November 3, 2025 • 36 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk about the Steelers big win over the Colts. They also do some Pens talk ahead of the game in Toronto tonight.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Madden Show on a Steeler Monday.
You were no good for me, I'm no good for you.
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I'm shocked by what happened. I never saw that coming.
At least it feels like there's life in the Steelers now.
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At least they showed some pride in front of the
super Bowl forty guys. The defense wasn't perfect. Indy was
five out of five on fourth down. I don't get
Washington getting lots of targets. I don't get Metcalf disappointing.
I don't know what happened to the running game. The
defensive backfield still is not to be trusted. The special
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teams coach clown boy Danny Smith. He's on TV way
too much, dude. They converted a fake punt, sit down,
shut up, and chew a little less gum. But mostly
it was real, real good. Maybe I'm being too hard
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on Danny Smith. Everybody loves a clown. He should get
a big red nose and big floppy shoes. Uh, let's
talk now to Tommy Radio. Tom what are you making Danny
Smith on TV? You know he's probably a good guy
and a good coach.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He just bugs me.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, you're kind of like Rob Riggle and Stepbrothers right
where it's just like, it's just something about your face.
And Will Ferrell's like, is anything I can do about that? No,
just your face exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
But Danny Smith could kick my ass. Let's make night
of course about that. Did what stripsack?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
When not? The Colts finished that drive and go ahead
fourteen nil.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
It was getting really dark in that stadium too, because
they had the lucky break with Josh Down's muffing the
punt and then they go for it on fourth down,
which is good. I don't want them to be discouraged
for not getting that because that was the right decision,
but they failed and things were starting to flip there.
I bet the boobirds were gonna come out if the
Colts punched that in the end zone and then yeah,
watch just struck like a bolt of lightning. I don't
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want to say he specifically won the game just on
that drive or that play, but.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
He did well.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Rogers needed to capitalize on it, no question he did.
But like you said, nothing was going right there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
If the cold squad fourteen nil, I think the crowd
turns they were already dark. That just changed the whole
complexion of the game.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
The Steelers have sixteen takeaways, second in the league, but
eleven of those came in two games.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's a skewed.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Number, absolutely, and they needed to be more of a
consistent thing. They can't have the stretch like they just
did where they went with like three straight games without
forcing a turnover. That's a death sentence for them because
I know some of this might have been done in
garbage time mark, but Danny Diame's still ripping them up.
As far as passing yard it is is concerned. And
the Colts severely outgained the Steelers, and I just think
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that's the way this defense is. Like, You're never gonna
get them to keep a team to two hundred total
yards of offense. But their bread and butter, their secret
sauce is forcing the turnover and sacks, sax and turnovers.
And that dried up for three straight games. And they
looked like absolute crap when that dries up.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know what they did too, This is a little thing.
I'm gonna talk about it more later. On the pass rush.
They got their arms up, they deflected balls, h Wilson
batted that ball to the modern day.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Warrior for for that, it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so, so at least they're doing I mean, I know,
that's a fundamental thing that you just should do, but
sometimes they don't.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And yesterday they did and they're so good at it,
and it was weird to see that kind of dry
up as well in the stretch when they were playing
so poorly. Cam is the one who is elite at that,
so it was good to see him. I know, the
Colts scored on this drive, but he batted two in
a row down at the goal line.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But he's so old. I'm like, I'm like looking at
the I'm old. I can't keep my arms up. I'm
getting tired.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But he's I was great to see him set the
tone in that area and then yeah, some other players
after follow through with it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Now, Rogers, like I said, wasn't great stats wise, but
three touchdowns in a field goal out of Indy six turnovers.
Rogers is clinical when he's got to be. And again,
I think he's the MVP so far this season.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The capitalization off of the turnovers is just a big
difference there. You know, Steelers teams in years past, even
last year with Russ. I know Russ had a heater
for that six or seven game stretch, but you know
they're not getting three touchdowns in a field goal off
of their turnovers. They're just not that's gonna be three
field goals in a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They've been lucky to get any touchdown a bunch of
field goals.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, so no question, Like, I know the stats don't
look great for him in this game, but man, he
Other than if you're gonna pick anybody from the offense
to be the MVP of the game yesterday, it was
Aaron Rodgers by a long shot.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Like I said, the defense had five takeaways at New
England six yesterday, but I felt like New England gave
those away in that game back when. But yes, against
any of the Steelers defense made plays in five sacks too.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think this was a much.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Better defensive performance than we've seen all year, and that
includes the New England game.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, and just because also you're going up against the
number one offense in the league coming into the game,
so it's even more impressive when you look at it
from that lens. I get what you're saying about that
vibe of the New England turnovers, Like New England just
kept making so many mistakes. Ramondre Stevenson, the running back,
just kept coughing the ball up right at the goal line.
With Indianapolis, they were forced. I mean there was nothing
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that TJ watch stripsack. I mean, what do you do there?
