October 9, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is demark Man's show. You like it, you love it,
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Tom This ain't a crucial game tonight. But the Islander is,
like I said, or the Penguin's clear cut bogie team,
a bunch of really disappointing playoff eliminations at the hands
of the Islanders. I'm not sure it's a rivalry, but
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I see those jerseys and I'm like, crap, I remember exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I hate the Islanders, but it's not to the level
of a Flyers or a Rangers, right like in the
Capitals of course, Like I view those three as kind
of like a trifecta.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I knew the Flyers is on a whole other level, yeah,
rightestal by themselves, a pedestal of hate. But yeah, I
mean the Islanders more like disappointing. And I still can't
I mean seventy five, eighty one, ninety three, I can't
figure out what the freak happened, Like like twenty one,
I can't Jarry blew it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, that was a clear one to figure out what
went wrong. But the other ones are just so haunting.
I've only heard of them, and they make me shudder.
I've seen twenty twenty one one. I see it over
and over again. I see those I saw those highlights
today pop up when I was scrolling through Twitter, just
from you know, the Penguins playing the Islanders.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Snit. It's the Islanders first game, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know it's funny when the Penguins blew the game
five lead in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Uh it was best of five. Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
John Toinelli scored in overtime after having tied in regulation.
The Penguins led that game three to one late. And
it's amazing to think that the Penguins, who weren't that
good debt, took the eventual four time Stanley Cup champion
Islanders to overtime in a winner take all game that year,
and then they finished dead last and drafted Lemuge just
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two years later. Now that's a pretty I mean, except
for the end result of getting sixty six.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's amazing they fell that hard that fast that year.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They were the only team that took that eventual dynasty
Islanders team to the brink all four years.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was gonna ask you that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Islanders ever faced elimination in a game during their four
year run as Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Chance against those Penguins. I mean, so go figure. So
you almost were the bogee team to them in that aspect.
But you're right, oh that would almost. No, it would
have made up for seventy five. I would have when
we blew the three games Daniel lead and seventy five.
If we would have pulled that off on them in
eighty two, I would have called it even. But then
came ninety three and David Wallick, would you have won
the Stanley Cup? The Penguin would have won the Stanley
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Cup in seventy five.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Do you think no? Okay, then it's different then no.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
In fact, that the reason that the Battleship Kelly, who
was a good player, scored like thirty goals a couple
of years of the Penguin. He was the best fighter
I've ever seen. Like the Flyers were scared of them,
and Battleship Kelly said to me years later in an interview,
he thinks the reason the Penguins lost was because they
had to play the Flyers next, and half the roster
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was just terrified.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They didn't want to play them, right, the broad Street Bullies.
It's interesting, even with Battleship out there, he could take
the whole team on.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
He would have.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Had to have well, no, that's not true. I mean
they had Bob Paradise, who was tough as nails. Pierre
Rous wasn't a fighter, but he was no shrinking violet.
He wasn't scared. I mean I could name the guys
who weren't scared, and in fact Bob Kelly did in
that interview. But but that that was the battleship's theory.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
You know what sucks? You know who sucks that?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That piece of crab king blogger Wasshinsky on ESPN dot com.
He wrote a story openly rooting for sid to leave
Pittsburgh and said that everyone around sid wants that to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And meanwhile, didn't that run parallel to Emily Kaplan did
this really nice story on Sidney Crosby, like highlighting kind
of the more personal side of his life.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Caplin's pro She's she's great. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So it's just so funny to see at the same
outlet put out garbage with Washinsky and then put out
such a great piece with the reason.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
What Shinsky works there and he got that gig after
having had that That popular goof blog is because they
fired all the high priced guys like Lebron and Scott
Burnside and they brought in with Shinsky because he's cheap
and had a name from social media.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But he's he's no pro. He's a hack.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, ESPN got the rights to hockey in this
latest deal and just kind of ignored it, like put
it in the mob closet, forgot it existed. They have
fallen ass backwards or just had great talent on the
roster when they got the deal. Like Kaplan's great. We
know about Boocie and Levy and Barry. We know what
happened to Melrose, but he was amazing for.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You, Barry lin Da kne Yes, Animily, Kaplan's right in
line with that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's a It's amazing to see how stacked they are
from a talent standpoint, and then how minimal attention they
give the sport.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Uh, do you have any new angles for the Steelers
and Brons or are we just going.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
To get it over with?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I think we're just gonna get it over with. It's
funny to see the Browns make that trade yesterday, right
and send Greg Newsom to the Jags like they're open
for business.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, yeah, but but that that dB trade they like
everything I've read, it's they traded.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
This guy for the same guy.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Like there's no real you know jump, you know, for
either team in that trade. It's like they just just
swapped the same guy.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think Newsom's coming up on some more money, so
that might have been the motivation from the Brown side
of things. I guess the Jags just see something in him.
But my point is is like the Browns are selling
off like they they're not fooling themselves of where they are,
and he's.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Selling off for semit here.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's what's weird about lebron did We got a sound
bite later from Kevin Stefanski where he says that he
did not know that Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Was getting traded.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
How the frig does the head coach not know one
of his quarterbacks who began the season as the starter.
How Stefanski Flako's getting traded That owner has them he
wants Sanders to play so bad, and I think Bailey
Zappy from all reports, is gonna be the number two
behind a Gabriel on Sunday, making shudor the emergency guy again.
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What's gonna happen after that? How's the owner gonna react
to that?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I have no idea, but that's exactly how Stefanski and
the staff to know that that move was gonna happen
is because it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Came from ownership he encouraged.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did you see the video, Yes, he looks, he looks dumb. Fine,
he was like, we're still kind of scrambling on rosters.
It moves right now because we were completely blindsided. That
was Haslim telling the GM to do that. So they
force Sanders into that backup role and get him closer
to the field. I would not be surprised, and Stefanski
should push back a bit and make Zappy the backup
quarterback and have a little bit of an internal struggle.
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Don't you think he's gonna I do, And I think
Stefanski is gonna be fired at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, then the Steelers should fire Tomlin in higher sets
because because Stefanski's twice the.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Coach, Tomlin is maybe not that extreme mark, but they
should get him as the OC over Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
No, they should fire Tomlin and bring in Stefanski to
be the head coach. Stefanski's a two time the Coach
of the Year at the end of the season, Tom
Win will have not won a playoff game for eight
straight seasons. Probably by the way, I should have plugged
at the top of the show. We got the CID
interview repeating next and then again at the end of
the Hockey Night Show tonight, because well, that's less work
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for us, and because it was such a great interview. Arguably,
I think the best interview I've ever done was sid
uh Well, the Steeler contain Garrett with their seven offensive linemen,
will seven men be enough to stop one?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I still think he's gonna get like a sack and
half in this game. He's still gonna get to Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Worried about that. We got later Rogers talking about Garrett.
I'm worried that Garrett breaks Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
In half and the season's done for him. Because Garrett
hits hard. He don't just hit other weapons. On defense too,
They're a great defense.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That points per game allowed is just misleading because they
played the Lions and they played the Ravens when they
were healthy. Steelers offense is nowhere near those type of offenses,
So they're gonna get into a rock fight against the Browns.
I think they'll do an okay, job against Garrett, because
I think they're gonna be running away from him constantly.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They're gonna be moving rodgers away from him. They're gonna
be running up to go wid you don't have to go.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
What I would do, like I said yesterday, I'd line
him up right over the hill, Billy. I would put
him in the middle a lot more than normal.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think you're spot on there.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And people even note that when he gets chipped a lot,
it's not as effective against Garrett as other rushers, Like
why because the chip on Watchers pushes wad out wide.
Garrett just dives to the inside of chips and just
takes on guards, takes on centers. I wouldn't it be badass,
And I wouldn't put it past Jim Schwartz to just
line him up on the nose, just right over Fraser
a couple of times, just say all right, let's see it,
he'll Billy, Let's see if you can stop me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On the nose, like right next to him, a little
bit off the shoulder. Yeah, that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Although Garrett, you know, he's not in a slump or sae,
but he's only ninth in the league in sacks uh
with with four heads none in the last two games, so, uh,
Minnesota did well against him in London.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Haven't seen most of that game. I was impressed.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, mean, O'Connell's a great coach. I think he probably
schemed away from Garrett. That's what the Seeer's gonna have
to do. They're gonna have to scheme away from him.
As Rogers says in the SoundBite that you alluded to,
he's a guy that you literally build your entire game
plan around.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Is just one person ninety five.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Do you think Watt and Garrett are extra pump for
this game because they're kind of going head to head,
except they're never on the field together head to head
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, And I think that's why you mentioning. Garrett's in
a little bit of a slump right now. By his standards,
he might wake up and this one at Pittsburgh love
to shut that crowd up, have a big game in
this kind of atmosphere. I think Watt feels the same
way too. He never admit that, but they measure each
other based off of each other. I mean, it's very clear.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That's tom a mark up next.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Sidney Crosby It's the pregame show Don't Forget, brought to
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Speaker 3 (09:20):
They got your back, not your wallet, one oh five nine.
