Pregame Show - Steelers Talk, Bucco Banter

Mark and Tommy Radio talk some Steelers some Buccos some this and some that during the pregame show.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Madden Show, Rocking the House down,
Taking the Day, or follow me on Twitter at Mark
Madden X. Let's talk to Tommy Radio. Tom how would
you fix the Steelers and can you do it?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
By Sunday at one pm.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
No, I don't think I have the answer for you, Mark.
I don't know if you can fix the team that
is one of the oldest rosters, I mean the oldest
roster I think in the NFL, and a defense that
has just underperformed all year long. And the big problem
that people are really starting to catch on with too,
is they don't have complimentary football. The offense never complements
the defense defense vice fraas. They don't show up at
the same time. That's what bad teams do. That's why

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bad teams lose. They can't put together sixty minutes on
both sides of the ball.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
If they could, they wouldn't be bad teams.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
No, absolutely, So I don't have an answer for you.
I don't know how the Steelers fix it. I don't
think they'll beat the Bills this Sunday, although I don't
think that that's, you know, that big of a game
as far as like you can't win it you have
no chance, you know what I mean. I think they're
a beatable opponent the Bills.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
No, I do too.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
But even if they beat Buffalo and it'd be just another
random result. It feels like they're zero bill to this season,
no connection between games, and thus no legitimate improvement, not
all year, not after eleven games.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
No, they've been just kind of yoyoing lately. Win one,
lose one, win one, lose one. In fact, the consistency
that they've built on is they've lost a couple of
games in a row, done it in the wrong direction.
And that's what you're staring in the face right now.
I mean, it is very likely that they could get
another three game losing streak here like they have for
I think it's what six out of the past eight years.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know, it gets overlooked with the roster assembly, and
it's the most obvious thing. Never mind analyzing Rogers and
Rudolph and even the quote unquote potential of Will Howard
Ben popped his elbow in twenty nineteen, retired in twenty
twenty one, and they still don't have a proper quarterback.

(01:52):
You've got the failure of drafting Picket and a bunch
of stopcaps. It ties back to what I've said many times.
Tom Whin inherited roffels Burger and otherwise has mangled the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Position, no question. That's why I think it's foolish to
just think that, you know, they'll draft a quarterback next year,
and then there it is. You've got your franchise guy
for the next fifteen years. Like, what faith do you
have in this current staff, this current front office to
be able to identify that game that guy because it's
such a crapshoot, and.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Even if they take the right guy to develop.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
It to get the most out of him, right, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Like the George pickinstick because everybody's ranting and raving about
how great Pickens is in Dallas, and he is tough,
But if he were here, he wouldn't be getting those stats,
he wouldn't be getting those targets, he wouldn't be as
ingrained into the game plan.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
They wouldn't make him the number one.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Receiver above Metcalf, even if he earned it, like he's
become the number one receiver in Dallas, even oversea, Dee Lamb,
there was nothing here for George Pickens. And I used
to get pissed when you know he would act as
immature as he did and will again no doubt, sooner
or later in Dallas. But now I can't blame him
now I see his point.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean I do still blame him for things
like showing up to games like what thirty minutes before kickoff?
Be a professional there, don't do that. But as we talked.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
About that yesterday, popping off, though, I feel him.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I mean, you're not getting what you deserve to get,
and you're showing the world right now you deserve to
get it.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Never mind what he deserves. You're not getting what benefits
the team at a great point by you getting uh
And like I said, to open, what would a number two?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Why not changed Tom? Even a legit one?

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Not much, because I just don't know if they'd be
able to get the ball to them. I saw Trey
Essex on Twitter say that he believes that there is
a number two wide receiver on the roster and it's
Roman Wilson. Because he's winning his routes and he's getting open.
They just aren't getting him the football. They just are
ignoring him for whatever reason. And I don't know if
I agree with Trey that he is for sure a
number two wide receiver, nailed on, but they just don't

