November 19, 2025 • 40 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk a ton of Steelers, Rodgers, the Bears and also talk about the nonsense out there in regards to the Pirates
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Did everybody see that angle on WW Monday Night Rob
where a bunch of New York giants got ringside and
Cam Scattabow with the broken leg got pushed and people
are making a big fuss about it. I'll talk about
that more later, but Scattibo, I mean what a Jim
teacher Meadhead.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He could be a fourth Watt brother or a third
Kelsey brother.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I did a column for the trip check it out
trip live dot com on the Steelers quarterback situation and
even with the bum wrist, upon further consideration, yeah, I
would start Aaron Rodgers because he does kill the Bears
career record of twenty four and five against Chicago, sixty
(00:49):
four touchdown passes against only ten picks, and even though
Rodgers could use a break, and even though Rudolph is
better in the pocket right now, I'd start Rogers because
he's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But here's my disclaimer.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
If Rogers struggles and the risk is causing him any
even small degree of problem O, then you go to Rudolph,
which Tomlin wrote, Rogers would have to break his throwing
wrist or lose an eye before Tomlin would pull him.
(01:29):
Rogers having to leave the game, that's one thing. But
Tomlin would never pull Aaron Rodgers. Let's talk to Tommy
Radio on the pregame show brought to us by Shandorovia,
Shandorovics and Fishermen. Tom, if Rogers starts and struggles, what
would have to happen for you to pull him.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I would have to be a couple of interceptions. I
think even then, I don't think that they would pull him.
It would have to be from obvious discomfort when it
came to his injury, like that he just physically couldn't
do it, because I just don't know what that line
would be from Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Theoretically you could do it without a left arm. Well,
I mean you'd lose your balance. But but yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Like he throws three pick sixes, he probably pulled him in.
But like it WI, you would do that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You would do that if his left wrist wasn't probably
I think, actually maybe not. He's Aaron Rodgers and it's
Mason Rudolff. He's going to that right, which Tom Win
don't like to do.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's the whole thing, the whole the whole.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Argument always ends with well he's Aaron Rodgers, which means
he gets to do what he wants and will play
even if he plays bad, even if that wrist falls off.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He gonna keep playing at Chicago.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, and I think that's what's gonna end up happening,
don't you that it's gonna end up that way. Friday
will be his first day of practice, and then he'll
give it the thumbs up and he's good to go.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, the thumbs up with his right hand because his
left thumb will be like, to some degree incapacitated.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And here here's the one thing that'll that'll be stupid.
That game could be decided in the fourth quarter and
Rogers still won't leave game.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Agreed, That's what would be stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
The minute that game has decided one way or the other,
anytime in the second half, Rogers should.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Leave the game. Yeah, no question about it. Caution, but
he will not. I also think.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Because he's just gonna want to stick it to the Bears.
I mean, he just hates the Bears. So I guess
it just was organically born because he was a Green
Bay Packer, Right, So that's instilled in you. You hate
the Bears. You're supposed to be one of the oldest
rivalries in sports. Yeah, I guess he embraced it completely.
I mean, the Bears have.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Been so bad for so long up Toll like now
it's it's like kicking a puppy.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You were right yesterday when you said Rogers dominated Chicago.
I knew he did. I'm surprised by how badly. I
was shocked when I crunched the numbers that that.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I just said.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
No, it's very similar to you know, Ben Roethlisberger versus
the Browns when he was the all time winningest quarterback
in that stadium at one point before I think Baker
Mayfield finally dethroned.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Him, right right, he won more than any Bronze quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's because they kept switching quarterbacks and because the Bronze stink.
But but but Rogers the touchdowns versus interceptions, that's impressive. Yeah,
Like the quarterback rating is like way over a hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, like twenty four and five. The record is one thing,
and that's amazing. But like you said, the brown or
the Bears really half stunk over that stretch, not.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
As bad as the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The touchdown to interception ratio being was it sixty four
to ten? That is just a monumental ass kicking right there. Now,
if a coach looked at Rogers and Rudolph now and
somehow didn't know one guy was Aaron Rodgers quote unquote,
you know, with with the rep and the and the MVPs,
that the one ring who would that coach stink is better?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I like this like a blind taste test of quarterbacks, right,
I think they'd go with Rudolph, right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
They would see the potential and stronger, stronger arm at
this point, can move a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, braver in the pocket? Yep, braver that I take
that back. That that cannotes that Rogers is scared. Maybe
he's being sensible. Maybe at forty one being sensible is
being really sensible. But but yeah, Rudolph is just better
in the pocket. That's the one thing that's a hill
I'll die on comparing the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Rudolph better in.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The pocket, Rogers more guile and great pre snap decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Which wouldn't really show up too much on a blind
quarterback taste test, right. I would say this, though, the
arm talent for Rogers is still unbelievable at times, so
there would be moments there where you'd see that and go, WHOA,
who is this? Where's this coming from? From this guy
that looked like he couldn't move? And is a total
set back there.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
If they were both at the combine right now, I
can guarantee you Rudolph would be picked ahead of Rogers.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Roger wouldn't even be invited to the combine with the
way he was moving.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
What are you doing here? Grandpa? And janetor got on
the field.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I feel like Rudolph's skill set has always been a
bit underrated, But I guess I'm wrong because he's a
career backup.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I do see what you're saying, though, because there was
definitely pedigree there.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I mean he torched it well. The Steers allegedly had
him rated as the first round here. Do you believe that?
That kind of seems like good peace?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did they just say that because you know, I can't
believe he was still there in.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The third round?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, gas yourself up a bit. But I mean he
was amazing at Oklahoma State. I mean lit it up,
was a really good prospect college. Oh my god, it
was like fifty two or something to I think it
was just one time he killed him. He might have
beaten them. He beat him twice, but one was close.
In Oklahoma State. He came to Pit and him and
James Washington, the former Steeler, linked up to just bludgeon Pit.
(06:27):
So he was a great college quarterback. The arm talent.
He's always had a cannon. So I do see what
you're saying that maybe you've could see that he's been
underrated a bit, but I just think he's achieving his ceiling.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Quite honestly, is a very good backup in this league.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I laugh when people say that rogers risk can't get worse.
You've heard people say that, well, there's no risk gets
risk can't get hurt worse.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Of course it can.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
There's obviously considerable risk, not least, you know, if he
gets tackled in a way where he you know, tries
to catch himself with the hand or falls on it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That's the biggest concern is that when you're falling down,
you're not gonna have the frame of mind to be like, ah,
put the hand up in the air, the left hand
up and protect it at all costs. You'll just reactionarily
go for the ground. And yeah, what if you just
get stepped on too right? Like what if a player
for the I just blanked on here the play the
Bears decides. You know what, Rogers on the ground. I'm
(07:18):
just gonna take a little step, little twist of the anchor,
twist of the cleat.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
While I get up.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's obviously on the on the line when it comes
to how the Bears are going to approach Rogers.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I would if the great Mango McMichael, the Bears all
time great, if he were playing, he'd break that wrisk
right off afterwards, say had to do a baby, had
to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Not saying it's like a bounty gate thing. It's almost unspoken.
It's just if you're a player on that Bears defense, like,
let's get Rogers out of the game.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Believe me, I was friends with Mango. I knew Mango
wouldn't have to tell Mango. Yeah right, a little news, Tom,
This will cost a tempest in a tea pot.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It already has.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
On Twitter, Brandon Cooks got cut by New Orleans the
wide out and I know the Steelers don't have a
number two wide up.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But he ain't the answer.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's thirty two and ain't been that good for what
three or four years. He's another Mike Williams and the Saints,
who were arguably the worst team in the league there
who just cut him.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean, there is no finding an answer this year.
You know, the Brandon Cooks, the Odell Beckham juniors of
the world, the bummy veterans that are out there. Now,
that's not an upgrade. It'd be just like Mike Williams exactly.
Their only option now is to just get one in
the draft next year, second round pick.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Maybe a free agent too, but I would go with
the draft. There's nothing you can do this year to
fix it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
To me, there are only option is to finally use
that tight end room as the depth and talent dictates
it should be used.
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Speaker 2 (08:50):
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Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, okay, this is kind of weird and makes me wonder,
And it makes me wonder. NFL dot Com has ten
experts who pick each game every week. Seven out of
ten are picking the Bears to beat the Steelers. I mean,
(09:19):
I think it's it's not a coin flip. I'd rate
the Steelers's slight favorites. Then again, they're getting points, so
that's why they play the game. It's time for Bucco talk,
which I know you're all anticipating greatly. By the way,
we might have a sponsor for the Bucco round up
when it resumes, so I'll get rich off the Pirates.
(09:40):
Yet Jeff passed the ESPN said the Pirates tried to
sign Josh Naylor before Seattley up to them. That the
Pirates are pursuing Kyle Schwarber, who wants thirty million per
year and this is his biggest contract, his last big
contract and his last run in MLB, so I think
(10:02):
he'd like to win. Passen also said the Pirates are
interested in the top imported Japanese sluggers and Connor Griffin,
the phenom nineteen years old, will get a legit shot
at making the team's opening day roster at training camp. Oh,
this just intude the Pirates DFA, Colin Holderman and Peguero,
(10:28):
among a bunch of other guys that I believe not
surprised all that happened. The passing stuff, I'm not buying Tom,
which is the most believable possibility among what Passon talked about.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I guess it would probably have to be the Connor
Griffin starting on the opening day roster, because that wouldn't
cost the Pirates any money to do that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That would be the cheapest of the option. It would
start his pro clock ticking though, true.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But in the moment, it wouldn't cost any money. If
I had to pick a runner up, I guess it
would be the Japanese players because you could probably get
them on a better deal than somebody like Schwarver or
the Schwarber thing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Is just pure fiction. Why would the Japanese players? They wouldn't.
