
to be dominant. But it's happening and you just went
away from it. Here's another thing that they adjusted themselves,
kind of out of advantage that they've had in the defense,
putting Ramsey on Chase. Once you realize that that wasn't working.
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I know that was the idea at the beginning of
the year. Get Ramsey back in that role in the
slot where he's kind of all over the place making
plays out. But if you put him in that slot
role and he can kind of be like that little
like Swiss army knife type of player, he's making plazy
sacking quarterbacks, getting interceptions, he's he's doing a bit of everything.
He's lining up all over the place. But you took
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him out of that, you made him cover Chase and
just get torched all game long.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
They played Green Bay home, Indie home. Than at the Chargers.
You're four and two right now. It feels like they're
headed to five and four and right back in the
mushy middle, same old pattern.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It definitely feels like one and two is what they're
staring at in the I said this yesterday when Tim
was in I would lean more towards Owen three than
three and Oh. If I had to choose one of
those two ends of the spectrum, I'm more on the
side of O and three. I think they're going to
be one and two.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Mark.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Last year you dubbed that stretch the death stretches, this
death stretch, Junior. These three teams coming up.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, here here's the thing. I don't know if green
Bay can score a ton of points.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think they win this one. The Steelers this one
coming up.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I don't think green Bay can scored a ton
of points.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
But green Bay's defense is physical, yes, so I could
see I could see them just hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I could see what if green Bay hurt.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Rodgers this is that'd be amazing. Honestly, as far as
the narrative is concerned. Not I don't want to wish
injury on anybody as far as you know out there,
but it wouldn't It would be amazing if that happened.
I don't want to take that back. But it just
kind of this is terrible analysis. It just kind of
feels like a Steelers win, right, Like that's just kind
of what they do. They lay an egg against the Bengals,
then they'll bounce back on Sunday Night Football against the
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package team.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I feel more comfortable conjecturing about the big picture, which
is one and two over the.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Next three, and I think that just the path of
that is they win this one, everybody's riding high. Then
Danny Dimes comes into town and the Colts shove it
up their backside, and then they go out to LA and
lose that game.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Colts score so many points.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You can't ignore them being a Super Bowl contender anymore
at this point, Indy, I mean, they're just that good.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, they have a PR spokesman on ESPN and Jeff Saturday,
it's true, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm green.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'm gonna said, well, now that you're not coaching him,
I think I think they got a shot be a
great line.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I don't think that they need the PR spokesperson though,
Like you said, they just they average more points than
anybody in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
They plays to show with JACKIM always said it matters
where you're at, like Danny Dimes with Shane steik In,
a really good offensive coach and better talent.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He's a legit quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Without question, and I don't think he'd ever win the MVP,
but he should probably be in consideration as one of
the front runners right now, although that's more of a
team thing than it is a Danny will.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Rogers handle playing against Green Bay for the first time.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think he'll handle it like a pro in the
week leading up.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You mean in terms of what he says, Yeah, I
think what about what about internally? What about mental internally?
I think he really wants to win this football game, yea,
because he's he's a stone narcissist and he's going to
make this.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
All about him, at least to himself.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
And I think he's got a line or two that
he's workshopped or his work shopping for post game if
he does get the win. Just like you remember he
threw that little dig at the Jets after being very
good all week leading into that game, then he threw
it on them after he wanted the podium. I bet
you he's got a couple of things that he's workshopping
right now for a dig.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I think Aaron proved a lock by insulting the Jets
after a game the Steelers probably should have lost.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Who can have urge as a weapon for the Steelers
because somebody got to And I hear all this crap
about that going to trade for this guy. Good at
trade for that guy who's the latest receiver.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Now there's so many late receivers. I mean, I know
Jacobe Meyer's back on the markets. Oh, Tyler Lockett, the
one who got released by the Titans or they just
granted his They should get a guy who's he's a
washed up bomb. Yeah, you don't want Tyler Lockett at
this point. To answer your question, no one on this
team currently, I think is going to step up for them.
They have to go out and get somebody, Okay, but
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that's there. Then they're stuck because no one else is
going to step up as a weapon. I don't think
Friarmouth is going to become a consistent thing like he
was against Cincinnati five catches.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yards.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't think it, but not because of what he
could do. I just don't think the team's gonna lean
into him, just like how they always seem to, Okay,
something work. Let's get away from that real quick, like.
I don't think he'll have a big role against the
Packers and then they'll blame it on well, the matchup
just wasn't specific for fire.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Myth Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight. Our Carsino obviously goal for Pittsburgh.
We'll talk hockey in a moment here on one O
five to nine.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
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Our coverage starts at six here every game, and the
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Speaker 4 (22:36):
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Speaker 1 (22:43):
Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight at PPG Paints Serena. Penguins are
four and two and here's what I like about them
so far. Sid and Gino are to the top. They
are red hot, but it ain't just about them scoring.
It's mostly about the structure that Dan Muse has imbued
the team with. It far exceeds anything we've seen with
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the Penguins for years. So Muse is good and I
like watching the kids develop. Brunic and Kindle. I hope
they both stayed, but I'm not sure that's the right decision.
I don't think Brunick can benefit by going back to junior,
but he needs to mature physically, as does Kindall.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't know. I mean the Penguins success being foreigned to.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think they're mostly beating bad teams or a good
team like the La Kings having a bad night. Manth
has been okay.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I guess Brawsers is starting to where out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think he's not a top six You know what
you got with Rust and Raquel Shann Watherspoon, don't suck
Carlson Latang mostly want to still play like their Carlson
and Latang. The goaltending is rotten. It will be the
biggest part of their undoing. I did not expect the
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form to start, which is likely skewing my evaluation. I'd
feel more comfortable with lou and Gottius coach like in
eighty four, then I do Dan muse, let's talk to
Tom Offerman, Tom Can Maal can Acrossby keep producing. They've
done very well so far, not just the points, not
just the production, but consistently producing opportunities.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I don't think there's any doubt that said can keep
doing it. It's Gino. He's the one that I'm looking
at and wondering can he keep producing? And I actually
just looked this up. Through five games last year, Mark
he had eleven points Gino, so he started out insanely hot.