You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing the Colts
did wrong. That was just what making a great play
the interceptions. I mean her big or no, not her
big Wilson to jump up as high as he did
and tip that pass and then Sawyer to have the
athleticism in the wherewithal to get the pick and finish
the playoff. Like, yeah, there was a more of an
emphasis on that forcing of turnovers against the Colts.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I still feel like the secondary is a mess. Jones
threw for three hundred and forty two yards, but he
made mistakes, three picks, bad throws, But that secondary. I
did like Ramsey's safety. I did like that he seemed
to be on Warren a bit and he had that
big hit on Warren early that I mean, Warren didn't
do much.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I think the secondary is always going to be worrisome
and if you're not gonna get pressure on the quarterback,
and you're not forcing those turnovers, tipping those passes, you're
not providing that splash. They're just gonna get cooked. And
I like Ramsey and Dugger as the tandem moving forward.
I think you should just why not it worked right, Thornhill, Clark,
Pepper's they suck Pepper, no pun intended them in every
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now and again. You don't have to bench all three
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But no, I would bench all three.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, you know what, Dugger played ninety nine percent of
the snaps. He played all but one snap.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
After having like had a couple of days long the
defensive playbook.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So it only goes up from here.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And he's a hitter.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And Ramsey played every snap, so you're right, Maybe just
bench those guys, put them on the pay no mind list,
scratch him. One of those guys put a helmet on
someone else in a different position group.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I would not only scratch them, but insult them. I
would say, you're not getting a helmet. This guy who's
been here fifteen minutes, he played all the players. You
guys suck. He's good, Stay out of my sight.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But the problem there as the trickle down, what do
you do at the cornerback position now, because Eccos is
such a true slot that he would slide right into
what Ramsey's role was. But then that leaf sleigh as
you're outside, and I think Slay is cooked.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, it was yesterday a PS game or what. He
got penalties, but he made plays. He made a lot
of plays. I thought that that was one of his
better games. It was him impressed man more than normal looked.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
By Yeah, and I think you're gonna get some penalties
when you do that, but look at the plays.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'm not bothered by that.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, if he's gonna make those plays, yeah, and yeah,
you live with I.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Know, yesterday was a good game. It was a PS game. Yeah,
I could live with an Then some what did you
make of that four to three?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Look with it when it came to the Steelers in
the outside linebacker? Yeah, oh, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
They lined up basically in a four to.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Three and then there was three inside linebackers sometimes. Yeah,
it was a nice little wrinkle and it was really useful.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Is the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer because he's an
edge but he's kind of an outside back or two
in the definition of that position, and he's big enough
to give you a look inside.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And he's just a playmaker. I mean, dudes at Ohio
State was one of the best players there. Like, he's
just got that in his DNA. I think it's awesome
to see them get creative with that room. And I
like seeing Harrison and Wilson and Queen on the field
at the same time too. Malik Harrison a decent contribution
to helping stopping the room with Jonathan Taylor right off
the ir.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And Plus we get one guest the year from the
Steelers and this year was Jack Sawyer. So he's our guy,
the modern day warrior. We got quite We got quite
a show today. I would say that even if it
weren't true. But but Matt Williamson's going to join us.
Are football guru, the former prom and college Scott. I
want to hear him talk about this this four to
three look and what they're doing with with the backers
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both inside and outside. I find that fascinating and see
what he thinks of Ramsey. It's safety as well. It's
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
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Speaker 1 (08:55):
Are freaking out the game show with Mark Madden and
Tom Afferman. There are a bunch of reasons to take
a single result, a good one like we saw yesterday
for the Steelers. There's a bunch of reasons to take
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that result with a grain of salt. And one good
reason is that the NFL is fed up. I can't
think of a more accurate way to put it. The
NFL's just theft up. Chicago beat Cincinnati forty seven, forty two.
Cincinnati just can't score enough except against the Steelers. Cincinnati
with thirty eight points or more in each of the
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last two games, both losses. Minnesota upsets Detroit at Detroit.
I don't know if that was a coming on party
for the young quarterback, the second year guy, JJ McCarthy,
but he looked pretty good. Carolina wins at Green Bay
and the Panther's not off to five and four? How
the frig has that happened? And Buffalo beat Kansas City
and maybe that's not even not upset, although it will
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be if it ever happens in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But right this second, Kansas.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
City is out of the postseason, like I'm predicting, Tom,
what did you make to some of those results?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Just nuts?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Right, Yeah, it's just so typical of the NFL. The
Steelers kind of fell into that category. Like I think
that's kind of what people around the center are avoiding
right now because you want to drum up optimism. And
it was their best performance by far of the season,
so I don't even want to go down this road.
But it was a weird weekend and the Steelers were
an upset that is kind of in that same ilk
that like no one saw that coming.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Baltimore one on Thursday, given that how big is this
went over Indy to keep the Ravens at arm's length.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's massive, And I thought that they were both going
to be six and six, as you know, when they meet,
maybe that changes that. Now maybe you can be seven
and five and kind of have that position of advantage.
December seventh is, oh, a day that will live in infamy,
So maybe you'll have a little bit of a slight
advantage and not be on even footing when the Ravens
and see or meet for the first time this year.