You asked me a question that I'm trying to answer it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
No, no, no. The Connor Griffin thing, I could see them
not worried about the clock because they could always.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Send them back down and be struggles.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
True, and if they have Schemes and Griffin both on
the roster, that will produce optimism, however misguided among the marks,
and they won't have to spend more on payroll to
get that optimism.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, but I don't think any of that's going to
come to fruition. Like I don't even think that they'll
have Connor Griffin make the opening day roster. They'll just
send him back down to the minors to mess with
his clock, his manipulation. But honestly, I think that's the
right move as far as developmental is concerned for Connor Griffin.
This kid needs to stay in the Double He needs
to start in Double A. I think this year, come
up the Triple A for a little bit, and then
probably by the middle of the season he could be
(11:50):
ready to give the majors a shot.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But I mean, it would be so egregious of a mistake.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think to rush this kid up just because you
feel the pressure and you don't want to spend money
to eat.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I agree, but let me play devil's advocate. Paul Skeins
could have been pitching in the majors probably his last
couple of years of college ball, probably dominant.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Do you think Hunter Griffin's Paul Skins? Though? I don't
get that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But he's the number one prospect in baseball, though he
has ascended to that level, but I just don't think
he's a phenom level type of prospects.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Can't the one that's way crazy from passings bag of
tricks is signing Schwarber a he won't get what he
wants in Pittsburgh, which is thirty million a year. The
parts would never pay that if they won't pait the
Skeens not gonna bait the Swarber.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And why would Schwarber come to Pittsburgh to not win?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's the part that makes the least amount of sense.
This is a guy who won a World Series with
the Cubs, is always competed for a World Series with
the Phillies. He's gonna go somewhere where he can stay competitive.
I don't know if he'll get thirty million. Maybe he
will hits a ton of home runs and that gets
you a lot of money. Strikes out a lot though,
and he is just a dh which, by the way,
(13:00):
where would that put McCutcheon if they were to sign
Kyle Schwarber, he have no spot.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, what I see from the marks on Twitter is
that at PNC he could play right field.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
McCutcheon no, no, no, cause it's yeah, I don't know
what's more laughable do that?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Maybe they could both play right field at the same time,
and also right field figured into the other pretend reasoning
for him coming here because the short porch.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, just hit home runs, cy name Swarbur hit even
more home runs, Yeah I could.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't think Swarbur needs a short port.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah. I don't think so either. He's doing just fine
and he had like fifty plus home runs this year. Yeah,
that's the most laughable thing to advance, that that the
pirates would be in on him. But it's setting the
pirates up for another almost gotcha. They already have one
in their back pocket with Josh Naylor. We were so
close to get Josh Naylor just a couple million dollars away.
Now we'll be so close to Getkyles Swarbur wctual.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was like thirty million away and he wouldn't want
to come here anyway. But uh but Schwarbur I got
a bit. I like Schwarber. He's kind of fat, didn't
he Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh yeah, for sure. Est fine is that un chunky.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They could use some awaken or maybe maybe it would
take away his power. No, I'm energized, Tom. It adds
to my power. And uh, you know, he hits like
what a bug ninety seven? Yes, you know, but he
walks because they're scared of him. He's like kind of
my favorite player as a kid was Dave Kingman.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He's like, oh ladder Dave. Dave Kingman bit a left
handed hitter.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, Bug ninety seven I think was two years ago.
He liked in the two fifties. This year, like this
is his banner year. It's a perfect year for him
to be a free agent, which is why it's even
more laughable that he would land in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, it's laughable with the Japanese guys too.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Although Young Ho Kung came to the Pirates, although he
got a bunch of Duy's, was accused of sexual assault
and got deported, and he was Korean anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And you pointed out so many times that era top
Bob Nunning a lesson. He did try to spend a
little bit more in that era, gave Neil Huntington the
keys more to go out and buy players, sign players
to multi year deals, get a guy like Jung Hogung
out other teams for that guy. And then he went
to the playoffs a few years and Bob Nutty was like, oh,
I didn't make any extra money. In fact, I probably
(15:06):
lost money. This is not the way to go about this.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
How about Gung went back to Korea and like got
in more trouble there. And even though he was the
returning hero who did pretty good at MLB for a
couple of years, anyway, he was gonna said, Nah, he's too.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Much trouble, too much trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Just can't stop getting UIs that's his problem?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, why would you? It takes me to believe he
can't stop drinking.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well, okay, whatever, but like hire a private driver, right, uh?
Someone you have millions of dollars from.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Tom that takes away the fun of drinking. I'm totally joking,
totally joking. You know what ankered me about the Passing
report is that buck O Marks believed that crap because
Passing said it, because he's so credible. But all that
crap got fed to pass In by the Pirates by
I would assume the GM Ben Sherrington, and he just
(15:53):
regurgitated it. Because you know how much news is there
about the pirates. He he didn't want to research. He
just took what he was given. Not that the research
would have produced anything different, because the Pirates are wholly uninteresting,
but he just passed along fake news.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean, do you really think.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Passing thinks for a second Tom even one second that
Kyle Schwarber might sign with the Pirates.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
No, there's no chance he does. He's smarter than that.
At least I think he's smarter than that. He did
pass along fake news. And you know what if Ben
Sherrington calls you up or whoever calls you up, and
he feeds you all this line, all these lines, this
bs this propaganda and you want to run with it, fine,
run with it, but why not put the disclaimer where
you're like, I just want to let you guys know,
my personal opinion, Jeff Passon is that this is propaganda
(16:39):
that I will wait to see the actions play out
because this team has given a little.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Sad for that's a little dramatic.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But if I were him, m'd say I'd say, the
Pirates are reportedly interested in signing Kyle Schwarber, but why
would he want to go there?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Something like that. You just haven't painted in that light.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The money being equal, maybe, but the money just won't
be equal.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Because that at least saves your credibility a little bit
if you're Jeff Passing, Although no one's looking at his
credibility because no one outside of this market cares what
he said.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Passon's also a kind of guy who's ya baseball. Jo
never has heard a discouraging word. I mean sometimes he's
analytical to the point of negativity, But none of those
baseball guys do that, you know, on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
They, like I said, they're mostly ya baseball.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And all we got from the local baseball writers except
for Parada is yay baseball as well.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, we talked about that a little bit yesterday. Like
when you look at the national Baseball writers, there's no
one that just crushes a team like the Pirates like
they should. They just don't care about them. They won't
cover them unless you know, the GM feeds them stuff. Well,
nobody out there should believe one positive thing about them.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I mean the in the event that we get double
crossed and they do something right, then we should all
deal with it then. But until that that moment, don't trust,
don't believe, and don't invest emotionally because it'll only get
your heart broken. The big offseas he's a move for
the Pirates, will be trading Mitch Keller, like I've been
(18:04):
saying for months, and all they'll get is at best
the hitting equivalent of Mitch Kellor Keller, which is a
guy who, like what pretty good, maybe a number six
or seven hitter. But it's not like you're trading Cy Young.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
A trade of that similar ilk already happened to Grayson
Rodriguez from the Oriels went to the Angels for an outfielder,
Taylor Ward. Taylor Ward was linked to the Pirates at
the trade deadline, I think for a couple of years
for some guy. Yeah, Grace Rodriguez isn't as accomplished, i'd say,
as Mitch Keller is at the mob level. But how
accomplished is Mitch Keller at the mob level? He stinks
in every second half of the season. His ERA is
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always over four at the end of the year. So
he's just a ham and ager too. So yeah, it's
just gonna be a fringe, you know, fourth guy in
your rotation being traded for a fringe. Maybe he's a
starting outfielder, but probably more like a bench outfielder.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Tom James Franklin was uh yesterday introduced as the Virginia
Tech coach. Two months ago he was at Penn State.
They were ranked number two in the country just two
months ago. That's insane, ain't.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It's crazy, and he was on McAfee today and he's
sitting in the office with the hokey helmets behind him
and the big VT logo on his chest.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It is like a.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Bizarro world almost. I think you're right that Penn State
made a huge mistake there. And don't get me wrong,
I'm not mad that they made a huge mistake. But
who are they gonna hire in this cycle that's gonna
be better than that? Like Virginia Tech already is by
far the front runner in a lot of people's eyes.
They just hit a home run grand Slam as far
as they're higher. And you're Penn State and you're seeing that,
and you're like, oh, wait a minute, why are they
talking about our old coach like that? Tom, You were
(19:30):
at the game, so you probably didn't see this.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I didn't get exactly what was going on because
I watched the Pit Notre Dame game like I usually
watch a football with the sound turned down, like blasting
Zeppelin or Motley.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Or something like that. It's pretty badass. I didn't know.
I always do it. It's awesome. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Tony Dorsett did a sideline interview at that Pit game
and was pretty much out of it, like lost his
train of thought like four or five times, you know,
because of the sea. Yes, it made him look bad.
