November 5, 2025 • 38 mins
Mark and Tom talk about the Steelers missing out on Jakobi Meyers and on Sauce Gardner for that matter.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Madden Show.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Big games start at three o'clock Real Madrid at Liverpool
in the Champions League. It's a game the whole world
will be watching, including me, so expect a little soccer
touretts today. Let's talking now to Tommy Radio. Tom would
you have paid that price for Myers? If for the
Steelers a fourth and a sixth store even a bit more,
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if that's what it would have took.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, I would have best did that offer. I would
have done your third round pick in a sixth round
pick scenario. I think that that is a no brainer
to me. And honestly, Mark, I kind of saw this coming.
I'm sure you did too, because last year's receiver market
was the same way. It's a little bit less volume
this year as far as receivers on the move, but
the price tag is the exact same. And you kind
of heard these rumors out there like, well, the prices
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are out of control, that's why you're not seeing receivers move. Well,
then the number one receiver that could be moved in
a lot of people's eyes gets moved for a fourth
and a sixth.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You had to get in there. I mean a lave
might move, But yeah, you're first one for now.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You're right on about the price for Myers that the
Steelers should have paid it, and it wasn't that deer
even if he is going to be a free agent
of seasons in. I don't get why they make the
huge deal for DK and pay him, but it's evident
they don't have enough at receiver and they won't make
this little.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Deal to flush out the offense flesh out.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And when you have the opportunity like you do with
the Ravens starting so slowly and you jumping out to
the lead that you have in the division, you got
to capitalize on that or else. All this talk about
we're going all in and we're getting Rogers to finally
win a playoff game, and it was just talk because
you're not actually walking it out right here in this
opportunity to add to that offense and help them.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well the Steelers one hundred percent of the time, or
just talk. So one thing, one thing this isn't is surprising.
You can't be all in and then pass up a
deal like that. You can't have all these grandpas and
not add to try to win now. And the explanation
always is they build through the draft. I get it
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right now. Like I said, you're all in with a
bunch of senior citizens, and a fourth and a sixth
isn't that big of a price. I mean, you'll get
close to that back and then summon com picks.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Uh. Do you really trust the Steelers to draft with
fourth and sixth round picks too?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Should we be giving them that benefit of the doubt
right now? I wouldn't trust the Steelers to wash my car.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They just haven't been nailing draft picks at a high
volume lately, and I'm sorry, that's just a fact. So
why not use them to get a proven commodity in
at Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, I feel like they need a cornerback more than
a why dot Anyway, I just don't want Slay to
ever play.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Is that? Okay, let's bail some hay. Yeah, I completely
agree with you, Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I mean, he's Coodn't they do that spot in the
sequel too? I think they did start to riff a
little bit back and forth. Christopher McDonald, I think starting a.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Shooter during the fight at Grandma's.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Great Yeah, I think shooters started to entertain that with him.
Oh hi, Grandma but anyway, yes, Slay is cooked. You
gotta get him off the field. I'm with you on
the cornerback thing. I do flinch at that price tag
for Sauce Gardner and two first round picks.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So you would not have made the sauce Gardener deal.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't know if I would have made the sauce
Gardener deal. Maybe I'm too puslanimous for that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Let me tell you why I would have.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
He's twenty five, you got him for five years on
top of this one. If your first round pick next
year is Sauce Gardener and the year after it's Sauce Gardener,
those are two pretty good first ground picks. And I
think a part of it might be and people have
certainly said this on social media that they don't want
to trade away their first round pick when the draft
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is in Pittsburgh this coming year. But okay, just give
him a first round pick in twenty seven and twenty eight. Then,
I mean, if you can't make that deal, then throw
in a second. I mean, get Sauce Gardner to try
to win now. And if you're basing how you construct
your roster based on where the draft is next year,
that's a pretty crappy way of constructing your roster.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That is a bad priority.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's a bad organization right there if they're letting fan
noise and making sure the fans have a good day
in April for the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But they sure are doing that. I mean, not that
they would ever trade for Gardner, but in any potential
trade situation, they're just not giving up the first round
pick when they host the draft.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And you know, I bet people will push back at
you for saying that you would trade the first round
picks for Sauce Gardener and say, what about Menca. This
is way different than Menca. Sauce Gardner is a legit
number one, lockdown cornerback. That's one of the three most
valuable positions in it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's a year when you're all in, not a year
when Ben got hurt and Minca, let's not forget, came
in here and had two and a half really impactful truth.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But also market's not it is about winning now, but
Sauce is winning in the future too. I mean, this
guy's got, like you said, you got five years of control,
and he's probably got at lace five, six, seven more
years of runway of being an all Pro caliber player anyway, Now.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Ramsey is gonna stay at safety this week. I like it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think it should be permanent and probably should have
been done a while back.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Absolutely, I think that this probably should have been what
they did the beginning of the season. Imagine if you
had a full training camp under his belt, where he
could have just completely made that transition to that position.
Although kudos to him, I think he's gonna make it
pretty smooth. Even I don't think it's going to bet.
He played it in college, so I mean there's some familiarity.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I think he's really smart. I can only see that
on the field. I think it's very evident just you
watch games.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And you know what, I think that smarts might translate
to kind of recognizing where he is because you don't
really see him pushing back, do you about switching to safety.
He's embracing it, at least so far, and he needs
to to keep his career running at a high level.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now here's why I would have got Sauce or Jacobe
and probably both. To be honest, the Steelers are all
in with Vets. What happens in like two years, when
all those guys are retired or really bad, he might
have drafted your franchise quarterback, but he has a crappy
roster to work with.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And also the quarterback suck right now in college, right,
So like, how valuable is that first round pick if
you really aren't gonna be going into that quarterback?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, you're you're obviously looking at how ten not just
current performance.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But yeah, but to what you said, they're like, if
your first round pick was Sauce Gardener next year, oh
my god, you take that in a hardpeat. You're not
gonna pick in a spot next year without trading up
to get a player of the caliber of Sauce Gardener.
So you know, when you look at the quarterback crop,
it's like, why would we hesitate when these guys don't
look like they're franchise changing guys. And then the bomber
doesn't come out from pitt intill like two years, so
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you'll have your first round pick when he's out.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, he's your guy obviously. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now here's the thing too, I don't trust them for
one second to draft the white quarterback right and develop
him even if they do, because Tomlin, except for hereting Ben,
has been one of the worst NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Head coaches, his track record.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
At finding and using and developing and having good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, I think that's why there's no coincidence that the
offenses that looked the most competent since Ben is when
he's gone out and found like other franchises quarterbacks who
are now mercenaries. Russell Wilson gave that offense an air
of seriousness last year, and then Rogers has just taken
it to a completely another level. Like Rogers does look
like what Ben kind of looked like towards the end
of Ben.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It looks better.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, yeah, he's got more arm talent because Ben Ben,
if you're listening, sorry, it wasn't your fault. It is
an injury, yeah, probably probably.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Even bad surgery. Let's blame anybody. Yeah, exactly. I can't
trust doctors a day I mean I do, but you
know there's nothing they can I mean, look at me
a day later. I'm still impressed up with the win
over Indy, and that's a big win over a good team.
I'm glad they didn't have sauce. If they would have
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sauce for that game, they win the game. But I
think it, like, what is sauce going to do in
that game affects the way you approach the game. But
I feel the Steelers are headed to the same destination
ten and seven on a first round exit. I don't
feel like that when Yesterday convinced Monday up Sunday whenever
it was played, convinces me enough to make me think
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it's going someplace better.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I was convinced that it was going someplace worse until
that win happened on Sunday, Like it looked like they
were actually headed to mee being eight to nine, dare
we even entertain that? Or for sure being nine to
eight not getting to ten and seven. Now it just
feels like they're kind of back on track to being
that ten and seventeam. If you don't think that a
letdown can happen when Flacco comes back to town, or
that you go to Chicago on Monday night football, that's
probably the more likely one on the road against the Bears,
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Like that's still a very very high possibility.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Can't you just feel Buffalo in Kansas City as wild
cards in the AFC when the Steelers whin the AFC North,
I'd be shocked if not.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I especially feel that with Buffalo. I think they still
got a pretty good shot to take out the Patriots
for the AFC East. But Buffalo's got to win like
every game and keep pace with them. Because the Patriots
play nobody, their schedule's awful. They're just gonna keep racking up.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't think both Buffalo and Kansas City will come
back to win the division. One will be a while.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
One of them card slot and that's who the Steelers
will play. One oh five nine the X.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
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Speaker 2 (09:08):
Others charged forty percent, they charged twenty five. I'm a
rumor they might have a Christmas seal where they charge
twenty four percent more on that as it trickles in
h I'm serious when I say the Steelers should have
made that deal for Sauce. I had have traded two
frust round picks for Sauce. If I'm the Steelers like
Indy did, I'd have definitely traded a fourth and a
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sixth to Vegas for Jacoby Myers, the receiver.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I'd have traded a third and a sixth.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I might have traded a third and a fifth to
get it done and have a legitimate receiving corps. But
that's not the Steeler's way. Here here's a great stat
on Sauce Stott. Sauce has not allowed more than two
receptions to any receiver all year. Wow, he's a top
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three quarterback. People say, well, he doesn't get interceptions. That's
because nobody throws in his direction. He takes away half
the field. He's like Grievas efing Island and then the
Jets doing a fire sale. Quinnin Williams, the defensive tackle's
great goes to Dallas. We don't have the return yet,
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but but that's a dumb deal for Dallas. Dallas is
three five and one. They lost last night. Their season's over.