So it's such a big deal because they're coming like
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they are going to win a lot of games straight
right now, So you got all you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
What, if you can go to LA and be to Chargers, yep,
you might have enough cushion where you could hold them off,
maybe win the division. I feel like this game, I
don't think you gotta win it. I think it helps
you a great deal if you do win it.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Absolutely, that's you have to stack some wins up because
they did give you an opportunity. Don't allow them back
into the race.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Chargers are what six and three, but they're they're real
like up and down there. There's so many teams and
the Steelers in this category, Tom that are just up
and down. You never know what you're gonna get from
week to week.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I have a hard time kind of getting to
read on what this game is gonna play out on
Sunday night in LA. Like they were struggling in that
first quarter against the Titans, who are just terrible, and
then they kind of turn it on this week and
the Chargers kind of cruise to a seven point victory.
But I don't know it. It really feels like, like
you said, this is gonna decide what the season is.
This will define the season. What happened in LA where
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the Steelers go from there?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Now, do you think Indy's a fraud or was it
just a bad game?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, I don't think that Indie's a fraud. I think
Indy's going to go to the playoffs. They'll probably win
the AFC South. They're a good football team.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The one thing I will say, and this doesn't make
them a fraud, but I think they got rattled a
little bit, like after the watch strip Sack denied them
the fourteen zero probably the fourteen zero lead, And I
think you see that sometimes when teams that haven't been
that good for a long time, not this good kind
of or feeling their way into being that kind of
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a team.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I wonder too, the effect of Jonathan Taylor being shut
down for really the first time this happened. I have
no idea, to be honest with you, but kudfense the
four to three look, I think it helped.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Either get confused or do you think they just made plays?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
One thing I noticed there This is football one oh one,
but they're tackling was better than it has been.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, I think that they just spent an entire
week two weeks really being embarrassed and hearing about how
bad they were and how Jonathan Taylor was just gonna
run all over them. They just put a huge emphasis
on stopping him. They kind of sacked up for lack
of a better.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, but it's one thing to be determined, it's another
thing to execute.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Execute, and they did it beautifully.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, Oh no question, Like I said, I can't wait
to talk to Williamson about uh that four to three
look and who did what and how it contained Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Now, Tyler, don't you think the Colts, like this is
the first game they kind of had to have Danny
Dimes go win it for them, and he failed miserably.
But yeah, but he just turned.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It over way too a lot of garbage time stuff, right, Like,
Like it's easy to say an accurate to say that
they got six takeaways but only won by seven.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
But the Colts cut up at garbage time. But if the.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Steelers were to have made one more error or the
Colts would have made one less, there, the Colts could
win that game.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, And the Steelers allowed them to catch up in
garbage time by being abysmal at running the football the
entire game averaging like one point seven yards per carry.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Now Tyler warned a tight end. He didn't do much.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Uh five catches twenty six yards Uh to contain both Tyler,
Taylor rather and Warren. It's amazing. And it seemed like
Ramsey's safety was he on Warren a lot? He made
that big hitter that.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Kind of stood out, So maybe that's why we're thinking
he was on Warren a lot. But I think he was,
Like I think he's safety, he has to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I think that was the most stable I've seen a
pretty unstable secondary, and I have to think. I mean,
Duggard done his part, coming in cold without even knowing
the defense. But but I gotta think Ramsey was the
biggest factor there.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
He had to be. Ramsey really pulling a lot of
the weight there. And Dougger is only going to get better,
He's only gonna get more familiar with the defense. He's
gonna only settle in more. So that like we said
in the first thing, that's your tandem now moving forward
and that transmission. But that transition needs to be made
by Ramsey. It just does. It's you think when Cincinnati
comes to town in a couple of weeks, they'll put
him on chase again. I do know they can't.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You watch they made changes yesterday, although the four to
three stuff with the inside backers the outside back they
didn't have to do that. So maybe they're finally learning
from their mistakes and from their lack of adjustment. But
I think when everybody's healthy and they have those bummy
safeties available, they're gonna use the bummy safeties.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
There is a track record in recent Steelers memory of
something working and then them kind of going back to
what they are used to instead of sticking with you
know what just got them a win Cincinnati Bengals game
last year when rustling them up it says.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It says a lot about my opinion of the coaching
that the coach, he made several adjustments in you know,
made some gutsy moves yesterday, and I still have no
faith whatsoever in them to do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I don't think of trust either that it's going
to continue. And I think there's reason to not have trust.
You need to see this become. The consistent thing with
them is being able to add wrinkles changing.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now, coachs couldn't run the ball, but the Steelers couldn't
run the ball either. Jayalen Warren had thirty one yards
on sixteen carries, thirty eight yards total rushing for the Steelers.
That's one of the reasons I'm not getting giddy. The
Steelers got a game three hundred and sixty eight yards
to two hundred and twenty five. It's no exaggeration to
say that game was won by those takeaways.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Period and Rogers. I think you have to add Rogers
well the conversion, yeah, because he finishes off those takeaways. Yeah.
The run game by the Steelers is the most disappointing
part of the game for me when it comes to Steelers.
I mean, it was just abysmal, and it was showing
so much progress the previous couple of weeks. The first
half against Green Bay, who was a really good rush defense,
you were killing them on the ground, and then you
just decided to stop running against them. You ran really
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well against the Bengals, you did okay against the Browns.