It's they show week mornings at six.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
My guest right now is a three time Stanley Cup champion,
a six time international gold medalist, has had a point
per game for a record twenty straight seasons, and right
now most important, his team is one in zero. There
is only one world. There is only one world's best
hockey player. There is only one Sidney Crosby. So you
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win three nothing you want to know? And it was
pretty concise and buttoned up last night. What was good
about that win?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Sid? I think we were just I thought we were
pretty organized. You know, coming off of training camp and
playing your first game, you expected to be a little choppy,
but I thought, you know, our structure was pretty good
in all three zones, and you know, everybody contributed every line.
I thought cherry play at certain points, came up with
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some big defensive plays when we needed them, and goaltending
was really solid. So I just thought it was just
a solid effort all the way through.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What's it like for you in your twenty first season
to have all those kids in the room, you sit
between Kindle and cloyven In.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What's that do for your energy? Because you were that
kid once?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, I think it helps. I mean, you know, you
see how hungry those guys are and you know that. Yeah,
I think that youth energy is important. You know, the
competition for spot. I think that's something that that can
help and push a group. But yeah, I think yeah,
as a young guy in that position, I remember wanting
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to bring that and you can see that that's something
that naturally that they have too, just because there is
a lot that's new, They're hungry and they want to
prove themselves. So that can definitely help a team.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
How do the kids treat you like in the room?
Do they treat you like you're made of glass or
are they over that? Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It depends. I think that the more you get to
know them, the better. I think the more it's like
like any teammate, you know, whether they're younger or it's
a new teammate, I think you know, it always takes
a little bit to build that comfort level. And when
you've played with guys for a really long time, that's
why it's it's Uh, it's something that is so unique
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because you build that over time. You have that trust
and belief and and that comfort level. So that's something
that just comes with time, I think, but the other
always a bit of a fell out process there.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
How coven and do on your wing last night, I
feel like he has a little bit of Jake potential.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, he sees the ice really well. He can make
little plays, give and goes. He had a great chance
there in the second he made a nice play on
the goalie and just hit the post. He's come really
close a bunch of times, so I would expect him
to put one in here pretty soon. He's been all
around it and and like you said, he's got really
good hockey sense, and that was something that that Kent's has,
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you know, he's he was so so smart and not
the biggest guy, but goes to tough areas and a
lot of similarities there.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Does Covenan watch the iPad with you between shifts? I
wish I could get downe there. I'd watch the iPad.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah. I try to stay away from the iPad as
much as possible, but the odd time we'll take a
peek at it and try to go over things, try
to fast track that learning curve. But for the most part,
you know, playing with him last year in a little
bit through camp that helps too. So it's been pretty good.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
What about Bruni can kindle. I can't believe watching them
last night and in camp that they're nineteen and eighteen.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, I mean, just the poise that they both have.
They skate really well. I think that's probably the biggest
thing that allows them just to make plays and probably
to be confident and comfortable just with the speed, just
because of their own skating ability just buys them that
extra second to make plays and gets them out of trouble.
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You know, Bruno skated himself out of trouble a couple
of times. He made some really good, good plays in
the offensive zone. You know. I thought Kenny was really
good as the game went on, too, even just taking
pucks of the net and being more assertive. And he
played you know, a bunch of preseason games too, so
I think that that probably helps with his confidence. But
you know, they had a really good camp and just
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kind of kept it going into the last night's game.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Now, you didn't have a point last night, and I'm
sure you're not panicked about that, but your two hundred
foot game was very evident, like always. Is that the
toughest thing to maintain after twenty seasons to play the
whole rink all the time?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I don't know. I think you realize over time that
you know, playing good defensively will eventually lead to offense.
So some nights it might not feel like that, but
I think you know, the goal is to get out
of your own zone as quick as possible and create offense.
So if you're good defensively, hopefully that that leads to
either quick odd man rushes or it gets you out
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of there quick and can use your energy trying to
trying to score goals and try to defend them. But yeah,
I think just you know, trying to focus on especially
as a centerman, that's that's part of your responsibility. So
it's not something you really try to get away from.
It's it's part of the game, and it's part of
something that you know, I've tried to do, you know,
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for a long time, So I don't think. I don't
think it's any harder. I think you just is something
that you really have to continue to tingrain the details
and make sure that you know, you're stopping on pucks
and in the right spots and then hopefully that leads
offense as well.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Short, short term answer here, but what's it been like
playing for Dan Mues, your first new head coach in
almost ten years.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's been good. You know, he's really passionate. I thought,
h during camp it was really organized as far as
what we wanted to go over, and you know, trying
to hit so much, it's not easy. It seems like
a long time, but it's really not with so many,
so many players, and you have all those preseason games
with different lineups, so it's not easy, you know, trying
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to get everyone on the same page necessarily, and and
go through all that in a short period of time.
And I thought he did a really good job with that.
I thought there's a lot of competition and the skates
were good. So it carried over into Game one and
hopefully we can just keep getting better with each game.
But he's been he's been really good.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Do you really hate change like I think you do?
Or do I overthink that.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
No, I don't think I hate change. I think like
you have to evolve. I mean, you have to be
able to justin adapt and I would say, like change,
just a change probably bothers me sometimes I think that,
you know, there's there's got to be purpose for it.
But yeah, I think that it just it really depends
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on what it is. But I wouldn't say I'm against it.
I think it's just it's just more about you know,
making sure that there's a purpose and and you know,
if it's not broke, don't fix it. But you've got
to evolve and you got to adapt. So that's that's
part of the two.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We're talking to Sydney Crosby here on the X. This
is season number twenty together for you, Gino and Tanger,
which is unheard of in modern sports.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What makes that special?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Oh, so many things. I mean just I think the
time itself, that's a that's a long time, and you
know nowadays with so much movement and turnover, it's it's
so rare. So I think just the time itself, but
also what makes up that twenty years. I mean we've
been in so many different circumstances, you know, as a
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team individually, we've we've been through a lot, and you
know that's that's been you know, one consistency through it
all is just being teammates and being there for each
other and and being able to experience so many things.
So that's, uh, you know, that's a pretty cool thing
to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
It was also special when Mark Andre Ferry came back
for the curtain calling that exhibition game, wasn't it? And
I bet, as far as you guys are concerned, we
didn't see the best stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you probably saw most
of it. It's hard. It's hard now everything you know,
they get everything now. But I just thought it was
so nice. You know, I played in at the Worlds
and and we lost Denmark, and I thought that was
going to be his last game, so to speak. And
you know, for him to be able to come to Pittsburgh,
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have a couple of days, you know, really you know,
soak it in and then have the response and the
ovation from the crowd and the turnout there that was
that was so special. Really the the perfect way to
be able to draw it up. So he's really happy
with the way that everything worked out and just just
really happy for him. He deserves it and it couldn't
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have really been any better. So it was really cool
that we could be we could be a part of
that too.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Now, on the negative side, he vandalized your car. I
mean if you fixed that taking the decal off the
twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, it took me a bit. That was Actually,
I think he took it easy on us. I thought
I've seen some of his work. I see some of
his work, so I think he took it easy on us.
But I will say he didn't have a lot of
time to scheme up stuff. So you know, that was
that was well done by him. But it will it
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will continue, so we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Now, what are your goals now? And let me cut
you off. I know you're going to say to win,
and it's true. I believe you. I know you, But
come on passing Mario stats maybe two thousand points said
they're going to give you a statue.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You've got to think about some of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
No, I don't. Actually, I'm being honest with you. That's
that's not even on my mind. Yeah, I just you know,
I love to play. I think, even at this age,
I love to learn. I love to to compete and
get better. So I don't I don't think too much
long term. I like to kind of stay in the
present and yeah, I mean, I'm aware of Mario's numbers,
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but that's not I don't think that's what's motivating me
every day. So yeah, hopefully, you know, hopefully to that point.
But yeah, I try not to think too far ahead.
That's just always the way I've approached it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
We know, one thing that motivates you, you want to
win a gold medal for Cana at the Milan Olympics
coming up. I imagine that's made even more fun by
Canada's young guys because I forget who said it, but
they were all fans of you growing up.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, it's a really it's a really cool group. I mean,
we've had a few guys who've been there. You know,
Drew Dowdy was there in Vancouver, so it was you know,
there's a wide range, and with missing a couple, I
think just the hunger to want to be in it,
just the excitement enthusiasm around it is probably at an
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all time high because the fact that we we missed
a couple and then you look at four nations and
how that ended up and just the level of play
and and just the brand of hockey and the intensity
that that was there. I think that got everyone even
more excited. So it's just kind of it's grown and
and I think with it getting closer and closer, just
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the level of hockey and representing your country and everything
that comes with the Olympics itself. Yeah, I just think
it's amazing hockey and everybody just gets really excited for it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Is it different too, because I'm not saying you guys
are the underdog, but I feel like you in the
in the US are neck and neck.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, I mean you could throw some other teams in
there too. I just think the countries are so close now,
and in one game anything can happen, so definitely, you
know with four nations and how close those games were
and how that went. You know, you just you look
at international hockey. You know, we we lost in the
quarters that the Worlds, but it's it's become everyone's become
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so much closer and and in one game, who knows.