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utilize it. To your point, they don't utilize the number
one weapons that they have their primary weapons in the
offense correctly. So to think that they would just bring
in a Jacoby Meyer and all of a sudden he'd
be great, he'd fit right in, it's foolish.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, no, no question about that.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
He got a touchdown pass the other day, and yeah
I heard the beat team saying, well, that could have
been a steel No, no, it couldn't have been a
touchdown pass to Myers for the Steelers because they can't
get touchdown passes the DK metcalf.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
And Trevor Lawrence. You know, he's so up and down,
but he can get the ball to receivers and that's
an offense that has an offensive mind to coach behind it.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Right now, he's way better than Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
I would take him. I would take him over, and
better than Rudolph certainly. Oh oh, Tom, you act like
there's a choice there. I mean, I mean, Trevor Lawrence
is way better right now than Aaron Rodgers right now,
I mean twice as good.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
He's in a playoff spot right now, I know that much.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
What's the worst personnel move the Steelers have made since
they stop winning playoff games. I'd say drafting pick it
and close behind training that number, that first round pick
for Minka when Ben popped his elbow, because it precluded
their chances to get a four and twelve season and
maybe draft Justin Herbert or at least get that kind
of player at some position.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, I'm racking my brain right now trying to come
up with another one. It's hard to because when you
miss on a quarterback in the first round, I mean
that is a I think.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
People still don't understand what a disaster that is.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Rafting Picket was that it set the team back at
least five years, and no other team in the NFL
would have taken Picket in the first round.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Maybe not even in the second or the third round,
to be honest with you, I mean he probably would
have fallen into the third round and gotten snatched up.
But like it wasn't going to be like, oh, pick
thirty three, run to the podium and get Kenny Pickett
now that he.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Fell wait second round or in the third round, or I.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Think it's got to be that one. I mean, and
that's any franchise, right, Like, you miss on a first
round quarterback, that's gonna set you back.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
But to miss to that degree so bad and have
him proven as a journeyman bouncing from team to team
before his Workie contract was even up, and he'll probably
be in the UFL before we know it. I mean,
to be proven that decisively stupid. I mean, like you
look at some picks. Okay, you have fift on the pick, right,
everybody whifts on picks. You look at Kenny Pickett in

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the first round, and what's happened since? You look at
Tomlin and Steelers personnel and say, oh, you stupid mf ers.
It's not just a blown pick. It's a pick stupid
beyond excuse.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Oh, it's a massive bust. I mean, right now, mark
this year. You could conceivably think this is a year
where we'd be like making our final decision on Kenny Pickett.
You know what I mean? If he was just okay,
a fine quarterback, can you go forward with him or
not offer him an extension?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
He's been gone for how long? I know, So a
huge wing was bad.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
It proved to be a dink besides, and like they
got a bad quarterback with crappy character at least.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Here, And how many or how much benefit of the
doubt our first round picks given, especially at quarterback, Like
teams want that to succeed. They'll keep throwing you out there,
even if it's foolish. They'll give you another year, a
fourth year. Hey, come on, see if you can prove
us wrong. We want to hit you because it is
so catastrophic when you missing a quarterback in the first round.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
H Will Miles Garrett break watch single season sack record.
Garrett's at eighteen sacks with six games left. He needs
five sacks.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I don't know if you could bet on this, like
if there's odds, but he's got to be like an
overwhelming favorite now right like minus two hundred to break it, especially.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Because he so often gets multiple sack games, like he
had three just this past Sunday and he's got eighteen
right now.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Though he doesn't even need a multisac game. He just
needs to keep getting asak a game from now on
and he'll break it.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
You can wind up with twenty five sacks. I think he's.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Gonna streak past it and he'll get the defensive player
of the year and deservedly so, even to the Browns sting.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Watt should be absolutely ashamed, and all you Mark's out
there should really be ripping into him, like guy do,
because here's TJ.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Watt.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
He wanted more money than Miles Garrett, he got it,
and now he's one third the player that Miles Garrett
is not even close. Miles Garrett will be remembered, is
one of the best defensive players of all time.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Watt will be remembered as a guy who never won
a playoff game. And that's the make sure that's the
case in Pittsburgh anyway.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
And that's the thing, Like he doesn't have the you know,
typical cliche Steelers team success that for years and years
players would be able to fall back on to being like, yeah,
Miles Garrett's great, but he plays for the Browns. That's stupid.
Miles Garrett beat TJ. Watt in a playoff game. They
don't play head to head, obviously, but he won the
game against the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
They would have been out there at the same time.
Garrett would have kicked his ass, no doubt on DAP.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
But like, there's nothing to look at when it comes
to Watt and say, well, at least he's got that,
at least he's got playoff success, at least he's played
in massive games. And Garrett hasn't. No, what has not?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Jamar Chase, the Bengals receiver, he apologized after serving as
one game suspension for spinning on Jamar Chase, excuse me
spinning on Jalen Ramsey, but pointedly did not apologize to
Jalen Ramsey. And I'm like, Okay, who the freak did
you spit on? What a five niney X? As I