Warren was kind of starting a round into someone that
you were like, you know what, maybe he kind of
is a number one back, or he's doing a good
enough job so far this year. And then for them
to just fall so flat against an Indie Colts defense.
That's fine, but not a defense that should have shut
them down like that on the ground, and especially Mark
when this was the perfect game for the ground game
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to really blossom. Right, you start salting away a lead,
and you could have leaned on that to get first
downs and chew up some clock and avoid the Colts
catching up in garbage time, but you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Why is Metcalf so relatively uninvolved and Darnell Washington seems
to be preferred?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Metcalf only four targets.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I don't know if Darnell Washington's preferred, Like I don't
think Rogers goes into games like he's like, I can't
wait to throw to Washington had.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Six targets Metcalf four.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That is an unexpected disparity, but but not a ridiculous one.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But what I'm saying is, just like I think Rogers
would want to go to DK Metcalf, I think that
he has all the intentions in the week to give
him a lot of targets. I just don't know if
DK's doing what he needs to see.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I know this won't be a popular opinion, and you'll
probably disagree. I think Washington's a bum I think he's
big and nothing else.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
But he's contributing to the offense, right, so the blocking
and in the passing game he had, Yeah, he contributed.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
To a He contributed great blocking to an offense. To
let me look at the stats here. Oh yeah, it
rushed for thirty eight yards.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
But it had nothing that he had. They had nothing
going in the passing game either, and Rogers needed something
to throw to and he was a life raft for
him in this game.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I think Johnny Smith's pissed he came here.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think Johnny Smith should be pissed that he dropped
that first pass of the game that was right in
breadcast and he could have taken that for like sixty yards.
He had so much room to run out there. Did
you see the Dolphins want to trade Menca? Johnny Fermenka
straight up again?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know what? You know what?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Be like, Hey, you know what?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Doom?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I'm not kidding. Maybe you're you're onto something. Don't you
love the tomorrow's the trade deadline?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Don't you love all the rumors? I do?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's I think they're gonna do anything I don't in
the offense very minor. They might bring in uh that
Valdez scanting they might sign him, not.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Trading for him, that's a signing. I don't think they're
gonna make a trade on the offensive side of the ball.
They should trade for a corner. They should try to
get into that corner market. If you definitely want to
move Ramsey to safety. Sleigh is just so cooked. I
don't want him outside.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't want him. I wouldn't give.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Hm a helmet, So go trade at four corner so
you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I was reading on one of those you know, team
by team trade deadline expectations, right, and they said that
likely to leave is Darius Slay and I just can't
believe any team would want to trade for Darius Slay.
And then they said a likely target, like we've been
hearing for weeks, is Jacoby Myers, the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
From Vegas.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I thought to myself, okay, if I could get if
I could trade Sligh and know he'd be covering Jakobe Myers,
I would definitely target Jakobe Myers in the trade market.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
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That ends the point streak at eight games. Brunick had
a bad game on defense minus two and some bad errors.
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He's playing his ninth game tonight when the Penguins visit Toronto,
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onto that Blue Jays misery from the World Series. Tom,
I'm not panicked by the loss at Winnipeg. The Penguins,
like I said, do for a bad game, but two
things were wonky. Like I said, was a lot of
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two goals in the first three minutes and Brunick wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Again. What would you do with Brunick.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm worried that they're going to send him back. But
something that you've been talking about for the past week
or two is you don't want to split up these kids,
like Brunick is part of that original group, the Ogs.
You know, the energy, yeah, the enthusiasm, the locker room.
I think back to Opening Night and you started with Gino,
sid and Kindle with Brunick and Ltang as your defense pair,
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and it was just like that was such a statement
for this is the new era of Penguin's hockey with
the old era of Penguins hockey, and to let Brunick
go from that just, I don't know. It doesn't sit well.
Maybe you just keep him and you scratch him and
you load management him and you rotate him with Doomba,
but you just you keep him.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
He's been more good than bad. He just had a
rough patch lately. But yeah, I keep him and let
him work it out here. That would absolutely, one hundred
percent be my decision.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And also, if you're trying to make the playoffs now,
he is one of your best six defense. The only
thing that puts him in the bad spot is Dumba's
pretty good. And they could have Dumba with Tang and
Carlston on the right side.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
But here's a kicker.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You send Brunick back to juniors, he can't return what
if one of the right sided guys gets.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Hurt exactly And and I just don't want to put
yourself in that box. If Brunick does just develop and
get better as the year goes on, and then he's
stuck in juniors all of a sudden and you desperately
need him even if no one gets hurt, Mark, you
just need him for that extra you know, jolt to help.
Like you said, have your best six defenseman out there
as you try to make a playoff.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
See, I wouldn't be uncomfortable with Dumba and Brunick is
my bottom pair with Doomba playing the off side.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
But boy Dan used the new coach. He hasn't lied much,
but he lied about how he wouldn't mind a righty,
righty pair.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Uh. The minute that Caleb Jones got hurt, he called
up a left Owen Pickering after one game, just one
game of a righty, righty pair.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And he's been okay right Owen Pickering, like he's not
been terrible, and you want him to be, you know,
a bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
For him, because I think he's a talent. I always
feel a bit disappointed.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But he's a young kid because you what you viewed him.