So I think that, you know, everybody's got to be
at their best. And you look at the teams, they're
all they're all so skilled and and deep. So that's
that's what makes it so special though. It's just seeing
that amount of talent and uh and the product that's
on the ice is is as good as you're going
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to see?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
How far away are the Penguins from being as good
as you want? Are you encouraged by the direction?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, individually, I
don't look too far ahead as a team. I think
you're just looking to try to try to continue to
get better and and you know, we we go to
every night to try to win games. But you know,
as as you're seeing, there's some younger players, So I
think there's guys that are trying to prove that they're
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you know, their NHL players. You know, every single day,
they're trying to prove that they belong. And I think
that's that's healthy. I think, you know, coming off of
a really good preseason, I think that build some confidence.
As far as the trajector trajectory though, I don't I
don't know. I mean I think there's a lot of
teams probably asking themselves the same question. I don't think
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that you know, we're the only ones, but it's hard
to forecast. I think you just you try to get better,
You try to learn and and try to accelerate that
that learning curve as best you can. But hopefully the
mix of having guys who have been there for a
long time and and can you know, bring some experience
and and add that way. And then some youthful some
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youthful energy, some some young some young guys who are
eager and want to learn and and I want to
show that they belong. Hopefully that combination is something that
that can help us along.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I know you hate the trade talk, and we both
know that the best way to shut it down is
for you guys to win.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Don't you feel that way?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
It's exactly right. I mean, yeah, winning just has a
way of curing curing all. So yeah, there's nothing more
than I'd love is just to you know, to keep
keep getting wins and not have to worry about even
you know, going into that discussion.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You know you've become a really good interview.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Do you remember the first time we talked our our buddy,
the Riz brought you down to that restaurant at the
hotel across the street from the arena, steel Head, the Steelhead, right,
you were eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Your parents were there. It was just do you remember
that at all?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I do. It was packed too, I remember it was.
It was packed in there, and uh, you had to
set up. I think in one of the corners, right right, Yeah, yeah, no,
it was right. It was right across the street from
the melons, so yeah, I remember, I remember that for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, of course it was packed. Sidney Crosby just got
to town.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
In closing, as always, I ask are you married, engaged?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
They're gonna be a father soon.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Nothing new to update you there.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Someday we're gonna break news, I swear to God, sid
As always, it's a it's a pleasure having you on
a good job last night.
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We'll see at the opener tomorrow night.
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Okay, thanks for having me.
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X DOUBLEE with Tom off from and Tom Let's talk
some Penguins. Are you surprised that Jari's getting the start
and goal tonight for the home opener and not Archer
Shilloffs after the shutout at Manhattan on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm definitely surprised.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I thought she loves to earn the net again, and
I thought mus would definitely go to him.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I'm not upset that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I know, I don't think it's a bad decision. It's
just not what I would have done. But I understand
he wants to get both goalies involved. But I might
have started Shilloffs again because of the momentum from Tuesday
shutout and gone with Jari at home against the Rangers
on Saturday. Shiloff's assuming he plays Saturday, that'll be two
starts in a row against the same team, and that
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can help him, but can help them too.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And do you think Sullivan's like pissed because he's not
going to get the face Jarry after all the years
of coaching Jarry.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, we don't know that. Yeah, he could go Jarry
back one.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
If Jarry pitches it shut out tonight, what if the
intent always has been the Joys the number one and
Shiloffs just started the first game.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I would love to see this game play out in
a very similar manner. In front of the goaltender. Then
play extremely structurally sound, play really good defense in front
of him, make the saves easy, right like she Loves
didn't really dazzle in that game. He just made the
saves that he had to make. I want to see
Jarry get put in that same position because I think
he'll give up two or three goals and we will
know all we need to know.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I hope they played the same way in front of him,
because if you are serious about trying to make the
playoffs with this roster, that's how they they have to operate. Uh,
it's only one game, but what's your hunch, Well, Brunick
stay all season.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm in on Brunick staying all season, especially if damn
you played him about fifteen minutes in game one.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
If that continues, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because that if he gets the ice time and he
just won't get better at junior. He's on crone junior,
just like McKenna, not to the same degree, but the
same concept.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
The big worry would be to make the Penguins to
avoid Junior and then play eight minutes a night. But
if it's going to be fifteen sixteen minutes, maybe that
increases to Mark, Like maybe after Thanksgiving he's really starting
to get his feet under him. You move him up
to him maybe closer to twenty minutes, maybe even put
him on that second Pairge toy rownd with some stuff
with him.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But I'm just saying it's a good start.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And I think he says, well, Kindle stay all season,
and I can tell you for certain that is not
in the plan.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I don't think he will. And I was playing it
was great Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, I was planning on asking you today is there
anything he can do over these now next day games?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That almost forced us.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
That I talk I talked to a Penguin insideer and
I don't know if this is being considered by Muse,
but the idea that this guy came up with was
to play Kindle on Sid's right wing because he thinks
just a little bit, he's seen a Kindle that Kendall
thinks the game like Sid and guys like that are
invaluable like Jake Gonzil made himself into the you know
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level player he did because he thinks the game like
Sid more so than Jake's palette. To be blunt, bigger
example way back when Robbie Brown skate as if he
were in molasses, but he thought the game like Mario
and had a one hundred and fifteen point season because
of it. You want guys who think akin to the stars,
and uh, if that's the hunch that Kindall does, I
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would give him a shot on Sid's wing.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Haven't you said that?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
The hunch is there with coyven in two though, that
he can think the game at a high level as well.
I think you talked about that with said too.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think Conan has some Genzel potential, yes, Kindall to me,
although he played very well for an eighteen year old
at MSG making that debut, being the third line center
needs a little be a little bit stronger, don't you
think Mark this needs to get a little bit of
the strength.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Though, probably, but it wasn't overwhelming that he got bumped
around too much, just a little bit, I think in
that game.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, I don't know, And it would be different on
Sid's wing. The playing center like you did. It's true,
you know in the opener, but major point. I like
what we see from Kindle and I would like to
see that experiment because I think.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
This year has to have a lot of that to
move the team forward.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Now, what about the experiment of three six foot five
guys on the same line with Brawsers and and uh
Manta and Egenny Molt. It certainly looked good and it
got the couple goals. What do you think is that
a good idea and should they keep going?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't know if it's a good idea, Mark, but
I'll tell you what it is. It's more different, right,
It's something different with the penguins. They have size. Now
they have an actual line of forwards.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
It's big.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And would you say that any of those guys really
play super big, like have a physical presence Manna. No,
So it's really kind of like you're just off the
bus and you look the part. But still I like it.
I like having those trees out there. I bet you
it doesn't last, though, because once they get people healthy,
until they trade people off, you can't rush them.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Orty Pop into the top six, absolutely so, but I
like it temporarily like it because Gino's not that fast now,
so it's it's a different true that he gets and
other teams get checking Gina and I here's something they'll
never do.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
But it's way out.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
What have you kept that line together because it succeeds
and ultimately your third line would be Kindle, rust and McGroarty.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean that actually intrigues me a lot and excites
the potential of what Kindle could become playing with those
type of wings. I just I'm in the camp that
Kendle's gonna be playing in juniors this year.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I don't think. I think you're probably right.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I would call them Malkin line while lasts the Godzilla
line because history shows again and again, Uh, who's gonna
wind up being the number one goalie? I think we
touched on the starter. Who who do you think will
play more games? I think whoever's number two will wind
up playing thirty some odd games.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Anyway, I'm glad you phrased it that way because I
don't know if there's a true number one goalie like
going to take seventy five seventy percent of the starts here,
but I think she loves By the end of the year,
will end up being in the net more often.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I think Joy by the end of year could wind
up back in Wilkes.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
That bad.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, that begs this question, and it's another one we've
we've explored the way out there stuff in this segment.
But say the Penguins are third or better in the
Metro Division after Thanksgiving? Do you summon Morrishoff because you
know he's the best goalie in your system, or do
you stick with Jarry and Shiloffs.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I summoned Myrishov because if we're in third placed.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
How he's playing in Wilkes.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, But if say he's playing like we expect him
to play, and you have said that if the defense
was better and if the team was better, he probably
would have made the team this year. He looks like
he might be ready if they're in third place come Thanksgiving.
I assume the blue line is better than we could
have ever imagined, and I assume she LOFs is actually
playing pretty well as kind of the lead goalie in
that Jarry she Lofts handing. So I replaced Jari with Mirischoff.