Last season two, and then as the season wore on,
he started to fade a little bit, those legs started
to get a little heavy. I can't help but think
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that that's probably how this season is going to end
up playing out again. But he gets a nice little
shot in the arm at the start of the season,
he'll have an entire month off for the Olympics. Maybe
he gets a nice shot in the arm in the
second half of the season and have a pretty nice
end of his end of his career with the Penguins
this year.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, but I think he wants to stay, and that's
a problem that got to be dealt with at some
point because that'd be a tough goodbye. But they well
they should have done it years ago. It's a non
dynamic with the Penguin structure.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Not start.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I'm not beyond sinding Gino. But the big question is
would you keep Brunick and Kindle. They've each played five games,
There's four more to burn before that decision has to
be made between the NHL and junior A.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, you know, I mean the way that they're going
about with this load management thing, and they both gave
them a game off that kind of I'm reading the
tea leaves too much here, but it would indicate you'd
think that they'd keep them and that that would be
like the plan all year long, and that was what
would be best for their development. Otherwise, why wouldn't you
just let him play the nine games and then send
him back to Junior. I don't know, Brunick, I think
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for sure should stay. I think he's NHL ready. I
don't know if Junior can do anything for him anymore.
Kindall more on the fence with I wouldn't be heartbroken
if they sent Kendall back.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well, if I kept Kindle, I'd have to give him
some top six minutes or better line mates and even
some power play time. I don't want to teach Kendall
to be a third liner, and if he's just gonna
stay here and play third fourth line role in minutes,
then I would definitely send him back. It would depend
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for me as much on what role Musing tends to
use him in, as opposed to does he need to
physically develop. One thing I would do is I would
play Kindle on the line with Sid. Yeah you said that,
not every game, but I'd do it. I might do it,
you know a half or a third of the time,
because I think Kendall thinks the game like Sid. But Sid,
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I mean not that he would not that he would
disrespect Kendall. He wants no part of that, as we
see by Rust and Raquel just topping right on the
wing when they're both right.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right, and Coyvenen going right back down to Wilkes where
he's still at Wilkes and hasn't come back to the Penguins,
And I just think that's a mistake. That guy's ready
for the NHL. It's time to sink or swim with him,
and I want it to happen on sids line.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
There is no glory to be had by getting the
last playoff.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Spot, No there is not. So I don't know why
Covenon's still buried down there, but I like your point
with Kendall and playing him on the wing some, whether
it's half or a third of the time, or why
not even you know, maybe for the last two games,
last three games of his stint in the NHL, you
throw him on Sid's wing, just to see how that looks.
I think it's worth the experiment. Well, I always go.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Back to Alexa morozof this Russian kid who was a
first round pick for the pen was in nineteen ninety
five monster offensive talent, and they played him in the
bottom six here in Pittsburgh until he believed he was
a bottom six until he became a Chip and Chase player,
used to score on Prador like Crazy, the legendary New
Jersey goalie, but pretty much nobody else. And then after
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the lockott he didn't come back to North America. He
played in the KHL and won some scoring titles and
MVPs over there, and that ain't the NHL, but it
ain't chopped to live for either, and he was ruined
by the way they used him.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And one thing that the Penguins don't have a lot of,
if any of, in their farm system right now, is legitimate,
nailed on top six potential star talents. Any You don't
think Kendall could become that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think Kendall ceiling is a is a second line
center who gets like twenty goals forty assists per years.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yes, that's not really a star per se. It's a
very good player on a team that could win a
lot of games, help contribute to winning, like Brunick's probably
their biggest star right now. He's defense. So it's not,
you know, fitting into this mold that we're talking about.
But I don't know, I just I'm kind of going
along the lines of what you were saying with you
don't want to ruin somebody like Kendo, who we don't
think is going to be a star. But maybe the
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closest thing you have as far as a forward is concerned.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Upside into having brawsers and Mantha be top six forwards
indefinitely and Kendall.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Not well, I mean Mantha, yeah, I mean he's already
become what he's going to be at the NHL level
and brass. It's nice to see him be a late bloomer,
but that's a bottoms. Just flip Kendle and browsers around.
Put Kendall on browsers.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Ain't ain't a late bloomer. He's a bum having a
hot streak is what he is. A Penguin lifer told
me this morning, Tom that Tristan Jari is the worst
Penguin goaltender ever, and that he plays good when you
need him to play bad, and he plays bad when
he needed to play good.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's pretty true. He's a bizarre penguin like he's second
now all time in shutouts in franchise history with Tom
Barrasso with his twenty second shutout against the Sharks. And
he does have those moments of brilliance. Has your friend
put it often in times that you don't want him
to have those moments of brilliance, but then he just
has those unbelievable You'll never forget the Islander series, and
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that's seared in your brain, the gaff he made their
first shot, first goal. How much that just became a
trend with him. You'll never be able to get that
out of your head. What a weird penguin he has been.
I mean, he's been the netminder for almost half a
decade now.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Seems a lot longer. Actually it's a bit lower. Yeah,
a bit longer than that. Here's a couple weird NHL
stats right now. Tom Connor McDavid zero goals in six games,
seven points, all helpers. But he's too young to hit
a wall. I'm gonna lost to explain why he might
be slumping.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Is it potentially he's just not shooting enough, Like sometimes
I remember said when he was in his he never
shoots enough. Do you remember? Sometimes it's sitting in his
prime would kind of go cold shooting. He would defer, sometimes,
not as much as McDavid because Sid has that can.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I haven't seen McDavid slump enough to venture a guess,
but since one of the few players I've ever seen
who when he's slumping, does not try to shoot his
way out of it. Most players just shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot,
shoot till it goes in.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I thought that was a big problem with the Oilers
in the Stanley Cup last year and some of the
playoffs last year too. Is McDavid deferred too much just
he did to create his own shots, just start dominating
the game himself. So that's curious to see him struggling.