But Jerry Jones likes the wheel and' neal because that
keeps his name in the media. Jerry Jones is a buffoon.
That's why Dallas sucks. They have a fan as their
general manager. He happens to be the owner, which means
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he can't fire. Well, he won't fire himself as GM,
but they have a fan as the general manager. I
want you to rebut me on the Sauce stuff and
the Jacoby stuff will be taking calls next hour, lineup now,
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because that game last night started out as magic and
it wound up as tragic. Up three nil after two
at Toronto, and the least scored four in the third
period of one four to three.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
The Penguins dominated.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For two periods, absolutely dominated, but Toronto tied it in
the first seven minutes of the third and it was
light shot, light shot for Pittsburgh. After that, Penguin's not
shot Toronto. Check this out this number Penguin's not shot
Toronto twenty five.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
To eight through two periods. What happened? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Maybe they got over confident during the intermission. Maybe they've
been over their skis to this point in terms of
starting eight two and two, then eight three and two,
now eight four and two. I'm pissed that they blew
the lead, but I understand these Penguins are a team
in transition and games like that are gonna happen. They
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happened to every team, but maybe more than once to
the Penguins. Maybe last night was the first in a series.
Maybe if they lose to Washington at home on Thursday,
they go on a legit skid. That game suddenly if
you think they can make the playoffs, that game's important.
For teams that are really borderlined points in October November,
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they matter a ton, and the Penguins are a Cup
contender and probably realistically not even a playoff team. At
eight to four and two, they've been overachieving. So here
are my criticisms for what happened last night. First off,
Jari was afland goal deep in his net. There was
that pinball goal to make it three to two. He
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loot four goals on twenty shots, a save percentage of eighty.
A shooter tutor would do better. Saran wrap or a
pylon might do better. Mus put Market on Sid's wing
part way through the game because Hallander ain't it on
Sid's line, And I don know if Sid said something
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or if muse just divine Sid's will, but whoever decided,
it's just an awful move.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It traditionally doesn't work. It didn't work last night.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Bob Airy said that on the broadcast a couple of
years ago, when Selby went to it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This just never works, and it did not last night.
It makes the Penguins.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Insanely easy to play against, to check, it makes them
a one line team. Beyond description. You can't just make
sure Sid's got a line he likes. I mean you
can if you don't care if you make the playoffs.
But somebody said that Sid deserves to be in the
playoffs every year. Well, I mean, okay, then coach that way.
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That's the first thing Muse did that I just thought
was insanely dumb. Brunic was rotten again, minus two again.
I'd still keep Runic and Pittsburgh, but I bet they don't.
I bet he goes back to juniors. Ben Kendall, our guy,
had two goals, including one on the power play, and
then in the third period when it was three to
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three and the Penguin's got a power play. On that
power play, Kindle never got the puck. Hey, why feed
the hot hand? Just let the veterans figure it out.
But they didn't. Let me tell you, I've seen enough
of Ben Kindall. He should be on the left half
wall of the power play when everybody's healthy, and it
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should go through him the whole friggin power play all
the time, because it's never been a great power play guy.
Gino's never been a great power play guy. I used
to think Carlson was, but he's not no more. The
guy on that team with the best power play instincts
is eighteen year old Ben Kindall, but I would say
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that he's my favorite Penguin. Uh, tom, I feel like
Jari was most to blame. It was a traditional Jarry failure.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Too deep in the net, that pinball goal, and he
never makes the save he needs to.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent, Jarry is the most to blame.
I mean, it just comes down to sixteen saves on
twenty shots. You gotta be a lot better than that.
And he wasn't tested through those first two periods like
at all. It was a very easy kind of walk
through the park. And then it just kind of turned
up for him in the third period and didn't respond
any that often.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Said, Tommy is the attention span of a goat. He's
not that bright. He just loses focus at the drop
of a hat.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And that game was such a game that you could
lose focus in, right, Just a sleepy first couple of
periods for him, and then look what happens just they
explode on him for four goals.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Now, I think we got some sound from Dan Hughes.
We might play later. But if you're the coach, do
you now rethink that rotation? You know, a different guy
game in and game out. I probably don't, but it might.
This might be the first step in leading me to rethink.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I think it's the first step, but it would
be a little too knee jerky to do it now
after one back to back instance of Sheilv's not playing
well against the Jets early in that game than Jari
not playing well late in this game against the Leaf
So I would stick with it. See if they can
both bounce back, or maybe one of them bounces back,
and then that kind of makes you go down the
path a little more of Do I stick with this rotation?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't blame Jari for the first Toronto goal Matthew's
on a breakaway because it begs the question, how in
the frig does the guy who once scored sixty goals
get behind your defense when you lead three to zero?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
How's that happen? What are you looking at? What do
you think it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Absolutely so, I don't worry about that one, But like
you said, the three two.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, no, I don't worry about Jari allowing it.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I worry about how that happened, opportunity materialized.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Maybe that's the side of the whole team kind of
just got sleepy on the game, just kind of fell
into a trap.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And you said that, you.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Know, the Penguins were kind of playing at a level
that was a little bit above their heads. I think
that's fair to say. To start the season, well, the
Leafs have been the opposite, right, like they've been at
the bottom of where their expectations are.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I still don't think seeing them last night, despite the comeback,
I don't think they're very good.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
But in their mind, I think a lot of teams
in the East aren't very good.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You might be right about that, but I'm just saying
in their locker room, they think they're not a bottom
Eastern Conference team. So they had to be feeling in
that locker room between second period and third period, like, yo,
we got to wake up and do something here.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
What did you make of moving malkin the Sid's line.
I mean, it doesn't work, It never works.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And I know that you didn't have Brazos so it
wasn't like you were breaking up the monster line. So
that's good for me because you can't do that. That
line's just been it's barely been the engine for the fact.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Let's keep in mind Manta who did play. Yes, you
know he has thrived based on playing with Gino. Okay,
what the freak happens to him when Malkin jumps the
Sids line? And like I said, if it's being done
for the sake of Sid and Malkin, if that do
you want to make the playoffs or not? They should
have been trying to grind out that result.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And why does it have to be Gino? Like if
you are going to indulge it and say, okay, Hallander's
off your line for the rest of this, Like, why
wouldn't you put coivin In up there again and try
that out? Why wouldn't you put Kindle up there and
try that out?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Maybe for a couple of shifts, I will say I
wanted Kindle on the Sid line at one point, but he's.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Sentences the center. You want to be a center, He's
got to be the second line center next year.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Then he's why you can't keep Gino. Yeah, can't block him.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It worries me so much that they're gonna do stupid
stuff like keep Gino if he has a decent season
and wants to keep playing.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And then you kind of see them do a little
bit of stupid stuff like put Gino on Sid's line,
and I guess that makes you worry a little more.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
What makes me worry even more than that the fans
will want Gino to stay.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Because they won't see the forest through that tree.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, put it this way, if the crowds remain low,
I wouldn't let what the fans want influenced me even
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I saw you getting some stick on Twitter about people
be like, well, if the good could beat up Juda,
it'll deserve to be the second line center. It's nothing
to do with that. You're not gonna put Gino on
your third line center. That's not gonna happen for a
nineteen year old kid.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Genny Mankin and Ben kindall are heading in opposite directions.