You don't have to put the pressure on Marishof.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I replaced whoever's playing worse of the two with Miroschof.
I don't want to kind of joy before he's.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Played a game, although that's the way I'm leaning. Yeah,
I lean that.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So let's pretend Jarry is the one that's out, and
then you just roll forward with She loves and Mirischov.
And I like not having to put the pressure on Mirischov.
He can kind of be that one beat as she loves.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Here's my prediction for tonight, Penguins winning overtime and Sid
scores the winner.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You watch.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I like that prediction. I'll just I'll make a little
bit of a lesser prediction. He's just gonna get on
the board tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Sid.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think I think he was a little salty. He
didn't score on the opener, I don't think so we
don't know he won. He won all he cares about
that he cares about That's a good point. I was
just wondering, you know, the opening night you like to put.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
A but he was beaming talking after the game.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
So and he was flying up and down the ice,
and there was nobody better when Mark when there was
like a hold up of a puck against the wall,
he was just muscling in there.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Picking there was a shift in the third with the
peng was up one nil, where he was don low
below the goal line, you know, like grinding the puck
because he's the best grinder ever, no doubt, even though
he hates being called that, and the Rangers just couldn't
handle it.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
They couldn't handle It's just a dance, honestly, and I
love too.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
He didn't really do that in this game, but I
love when he gets somebody on his hip and he
just goes back and forth with the puck and they
just have no they kinking around him.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Rangers are bad. I wonder if Sally really knows it yet.
I know, I know it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, you were on it even before losing to the
Penguins and looking so.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Far, so many holes in that roster.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
The Metro is sneaky open right now. As far as
the top three hurt, Caroline is a lock. I think
that's the only one I think is a lock. I
don't think they'll make the Cup final like some people do.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
They might. I don't know they might.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I mean they're gonna get an easy ride, probably through
the Metro playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think the Camp and Florida hate each other.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
They had an exhibition game that went amuck the other night.
If they play in that and then you gotta play.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Toronto too, I think the Caps might take a step
back this year too.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Tom One last quick thing.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You know what I'm already curious about because I predicted
a win in overtime.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Who will Muse playing overtime?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Because that's a narrow bench by nature three on three,
Selly played only the veterans. I wonder if Muse will
play Brunick, Kendall or Clovenon.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I wonder if he taps into that what we were
talking talking about with the IQ of Kindle and put
Sid and Kindle out there as forwards with maybe like
a tanger or something like that to start over time.
I would I would actually kind of like to see that.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
They could put out Kindle, Sid and Carlson he would
sit out there. They could just turn to the gold
and say, yeah, good luck with this. Although Carlson had
that great assist in the last exhibition game. Defeed, sid
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Speaker 3 (36:49):
Tom Nod's time for the trifecta. What do you got
for today's triffector?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
We already talked on today's show about how the Islanders
are the Penguin's Bogie team. They have really those three
big moments where they wear the Bogey team to the Penguins.
I'm gonna rank him in terms of least painful to
most painful. Three two one ahead, I bet, I bet
we disagreed.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Number three.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm gonna go with the most recent one, Jari in
twenty twenty one. That's really the only one that I've
seen with my own, not one of.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
The legitimately most painful ones.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
But go ahead, Okay, fine, sure, exactly, and again I
witnessed it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'll go seventy five, up three to zero in the
aisles and then collapsing, having them win four straight games.
And then I'll go ninety three at number one. I've
heard so many people just tell me that ninety three
might have been even better than ninety one, and ninety
two could have been the best Penguins team of all time.
And then they lose to the Stephen says that David Bolck,
he says.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
He says that that was the best Penguins team. The
Penguins trailed three to one late in Game seven, came back. Yeah,
he scored twice late, but then Bollock scored on a
pretty bad angle shot. I'm not blaming Tom Barrasso, even
though I'd like to, because things should have been well
in hand before that.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, can you blame him on who scored from the
blue line?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Who was the guy who just came down and took
a clap bomb from the blue line like before he
even got into the offensive.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Even to ninety six against Florida. No, this was in
the Islanders game, your Penguin executive Tom Fitzgerald ninety six.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
From just inside the blue line in Game seven of
the Conference final.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, okay, here's how i'd rank him.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I would throw out twenty one because that just was
you know, that was the last gasp of a fading
Stanley Cup winner. I didn't have any expectations beyond that series,
although if if they had won that series a little
moment or beat the Rangers in twenty two, who knows,
especially the Rangers because they have three games to one.
But it was a freaking The most heartbreaking was seventy
(38:33):
five for me because I was fourteen years old.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
That makes sense for you.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
We would have got to the semifinals for the second
time ever, and it was easy to get to the semifinals.
Not long before that. We did it in sixty nine
because you only had to win one round to get
to the semi final. If this was in the second round,
you would have won, correct. Yeah, if we had won
a preliminary round to get to the Islander series in
seventy five ninety three, you're right because that was the
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arguably the best Penguin team of all time. Although even
though Kevin steven says it's the best team, Rick Toockett say, nah,
best team we would have won, period.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I can't argue with that, really no.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And I would put eighty two with Tanelli just because
that would have been such an egregious upsete we had
been done. That was the best of five first round series.
We were don two games to none. Got killed, got
killed in games one and two. I was at Game
three Andre Saint Laurn scored in overtime to pro I
think that was game three, maybe four, but I saw
(39:29):
the sant l Ran overtime goal, and like I said,
the Penguins lad three to one with I want to
say six or seven minutes left in Game five at
New York.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I'm sure that was extremely painful for you to go through,
but for me looking back at this, and this is
why I kind of paused when you said I left
one out.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I knew it was going to be that. You look
at that.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
You would have been the bogie team for the Islanders then,
like you were the team pool in the upset. You
were the team that didn't have anything to lose. They
were the team that was on the Vergin No, no, no,
I'm talking about eighty one, eighty two.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
The other one. They were in the middle of their dynasty.
They had already won two.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So I mean, like, the dynamic is so different looking
back then that it's not really painful to look at that.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It was painful, but you're right, it didn't defy expectations.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right the other ones though. I mean, you blew a
three zero lead in seventy five and I know I
was there.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I mean I was at that game seven, I was
in all the games then we had season tickets. But
that was you know what, I'll never forget two sounds,
the sound of Pierre Lerouge hitting the post and it
not going in, and the sound of Eddie West falls
back in, and the third hitting the post and going in.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
There's almost nothing worse in playoff hockey than hitting the
post and not coming away with anything and hearing that
loud I think, and knowing how close you were, had
the goalie pretty much beat and you just missed.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We thought we'd come back the next year and do well,
and we didn't. I think we lost in the preliminary round.
It just whatever that team had in seventy five disappeared
very quickly. And it was a good team we had.
We had, you know, Apps, Pronovo and McDonald. I'm naming
guys people have long since forgotten. Pierre Ruce, Battleship, Kelly.
I think the right wing was Chuck Arnison. We had
a tough deep. We had Ron Stakkos who was a
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very good offensive defenseman. Gary Innis had kind of a
once in a lifetime type of season in goal. But
it was It was a decent team. I have very
fond memories of that team.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
If not the end, the Islanders are just so annoying,
like they're not a true rival like we established, but
they're just such an annoying team, like a nat buzzing
around an elephant that you just keep trying to whack
away from you.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Not in the early eighties, they weren't true in the
early eighties, they were the freaking allan then became the
em they stepped on you. It was like, like again,
amazing that except for that at best of five the
Penguins lost in eighty two. That was the only time
the Islanders faced an elimination series. Know, I felt really
bad for even though I did not know him. Then
Herb Brooks went to coach the Rangers after the Olympics, right,
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and the Rangers might have been the second best team
in hockey. But you know then, as now the playoff
state in the division, Herb didn't have a freaking chance.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
They played in the first round, first or second. We
just didn't have a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
But it's kind of like how it is now right
where you kind of force feed those matchups early instead
of those were the two best teams they should have
met in the conference final?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Were those the two best teams? That's so long.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
But as I recall, because her got Herb got the
perfect blended guys to do that hybrid stuff the euro
and you know, he had a lot of Olympias like
Pavlich and McClanahan and uh and you know, you know
it's funny though, here's what made Herb a great coach.
He went to New Jersey with just had pluggers, so
he played defense like Herb would just adapt.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
So many coaches like Sully here just won't adapt.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Who's better adapt to the taking down a dynasty too
than Herb? I mean, what a good tribe by the
Rangers to try to dethrone the Islanders.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I'm just as glad we didn't play the Russians best
as seven what oh five ninety x
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Tom This ain't a crucial game tonight. But the Islander is,
like I said, or the Penguin's clear cut bogie team,
a bunch of really disappointing playoff eliminations at the hands
of the Islanders. I'm not sure it's a rivalry, but
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I see those jerseys and I'm like, crap, I remember exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I hate the Islanders, but it's not to the level
of a Flyers or a Rangers, right like in the
Capitals of course, Like I view those three as kind
of like a trifecta.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I knew the Flyers is on a whole other level, yeah,
rightestal by themselves, a pedestal of hate. But yeah, I
mean the Islanders more like disappointing. And I still can't
I mean seventy five, eighty one, ninety three, I can't
figure out what the freak happened, Like like twenty one,
I can't Jarry blew it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, that was a clear one to figure out what
went wrong. But the other ones are just so haunting.