It made the whole situation look sad. It was like
a CTE infomercial, Tom. Why would pitt allow that? Why
would ESPN do that?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I didn't know that it had happened, because, like you said,
I was at the game and.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I love Tony.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean he was when I was a kid, he
was everything, and I've had him on the show.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I revere him. I just wanted to cry. Yeah, it
was tough to listen to and just unnecessary. You make
him mention that Tony's there. You get him on the
camera right like with some b roll shots like there's
Tony on the sidelines, like maybe he can wave to
the camera or something like that, but he just you
don't need to put him with a mike.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know what you do? You know what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You tape it and you get one SoundBite of a
five minute interview where he's still Tony dor set.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's perfect, and you play that. That's what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
So that's very irresponsible, Like I said, on the part
of Pitt In on the part of ESPN, A specially.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
To make him live. Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Do you think ESPN secretly, secretly thinks, well, you know,
he looked bad, but people are gonna talk about it
because that all ESPN wants. Now.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
They don't care if it's any good, they don't care
if it should be on TV. All they want is
for people to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I don't know if they came from that angle, but
I think they did come from it from an angle
of who cares how it looks. It's having Tony Dorset
on and that's all that counts is that we get
to you know, the screen grab of door set on
the set, the heisman in front of them.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
In just a moment. I bet that was OJ's heisman
in just a moment. Wonder where that is now?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
O j S heisman.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
That's a great question. Do you think they like smelted
it down or something.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
To one point the Goldman family had it. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I think they got because they get a ton of
stuff right like everything OJ MA.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I don't know if you know where OJ's heisman is,
Let me know what I want to know. Let me
know on Twitter at Mark Madden x when we come back.
There's a lot being made of and I barely talked
about it yesterday, but it's become a crost celeb. Cam
Scattabo of the New York Giants rookie back got physical
at a wrestling show on TV. We'll talk about the
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fallout from that in a minute. And I have ack
him on it that you can't really get unless you
worked for a wrestling company, which I did for eight
years and it paid for my house.
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Speaker 2 (22:26):
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Speaker 1 (22:28):
I got a little bit of Steelers news trickling in
Corey Thrice. The dB wasn't activated from IR today, so
it appears like his season is again over.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Just cut this guy. He's hurt all the frigging time.
He's brittle.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know that ain't his fault, but it ain't the
Steelers fault either. I mean, just dump them, Tom. They're
wasting time with this guy. It used to be a
sad story. Now it's aggravating. It is aggravating. It's just
over for him, I think. And again, sometimes players just
get their career derailed by injuries. I don't think that he's,
you know, super brittle guy. He's just had unfortunate things
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happened to him.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He's obviously a super brittle guy. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, caim Corey Trice if you're listening, if you he's like,
you've frustrated.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Us long enough. He's like Bo Bennett a little bit. No,
Bo Bennett played way more than Corey Trice. What was
it like twenty games?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
No, no Bo, Please, you're giving Bo a bad rap.
He was hurt a lot, but he wasn't. He wasn't
half as brittle as Corey Trice.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, they just need to cut bait with this guy.
I honestly thought this year at the beginning of the season,
they should have just cut bait with him.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And you know what heightens the aggravation is we keep
getting getting told how good he is, right, and they
need a corner desperately and.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Then he never plays now speaking injured.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
One of the big stories in the NFL, which I
inexplicably gave short shrift to yesterday, Cam Scattabo, the rookie
running back from the New.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
York Football Giants. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
He got physical on Monday Night Raw WWE on Netflix.
I got in a shoving match with a bunch of
heels sitting at ringside. A bunch of his teammates were
there too. Scatamo was getting criticized and he should you know,
he got that bad break ankle dislocation, ligament damage on TV.
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They didn't even want to show it because part of
his leg was facing the wrong way. Everybody was crying
for the kid. And he does stupid crap at a
wrestling show.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
What a mark.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And then he issued this whiney not denial, but he said,
I'm just having fun. They took my fun away from
me when I got hurt. This is my way of
having fun. Blah blah blah. Shut the frig up. You
meet at gym, teacher. Like I said earlier, he could
be a fourth Watt brother or a third Kelsey brother. Yo, dude,
I mean have fun. But you gotta read the room. Tom,
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you just can't do that if you're Scatterbo again. You
got to read the room. And there is some element
of risk.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
There, yeah, without question right, Like I know that it
is kind of a controlled environment, but things can go
wrong in that environment.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
There was a whole crowd of giants in Judgment Day,
the faction with Dominic Mysterio.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
They were pushed and shoven. That's rough.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And what if Scatabo falls down, or what if it
falls down and one of his teammates behind that metal
barrier falls on that injured leg.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Correct, There was just so many risks that were involved
in it. It is just such a dumb look for
him to do that. And hey, if you're healthy and
you want to show up on ww E, RA, I
got no problem with that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, one thing you got to understand, Tom, And I
can say this because I worked for a wrestling company,
World Championship Wrestling from ninety three through two thousand. The
wrestling company doesn't care at all. If Scatabo would have
reinjured that leg, made it worse, WBE secretly would have
said good, that's another headline, and a bigger headline. It
involves WBE and it's not us that gets hurt. It's
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the giants in Scatibo, and we don't care at all
about them. It's all about the pop, It's all about
the publicity. At WCW, we had Kevin Green at ringside
four days before Super Bowl thirty in nineteen ninety six.
We FLEWM to Vegas on the Steelers' day off and
had him in Hal Cogan's corner. Now he didn't get involved,
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I mean a little bit peripherally, but nothing dangerous. But
he was still there in the middle of Super Bowl week.
Whose idea was that mine? That's who the super genius,
big points scored by me with the bosses. And then,
even more shockingly, we compromised the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals.
We had Rodman miss practice between Games three and four
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to come into an angle on WCW Monday. Nitro and
Phil Jackson and Jordan they didn't lose their minds too
bad because it's the middle of the final and they
need Rodman.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
They're trying to win the championship. They need Rodman.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And then in Game six, everybody remembers, I'm sure you
do too, the shoving match they rolled on the court
between Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone when they were already
build to be in a tag team match at Bash
at the Beach. The subsequent July, Rodman and hal Kogan
against Malone in Diamond Dallas Page. At one point during
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the Shenanigans in Game six, Malone threw up the Diamond
Cutters signed with his hands ddp's hand gesture.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We told them to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
We compromised the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And I'm shocked.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I mean, Pablo Torri talked about on his podcast not
too long ago, but nobody has made a big deal
out of it, like you'd think they would.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
But the point is, we didn't care if Rodman got
in trouble.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
We didn't care if people saw through what they did
rolling around on the court in Game six.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
We just cared about WCW.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Just as in this instance, all w cared about was
itself and certainly not Camp Scattaba. I mean, Scatabo is
small potatoes compared to what we did in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Oh, without question it is.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean you're talking about the NBA five vinyls there
and even the other thing that you did with Kevin Green.
I mean you're talking about the week before the Super Bowl,
a healthy player, a marquee player on the Steelers' roster
in the corner for Hawk Hogan there.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So yeah, it was at a much bigger scale.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We didn't have to beg him to do it either.
We just gave him the private jet from from Temp
Bay to Vegas. I mean we paid him, but he
was such a mark. He loved it and a big
halk Cogan fit doo. Same with same with uh Malone Malone. Okay,
Rodman just wanted money. Okay, Malone was a mark. But
that said, Rodman was so easy to work with. I
love Dennis. I ran in from years later and he
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could not have been more gracious.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Remembered me.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
He said, Hey, an answer guy, and I said, hey
basketball guy. But uh yeah he was wonderful and Malone
was kind of a pain. But uh but still at work.
That that to this Well, the company folded in two thousand,
not long after I left. Draw your own conclusions, but uh,
that was our highest drawing pay per view ever. Uh
that tag match on the heels of the NBA Finals,
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you know, about a month and a half before.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, ww is under no moral obligation to be like,
should we ask Skattabo to do this? He is hurt?
They might not like that very much, of course not.
It's up to Scatabo to say no. And he is
a perfect mark, don't you think, like he loves WW.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh if I could have pict just about any bed
in the NFL to be a WW market. It put
himself in personal risk to do something on TV. Although
don't forget remember when Ben got on in the ring
on TV not to do something physical, but he did
like the DX crotch chop.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, and he had the lineman too. Weren't the lineman
out there with him to this day? If Ben was
a mark for wrestling or just a mark for being
on TV, yeah, he's a superstar in Pittsburgh. I'm sure
it was more about that being on TV getting the
crowd pop as a young person one time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Remember that running back we had years ago, Chris fu
He was on IR and he got in the ring
and got physical in an ECWS show in front of
like two thousand people done at the Convention Center. That's
what wrestling does. Wrestling finds celebrities who are marks and
milks them for whatever they can.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, and Scattabo is perfect marked there. It's perfect as
far as WWE is concerned. I mean they're they're talking
about it on a first take right now without him
having to force a WWE segment like they do, because
ESPN's in bed with them. Like now it's about from
the angle of all they got involved with the NFL
scatter bow.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
This is stupid on here.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just reminded me like Dominique Fox, like it's no big
deally just having fun. Then again, the player is always
good player. But but that whole segment just reminded me
how much I don't trust ESPN. How it's all fake
news now because they're in bed with.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Everybody, everybody, I mean, NFL, WWE. It's literally just like
a PR station now at this point for the leagues.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We'll get into this, uh later in the show. It
may be a little bit more next segment. But how
about is Chicago at at seven to three and leading
a great division?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
How much are you buying in? Not buying in too much?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
To be honest with you, you don't think they'll win
the division? I don't think they will. I think the
Lions will still win the division. They're stumbling a little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's just the fact they like they missed the coordinators,
and it's just a fact camps just to cheerlead.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't know about that, really don't.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And just the fact that they lost to the Vikings
with a better team. No, he might not have a
better team. I mean Rabel's nine to two right now.