(08:30):
said to open the program. Lot of shisbeing said about
where the Steelers are at, trey Es sick, falals the
scheme and the coaches. James Harrison called Arthur Smith, the
OC called him trash. Patrick Queen criticized schematics after the
game on Sunday and said they could have made in

(08:51):
game adjustments but didn't, which is quite an indictment of
the coaching get up. On ESPN, the panel there called
the Steelers off limited. Uh, the Steelers here, here's some
horrible stats. The Steelers defense is giving up two hundred
and seventy seven point six passing yards per game. Dead

(09:13):
last in the league. And don't for against that's the
highest paid.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Defense in history. That that defense is broken.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And here's a horrible stat for the offense as well,
which which is broken. Two, to my mind, the Steelers
did not complete a pass over twenty air yards in
the month of November four games, zero for eleven two picks. Now,
by contrast, Jamis Winston for the New York Football Giants,

(09:41):
who's a hammenager backup at this point, pressed into service
because Jackson.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Dark got hurt.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
And by the way, Russell Wilson, the Steelers started last year,
is now the third stringer for the New York Football Giants.
But Jamis Winson completed five of those passes over twenty
air yards on Sunday against Detroit one game, and yeah,
the Giants lost, so did the Steelers. The Steelers won't
throw down field, won't use the middle the offense, like

(10:09):
the defense is broken.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
The Steelers live in their fears.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
We didn't talk about the Pirates thing enough yesterday, how
they never even made a bid, let alone a club
record bid for the free agent who we up with
Seattle Josh Naylor. Jeff Passon of ESPN said the Pirates
bid seventy eight million on a long term deal. But
Passing is a stooge and lazy to boot didn't check
it out. Obviously, Seattle got the deal done with Naylor

(10:37):
so fast the Pirates never had a chance.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
So the whole thing was hype.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It was just a lie and a reminder of why
we shouldn't trust anything said about the pirates. The pirates again,
they should be reported on like a crime syndicate.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Nothing they do benefits you.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Tom, I told everybody that Passing is a stooge, and
like I just added lazy. He took to pipe what
a pirate source told him at face value.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I like Passing too, So it's kind of disappointed
to see him do this because like, be better at
your job, man, like and get with him. I agree
with you now because like kind of read the room, buddy, Like, sure,
a pirate source is telling you something, but when you
go to report it, don't report it as if it's
fact and like this is actually happening. You have to
present it like this is a team that constantly just
talks and doesn't follow through with actions, and I don't

(11:28):
expect them to follow through with actions now. But he's
out there acting like Schwarber is almost a done deal,
you know what I mean, Like he's acting like, ah,
they were so close to the know, this team is
gonna be great next year, they're definitely gonna improve. Now
they're not.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I don't know that he was acting like Schwarber's had
done deal.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
But even throw out the possibility, it's absurd when it
doesn't exist. You're right, it is absurd. What will the
Pirates big offseason move be.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Give us a prediction, boy, I mean, it'll probably be
trading a player from their roster to another team. Mitch
Keller's the obvious one.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Right, Yeah, I figures like trade Mitch Keller for the
hitting a equivalent of mitche Keller.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, it's not going to be a big free agent
whale landed. Their free agent signings will be one year
deals to Tommy fam type players. That's how they go
bring us back. That's yeah, that'll be one of them.
That's how they operated since that run where they made
the playoffs but didn't win a playoff series and Nutting
figured out, oh I lose money. Actually if I spend

(12:22):
money and they don't.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well make less money. True.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, like when they brought in guys during the thirteen
fourteen to fifteen seasons and didn't even win a playoff series,
got no no, but very little extra revenue for making
the playoffs and spending more. Their profit margin went down.
Was still very profitable to but went down. And Nutting
just doesn't want to take that risk when there's no
guaranteed reward. And when I say trade Keller for the