It will not be long before they pass each other
going in opposite direction. And when I say not be long,
I'm talking like januinere youre February.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He already has passed him in the power play Kendle
versus Malkin. He's the best hard to do. He's the
best power play guy on the team. Admittedly small sample,
but that's what I see.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I I know those classic circle guys.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Uh, shit, ain't Marcin, ain't Kindle?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Is something about that number on the power play? Huh
number eighty one. Let's like shills out there again?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Kindle shopmore last night on the power Play? Then fielded
some months.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Would you keep Brunick or send him back to Junior
eight because he was bad for another game?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Comedy in a row now a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I like what you said recently about keeping the kids together,
and that's kind of why I would keep him here.
It doesn't mean that you have to play him every game.
If he has to be scratched back to back games
for his development, that's fine. Put Doomba out there, I'd
keep him. Pickering and Brunick were brutal last night, though,
I mean, just an awful pair. Black hole for that team.
Pickering soft.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
The Penguins host Washington on Thursday at PPG tom It
could be a third loss in a row, although the
you know they're below the peng was in the standings.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
If they do lose though, Might that trigger collapse? Yeah?
I think absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I think we're always going to be on the look
for a collapse right now, right because of the expectations
were just thrown so askew at the start of the season.
But we thought this team was not going to be
a very good team this year, and you know, still
the same team on paper that we predicted wouldn't be
very good. So I think we're always going to kind
of be looking for Hey, they lost three games in
a row.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is the bottom falling out now? And it might make
twenty time?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, but that loss last night could be a learning experience.
I hope somebody in that locker room said, look, we
thought too hotly of ourselves, and that is why they lost.
If they would have coming to the third period trying
to grind not the results. But they're used to being
a team that extends lead as opposed to holding leads.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But they're not that team anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And I could see how that first two periods really
kind of fed into that and then feeling themselves because
they were awesome in this first two periods since pass
to Carlson for the opening goal was so sick and
Gino on the power play Mark when he's like direct traffic,
like get that stick out of my way, and then
he feeds Kindle for the goal.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It was awesome. They were playing great on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The last power play. Should have been directing traffic to Kindle.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah. I and you know what needs to be said.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I when I coached not to bring my vast but
but illustrious ball hockey coach agreed to this. If we
didn't have a good goalie, I would find an excuse
for the goalie to be doing something else or talk
to one the assistant coach, whatever, and I would say,
listen to the team, we know so and so is
not very good.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, he tries.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We like him. Even if he didn't try and we
didn't like him. But I said, he tries and we
like him. But you got to understand that that you
got to play a certain way in front of a
goalie like that, and you got to get guys to
buy into it. I think with these goalies, and especially
Jari and his proneness to just really bad stretches, the
Penguins have to talk amongst themselves and realize that and.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That certain way is not letting Austin Matthews sixty goal
scorer to get behind your entire defense for a breakaway
on that said bad goaltender.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, It's like I couldn't believe it was a breakaway,
and then I though it was Matthews, and I really
couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
Not VX.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
We got the return for Quinn Williams going to Dallas.
Dallas gave up a second and a first round pick
second this year, first the year after.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And uh, I mean Jerry Jones.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Like I said, they have a fan as their GM
and he thinks he can save this season at.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Three five and one. But he's wrong, He's wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I will say Quinn Williams, he won't have the impact
that Michael Parson's with Dallas, but he will definitely have
impact Tom. I was gonna say that since the Jets
are having a fire sale, not unlike the Diehard with
Timothy Oliphant, is the heel that the Steeler should inquire
for Garrett Wilson to wide out.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
But Rogers and he do not like each other.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And that may be a mild euphemism for how much
they don't like each other.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, there's no way that Rogers would would greenlight that.
That just did not work. It was like oil and
water in New York with him Garrett Wilson. When Matt
Williamson actually told me why it was like that one day,
he was just like Gillart, Wilson's a big improviser and
Rogers this no buyo. When you're playing with Rogers, you
got to be where Rogers expects you to be.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I'm not sure Sauce Gardner liked Rogers either. I heard
that that him and Wilson kind of were a unit
of two and felt that it you know that it
was going to be their team, and you know, it
became Rogers's team the minute he got in there, but
part of us because they drafted the boyd toy Zach Wilson.
He failed miserably.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think Sauce and Rodgers had a good relationship at
the beginning, Like I remember when he first got in
your they were popping up like court side at Knicks
games and they were doing a lot of stuff together.
But I think when Rogers didn't deliver on that promise
of greener pastures, Sauce kind of I think it wore
out on him, and then he was kind of becoming
a huge distraction for the team. So yeah, I think
there's I don't know if Sauce doesn't like him like
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Garrett Wilson probably doesn't, but I bet you Sauce is
like that dude didn't deliver what I thought he was
going to.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And you know what, the point I made that enough
people haven't picked up on Rogers in New York made
it worse by being on the McAfee show and the
stuff he said. Rogers and Pittsburgh has made a better
by not because Pat's not your friend. If you're a
guest on that show, pass not anybody's friend. Pats f
himself first and second and everybody else.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I would love to know how that you know all
broke too write like whose idea was it? Was it
Rogers saying I'm gonna pull back on that kind of stuff?
Did the Steelers suggest it? Well? First off, was the
guy who recruited Rogers to do it, old teammate from
Green Bay. Yeah, and I would guess the Steelers said,
we'd prefer this something like that in the very genteel way, like,
you know, we don't think this is a good idea.
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We're not going to tell you can't, but we would
prefer you don't. And he acquiesced Rogers has been great.
He's done everything right now well, and Rogers is no
dummy either.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I would think that Rogers probably looked at, you know,
the fallout from some of his appearances, you know, on
McAfee in New York and said, Okay, yeah, they're right.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Do you think it was hard to resist that million dollars? Though?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't think a million bucks beats anything to Aaron
Rodgers Tom Social media has overreacting to Penguins loss, and
that's fun, I guess, and I admit it. It's the
type of loss that readily invites overreaction blowing a three
zero lead in the third period. But one guy on
Twitter said, you got to call up Morrishaw from Wilkes.
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He's killing it in the AHL and Jarry stinks. Okay,
Morshoff is killing it and Jari does stink. But where
do you think these Penguins are at if you want
to make that move? What's the ceiling with morishoff? Even
if he comes up and is you know what we
hope he is and is morishof for sure one hundred
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percent for sure ready to play behind a team that
imploded like the Penguins did last night. Because I'm blaming Jari.
But but the way the Penguins played defensively did not
cover itself in glory. So is he ready to play
in the NHL for sure? And what's gained? You know,
what's the ceiling to rush him? You people out there,
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I know you want everything now. If you want everything now,
sell out PPG paints Serena. Maybe then you get more
of a focus on now to repay that. But try
to understand the agenda here.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah. I don't want to like put marishoff in bubble wrap,
but I really want to be extra careful with him
because follow the plan. Yeah sure, and maybe he has
expedited the plan slightly because his play has just been magnificent,
but not expedite it to the point where it's just
a month in the AHL, and then you're right at
the NHL level, a team that's in second place in
the metro and has eighteen points. Like there's pressure there too.
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It's like, hey, save us from potentially having a slide here, kid, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Just I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Here's here's the scenario that I could live with is
if they're in a playoff spot in February and you
and you somehow trade Jari or push him down a
flight of steps or.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, and I'm in ahead with the rubber hose. I
don't I don't care what you do, but but you know,
then I could see it. But the thing is, you
can't call up more Shoff and send Jari down because
then you would be saying, Okay, the goaltending that miraculously
got us here isn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And I think I think the.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Locker room knows how good Morshof is, but I think
that would still disrupt it.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
It might just be the best for the team for
that logo moving forward, for Mehrishov to get a full
AHL season under his belt, go on a playoff run
with the wilkes Bard Baby Penguins, and then next year
come into training camp with eyes on becoming the number
one goalie for the Penguins that season, him and she
Lofts as the kind of the tandem, him kind of
being the one a option.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It is not yet, James Bond need to know time
this trade deadline today, it's been a pretty good trade deadline.
What's the best trade deadline? I think it might becoming
the NFL. It really is, because there's blockbusters happening more.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know what, the Luca deal in the NBA. NBA
is still very good.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You know what does suck about about all the trade
deadlines and really all the trades that are made period
and all the sports, they're all something for a draft pick.
And in every sport but baseball, there's too many cap dumps.
