October 23, 2025 • 34 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk about how awful the Steelers defense is. They talk some Penguins and Panthers too, and some gambling moments in movie history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Madden Show. Today's show is going
to be real provocative. At four o'clock, we've got Eddie
Johnston EJ who's going into the Penguins Hall of Fame
Saturday before the home game it's Columbus. And at five
o'clock a guy named Jimmy DeNardo who is a member
of the Akrosher Stadium grounds crew, and he's going to
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talk about how they prepped the field and what the
problems have been like when Killerbrew blew out his knee
and when Boswell slipped on that field goal attempt. So
that's an unusual but I believe a very provocative guest.
Today's a provocative show. I now bring on Tommy Radio.
Tom Do you hate the Steelers defense as much as
I do? Is hate the proper word.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think hate is the proper word because it's sorely
letting this team down right now. I mean, this team
was supposed to be built on this defense. They said
it was historic. Several members of the defense, including the
head coach, said it was historic in this office. Some
would actually use that word, yeah, in the historic. On
the DV Morning Show, he said he thinks it could
be historic. What a friggin moron, So it was supposed
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to be. Rogers just comes in and does just enough
to ride a great defense and what should have been
a strong running game.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, no, he's carrying it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
They're four and two because of Rogers, which actually is
to his credit, No, no doubt, I think Rogers.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But we should remember that that Justin Fields won four
of his first six starts and Russell Wilson won five
of his first six starts.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But I do think Rogers is at a different.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Level, especially like we've been harping on thinking the game
and the pre snap stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And Rodgers has had to deal with a crap defense.
I mean it's a crap defense. Fields didn't have to
deal with this crappy of a defense last year.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You think Rodgers has figured out it's a crap defense.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yes, Rogers is very familiar with crap defenses over his career,
letting him down. That happened a lot in Green Bay.
He knows it when he sees it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, but don't you think this is the most extreme failure,
maybe of any defense he's played on a team with.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Because it's the highest pace.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, a ton of big names runs it, Smuth and
it blows.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You could absolutely say that. I mean they do two things. Well, Well,
they sacked the quarterback. They have five sacks, or their
fifth in sacks this year, although they didn't do it
that well against Flacco. And they have the fourth most takeaways.
But they've gone two straight games without forcing a turnover.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, how about that stat. They've only for seventeen punts
all year.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They can't get off the field unless it's by a takeaway.
They are not a defense that is built to force
a team into three and outs. For whatever reason, they
just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, no, I know the reason.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They play really deep in the secondary trying to prevent
the big play, and because of that they died death
by a thousand cuts.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The defense just can't get, like you said, a three
and out.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And how many times have you pointed this out? Mark
today's day in age third and twelve for these quarterbacks
is nothing they don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well that's why.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And again to reiterate, I'm surprised no one's picked up
on this, but then again, I am smarter than just
about everybody. The first and second on sack doesn't matter.
It's too easy to get the back. The only sack
that really matters is the third down or fourth on sack.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Perfect example of that against the Bengals. Benton gets a
sack on the first years I think it's on second down.
It looks like, oh, here was gonna sack Flacco. The
next play he hits Higgins for like a fifteen yard
pass for a first down on third down.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Dipstick Bent, who said one good game in his entire
NFL career, was on some podcast running his mouth about
how good the defense is.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They can't stop. They literally cannot stop. They get run
all over by the worst rushing offense in football. And
he goes on a podcast and says, we still have
one of the best defensive lines in all of the league.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
What is it that the definition of gas lighting just
telling a lie into truth.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yes, you just speak it so many times that it
becomes it manifests into reality almost.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Now I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Do you feel like the Minka trade for Ramsey and
John who now looks like a bust? It seemed great
when they made it, but safety play is killing that defense.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's a bust because they're not getting enough out of
Ramsey and they're definitely not getting enough out of John who.
But I don't know if Mink is any good either,
you know what I mean. I just think it might
just be three players that aren't very good, two of
them that are kind of washed up, been making Ramsey
and John is just as.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think Ramsey's doing his best. I think he's been
asked to do too much and be too versatile. I
think I think he's become mediocre through versatility.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
They should just leave him in the slot. He cannot
play outside anymore. There's just no chance he can do that.
I bet you when Chase comes to town Tho in
a couple of weeks, they put him on the outside again.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
People talk about, you know, they need to get a
white out. What they really need to get is a safety.
They need to have Slay and Porter on the outside,
Ramsey and the slot, and go get a safety to
compliment Elliott.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
One thing I disagree with you there. I don't know
if Slave should be on the outside. They should just
probably put Echos down there now or outside now. At
this point. Slagh is awful too.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
But don't you agree that a safety to compliment Elliott
is a bigger need than a white out?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, Elliott's great as the strong safety, but they got.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Nothing in the great he's good enough.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'll say this, I got over.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, Elliott's your best safety. You're in trouble. That doesn't
mean he ain't good, but he should be your second
best safety.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And furthermore, the drop off between him and Thornhill or
Chuck Clark or Pepper's when they decide to play pas.
I mean those guys just.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Think, what would you bench Peyton Wilson to play Hulcom Moore?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yes, I would actually play Malik Harrison more. He started
practicing a full go this week. If he can get
back up to speed, wouldn't be this week. It'd be
more of a Hulcome week this week. But moving forward,
Malik Harrison's kind of like that at Landon Roberts type
of inside linebacker that you need against the run.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, and you got Karol lost today saying, well, we
don't play the dime as much because Peyton Wilson's good
in pass coverage.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No he's not. He sucks so bad pass.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But again that's another he gaslighted. I'm the best pass
coverage linebacker in the world. He's not. He sucks, But
people repeat that quote. He got burned.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
In that preseason game against Jacksonville and oh, it's a
preseason game, we'll see, but that was an omen.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And this is why I hate the defense. If they
sucked and shut up, they'd be easier to live with.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Like if Benton went on that podcast, in his SoundBite
was we're one of the worst defensive lines in football
right now until we prove otherwise. That's the SoundBite you
should have.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
No, the best sound from Keonu Benton should be silence.
He should shut the frig up. Peyton Wilson should shut
the frig up. But the thing is with benching Peyton
Wilson to playing holkome more. You don't only bench people
no more. You change the rotation in the snapcot Nobody
really gets bench, do.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They, unless you're Nick Herbig apparently against the Bengals, who
only plays twenty nine percent of the snaps.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah. But as I've said, I buy into that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think he's put in a position to succeed, although
I do think Highsmith sucks and I think two of
the worst mistakes.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
This team makes so many.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Mistakes that we don't call mistakes, but they're crippling mistakes,
and two of them are signing high Smith and Firemouth
to those deals.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Back to your original point of playing hulkom more than
Wilson and what I said about playing Echos more than
Sligh that really does nothing. You're just shifting chairs on
the Titanic. I mean, those guys aren't going to come
in and be great inside linebackers and outside corners. It's
just the guys that have been starting sucks. So you
got to try something else.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know, you know what's happened.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The team sucks and we're no, seriously, We're We're like like,
it's like I've been reading a lot on Pearl Harbor lately,
which is very interesting, and this is like trying to
figure out why the us SS Arizona blew up. I'll
tell White blew up. They dropped the bomb into the
ammunition hole. That's what happened to Steelers defense. Like Joe
Flacco is the latest to drop a bomb into the
ammunition hold.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And then meanwhile, the offense isn't bad led by Aaron Rodgers.