(12:48):
hitting equivalent of Keller, that's probably wishful thinking. I think
you probably don't even get that, certainly not payroll wise.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Keller is their highest paid player.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Maybe you get the equivalent of another Spence or Horri
with somebody lower budgets.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
And based on Ben Sherrington's track record and trades, I
mean he seems to be on the wrong end of
them a lot.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So yeah, but you know what, I cut him more
slack than most two because I think he is so
hamstrung by what Nutting wants.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
You can buy what Nutting won't span.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
You can still get better prospect packages though back I
mean that's not going to hinder Nutting's pocket at all.
And I feel like object.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Is just to keep payroll down. You take what you can.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Get, and you're not gonna try extra hard. I guess
when it's that is your primary object, But I would
be worried that you're not going to get the equivalent
just because he's going to get a lesser value for
the trade, like the other team getting Mitch Keller is
gonna walk away from that deal being like, this isn't great.
We just traded like our seventh guy in our lineup
for a guy who's gonna be our third man in our rotation.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
You gotta like reapping Sewinsky. All the big talk about
a record bid for Naylor. It turns out that didn't exist.
It was a lie, and you re signed the guy
who hit one forty seven.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I don't know what it would take for them to
pull the plug on him, because he's never shown you
anything aside from that first year he got here where
he hit like what twenty home runs airted with that, It.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Wouldn't shock me if you once somewhere else and did okay,
not great, but okay. Because this is just like people
know that the development is bad. I don't think people
understand how bad it's gonna be to be in that
clubhouse with no hope. Then again, for some winskey, it's
better to be in that clubhouse with no hope than
to be a trip away.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, like, I don't know where else he would go,
to be honest with you, because you know he wouldn't exactly,
he's that bad.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
But that doesn't mean it's not depressing when you never
when you know, when you know you're not gonna win,
and more importantly tom, when you know ownership doesn't care
if you win, when you know you're not being administered
to win, that that's not even a goal beyond coincidence.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, absolutely, it's got to be deflating. And then when
you just you know, start sucking individually, it's just like
pressure just pushing down on you that you're not gonna
be able to dig yourself out of. He's such a
bum player. I don't understand why you would give him
anything at all. Are you gonna try him? Is he
your outfielder? Everybody's talking about how they need to go
out and get a corner outfielder. Is that gonna end
up being it? We're gonna go into spring training and
it's gonna be like, well, we're gonna try Jackson Winsky

(14:59):
it right field again?

Speaker 2 (15:00):
If Fami will go someplace else, don't you think I was.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Surprised he didn't get traded for in the season last year.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Maybe that indicates that, like, here is last chance to permently,
and he'd come back here rather than just not play.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I would think with the goal to.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Get traded at this coming deadline, if he plays well,
because he's good defensively and he hit well in the
second half, I think all.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Of baseball has just decided he's a dick.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Get out of here. We're done with you.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
He he like, who did you get in the fantasy
football fight with?

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Oh, I can't remember the name?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Was it Jock Peterson?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I don't think it was Jock Peterson. It might have been.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
It might have been.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Actually that triggers like touched the.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Guy over over a big money.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, I do know that. And he was chirping with
fans during pregame. He's been chirping with fans as a
pirate too, like giving it to people in the bleachers.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Now, well they bring back Cutch, Like I said, the
pirates would seem more value at Cutch at five mil
than Schwarber at thirty mil. Because of nostalgia merchandising obviously cheap.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Run the payroll.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You're right, he did slap Jock Peterson, but no question
that that's what they're going to do. Five million seems
like the perfect deal to them. One year, we'll get
a ton of value out of that. Trot him out
there as the d H plays what like probably half
the home games, maybe a little bit more than that, maybe.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Determans his last season.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You retire the number, you put up, the status, you
do whatever. Yeah, yeah, you could probably get four separate
promotional days out of McCutcheon's last season. Bibblehead Night retired
the number, night statue, KNIGHTE and just general generic and night.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Now you know what I.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Would want if I'm nutting to bring cuts back, I
would want him once in a while, maybe on days
he's rested, to literally put on the Parogi suit.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Get in the race. Do you want him to wear
the mascot costume or just him out there.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Here's what you do. This is my background in wrestling.
I could I can book this Tom okay, you have
you give him another You give him a perogy identity
like whatever you know, sour cross right, halipen your hand,
a different kind of progy, different flavor, good good, good
terminology and then you have this mystery parogy with Cutch
in it, who participations in X amount of races and