I've only heard of them, and they make me shudder.
I've seen twenty twenty one one. I see it over
and over again. I see those I saw those highlights
today pop up when I was scrolling through Twitter, just
from you know, the Penguins playing the Islanders.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Snit. It's the Islanders first game, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
You know it's funny when the Penguins blew the game
five lead in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Uh it was best of five. Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
John Toinelli scored in overtime after having tied in regulation.
The Penguins led that game three to one late. And
it's amazing to think that the Penguins, who weren't that
good debt, took the eventual four time Stanley Cup champion
Islanders to overtime in a winner take all game that year,
and then they finished dead last and drafted Lemuge just
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two years later. Now that's a pretty I mean, except
for the end result of getting sixty six.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's amazing they fell that hard that fast that year.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
They were the only team that took that eventual dynasty
Islanders team to the brink all four years.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I was gonna ask you that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Islanders ever faced elimination in a game during their four
year run as Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Chance against those Penguins. I mean, so go figure. So
you almost were the bogee team to them in that aspect.
But you're right, oh that would almost. No, it would
have made up for seventy five. I would have when
we blew the three games Daniel lead and seventy five.
If we would have pulled that off on them in
eighty two, I would have called it even. But then
came ninety three and David Wallick, would you have won
the Stanley Cup? The Penguin would have won the Stanley
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Cup in seventy five.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Do you think no? Okay, then it's different then no.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
In fact, that the reason that the Battleship Kelly, who
was a good player, scored like thirty goals a couple
of years of the Penguin. He was the best fighter
I've ever seen. Like the Flyers were scared of them,
and Battleship Kelly said to me years later in an interview,
he thinks the reason the Penguins lost was because they
had to play the Flyers next, and half the roster
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was just terrified.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
They didn't want to play them, right, the broad Street Bullies.
It's interesting, even with Battleship out there, he could take
the whole team on.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
He would have.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Had to have well, no, that's not true. I mean
they had Bob Paradise, who was tough as nails. Pierre
Rous wasn't a fighter, but he was no shrinking violet.
He wasn't scared. I mean I could name the guys
who weren't scared, and in fact Bob Kelly did in
that interview. But but that that was the battleship's theory.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
You know what sucks? You know who sucks that?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
That piece of crab king blogger Wasshinsky on ESPN dot com.
He wrote a story openly rooting for sid to leave
Pittsburgh and said that everyone around sid wants that to happen.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And meanwhile, didn't that run parallel to Emily Kaplan did
this really nice story on Sidney Crosby, like highlighting kind
of the more personal side of his life.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Caplin's pro She's she's great. Yeah, she's great.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So it's just so funny to see at the same
outlet put out garbage with Washinsky and then put out
such a great piece with the reason.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
What Shinsky works there and he got that gig after
having had that That popular goof blog is because they
fired all the high priced guys like Lebron and Scott
Burnside and they brought in with Shinsky because he's cheap
and had a name from social media.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But he's he's no pro. He's a hack.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, ESPN got the rights to hockey in this
latest deal and just kind of ignored it, like put
it in the mob closet, forgot it existed. They have
fallen ass backwards or just had great talent on the
roster when they got the deal. Like Kaplan's great. We
know about Boocie and Levy and Barry. We know what
happened to Melrose, but he was amazing for.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You, Barry lin Da kne Yes, Animily, Kaplan's right in
line with that.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's a It's amazing to see how stacked they are
from a talent standpoint, and then how minimal attention they
give the sport.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Uh, do you have any new angles for the Steelers
and Brons or are we just going.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
To get it over with?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I think we're just gonna get it over with. It's
funny to see the Browns make that trade yesterday, right
and send Greg Newsom to the Jags like they're open
for business.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, yeah, but but that that dB trade they like
everything I've read, it's they traded.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
This guy for the same guy.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Like there's no real you know jump, you know, for
either team in that trade. It's like they just just
swapped the same guy.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I think Newsom's coming up on some more money, so
that might have been the motivation from the Brown side
of things. I guess the Jags just see something in him.
But my point is is like the Browns are selling
off like they they're not fooling themselves of where they are,
and he's.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Selling off for semit here.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's what's weird about lebron did We got a sound
bite later from Kevin Stefanski where he says that he
did not know that Joe Flacco.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Was getting traded.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
How the frig does the head coach not know one
of his quarterbacks who began the season as the starter.
How Stefanski Flako's getting traded That owner has them he
wants Sanders to play so bad, and I think Bailey
Zappy from all reports, is gonna be the number two
behind a Gabriel on Sunday, making shudor the emergency guy again.
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What's gonna happen after that? How's the owner gonna react
to that?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I have no idea, but that's exactly how Stefanski and
the staff to know that that move was gonna happen
is because it.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Came from ownership he encouraged.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Did you see the video, Yes, he looks, he looks dumb. Fine,
he was like, we're still kind of scrambling on rosters.
It moves right now because we were completely blindsided. That
was Haslim telling the GM to do that. So they
force Sanders into that backup role and get him closer
to the field. I would not be surprised, and Stefanski
should push back a bit and make Zappy the backup
quarterback and have a little bit of an internal struggle.
(06:17):
Don't you think he's gonna I do, And I think
Stefanski is gonna be fired at the end of the season.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, then the Steelers should fire Tomlin in higher sets
because because Stefanski's twice the.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Coach, Tomlin is maybe not that extreme mark, but they
should get him as the OC over Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
No, they should fire Tomlin and bring in Stefanski to
be the head coach. Stefanski's a two time the Coach
of the Year at the end of the season, Tom
Win will have not won a playoff game for eight
straight seasons. Probably by the way, I should have plugged
at the top of the show. We got the CID
interview repeating next and then again at the end of
the Hockey Night Show tonight, because well, that's less work
(06:52):
for us, and because it was such a great interview. Arguably,
I think the best interview I've ever done was sid
uh Well, the Steeler contain Garrett with their seven offensive linemen,
will seven men be enough to stop one?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I still think he's gonna get like a sack and
half in this game. He's still gonna get to Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Worried about that. We got later Rogers talking about Garrett.
I'm worried that Garrett breaks Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
In half and the season's done for him. Because Garrett
hits hard. He don't just hit other weapons. On defense too,
They're a great defense.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That points per game allowed is just misleading because they
played the Lions and they played the Ravens when they
were healthy. Steelers offense is nowhere near those type of offenses,
So they're gonna get into a rock fight against the Browns.
I think they'll do an okay, job against Garrett, because
I think they're gonna be running away from him constantly.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
They're gonna be moving rodgers away from him. They're gonna
be running up to go wid you don't have to go.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
What I would do, like I said yesterday, I'd line
him up right over the hill, Billy. I would put
him in the middle a lot more than normal.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think you're spot on there.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
And people even note that when he gets chipped a lot,
it's not as effective against Garrett as other rushers, Like
why because the chip on Watchers pushes wad out wide.
Garrett just dives to the inside of chips and just
takes on guards, takes on centers. I wouldn't it be badass,
And I wouldn't put it past Jim Schwartz to just
line him up on the nose, just right over Fraser
a couple of times, just say all right, let's see it,
he'll Billy, Let's see if you can stop me.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
On the nose, like right next to him, a little
bit off the shoulder. Yeah, that's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Although Garrett, you know, he's not in a slump or sae,
but he's only ninth in the league in sacks uh
with with four heads none in the last two games, so, uh,
Minnesota did well against him in London.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Haven't seen most of that game. I was impressed.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, mean, O'Connell's a great coach. I think he probably
schemed away from Garrett. That's what the Seeer's gonna have
to do. They're gonna have to scheme away from him.
As Rogers says in the SoundBite that you alluded to,
he's a guy that you literally build your entire game
plan around.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Is just one person ninety five.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Do you think Watt and Garrett are extra pump for
this game because they're kind of going head to head,
except they're never on the field together head to head
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, And I think that's why you mentioning. Garrett's in
a little bit of a slump right now. By his standards,
he might wake up and this one at Pittsburgh love
to shut that crowd up, have a big game in
this kind of atmosphere. I think Watt feels the same
way too. He never admit that, but they measure each
other based off of each other. I mean, it's very clear.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
That's tom a mark up next.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Sidney Crosby It's the pregame show Don't Forget, brought to
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Speaker 3 (09:20):
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It's they show week mornings at six.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
My guest right now is a three time Stanley Cup champion,
a six time international gold medalist, has had a point
per game for a record twenty straight seasons, and right
now most important, his team is one in zero. There
is only one world. There is only one world's best
hockey player. There is only one Sidney Crosby. So you
(10:02):
win three nothing you want to know? And it was
pretty concise and buttoned up last night. What was good
about that win?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Sid? I think we were just I thought we were
pretty organized. You know, coming off of training camp and
playing your first game, you expected to be a little choppy,
but I thought, you know, our structure was pretty good
in all three zones, and you know, everybody contributed every line.