It's not great, but it's good enough to probably get
him to nine and eight.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Anyway, nine and eight could win the division.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Lamar's gonna play this week. I know he's been limited
all the way. But he's gonna play.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They beat chicag you think so, I do. If they don't,
they're not gonna win the division.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
If they don't there because you don't go from one
to six to winning a division, you just don't.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It really hinges on what they do this week against
the Bears. If they beat them, though, I think they
start rolling downhill.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well we'll talk more about this later, but you know
who's gonna make a runners the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The you're gonna beat the Jets, be four and four.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I was just gonna ask you that, how can you
write off the Bengals though they're three and four. They're
in the position behind the Steelers to strike. They play
the Steelers again, they beat the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'll be on bet Park seeing with the odds on
for them to win the division. I'm interested. What's going
wrong with Porter? I expected more, but like I said,
the Steelers do so bad with Corner.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You know, I was with Matt Williamson last night doing
the show we do out at Parks Social, and he
was saying they're stuck playing a lot of zone again
because Ramsey's cooked and can't play man Sleigh can't play
man and Porter Junior is a man de man type
of corner. But my point to him was why can't
he play zone?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Why is he so garbage at zone?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Then?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And also when he's in man to man he's also
not playing that graat he's grabbed me?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
But why can't he just play man?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I don't We can't do man on one side and
zone on the other. That's a rae can this defense
with their communication issues? You want him to do two
different kinds of defenses, one side versus the other.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, you got a point.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
By the way, in Baltimore that defense is collapsed just
like Pittsburgh's. They talk about communication issues too. Whenever you
hear in defense say we have communication issues, they are
saying we suck.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
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Speaker 3 (08:59):
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Speaker 1 (09:12):
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Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's gonna be a big one.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Tom is Florida crippled by the injuries to Kachuck and
bark Off and just exhausted too by by three straight
trips to the Stanley Cup Final. I've seen Florida play
a couple of times. It's October. They just look frazzled.
I bet they do not make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh, I think it's a little bit more of the latter,
maybe because they were dealing with injuries last year.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Not to that's their two best players, bark up In, Kachuk.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
True, and they're out for Barkoff's done for the season,
right like there's.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Barkos up in there. Kachuk, Well, he's gonna come back
playing the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Get hurt in the Olympics, because they always get hurt
the Kuchuk's, there's just they can't avoid it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, the ka Chucks could smarten up a little bit.
They're they're incredibly effective at the way they play. And
you know, look at Kachuck in that Four Nations, but
he was crippled at the end. It couldn't help much.
And you know he's obviously won a couple cups with Florida,
but maybe both Ka Chuck because Brady's hurting out too.
For Ottawa, maybe to be better if they didn't approach
every shift like a three car pile up.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like you're so good, we need single shit right like
we need you on the ice. It's okay to get
into a car pile up every game, but let's you know,
spread it out a little bit. It doesn't have to
be every shift. We need you out there.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Boys. Well, here's where Florida screwed.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Not only are you missing your your stars, your two
best players, but guys have to move up the lineup.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Then in your depth is compromise.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Case of point Sam Bennett, who had a billion goals
last year, he has one goal in eight games this year.
He's better when he's below Barkoff in the depth, you
know what I mean, Like you aren't on the other
team's radar as much, and now he is. And now
guys who you know where the minor leagues are their
fourth line this year. Marshaan's their leading score. Top if
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Brian Marshawan to date, thirty seven is leading score.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Good for him, but you're going, no.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You're not gonna go anywhere with that. They're four and
four out of the gates, so it's not like terrible.
They're kind of just you know, treading. They're three and
zero at home and one and four on the road though,
so I mean Penguin's trying to go in there and
give them their first.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Home Well that's their biggest, biggest hope is that they
can keep making good with home cooking and pray on
how bad the Eastern Conference is and maybe by the
time the playoffs start you get ka Chuck back.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You would have ever thought of Florida team would have
home cooking, Well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I mean when they stink, they don't because nobody goes
when they're not any.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Good, right, But it's the only thing going right now
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's funny Florida and Tampa have you know, been successful.
Florida with these last couple of Cups in Tampa Bay
has been has won championships. But still if they go
back to being I mean, nobody will go like you know,
what's funny they win, but there shouldn't be teams.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
There, you know, not to take it to a place
where they're not even playing them tonight. But you brought
up Tampa. What a bad start for them?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Only four points so far. We were both talking about
them as maybe a sneaky team in the East at
the beginning of the season.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I like when we said Jake went there to win.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
No, Jake went there because that's who made the biggest
Off eight money and there's no state tax.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Florida missing the playoffs, I don't know if I can
get on board with that. I think they still might
bleed themselves. Then I wouldn't be surprised, and I don't
think that they have enough in the tank. If they
do sneak in to get out of the first round,
they'll probably be a one and done it the best
this year again?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Then again, was it the year they made the final
and lost year? The first year they won the Cup?
In this run that they finished eighth, they barely made
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
The Penguin almost beat them out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think was that the first one they made that
they lost.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I think that might have been the first Cup.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I'm not sure and then they lost that one, and
then they ripped off the back to back wins. You
brought this point up yesterday, though, This might just be
in their best interest to organically kind of not make
the playoffs or be that one and done and then
next year you come back with Barkoff healthy, could Chuck healthy.
Like their windows not closed by any stretch. This just
might be a year where they have to hit pause
a little bit, like there's still a Cup contender in
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the future.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh No, I think this.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Is just a really unfortunate Yeah, because of the injuries,
and like you said, maybe it would be better for
them if they just missed the playoffs and catch up
on their rest.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That sounds so so.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Losory, But when you've been in three straight finals, maybe
that that really is what's best. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, these guys have had what like two months
off for the past three offs, for the past three seasons.
It's just insane to sustain that kind of level of success. Plus,
don't you get kind of bored at this part of
the season when you've just come off of back to
back Cups, When you just come off of a Stanley
Cup like October hockey doesn't really do it for you,
does it like after you've been in those intense playoff
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matchups so often, no.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Having seen you know, the five peg with teams you know,
play the year after they won cups. It's kind of
a victory tour. I mean, may not be mining your
p's and q's tactically, but you're ready to play. There's
there's no question about that. By the way, Tom, you
were right. They had the eighth seed the year they
made the final and lost. They won the division the
first year they won the cup. Then last year they
finished third the division because they knew they didn't need
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to win.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The teams that have won figured that out. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Jarr's in goal tonight at Florida. Muse continues his straight
downe the middle goalie rotation and hey.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
It's working.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I can't blame them. Their fifth best in the league
goals against average. The Penguins is a team and they
have the eighth best safe percentage, so they're playing really well.
Both of them have the most shutouts. Sea LOFs has won,
Jari has won, So yeah, how could you knock it?
And really, Mark, who cares about you know, getting Jar
to be the goalie one or Sea loves to be
the goalie. Don't think neither of them are the future
of that.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Niche neither of them well. I think shil Loves might
wind up being more Schovs back up. Okay, but I
think that's the best either one of them can hope for,
is to be more Shofs backup. I don't know, maybe
next year, maybe even I don't know more self will
get a cup of coffee this year, but I think
next year the year after will be his breakthrough year.
The test with this goalie rotation, though, will be when
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one guy plays a really bad game and the other
guy follows up with a good game. Then do you
play the guy who with a good game a second
straight game when the other guy had played bad the
last time out?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I bet you that mus will still stick with his rotation.
I feel like he's the type of coach that will
cast stick.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I think the first time that situation occurs.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yes, and then if it doesn't play out better the
next time you know that the goalie lays a stinker again,
he might question his decisions.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think it's more likely that they both play bad
games in a row. That'll that'll make it. I have
faith in neither one.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, shilloves more than Jari, though I think these umber
Schill loves is the devil.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I don't know as well.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
These numbers are a bit of a mirage I think
at the beginning of the season. And you brought up
a great point yesterday. There's just not a lot of
high danger that they're facing. Like a lot of this
stuff is easy saves for them to make. It's an
easy ninety two save percenters that they have.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, because they're playing good defense and good systems in
front of them. Now, our buddy from the Athletic, Jesse Marshall,
brought up a good point about me, suggesting that Kendall
should play on Sid's wing. Kindall might be a better
center because he's so creative and that gives him more
room to operate in a neutral zone. But isn't this
the time to check everything, to try stuff. I mean,
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you can move Kendall to Sid's wing. If it doesn't work,
then you move him back to center. You're not married
to anything. I just want to find everything I can.
If indeed Kindall does get returned to junior after playing
what would it be three more games? Although I hear
more and more him and Brunicker staying.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Even if he does project to be a center in
the future, you want to be a top six center too, right,
You'd wanted to be centering one of the top two
lines and that's just not gonna happen here.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, and that's why you know it better next year
or the year after y. That's why you can't keep Geno.