Oilers are not struggling though, even though he hasn't found
the net. They look pretty good already.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well, McDavid, we'll be fine now.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
The one I'm wondered about is Alex Ovechkin one goal
in six games. I've seen them play three games, and
he looks slow. He looks slow, and he's not too
young to hit a wall. He's just not dynamic like
he has to be to produce.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
And is he in it anymore?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Is the heart's still there? With a after actually breaking
the record and having that offseason and putting the feet
back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I don't question.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I don't think a thousand goals is really something that
he wants, Like, I who am I to speak for him?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But he's just shine nine hundred now, yeah, I don't
know if he've used that when I see him play. Now,
I know he's not going to get to with Thoson.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I wonder if he just has lost the motivation catboys
like he.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Would have to get to a thosand he'd have to
like score realistically thirty a year for plus for three more.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
It's not gonna happen. It's not going to happen. He'll
get to his nine hundred this year. I wonder if
he hangs it up after this season, though, because he
does look real slow.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I really believe Sid will be the last man standing,
that he will keep averaging a point per.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Game, even as guys like Covets can fade.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's hard for me to say no because you just
keep seeing it happen over injury again, correct, but let's
pretend that that doesn't exist as a variable. I mean,
he just keeps coming year after year. His conditioning is
next to none. He's he's still not as fast as
like the McDavid's and the mckinnons of the world, but
he keep up with them two hundred feet.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And you know what big disadvantage Sid's had. He's never
got to play against Tristan Jari. The pregame show brought
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
They got your back, not your wallet, Tom, What do
we got for the trifecta?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, since the Canucks are in town tonight, Mark Gmjr.
Is coming to town as he's president of Hockey Operator.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
We know he's coming.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't know if he's here or not, but his
team is going to be in town.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I not I have not received confirmation or denial.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I have my three favorite gm jr. Trades when he
was Penguin's general manager. One and two are really easy,
so I'll start actually there today. Number one is Kessel
for Kapaanan and a bunch of other players involved in
picks in that trade as well. Number two, I believe
this was actually the first trade that gmgr made Patrick
Hornquist for James Neil. He also got Nick Spawling in
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that deal, who he then sent to Toronto for Phil
Kessel in the first deal I mentioned. Three is where
it was a little bit harder to narrow down. I
bet a lot of people would lean towards Justin Schultz
for a third round pick from Edmonton. I'm gonna go
with Carl Haglan, though for David Perron in a pick
because I loved Haglin. The speed that he brought to
the game, I think really personified that era of speed
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for the Penguins. He was just one of my you know,
you know, you always have those favorite players that aren't stars.
Hagland fits in that mold for me.
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Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, I'd agree with those. Uh. But first off, I
think we underestimate the job Jim did here is GM.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
He was amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Maybe maybe we don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean, like I I think the trades he made
I forget the order. But within a relatively brief span
he got Kessel, Hagwin, Schultz, Dally and Benino totally transformed
the team. It made the Penguins into the fastest team
in hockey, made them into Stanley Cup champions. Did know,
with not getting stars, it's tough to change the complexion
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of a team, but only one star caliber player came in.
That was Phil and made the rest of the league
scramble to adapt to the Penguins. It became a speed
league because of the way Jim changed the Penguins roster.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I feel like the narrative on Jim got a little
bit skewed towards the end too, because he did make
some bad moves towards the end and the team wasn't
the contender that it was. But how do you criticize
him too much when he delivered you back to back
Stanley Cups and like you just illustrated moves that he made,
overhauls that he did to this roster directly led it
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to winning those Cups. It's not like he just got
a GM job with Sid and Gino as your cornerstones
and just kind of made one move that put them
over the top. I mean it was completely ripping up
the floorboards, starting with that Neil for Hornquist trade. I mean,
Neil was a popular player, a tough player to trade,
but he wasn't the right player for the Penguins.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Horney definitely was well. Jim didn't play fantasy hockey. Jim
looked for winning players, and Patrick Hornquist was a winning player.
He was more needed for what the Penguins lacked as
opposed to Nieler, who was a good player but just
one of many who played that way.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
With that team.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
He made some good trades later on, too, like the
Zoocker trade was a good trade, like Zucker was a
solid player for the Penguins, his trade for Galchenyak.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Trades Jim, he just didn't crap at the wall to
see what would stick. And I don't criticize it for that.
If he made a mistake, could do his best to
fix it, which a lot of gms don't do, a
lot of gms don't want to admit a mistake. What
on confirmed that one was made by trying to fix it?
What do you think the biggest swing in a miss
was for him? Was Bisard in that twenty eighteen season.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, but I got it. I didn't mind it.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I never dreamed that Derek Pissard would be as big
of an a hole that he turned out to be
a guy who really thought that we had Sid and Gino.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But he shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
The third line center, right, He would say point blank
the people, I've always been a top six center.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
How do you not have the self awareness? And because
it would be beneficial to have that self awareness if
you're a bissard. Being a third line center on the
Pittsburgh Penguins is different from being a third line center
on like the Arizona Coyotes. Dude, okay, like people would
understand that you're not exactly the typical third line center.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I remember when Craig Patrick got Ronnie Francis in ninety one,
and he came in the first meeting between him and
Badger Bob. Bob said, listen, you've been a first line
center your whole career. We got a guy here named Lemieux,
you're the second line center. And Ronnie said, okay, let's go.
And really that Ronnie did so well, and Ronnie's a
really smart guy. Operating in Mario's wake, you know what
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I mean that it made him such a much better
player and more productive.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
How many players do you think coaches just assume won't
like decisions like that, so they don't even bring it
up to them, but would be fine with it if
you did, just have the conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Bizard wasn't one oh five ninety x
The generation before me had the Beatles, and everybody had
a favorite Beatle. My generation at Kiss and my favorite
was Ace Frehley. He was the space Ace. He was
the cool guitar player and his songs were my favorite.
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Ace passed away last week. I met all the guys
in Kiss. Ace was the crazy one. He was the
real one. He's gonna be missed. Eddie Trunk scheduled to
join me at four pm to talk about the life
of Ace Frehley.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's gonna be a weird opening today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You're expected to talk Steeler Steeler Steelers, but this season
is clearly headed to the mushy metal after that lost
to Cincinnati. It's the same problems, the same staleness and
weren't the Rinson repeat cycle? How can you not see it?
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The defense is one hundred percent fraudulent. Parsons coming to town.
He better than what Rogers, playing against his old team
for the first time and blah blah blah. Uh. Tom
Win talk today blame the run defense a lot. That
was kind of odd because the past defense got absolutely torched.
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Jamar Chase made Jaalen Ramsey his bitch. Tom went also
not concerned about the turf at Afroshore said he doesn't
cut his own grass. He's not sure who cuts that grass. Then,
in nearly the same breath, he talked about how Miles
Killerber's out for the season after knee surgery after an
injury caused by the turf and acrosshore, but he's not concerned.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
No big deal.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Uh. Toronto and La are in the World Series, the
number six market against the number two market. It's been
some great baseball, like last night's Game seven of the ALCS,
and Otani's big night in the NLCS clincher was epic classic.
We'll get to the Otani game in its place in history.