I thought cherry play at certain points, came up with
(10:29):
some big defensive plays when we needed them, and goaltending
was really solid. So I just thought it was just
a solid effort all the way through.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
What's it like for you in your twenty first season
to have all those kids in the room, you sit
between Kindle and cloyven In.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
What's that do for your energy? Because you were that
kid once?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, I think it helps. I mean, you know, you
see how hungry those guys are and you know that. Yeah,
I think that youth energy is important. You know, the
competition for spot. I think that's something that that can
help and push a group. But yeah, I think yeah,
as a young guy in that position, I remember wanting
(11:10):
to bring that and you can see that that's something
that naturally that they have too, just because there is
a lot that's new, They're hungry and they want to
prove themselves. So that can definitely help a team.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
How do the kids treat you like in the room?
Do they treat you like you're made of glass or
are they over that? Uh?
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It depends. I think that the more you get to
know them, the better. I think the more it's like
like any teammate, you know, whether they're younger or it's
a new teammate, I think you know, it always takes
a little bit to build that comfort level. And when
you've played with guys for a really long time, that's
why it's it's Uh, it's something that is so unique
(11:51):
because you build that over time. You have that trust
and belief and and that comfort level. So that's something
that just comes with time, I think, but the other
always a bit of a fell out process there.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
How coven and do on your wing last night, I
feel like he has a little bit of Jake potential.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, he sees the ice really well. He can make
little plays, give and goes. He had a great chance
there in the second he made a nice play on
the goalie and just hit the post. He's come really
close a bunch of times, so I would expect him
to put one in here pretty soon. He's been all
around it and and like you said, he's got really
good hockey sense, and that was something that that Kent's has,
(12:31):
you know, he's he was so so smart and not
the biggest guy, but goes to tough areas and a
lot of similarities there.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Does Covenan watch the iPad with you between shifts? I
wish I could get downe there. I'd watch the iPad.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah. I try to stay away from the iPad as
much as possible, but the odd time we'll take a
peek at it and try to go over things, try
to fast track that learning curve. But for the most part,
you know, playing with him last year in a little
bit through camp that helps too. So it's been pretty good.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
What about Bruni can kindle. I can't believe watching them
last night and in camp that they're nineteen and eighteen.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, I mean, just the poise that they both have.
They skate really well. I think that's probably the biggest
thing that allows them just to make plays and probably
to be confident and comfortable just with the speed, just
because of their own skating ability just buys them that
extra second to make plays and gets them out of trouble.
(13:35):
You know, Bruno skated himself out of trouble a couple
of times. He made some really good, good plays in
the offensive zone. You know. I thought Kenny was really
good as the game went on, too, even just taking
pucks of the net and being more assertive. And he
played you know, a bunch of preseason games too, so
I think that that probably helps with his confidence. But
you know, they had a really good camp and just
(13:56):
kind of kept it going into the last night's game.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Now, you didn't have a point last night, and I'm
sure you're not panicked about that, but your two hundred
foot game was very evident, like always. Is that the
toughest thing to maintain after twenty seasons to play the
whole rink all the time?
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I don't know. I think you realize over time that
you know, playing good defensively will eventually lead to offense.
So some nights it might not feel like that, but
I think you know, the goal is to get out
of your own zone as quick as possible and create offense.
So if you're good defensively, hopefully that that leads to
either quick odd man rushes or it gets you out
(14:34):
of there quick and can use your energy trying to
trying to score goals and try to defend them. But yeah,
I think just you know, trying to focus on especially
as a centerman, that's that's part of your responsibility. So
it's not something you really try to get away from.
It's it's part of the game, and it's part of
something that you know, I've tried to do, you know,
(14:55):
for a long time, So I don't think. I don't
think it's any harder. I think you just is something
that you really have to continue to tingrain the details
and make sure that you know, you're stopping on pucks
and in the right spots and then hopefully that leads
offense as well.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Short, short term answer here, but what's it been like
playing for Dan Mues, your first new head coach in
almost ten years.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
It's been good. You know, he's really passionate. I thought,
h during camp it was really organized as far as
what we wanted to go over, and you know, trying
to hit so much, it's not easy. It seems like
a long time, but it's really not with so many,
so many players, and you have all those preseason games
with different lineups, so it's not easy, you know, trying
(15:41):
to get everyone on the same page necessarily, and and
go through all that in a short period of time.
And I thought he did a really good job with that.
I thought there's a lot of competition and the skates
were good. So it carried over into Game one and
hopefully we can just keep getting better with each game.
But he's been he's been really good.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Do you really hate change like I think you do?
Or do I overthink that.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
No, I don't think I hate change. I think like
you have to evolve. I mean, you have to be
able to justin adapt and I would say, like change,
just a change probably bothers me sometimes I think that,
you know, there's there's got to be purpose for it.
But yeah, I think that it just it really depends
(16:27):
on what it is. But I wouldn't say I'm against it.
I think it's just it's just more about you know,
making sure that there's a purpose and and you know,
if it's not broke, don't fix it. But you've got
to evolve and you got to adapt. So that's that's
part of the two.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
We're talking to Sydney Crosby here on the X. This
is season number twenty together for you, Gino and Tanger,
which is unheard of in modern sports.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What makes that special?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Oh, so many things. I mean just I think the
time itself, that's a that's a long time, and you
know nowadays with so much movement and turnover, it's it's
so rare. So I think just the time itself, but
also what makes up that twenty years. I mean we've
been in so many different circumstances, you know, as a
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team individually, we've we've been through a lot, and you
know that's that's been you know, one consistency through it
all is just being teammates and being there for each
other and and being able to experience so many things.
So that's, uh, you know, that's a pretty cool thing
to be a part of.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
It was also special when Mark Andre Ferry came back
for the curtain calling that exhibition game, wasn't it? And
I bet, as far as you guys are concerned, we
didn't see the best stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, you probably saw most
of it. It's hard. It's hard now everything you know,
they get everything now. But I just thought it was
so nice. You know, I played in at the Worlds
and and we lost Denmark, and I thought that was
going to be his last game, so to speak. And
you know, for him to be able to come to Pittsburgh,
(18:07):
have a couple of days, you know, really you know,
soak it in and then have the response and the
ovation from the crowd and the turnout there that was
that was so special. Really the the perfect way to
be able to draw it up. So he's really happy
with the way that everything worked out and just just
really happy for him. He deserves it and it couldn't
(18:29):
have really been any better. So it was really cool
that we could be we could be a part of
that too.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Now, on the negative side, he vandalized your car. I
mean if you fixed that taking the decal off the
twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, it took me a bit. That was Actually,
I think he took it easy on us. I thought
I've seen some of his work. I see some of
his work, so I think he took it easy on us.
But I will say he didn't have a lot of
time to scheme up stuff. So you know, that was
that was well done by him. But it will it
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will continue, so we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Now, what are your goals now? And let me cut
you off. I know you're going to say to win,
and it's true. I believe you. I know you, But
come on passing Mario stats maybe two thousand points said
they're going to give you a statue.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You've got to think about some of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
No, I don't. Actually, I'm being honest with you. That's
that's not even on my mind. Yeah, I just you know,
I love to play. I think, even at this age,
I love to learn. I love to to compete and
get better. So I don't I don't think too much
long term. I like to kind of stay in the
present and yeah, I mean, I'm aware of Mario's numbers,
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but that's not I don't think that's what's motivating me
every day. So yeah, hopefully, you know, hopefully to that point.
But yeah, I try not to think too far ahead.
That's just always the way I've approached it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
We know, one thing that motivates you, you want to
win a gold medal for Cana at the Milan Olympics
coming up. I imagine that's made even more fun by
Canada's young guys because I forget who said it, but
they were all fans of you growing up.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Yeah, it's a really it's a really cool group. I mean,
we've had a few guys who've been there. You know,
Drew Dowdy was there in Vancouver, so it was you know,
there's a wide range, and with missing a couple, I
think just the hunger to want to be in it,
just the excitement enthusiasm around it is probably at an
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all time high because the fact that we we missed
a couple and then you look at four nations and
how that ended up and just the level of play
and and just the brand of hockey and the intensity
that that was there. I think that got everyone even
more excited. So it's just kind of it's grown and
and I think with it getting closer and closer, just
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the level of hockey and representing your country and everything
that comes with the Olympics itself. Yeah, I just think
it's amazing hockey and everybody just gets really excited for it.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Is it different too, because I'm not saying you guys
are the underdog, but I feel like you in the
in the US are neck and neck.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, I mean you could throw some other teams in
there too. I just think the countries are so close now,
and in one game anything can happen, so definitely, you
know with four nations and how close those games were
and how that went. You know, you just you look
at international hockey. You know, we we lost in the
quarters that the Worlds, but it's it's become everyone's become
(21:37):
so much closer and and in one game, who knows.