So I mean those coaches are doing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I just think it wears off that very well.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Might Campbell needed them to coordinators.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I just don't think that the Bears haven't beaten anybody good.
And the last time the Bears played the Lions got
hammered fifty two to twenty one.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And they go a bit lucking that the Vikings have
clearly fallen off because they made the wrong decision at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Green Bay, I mean Green Bay just is that you
can't take them seriously. They're immature.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Whatever it is they never had, they still haven't sure.
They're not that much better with Micah Parsons, which amazes me.
And I think we've all overestimated Jordan Love. I think
it's from up above.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I think it's more that part too, Although he torched
the hell out of the Steelers on that Sunday Night
football game. But the defense has been great with Micah Parsons,
like one of the best defenses in football. They just
lose games to like the Panthers sixteen to ten. That's inexcusable.
You're buying it to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's starting to a little bit more, getting better, starting
to start him for the long term. He's think he's
going to be a really good quarterback. I think right
now he's still capable of the second year blunders.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
He's like a five tool prospect of baseball right Like,
he's got everything to his game. Arms, perfect, mobility, is great,
good pocket presence. That's getting better. With Ben Johnson. I
take the Bears seriously as far as their future is,
concerning their trajectory, like, I think they're going to be
a problem soon.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I just think they're a little ahead of themselves. But
the numbers indicate their problem.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Now. They have the number four offense, they have the
number two running game. They do blow you off the ball.
But here's the weird thing both teams. Now, I'll get
into the numbers later, Tom, both teams are so relying
on takeaways. It's like, if there's no takeaways in this game,
it could be like a ten to three game.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, their defense, you can run on their defense. They're
not that stout in the passing game, but they have
fifteen in scon.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You ever can't run on their defense? Can't you have
to run?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's it like that's a huge problem there is. The
matchup is telling you to run the ball on this
defense and you have seen nothing from the running game.
And also Jalen warrens hurt going into this game. To
make you feel confident that you can do, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
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his real way. He's listed at two sixty five, but
he revealed his real weight what it is.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Take a guess. It's definitely over three hundred, right, I'll
tell you later. That's what we call a tas in
the radio business. One O five ninety X.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
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Speaker 3 (33:17):
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Speaker 1 (33:27):
More updates from Steelers practice. Aaron Rodgers said he's gonna
practice tomorrow and so he's obviously going to play on Sunday,
Alex Highsmith practice but very peripherally away from the group,
kind of doing some work on his own, almost like
he's holding in and Jalen Warren was not practicing. So
it looks like Kenneth Gainwell gonna step in is the
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number one back, although I shouldn't say that there's a
couple more days for him to return. Tom, I don't
know if it would be a big drop off from
Warren to Gainwell simply because of the way Warren is
used or rather not you.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
No, I don't think it'll be a big drop off
at all. We've seen this already this year too in
Dublin for the Ireland game against the Vikings. Didn't have
Warren in that game. Game Welde did a really good job.
I would love if Caleb Johnson could get maybe a
little bit more opportunity if Warren can't go, if they
maybe give him like ten carries in this game, I
think it's worthwhile. But they just are so resistant to that.
Although he is getting a little more play.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
They're just resistant to relying on the running game more
than whatever the freg elson is they're doing. I can't
believe that they have trouble throwing the ball, that they
have no number two receiver, That they are pretty good
at running the ball when they do it, but they
don't do it nearly enough.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And that's the path against the Bears.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Whether it's your backup quarterback Rudolph in there or your
quarterback Rogers with a bum wrist, you got to hand
the ball off a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You got to run against the Bears defense.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Steelers are six and four, right, yes, the way they're coached,
how the hell did they win six?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
How the hell did they win any?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Isn't that what the national media does every year though,
But from the opposite end of the spectrum where it's
not like with the way they're coached, how did they
do that? It's like with the way that they're assembled
in this team, it's a miracle that coaching staff got
this to six nineteen while the.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Coach dissembles the team in Pittsburgh more than most teams
even uh, what do we got from the trifecta? Tom
brodtlist by Danny's Petron Hogies Pittsburgh's original even bake togy
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Speaker 3 (35:17):
Today, I've got three jukebox musical movies. I do like
this genre of movies, Mark, They're fun, you know. The
jukebox musical are musicals that aren't, you know, written specifically
for the movie. They riff on other popular songs, like
they'll take a Guns and Roses song, right, They'll take
an ACDC song Okay. Characters will say, you know that
was the terminology.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yes, I was gonna break into Foreigner be a juke
bucks here roll.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, actually there's a movie on this list that has
that song in it, but that's not number three, number three.
I doubt you've seen this movie pitch Perfect. Maybe you
have come across it every once in a while, though.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Is it like a high school musical knockoff?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Not really a high school musical knockoff. They're like an
a cappella group, I think. But there's some great songs
in here that they sing like a Virgin is one
of them that they riff on Mickey, Hey, Micky, you're
so fine. What a fun song that is?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And so many hot chicks in it, like Anna Kendrick.
I mean, come on, doesn't get much better than that.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, I liked High School Musical.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
You know why, Vanessa Hudgens and Zach Zach Effron.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
He looked really good.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I forgot about Zach Efron for earlier second there. I
think I'm really good. I think you've seen this movie.
Rock of Ages is my number two. Tom Cruise, you
didn't like it, great songs, didn't so many good songs.
Paradise City Sister Christian Jukebox Hero is in that one.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I love rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Talk dirty to me. I mean it's awesome. It's surprising
that you don't like it. And Tom Cruise was so
good in it. Alec Baldwin's in it too, you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Know what I no, I don't like it rewatch, Probably
not Alec bald I forgot about Alec Baldwin's in it. Yes,
I will say Tom Cruise, I've said for years he's
the last bankable movie star, the last guy that people
will go and see a movie specifically because he's in
it and not care what genre movie it is.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And it's amazing that it's still the case. Right, He's
gotta be sixty yes, if not maybe sixty five. Getting
Culture looks good.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
As good as Zach Geffer.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Great plastic surgeon absolutely, and scientology. Scientology keeps you young,
I guess. But to your point, he's still such a draw,
Like he saved the movie Theater box Office with top
Gun Maverick. Remember when COVID was just killing everybody in
the movies, no one was gonna go anymore. Then Tom
Cruise saved the day. My number one juke sixty three.
He looks great for sixty three, look looks great for
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like forty three. My number one jukebox musical? Though? Is
The Blues Brothers maybe the best Saturday Night Live movie
ever made?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Didn't like it? Didn't like The Blues Brothers, So you
don't like Duke Thoughts musical. I liked it, but I
like you think not hold it? Well?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Now, I was gonna say Animal Hospital, that's more of
a national Saturday Live movie. Yeah, And and Caddy Check movie. Yes, yeah,
you're right, it probably is? What other what other Saturday
Night Live movies are there?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Because I would throw Wayne's World up there as a
good contender.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
What we overrated Wayne's World from the get go, both
the skit and the especially the movies.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's tough to make a skit into a movie.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's tough to stretch something that is like three minutes
into something that's two hours. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I have a very niche loving of the movie mcgroober
by Will Forte. I think it's just because Will Forte
is just about full proof. Will fortetes full proof. Jericho
is in it at the beginning, he blows up in
the van and the name of the.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Villa if only, if only life would have been taed art.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
The name of the villain of val Kilmer is just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Let's let's be careful there, tom.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
By the way, I'm gonna do a reveal because radio
research shows the tease is less effective if you don't reveal.
In the next segment, Darnell Washington has listed at two
sixty five, but he said that he wastes three eleven,
and I think he's lying.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I think he's gotta be. I think he's going to
be like three thirty ish.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, my god, though, even if it's three eleven,
that gotta be the heaviest eligible receiver in history without question,
aside the occasional you know, extra line and the guy
who declares like like Zach Banner who is now Spencer Anderson.
In terms of a guy who's living as being a
receiver three eleven thought to be the heaviest.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Oh, without question, he's six foot seven to two on top.
I mean, it's just ridiculous. There's a lineman I'm sure
tackles that aren't even three eleven three right now.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That run he had against Cincinnati where he like, you know,
stiff farm one guy bowled another guy over, you know what,
made it even more endearing and probably more viral, even.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Though nobody says this.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Even in executing that he looked, oh fish, he looked
like stumbling, bumbling, rumbling.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like when he caught the ball, it was almost like
he needed his legs to keep up with him. That's
exactly which made it all the better. Yeah, I agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Us fat guys, we we we know our own we
know what we'd do in a situation like that, and
he did it better than I would have.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I just wish he would have finished it off and
gotten to the end zone. That's the only thing he
did wrong.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I like the fact that when he was out of bounds,
he gave the last guy near him like one extra bump.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, exactly. That might have been the best part of it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Up next, a closer look at that Steelers Bears game
on Sunday. Both these teams rely on takeaways. What if
Faint neither gets any one oh five ninety X, it's
Did everybody see that angle on WW Monday Night Rob
where a bunch of New York giants got ringside and
Cam Scattabow with the broken leg got pushed and people
are making a big fuss about it. I'll talk about
that more later, but Scattibo, I mean what a Jim
teacher Meadhead.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
He could be a fourth Watt brother or a third
Kelsey brother.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I did a column for the trip check it out
trip live dot com on the Steelers quarterback situation and
even with the bum wrist, upon further consideration, yeah, I
would start Aaron Rodgers because he does kill the Bears
career record of twenty four and five against Chicago, sixty
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four touchdown passes against only ten picks, and even though
Rodgers could use a break, and even though Rudolph is
better in the pocket right now, I'd start Rogers because
he's Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But here's my disclaimer.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
If Rogers struggles and the risk is causing him any
even small degree of problem O, then you go to Rudolph,
which Tomlin wrote, Rogers would have to break his throwing
wrist or lose an eye before Tomlin would pull him.