Like I used to like when I was a kid,
you would have the player for player trade, you know
what I mean, Like I'm trying to like when the
Pirates traded Tony Pania, who was an All Star catcher
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Cardinals like Lavalliere and I forget who the other guy was,
but they got players who were the basis of being
a really good team, those playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, player for player trades are so rare. You know,
the sport where like the big trade hasn't been happening
as much. And maybe I'm way off. Maybe I'm just
not paying attention to the sport that much. Telling on
myself is baseball. And that was kind of like the
cliche hot stove. If you just referenced that trade with
the Pirates and the Cardinals like that was when you know,
you'd think trade deadline, MLB trade deadline players are going
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to be on the move.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I feel like that's died down slightly.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You don't see like the big big fish really move
that much at that deadline. But every other sport you
do Marshawn and hockey last year, Luca and basketball sauce
right now.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
In football, yeah, but going back to when I was
a kid, which is way before, when you were a kid,
but when there was a reserve cause you know, and
you could become a free agent. When you made a
trade in baseball, you knew that guy was yours indefinitely,
you know what I mean, you wanted them, so that
made the trades bigger and they wanted to do it,
and like you know there, I mean, there's no cap
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in baseball now, but a lot of trades, like every
trade the Pirates make is made with financial consideration in mind.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, no question.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But I think football your original question has really picked
up as far as their trade deadline is concerned, because
there was a time I remember as a kid, like
trades in the NFL was were not a thing, Like
you didn't do it in the middle of the season.
It was very very rare offseason you'd see sometimes. But
that has just become such a difference now. I mean,
sauce Gardner I did not see coming. The Jets having
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this huge fire sale, I didn't see coming.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
The sauce Gardner deal is to my mind, almost comparable
to the Luca deal in the NBA. Yeah, I kind
of know what I'm gonna say. More so you know why.
It is a It is a big picture changing deal.
Like now, if you made me pick a team to
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win the AFC, I'm not saying I'd pick Indianapolis. You
know what, Right now, I would pick Indianapolis even though
the Steelers just beat them.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
That's a huge deal for them.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, I mean, who would you pick ahead of them?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I still like the Chiefs. You're not gonna like me
on that, but I do like they're not in the
playoffs right now. I know they're not.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
The Bills. Still give me a second place right now.
I know. I know it's tough. It's it's a weird,
weird year with teams that I just don't trust.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yet, for some reason, Indianapolis saw an opening and they
took it. You know why, Tom, because they are serious people.
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Speaker 1 (32:12):
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Speaker 5 (32:21):
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Speaker 1 (32:32):
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Speaker 2 (32:40):
Breaking news, Tom Well breaking news on top of news
we already knew. Adam Schechter of ESPN reports that the
Steelers did make a run to try to trade for
Jacoby Myers, the receiver from Vegas. But we're out bid
by Jacksonville. How did you get up bid by Jacksonville?
And like I said, that offer, I mean, I mean
a fourth and a sixth that's I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I don't think the Raiders got cheated. But if I'm the.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Steelers, like I said, I would have gone as high
as a third and a fifth.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean the way that Chefter worded that, outbid by
the Jags, So what you were offering a fifth round
pick and weren't willing to move off of that?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I mean, what does that even mean? I think you're
not bid by the Jags that too, but you think
it would be.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Like a second round pick came swooping in and it's like,
I'm not giving that for Myers a fourth and a
sixth that outbids you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And here's another thing that that that deal reflects on Tom.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Do you think the Jags are better than the Steelers? No,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I think the Steels are better than the Jags, but
they're roughly the same class.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I went for a reason. What do you think it's
a better chance the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
The Steelers do okay, But yet the Jags are more
aggressive the deal.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
They're aggressive because they are serious.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well I can't say that because we've had Tony kan
in studio, but they are serious people.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
They're acting more serious than the Steelers are right now
as far as being aggressive at the trade deadline and
trying to get as much as they can out of
their offense.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And they're an offensive minded football team too.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Like that's that's clearly where their motivations are. They got
it Brian Thomas Junior as a receiver. They go out
and trade for this receiver. They're trying everything they can
to make sure that the money they gave Lawrence is
actually wise.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know, Tony Kahan, for those.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Who don't know, is the son of the owner of
the Jaguars, and his family owns not only the Jags,
but Fulham Football Club in England and AEW wrestling, which
which Tony does the creative for.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I think it's hilarious that Tony.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Is involved to some degree in the administration of all
three and his first priorities wrestling.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know how it couldn't be the two other
sports one of those too. He's a fan.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I guess it was all His dream wasn't to run
Fulham or the Jags, it was the promotion.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
All right, well, he's living his dream. I guess I
would love to run the Jazz and I respect that.
I just don't think he's you know, I think he
could use some help. That's a diplomatic way to put it.
What do we got for the trifecta? Tom? All right, Well,
since it is the trade deadlinemark, I've got my three
best trades ever. Number three for me is going to
be trading Jack Parkman to the White Sox to bring Tanaka.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
In tremendous it's the best, which was which let's not
forget that was a salary dump.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It was a salary dump. But Tanaka very valuable, mark,
defensive prowess, good glove. I mean he's scaling the wall.
John runs. Yes, not those Jack Giants. Also a sneaky
value for Tanaka. He got Serrano going little marble bags,
remember right, But that was in Major League two, which
was not good. But Tanaka saved that. Jack Parkman saved it,
or tried to save that movie. A Number two for
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me is the trading of a washing machine for ed monics.
That's just the sign of a very aggressive owner.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I still think the introduction of monarchs to the Tropics
was one of the best scenes in that movie, which
is Will Ferrell's best movie by far.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I hmm, it's tough to disagree with that, but there's
just so many that I love. I mean, the other
guys just flies to the top of the list. But
semi pro what a flawless picture.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
He's an old warrior, yeah, he old.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
But the number one trade off has to be Colonel
Hans Landa's escape and freedom and life as a war
hero in exchange for his cooperation in the assassination of
killing Hitler in the Nazi high command, thus ending the
war that night.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's just a damn good deal. Would you take that deal?
I'd take that deal. I don't blame you damn good deal.
So those are the three best trades ever.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
In fact, I won all the members of Operation Kino
to receive the Medal of Honor.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
He like gives him, yeah the little X sly like
nun almost thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And brad Pitt's just so mad when he does that
best line in the movie.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
To me, brad Pitt couldn't wait to carve the swastik
it his fork to.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Be hyperbolic, because there's so many lines that I'd say
the best line in the movie. But at the end
when he's like he'll be shot for this and he goes, nah,
more like chewed out. I've been chewed out before. Yeah,
he's right there, gonna he actually could have shot hands
Londa and I don't I'm not even sure they wouldn't
have shot him for trees, right, Yeah, No, he would
have been fine, just chewed out, like he said.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But I think it was I think that that Aldo
got more satisfaction of carving the swastik at his head.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And that was his masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
As he's to Yudovich to close the movie, that's the
only time you actually see it too, and it's just
so gruesome.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Now you get the Broadways practice. Yeah, that that's just
such a good But you know what would have been
I would like to see maybe a short film on
hands Lond his life on Nintucket Island years later.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Like having to go to the store, the corner market
and have to like wear a hat really low and
have it like blow off in the wind or something,
and then everybody sees this giant swastika on his forehead.
It'd be an interesting little like ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Do you think there would have been any like plastic
surgical techniques back then that could have remedied.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
He would have tried, or honestly, do you try to
get a tattoo over top of it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You know what I mean, like just kind of take
an into like a checkerboard, like a Rubik's cue, or
take a knife to yourself to fix it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, that was You're right, that's the only time you
see all to carve the swasti gag and seeing him
gripping the ground and ripping the turf.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Up right, And they allude to it earlier right in
the movie when they let the one prisoner go after
I remember the bear jew hits them with the bat.
They let the one guy go to tell the story
to Hitler and they kind of like show he takes
off the hat, remember, and they just show Hitler's face
and they're like, they're like horrified on the swastika that
was carved in.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And by the way, you have to like Hitler as
a semi comedic figure in any movie. Who are what
is a private boots? Okay, we're gonna keep talking about
how the Steelers should have got Sauce Gardner and I'm
not kidding.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I'm right.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
The Steelers are wrong because they are not serious people.