You never viewed him as a top pair, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I viewed him as a solid number two guy, and
he's too young to maybe have reached his peak yet,
but I thought he'd be closer.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I still like the idea of having him and Brunick
as your bottom pair most nights and then maybe spelling
Doomba in for Brunick and maybe doom Ba in on
his off side for pickering, and you can kind of
have a rotation of those three down there.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Here's the big question for me, lineup wise, who should
play on Sid's wing while Raquel's hurt?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Because Hollander.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Ain't it that he's been there with Sid and rushed
since Raquel's injury. And that's not knocking Hollander, But I've
always seen him as maybe bottom six is too strong,
maybe middle six, but I never saw him as a
Sid wing.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And I'm not allowed to pull Kindle off of the
third line as my answer, because that's.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What kingdle a shot, even though he's better at center
than he is wing. But past Hollander and Kindle, I'm
not sure who the other choices are. You can't pull
anybody off the market line, Brazo or Mantha. That line's working.
Plus those guys are too big and slow to play
with Sid. Who else is there? I mean Tommy Novak,
I hope not. The depth ain't there.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
And I guess we're just done with coiven In as
far as him playing with said, well, I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Would say Coyven, but I gotta tell you, remember, I
got a little bit twitchy when they set him down
after just a couple of games, and he did rip
up Wilkes. But now since returning, he's got zero points
in four games, zero points in six games total.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He just can't get going.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Worried he might be like one of those Quad A players, right,
like he's just kind of stucked too early.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
But I do worry that he's not ready just now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But you know what could really get him going is
skating with Sid for an extended period of time. But
I don't know if Sid wants that. You referenced that
Covenan might not have the speed to keep up with
Sid on that line.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, see, I think he does.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I'm not sure the organization does, or for that matter,
Sid thinks that.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, And so often they just try to read And
I'm not saying they like this current organizats them, past organistions,
for past front offices for the Penguins. They always just
try to read what Sid wants and try to just
make the decision for him. Almost.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I guess Shiloff's played okay and goal at Winnipeg twenty
nine saves despite letting in the two early ones. I'm
not sure he was at fault for those didn't let
in the first shot at least Tom let in the
second one. But I don't trust the goaltending. Maybe I should,
but I don't yet.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't think Shiloff's was terrible, like you said, But
what if Jari comes out in Dazzles tonight against the least,
do you start to decide about your rotation or do
you keep strong with that.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I'm rotating them through the end of this month, at
least barring one of them. Just being catastrophically bad. Catastrophically
bad would affect my decision more than being amazingly good.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, that's the more likely scenario too, is that one's
gonna blow up as opposed to one become Patrick Waugh.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm not hoping for that, but that's certainly how I
bet that's what it would go as. Yeah, yeah, so,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Maybe I'm rotten to say that, but that's how I
feel about the goaltending. What is it about Toronto? They're
off to like a five hundred start. Marner's gone. Toronto
got good players like Matthews and Nilander, but no goaltending,
and maybe they're past their window.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And you know what's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I wondered why Toronto didn't go out and get a
better goalie. I wonder why Edmonton didn't go out and
get a better goalie. And you know why, Tom, there's
none to get. Okay, there's none to get. There is
just the shortage of good goaltending.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I think there was one to get. They could have
gotten Johnny Gibson. Yeah, because Detroit got him in. Detroit's
off to a really good start with him between.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The boy I'm sure John's overjoyed to move from the
beach in Malibu to d Detroit.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He's playing good hockey, though he's not a good team
though I would.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Guess that neither one reminds him of Baldwin.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs, like
maybe Mitch Marner was just the guy there, Like maybe
he was the one that really stirred that drink for them.
Because Matthew's only a six goals so far through twelve games.
He's not terrible, don't get me wrong, but you're Austin
Matthews man, You're supposed to have more than that.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, you gotta give Vegas credit because they have Aiden Hill,
a guy who won a Cup but they didn't want
to take no chances. They had the guts, the wist
and the slings and arrows of the righteous coverage of
the athletic and they signed carter Hart.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I think it's a really good move for them. Edmonton
should have got carter Hart.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Would you say that? I know that Toronto should.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Have got carter Hart.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Know what, though, the media in Toronto and as liberal
as candidate is the leaf to ride alive if they
would have got carter Hart after for those who don't know,
he was acquitted of the rape thing when he played
for World Juniors for Canada.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean that move carter Hart comes back because he'll
probably want he'll play second half of the season.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You think we don't get me wrong, He ain't. He
ain't that good either, but he was never created in Philadelphia.
The potentials there right, Yeah, And like I said, if
I were at Toronto or Edmonton, I would have taken
a chance on that potential.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, I absolutely would have because you need to you
need somebody to just put you over the top, and
maybe he can do that. Did you say Vegas is
probably the best team in your eyes right now? The
record wise doesn't say that they only have fifteen points,
but I don't know if you if you them, Colorado
is off to a really great start too.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Colorado's not deep enough and they, you know what's funny,
as good as McKinnon and cal mccarr r Randon might
have been there. I don't want to say their best players,
but their most impactful player.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Kind of like what we were just saying about Marner
with the Leafs, like maybe he was their most impactful player.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think I think, I mean he was a playmaking wing.