You can't have Gino block Kindle.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
At nineteen right.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So like, if indeed Kindle is ready to be that
then which I mean he is only an eighteen year
old kid, we really don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I just don't think that put Kendall on Sidney Crosby's
wing for a spell would ruin him in any way.
It would make it impossible to get him back to
being a center or that be the long term goal
for him. Let him skate with one of the all
time great players for ten fifteen games. See how that works.
I bet you the Penguins says, you've noted would be
surprised that he has the IQ to keep up with.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Sid Who's the biggest surprise for the Penguins so far?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Do you have to say, Brassars, Fine, I guess you
have to, But you're still waiting for him to just
go back to being a bomb and he can't stay
on the second line like when the MC when McGroarty
gets healthy and do the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
With winning, and that's the problem with him producing. But yeah,
I agree like mcgroarty's the top six. The McGroarty should
be playing on Gino's wing. Brawsers Priory might wind up
being a real good third line guy.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
He's a middle six.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'd also say maybe Gino's hot second.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And I'm not gonna put McGroarty on the third line
to see if Brazo can keep being Eric Glyndross.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'd also say Gino's hot start is pretty surprising, but
we saw this last year. In fact, he was even
hotter last year when he started season.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You know what I'd say, Uh, Shaye and Watherspoon because
they don't suck being good defenders.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, they're okay, they're playing all right.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, especially Shae like who really saw anything coming from
Ryan Shay at the beginning of the season. Brunnick and Kenna,
we talked about this yesterday. Bruneck and Kendall adapting and
seamlessly fitting into the NHL like they have is very
impressive too.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And then they have to partner up with Tanger and
Carlson and and that's you know, not necessarily easy though Tanger.
Tanger had a good game in the game against Vancouver
and Carlston except for I think the third game he
was really bad. But but he's he's you know, played
pretty buttoned up. And I hate him because I hate why.
Because he's doing it because he felt snubbed by Sweden
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not picking him among the first six for the Olympics,
and he wants to prove something. How about just justifying
your bloated contract and helping a team win that you've
been nothing but an albatross around their neck since the
day you got here.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You're not under any illusion that it's you know, being
a good soldier for the new head coach too, setting
an example for the young guys.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think Eric.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Carl's thinks about nobody but himself, and he does it
in kind of a likable way.
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Speaker 1 (20:05):
We were talking earlier about the state of the AFC North.
Lamar Jackson is practicing for Baltimore. No word for sure
on whether he's gonna play when Chicago visits the Ravens
on Sunday, and you don't want to rush back Lamar
from his hammy butt.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Chicago don't stink this year.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They're four and two and Caleb Williams is better at quarterback,
and Baltimore's one and five, and if you lose to.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Chicago you're one and six.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You'd probably have to win out to make the playoffs
or win nine out of ten, But you don't win
nine out of ten after starting one and six, and
Baltimore stinks beyond just not having Lamar. I feel like
Cincinnati is much more likely to rally from three to
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four behind Flacco than Baltimore is to rally from one
to five.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Even if Lamar does come back.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Baltimore's defense is collapsed, maybe worse than the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Their safety suck.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
They got communication breakdowns into secondary That may sound vaguely familiar.
Baltimore's coach is a dope, just like the Steelers coach,
and I have zero faith in the Steelers, but they
are still so set up to win the division just
because of the way the division is crumbled to this point.
Although again, Cincinnati three and four just beat the Steelers
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plays host to the Jets this week, so Cincinnati will
be four and four. If the Steelers lose and Cincinnati wins,
Cincinnati is a half game behind. Yikes, I started to
like the Bengals. What if Flacco wins like four more
in a row. Do you take them out when Burrow
comes back? Of course you do, but that turf toast
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tricky Tom. What if Flacco would win like the next
four and they're, you know, either in first or real
close to the Steelers, and Burrow comes back and then
plays bat Do you just let him keep playing bad
and lose the division because he's Joe Burrow? Or do
you ride the hot hand with Flacco. That sounds ridiculous
to say, but would be incredibly intriguing to watch play out.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I honestly wonder if they won't even have to make
that decision because of what you said about turf Toe
being a real mother.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Sometimes it would not shock Burrow didn't play the rest
of the year. I think if there's any DoPT they
should have him not playing. Agreed, And I think we.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Should remember that here in Pittsburgh that injury certainly hit.
Something goes.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Jack Lambert saw his career end because of turf Toe.
The Bengals are the bigger threat right now, no doubt.
I mean, the math just dictates that they've for the
long term.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Who was when when the season ends, if the Steelers
don't win the AFC North, who is most likely to
win it?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I still don't know if I can say it's the
Bengals there. I think the Ravens still have a little
bit of life. I can't say that at one and
sick because they beat the Bears this week. If they
be hinges on that, I mean they go Dolphins via Kings, Browns, Jets,
couple Bengals, couple Steelers after that. It's so soft for
the Ravens. If they can get this.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Way, you think the Ravens are gonna kill the Bears, right.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
If Lamar plays, I don't know about kill them. I
meant that the floodgates would open, that they would just
kind of start rolling as after the Bears game. They
would just start winning a lot and go on a
big streak. If Lamar plays, they'll win the Bears game.
I think it really just hinges on that they're getting
a lot of their defensive players back.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
To struggles because he's been out.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
What if he plays and gets hurt again, What if
he plays in the hamstrings on all the way back.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What if he plays and gets hurt again, What if
the hamstrings on all the way back? I understand that
he was one of the best. He was the best
quarterback in football before he got hurt. I mean, they
weren't losing because of him. He was lighting it up.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, I feel Flacco's gonna keep winning ITAs Cincinnati. He's
good enough, and that team is so weaponized, and Cincinnati's
gonna beat the Jets sun they still gonna be.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Four and four.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I feel like if Baltimore losed it to Chicago, Tom,
let's look at it from that potential, and it's one
and six, it's done. Yeah, they're not gonna win ten
in a row or nine out of ten. They're just not.
Nobody reverses fields like that from one to six. I'm
not even should they do it?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
From what? Would they be? Two and five?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Two and five if they beat the Bears yet?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, mister math here, of course that's
what they'd beat. Uh yeah, I mean it's gonna be
tough either way.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No doubt it is. I agree with you. If the
Bears get the win in M and T Banks Stadium
in Baltimore this week and they're done the Bengals, they'll
be five hundred. They're gonna beat the Jets. The one
thing with the Bengals though, Mark Flacco's gonna have that
offense scoring. Those receivers are gonna get theirs well.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Like I said, they're just so weaponized no matter who
the quarterback is, as long as it's not Jake Brown.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But their defense still sucks. I mean you can't ignore that.
Like they still might lose a game to the Bears
thirty three, thirty one, they could lose to the Jets.
I don't know about that, Jester.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Do you think the Jets gonna go oh in seventeen?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a chance. I think, Well, they do play the
Dolphins one more time.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Okah, you don't agree.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
If you don't think they're gonna go oh in seventeen,
then this is one of the games they could win.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I thought last week was one of the games they
could win against the Panthers. They lost the thirteen to six.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
By the way, Tom, I have changed my mind. The
Steelers should keep Aaron Rodgers. They should be planning on
it as we speak, because Tom Win sucks with quarterbacks,
and Rogers is too old for tom Win to ruin.
Being decrepit might ruin him. Injuries might ruin him. You know,
him turning to dust might ruin him. Tom Win can't
ruin him.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's my big worry about this. You know, going back
to the draft and drafting the franchise quarterback, Like what
would tell you that this organization, that this coaching staff
has any acumen to develop a quarterback into being that guy.