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Strike got the side, then lead off with the home
run that was just for starters. The Penguins are four
and two and host Vancouver tonight the Penguins Hall of
Fame thing a Saturday before the game at BPG E
J Scotty Artie and Ron Francis.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Penguins are four and two.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
They need to keep playing bad teams, or they need
to start playing a lot of good teams, depending on
what you think the goal of the season should be.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And here's a touchy subject.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
This Spell kid came in Spell the amazing running back
from a Keysport he decommitted from Penn State, and that's okay.
One of the top high school recruits in the country
said he was going to Penn State. Isn't now, And
I get it. Everybody who recruited him is gone. Whether
it's James Franklin, the running backs coach, they're all gone.
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But then he said, and I quote, I want to
play for a winning program unquotes. I don't know that
some high school kid should insult Penn State on his
way out the door after renigging on a commitment to them.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just a dink thing to do.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But that's what happens when you treat high school kids
like celebrities and niow money makes it even worse. Hey,
I'm a Keysport football fan. I covered Brandon Short and
Mike Logan back in the day, and this kid's spell
is great. Just don't kick a school that committed to
you when it's down and you just renigged.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Use better judgment than that. Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I want to talk about the Otanni thing. We'll talk
to Tom in just a moment about that. I read
wear this Otani game is the greatest athletic feet of
our lifetime. Three home runs, six plus scoreless innings, pitch
two hits, ten strikeouts in the clinching game of the NLCS.
But a recency bias and b it's only baseball minimum
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of actual athleticism required. And I know what you baseball
freak as theoids are gonna say, the hardest thing to
do is hit a pitch baseball. Yeah, mister Miaga used
to catch a fly with chopsticks. That was really hard,
but it didn't make him Bo Jackson. What O'tani did
was real impressive for baseball. And he ain't Babe Ruth.
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He's not Babe Ruth. Let's talk to Tommy Radio. Tom
what do you think because Otani's game for the NLCS
the greatest occurrence in recent in sports history.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't know about sports history, but you definitely have
to kind of put it in that pantheon when it
comes to baseball history, right. I mean, it is one
of the greatest games you've ever seen. And I usually
hate the knee jerk, hyperbolic reaction to something like that
when it happens real time, so I was kind of
resistant to it on Friday night, But the more I
was thinking about it, I was like ten strikeouts, three
home runs, one of them being out near the Stargell
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Star in LA. I mean, that is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I thought the great thing was that he opened the
game by striking out the side.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And hit a lead off home room a home run.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Right. You tack that on to the raw numbers, the
three home runs, six scoreless innings, ten strikeouts, etc.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It is pretty awesome. What ranks up there with it
in baseball.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
As far as baseball history. I mean, it has to
be mister October's three home run performance, right, But he
didn't pitch and throw ten strikeouts on top of that. Yeah,
but that happened in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
In the in the game that won the World Yeah,
that adds did this in the fourth game of a.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Sweep exactly they were going to win that World Series?
Or excuse me that NLCS regardless of Oton having one
of the greatest performances or not. Probably that game even
without a Tawny going off like that. So I would
probably put Reggie Jackson slightly above it just because it
happened in the World Series. But Otani might hit two
home runs and throw eight strikeouts in the World Series.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
In a game coming up well to me, depending on
how far back you want to go. Okay, I agree,
I would rank Reggie Jackson three home runs on top
of a great postseason for the Yankees that year. Don
Larson pitched the perfect game in nineteen fifty six, the
perfect freaking game. I would say, Dean Sanders and Bo
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Jackson has two sport athletes.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Okay, yeah, I think that's that's.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
A broader perspective, not one night Mario five goals, five ways, yes,
no doubt. Will Chamberlain one hundred points in the game, absolutely,
and OJ rushing for two thousand yards in a fourteen
game season, right like that that has been lost in
the shuffle of him getting away with a double murder.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
But that's unbelievable, right, I mean, players don't do that
in a seventeen game season. And now so that pacing,
that's arguably the greatest running back season of all time.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah and uh, but again the baseball, I mean, besides
the Reggie thing and the Don Larson thing, it's tough
to come up with something.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Off the top of your head that like compares in
that sports.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I mean, that's hit the home run to pull the
greatest upset of all time in game seven last inning
walk off nineteen sixty year old series. But that's more
a product of circumstance, you know, and certainly clutch.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, and that's like a moment inspecific, like we're talking about.
I think a broader game like Larson was a perfect game,
just dominated from start to finish Jackson's home runs, O
Tawny's dominance. Like, I'm not belittling what Maz did, but
it was just that iconic moment in World Series history,
not like the Masarosky game where he was just start
to finish pounding the Yankees.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, if it wasn't for that home run, he wouldn't
be in Hall of Fame. True, that got him in
Hall of Fame. And Don Larson was just this mediocre
pitcher who had this one unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Game, I mean, a perfect game in the World Series.
That might even be better than Reggie Jackson hitting the
three home runs perfect game if.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
It happened today, he had been pulled after six or.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Seven hit You're right, I'm not kidding, Oh, you're right
about that.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
You know. If I not, like, if I.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Had a perfect game in a World Series and they
came out to give me, I would refuse to be
with I would make them call security.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Well you hit me over the head with a shovel.
You were gone over to Liverpool. When this happened in
the Jays Mariners series, did you see when Max Scherzer
was getting the start for the J's and the manager
went out to pull him before the final out and
he just was like mf ing him on the mound,
like you are not taking me out of this game.
And then Shuzer struck out the next batter and just
started lumbering off to the dugout, you know, just like
all fired up. It was awesome as a throwback. It
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was like eight and two thirds. It was a throwback.
It didn't know this was to come out like the
sixth inning or something like that, and he should have
come out after that, but he had one more batter
left and he just stared down that manager, like you
are not taking me off the mount. He belittled him,
honestly on National Palavage.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Dwake Smell did that back in twenty twenty with Tampa
against La but they took about that.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He folded and then he walked off the mound. Chars
wasn't walking off the mount. He was just Cher looks intimidating.