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Rogers having to leave the game, that's one thing. But
Tomlin would never pull Aaron Rodgers. Let's talk to Tommy
Radio on the pregame show brought to us by Shandorovia,
Shandorovics and Fishermen. Tom, if Rogers starts and struggles, what
would have to happen for you to pull him.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I would have to be a couple of interceptions. I
think even then, I don't think that they would pull him.
It would have to be from obvious discomfort when it
came to his injury, like that he just physically couldn't
do it, because I just don't know what that line
would be from Tom.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Theoretically you could do it without a left arm. Well,
I mean you'd lose your balance. But but yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Like he throws three pick sixes, he probably pulled him in.
But like it WI, you would do that.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You would do that if his left wrist wasn't probably
I think, actually maybe not. He's Aaron Rodgers and it's
Mason Rudolff. He's going to that right, which Tom Win
don't like to do.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
That's the whole thing, the whole the whole.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Argument always ends with well he's Aaron Rodgers, which means
he gets to do what he wants and will play
even if he plays bad, even if that wrist falls off.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
He gonna keep playing at Chicago.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, and I think that's what's gonna end up happening,
don't you that it's gonna end up that way. Friday
will be his first day of practice, and then he'll
give it the thumbs up and he's good to go.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, the thumbs up with his right hand because his
left thumb will be like, to some degree incapacitated.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
And here here's the one thing that'll that'll be stupid.
That game could be decided in the fourth quarter and
Rogers still won't leave game.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Agreed, That's what would be stupid.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
The minute that game has decided one way or the other,
anytime in the second half, Rogers should.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Leave the game. Yeah, no question about it. Caution, but
he will not. I also think.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Because he's just gonna want to stick it to the Bears.
I mean, he just hates the Bears. So I guess
it just was organically born because he was a Green
Bay Packer, Right, So that's instilled in you. You hate
the Bears. You're supposed to be one of the oldest
rivalries in sports. Yeah, I guess he embraced it completely.
I mean, the Bears have.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Been so bad for so long up Toll like now
it's it's like kicking a puppy.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You were right yesterday when you said Rogers dominated Chicago.
I knew he did. I'm surprised by how badly. I
was shocked when I crunched the numbers that that.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I just said.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
No, it's very similar to you know, Ben Roethlisberger versus
the Browns when he was the all time winningest quarterback
in that stadium at one point before I think Baker
Mayfield finally dethroned.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Him, right right, he won more than any Bronze quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
That's because they kept switching quarterbacks and because the Bronze stink.
But but but Rogers the touchdowns versus interceptions, that's impressive. Yeah,
Like the quarterback rating is like way over a hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah, like twenty four and five. The record is one thing,
and that's amazing. But like you said, the brown or
the Bears really half stunk over that stretch, not.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
As bad as the Browns.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
The touchdown to interception ratio being was it sixty four
to ten? That is just a monumental ass kicking right there. Now,
if a coach looked at Rogers and Rudolph now and
somehow didn't know one guy was Aaron Rodgers quote unquote,
you know, with with the rep and the and the MVPs,
that the one ring who would that coach stink is better?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I like this like a blind taste test of quarterbacks, right,
I think they'd go with Rudolph, right.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
They would see the potential and stronger, stronger arm at
this point, can move a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, braver in the pocket? Yep, braver that I take
that back. That that cannotes that Rogers is scared. Maybe
he's being sensible. Maybe at forty one being sensible is
being really sensible. But but yeah, Rudolph is just better
in the pocket. That's the one thing that's a hill
I'll die on comparing the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Rudolph better in.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
The pocket, Rogers more guile and great pre snap decisions.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Which wouldn't really show up too much on a blind
quarterback taste test, right. I would say this, though, the
arm talent for Rogers is still unbelievable at times, so
there would be moments there where you'd see that and go, WHOA,
who is this? Where's this coming from? From this guy
that looked like he couldn't move? And is a total
set back there.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
If they were both at the combine right now, I
can guarantee you Rudolph would be picked ahead of Rogers.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Roger wouldn't even be invited to the combine with the
way he was moving.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
What are you doing here? Grandpa? And janetor got on
the field.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I feel like Rudolph's skill set has always been a
bit underrated, But I guess I'm wrong because he's a
career backup.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I do see what you're saying, though, because there was
definitely pedigree there.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I mean he torched it well. The Steers allegedly had
him rated as the first round here. Do you believe that?
That kind of seems like good peace?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Did they just say that because you know, I can't
believe he was still there in.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The third round?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, gas yourself up a bit. But I mean he
was amazing at Oklahoma State. I mean lit it up,
was a really good prospect college. Oh my god, it
was like fifty two or something to I think it
was just one time he killed him. He might have
beaten them. He beat him twice, but one was close.
In Oklahoma State. He came to Pit and him and
James Washington, the former Steeler, linked up to just bludgeon Pit.
(06:27):
So he was a great college quarterback. The arm talent.
He's always had a cannon. So I do see what
you're saying that maybe you've could see that he's been
underrated a bit, but I just think he's achieving his ceiling.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Quite honestly, is a very good backup in this league.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I laugh when people say that rogers risk can't get worse.
You've heard people say that, well, there's no risk gets
risk can't get hurt worse.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Of course it can.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
There's obviously considerable risk, not least, you know, if he
gets tackled in a way where he you know, tries
to catch himself with the hand or falls on it.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That's the biggest concern is that when you're falling down,
you're not gonna have the frame of mind to be like, ah,
put the hand up in the air, the left hand
up and protect it at all costs. You'll just reactionarily
go for the ground. And yeah, what if you just
get stepped on too right? Like what if a player
for the I just blanked on here the play the
Bears decides. You know what, Rogers on the ground. I'm
(07:18):
just gonna take a little step, little twist of the anchor,
twist of the cleat.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
While I get up.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
That's obviously on the on the line when it comes
to how the Bears are going to approach Rogers.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I would if the great Mango McMichael, the Bears all
time great, if he were playing, he'd break that wrisk
right off afterwards, say had to do a baby, had
to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Not saying it's like a bounty gate thing. It's almost unspoken.
It's just if you're a player on that Bears defense, like,
let's get Rogers out of the game.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Believe me, I was friends with Mango. I knew Mango
wouldn't have to tell Mango. Yeah right, a little news, Tom,
This will cost a tempest in a tea pot.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
It already has.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
On Twitter, Brandon Cooks got cut by New Orleans the
wide out and I know the Steelers don't have a
number two wide up.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
But he ain't the answer.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
He's thirty two and ain't been that good for what
three or four years. He's another Mike Williams and the Saints,
who were arguably the worst team in the league there
who just cut him.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, I mean, there is no finding an answer this year.
You know, the Brandon Cooks, the Odell Beckham juniors of
the world, the bummy veterans that are out there. Now,
that's not an upgrade. It'd be just like Mike Williams exactly.
Their only option now is to just get one in
the draft next year, second round pick.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Maybe a free agent too, but I would go with
the draft. There's nothing you can do this year to
fix it.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
To me, there are only option is to finally use
that tight end room as the depth and talent dictates
it should be used.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
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Speaker 1 (08:44):
Tell your sport device Alexa play one oh five point
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Speaker 2 (08:50):
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Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, okay, this is kind of weird and makes me wonder,
And it makes me wonder. NFL dot Com has ten
experts who pick each game every week. Seven out of
ten are picking the Bears to beat the Steelers. I mean,
(09:19):
I think it's it's not a coin flip. I'd rate
the Steelers's slight favorites. Then again, they're getting points, so
that's why they play the game. It's time for Bucco talk,
which I know you're all anticipating greatly. By the way,
we might have a sponsor for the Bucco round up
when it resumes, so I'll get rich off the Pirates.
(09:40):
Yet Jeff passed the ESPN said the Pirates tried to
sign Josh Naylor before Seattley up to them. That the
Pirates are pursuing Kyle Schwarber, who wants thirty million per
year and this is his biggest contract, his last big
contract and his last run in MLB, so I think
(10:02):
he'd like to win. Passen also said the Pirates are
interested in the top imported Japanese sluggers and Connor Griffin,
the phenom nineteen years old, will get a legit shot
at making the team's opening day roster at training camp. Oh,
this just intude the Pirates DFA, Colin Holderman and Peguero,
(10:28):
among a bunch of other guys that I believe not
surprised all that happened. The passing stuff, I'm not buying Tom,
which is the most believable possibility among what Passon talked about.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I guess it would probably have to be the Connor
Griffin starting on the opening day roster, because that wouldn't
cost the Pirates any money to do that.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That would be the cheapest of the option. It would
start his pro clock ticking though, true.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But in the moment, it wouldn't cost any money. If
I had to pick a runner up, I guess it
would be the Japanese players because you could probably get
them on a better deal than somebody like Schwarver or
the Schwarber thing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Is just pure fiction. Why would the Japanese players? They wouldn't.