They almost need like to fall into a Joe Burrow
where it's can't miss, Like he's just gonna be good
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
If the Steelers are drafted Joe Burrow, he would he
might miss.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh No, I'm telling.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You, he's one of a kind of player.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh whoever they get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
If they draft the guy in the first round next year,
Tom Win will absolutely ruin him. Tom He'll make him
a game manager. No good young quarterbacks should want to
come to Pittsburgh. Any good young quarterback that gets drafted
by the Steelers in the first round next year should
put an Eli manning and just refuse.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And I'm not kidding. I am not kidding.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It's a good point anyway, because you're only going to
ever get that guy a Burrow that's unruinable. Number one overall,
they'll never.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Be the name.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And that's why I think they might take a good
look at Will Howard, that they might consider him a
guy who can be their quarterback. You know why, because
he could be what they want him to be and
nobody would say that was poor development.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
He'll play the game manager role and maybe do it well,
but they're not even gonna be good enough to develop
him into being a good game manager. They have just
shown no track record at doing so. Look at what
happened to Pickets.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I don't think Mike Toma will ever win another playoff
game in Pittsburgh. If we can cut to the chase
by saying that, and look at all the things that
he screws up, including quarterbacks and cornerbacks and this year's defense,
Mike Toma will never win another playoff game in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Watt will never win a playoff game anywhere, so it
has been said, so it will come to pass.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
He's got a good shot with Aaron Rodgers. Not a
good shot. He's probably got his best shot remaining with
Rodgers this year if he gets that home playoff game
and he wins the division and just kind of riding
Rogers coattails and winning a playoff, then in.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
A playoff game this year, Tom look forward to me
excoriating everyone who deserves it. Tom Win will just get
just crushed by me every day for until I get
tired of doing it, and I won't ever get tired
of doing it. Same with Watton Hayward all this blah
blah blah blah blah, give me money. F you win
a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It would be all on the defense. It would be
all on the defense if he stays healthy Rodgers, which
is still a big if because he's old as dirt
and he could get hurt at any moment. But if
he stays healthy plays at this level, the defense will
be the reason that they were let down this year
and don't win that playoff game.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
The only man I won't blame will be my favorite Steeler, Yes,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Tom. Do you ever heard of a guy named Jocko Yet?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
In his final season of junior hockey, he had seventy
six goals and ninety four assists and sixty two games,
and he never played a game of professional hockey.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
We'll tell you why later in the show. One oh
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Speaker 3 (28:16):
Tom. What have we got for today's trifecta?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
For today's trifecta. Mark, I'm sure you've seen this gambling
thing that's happening with the NBA with Chauncey Billups, head
coach of the Blazers getting arrested Terry Rogi or a
player getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Like an FBI thing. And this is like what fixed
poker games. It's like a mobbed up situation.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, there's some illegal sports betting. They didn't get into
the details of that. That was more vague as far
as that is concerned. But it's a part of it too. Yeah,
like mafia run poker games. It's very weird stuff. But anyway,
that inspired today's trifecta of three gambling moments in movies.
Number one on this list.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I already got a number one.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We'll starting at number three. Do you like the James
Bond movies Casino?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I've never ever watched one of them?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Why why not? That surpressed me a little bit because
it's not like Super Side generally don't like franchises, Okay,
but it's like an action movie, and you like action movies.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
But yeah, but I don't like give you a case
in point.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I watched the First Batman with Nicholson and Michael Keaton,
but that when it became a franchise, I just wasn't interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, fair enough, But Casino Royal's on this list. The
poker match in that is just epic. Number two for
me is Alan's rain Man moment though in the Hangover
movie when they need to get the chips and they
come down the escalator.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's amazing seeing them coming on the elevator and Bradley
Cooper like flipping off the security game.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
When they start winning and they.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Start racking it out, I can't lose. But then it
just a lot of to write. Number one.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Number one is when Matt Damon picks up on Teddy
KGB's tell by the Oreos in Rounders.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
No, I would drop. That's a good moment. I would drop.
I would drop.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You drop Cassina Royale because you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I dropped Cassino Royal period. I've dropped Rounders to two.
I would drop the all. And there's no doubt the
cheating scene in Casino.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I should have known that you would have gone there,
not not least because when they find out the guy's cheating,
not LEAs just.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Because the background music is Jeff Beck with rodgstort On vocals.
Oh so a Deans superstitious black catches.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Crossed my path, So that's right up your alley.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, and plus the scene's great.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh, the whole movie is great.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They hit him with the cattle prod. They break his hand.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Now, the whole movie is great.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I love this made a bad mistake. That's right, you
made a bad mistake.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I love those shakedown kind of scenes. Have you ever
seen the movie twenty one, that gambling movie with Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
It takes the mit kids when Lawrence Fishburne is shaking
them down in the back room and beating them up.
That's a great shakedown scene too.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
The thing with that, the Nero scene where they break
the guy's hand with the hammer.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
That happened in Vegas back.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Then, I'm sure all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Oh yeah, Like, and.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
The casinos didn't cheat you, Like in the very early
days of Vegas when the well the very early days
of being mobbed up, they would have crooked dealers and
have like mechanics who could do from the bottom and
cheat customers. But then they realized that the way to
make money was the mass produce the gambling and just
let the odds, you know, favor the house and and
win for the house, which they always do. But but
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but God forbid you cheat them even even to well,
you know, the one thing where they're out of line.
Counting cards is not cheating. It's a skill, and they
treat it as cheating. They can ban you, they can
ban you.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know where they don't ban you is Atlantic City.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
If you count cards.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, they can't. It's illegal to do that. It's it's
illegal to do ban you for that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
As it should be. It's such a skill to do that,
and a hard skill. Even if you're good at it,
you could still screw it up sometimes. So plus you
got to know how many decks they're working with too,
right to truly be able to count the cards, like
how much.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You do know how many decks? But the more decks
there are, the more difficulty hard to do. The more
decks there are, the rare it is you get to
a good count. Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
It's almost no.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Single or double left in Vegas, and even most the
single deck games, well most of the script pay six
to five on blackjack, which just I mean, if you're
in the game to pay six.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
To five for blackjack.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
You should have like an apocust there or a slide
rule and count the cards right in front of him,
because it's still won't do you enough good.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So I failed you a little bit there with number one.
But you like rounders, so my number one wasn't bad.
When Matt Damon's face realizes it with the oreos when
he starts to lick the cream and he's just like,
oh my god, he's got nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
What what about? What about rounders though? Made you improperly
suspend disbelief?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
What? What plot holes did you see?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't know. Is there an obvious one that should
have been hitting me in the face?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know in Atlantic City where all the all the
New York pros are sitting at the same table, Okay,
they would not want to sit at the same table.
And you you don't pick a table in a poker
room in a casino, you get a sign.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
So that would not have happened, that that.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Would make sense. Why would a bunch of pros just
jump in with a bunch of pros like themselves?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Exactly right?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
What did you think of his accent? The Russian accent
from Malcovich in that movie.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I thought it was intentionally overly exaggerated and Gould because
of it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Malcovich is great.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, and I thought, I forget the guy's name.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He was the dad in Call Me by Your Name Too,
who played Grandma Michaels Pauli I thought, I thought he
was brilliant too.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
And Edward Norton, come on.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I had Norton John's in the movie too.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Edward Norton is just a worthless piece of crap.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's an all time movie. And that was like, that
was I mean, it wasn't a subplot. It was one
of the main focus of the movie. But it kind
of got Austin to shuffle because in a way, that's
an action movie, am I right?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Rounders?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, oh yeah, so it's an action movie.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But the subplot of the two best friends were the
one constantly betrays the other, yeah, and doesn't lose a
second sleep over it. And it takes Matt Damon forever
to figure that out. He had to get the crap
beat out of him by cops to figure.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It out, literally, get it beaten into him.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yes, right right.
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Speaker 3 (34:14):
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Just after the short break here, because that wasn't as
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Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean, yeah, pick Mario, who wouldn't do that? Well.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
EJ never wavered, but there were some people thought he
shouldn't do it. The Hockey News they said to them,
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Speaker 3 (34:36):
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Just entered this
This is the Mark Madden Show. Today's show is going
to be real provocative. At four o'clock, we've got Eddie
Johnston EJ who's going into the Penguins Hall of Fame
Saturday before the home game it's Columbus. And at five
o'clock a guy named Jimmy DeNardo who is a member
of the Akrosher Stadium grounds crew, and he's going to
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talk about how they prepped the field and what the
problems have been like when Killerbrew blew out his knee
and when Boswell slipped on that field goal attempt. So
that's an unusual but I believe a very provocative guest.
Today's a provocative show. I now bring on Tommy Radio.