Blake says, like five to three, no doubt. So that
was an awesome moment in that series. Plus it's cool
that Sures are still around. That psychopath. He'll have a
moment in the World Series, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well, the old tawny thing.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like, I think he's one of the best baseball players
of all time.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I don't think he's Babe Ruth I did it first.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't like true and I don't like Bath made
the game. I don't like that we're getting there with
him already, that he's one of the greatest ever to
play the sport of baseball. He's definitely on the path,
But to say he's the goat already is a little mind.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
In his overall pitching stature kind of mediocre.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, but he's still he's just a really good pitcher,
which is impressive. But you got to give it at
least another ten years, right, Like the resume has to
be built because the sport is all about numbers and
just the numbers. Wise, he's not quite there yet, but
he's on pace for it for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
You think Roder Jones will tackle Aaron Rodgers this week.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I can't believe that that happened. I don't blame Jones.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
We got a sound bite later that he and Rodgers
are joking about it. Now I don't think they are.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I bet you Rogers is trying to smooth things over
as best as he can. But that raw emotion that
you saw when it happened, my god, Rogers was so
pissed off, and rightfully so. I mean there was just
a dumb, inexperienced move by a young lion.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And inexperienced, I mean dumb, like a high school kid
would be smart enough to attack any quarterback. What do
you what do you make of my my thing about
the McKeesport kid to be committed to Penn State?
Speaker 3 (10:25):
I mean, Penn State is a winning program, So on
top of what you said about you don't have to
kick Penn State while they're kind of down. Like Penn
State wins ten games every year, and I don't think
that whoever they hire is going to be as good
as James Strangling. But they're not going to be six
and six at least I don't think so. They'll win
eight nine games team and.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Spell I hope I'm saying that name right. He's a
good player, by all cuts, a good kid. He just
shouldn't have said.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's his way off base there. Yeah, they win football games.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
But this is what happens when we make high school
kids into stars in the celebrities.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, and what you said about the nil, it's just
it's gonna make it even more out of control. I mean,
these kids are playing now for a million dollar deals
when they're seventeen years old.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You don't need the nil. I'll give an example by
all the counts. Remember Torell pror Yes played in Ohio State,
played in the league for a while, quarterback and wide
receiver Jeanette. When he was a sophomore at Jeanette High School,
he thought he was Elvis. He already was totally insanely
out of control. That's without nil. That's just the start
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in the community bestowed on him.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I see what you're saying. It's like you're getting everything
for free and you're getting the attention anyway, who needs
the money, But now you get the money on top
of all that attention too, So it just I think
goes to the tenth degree.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Like I said, I'm not I'm not knocking this kid.
I just think that's a bad a bad move. It
was plus.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Do you think that turns off teams that are recruiting
him now or naw, they don't.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, he's like the number one kid. I mean, now
we're talking about Notre Dame. You know, here's what thing
it looks like Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's something interesting. Okay, let's say he's there for four years. Okay,
Notre Dame at Notre Dame. Who would you bet to
win more games over those four years? Notre Dame er
Penn State? I bet it's close. I don't know about that.
Notre Dame's in a really good spot right now. You
think Penn State's gonna have a hard time Bunsen back?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I do like Matt Rule is the front runner of
coach Mark. He lost to Minnesota this weekend. They're gonna
hire the guy who can't even beat Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, but he's the AD's buddy. One oh five ninety.
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Speaker 1 (12:42):
The Tom la press conference today was weird, I mean
more weird than usual. He talked about how bad the
Rue defense was, but was the past defense that killed him?
Nick Herbig is their best defensive player, only played twenty
seven snaps. I don't get that, Tom, and kind of
pulled the rug over that. Here's what happens all the
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time with the Steelers. Given even half a chance, they
get more conservative, which is a nice way of saying
more scared. You don't want Chase to make a big play,
so you back off and let him make sixteen catches underneath.
You don't want to turn them all over, so you
use seven offensive linemen in a Pop Warner game plan.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
And the Steelers are not a physical team.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
They don't beat people up, they don't impose their will.
They never hurt a quarterback. They very rarely lay people out.
They're soft as baby crap. Every time you expect them
to not pretend they are, they are not, and yet
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you pretend, and so do they. It will not ever
change with his coach. I can absolutely guarantee you that
one million percent. Look at what happened this year. They
change their person that like crazy, and it's the same
friggin team, same method of operation, same crap going wrong
with Tomlin Narre. It'll always be that way no matter
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who the players are. Some NFL teams are about the players.
Some are about the coach. The Steelers are about the
coach to a distracting and damaging level. Let's talk to
Tommy Radio. Tom Like I said, Tomlin blamed the run
defense mostly. Why did he blame the pass defense?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I don't know why he's sheltering the pass defense from criticism.
I mean, he wasn't wrong blaming the run defense either.
They were abysmal against the worst running team in football.
They still are by far the worst running offense in
all of football, even after that amazing performance. But Ramsey
got cooked by Chase all game long, and that masks
Joey Porter Junior getting dominated by T Higgins once again, Mark,
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which is a matchup that they think in their heads
is going to work.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But it away from the never never changed, never what
Jamar Chase said, they did exactly what we expected, what
we wanted them to do.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Mr Chase said that, boy, and you know what. A
couple of years ago, a defender for the Bengals said
that about the Steelers offense. I remember saying, yeah, it's
the same thing that we expected they would do. That's
what played out on the field.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It amazes me and some of the media starting to
smarten up. But all it will take is one win
for Tomlin and he'll be a genius again. Just like
the Browns game, this team is so unbelievably poorly coached
and administered, from game plan to end game to execution.
Everything about it sucks and no one will acknowledge how
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bad it is, how far it's gone, and how it's
never going to change.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, for them to allow the Bengals to just
keep hitting them over the head with Chase in Higgins
all game long.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well underneath, underneath, they were so.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Crazy to play a Flacco. His fear of Flacco it manifested.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
We saw that at the news conference that the couple
days before.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
That manifested into the performance that you saw from Joe
Flacco and to not be able to get any pressure
on him at all. And too, that's another adjustment thing,
right Mark, You got to go in and recognize, Hey,
they're gett rid of the ball super fast. How do
we adjust to that so he feels the heat? How
do we get pressure on him, but they didn't. You
know what my adjustment would have probably been, we got
to get her big out there more and we got
to use him in the past rush more because he
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gets home real fast.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
But no, I guess that wasn't a good idea. Well
where are what hey we're at? Because they're not excelling,
that is for certain.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think what was having a pretty solid season, but
he's had those disappear moments.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
A solid who gives a freaking much solved, He's just
right for forty one million a year.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Here's how I break it down. I run my trip
called today. He's had two very good games.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I won't even say great, I'd say very good, two
mad games, two invisible games.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And that's the biggest problem I think to me is
that the two invisible games, how is he disappearing? He
can't be disappearing from any game. When you get that contract,
it was a mistake to give him that money though,
I mean you and I both saw it coming from
a million miles away that he wasn't going to produce
to the level that he.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Did in his existing contract. And franchise him is.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Necessary, absolutely, especially this point in his career, he's very
unlikely to get better.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
And you know why they did that, seriously, because his
whining would have been unbearable.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It would have been unbearable.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He's just this bully who's gone everything he wants his
whole life, and when he doesn't, he just whines like
a bitch.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Hayward the other part of that, Heyward, he's been fine too, right,
I mean just okay, like nothing to write home about.