I think I think he made Matthews and plus the
combination of him.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And Jack Tichl in Vegas is deadly. It is freaking deadly.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The Jets are honestly probably the best team in hockey.
But you ain't trusting the Winnipeg Jets or Hella Buck
in the net come playoff time.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm not trusting anybody in the league in nets.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
If you had to say to me which team is
gonna win based on having the best goaltending, I would
say none of the above.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's so devoid at that position. I mean, Vasileski's the
best goaltender in hockey. Maybe still not igor but they
both have fourteen points and the Rangers and the Lightning
are stuck in the moshy middle right now.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Vassie's worn out. He just old played a lot of
playoff games. Shasterkin is just on a team that ain't good.
Whatever the Rangers of the I'm gonna break up my
old line, Tom, whatever it is the New York Rangers
never had, they still haven't got.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And if you want some blind, nutty optimism with.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The Penguins, what if things just keep going bad for
good teams with bad goaltenders and Jari plays good up
till the trade deadline, because you do if the Penguins
are in the hunt and could get something legitimate to
help now for Jari, and you can bring up Morishov,
why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
He's got the fourth best safe percentage in hockey right now,
Tristan Jarry just slightly in front of Connor Hellibut.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's a lie you made that looking at it right now,
turn the screen.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Ninety percentage. Tristian Jarry's fourth in the NHL.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That looks like a forgery to be one oh five
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Speaker 3 (30:33):
Tom what do we got for today's trifector? Mark? I
got the three biggest beasts on that Steelers defense yesterday
against the Colts. That's tough to narrow downe it really is.
And I left TJ. Watt off the list because he
had the biggest play of a defensive player. But there
were guys that had, you know, more than one play.
And we're just all over the field.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
J I'm gonna hear you out, but that that seems
like a bad call.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Initially I put high Smith on the list at number three.
He was wrecking that game opposite of TJ. Watt. Two sacks,
two tackles for loss, hitting the quarterback like crazy. And
he's been under the microscope a lot about being like
why is herbing not playing over you? So he stepped
up huge as with TJ.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's about time, Yeah, no question about it. He's a
high paid player on that defense. Number two for me
is Joey Porter Junior. We talked about him a little
bit earlier, big pick to seal the game at the end,
which was awesome. But he was all over Pittman in
that game, very physical, making plays. Who cares about the
DPIs because he was a noticeable difference maker in that secondary.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm a big PS fan, have been since they drafted him.
Was when he was at Penn State. Heck, I saw
him play at North at Lagany, and I think his
failure here is disappointment to date here in his Steel
career is partly because they don't deploy him right. They're
so scared of those past interference penalties. Yes, they don't
have him played press man enough. He should be playing
pressman all the time. And you live with the good
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and the bad, because yesterday the good far out numbered
the bat.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And if you got to have your other corners play
more pressman or play man coverage because of that, so
be it, because it's what Porter does best. Number one
for me, though, is Peyton Wilson. He was awesome all
over the field. Fourteen total tackles. I think it was
like ten solo tackles, fourteen total tackles. Had that big
interception too, which I don't know what Danny Dimes was
looking at because Wilson was just kind of like sitting
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there Jack. Peyton Wilson was like a true middle linebacker
should be. Was all over the place, making tackles, making
splash plays. And Patrick Queen was good, but Peyton Wilson
was the number one inside backer and if he can
kind of start to ascend to that more consistently, it's
great news for Steelers.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You know what's great about your list, Tom, the trifecta
is all three guys have mostly been crapped this.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Year and they stepped up huge in this game. Yeah,
can they keep doing it, they need to for sure.
And with let me put it this way, with Peyton
Wilson and Joey Porter Jr. I mean, those two guys,
there's a lot on their shoulders as far as like
you need to be the next wave of Steelers defenders
because these old guys. I mean, they had a great
game against the Colts, but I'm still nervous about the
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consistency for an older defense. They need some of the
youth to step by, and Wilson and Joey Port Junior
are prime candidates for that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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Speaker 2 (33:05):
Tom how nuts was that World Series? An entire country heartbroken?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It was great. I hate how we always go to
this is the best World Series ever. This is the
best thing that I've ever seen. Why do we have
to do that every time?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Nineteen sixty World Series was better or more drama in
that one, And I'm glad that nobody from the Blue
jayson a walk off home run in Game seven.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I want that to be Mas's property forever.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That was the only thing that ruined that watching experience
to me was as it was unfolding and cool, dramatic
things are happening. I'd hop on Twitter and people would
be like, this is the best World Series I've ever
seen in the history of baseball. It's the best ever,
and it's just like, why do we have to be
so dramatic. Let's just enjoy what's happening in front of us.
I thought it was gonna end on a walk off replay,
which would have just I did it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
For a second too.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, how about IKF should have scored on that play.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But he's you know, you know what I give ik
have credit for.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
He was getting excoriated on social media because he didn't
get a good jump to score.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
He told the truth.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
He said that the third base coach told me to
stay close because you don't want me to get doubled up.
If I don't score the series ending run. That makes
the whole nation go bonkers. And it's not my fault.