Tom Do you hate the Steelers defense as much as
I do? Is hate the proper word.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I think hate is the proper word because it's sorely
letting this team down right now. I mean, this team
was supposed to be built on this defense. They said
it was historic. Several members of the defense, including the
head coach, said it was historic in this office. Some
would actually use that word, yeah, in the historic. On
the DV Morning Show, he said he thinks it could
be historic. What a friggin moron, So it was supposed
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to be. Rogers just comes in and does just enough
to ride a great defense and what should have been
a strong running game.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
No, no, he's carrying it.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
They're four and two because of Rogers, which actually is
to his credit, No, no doubt, I think Rogers.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But we should remember that that Justin Fields won four
of his first six starts and Russell Wilson won five
of his first six starts.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
But I do think Rogers is at a different.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Level, especially like we've been harping on thinking the game
and the pre snap stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And Rodgers has had to deal with a crap defense.
I mean it's a crap defense. Fields didn't have to
deal with this crappy of a defense last year.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
You think Rodgers has figured out it's a crap defense.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yes, Rogers is very familiar with crap defenses over his career,
letting him down. That happened a lot in Green Bay.
He knows it when he sees it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, but don't you think this is the most extreme failure,
maybe of any defense he's played on a team with.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Because it's the highest pace.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, a ton of big names runs it, Smuth and
it blows.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
You could absolutely say that. I mean they do two things. Well, Well,
they sacked the quarterback. They have five sacks, or their
fifth in sacks this year, although they didn't do it
that well against Flacco. And they have the fourth most takeaways.
But they've gone two straight games without forcing a turnover.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, how about that stat. They've only for seventeen punts
all year.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They can't get off the field unless it's by a takeaway.
They are not a defense that is built to force
a team into three and outs. For whatever reason, they
just can't do it.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Well, no, I know the reason.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They play really deep in the secondary trying to prevent
the big play, and because of that they died death
by a thousand cuts.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
The defense just can't get, like you said, a three
and out.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And how many times have you pointed this out? Mark
today's day in age third and twelve for these quarterbacks
is nothing they don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well that's why.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And again to reiterate, I'm surprised no one's picked up
on this, but then again, I am smarter than just
about everybody. The first and second on sack doesn't matter.
It's too easy to get the back. The only sack
that really matters is the third down or fourth on sack.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Perfect example of that against the Bengals. Benton gets a
sack on the first years I think it's on second down.
It looks like, oh, here was gonna sack Flacco. The
next play he hits Higgins for like a fifteen yard
pass for a first down on third down.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Dipstick Bent, who said one good game in his entire
NFL career, was on some podcast running his mouth about
how good the defense is.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
They can't stop. They literally cannot stop. They get run
all over by the worst rushing offense in football. And
he goes on a podcast and says, we still have
one of the best defensive lines in all of the league.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
What is it that the definition of gas lighting just
telling a lie into truth.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yes, you just speak it so many times that it
becomes it manifests into reality almost.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Now I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Do you feel like the Minka trade for Ramsey and
John who now looks like a bust? It seemed great
when they made it, but safety play is killing that defense.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
It's a bust because they're not getting enough out of
Ramsey and they're definitely not getting enough out of John who.
But I don't know if Mink is any good either,
you know what I mean. I just think it might
just be three players that aren't very good, two of
them that are kind of washed up, been making Ramsey
and John is just as.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think Ramsey's doing his best. I think he's been
asked to do too much and be too versatile. I
think I think he's become mediocre through versatility.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
They should just leave him in the slot. He cannot
play outside anymore. There's just no chance he can do that.
I bet you when Chase comes to town Tho in
a couple of weeks, they put him on the outside again.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
People talk about, you know, they need to get a
white out. What they really need to get is a safety.
They need to have Slay and Porter on the outside,
Ramsey and the slot, and go get a safety to
compliment Elliott.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
One thing I disagree with you there. I don't know
if Slave should be on the outside. They should just
probably put Echos down there now or outside now. At
this point. Slagh is awful too.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
But don't you agree that a safety to compliment Elliott
is a bigger need than a white out?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, Elliott's great as the strong safety, but they got.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Nothing in the great he's good enough.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I'll say this, I got over.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, Elliott's your best safety. You're in trouble. That doesn't
mean he ain't good, but he should be your second
best safety.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
And furthermore, the drop off between him and Thornhill or
Chuck Clark or Pepper's when they decide to play pas.
I mean those guys just.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Think, what would you bench Peyton Wilson to play Hulcom Moore?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yes, I would actually play Malik Harrison more. He started
practicing a full go this week. If he can get
back up to speed, wouldn't be this week. It'd be
more of a Hulcome week this week. But moving forward,
Malik Harrison's kind of like that at Landon Roberts type
of inside linebacker that you need against the run.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, and you got Karol lost today saying, well, we
don't play the dime as much because Peyton Wilson's good
in pass coverage.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
No he's not. He sucks so bad pass.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But again that's another he gaslighted. I'm the best pass
coverage linebacker in the world. He's not. He sucks, But
people repeat that quote. He got burned.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
In that preseason game against Jacksonville and oh, it's a
preseason game, we'll see, but that was an omen.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
And this is why I hate the defense. If they
sucked and shut up, they'd be easier to live with.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Like if Benton went on that podcast, in his SoundBite
was we're one of the worst defensive lines in football
right now until we prove otherwise. That's the SoundBite you
should have.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
No, the best sound from Keonu Benton should be silence.
He should shut the frig up. Peyton Wilson should shut
the frig up. But the thing is with benching Peyton
Wilson to playing holkome more. You don't only bench people
no more. You change the rotation in the snapcot Nobody
really gets bench, do.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
They, unless you're Nick Herbig apparently against the Bengals, who
only plays twenty nine percent of the snaps.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah. But as I've said, I buy into that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I think he's put in a position to succeed, although
I do think Highsmith sucks and I think two of
the worst mistakes.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
This team makes so many.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Mistakes that we don't call mistakes, but they're crippling mistakes,
and two of them are signing high Smith and Firemouth
to those deals.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Back to your original point of playing hulkom more than
Wilson and what I said about playing Echos more than
Sligh that really does nothing. You're just shifting chairs on
the Titanic. I mean, those guys aren't going to come
in and be great inside linebackers and outside corners. It's
just the guys that have been starting sucks. So you
got to try something else.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
You know, you know what's happened.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
The team sucks and we're no, seriously, We're We're like like,
it's like I've been reading a lot on Pearl Harbor lately,
which is very interesting, and this is like trying to
figure out why the us SS Arizona blew up. I'll
tell White blew up. They dropped the bomb into the
ammunition hole. That's what happened to Steelers defense. Like Joe
Flacco is the latest to drop a bomb into the
ammunition hold.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And then meanwhile, the offense isn't bad led by Aaron Rodgers.
It's not great, but it's good enough to probably get
him to nine and eight.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Anyway, nine and eight could win the division.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Lamar's gonna play this week. I know he's been limited
all the way. But he's gonna play.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They beat chicag you think so, I do. If they don't,
they're not gonna win the division.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
If they don't there because you don't go from one
to six to winning a division, you just don't.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It really hinges on what they do this week against
the Bears. If they beat them, though, I think they
start rolling downhill.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well we'll talk more about this later, but you know
who's gonna make a runners the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The you're gonna beat the Jets, be four and four.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I was just gonna ask you that, how can you
write off the Bengals though they're three and four. They're
in the position behind the Steelers to strike. They play
the Steelers again, they beat the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I'll be on bet Park seeing with the odds on
for them to win the division. I'm interested. What's going
wrong with Porter? I expected more, but like I said,
the Steelers do so bad with Corner.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You know, I was with Matt Williamson last night doing
the show we do out at Parks Social, and he
was saying they're stuck playing a lot of zone again
because Ramsey's cooked and can't play man Sleigh can't play
man and Porter Junior is a man de man type
of corner. But my point to him was why can't
he play zone?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Why is he so garbage at zone?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Then?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And also when he's in man to man he's also
not playing that graat he's grabbed me?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
But why can't he just play man?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I don't We can't do man on one side and
zone on the other. That's a rae can this defense
with their communication issues? You want him to do two
different kinds of defenses, one side versus the other.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, you got a point.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
By the way, in Baltimore that defense is collapsed just
like Pittsburgh's. They talk about communication issues too. Whenever you
hear in defense say we have communication issues, they are
saying we suck.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Who's the biggest disappointment on defense? One guy?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
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Speaker 3 (08:59):
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Speaker 1 (09:12):
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Speaker 3 (09:29):
It's gonna be a big one.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Tom is Florida crippled by the injuries to Kachuck and
bark Off and just exhausted too by by three straight
trips to the Stanley Cup Final. I've seen Florida play
a couple of times. It's October. They just look frazzled.