Better than he started this season, honestly, probably better than
he should be at this point in his career. Probably
not going to be an All Pro again like he
was last season. But he's fine. But those are your superstars.
Those are the staples of your defense. You need them
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to be more than fine, even if it's foolish to
expect that out of Cam Hayward. You're not getting it
out of Watch.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
No, you need you need Wat to be totally dominant
when you're getting paid, when he's getting paid, he needs
to be totally dominant.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But her bigs more games than not. But her BIG's
the one that's been totally dominant when he's been out there,
and I think that's but I think it's part of
swimming in Wat's wake too, is that it allows him
to be dominant. But it's happening and you just went
away from it. Here's another thing that they adjusted themselves,
kind of out of advantage that they've had in the defense,
putting Ramsey on Chase. Once you realize that that wasn't working.
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I know that was the idea at the beginning of
the year. Get Ramsey back in that role in the
slot where he's kind of all over the place making
plays out. But if you put him in that slot
role and he can kind of be like that little
like Swiss army knife type of player, he's making plazy
sacking quarterbacks, getting interceptions, he's he's doing a bit of everything.
He's lining up all over the place. But you took
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him out of that, you made him cover Chase and
just get torched all game long.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
They played Green Bay home, Indie home. Than at the Chargers.
You're four and two right now. It feels like they're
headed to five and four and right back in the
mushy middle, same old pattern.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It definitely feels like one and two is what they're
staring at in the I said this yesterday when Tim
was in I would lean more towards Owen three than
three and Oh. If I had to choose one of
those two ends of the spectrum, I'm more on the
side of O and three. I think they're going to
be one and two.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Mark.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Last year you dubbed that stretch the death stretches, this
death stretch, Junior. These three teams coming up.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Well, here here's the thing. I don't know if green
Bay can score a ton of points.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I think they win this one. The Steelers this one
coming up.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I don't think green Bay can scored a ton
of points.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
But green Bay's defense is physical, yes, so I could
see I could see them just hurt.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I could see what if green Bay hurt.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Rodgers this is that'd be amazing. Honestly, as far as
the narrative is concerned. Not I don't want to wish
injury on anybody as far as you know out there,
but it wouldn't It would be amazing if that happened.
I don't want to take that back. But it just
kind of this is terrible analysis. It just kind of
feels like a Steelers win, right, Like that's just kind
of what they do. They lay an egg against the Bengals,
then they'll bounce back on Sunday Night Football against the
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package team.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I feel more comfortable conjecturing about the big picture, which
is one and two over the.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Next three, and I think that just the path of
that is they win this one, everybody's riding high. Then
Danny Dimes comes into town and the Colts shove it
up their backside, and then they go out to LA and
lose that game.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Colts score so many points.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
You can't ignore them being a Super Bowl contender anymore
at this point, Indy, I mean, they're just that good.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Well, they have a PR spokesman on ESPN and Jeff Saturday,
it's true, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I'm green.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'm gonna said, well, now that you're not coaching him,
I think I think they got a shot be a
great line.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I don't think that they need the PR spokesperson though,
Like you said, they just they average more points than
anybody in the league.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
They plays to show with JACKIM always said it matters
where you're at, like Danny Dimes with Shane steik In,
a really good offensive coach and better talent.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
He's a legit quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Without question, and I don't think he'd ever win the MVP,
but he should probably be in consideration as one of
the front runners right now, although that's more of a
team thing than it is a Danny will.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Rogers handle playing against Green Bay for the first time.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I think he'll handle it like a pro in the
week leading up.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You mean in terms of what he says, Yeah, I
think what about what about internally? What about mental internally?
I think he really wants to win this football game, yea,
because he's he's a stone narcissist and he's going to
make this.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
All about him, at least to himself.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
And I think he's got a line or two that
he's workshopped or his work shopping for post game if
he does get the win. Just like you remember he
threw that little dig at the Jets after being very
good all week leading into that game, then he threw
it on them after he wanted the podium. I bet
you he's got a couple of things that he's workshopping
right now for a dig.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I think Aaron proved a lock by insulting the Jets
after a game the Steelers probably should have lost.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Who can have urge as a weapon for the Steelers
because somebody got to And I hear all this crap
about that going to trade for this guy. Good at
trade for that guy who's the latest receiver.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Now there's so many late receivers. I mean, I know
Jacobe Meyer's back on the markets. Oh, Tyler Lockett, the
one who got released by the Titans or they just
granted his They should get a guy who's he's a
washed up bomb. Yeah, you don't want Tyler Lockett at
this point. To answer your question, no one on this
team currently, I think is going to step up for them.
They have to go out and get somebody, Okay, but
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that's there. Then they're stuck because no one else is
going to step up as a weapon. I don't think
Friarmouth is going to become a consistent thing like he
was against Cincinnati five catches.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yards.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I don't think it, but not because of what he
could do. I just don't think the team's gonna lean
into him, just like how they always seem to, Okay,
something work. Let's get away from that real quick, like.
I don't think he'll have a big role against the
Packers and then they'll blame it on well, the matchup
just wasn't specific for fire.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Myth Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight. Our Carsino obviously goal for Pittsburgh.
We'll talk hockey in a moment here on one O
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Speaker 5 (22:22):
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Our coverage starts at six here every game, and the
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Speaker 4 (22:36):
And Tom up for men on one Fine VX.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Penguins hosting Vancouver tonight at PPG Paints Serena. Penguins are
four and two and here's what I like about them
so far. Sid and Gino are to the top. They
are red hot, but it ain't just about them scoring.
It's mostly about the structure that Dan Muse has imbued
the team with. It far exceeds anything we've seen with
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the Penguins for years. So Muse is good and I
like watching the kids develop. Brunic and Kindle. I hope
they both stayed, but I'm not sure that's the right decision.