(17:03):
wins almost all of them, but at the end in
the last race. Uh, his parogy last day of the
season is like tied with the like you can designated
evil parogy one who cheats to win? Right, And then
Cutch wins the last race even though the guy tries
to cheat him, trip him, push him, whatever, and then
he unmasked his couch after he crosses the line.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
No, no, brilliant. That's brilliant, because I was thinking, do
we put like dreads on the parogi that's McCutchen, But no,
we want it to be a mystery mystery question mark
on his chest.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, and now you got to call him something you
gotta blend. Okay, No, the question mark is actually not
bad because.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
We're booking on the fly here.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
But yeah, I mean, uh, I could I could consult
with like Vince Russo or Eric Bischoff.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Guys I worked with Russo would.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Love this, by the way, And uh, and then uh,
you know what it reminds me of. You know where
I got the idea. Will Ferrell is the evil wizard in.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Grow Blades of Glory.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Oh no, it's the evil Wizard. That was just that.
I love Blades of Glory so underrated I get.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
I think Blades of Glory and Semi Pro both better
than talladigad Ice.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I laughed so hard every time when they're going to
do the iron Lotus at the end and coach Craikie
Nelson is like.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I was wrong, I was wrong, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Tremendous and just the idea of the iron Loadus, yes,
is tremendous too. Now, now we talked about that they're
not going to get Swarber, but they got the citizens
talking what will the lie be with Schwarber? How much
will they lie about offering? And will pass and bite again?
Will he get full twice? Shame on him.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
That's a good question, since Rosenthal did come out on
the heels of the Passer report and say, now that
was beat bull crap. He didn't do your homework on that.
So he's been embarrassed by a competitor like that's Fox
now coming in and saying, now the ESPN guy was wrong,
So I bet you he has a little bit of
cold feeds.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, you know, you know what, I go and redd
it sometimes because they tom you think Twitter's tough me.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
They in fiscerate me, unreadit.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
It's like, you know, let's kill his cat, let's rob
his house, and uh and uh like it as a
group too.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Like let's just getting a possible together.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Like I think I'm gonna it's like, hey, let's but
but here, here's what their their their opinion is about this.
Now Passing was right and Rosenthal's incorrect. Oh, that the
pirates did make this offense.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
They're gonna believe the lie because it's it's fun to
believe the lie, right, It's nice to think that the
pirates are actually trying.

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Speaker 1 (21:03):
Okay, So it was drizzling today when I drove to work,
like just a little drizzle, the slightest hit of rain,
and so everyone on the Parkway West coming out toward
Bridgeville drove it five miles per hour. Traffic backed way up,
and that in a nutshellous Pittsburgh traffic backed up when
it drizzles, Tom, Are you a good driver?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
And how do you drive in bad weather?

Speaker 3 (21:27):
I mean, I've never really been in an accident, so
I guess I would characterize myself as a good driver.
I drive pretty well in bad weather. I don't like
driving in the snow too much, But it's really just
a ghost slow game when it comes to that. People
that go super slow in the rain are the worst.
I'm with you on that, especially rain.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Like I can see if the rain is like so
intense that it blinds you a little.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Bit, then you gotta pause a little bit. Yeah, snow,
you gotta take your time. But like, and I guess
when it just starts to rain, you know that hydroplane
thing you learn about when you're getting your driver's license,
that could be a factor too. But when it's been
raining all day long and that road's nice and wet,
just go fifty sixty miles per hour. You're fine.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Tom.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I'm taking a day off of Awaken one to eighty,
as my coach knows, she's not happy, But I'm doing
it on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
You have to.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
And I like, have you seen those like chocolate cakey
almost like giant ho ho things in the.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Refrigerator here at work.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Boy, have I seen them? Mark?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Are they to take home? There's a bunch of them.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
I wonder, because they've been there for a few days now.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I'm just taking one after at the end of today's work.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Looks like there's a pumpkin one in there too, like
a nice pumpkin roll.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I want to go.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
It looks like a giant ho ho ho one looks really.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, that looks pretty good. We'll do all the Thanksgiving
talk tomorrow. Are you ready for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Oh? Yeah, I can't wait. It's the best. It's probably
my favorite holiday as an adult. That probably just shifts
into your favorite holiday kid, it's probably Christmas, then you
shift over to Thanksgiving. It's more of the adult kind
of holiday. The food's the best, stuffing's the We're gonna
talk about it all tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I don't want to run well. My two breaks coming
up from the diet are Thanksgiving. I'm gonna go to
my friend Richard Kelly Begnado. They own sever In, a
restaurant in Westview, and then Christmas Eve I go to
Jen Blono Penguins pr Lady. Because our family has the
seven fishes thing. You got to break it for that
and those are my only, uh only breaks from Awaken
one eighty and I get crab cakes and in for