I bet they do not make the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Oh, I think it's a little bit more of the latter,
maybe because they were dealing with injuries last year.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Not to that's their two best players, bark up In, Kachuk.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
True, and they're out for Barkoff's done for the season,
right like there's.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Barkos up in there. Kachuk, Well, he's gonna come back
playing the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Get hurt in the Olympics, because they always get hurt
the Kuchuk's, there's just they can't avoid it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Well, the ka Chucks could smarten up a little bit.
They're they're incredibly effective at the way they play. And
you know, look at Kachuck in that Four Nations, but
he was crippled at the end. It couldn't help much.
And you know he's obviously won a couple cups with Florida,
but maybe both Ka Chuck because Brady's hurting out too.
For Ottawa, maybe to be better if they didn't approach
every shift like a three car pile up.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Like you're so good, we need single shit right like
we need you on the ice. It's okay to get
into a car pile up every game, but let's you know,
spread it out a little bit. It doesn't have to
be every shift. We need you out there.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Boys. Well, here's where Florida screwed.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Not only are you missing your your stars, your two
best players, but guys have to move up the lineup.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Then in your depth is compromise.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Case of point Sam Bennett, who had a billion goals
last year, he has one goal in eight games this year.
He's better when he's below Barkoff in the depth, you
know what I mean, Like you aren't on the other
team's radar as much, and now he is. And now
guys who you know where the minor leagues are their
fourth line this year. Marshaan's their leading score. Top if
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Brian Marshawan to date, thirty seven is leading score.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Good for him, but you're going, no.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You're not gonna go anywhere with that. They're four and
four out of the gates, so it's not like terrible.
They're kind of just you know, treading. They're three and
zero at home and one and four on the road though,
so I mean Penguin's trying to go in there and
give them their first.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Home Well that's their biggest, biggest hope is that they
can keep making good with home cooking and pray on
how bad the Eastern Conference is and maybe by the
time the playoffs start you get ka Chuck back.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You would have ever thought of Florida team would have
home cooking, Well.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I mean when they stink, they don't because nobody goes
when they're not any.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Good, right, But it's the only thing going right now
in Miami.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
It's funny Florida and Tampa have you know, been successful.
Florida with these last couple of Cups in Tampa Bay
has been has won championships. But still if they go
back to being I mean, nobody will go like you know,
what's funny they win, but there shouldn't be teams.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
There, you know, not to take it to a place
where they're not even playing them tonight. But you brought
up Tampa. What a bad start for them?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Only four points so far. We were both talking about
them as maybe a sneaky team in the East at
the beginning of the season.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I like when we said Jake went there to win.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
No, Jake went there because that's who made the biggest
Off eight money and there's no state tax.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Florida missing the playoffs, I don't know if I can
get on board with that. I think they still might
bleed themselves. Then I wouldn't be surprised, and I don't
think that they have enough in the tank. If they
do sneak in to get out of the first round,
they'll probably be a one and done it the best
this year again?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Then again, was it the year they made the final
and lost year? The first year they won the Cup?
In this run that they finished eighth, they barely made
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
The Penguin almost beat them out.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I think was that the first one they made that
they lost.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I think that might have been the first Cup.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I'm not sure and then they lost that one, and
then they ripped off the back to back wins. You
brought this point up yesterday, though, This might just be
in their best interest to organically kind of not make
the playoffs or be that one and done and then
next year you come back with Barkoff healthy, could Chuck healthy.
Like their windows not closed by any stretch. This just
might be a year where they have to hit pause
a little bit, like there's still a Cup contender in
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the future.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh No, I think this.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Is just a really unfortunate Yeah, because of the injuries,
and like you said, maybe it would be better for
them if they just missed the playoffs and catch up
on their rest.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
That sounds so so.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Losory, But when you've been in three straight finals, maybe
that that really is what's best. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, these guys have had what like two months
off for the past three offs, for the past three seasons.
It's just insane to sustain that kind of level of success. Plus,
don't you get kind of bored at this part of
the season when you've just come off of back to
back Cups, When you just come off of a Stanley
Cup like October hockey doesn't really do it for you,
does it like after you've been in those intense playoff
(13:51):
matchups so often, no.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Having seen you know, the five peg with teams you know,
play the year after they won cups. It's kind of
a victory tour. I mean, may not be mining your
p's and q's tactically, but you're ready to play. There's
there's no question about that. By the way, Tom, you
were right. They had the eighth seed the year they
made the final and lost. They won the division the
first year they won the cup. Then last year they
finished third the division because they knew they didn't need
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to win.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
The teams that have won figured that out. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Jarr's in goal tonight at Florida. Muse continues his straight
downe the middle goalie rotation and hey.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
It's working.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I can't blame them. Their fifth best in the league
goals against average. The Penguins is a team and they
have the eighth best safe percentage, so they're playing really well.
Both of them have the most shutouts. Sea LOFs has won,
Jari has won, So yeah, how could you knock it?
And really, Mark, who cares about you know, getting Jar
to be the goalie one or Sea loves to be
the goalie. Don't think neither of them are the future
of that.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Niche neither of them well. I think shil Loves might
wind up being more Schovs back up. Okay, but I
think that's the best either one of them can hope for,
is to be more Shofs backup. I don't know, maybe
next year, maybe even I don't know more self will
get a cup of coffee this year, but I think
next year the year after will be his breakthrough year.
The test with this goalie rotation, though, will be when
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one guy plays a really bad game and the other
guy follows up with a good game. Then do you
play the guy who with a good game a second
straight game when the other guy had played bad the
last time out?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
I bet you that mus will still stick with his rotation.
I feel like he's the type of coach that will
cast stick.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I think the first time that situation occurs.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yes, and then if it doesn't play out better the
next time you know that the goalie lays a stinker again,
he might question his decisions.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think it's more likely that they both play bad
games in a row. That'll that'll make it. I have
faith in neither one.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, shilloves more than Jari, though I think these umber
Schill loves is the devil.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I don't know as well.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
These numbers are a bit of a mirage I think
at the beginning of the season. And you brought up
a great point yesterday. There's just not a lot of
high danger that they're facing. Like a lot of this
stuff is easy saves for them to make. It's an
easy ninety two save percenters that they have.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, because they're playing good defense and good systems in
front of them. Now, our buddy from the Athletic, Jesse Marshall,
brought up a good point about me, suggesting that Kendall
should play on Sid's wing. Kindall might be a better
center because he's so creative and that gives him more
room to operate in a neutral zone. But isn't this
the time to check everything, to try stuff. I mean,
(16:15):
you can move Kendall to Sid's wing. If it doesn't work,
then you move him back to center. You're not married
to anything. I just want to find everything I can.
If indeed Kindall does get returned to junior after playing
what would it be three more games? Although I hear
more and more him and Brunicker staying.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Even if he does project to be a center in
the future, you want to be a top six center too, right,
You'd wanted to be centering one of the top two
lines and that's just not gonna happen here.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, and that's why you know it better next year
or the year after y. That's why you can't keep Geno.
You can't have Gino block Kindle.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
At nineteen right.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So like, if indeed Kindle is ready to be that
then which I mean he is only an eighteen year
old kid, we really don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I just don't think that put Kendall on Sidney Crosby's
wing for a spell would ruin him in any way.
It would make it impossible to get him back to
being a center or that be the long term goal
for him. Let him skate with one of the all
time great players for ten fifteen games. See how that works.
I bet you the Penguins says, you've noted would be
surprised that he has the IQ to keep up with.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Sid Who's the biggest surprise for the Penguins so far?