So I think that, you know, everybody's got to be
at their best. And you look at the teams, they're
all they're all so skilled and and deep. So that's
that's what makes it so special though. It's just seeing
that amount of talent and uh and the product that's
on the ice is is as good as you're going
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to see?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
How far away are the Penguins from being as good
as you want? Are you encouraged by the direction?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, individually, I
don't look too far ahead as a team. I think
you're just looking to try to try to continue to
get better and and you know, we we go to
every night to try to win games. But you know,
as as you're seeing, there's some younger players, So I
think there's guys that are trying to prove that they're
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you know, their NHL players. You know, every single day,
they're trying to prove that they belong. And I think
that's that's healthy. I think, you know, coming off of
a really good preseason, I think that build some confidence.
As far as the trajector trajectory though, I don't I
don't know. I mean I think there's a lot of
teams probably asking themselves the same question. I don't think
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that you know, we're the only ones, but it's hard
to forecast. I think you just you try to get better,
You try to learn and and try to accelerate that
that learning curve as best you can. But hopefully the
mix of having guys who have been there for a
long time and and can you know, bring some experience
and and add that way. And then some youthful some
(23:09):
youthful energy, some some young some young guys who are
eager and want to learn and and I want to
show that they belong. Hopefully that combination is something that
that can help us along.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I know you hate the trade talk, and we both
know that the best way to shut it down is
for you guys to win.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Don't you feel that way?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
It's exactly right. I mean, yeah, winning just has a
way of curing curing all. So yeah, there's nothing more
than I'd love is just to you know, to keep
keep getting wins and not have to worry about even
you know, going into that discussion.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You know you've become a really good interview.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Do you remember the first time we talked our our buddy,
the Riz brought you down to that restaurant at the
hotel across the street from the arena, steel Head, the Steelhead, right,
you were eighteen years old.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Your parents were there. It was just do you remember
that at all?
Speaker 4 (24:02):
I do. It was packed too, I remember it was.
It was packed in there, and uh, you had to
set up. I think in one of the corners, right right, Yeah, yeah, no,
it was right. It was right across the street from
the melons, so yeah, I remember, I remember that for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, of course it was packed. Sidney Crosby just got
to town.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
In closing, as always, I ask are you married, engaged?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
They're gonna be a father soon.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Nothing new to update you there.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Someday we're gonna break news, I swear to God, sid
As always, it's a it's a pleasure having you on
a good job last night.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
We'll see at the opener tomorrow night.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Okay, thanks for having me.
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X DOUBLEE with Tom off from and Tom Let's talk
some Penguins. Are you surprised that Jari's getting the start
and goal tonight for the home opener and not Archer
Shilloffs after the shutout at Manhattan on Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, I'm definitely surprised.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I thought she loves to earn the net again, and
I thought mus would definitely go to him.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I'm not upset that he didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
I know, I don't think it's a bad decision. It's
just not what I would have done. But I understand
he wants to get both goalies involved. But I might
have started Shilloffs again because of the momentum from Tuesday
shutout and gone with Jari at home against the Rangers
on Saturday. Shiloff's assuming he plays Saturday, that'll be two
starts in a row against the same team, and that
(26:06):
can help him, but can help them too.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And do you think Sullivan's like pissed because he's not
going to get the face Jarry after all the years
of coaching Jarry.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, we don't know that. Yeah, he could go Jarry
back one.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
If Jarry pitches it shut out tonight, what if the
intent always has been the Joys the number one and
Shiloffs just started the first game.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I would love to see this game play out in
a very similar manner. In front of the goaltender. Then
play extremely structurally sound, play really good defense in front
of him, make the saves easy, right like she Loves
didn't really dazzle in that game. He just made the
saves that he had to make. I want to see
Jarry get put in that same position because I think
he'll give up two or three goals and we will
know all we need to know.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I hope they played the same way in front of him,
because if you are serious about trying to make the
playoffs with this roster, that's how they they have to operate. Uh,
it's only one game, but what's your hunch, Well, Brunick
stay all season.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm in on Brunick staying all season, especially if damn
you played him about fifteen minutes in game one.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
If that continues, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because that if he gets the ice time and he
just won't get better at junior. He's on crone junior,
just like McKenna, not to the same degree, but the
same concept.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
The big worry would be to make the Penguins to
avoid Junior and then play eight minutes a night. But
if it's going to be fifteen sixteen minutes, maybe that
increases to Mark, Like maybe after Thanksgiving he's really starting
to get his feet under him. You move him up
to him maybe closer to twenty minutes, maybe even put
him on that second Pairge toy rownd with some stuff
with him.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
But I'm just saying it's a good start.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And I think he says, well, Kindle stay all season,
and I can tell you for certain that is not
in the plan.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I don't think he will. And I was playing it
was great Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, I was planning on asking you today is there
anything he can do over these now next day games?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
That almost forced us.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
That I talk I talked to a Penguin insideer and
I don't know if this is being considered by Muse,
but the idea that this guy came up with was
to play Kindle on Sid's right wing because he thinks
just a little bit, he's seen a Kindle that Kendall
thinks the game like Sid and guys like that are
invaluable like Jake Gonzil made himself into the you know
(28:07):
level player he did because he thinks the game like
Sid more so than Jake's palette. To be blunt, bigger
example way back when Robbie Brown skate as if he
were in molasses, but he thought the game like Mario
and had a one hundred and fifteen point season because
of it. You want guys who think akin to the stars,
and uh, if that's the hunch that Kindall does, I
(28:29):
would give him a shot on Sid's wing.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Haven't you said that?
Speaker 2 (28:32):
The hunch is there with coyven in two though, that
he can think the game at a high level as well.
I think you talked about that with said too.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think Conan has some Genzel potential, yes, Kindall to me,
although he played very well for an eighteen year old
at MSG making that debut, being the third line center
needs a little be a little bit stronger, don't you
think Mark this needs to get a little bit of
the strength.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Though, probably, but it wasn't overwhelming that he got bumped
around too much, just a little bit, I think in
that game.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, I don't know, And it would be different on
Sid's wing. The playing center like you did. It's true,
you know in the opener, but major point. I like
what we see from Kindle and I would like to
see that experiment because I think.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
This year has to have a lot of that to
move the team forward.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Now, what about the experiment of three six foot five
guys on the same line with Brawsers and and uh
Manta and Egenny Molt. It certainly looked good and it
got the couple goals. What do you think is that
a good idea and should they keep going?
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I don't know if it's a good idea, Mark, but
I'll tell you what it is. It's more different, right,
It's something different with the penguins. They have size. Now
they have an actual line of forwards.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
It's big.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
And would you say that any of those guys really
play super big, like have a physical presence Manna. No,
So it's really kind of like you're just off the
bus and you look the part. But still I like it.
I like having those trees out there. I bet you
it doesn't last, though, because once they get people healthy,
until they trade people off, you can't rush them.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Orty Pop into the top six, absolutely so, but I
like it temporarily like it because Gino's not that fast now,
so it's it's a different true that he gets and
other teams get checking Gina and I here's something they'll
never do.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
But it's way out.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
What have you kept that line together because it succeeds
and ultimately your third line would be Kindle, rust and McGroarty.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean that actually intrigues me a lot and excites
the potential of what Kindle could become playing with those
type of wings. I just I'm in the camp that
Kendle's gonna be playing in juniors this year.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
I don't think. I think you're probably right.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I would call them Malkin line while lasts the Godzilla
line because history shows again and again, Uh, who's gonna
wind up being the number one goalie? I think we
touched on the starter. Who who do you think will
play more games? I think whoever's number two will wind
up playing thirty some odd games.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Anyway, I'm glad you phrased it that way because I
don't know if there's a true number one goalie like
going to take seventy five seventy percent of the starts here,
but I think she loves By the end of the year,
will end up being in the net more often.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I think Joy by the end of year could wind
up back in Wilkes.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
That bad.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, that begs this question, and it's another one we've
we've explored the way out there stuff in this segment.
But say the Penguins are third or better in the
Metro Division after Thanksgiving? Do you summon Morrishoff because you
know he's the best goalie in your system, or do
you stick with Jarry and Shiloffs.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I summoned Myrishov because if we're in third placed.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
How he's playing in Wilkes.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, But if say he's playing like we expect him
to play, and you have said that if the defense
was better and if the team was better, he probably
would have made the team this year. He looks like
he might be ready if they're in third place come Thanksgiving.