(23:09):
the Seven Fishes thing from Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
That's best, tremendous, best crab cakes ever, no question. But
on the menu is no good with the Waken one
eighty for Thanksgiving? Could you eat the turkey?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
The Turkey's fine, I mean, not much of it, right,
but but stuffing is my favorite thing, and it's it's potato.
You know, I don't if I I'm going to try
to just go with turkey and stuffing and cranberry says.
I'm not necessarily the biggest potatoes fan anyway, that should
be fine. You're not really breaking it that much.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
But the.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Pumpkin pie stuff like that, I'll overload the stuffing and gravy.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
But it's one day.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Like if you if your diet can't tolerate one day,
then it's not worth doing.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
And I mean what diet is worth not participating in
one of the greatest holidays there is.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
I'm going to go to Grant Bar tonight to get
because it's closing in Millville, where I love to go.
Last day Saturday'm debating where to go tonight and just
get like a chicken salad or go Saturday for the
last prime rib day because prime ribs.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Okay, if it's just prime.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Reb yeah, I used should go for the prime rib right,
although you just had the Thanksgiving dinner on Thursday. That's
kind of like a little cheat prime ribs. Like your cheat,
isn't it? With this awake in one eighty No primes? Okay? No,
but I'm saying like that's like the one thing that
you can still hold on to is like the old days, right,
like I love onless Today.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Eggs are rustin green trees site near Dve and well
near the X building.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Can you load it up?

Speaker 1 (24:27):
No? I never worked even though I work for the X,
I still call that the DV building in Greensburg.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Can you load up omelets like you used vegetables? Okay?

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Said no, cheese, It's okay, but uh yeah, looking looking
forward to all that. Tomorrow we'll talk about best Thanksgiving foods,
about Turkey Bowl football, about the best Thanksgiving type gimmick
foods like in local restaurants. We know what the winner
is there, but we'll ok fabe that until tomorrow. Tom

(24:53):
we're gonna have to fable on later. And here's a question.
I'm gonna run past him about the Steelers. I'm gonna
run past you now this Buffalo game. They're not gonna
shut down Josh Allen or Cook? I mean, are they?

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I think they could maybe shut down Cook. Josh Allen
scares that Josh Allen's gonna get his probably, Okay, he
turns the ball over a lot, though, shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
The Steelers Okay, in that vein, shouldn't the Steelers then
try to initiate a high scoring game of shootout, try
to trade possession for possession and see if they can
beat Allen that way, because you can't shut down Allen,
but maybe you cannot score him. That Buffalo defense is
no great shakes. I think the Steelers have the worst
pass defense in the league. The Steelers can't stop anybody