You asked me a question that I'm trying to answer it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
No, no, no. The Connor Griffin thing, I could see them
not worried about the clock because they could always.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Send them back down and be struggles.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
True, and if they have Schemes and Griffin both on
the roster, that will produce optimism, however misguided among the marks,
and they won't have to spend more on payroll to
get that optimism.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, but I don't think any of that's going to
come to fruition. Like I don't even think that they'll
have Connor Griffin make the opening day roster. They'll just
send him back down to the minors to mess with
his clock, his manipulation. But honestly, I think that's the
right move as far as developmental is concerned for Connor Griffin.
This kid needs to stay in the Double He needs
to start in Double A. I think this year, come
up the Triple A for a little bit, and then
probably by the middle of the season he could be
(11:50):
ready to give the majors a shot.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But I mean, it would be so egregious of a mistake.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
I think to rush this kid up just because you
feel the pressure and you don't want to spend money
to eat.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I agree, but let me play devil's advocate. Paul Skeins
could have been pitching in the majors probably his last
couple of years of college ball, probably dominant.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Do you think Hunter Griffin's Paul Skins? Though? I don't
get that.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But he's the number one prospect in baseball, though he
has ascended to that level, but I just don't think
he's a phenom level type of prospects.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Can't the one that's way crazy from passings bag of
tricks is signing Schwarber a he won't get what he
wants in Pittsburgh, which is thirty million a year. The
parts would never pay that if they won't pait the
Skeens not gonna bait the Swarber.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
And why would Schwarber come to Pittsburgh to not win?
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's the part that makes the least amount of sense.
This is a guy who won a World Series with
the Cubs, is always competed for a World Series with
the Phillies. He's gonna go somewhere where he can stay competitive.
I don't know if he'll get thirty million. Maybe he
will hits a ton of home runs and that gets
you a lot of money. Strikes out a lot though,
and he is just a dh which, by the way,
(13:00):
where would that put McCutcheon if they were to sign
Kyle Schwarber, he have no spot.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, what I see from the marks on Twitter is
that at PNC he could play right field.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
McCutcheon no, no, no, cause it's yeah, I don't know
what's more laughable do that?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Maybe they could both play right field at the same time,
and also right field figured into the other pretend reasoning
for him coming here because the short porch.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, just hit home runs, cy name Swarbur hit even
more home runs, Yeah I could.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I don't think Swarbur needs a short port.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah. I don't think so either. He's doing just fine
and he had like fifty plus home runs this year. Yeah,
that's the most laughable thing to advance, that that the
pirates would be in on him. But it's setting the
pirates up for another almost gotcha. They already have one
in their back pocket with Josh Naylor. We were so
close to get Josh Naylor just a couple million dollars away.
Now we'll be so close to Getkyles Swarbur wctual.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It was like thirty million away and he wouldn't want
to come here anyway. But uh but Schwarbur I got
a bit. I like Schwarber. He's kind of fat, didn't
he Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh yeah, for sure. Est fine is that un chunky.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
They could use some awaken or maybe maybe it would
take away his power. No, I'm energized, Tom. It adds
to my power. And uh, you know, he hits like
what a bug ninety seven? Yes, you know, but he
walks because they're scared of him. He's like kind of
my favorite player as a kid was Dave Kingman.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
He's like, oh ladder Dave. Dave Kingman bit a left
handed hitter.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yeah, Bug ninety seven I think was two years ago.
He liked in the two fifties. This year, like this
is his banner year. It's a perfect year for him
to be a free agent, which is why it's even
more laughable that he would land in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, it's laughable with the Japanese guys too.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Although Young Ho Kung came to the Pirates, although he
got a bunch of Duy's, was accused of sexual assault
and got deported, and he was Korean anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And you pointed out so many times that era top
Bob Nunning a lesson. He did try to spend a
little bit more in that era, gave Neil Huntington the
keys more to go out and buy players, sign players
to multi year deals, get a guy like Jung Hogung
out other teams for that guy. And then he went
to the playoffs a few years and Bob Nutty was like, oh,
I didn't make any extra money. In fact, I probably
(15:06):
lost money. This is not the way to go about this.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
How about Gung went back to Korea and like got
in more trouble there. And even though he was the
returning hero who did pretty good at MLB for a
couple of years, anyway, he was gonna said, Nah, he's too.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Much trouble, too much trouble.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Just can't stop getting UIs that's his problem?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, why would you? It takes me to believe he
can't stop drinking.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Well, okay, whatever, but like hire a private driver, right, uh?
Someone you have millions of dollars from.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Tom that takes away the fun of drinking. I'm totally joking,
totally joking. You know what ankered me about the Passing
report is that buck O Marks believed that crap because
Passing said it, because he's so credible. But all that
crap got fed to pass In by the Pirates by
I would assume the GM Ben Sherrington, and he just
(15:53):
regurgitated it. Because you know how much news is there
about the pirates. He he didn't want to research. He
just took what he was given. Not that the research
would have produced anything different, because the Pirates are wholly uninteresting,
but he just passed along fake news.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean, do you really think.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Passing thinks for a second Tom even one second that
Kyle Schwarber might sign with the Pirates.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
No, there's no chance he does. He's smarter than that.
At least I think he's smarter than that. He did
pass along fake news. And you know what if Ben
Sherrington calls you up or whoever calls you up, and
he feeds you all this line, all these lines, this
bs this propaganda and you want to run with it, fine,
run with it, but why not put the disclaimer where
you're like, I just want to let you guys know,
my personal opinion, Jeff Passon is that this is propaganda
(16:39):
that I will wait to see the actions play out
because this team has given a little.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Sad for that's a little dramatic.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But if I were him, m'd say I'd say, the
Pirates are reportedly interested in signing Kyle Schwarber, but why
would he want to go there?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Something like that. You just haven't painted in that light.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The money being equal, maybe, but the money just won't
be equal.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Because that at least saves your credibility a little bit
if you're Jeff Passing, Although no one's looking at his
credibility because no one outside of this market cares what
he said.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Passon's also a kind of guy who's ya baseball. Jo
never has heard a discouraging word. I mean sometimes he's
analytical to the point of negativity, But none of those
baseball guys do that, you know, on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
They, like I said, they're mostly ya baseball.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And all we got from the local baseball writers except
for Parada is yay baseball as well.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, we talked about that a little bit yesterday. Like
when you look at the national Baseball writers, there's no
one that just crushes a team like the Pirates like
they should. They just don't care about them. They won't
cover them unless you know, the GM feeds them stuff. Well,
nobody out there should believe one positive thing about them.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I mean the in the event that we get double
crossed and they do something right, then we should all
deal with it then. But until that that moment, don't trust,
don't believe, and don't invest emotionally because it'll only get
your heart broken. The big offseas he's a move for
the Pirates, will be trading Mitch Keller, like I've been
(18:04):
saying for months, and all they'll get is at best
the hitting equivalent of Mitch Kellor Keller, which is a
guy who, like what pretty good, maybe a number six
or seven hitter. But it's not like you're trading Cy Young.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
A trade of that similar ilk already happened to Grayson
Rodriguez from the Oriels went to the Angels for an outfielder,
Taylor Ward. Taylor Ward was linked to the Pirates at
the trade deadline, I think for a couple of years
for some guy. Yeah, Grace Rodriguez isn't as accomplished, i'd say,
as Mitch Keller is at the mob level. But how
accomplished is Mitch Keller at the mob level? He stinks
in every second half of the season. His ERA is
(18:36):
always over four at the end of the year. So
he's just a ham and ager too. So yeah, it's
just gonna be a fringe, you know, fourth guy in
your rotation being traded for a fringe. Maybe he's a
starting outfielder, but probably more like a bench outfielder.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Tom James Franklin was uh yesterday introduced as the Virginia
Tech coach. Two months ago he was at Penn State.
They were ranked number two in the country just two
months ago. That's insane, ain't.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
It's crazy, and he was on McAfee today and he's
sitting in the office with the hokey helmets behind him
and the big VT logo on his chest.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
It is like a.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Bizarro world almost. I think you're right that Penn State
made a huge mistake there. And don't get me wrong,
I'm not mad that they made a huge mistake. But
who are they gonna hire in this cycle that's gonna
be better than that? Like Virginia Tech already is by
far the front runner in a lot of people's eyes.
They just hit a home run grand Slam as far
as they're higher. And you're Penn State and you're seeing that,
and you're like, oh, wait a minute, why are they
talking about our old coach like that? Tom, You were
(19:30):
at the game, so you probably didn't see this.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I didn't get exactly what was going on because
I watched the Pit Notre Dame game like I usually
watch a football with the sound turned down, like blasting
Zeppelin or Motley.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Or something like that. It's pretty badass. I didn't know.
I always do it. It's awesome. I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Tony Dorsett did a sideline interview at that Pit game
and was pretty much out of it, like lost his
train of thought like four or five times, you know,
because of the sea. Yes, it made him look bad.