I don't think Brunick can benefit by going back to junior,
but he needs to mature physically, as does Kindall.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't know. I mean the Penguins success being foreigned to.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think they're mostly beating bad teams or a good
team like the La Kings having a bad night. Manth
has been okay.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I guess Brawsers is starting to where out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I think he's not a top six You know what
you got with Rust and Raquel Shann Watherspoon, don't suck
Carlson Latang mostly want to still play like their Carlson
and Latang. The goaltending is rotten. It will be the
biggest part of their undoing. I did not expect the
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form to start, which is likely skewing my evaluation. I'd
feel more comfortable with lou and Gottius coach like in
eighty four, then I do Dan muse, let's talk to
Tom Offerman, Tom Can Maal can Acrossby keep producing. They've
done very well so far, not just the points, not
just the production, but consistently producing opportunities.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I don't think there's any doubt that said can keep
doing it. It's Gino. He's the one that I'm looking
at and wondering can he keep producing? And I actually
just looked this up. Through five games last year, Mark
he had eleven points Gino, so he started out insanely hot.
Last season two, and then as the season wore on,
he started to fade a little bit, those legs started
to get a little heavy. I can't help but think
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that that's probably how this season is going to end
up playing out again. But he gets a nice little
shot in the arm at the start of the season,
he'll have an entire month off for the Olympics. Maybe
he gets a nice shot in the arm in the
second half of the season and have a pretty nice
end of his end of his career with the Penguins
this year.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, but I think he wants to stay, and that's
a problem that got to be dealt with at some
point because that'd be a tough goodbye. But they well
they should have done it years ago. It's a non
dynamic with the Penguin structure.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Not start.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I'm not beyond sinding Gino. But the big question is
would you keep Brunick and Kindle. They've each played five games,
There's four more to burn before that decision has to
be made between the NHL and junior A.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, you know, I mean the way that they're going
about with this load management thing, and they both gave
them a game off that kind of I'm reading the
tea leaves too much here, but it would indicate you'd
think that they'd keep them and that that would be
like the plan all year long, and that was what
would be best for their development. Otherwise, why wouldn't you
just let him play the nine games and then send
him back to Junior. I don't know, Brunick, I think
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for sure should stay. I think he's NHL ready. I
don't know if Junior can do anything for him anymore.
Kindall more on the fence with I wouldn't be heartbroken
if they sent Kendall back.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Well, if I kept Kindle, I'd have to give him
some top six minutes or better line mates and even
some power play time. I don't want to teach Kendall
to be a third liner, and if he's just gonna
stay here and play third fourth line role in minutes,
then I would definitely send him back. It would depend
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for me as much on what role Musing tends to
use him in, as opposed to does he need to
physically develop. One thing I would do is I would
play Kindle on the line with Sid. Yeah you said that,
not every game, but I'd do it. I might do it,
you know a half or a third of the time,
because I think Kendall thinks the game like Sid. But Sid,
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I mean not that he would not that he would
disrespect Kendall. He wants no part of that, as we
see by Rust and Raquel just topping right on the
wing when they're both right.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right, and Coyvenen going right back down to Wilkes where
he's still at Wilkes and hasn't come back to the Penguins,
And I just think that's a mistake. That guy's ready
for the NHL. It's time to sink or swim with him,
and I want it to happen on sids line.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
There is no glory to be had by getting the
last playoff.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Spot, No there is not. So I don't know why
Covenon's still buried down there, but I like your point
with Kendall and playing him on the wing some, whether
it's half or a third of the time, or why
not even you know, maybe for the last two games,
last three games of his stint in the NHL, you
throw him on Sid's wing, just to see how that looks.
I think it's worth the experiment. Well, I always go.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Back to Alexa morozof this Russian kid who was a
first round pick for the pen was in nineteen ninety
five monster offensive talent, and they played him in the
bottom six here in Pittsburgh until he believed he was
a bottom six until he became a Chip and Chase player,
used to score on Prador like Crazy, the legendary New
Jersey goalie, but pretty much nobody else. And then after
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the lockott he didn't come back to North America. He
played in the KHL and won some scoring titles and
MVPs over there, and that ain't the NHL, but it
ain't chopped to live for either, and he was ruined
by the way they used him.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
And one thing that the Penguins don't have a lot of,
if any of, in their farm system right now, is legitimate,
nailed on top six potential star talents. Any You don't
think Kendall could become that.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think Kendall ceiling is a is a second line
center who gets like twenty goals forty assists per years.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yes, that's not really a star per se. It's a
very good player on a team that could win a
lot of games, help contribute to winning, like Brunick's probably
their biggest star right now. He's defense. So it's not,
you know, fitting into this mold that we're talking about.
But I don't know, I just I'm kind of going
along the lines of what you were saying with you
don't want to ruin somebody like Kendo, who we don't
think is going to be a star. But maybe the
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closest thing you have as far as a forward is concerned.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Upside into having brawsers and Mantha be top six forwards
indefinitely and Kendall.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Not well, I mean Mantha, yeah, I mean he's already
become what he's going to be at the NHL level
and brass. It's nice to see him be a late bloomer,
but that's a bottoms. Just flip Kendle and browsers around.
Put Kendall on browsers.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Ain't ain't a late bloomer. He's a bum having a
hot streak is what he is. A Penguin lifer told
me this morning, Tom that Tristan Jari is the worst
Penguin goaltender ever, and that he plays good when you
need him to play bad, and he plays bad when
he needed to play good.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's pretty true. He's a bizarre penguin like he's second
now all time in shutouts in franchise history with Tom
Barrasso with his twenty second shutout against the Sharks. And
he does have those moments of brilliance. Has your friend
put it often in times that you don't want him
to have those moments of brilliance, but then he just
has those unbelievable You'll never forget the Islander series, and
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that's seared in your brain, the gaff he made their
first shot, first goal. How much that just became a
trend with him. You'll never be able to get that
out of your head. What a weird penguin he has been.