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Do you have to say, Brassars, Fine, I guess you
have to, But you're still waiting for him to just
go back to being a bomb and he can't stay
on the second line like when the MC when McGroarty
gets healthy and do the problem.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
With winning, and that's the problem with him producing. But yeah,
I agree like mcgroarty's the top six. The McGroarty should
be playing on Gino's wing. Brawsers Priory might wind up
being a real good third line guy.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
He's a middle six.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'd also say maybe Gino's hot second.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And I'm not gonna put McGroarty on the third line
to see if Brazo can keep being Eric Glyndross.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I'd also say Gino's hot start is pretty surprising, but
we saw this last year. In fact, he was even
hotter last year when he started season.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You know what I'd say, Uh, Shaye and Watherspoon because
they don't suck being good defenders.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, they're okay, they're playing all right.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, especially Shae like who really saw anything coming from
Ryan Shay at the beginning of the season. Brunnick and Kenna,
we talked about this yesterday. Bruneck and Kendall adapting and
seamlessly fitting into the NHL like they have is very
impressive too.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And then they have to partner up with Tanger and
Carlson and and that's you know, not necessarily easy though Tanger.
Tanger had a good game in the game against Vancouver
and Carlston except for I think the third game he
was really bad. But but he's he's you know, played
pretty buttoned up. And I hate him because I hate why.
Because he's doing it because he felt snubbed by Sweden
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not picking him among the first six for the Olympics,
and he wants to prove something. How about just justifying
your bloated contract and helping a team win that you've
been nothing but an albatross around their neck since the
day you got here.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
You're not under any illusion that it's you know, being
a good soldier for the new head coach too, setting
an example for the young guys.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think Eric.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Carl's thinks about nobody but himself, and he does it
in kind of a likable way.
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Speaker 1 (20:05):
We were talking earlier about the state of the AFC North.
Lamar Jackson is practicing for Baltimore. No word for sure
on whether he's gonna play when Chicago visits the Ravens
on Sunday, and you don't want to rush back Lamar
from his hammy butt.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Chicago don't stink this year.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They're four and two and Caleb Williams is better at quarterback,
and Baltimore's one and five, and if you lose to.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Chicago you're one and six.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
You'd probably have to win out to make the playoffs
or win nine out of ten, But you don't win
nine out of ten after starting one and six, and
Baltimore stinks beyond just not having Lamar. I feel like
Cincinnati is much more likely to rally from three to
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four behind Flacco than Baltimore is to rally from one
to five.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Even if Lamar does come back.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Baltimore's defense is collapsed, maybe worse than the Steelers.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Their safety suck.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
They got communication breakdowns into secondary That may sound vaguely familiar.
Baltimore's coach is a dope, just like the Steelers coach,
and I have zero faith in the Steelers, but they
are still so set up to win the division just
because of the way the division is crumbled to this point.
Although again, Cincinnati three and four just beat the Steelers
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plays host to the Jets this week, so Cincinnati will
be four and four. If the Steelers lose and Cincinnati wins,
Cincinnati is a half game behind. Yikes, I started to
like the Bengals. What if Flacco wins like four more
in a row. Do you take them out when Burrow
comes back? Of course you do, but that turf toast
(21:49):
tricky Tom. What if Flacco would win like the next
four and they're, you know, either in first or real
close to the Steelers, and Burrow comes back and then
plays bat Do you just let him keep playing bad
and lose the division because he's Joe Burrow? Or do
you ride the hot hand with Flacco. That sounds ridiculous
to say, but would be incredibly intriguing to watch play out.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I honestly wonder if they won't even have to make
that decision because of what you said about turf Toe
being a real mother.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Sometimes it would not shock Burrow didn't play the rest
of the year. I think if there's any DoPT they
should have him not playing. Agreed, And I think we.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Should remember that here in Pittsburgh that injury certainly hit.
Something goes.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Jack Lambert saw his career end because of turf Toe.
The Bengals are the bigger threat right now, no doubt.
I mean, the math just dictates that they've for the
long term.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Who was when when the season ends, if the Steelers
don't win the AFC North, who is most likely to
win it?
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I still don't know if I can say it's the
Bengals there. I think the Ravens still have a little
bit of life. I can't say that at one and
sick because they beat the Bears this week. If they
be hinges on that, I mean they go Dolphins via Kings, Browns, Jets,
couple Bengals, couple Steelers after that. It's so soft for
the Ravens. If they can get this.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Way, you think the Ravens are gonna kill the Bears, right.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
If Lamar plays, I don't know about kill them. I
meant that the floodgates would open, that they would just
kind of start rolling as after the Bears game. They
would just start winning a lot and go on a
big streak. If Lamar plays, they'll win the Bears game.
I think it really just hinges on that they're getting
a lot of their defensive players back.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
To struggles because he's been out.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
What if he plays and gets hurt again, What if
he plays in the hamstrings on all the way back.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What if he plays and gets hurt again, What if
the hamstrings on all the way back? I understand that
he was one of the best. He was the best
quarterback in football before he got hurt. I mean, they
weren't losing because of him. He was lighting it up.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Well, I feel Flacco's gonna keep winning ITAs Cincinnati. He's
good enough, and that team is so weaponized, and Cincinnati's
gonna beat the Jets sun they still gonna be.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Four and four.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I feel like if Baltimore losed it to Chicago, Tom,
let's look at it from that potential, and it's one
and six, it's done. Yeah, they're not gonna win ten
in a row or nine out of ten. They're just not.
Nobody reverses fields like that from one to six. I'm
not even should they do it?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
From what? Would they be? Two and five?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Two and five if they beat the Bears yet?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, mister math here, of course that's
what they'd beat. Uh yeah, I mean it's gonna be
tough either way.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
No doubt it is. I agree with you. If the
Bears get the win in M and T Banks Stadium
in Baltimore this week and they're done the Bengals, they'll
be five hundred. They're gonna beat the Jets. The one
thing with the Bengals though, Mark Flacco's gonna have that
offense scoring. Those receivers are gonna get theirs well.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Like I said, they're just so weaponized no matter who
the quarterback is, as long as it's not Jake Brown.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But their defense still sucks. I mean you can't ignore that.
Like they still might lose a game to the Bears
thirty three, thirty one, they could lose to the Jets.
I don't know about that, Jester.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Do you think the Jets gonna go oh in seventeen?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
It's a chance. I think, Well, they do play the
Dolphins one more time.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Okah, you don't agree.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
If you don't think they're gonna go oh in seventeen,
then this is one of the games they could win.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I thought last week was one of the games they
could win against the Panthers. They lost the thirteen to six.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
By the way, Tom, I have changed my mind. The
Steelers should keep Aaron Rodgers. They should be planning on
it as we speak, because Tom Win sucks with quarterbacks,
and Rogers is too old for tom Win to ruin.
Being decrepit might ruin him. Injuries might ruin him. You know,
him turning to dust might ruin him. Tom Win can't
ruin him.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's my big worry about this. You know, going back
to the draft and drafting the franchise quarterback, Like what
would tell you that this organization, that this coaching staff
has any acumen to develop a quarterback into being that guy.