I assume the blue line is better than we could
have ever imagined, and I assume she LOFs is actually
playing pretty well as kind of the lead goalie in
that Jarry she Lofts handing. So I replaced Jari with Mirischoff.
You don't have to put the pressure on Marishof.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
I replaced whoever's playing worse of the two with Miroschof.
I don't want to kind of joy before he's.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Played a game, although that's the way I'm leaning. Yeah,
I lean that.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So let's pretend Jarry is the one that's out, and
then you just roll forward with She loves and Mirischov.
And I like not having to put the pressure on Mirischov.
He can kind of be that one beat as she loves.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Here's my prediction for tonight, Penguins winning overtime and Sid
scores the winner.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You watch.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
I like that prediction. I'll just I'll make a little
bit of a lesser prediction. He's just gonna get on
the board tonight.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Sid.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I think I think he was a little salty. He
didn't score on the opener, I don't think so we
don't know he won. He won all he cares about
that he cares about That's a good point. I was
just wondering, you know, the opening night you like to put.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
A but he was beaming talking after the game.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
So and he was flying up and down the ice,
and there was nobody better when Mark when there was
like a hold up of a puck against the wall,
he was just muscling in there.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Picking there was a shift in the third with the
peng was up one nil, where he was don low
below the goal line, you know, like grinding the puck
because he's the best grinder ever, no doubt, even though
he hates being called that, and the Rangers just couldn't
handle it.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
They couldn't handle It's just a dance, honestly, and I
love too.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
He didn't really do that in this game, but I
love when he gets somebody on his hip and he
just goes back and forth with the puck and they
just have no they kinking around him.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Rangers are bad. I wonder if Sally really knows it yet.
I know, I know it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yeah, you were on it even before losing to the
Penguins and looking so.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Far, so many holes in that roster.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
The Metro is sneaky open right now. As far as
the top three hurt, Caroline is a lock. I think
that's the only one I think is a lock. I
don't think they'll make the Cup final like some people do.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
They might. I don't know they might.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I mean they're gonna get an easy ride, probably through
the Metro playoffs.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think the Camp and Florida hate each other.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
They had an exhibition game that went amuck the other night.
If they play in that and then you gotta play.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Toronto too, I think the Caps might take a step
back this year too.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Tom One last quick thing.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You know what I'm already curious about because I predicted
a win in overtime.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Who will Muse playing overtime?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Because that's a narrow bench by nature three on three,
Selly played only the veterans. I wonder if Muse will
play Brunick, Kendall or Clovenon.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I wonder if he taps into that what we were
talking talking about with the IQ of Kindle and put
Sid and Kindle out there as forwards with maybe like
a tanger or something like that to start over time.
I would I would actually kind of like to see that.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
They could put out Kindle, Sid and Carlson he would
sit out there. They could just turn to the gold
and say, yeah, good luck with this. Although Carlson had
that great assist in the last exhibition game. Defeed, sid
in ot just throw out the Godzilla linemark. History shows
again and again one O five ninety X The.
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Speaker 3 (36:49):
Tom Nod's time for the trifecta. What do you got
for today's triffector?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
We already talked on today's show about how the Islanders
are the Penguin's Bogie team. They have really those three
big moments where they wear the Bogey team to the Penguins.
I'm gonna rank him in terms of least painful to
most painful. Three two one ahead, I bet, I bet
we disagreed.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Number three.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
I'm gonna go with the most recent one, Jari in
twenty twenty one. That's really the only one that I've
seen with my own, not one of.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
The legitimately most painful ones.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
But go ahead, Okay, fine, sure, exactly, and again I
witnessed it.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'll go seventy five, up three to zero in the
aisles and then collapsing, having them win four straight games.
And then I'll go ninety three at number one. I've
heard so many people just tell me that ninety three
might have been even better than ninety one, and ninety
two could have been the best Penguins team of all time.
And then they lose to the Stephen says that David Bolck,
he says.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
He says that that was the best Penguins team. The
Penguins trailed three to one late in Game seven, came back. Yeah,
he scored twice late, but then Bollock scored on a
pretty bad angle shot. I'm not blaming Tom Barrasso, even
though I'd like to, because things should have been well
in hand before that.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, can you blame him on who scored from the
blue line?
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Who was the guy who just came down and took
a clap bomb from the blue line like before he
even got into the offensive.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Even to ninety six against Florida. No, this was in
the Islanders game, your Penguin executive Tom Fitzgerald ninety six.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
From just inside the blue line in Game seven of
the Conference final.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, okay, here's how i'd rank him.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I would throw out twenty one because that just was
you know, that was the last gasp of a fading
Stanley Cup winner. I didn't have any expectations beyond that series,
although if if they had won that series a little
moment or beat the Rangers in twenty two, who knows,
especially the Rangers because they have three games to one.
But it was a freaking The most heartbreaking was seventy
(38:33):
five for me because I was fourteen years old.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
That makes sense for you.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
We would have got to the semifinals for the second
time ever, and it was easy to get to the semifinals.
Not long before that. We did it in sixty nine
because you only had to win one round to get
to the semi final. If this was in the second round,
you would have won, correct. Yeah, if we had won
a preliminary round to get to the Islander series in
seventy five ninety three, you're right because that was the
(38:56):
arguably the best Penguin team of all time. Although even
though Kevin steven says it's the best team, Rick Toockett say, nah,
best team we would have won, period.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
I can't argue with that, really no.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And I would put eighty two with Tanelli just because
that would have been such an egregious upsete we had
been done. That was the best of five first round series.
We were don two games to none. Got killed, got
killed in games one and two. I was at Game
three Andre Saint Laurn scored in overtime to pro I
think that was game three, maybe four, but I saw
(39:29):
the sant l Ran overtime goal, and like I said,
the Penguins lad three to one with I want to
say six or seven minutes left in Game five at
New York.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I'm sure that was extremely painful for you to go through,
but for me looking back at this, and this is
why I kind of paused when you said I left
one out.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
I knew it was going to be that. You look
at that.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
You would have been the bogie team for the Islanders then,
like you were the team pool in the upset. You
were the team that didn't have anything to lose. They
were the team that was on the Vergin No, no, no,
I'm talking about eighty one, eighty two.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
The other one. They were in the middle of their dynasty.
They had already won two.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
So I mean, like, the dynamic is so different looking
back then that it's not really painful to look at that.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
It was painful, but you're right, it didn't defy expectations.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Right the other ones though. I mean, you blew a
three zero lead in seventy five and I know I
was there.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I mean I was at that game seven, I was
in all the games then we had season tickets. But
that was you know what, I'll never forget two sounds,
the sound of Pierre Lerouge hitting the post and it
not going in, and the sound of Eddie West falls
back in, and the third hitting the post and going in.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
There's almost nothing worse in playoff hockey than hitting the
post and not coming away with anything and hearing that
loud I think, and knowing how close you were, had
the goalie pretty much beat and you just missed.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We thought we'd come back the next year and do well,
and we didn't. I think we lost in the preliminary round.
It just whatever that team had in seventy five disappeared
very quickly. And it was a good team we had.
We had, you know, Apps, Pronovo and McDonald. I'm naming
guys people have long since forgotten. Pierre Ruce, Battleship, Kelly.
I think the right wing was Chuck Arnison. We had
a tough deep. We had Ron Stakkos who was a
(41:01):
very good offensive defenseman. Gary Innis had kind of a
once in a lifetime type of season in goal. But
it was It was a decent team. I have very
fond memories of that team.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
If not the end, the Islanders are just so annoying,
like they're not a true rival like we established, but
they're just such an annoying team, like a nat buzzing
around an elephant that you just keep trying to whack
away from you.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Not in the early eighties, they weren't true in the
early eighties, they were the freaking allan then became the
em they stepped on you. It was like, like again,
amazing that except for that at best of five the
Penguins lost in eighty two. That was the only time
the Islanders faced an elimination series. Know, I felt really
bad for even though I did not know him. Then
Herb Brooks went to coach the Rangers after the Olympics, right,
(41:41):
and the Rangers might have been the second best team
in hockey. But you know then, as now the playoff
state in the division, Herb didn't have a freaking chance.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
They played in the first round, first or second. We
just didn't have a chance.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
But it's kind of like how it is now right
where you kind of force feed those matchups early instead
of those were the two best teams they should have
met in the conference final?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Were those the two best teams? That's so long.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
But as I recall, because her got Herb got the
perfect blended guys to do that hybrid stuff the euro
and you know, he had a lot of Olympias like
Pavlich and McClanahan and uh and you know, you know
it's funny though, here's what made Herb a great coach.
He went to New Jersey with just had pluggers, so
he played defense like Herb would just adapt.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
So many coaches like Sully here just won't adapt.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Who's better adapt to the taking down a dynasty too
than Herb? I mean, what a good tribe by the
Rangers to try to dethrone the Islanders.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I'm just as glad we didn't play the Russians best
as seven what oh five ninety x
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