I'm saying it's not my fault.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
He's got a lot of experience throwing coaching under the
bus too, for the time with the Pirates, so he's
good at that. He said a lot of bad coaching,
He's had a lot of bad coaching as well. That's true.
Tawny pitching was such a marvel to start that game too,
didn't do so good, But Yamamoto, I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Stole the spot likely and him in Glass now pitched
ok too, last.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Pitch ok, but on back to back days you have.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But Glass only threw three pitches the night before, so
throw in the nineties the night before, and then to
come out and throw a couple innings on top of
that and get out of jams. I thought it was
a very deserving World Series MVP and.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
His arm didn't fall off. Maybe it's a miracle. That's
food for thought moving forward. You know what else I
hated about the World Series, like people immediately presented and
I'll talk more about this at length later that oh,
the Dodgers bought a World Series. Well, the Dodgers did
have the highest payroll in baseball at three hundred and
fifty million. Toronto had the seventh highest payroll at two
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hundred and fifty five million. But they were presented as
poverty underdogs.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Right, and they took the Dodgers to the death. Honestly
should have won that game. Mark like the Blue Jays, miss.
I think several opportunities, And I'm saying the.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Better team lost, but I thought Toronto should have won
that game.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The better team in that game, I think did end
up losing because they had just so many opportunities that
they weren't able to capitalize on. So, yeah, it's weird
to paint it like that, like, oh, great, Goliath just
stepped on David again, like it was as tight as
it could possibly be. And then like you said, Toronto's
a huge market and they paid a ton of money
as well, Oh.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
You know what, you know what else? I I just
kind of rolled my eyes at that afterwards. You know,
a lot of local people. I give Noah House credit
because he went against the grain talking about this on Twitter,
but people were saying baseball's broken. Baseball's not broken. Baseball's
exactly as MLB wants it to be. The World Series
was the number two market in the country against an
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entire nation. Okay, the only way it could have been
a bigger deal is if a New York team was involved.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
If the Yankees were playing the Dodgers again, right, if the.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yankees were playing the Dodgers and playing Toronto, Let's make
it a three way dance.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Baseball's perfect Baseball is exactly where baseball wants to be,
and it's exactly where the owners, like Bob Nutting wanted
to be too. They don't want this cap nonsense. They
don't want to have to The.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Small market owners don't want to want to pay to
the floor. The big market owners do want to cost
certainty though. It's gonna be the weirdest CBA battle when
it expires after next season, and it's gonna be the
reverse that the rich guys want the cap, the poor guys.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Don't, and then once they come out of it after
a locked out season, Paul Skeen saves the sport by
being a New York Yankee and leading them to glory.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
The only thing better than that World Series would be
baseball locked out for a real long time.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
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I'm shocked by what happened. I never saw that coming.
At least it feels like there's life in the Steelers now.
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At least they showed some pride in front of the
super Bowl forty guys. The defense wasn't perfect. Indy was
five out of five on fourth down. I don't get
Washington getting lots of targets. I don't get Metcalf disappointing.
I don't know what happened to the running game. The
defensive backfield still is not to be trusted. The special
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teams coach clown boy Danny Smith. He's on TV way
too much, dude. They converted a fake punt, sit down,
shut up, and chew a little less gum. But mostly
it was real, real good. Maybe I'm being too hard
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on Danny Smith. Everybody loves a clown. He should get
a big red nose and big floppy shoes. Uh, let's
talk now to Tommy Radio. Tom what are you making Danny
Smith on TV? You know he's probably a good guy
and a good coach.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
He just bugs me.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, you're kind of like Rob Riggle and Stepbrothers right
where it's just like, it's just something about your face.
And Will Ferrell's like, is anything I can do about that? No,
just your face exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
But Danny Smith could kick my ass. Let's make night
of course about that. Did what stripsack?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
When not? The Colts finished that drive and go ahead
fourteen nil.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
It was getting really dark in that stadium too, because
they had the lucky break with Josh Down's muffing the
punt and then they go for it on fourth down,
which is good. I don't want them to be discouraged
for not getting that because that was the right decision,
but they failed and things were starting to flip there.
I bet the boobirds were gonna come out if the
Colts punched that in the end zone and then yeah,
watch just struck like a bolt of lightning. I don't
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want to say he specifically won the game just on
that drive or that play, but.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
He did well.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Rogers needed to capitalize on it, no question he did.
But like you said, nothing was going right there.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
If the cold squad fourteen nil, I think the crowd
turns they were already dark. That just changed the whole
complexion of the game.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
The Steelers have sixteen takeaways, second in the league, but
eleven of those came in two games.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's a skewed.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Number, absolutely, and they needed to be more of a
consistent thing. They can't have the stretch like they just
did where they went with like three straight games without
forcing a turnover. That's a death sentence for them because
I know some of this might have been done in
garbage time mark, but Danny Diame's still ripping them up.
As far as passing yard it is is concerned. And
the Colts severely outgained the Steelers, and I just think
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that's the way this defense is. Like, You're never gonna
get them to keep a team to two hundred total
yards of offense. But their bread and butter, their secret
sauce is forcing the turnover and sacks, sax and turnovers.