It made the whole situation look sad. It was like
a CTE infomercial, Tom. Why would pitt allow that? Why
would ESPN do that?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I didn't know that it had happened, because, like you said,
I was at the game and.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I love Tony.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I mean he was when I was a kid, he
was everything, and I've had him on the show.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I revere him. I just wanted to cry. Yeah, it
was tough to listen to and just unnecessary. You make
him mention that Tony's there. You get him on the
camera right like with some b roll shots like there's
Tony on the sidelines, like maybe he can wave to
the camera or something like that, but he just you
don't need to put him with a mike.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know what you do? You know what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You tape it and you get one SoundBite of a
five minute interview where he's still Tony dor set.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's perfect, and you play that. That's what you do.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
So that's very irresponsible, Like I said, on the part
of Pitt In on the part of ESPN, A specially.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
To make him live. Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Do you think ESPN secretly, secretly thinks, well, you know,
he looked bad, but people are gonna talk about it
because that all ESPN wants. Now.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
They don't care if it's any good, they don't care
if it should be on TV. All they want is
for people to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I don't know if they came from that angle, but
I think they did come from it from an angle
of who cares how it looks. It's having Tony Dorset
on and that's all that counts is that we get
to you know, the screen grab of door set on
the set, the heisman in front of them.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
In just a moment. I bet that was OJ's heisman
in just a moment. Wonder where that is now?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
O j S heisman.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
That's a great question. Do you think they like smelted
it down or something.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
To one point the Goldman family had it. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I think they got because they get a ton of
stuff right like everything OJ MA.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I don't know if you know where OJ's heisman is,
Let me know what I want to know. Let me
know on Twitter at Mark Madden x when we come back.
There's a lot being made of and I barely talked
about it yesterday, but it's become a crost celeb. Cam
Scattabo of the New York Giants rookie back got physical
at a wrestling show on TV. We'll talk about the
(21:57):
fallout from that in a minute. And I have ack
him on it that you can't really get unless you
worked for a wrestling company, which I did for eight
years and it paid for my house.
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Speaker 2 (22:26):
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Speaker 1 (22:28):
I got a little bit of Steelers news trickling in
Corey Thrice. The dB wasn't activated from IR today, so
it appears like his season is again over.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Just cut this guy. He's hurt all the frigging time.
He's brittle.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You know that ain't his fault, but it ain't the
Steelers fault either. I mean, just dump them, Tom. They're
wasting time with this guy. It used to be a
sad story. Now it's aggravating. It is aggravating. It's just
over for him, I think. And again, sometimes players just
get their career derailed by injuries. I don't think that he's,
you know, super brittle guy. He's just had unfortunate things
(23:05):
happened to him.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
He's obviously a super brittle guy. I don't know about that.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, caim Corey Trice if you're listening, if you he's like,
you've frustrated.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Us long enough. He's like Bo Bennett a little bit. No,
Bo Bennett played way more than Corey Trice. What was
it like twenty games?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
No, no Bo, Please, you're giving Bo a bad rap.
He was hurt a lot, but he wasn't. He wasn't
half as brittle as Corey Trice.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, they just need to cut bait with this guy.
I honestly thought this year at the beginning of the season,
they should have just cut bait with him.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And you know what heightens the aggravation is we keep
getting getting told how good he is, right, and they
need a corner desperately and.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Then he never plays now speaking injured.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
One of the big stories in the NFL, which I
inexplicably gave short shrift to yesterday, Cam Scattabo, the rookie
running back from the New.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
York Football Giants. Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
He got physical on Monday Night Raw WWE on Netflix.
I got in a shoving match with a bunch of
heels sitting at ringside. A bunch of his teammates were
there too. Scatamo was getting criticized and he should you know,
he got that bad break ankle dislocation, ligament damage on TV.
(24:15):
They didn't even want to show it because part of
his leg was facing the wrong way. Everybody was crying
for the kid. And he does stupid crap at a
wrestling show.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
What a mark.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And then he issued this whiney not denial, but he said,
I'm just having fun. They took my fun away from
me when I got hurt. This is my way of
having fun. Blah blah blah. Shut the frig up. You
meet at gym, teacher. Like I said earlier, he could
be a fourth Watt brother or a third Kelsey brother. Yo, dude,
I mean have fun. But you gotta read the room. Tom,
(24:53):
you just can't do that if you're Scatterbo again. You
got to read the room. And there is some element
of risk.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
There, yeah, without question right, Like I know that it
is kind of a controlled environment, but things can go
wrong in that environment.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
There was a whole crowd of giants in Judgment Day,
the faction with Dominic Mysterio.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
They were pushed and shoven. That's rough.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And what if Scatabo falls down, or what if it
falls down and one of his teammates behind that metal
barrier falls on that injured leg.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Correct, There was just so many risks that were involved
in it. It is just such a dumb look for
him to do that. And hey, if you're healthy and
you want to show up on ww E, RA, I
got no problem with that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Well, one thing you got to understand, Tom, And I
can say this because I worked for a wrestling company,
World Championship Wrestling from ninety three through two thousand. The
wrestling company doesn't care at all. If Scatabo would have
reinjured that leg, made it worse, WBE secretly would have
said good, that's another headline, and a bigger headline. It
involves WBE and it's not us that gets hurt. It's
(25:55):
the giants in Scatibo, and we don't care at all
about them. It's all about the pop, It's all about
the publicity. At WCW, we had Kevin Green at ringside
four days before Super Bowl thirty in nineteen ninety six.
We FLEWM to Vegas on the Steelers' day off and
had him in Hal Cogan's corner. Now he didn't get involved,
(26:18):
I mean a little bit peripherally, but nothing dangerous. But
he was still there in the middle of Super Bowl week.
Whose idea was that mine? That's who the super genius,
big points scored by me with the bosses. And then,
even more shockingly, we compromised the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals.
We had Rodman miss practice between Games three and four
(26:39):
to come into an angle on WCW Monday. Nitro and
Phil Jackson and Jordan they didn't lose their minds too
bad because it's the middle of the final and they
need Rodman.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
They're trying to win the championship. They need Rodman.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And then in Game six, everybody remembers, I'm sure you
do too, the shoving match they rolled on the court
between Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone when they were already
build to be in a tag team match at Bash
at the Beach. The subsequent July, Rodman and hal Kogan
against Malone in Diamond Dallas Page. At one point during
(27:14):
the Shenanigans in Game six, Malone threw up the Diamond
Cutters signed with his hands ddp's hand gesture.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
We told them to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
We compromised the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
And I'm shocked.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I mean, Pablo Torri talked about on his podcast not
too long ago, but nobody has made a big deal
out of it, like you'd think they would.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
But the point is, we didn't care if Rodman got
in trouble.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
We didn't care if people saw through what they did
rolling around on the court in Game six.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
We just cared about WCW.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Just as in this instance, all w cared about was
itself and certainly not Camp Scattaba. I mean, Scatabo is
small potatoes compared to what we did in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Oh, without question it is.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
I mean you're talking about the NBA five vinyls there
and even the other thing that you did with Kevin Green.
I mean you're talking about the week before the Super Bowl,
a healthy player, a marquee player on the Steelers' roster
in the corner for Hawk Hogan there.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So yeah, it was at a much bigger scale.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
We didn't have to beg him to do it either.
We just gave him the private jet from from Temp
Bay to Vegas. I mean we paid him, but he
was such a mark. He loved it and a big
halk Cogan fit doo. Same with same with uh Malone Malone. Okay,
Rodman just wanted money. Okay, Malone was a mark. But
that said, Rodman was so easy to work with. I
love Dennis. I ran in from years later and he
(28:33):
could not have been more gracious.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Remembered me.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
He said, Hey, an answer guy, and I said, hey
basketball guy. But uh yeah he was wonderful and Malone
was kind of a pain. But uh but still at work.
That that to this Well, the company folded in two thousand,
not long after I left. Draw your own conclusions, but uh,
that was our highest drawing pay per view ever. Uh
that tag match on the heels of the NBA Finals,
(28:56):
you know, about a month and a half before.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah, ww is under no moral obligation to be like,
should we ask Skattabo to do this? He is hurt?
They might not like that very much, of course not.
It's up to Scatabo to say no. And he is
a perfect mark, don't you think, like he loves WW.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Oh if I could have pict just about any bed
in the NFL to be a WW market. It put
himself in personal risk to do something on TV. Although
don't forget remember when Ben got on in the ring
on TV not to do something physical, but he did
like the DX crotch chop.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah, and he had the lineman too. Weren't the lineman
out there with him to this day? If Ben was
a mark for wrestling or just a mark for being
on TV, yeah, he's a superstar in Pittsburgh. I'm sure
it was more about that being on TV getting the
crowd pop as a young person one time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Remember that running back we had years ago, Chris fu
He was on IR and he got in the ring
and got physical in an ECWS show in front of
like two thousand people done at the Convention Center. That's
what wrestling does. Wrestling finds celebrities who are marks and
milks them for whatever they can.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Yeah, and Scattabo is perfect marked there. It's perfect as
far as WWE is concerned. I mean they're they're talking
about it on a first take right now without him
having to force a WWE segment like they do, because
ESPN's in bed with them. Like now it's about from
the angle of all they got involved with the NFL
scatter bow.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
This is stupid on here.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just reminded me like Dominique Fox, like it's no big
deally just having fun. Then again, the player is always
good player. But but that whole segment just reminded me
how much I don't trust ESPN. How it's all fake
news now because they're in bed with.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Everybody, everybody, I mean, NFL, WWE. It's literally just like
a PR station now at this point for the leagues.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Tom.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
We'll get into this, uh later in the show. It
may be a little bit more next segment. But how
about is Chicago at at seven to three and leading
a great division?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
How much are you buying in? Not buying in too much?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
To be honest with you, you don't think they'll win
the division? I don't think they will. I think the
Lions will still win the division. They're stumbling a little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's just the fact they like they missed the coordinators,
and it's just a fact camps just to cheerlead.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
I don't know about that, really don't.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
And just the fact that they lost to the Vikings
with a better team. No, he might not have a
better team. I mean Rabel's nine to two right now.