I mean, he's been the netminder for almost half a
decade now.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Seems a lot longer. Actually it's a bit lower. Yeah,
a bit longer than that. Here's a couple weird NHL
stats right now. Tom Connor McDavid zero goals in six games,
seven points, all helpers. But he's too young to hit
a wall. I'm gonna lost to explain why he might
be slumping.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Is it potentially he's just not shooting enough, Like sometimes
I remember said when he was in his he never
shoots enough. Do you remember? Sometimes it's sitting in his
prime would kind of go cold shooting. He would defer, sometimes,
not as much as McDavid because Sid has that can.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I haven't seen McDavid slump enough to venture a guess,
but since one of the few players I've ever seen
who when he's slumping, does not try to shoot his
way out of it. Most players just shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot,
shoot till it goes in.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
I thought that was a big problem with the Oilers
in the Stanley Cup last year and some of the
playoffs last year too. Is McDavid deferred too much just
he did to create his own shots, just start dominating
the game himself. So that's curious to see him struggling.
Oilers are not struggling though, even though he hasn't found
the net. They look pretty good already.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well, McDavid, we'll be fine now.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
The one I'm wondered about is Alex Ovechkin one goal
in six games. I've seen them play three games, and
he looks slow. He looks slow, and he's not too
young to hit a wall. He's just not dynamic like
he has to be to produce.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
And is he in it anymore?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Is the heart's still there? With a after actually breaking
the record and having that offseason and putting the feet
back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I don't question.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I don't think a thousand goals is really something that
he wants, Like, I who am I to speak for him?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But he's just shine nine hundred now, yeah, I don't
know if he've used that when I see him play. Now,
I know he's not going to get to with Thoson.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I wonder if he just has lost the motivation catboys
like he.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Would have to get to a thosand he'd have to
like score realistically thirty a year for plus for three more.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
It's not gonna happen. It's not going to happen. He'll
get to his nine hundred this year. I wonder if
he hangs it up after this season, though, because he
does look real slow.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I really believe Sid will be the last man standing,
that he will keep averaging a point per.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Game, even as guys like Covets can fade.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's hard for me to say no because you just
keep seeing it happen over injury again, correct, but let's
pretend that that doesn't exist as a variable. I mean,
he just keeps coming year after year. His conditioning is
next to none. He's he's still not as fast as
like the McDavid's and the mckinnons of the world, but
he keep up with them two hundred feet.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
And you know what big disadvantage Sid's had. He's never
got to play against Tristan Jari. The pregame show brought
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Speaker 2 (33:37):
They got your back, not your wallet, Tom, What do
we got for the trifecta?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, since the Canucks are in town tonight, Mark Gmjr.
Is coming to town as he's president of Hockey Operator.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
We know he's coming.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't know if he's here or not, but his
team is going to be in town.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
So I not I have not received confirmation or denial.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I have my three favorite gm jr. Trades when he
was Penguin's general manager. One and two are really easy,
so I'll start actually there today. Number one is Kessel
for Kapaanan and a bunch of other players involved in
picks in that trade as well. Number two, I believe
this was actually the first trade that gmgr made Patrick
Hornquist for James Neil. He also got Nick Spawling in
(34:12):
that deal, who he then sent to Toronto for Phil
Kessel in the first deal I mentioned. Three is where
it was a little bit harder to narrow down. I
bet a lot of people would lean towards Justin Schultz
for a third round pick from Edmonton. I'm gonna go
with Carl Haglan, though for David Perron in a pick
because I loved Haglin. The speed that he brought to
the game, I think really personified that era of speed
(34:33):
for the Penguins. He was just one of my you know,
you know, you always have those favorite players that aren't stars.
Hagland fits in that mold for me.
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Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, I'd agree with those. Uh. But first off, I
think we underestimate the job Jim did here is GM.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
He was amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Maybe maybe we don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean, like I I think the trades he made
I forget the order. But within a relatively brief span
he got Kessel, Hagwin, Schultz, Dally and Benino totally transformed
the team. It made the Penguins into the fastest team
in hockey, made them into Stanley Cup champions. Did know,
with not getting stars, it's tough to change the complexion
(35:19):
of a team, but only one star caliber player came in.
That was Phil and made the rest of the league
scramble to adapt to the Penguins. It became a speed
league because of the way Jim changed the Penguins roster.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I feel like the narrative on Jim got a little
bit skewed towards the end too, because he did make
some bad moves towards the end and the team wasn't
the contender that it was. But how do you criticize
him too much when he delivered you back to back
Stanley Cups and like you just illustrated moves that he made,
overhauls that he did to this roster directly led it
(35:54):
to winning those Cups. It's not like he just got
a GM job with Sid and Gino as your cornerstones
and just kind of made one move that put them
over the top. I mean it was completely ripping up
the floorboards, starting with that Neil for Hornquist trade. I mean,
Neil was a popular player, a tough player to trade,
but he wasn't the right player for the Penguins.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Horney definitely was well. Jim didn't play fantasy hockey. Jim
looked for winning players, and Patrick Hornquist was a winning player.
He was more needed for what the Penguins lacked as
opposed to Nieler, who was a good player but just
one of many who played that way.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
With that team.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
He made some good trades later on, too, like the
Zoocker trade was a good trade, like Zucker was a
solid player for the Penguins, his trade for Galchenyak.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Trades Jim, he just didn't crap at the wall to
see what would stick. And I don't criticize it for that.
If he made a mistake, could do his best to
fix it, which a lot of gms don't do, a
lot of gms don't want to admit a mistake. What
on confirmed that one was made by trying to fix it?
What do you think the biggest swing in a miss
was for him? Was Bisard in that twenty eighteen season.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, but I got it. I didn't mind it.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I never dreamed that Derek Pissard would be as big
of an a hole that he turned out to be
a guy who really thought that we had Sid and Gino.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But he shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
The third line center, right, He would say point blank
the people, I've always been a top six center.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
How do you not have the self awareness? And because
it would be beneficial to have that self awareness if
you're a bissard. Being a third line center on the
Pittsburgh Penguins is different from being a third line center
on like the Arizona Coyotes. Dude, okay, like people would
understand that you're not exactly the typical third line center.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
I remember when Craig Patrick got Ronnie Francis in ninety one,
and he came in the first meeting between him and
Badger Bob. Bob said, listen, you've been a first line
center your whole career. We got a guy here named Lemieux,
you're the second line center. And Ronnie said, okay, let's go.
And really that Ronnie did so well, and Ronnie's a
really smart guy. Operating in Mario's wake, you know what
(37:58):
I mean that it made him such a much better
player and more productive.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
How many players do you think coaches just assume won't
like decisions like that, so they don't even bring it
up to them, but would be fine with it if
you did, just have the conversation.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Bizard wasn't one oh five ninety x
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