(25:33):
throwing the ball, let alone Josh effing Allen.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
And the Bills receivers are so bad they need someone
to get going. This is a good medicine for them
to go up against these Steelers corners, because receivers just
don't have much trouble getting open against the second aarreage.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Okay, last year when remember they beat Joe Burrow in.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
The shootouts years.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
But I don't I felt like that happened organically, that
the Steelers didn't force that.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I don't think Tom Win knows how to force that.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
I don't think he would ever come out in a
game throwing, trying to have quick strike, trying to have
short drives. I just don't think he knows how to
do that, doesn't trust it, doesn't want to.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
It was kind of forced upon them in Cincinnati. If
you remember, Russ Wilson through the pick six and they
were down in that seven to nothing hole right away,
so then they had to start to air it out
and play catch up immediately. I'd love for them to
do that against the Bills. I have no faith that
this offense can execute that. And Rogers is gonna play,
but he's not gonna be one hundred percent. You don't
think he'll be a hundred percent. Do you like that
wrist will still be a hindrance.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm still not sure he's gonna play.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Maybe another Rudolph game.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
And I think Rogers made the call. The more I
hear the verbiage surroundings, I think Rogers made the call
to not play this past Sunday that he and I'm
not criticizing him one bit.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I think it was the right move.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
He just definitely couldn't do it. Woke up on Saturday,
it was like, there's no way I could take snaps
under center. The shotgun snaps my center kind of stinks.
He always has low snaps. I'm not gonna be able
to catch them.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Stinks on the snaps.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
On the snaps, he staks. He's good at run blocking.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
He's overrated, but you know he's a hillbilly. What are
you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (26:54):
But yeah, you heard the Tom With press conference. He
talked about kickoffs and puns right away. I mean, what
what the freg? I mean, how much does that have
to do with anything?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Well, I mean those press conferences, you know, they just
seem to be getting more and more of a waste
of time because he says stuff like that, and then
Mark he just outright lies to us like aer dramatic endeavors.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Remember last week.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Synergy when he said that Darius Slay was going right
back in like he's the starter, don't Yeah, he's gonna play.
James Pierre played every snap but one on the defense,
Like this is a bold face light of us. At
least that's the right movie, I guess, But like still, it's.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Not a lie to us, it's a lie to the
other team because he's Okay, no, but no, those coaches,
every one of them, I hate it.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Don't believe they can confuse the other team.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Don't you hate that about coaching?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Put it this way.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
If I'm Ben john Snoopy said, I don't give a
frek who's their quarterback?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
None of them that good.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Pierre Slay, I'm gonna just out Ben Johnson. We didn't
talk about this enough yesterday. He ran circles around that Steelers.
You want to talk about somebody scheming guys open and
taking advantages of weaknesses. Ben Johnson was elite compared to
the coach.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Because I bet you have the same answer I do.
What was the weirdest thing that was evident on TV
the network feed? I always say, if something is really
obvious so that you can see it on a network feed,
it's like beyond obvious. What was the most obvious flaw
in that Steelers defense you saw at Chicago?

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Well, I did notice that they were getting pushed off
the line of scrimmage like two yards back like every
single time, Like that's true, that's not my number one,
And a new line of scrimmage was established all the time.
I don't know. That's the first thing on the top
of my mind.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
The cushion they gave the Bears receivers, especially in the middle,
was of astounding volume. Especially it was like it was
like a nine or ten yard cushion, especially on like
third and fives.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, like they would still be off like nine or
ten yards. It's easy for them.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
See, I think like and I can't stress this enough,
and I sound like a typical disgruntled radio sports host
when I say this, but we should keep in mind
I don't care if they win or lose, liver or die.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
They're not my team.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
But they are so badly coached it defies description both coordinators.
Although Austin's just a puppet Tom Win, they're incompetent and
right now, like I said, I hear what Tom Win
said today, and I can tell Tom he doesn't know
what to do.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Do you think an offensive mine like Ben Johnson sees
that like the cushion on a third and five, and
he's just like he has a pause for a moment
in his own brain, like, am I missing something?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Like?

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Are they doing something that I'm not seeing right now?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I like it was only you know, ball hockey, that
cocky whatever, but I would see stuff the other team
would do and I go, okay, this is so easy
to exploit.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
There must be a side of an I can't figure out.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
That had to have happened one time in that game
where he's like, why are they off so much on
third and five? What am I missing here? Nothing?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Easy first down?