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touretts today. Let's talking now to Tommy Radio. Tom would
you have paid that price for Myers? If for the
Steelers a fourth and a sixth store even a bit more,
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if that's what it would have took.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, I would have best did that offer. I would
have done your third round pick in a sixth round
pick scenario. I think that that is a no brainer
to me. And honestly, Mark, I kind of saw this coming.
I'm sure you did too, because last year's receiver market
was the same way. It's a little bit less volume
this year as far as receivers on the move, but
the price tag is the exact same. And you kind
of heard these rumors out there like, well, the prices
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are out of control, that's why you're not seeing receivers move. Well,
then the number one receiver that could be moved in
a lot of people's eyes gets moved for a fourth
and a sixth.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You had to get in there. I mean a lave
might move, But yeah, you're first one for now.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
You're right on about the price for Myers that the
Steelers should have paid it, and it wasn't that deer
even if he is going to be a free agent
of seasons in. I don't get why they make the
huge deal for DK and pay him, but it's evident
they don't have enough at receiver and they won't make
this little.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Deal to flush out the offense flesh out.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
And when you have the opportunity like you do with
the Ravens starting so slowly and you jumping out to
the lead that you have in the division, you got
to capitalize on that or else. All this talk about
we're going all in and we're getting Rogers to finally
win a playoff game, and it was just talk because
you're not actually walking it out right here in this
opportunity to add to that offense and help them.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Well the Steelers one hundred percent of the time, or
just talk. So one thing, one thing this isn't is surprising.
You can't be all in and then pass up a
deal like that. You can't have all these grandpas and
not add to try to win now. And the explanation
always is they build through the draft. I get it
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right now. Like I said, you're all in with a
bunch of senior citizens, and a fourth and a sixth
isn't that big of a price. I mean, you'll get
close to that back and then summon com picks.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Uh. Do you really trust the Steelers to draft with
fourth and sixth round picks too?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Should we be giving them that benefit of the doubt
right now? I wouldn't trust the Steelers to wash my car.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
They just haven't been nailing draft picks at a high
volume lately, and I'm sorry, that's just a fact. So
why not use them to get a proven commodity in
at Jacobe Myers.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Well, I feel like they need a cornerback more than
a why dot Anyway, I just don't want Slay to
ever play.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Is that? Okay, let's bail some hay. Yeah, I completely
agree with you, Happy Gilmore.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I mean, he's Coodn't they do that spot in the
sequel too? I think they did start to riff a
little bit back and forth. Christopher McDonald, I think starting a.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Shooter during the fight at Grandma's.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Great Yeah, I think shooters started to entertain that with him.
Oh hi, Grandma but anyway, yes, Slay is cooked. You
gotta get him off the field. I'm with you on
the cornerback thing. I do flinch at that price tag
for Sauce Gardner and two first round picks.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
So you would not have made the sauce Gardener deal.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I don't know if I would have made the sauce
Gardener deal. Maybe I'm too puslanimous for that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Let me tell you why I would have.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
He's twenty five, you got him for five years on
top of this one. If your first round pick next
year is Sauce Gardener and the year after it's Sauce Gardener,
those are two pretty good first ground picks. And I
think a part of it might be and people have
certainly said this on social media that they don't want
to trade away their first round pick when the draft
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is in Pittsburgh this coming year. But okay, just give
him a first round pick in twenty seven and twenty eight. Then,
I mean, if you can't make that deal, then throw
in a second. I mean, get Sauce Gardner to try
to win now. And if you're basing how you construct
your roster based on where the draft is next year,
that's a pretty crappy way of constructing your roster.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That is a bad priority.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's a bad organization right there if they're letting fan
noise and making sure the fans have a good day
in April for the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
But they sure are doing that. I mean, not that
they would ever trade for Gardner, but in any potential
trade situation, they're just not giving up the first round
pick when they host the draft.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
And you know, I bet people will push back at
you for saying that you would trade the first round
picks for Sauce Gardener and say, what about Menca. This
is way different than Menca. Sauce Gardner is a legit
number one, lockdown cornerback. That's one of the three most
valuable positions in it.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's a year when you're all in, not a year
when Ben got hurt and Minca, let's not forget, came
in here and had two and a half really impactful truth.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
But also market's not it is about winning now, but
Sauce is winning in the future too. I mean, this
guy's got, like you said, you got five years of control,
and he's probably got at lace five, six, seven more
years of runway of being an all Pro caliber player anyway, Now.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Ramsey is gonna stay at safety this week. I like it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I think it should be permanent and probably should have
been done a while back.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Absolutely, I think that this probably should have been what
they did the beginning of the season. Imagine if you
had a full training camp under his belt, where he
could have just completely made that transition to that position.
Although kudos to him, I think he's gonna make it
pretty smooth. Even I don't think it's going to bet.
He played it in college, so I mean there's some familiarity.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I think he's really smart. I can only see that
on the field. I think it's very evident just you
watch games.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And you know what, I think that smarts might translate
to kind of recognizing where he is because you don't
really see him pushing back, do you about switching to safety.
He's embracing it, at least so far, and he needs
to to keep his career running at a high level.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now here's why I would have got Sauce or Jacobe
and probably both. To be honest, the Steelers are all
in with Vets. What happens in like two years, when
all those guys are retired or really bad, he might
have drafted your franchise quarterback, but he has a crappy
roster to work with.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
And also the quarterback suck right now in college, right,
So like, how valuable is that first round pick if
you really aren't gonna be going into that quarterback?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Well, you're you're obviously looking at how ten not just
current performance.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
But yeah, but to what you said, they're like, if
your first round pick was Sauce Gardener next year, oh
my god, you take that in a hardpeat. You're not
gonna pick in a spot next year without trading up
to get a player of the caliber of Sauce Gardener.
So you know, when you look at the quarterback crop,
it's like, why would we hesitate when these guys don't
look like they're franchise changing guys. And then the bomber
doesn't come out from pitt intill like two years, so
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you'll have your first round pick when he's out.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, he's your guy obviously. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Now here's the thing too, I don't trust them for
one second to draft the white quarterback right and develop
him even if they do, because Tomlin, except for hereting Ben,
has been one of the worst NFL.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Head coaches, his track record.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
At finding and using and developing and having good quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Well, I think that's why there's no coincidence that the
offenses that looked the most competent since Ben is when
he's gone out and found like other franchises quarterbacks who
are now mercenaries. Russell Wilson gave that offense an air
of seriousness last year, and then Rogers has just taken
it to a completely another level. Like Rogers does look
like what Ben kind of looked like towards the end
of Ben.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It looks better.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, yeah, he's got more arm talent because Ben Ben,
if you're listening, sorry, it wasn't your fault. It is
an injury, yeah, probably probably.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Even bad surgery. Let's blame anybody. Yeah, exactly. I can't
trust doctors a day I mean I do, but you
know there's nothing they can I mean, look at me
a day later. I'm still impressed up with the win
over Indy, and that's a big win over a good team.
I'm glad they didn't have sauce. If they would have
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sauce for that game, they win the game. But I
think it, like, what is sauce going to do in
that game affects the way you approach the game. But
I feel the Steelers are headed to the same destination
ten and seven on a first round exit. I don't
feel like that when Yesterday convinced Monday up Sunday whenever
it was played, convinces me enough to make me think
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it's going someplace better.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I was convinced that it was going someplace worse until
that win happened on Sunday, Like it looked like they
were actually headed to mee being eight to nine, dare
we even entertain that? Or for sure being nine to
eight not getting to ten and seven. Now it just
feels like they're kind of back on track to being
that ten and seventeam. If you don't think that a
letdown can happen when Flacco comes back to town, or
that you go to Chicago on Monday night football, that's
probably the more likely one on the road against the Bears,
(08:17):
Like that's still a very very high possibility.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Can't you just feel Buffalo in Kansas City as wild
cards in the AFC when the Steelers whin the AFC North,
I'd be shocked if not.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
I especially feel that with Buffalo. I think they still
got a pretty good shot to take out the Patriots
for the AFC East. But Buffalo's got to win like
every game and keep pace with them. Because the Patriots
play nobody, their schedule's awful. They're just gonna keep racking up.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't think both Buffalo and Kansas City will come
back to win the division. One will be a while.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
One of them card slot and that's who the Steelers
will play. One oh five nine the X.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
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Speaker 2 (09:08):
Others charged forty percent, they charged twenty five. I'm a
rumor they might have a Christmas seal where they charge
twenty four percent more on that as it trickles in
h I'm serious when I say the Steelers should have
made that deal for Sauce. I had have traded two
frust round picks for Sauce. If I'm the Steelers like
Indy did, I'd have definitely traded a fourth and a
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sixth to Vegas for Jacoby Myers, the receiver.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I'd have traded a third and a sixth.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
I might have traded a third and a fifth to
get it done and have a legitimate receiving corps. But
that's not the Steeler's way. Here here's a great stat
on Sauce Stott. Sauce has not allowed more than two
receptions to any receiver all year. Wow, he's a top
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three quarterback. People say, well, he doesn't get interceptions. That's
because nobody throws in his direction. He takes away half
the field. He's like Grievas efing Island and then the
Jets doing a fire sale. Quinnin Williams, the defensive tackle's
great goes to Dallas. We don't have the return yet,
(10:15):
but but that's a dumb deal for Dallas. Dallas is
three five and one. They lost last night. Their season's over.