They almost need like to fall into a Joe Burrow
where it's can't miss, Like he's just gonna be good
no matter what.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
If the Steelers are drafted Joe Burrow, he would he
might miss.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Oh No, I'm telling.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You, he's one of a kind of player.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh whoever they get a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
If they draft the guy in the first round next year,
Tom Win will absolutely ruin him. Tom He'll make him
a game manager. No good young quarterbacks should want to
come to Pittsburgh. Any good young quarterback that gets drafted
by the Steelers in the first round next year should
put an Eli manning and just refuse.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And I'm not kidding. I am not kidding.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
It's a good point anyway, because you're only going to
ever get that guy a Burrow that's unruinable. Number one overall,
they'll never.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Be the name.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And that's why I think they might take a good
look at Will Howard, that they might consider him a
guy who can be their quarterback. You know why, because
he could be what they want him to be and
nobody would say that was poor development.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
He'll play the game manager role and maybe do it well,
but they're not even gonna be good enough to develop
him into being a good game manager. They have just
shown no track record at doing so. Look at what
happened to Pickets.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I don't think Mike Toma will ever win another playoff
game in Pittsburgh. If we can cut to the chase
by saying that, and look at all the things that
he screws up, including quarterbacks and cornerbacks and this year's defense,
Mike Toma will never win another playoff game in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Watt will never win a playoff game anywhere, so it
has been said, so it will come to pass.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
He's got a good shot with Aaron Rodgers. Not a
good shot. He's probably got his best shot remaining with
Rodgers this year if he gets that home playoff game
and he wins the division and just kind of riding
Rogers coattails and winning a playoff, then in.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
A playoff game this year, Tom look forward to me
excoriating everyone who deserves it. Tom Win will just get
just crushed by me every day for until I get
tired of doing it, and I won't ever get tired
of doing it. Same with Watton Hayward all this blah
blah blah blah blah, give me money. F you win
a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
It would be all on the defense. It would be
all on the defense if he stays healthy Rodgers, which
is still a big if because he's old as dirt
and he could get hurt at any moment. But if
he stays healthy plays at this level, the defense will
be the reason that they were let down this year
and don't win that playoff game.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
The only man I won't blame will be my favorite Steeler, Yes,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Tom. Do you ever heard of a guy named Jocko Yet?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
In his final season of junior hockey, he had seventy
six goals and ninety four assists and sixty two games,
and he never played a game of professional hockey.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
We'll tell you why later in the show. One oh
five nine y X.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
It's The Woody Show, weekday mornings at six, Training news headlines,
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Speaker 3 (27:57):
And more on one five.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
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Speaker 3 (28:03):
This report is sponsored by All States. It's got to
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Speaker 4 (28:07):
It's the mark Man.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Tom. What have we got for today's trifecta?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
For today's trifecta. Mark, I'm sure you've seen this gambling
thing that's happening with the NBA with Chauncey Billups, head
coach of the Blazers getting arrested Terry Rogi or a
player getting arrested.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Like an FBI thing. And this is like what fixed
poker games. It's like a mobbed up situation.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, there's some illegal sports betting. They didn't get into
the details of that. That was more vague as far
as that is concerned. But it's a part of it too. Yeah,
like mafia run poker games. It's very weird stuff. But anyway,
that inspired today's trifecta of three gambling moments in movies.
Number one on this list.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I already got a number one.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
We'll starting at number three. Do you like the James
Bond movies Casino?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I've never ever watched one of them?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Why why not? That surpressed me a little bit because
it's not like Super Side generally don't like franchises, Okay,
but it's like an action movie, and you like action movies.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
But yeah, but I don't like give you a case
in point.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I watched the First Batman with Nicholson and Michael Keaton,
but that when it became a franchise, I just wasn't interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Okay, fair enough, But Casino Royal's on this list. The
poker match in that is just epic. Number two for
me is Alan's rain Man moment though in the Hangover
movie when they need to get the chips and they
come down the escalator.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's amazing seeing them coming on the elevator and Bradley
Cooper like flipping off the security game.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
When they start winning and they.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Start racking it out, I can't lose. But then it
just a lot of to write. Number one.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Number one is when Matt Damon picks up on Teddy
KGB's tell by the Oreos in Rounders.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
No, I would drop. That's a good moment. I would drop.
I would drop.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
You drop Cassina Royale because you don't like it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I dropped Cassino Royal period. I've dropped Rounders to two.
I would drop the all. And there's no doubt the
cheating scene in Casino.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I should have known that you would have gone there,
not not least because when they find out the guy's cheating,
not LEAs just.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Because the background music is Jeff Beck with rodgstort On vocals.
Oh so a Deans superstitious black catches.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Crossed my path, So that's right up your alley.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, and plus the scene's great.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Oh, the whole movie is great.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They hit him with the cattle prod. They break his hand.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Now, the whole movie is great.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I love this made a bad mistake. That's right, you
made a bad mistake.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I love those shakedown kind of scenes. Have you ever
seen the movie twenty one, that gambling movie with Kevin Spacey.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
It takes the mit kids when Lawrence Fishburne is shaking
them down in the back room and beating them up.
That's a great shakedown scene too.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
The thing with that, the Nero scene where they break
the guy's hand with the hammer.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
That happened in Vegas back.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Then, I'm sure all the time.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Oh yeah, Like, and.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
The casinos didn't cheat you, Like in the very early
days of Vegas when the well the very early days
of being mobbed up, they would have crooked dealers and
have like mechanics who could do from the bottom and
cheat customers. But then they realized that the way to
make money was the mass produce the gambling and just
let the odds, you know, favor the house and and
win for the house, which they always do. But but
(31:06):
but God forbid you cheat them even even to well,
you know, the one thing where they're out of line.
Counting cards is not cheating. It's a skill, and they
treat it as cheating. They can ban you, they can
ban you.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know where they don't ban you is Atlantic City.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
If you count cards.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah, they can't. It's illegal to do that. It's it's
illegal to do ban you for that.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
As it should be. It's such a skill to do that,
and a hard skill. Even if you're good at it,
you could still screw it up sometimes. So plus you
got to know how many decks they're working with too,
right to truly be able to count the cards, like
how much.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
You do know how many decks? But the more decks
there are, the more difficulty hard to do. The more
decks there are, the rare it is you get to
a good count. Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
It's almost no.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Single or double left in Vegas, and even most the
single deck games, well most of the script pay six
to five on blackjack, which just I mean, if you're
in the game to pay six.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
To five for blackjack.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
You should have like an apocust there or a slide
rule and count the cards right in front of him,
because it's still won't do you enough good.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
So I failed you a little bit there with number one.
But you like rounders, so my number one wasn't bad.
When Matt Damon's face realizes it with the oreos when
he starts to lick the cream and he's just like,
oh my god, he's got nothing.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
What what about? What about rounders though? Made you improperly
suspend disbelief?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
What? What plot holes did you see?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I don't know. Is there an obvious one that should
have been hitting me in the face?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know in Atlantic City where all the all the
New York pros are sitting at the same table, Okay,
they would not want to sit at the same table.
And you you don't pick a table in a poker
room in a casino, you get a sign.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
So that would not have happened, that that.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Would make sense. Why would a bunch of pros just
jump in with a bunch of pros like themselves?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Exactly right?
Speaker 2 (32:49):
What did you think of his accent? The Russian accent
from Malcovich in that movie.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I thought it was intentionally overly exaggerated and Gould because
of it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Malcovich is great.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Yeah, and I thought, I forget the guy's name.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
He was the dad in Call Me by Your Name Too,
who played Grandma Michaels Pauli I thought, I thought he
was brilliant too.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
And Edward Norton, come on.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I had Norton John's in the movie too.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Edward Norton is just a worthless piece of crap.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
It's an all time movie. And that was like, that
was I mean, it wasn't a subplot. It was one
of the main focus of the movie. But it kind
of got Austin to shuffle because in a way, that's
an action movie, am I right?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Rounders?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, oh yeah, so it's an action movie.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
But the subplot of the two best friends were the
one constantly betrays the other, yeah, and doesn't lose a
second sleep over it. And it takes Matt Damon forever
to figure that out. He had to get the crap
beat out of him by cops to figure.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
It out, literally, get it beaten into him.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yes, right right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
The trifecta Breathless by Danny's patron Hogies Pittsburgh George oven
bake Togy since nineteen sixty that's.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Our dadiena Bethel Park.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And of course the pregame show was brought to us
by good friends that Shandorovin, Shendrovins and Fishmen. They got
your back and not your wallet. We got Eddie Johnston
who's going to Pengwins Hall of Fame. He joins me
at four o'clock and we're gonna talk mostly about when
he drafted Maryolemu in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
And I'm gonna give you the background on that h.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Just after the short break here, because that wasn't as
simple as it sounded.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean, yeah, pick Mario, who wouldn't do that? Well.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
EJ never wavered, but there were some people thought he
shouldn't do it. The Hockey News they said to them,
you might be a bust. The Penguins chief scout won
the draft, Kirk Muller.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Instead.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
We'll get to all that just around the corner and
then EJ at four o'clock, one oh five to nine.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Now it's your chance to win. One thousand dollars
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