Speaker 1 (29:39):
How much will Jones and Harmon not hurt? I think
Harmon not hurts a lot. Then again, well that they're
gonna run with Cook. But in general, if I were
the opposition, I'd just pass on the Steelers all the time.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I think Jones being out might hurt a little bit
more than Harmon. Jones's been playing okay.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay, and it just delimits the jumbo packer.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Their depth is just not good on the offensive line,
so having to dip into that depth, limiting the jumbo package,
that's no good.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I think they're gonna make Washington would tackle next year
and I wouldn't. But that's my hunch because I think I, well,
maybe not next year, but maybe they transition because I
don't think they're gonna pick up the fifth year on
Broderick Jones, which of course will be an indictment of
them trading up to draft him or drafting him at all.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Really well, Mount Washington got whooped by Mon's has sweat
twice on single raps on one on one that there.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Was criticism of him blocking sweat one on one like
that matchup, the Steelers allowing it. But but if he
can't block sweat one on one, what's the point of
having the big fatso out there in the first place.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I thought he was supposed to be the extra tackle.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
And if you want him to be a left tackle
in the future, if you're someone that wants to transition
to that, why can't he block sweat one on one now?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
And Tom I weigh less than Darnell Washington, I can
call him fat so that's right.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
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Speaker 4 (30:50):
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Speaker 2 (30:53):
Whoa you'll got on day? Wednesday?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Maybe one.

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What do we got for today's trifecta?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
For today's trifecta, mark, I've got the three most unproductive
day or days at work, because I think we're in
one right now, not right.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Today, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I think tomorrow is the law. Yeah, yeah, number one, No,
that's my number two actually on the list, Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Number three is the day I tend to be as
lazy as possible for tomorrows.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Show, no doubt. Number three is the day before your vacation,
you know, your big vacation in the summertime. Go to
the beach for a week like that Friday, that Thursday,
whenever you'll even forget that day at work. That's a
free day. But number one for me, and it's a
couple of days, is the first days of March Madness.
I mean, the entire country still goes to work sometimes
on March Madness, but just watches the games all day long.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I think a lot either either take a vacation day
or call in sick. And the employers know obviously if
they call in sick for March Madness, at least I
would hope they're not that dumb. But yeah, I agree
with with all of those, although it should be noted
that you and I are both working Black Friday. That's
right because I am conscientious about taking Fridays and Mondays

(32:37):
off during Steeler season. Not that I never do it right,
but for example the trip to Liverpool, but well, that
supersedes all absolutely.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
But this is a massive game against the Bills, Mark,
I mean, the Steeler's gotta have it. The citizens need
us on Friday.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
I don't know if it's that.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean, like the massive game is December seventh, to
day that will live in infamy at Baltimore, and you know,
to be fair of Baltimore, I mean, I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Look has the Buffalo game, but Baltimore's not playing great.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
They remind me the Steelers early in the season where
they're not playing great and finding ways to win. Lamar
doesn't look like he's all the way back from that injury.
That said, why ask why? But then again, we didn't
bother asking why when the Steelers started out four and
one and didn't look good, and maybe we should have
maybe they should have.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, but there's reasons to believe in the Ravens track
record in recent years, Lamar Jackson. That's the main reason
that even though they're just trying to find ways to
win right now, that there is something there that they
could actually make a run in the playoffs. When the
Steelers are just finding ways to win early in the season,
you could see it was kind of small.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I said before the season that the Ravens have the
best roster in football, and I still believe that. And
here's the point about the Steelers good start and the
Ravens winning now but not playing well. The Steelers, even
when they were winning games, you knew they didn't have
a second gear, another level to get to, at least
I thought that, whereas I think Baltimore has maybe a
second and a third gear to get to and probably

(34:00):
will on December seventh, a day that will live.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
That's a much better way to put it. And I
could definitely see that, although you know what, I could
see that second gear starting to kick in Thanksgiving night Thursday,
Joe Burrow and the Bengals come to town like kind
of treat that as like, all right, let's make the
stretch run now.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
But here's here's how optimistic Steeler fans get in the
process of lining themselves.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Burrow's back gonna beat Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
They could. I think he could beat Baltimore. I think
it could be a shootout. But the defense for the
Bengals sucks so much. Burrow's not gonna go in and
play safety. He's not gonna just limit the Ravens offense.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I am rooting for whatever has to happen to get
the Ravens and Steelers with the same record on December seventh,
the day that will live in infamy.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I would love that the six and six prediction to
come true, because it looks right now like the Steelers
are gonna be there. They're gonna be six and six,
but Baltimore's probably seven and five.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
One percent of our audience do you think gets the
infamy reference which I'm beating to death.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Percent of the audience, yep, I would say probably five.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
See, you're not allowed to do that. On five nine,
the x W, the except