But Jerry Jones likes the wheel and' neal because that
keeps his name in the media. Jerry Jones is a buffoon.
That's why Dallas sucks. They have a fan as their
general manager. He happens to be the owner, which means
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he can't fire. Well, he won't fire himself as GM,
but they have a fan as the general manager. I
want you to rebut me on the Sauce stuff and
the Jacoby stuff will be taking calls next hour, lineup now,
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because that game last night started out as magic and
it wound up as tragic. Up three nil after two
at Toronto, and the least scored four in the third
period of one four to three.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
The Penguins dominated.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For two periods, absolutely dominated, but Toronto tied it in
the first seven minutes of the third and it was
light shot, light shot for Pittsburgh. After that, Penguin's not
shot Toronto. Check this out this number Penguin's not shot
Toronto twenty five.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
To eight through two periods. What happened? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Maybe they got over confident during the intermission. Maybe they've
been over their skis to this point in terms of
starting eight two and two, then eight three and two,
now eight four and two. I'm pissed that they blew
the lead, but I understand these Penguins are a team
in transition and games like that are gonna happen. They
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happened to every team, but maybe more than once to
the Penguins. Maybe last night was the first in a series.
Maybe if they lose to Washington at home on Thursday,
they go on a legit skid. That game suddenly if
you think they can make the playoffs, that game's important.
For teams that are really borderlined points in October November,
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they matter a ton, and the Penguins are a Cup
contender and probably realistically not even a playoff team. At
eight to four and two, they've been overachieving. So here
are my criticisms for what happened last night. First off,
Jari was afland goal deep in his net. There was
that pinball goal to make it three to two. He
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loot four goals on twenty shots, a save percentage of eighty.
A shooter tutor would do better. Saran wrap or a
pylon might do better. Mus put Market on Sid's wing
part way through the game because Hallander ain't it on
Sid's line, And I don know if Sid said something
(13:05):
or if muse just divine Sid's will, but whoever decided,
it's just an awful move.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It traditionally doesn't work. It didn't work last night.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Bob Airy said that on the broadcast a couple of
years ago, when Selby went to it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
This just never works, and it did not last night.
It makes the Penguins.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Insanely easy to play against, to check, it makes them
a one line team. Beyond description. You can't just make
sure Sid's got a line he likes. I mean you
can if you don't care if you make the playoffs.
But somebody said that Sid deserves to be in the
playoffs every year. Well, I mean, okay, then coach that way.
(13:49):
That's the first thing Muse did that I just thought
was insanely dumb. Brunic was rotten again, minus two again.
I'd still keep Runic and Pittsburgh, but I bet they don't.
I bet he goes back to juniors. Ben Kendall, our guy,
had two goals, including one on the power play, and
then in the third period when it was three to
(14:10):
three and the Penguin's got a power play. On that
power play, Kindle never got the puck. Hey, why feed
the hot hand? Just let the veterans figure it out.
But they didn't. Let me tell you, I've seen enough
of Ben Kindall. He should be on the left half
wall of the power play when everybody's healthy, and it
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should go through him the whole friggin power play all
the time, because it's never been a great power play guy.
Gino's never been a great power play guy. I used
to think Carlson was, but he's not no more. The
guy on that team with the best power play instincts
is eighteen year old Ben Kindall, but I would say
(14:55):
that he's my favorite Penguin. Uh, tom, I feel like
Jari was most to blame. It was a traditional Jarry failure.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Too deep in the net, that pinball goal, and he
never makes the save he needs to.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, one hundred percent, Jarry is the most to blame.
I mean, it just comes down to sixteen saves on
twenty shots. You gotta be a lot better than that.
And he wasn't tested through those first two periods like
at all. It was a very easy kind of walk
through the park. And then it just kind of turned
up for him in the third period and didn't respond
any that often.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Said, Tommy is the attention span of a goat. He's
not that bright. He just loses focus at the drop
of a hat.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
And that game was such a game that you could
lose focus in, right, Just a sleepy first couple of
periods for him, and then look what happens just they
explode on him for four goals.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Now, I think we got some sound from Dan Hughes.
We might play later. But if you're the coach, do
you now rethink that rotation? You know, a different guy
game in and game out. I probably don't, but it might.
This might be the first step in leading me to rethink.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, I think it's the first step, but it would
be a little too knee jerky to do it now
after one back to back instance of Sheilv's not playing
well against the Jets early in that game than Jari
not playing well late in this game against the Leaf
So I would stick with it. See if they can
both bounce back, or maybe one of them bounces back,
and then that kind of makes you go down the
path a little more of Do I stick with this rotation?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I don't blame Jari for the first Toronto goal Matthew's
on a breakaway because it begs the question, how in
the frig does the guy who once scored sixty goals
get behind your defense when you lead three to zero?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
How's that happen? What are you looking at? What do
you think it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Absolutely so, I don't worry about that one, But like
you said, the three two.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, no, I don't worry about Jari allowing it.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I worry about how that happened, opportunity materialized.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Maybe that's the side of the whole team kind of
just got sleepy on the game, just kind of fell
into a trap.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
And you said that, you.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Know, the Penguins were kind of playing at a level
that was a little bit above their heads. I think
that's fair to say. To start the season, well, the
Leafs have been the opposite, right, like they've been at
the bottom of where their expectations are.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I still don't think seeing them last night, despite the comeback,
I don't think they're very good.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
But in their mind, I think a lot of teams
in the East aren't very good.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
You might be right about that, but I'm just saying
in their locker room, they think they're not a bottom
Eastern Conference team. So they had to be feeling in
that locker room between second period and third period, like, yo,
we got to wake up and do something here.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
What did you make of moving malkin the Sid's line.
I mean, it doesn't work, It never works.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And I know that you didn't have Brazos so it
wasn't like you were breaking up the monster line. So
that's good for me because you can't do that. That
line's just been it's barely been the engine for the fact.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Let's keep in mind Manta who did play. Yes, you
know he has thrived based on playing with Gino. Okay,
what the freak happens to him when Malkin jumps the
Sids line? And like I said, if it's being done
for the sake of Sid and Malkin, if that do
you want to make the playoffs or not? They should
have been trying to grind out that result.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And why does it have to be Gino? Like if
you are going to indulge it and say, okay, Hallander's
off your line for the rest of this, Like, why
wouldn't you put coivin In up there again and try
that out? Why wouldn't you put Kindle up there and
try that out?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Maybe for a couple of shifts, I will say I
wanted Kindle on the Sid line at one point, but he's.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Sentences the center. You want to be a center, He's
got to be the second line center next year.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Then he's why you can't keep Gino. Yeah, can't block him.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
It worries me so much that they're gonna do stupid
stuff like keep Gino if he has a decent season
and wants to keep playing.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And then you kind of see them do a little
bit of stupid stuff like put Gino on Sid's line,
and I guess that makes you worry a little more.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
What makes me worry even more than that the fans
will want Gino to stay.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Because they won't see the forest through that tree.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Well, put it this way, if the crowds remain low,
I wouldn't let what the fans want influenced me even
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I saw you getting some stick on Twitter about people
be like, well, if the good could beat up Juda,
it'll deserve to be the second line center. It's nothing
to do with that. You're not gonna put Gino on
your third line center. That's not gonna happen for a
nineteen year old kid.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Genny Mankin and Ben kindall are heading in opposite directions.