So I mean those coaches are doing pretty well.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I just think it wears off that very well.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Might Campbell needed them to coordinators.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I just don't think that the Bears haven't beaten anybody good.
And the last time the Bears played the Lions got
hammered fifty two to twenty one.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
And they go a bit lucking that the Vikings have
clearly fallen off because they made the wrong decision at quarterback.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Green Bay, I mean Green Bay just is that you
can't take them seriously. They're immature.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Whatever it is they never had, they still haven't sure.
They're not that much better with Micah Parsons, which amazes me.
And I think we've all overestimated Jordan Love. I think
it's from up above.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
I think it's more that part too, Although he torched
the hell out of the Steelers on that Sunday Night
football game. But the defense has been great with Micah Parsons,
like one of the best defenses in football. They just
lose games to like the Panthers sixteen to ten. That's inexcusable.
You're buying it to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's starting to a little bit more, getting better, starting
to start him for the long term. He's think he's
going to be a really good quarterback. I think right
now he's still capable of the second year blunders.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
He's like a five tool prospect of baseball right Like,
he's got everything to his game. Arms, perfect, mobility, is great,
good pocket presence. That's getting better. With Ben Johnson. I
take the Bears seriously as far as their future is,
concerning their trajectory, like, I think they're going to be
a problem soon.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
I just think they're a little ahead of themselves. But
the numbers indicate their problem.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Now. They have the number four offense, they have the
number two running game. They do blow you off the ball.
But here's the weird thing both teams. Now, I'll get
into the numbers later, Tom, both teams are so relying
on takeaways. It's like, if there's no takeaways in this game,
it could be like a ten to three game.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, their defense, you can run on their defense. They're
not that stout in the passing game, but they have
fifteen in scon.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You ever can't run on their defense? Can't you have
to run?
Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's it like that's a huge problem there is. The
matchup is telling you to run the ball on this
defense and you have seen nothing from the running game.
And also Jalen warrens hurt going into this game. To
make you feel confident that you can do, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Darnell Washington on some podcasts might have been cams revealed
his real way. He's listed at two sixty five, but
he revealed his real weight what it is.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Take a guess. It's definitely over three hundred, right, I'll
tell you later. That's what we call a tas in
the radio business. One O five ninety X.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's The Woody Show Weekend mornings and six THREEET Kenny
on one O five nine.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Flex Basketball is back in the landing Tank, Mark Meddon
and Tom up for men on one O five nine
The Es.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
More updates from Steelers practice. Aaron Rodgers said he's gonna
practice tomorrow and so he's obviously going to play on Sunday,
Alex Highsmith practice but very peripherally away from the group,
kind of doing some work on his own, almost like
he's holding in and Jalen Warren was not practicing. So
it looks like Kenneth Gainwell gonna step in is the
(33:49):
number one back, although I shouldn't say that there's a
couple more days for him to return. Tom, I don't
know if it would be a big drop off from
Warren to Gainwell simply because of the way Warren is
used or rather not you.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
No, I don't think it'll be a big drop off
at all. We've seen this already this year too in
Dublin for the Ireland game against the Vikings. Didn't have
Warren in that game. Game Welde did a really good job.
I would love if Caleb Johnson could get maybe a
little bit more opportunity if Warren can't go, if they
maybe give him like ten carries in this game, I
think it's worthwhile. But they just are so resistant to that.
Although he is getting a little more play.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
They're just resistant to relying on the running game more
than whatever the freg elson is they're doing. I can't
believe that they have trouble throwing the ball, that they
have no number two receiver, That they are pretty good
at running the ball when they do it, but they
don't do it nearly enough.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
And that's the path against the Bears.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Whether it's your backup quarterback Rudolph in there or your
quarterback Rogers with a bum wrist, you got to hand
the ball off a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You got to run against the Bears defense.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Steelers are six and four, right, yes, the way they're coached,
how the hell did they win six?
Speaker 2 (34:48):
How the hell did they win any?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Isn't that what the national media does every year though,
But from the opposite end of the spectrum where it's
not like with the way they're coached, how did they
do that? It's like with the way that they're assembled
in this team, it's a miracle that coaching staff got
this to six nineteen while the.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Coach dissembles the team in Pittsburgh more than most teams
even uh, what do we got from the trifecta? Tom
brodtlist by Danny's Petron Hogies Pittsburgh's original even bake togy
since nineteen sixty. That's Danny's and it is great on
Root eighty eight and Bethel Park for the trifecta.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Today, I've got three jukebox musical movies. I do like
this genre of movies, Mark, They're fun, you know. The
jukebox musical are musicals that aren't, you know, written specifically
for the movie. They riff on other popular songs, like
they'll take a Guns and Roses song, right, They'll take
an ACDC song Okay. Characters will say, you know that
was the terminology.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yes, I was gonna break into Foreigner be a juke
bucks here roll.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Well, actually there's a movie on this list that has
that song in it, but that's not number three, number three.
I doubt you've seen this movie pitch Perfect. Maybe you
have come across it every once in a while, though.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Is it like a high school musical knockoff?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Not really a high school musical knockoff. They're like an
a cappella group, I think. But there's some great songs
in here that they sing like a Virgin is one
of them that they riff on Mickey, Hey, Micky, you're
so fine. What a fun song that is?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And so many hot chicks in it, like Anna Kendrick.
I mean, come on, doesn't get much better than that.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, I liked High School Musical.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
You know why, Vanessa Hudgens and Zach Zach Effron.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
He looked really good.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I forgot about Zach Efron for earlier second there. I
think I'm really good. I think you've seen this movie.
Rock of Ages is my number two. Tom Cruise, you
didn't like it, great songs, didn't so many good songs.
Paradise City Sister Christian Jukebox Hero is in that one.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I love rock and roll.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Talk dirty to me. I mean it's awesome. It's surprising
that you don't like it. And Tom Cruise was so
good in it. Alec Baldwin's in it too, you.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Know what I no, I don't like it rewatch, Probably
not Alec bald I forgot about Alec Baldwin's in it. Yes,
I will say Tom Cruise, I've said for years he's
the last bankable movie star, the last guy that people
will go and see a movie specifically because he's in
it and not care what genre movie it is.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
And it's amazing that it's still the case. Right, He's
gotta be sixty yes, if not maybe sixty five. Getting
Culture looks good.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
As good as Zach Geffer.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Great plastic surgeon absolutely, and scientology. Scientology keeps you young,
I guess. But to your point, he's still such a draw,
Like he saved the movie Theater box Office with top
Gun Maverick. Remember when COVID was just killing everybody in
the movies, no one was gonna go anymore. Then Tom
Cruise saved the day. My number one juke sixty three.
He looks great for sixty three, look looks great for
(37:25):
like forty three. My number one jukebox musical? Though? Is
The Blues Brothers maybe the best Saturday Night Live movie
ever made?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Didn't like it? Didn't like The Blues Brothers, So you
don't like Duke Thoughts musical. I liked it, but I
like you think not hold it? Well?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Now, I was gonna say Animal Hospital, that's more of
a national Saturday Live movie. Yeah, And and Caddy Check movie. Yes, yeah,
you're right, it probably is? What other what other Saturday
Night Live movies are there?
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Because I would throw Wayne's World up there as a
good contender.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
What we overrated Wayne's World from the get go, both
the skit and the especially the movies.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
It's tough to make a skit into a movie.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's tough to stretch something that is like three minutes
into something that's two hours. Now.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
I have a very niche loving of the movie mcgroober
by Will Forte. I think it's just because Will Forte
is just about full proof. Will fortetes full proof. Jericho
is in it at the beginning, he blows up in
the van and the name of the.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Villa if only, if only life would have been taed art.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
The name of the villain of val Kilmer is just beautiful.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Let's let's be careful there, tom.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
By the way, I'm gonna do a reveal because radio
research shows the tease is less effective if you don't reveal.
In the next segment, Darnell Washington has listed at two
sixty five, but he said that he wastes three eleven,
and I think he's lying.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I think he's gotta be. I think he's going to
be like three thirty ish.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I mean, my god, though, even if it's three eleven,
that gotta be the heaviest eligible receiver in history without question,
aside the occasional you know, extra line and the guy
who declares like like Zach Banner who is now Spencer Anderson.
In terms of a guy who's living as being a
receiver three eleven thought to be the heaviest.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Oh, without question, he's six foot seven to two on top.
I mean, it's just ridiculous. There's a lineman I'm sure
tackles that aren't even three eleven three right now.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
That run he had against Cincinnati where he like, you know,
stiff farm one guy bowled another guy over, you know what,
made it even more endearing and probably more viral, even.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Though nobody says this.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Even in executing that he looked, oh fish, he looked
like stumbling, bumbling, rumbling.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like when he caught the ball, it was almost like
he needed his legs to keep up with him. That's
exactly which made it all the better. Yeah, I agree
with that.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Us fat guys, we we we know our own we
know what we'd do in a situation like that, and
he did it better than I would have.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
I just wish he would have finished it off and
gotten to the end zone. That's the only thing he
did wrong.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I like the fact that when he was out of bounds,
he gave the last guy near him like one extra bump.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, exactly. That might have been the best part of it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Up next, a closer look at that Steelers Bears game
on Sunday. Both these teams rely on takeaways. What if
Faint neither gets any one oh five ninety X, it's
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