It will not be long before they pass each other
going in opposite direction. And when I say not be long,
I'm talking like januinere youre February.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
He already has passed him in the power play Kendle
versus Malkin. He's the best hard to do. He's the
best power play guy on the team. Admittedly small sample,
but that's what I see.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I I know those classic circle guys.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Uh, shit, ain't Marcin, ain't Kindle?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Is something about that number on the power play? Huh
number eighty one. Let's like shills out there again?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Kindle shopmore last night on the power Play? Then fielded
some months.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Would you keep Brunick or send him back to Junior
eight because he was bad for another game?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Comedy in a row now a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I like what you said recently about keeping the kids together,
and that's kind of why I would keep him here.
It doesn't mean that you have to play him every game.
If he has to be scratched back to back games
for his development, that's fine. Put Doomba out there, I'd
keep him. Pickering and Brunick were brutal last night, though,
I mean, just an awful pair. Black hole for that team.
Pickering soft.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
The Penguins host Washington on Thursday at PPG tom It
could be a third loss in a row, although the
you know they're below the peng was in the standings.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
If they do lose though, Might that trigger collapse? Yeah?
I think absolutely.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I think we're always going to be on the look
for a collapse right now, right because of the expectations
were just thrown so askew at the start of the season.
But we thought this team was not going to be
a very good team this year, and you know, still
the same team on paper that we predicted wouldn't be
very good. So I think we're always going to kind
of be looking for Hey, they lost three games in
a row.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Is the bottom falling out now? And it might make
twenty time?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, but that loss last night could be a learning experience.
I hope somebody in that locker room said, look, we
thought too hotly of ourselves, and that is why they lost.
If they would have coming to the third period trying
to grind not the results. But they're used to being
a team that extends lead as opposed to holding leads.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But they're not that team anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
And I could see how that first two periods really
kind of fed into that and then feeling themselves because
they were awesome in this first two periods since pass
to Carlson for the opening goal was so sick and
Gino on the power play Mark when he's like direct traffic,
like get that stick out of my way, and then
he feeds Kindle for the goal.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It was awesome. They were playing great on.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
The last power play. Should have been directing traffic to Kindle.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yeah. I and you know what needs to be said.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I when I coached not to bring my vast but
but illustrious ball hockey coach agreed to this. If we
didn't have a good goalie, I would find an excuse
for the goalie to be doing something else or talk
to one the assistant coach, whatever, and I would say,
listen to the team, we know so and so is
not very good.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, he tries.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We like him. Even if he didn't try and we
didn't like him. But I said, he tries and we
like him. But you got to understand that that you
got to play a certain way in front of a
goalie like that, and you got to get guys to
buy into it. I think with these goalies, and especially
Jari and his proneness to just really bad stretches, the
Penguins have to talk amongst themselves and realize that and.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
That certain way is not letting Austin Matthews sixty goal
scorer to get behind your entire defense for a breakaway
on that said bad goaltender.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, It's like I couldn't believe it was a breakaway,
and then I though it was Matthews, and I really
couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 1 (23:31):
Not VX.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
We got the return for Quinn Williams going to Dallas.
Dallas gave up a second and a first round pick
second this year, first the year after.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And uh, I mean Jerry Jones.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Like I said, they have a fan as their GM
and he thinks he can save this season at.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Three five and one. But he's wrong, He's wrong.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I will say Quinn Williams, he won't have the impact
that Michael Parson's with Dallas, but he will definitely have
impact Tom. I was gonna say that since the Jets
are having a fire sale, not unlike the Diehard with
Timothy Oliphant, is the heel that the Steeler should inquire
for Garrett Wilson to wide out.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
But Rogers and he do not like each other.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
And that may be a mild euphemism for how much
they don't like each other.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah, there's no way that Rogers would would greenlight that.
That just did not work. It was like oil and
water in New York with him Garrett Wilson. When Matt
Williamson actually told me why it was like that one day,
he was just like Gillart, Wilson's a big improviser and
Rogers this no buyo. When you're playing with Rogers, you
got to be where Rogers expects you to be.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I'm not sure Sauce Gardner liked Rogers either. I heard
that that him and Wilson kind of were a unit
of two and felt that it you know that it
was going to be their team, and you know, it
became Rogers's team the minute he got in there, but
part of us because they drafted the boyd toy Zach Wilson.
He failed miserably.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think Sauce and Rodgers had a good relationship at
the beginning, Like I remember when he first got in
your they were popping up like court side at Knicks
games and they were doing a lot of stuff together.
But I think when Rogers didn't deliver on that promise
of greener pastures, Sauce kind of I think it wore
out on him, and then he was kind of becoming
a huge distraction for the team. So yeah, I think
there's I don't know if Sauce doesn't like him like
(25:16):
Garrett Wilson probably doesn't, but I bet you Sauce is
like that dude didn't deliver what I thought he was
going to.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And you know what, the point I made that enough
people haven't picked up on Rogers in New York made
it worse by being on the McAfee show and the
stuff he said. Rogers and Pittsburgh has made a better
by not because Pat's not your friend. If you're a
guest on that show, pass not anybody's friend. Pats f
himself first and second and everybody else.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I would love to know how that you know all
broke too write like whose idea was it? Was it
Rogers saying I'm gonna pull back on that kind of stuff?
Did the Steelers suggest it? Well? First off, was the
guy who recruited Rogers to do it, old teammate from
Green Bay. Yeah, and I would guess the Steelers said,
we'd prefer this something like that in the very genteel way, like,
you know, we don't think this is a good idea.
(26:01):
We're not going to tell you can't, but we would
prefer you don't. And he acquiesced Rogers has been great.
He's done everything right now well, and Rogers is no
dummy either.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I would think that Rogers probably looked at, you know,
the fallout from some of his appearances, you know, on
McAfee in New York and said, Okay, yeah, they're right.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Do you think it was hard to resist that million dollars? Though?
Speaker 2 (26:21):
I don't think a million bucks beats anything to Aaron
Rodgers Tom Social media has overreacting to Penguins loss, and
that's fun, I guess, and I admit it. It's the
type of loss that readily invites overreaction blowing a three
zero lead in the third period. But one guy on
Twitter said, you got to call up Morrishaw from Wilkes.
(26:45):
He's killing it in the AHL and Jarry stinks. Okay,
Morshoff is killing it and Jari does stink. But where
do you think these Penguins are at if you want
to make that move? What's the ceiling with morishoff? Even
if he comes up and is you know what we
hope he is and is morishof for sure one hundred
(27:08):
percent for sure ready to play behind a team that
imploded like the Penguins did last night. Because I'm blaming Jari.
But but the way the Penguins played defensively did not
cover itself in glory. So is he ready to play
in the NHL for sure? And what's gained? You know,
what's the ceiling to rush him? You people out there,
(27:31):
I know you want everything now. If you want everything now,
sell out PPG paints Serena. Maybe then you get more
of a focus on now to repay that. But try
to understand the agenda here.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah. I don't want to like put marishoff in bubble wrap,
but I really want to be extra careful with him
because follow the plan. Yeah sure, and maybe he has
expedited the plan slightly because his play has just been magnificent,
but not expedite it to the point where it's just
a month in the AHL, and then you're right at
the NHL level, a team that's in second place in
the metro and has eighteen points. Like there's pressure there too.
(28:03):
It's like, hey, save us from potentially having a slide here, kid, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Just I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Here's here's the scenario that I could live with is
if they're in a playoff spot in February and you
and you somehow trade Jari or push him down a
flight of steps or.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
He gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, and I'm in ahead with the rubber hose. I
don't I don't care what you do, but but you know,
then I could see it. But the thing is, you
can't call up more Shoff and send Jari down because
then you would be saying, Okay, the goaltending that miraculously
got us here isn't good enough.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
And I think I think the.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Locker room knows how good Morshof is, but I think
that would still disrupt it.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
It might just be the best for the team for
that logo moving forward, for Mehrishov to get a full
AHL season under his belt, go on a playoff run
with the wilkes Bard Baby Penguins, and then next year
come into training camp with eyes on becoming the number
one goalie for the Penguins that season, him and she
Lofts as the kind of the tandem, him kind of
being the one a option.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
It is not yet, James Bond need to know time
this trade deadline today, it's been a pretty good trade deadline.
What's the best trade deadline? I think it might becoming
the NFL. It really is, because there's blockbusters happening more.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know what, the Luca deal in the NBA. NBA
is still very good.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
You know what does suck about about all the trade
deadlines and really all the trades that are made period
and all the sports, they're all something for a draft pick.
And in every sport but baseball, there's too many cap dumps.
Like I used to like when I was a kid,
you would have the player for player trade, you know
what I mean, Like I'm trying to like when the
Pirates traded Tony Pania, who was an All Star catcher
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Cardinals like Lavalliere and I forget who the other guy was,
but they got players who were the basis of being
a really good team, those playoff teams.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Yeah, player for player trades are so rare. You know,
the sport where like the big trade hasn't been happening
as much. And maybe I'm way off. Maybe I'm just
not paying attention to the sport that much. Telling on
myself is baseball. And that was kind of like the
cliche hot stove. If you just referenced that trade with
the Pirates and the Cardinals like that was when you know,
you'd think trade deadline, MLB trade deadline players are going
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to be on the move.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I feel like that's died down slightly.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
You don't see like the big big fish really move
that much at that deadline. But every other sport you
do Marshawn and hockey last year, Luca and basketball sauce
right now.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
In football, yeah, but going back to when I was
a kid, which is way before, when you were a kid,
but when there was a reserve cause you know, and
you could become a free agent. When you made a
trade in baseball, you knew that guy was yours indefinitely,
you know what I mean, you wanted them, so that
made the trades bigger and they wanted to do it,
and like you know there, I mean, there's no cap
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in baseball now, but a lot of trades, like every
trade the Pirates make is made with financial consideration in mind.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, no question.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
But I think football your original question has really picked
up as far as their trade deadline is concerned, because
there was a time I remember as a kid, like
trades in the NFL was were not a thing, Like
you didn't do it in the middle of the season.
It was very very rare offseason you'd see sometimes. But
that has just become such a difference now. I mean,
sauce Gardner I did not see coming. The Jets having
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this huge fire sale, I didn't see coming.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
The sauce Gardner deal is to my mind, almost comparable
to the Luca deal in the NBA. Yeah, I kind
of know what I'm gonna say. More so you know why.
It is a It is a big picture changing deal.
Like now, if you made me pick a team to
(31:36):
win the AFC, I'm not saying I'd pick Indianapolis. You
know what, Right now, I would pick Indianapolis even though
the Steelers just beat them.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
That's a huge deal for them.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I mean, I mean, who would you pick ahead of them?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I still like the Chiefs. You're not gonna like me
on that, but I do like they're not in the
playoffs right now. I know they're not.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
The Bills. Still give me a second place right now.
I know. I know it's tough. It's it's a weird,
weird year with teams that I just don't trust.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yet, for some reason, Indianapolis saw an opening and they
took it. You know why, Tom, because they are serious people.
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Speaker 1 (32:12):
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Speaker 5 (32:21):
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Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's the mark Man for game show on one oh
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Speaker 2 (32:40):
Breaking news, Tom Well breaking news on top of news
we already knew. Adam Schechter of ESPN reports that the
Steelers did make a run to try to trade for
Jacoby Myers, the receiver from Vegas. But we're out bid
by Jacksonville. How did you get up bid by Jacksonville?
And like I said, that offer, I mean, I mean
a fourth and a sixth that's I mean.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I don't think the Raiders got cheated. But if I'm the.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Steelers, like I said, I would have gone as high
as a third and a fifth.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
I mean the way that Chefter worded that, outbid by
the Jags, So what you were offering a fifth round
pick and weren't willing to move off of that?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I mean, what does that even mean? I think you're
not bid by the Jags that too, but you think
it would be.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Like a second round pick came swooping in and it's like,
I'm not giving that for Myers a fourth and a
sixth that outbids you.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
And here's another thing that that that deal reflects on Tom.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Do you think the Jags are better than the Steelers? No,
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I think the Steels are better than the Jags, but
they're roughly the same class.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
I went for a reason. What do you think it's
a better chance the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
The Steelers do okay, But yet the Jags are more
aggressive the deal.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
They're aggressive because they are serious.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well I can't say that because we've had Tony kan
in studio, but they are serious people.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
They're acting more serious than the Steelers are right now
as far as being aggressive at the trade deadline and
trying to get as much as they can out of
their offense.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And they're an offensive minded football team too.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Like that's that's clearly where their motivations are. They got
it Brian Thomas Junior as a receiver. They go out
and trade for this receiver. They're trying everything they can
to make sure that the money they gave Lawrence is
actually wise.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know, Tony Kahan, for those.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Who don't know, is the son of the owner of
the Jaguars, and his family owns not only the Jags,
but Fulham Football Club in England and AEW wrestling, which
which Tony does the creative for.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I think it's hilarious that Tony.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Is involved to some degree in the administration of all
three and his first priorities wrestling.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know how it couldn't be the two other
sports one of those too. He's a fan.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I guess it was all His dream wasn't to run
Fulham or the Jags, it was the promotion.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
All right, well, he's living his dream. I guess I
would love to run the Jazz and I respect that.
I just don't think he's you know, I think he
could use some help. That's a diplomatic way to put it.
What do we got for the trifecta? Tom? All right, Well,
since it is the trade deadlinemark, I've got my three
best trades ever. Number three for me is going to
be trading Jack Parkman to the White Sox to bring Tanaka.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
In tremendous it's the best, which was which let's not
forget that was a salary dump.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It was a salary dump. But Tanaka very valuable, mark,
defensive prowess, good glove. I mean he's scaling the wall.
John runs. Yes, not those Jack Giants. Also a sneaky
value for Tanaka. He got Serrano going little marble bags,
remember right, But that was in Major League two, which
was not good. But Tanaka saved that. Jack Parkman saved it,
or tried to save that movie. A Number two for
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me is the trading of a washing machine for ed monics.
That's just the sign of a very aggressive owner.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
I still think the introduction of monarchs to the Tropics
was one of the best scenes in that movie, which
is Will Ferrell's best movie by far.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
I hmm, it's tough to disagree with that, but there's
just so many that I love. I mean, the other
guys just flies to the top of the list. But
semi pro what a flawless picture.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
He's an old warrior, yeah, he old.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
But the number one trade off has to be Colonel
Hans Landa's escape and freedom and life as a war
hero in exchange for his cooperation in the assassination of
killing Hitler in the Nazi high command, thus ending the
war that night.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That's just a damn good deal. Would you take that deal?
I'd take that deal. I don't blame you damn good deal.
So those are the three best trades ever.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
In fact, I won all the members of Operation Kino
to receive the Medal of Honor.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
He like gives him, yeah the little X sly like
nun almost thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And brad Pitt's just so mad when he does that
best line in the movie.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
To me, brad Pitt couldn't wait to carve the swastik
it his fork to.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Be hyperbolic, because there's so many lines that I'd say
the best line in the movie. But at the end
when he's like he'll be shot for this and he goes, nah,
more like chewed out. I've been chewed out before. Yeah,
he's right there, gonna he actually could have shot hands
Londa and I don't I'm not even sure they wouldn't
have shot him for trees, right, Yeah, No, he would
have been fine, just chewed out, like he said.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But I think it was I think that that Aldo
got more satisfaction of carving the swastik at his head.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
And that was his masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
As he's to Yudovich to close the movie, that's the
only time you actually see it too, and it's just
so gruesome.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Now you get the Broadways practice. Yeah, that that's just
such a good But you know what would have been
I would like to see maybe a short film on
hands Lond his life on Nintucket Island years later.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Like having to go to the store, the corner market
and have to like wear a hat really low and
have it like blow off in the wind or something,
and then everybody sees this giant swastika on his forehead.
It'd be an interesting little like ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Do you think there would have been any like plastic
surgical techniques back then that could have remedied.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
He would have tried, or honestly, do you try to
get a tattoo over top of it?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You know what I mean, like just kind of take
an into like a checkerboard, like a Rubik's cue, or
take a knife to yourself to fix it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, that was You're right, that's the only time you
see all to carve the swasti gag and seeing him
gripping the ground and ripping the turf.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Up right, And they allude to it earlier right in
the movie when they let the one prisoner go after
I remember the bear jew hits them with the bat.
They let the one guy go to tell the story
to Hitler and they kind of like show he takes
off the hat, remember, and they just show Hitler's face
and they're like, they're like horrified on the swastika that
was carved in.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
And by the way, you have to like Hitler as
a semi comedic figure in any movie. Who are what
is a private boots? Okay, we're gonna keep talking about
how the Steelers should have got Sauce Gardner and I'm
not kidding.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I'm right.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
The Steelers are wrong because they are not serious people.
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