And that dried up for three straight games. And they
looked like absolute crap when that dries up.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You know what they did too, This is a little thing.
I'm gonna talk about it more later. On the pass rush.
They got their arms up, they deflected balls, h Wilson
batted that ball to the modern day.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Warrior for for that, it was crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Jack Sawyer.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, so, so at least they're doing I mean, I know,
that's a fundamental thing that you just should do, but
sometimes they don't.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
And yesterday they did and they're so good at it,
and it was weird to see that kind of dry
up as well in the stretch when they were playing
so poorly. Cam is the one who is elite at that,
so it was good to see him. I know, the
Colts scored on this drive, but he batted two in
a row down at the goal line.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
But he's so old. I'm like, I'm like looking at
the I'm old. I can't keep my arms up. I'm
getting tired.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
But he's I was great to see him set the
tone in that area and then yeah, some other players
after follow through with it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Now, Rogers, like I said, wasn't great stats wise, but
three touchdowns in a field goal out of Indy six turnovers.
Rogers is clinical when he's got to be. And again,
I think he's the MVP so far this season.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The capitalization off of the turnovers is just a big
difference there. You know, Steelers teams in years past, even
last year with Russ. I know Russ had a heater
for that six or seven game stretch, but you know
they're not getting three touchdowns in a field goal off
of their turnovers. They're just not that's gonna be three
field goals in a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They've been lucky to get any touchdown a bunch of
field goals.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, so no question, Like, I know the stats don't
look great for him in this game, but man, he
Other than if you're gonna pick anybody from the offense
to be the MVP of the game yesterday, it was
Aaron Rodgers by a long shot.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Like I said, the defense had five takeaways at New
England six yesterday, but I felt like New England gave
those away in that game back when. But yes, against
any of the Steelers defense made plays in five sacks too.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I think this was a much.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Better defensive performance than we've seen all year, and that
includes the New England game.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, and just because also you're going up against the
number one offense in the league coming into the game,
so it's even more impressive when you look at it
from that lens. I get what you're saying about that
vibe of the New England turnovers, Like New England just
kept making so many mistakes. Ramondre Stevenson, the running back,
just kept coughing the ball up right at the goal line.
With Indianapolis, they were forced. I mean there was nothing
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that TJ watch stripsack. I mean, what do you do there?
You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing the Colts
did wrong. That was just what making a great play
the interceptions. I mean her big or no, not her
big Wilson to jump up as high as he did
and tip that pass and then Sawyer to have the
athleticism in the wherewithal to get the pick and finish
the playoff. Like, yeah, there was a more of an
emphasis on that forcing of turnovers against the Colts.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I still feel like the secondary is a mess. Jones
threw for three hundred and forty two yards, but he
made mistakes, three picks, bad throws, But that secondary. I
did like Ramsey's safety. I did like that he seemed
to be on Warren a bit and he had that
big hit on Warren early that I mean, Warren didn't
do much.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I think the secondary is always going to be worrisome
and if you're not gonna get pressure on the quarterback,
and you're not forcing those turnovers, tipping those passes, you're
not providing that splash. They're just gonna get cooked. And
I like Ramsey and Dugger as the tandem moving forward.
I think you should just why not it worked right, Thornhill, Clark,
Pepper's they suck Pepper, no pun intended them in every
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now and again. You don't have to bench all three
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
But no, I would bench all three.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Well, you know what, Dugger played ninety nine percent of
the snaps. He played all but one snap.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
After having like had a couple of days long the
defensive playbook.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So it only goes up from here.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And he's a hitter.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
And Ramsey played every snap, so you're right, Maybe just
bench those guys, put them on the pay no mind list,
scratch him. One of those guys put a helmet on
someone else in a different position group.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I would not only scratch them, but insult them. I
would say, you're not getting a helmet. This guy who's
been here fifteen minutes, he played all the players. You
guys suck. He's good, Stay out of my sight.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
But the problem there as the trickle down, what do
you do at the cornerback position now, because Eccos is
such a true slot that he would slide right into
what Ramsey's role was. But then that leaf sleigh as
you're outside, and I think Slay is cooked.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, it was yesterday a PS game or what. He
got penalties, but he made plays. He made a lot
of plays. I thought that that was one of his
better games. It was him impressed man more than normal looked.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
By Yeah, and I think you're gonna get some penalties
when you do that, but look at the plays.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'm not bothered by that.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, if he's gonna make those plays, yeah, and yeah,
you live with I.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Know, yesterday was a good game. It was a PS game. Yeah,
I could live with an Then some what did you
make of that four to three?
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Look with it when it came to the Steelers in
the outside linebacker? Yeah, oh, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
They lined up basically in a four to.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Three and then there was three inside linebackers sometimes. Yeah,
it was a nice little wrinkle and it was really useful.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Is the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer because he's an
edge but he's kind of an outside back or two
in the definition of that position, and he's big enough
to give you a look inside.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And he's just a playmaker. I mean, dudes at Ohio
State was one of the best players there. Like, he's
just got that in his DNA. I think it's awesome
to see them get creative with that room. And I
like seeing Harrison and Wilson and Queen on the field
at the same time too. Malik Harrison a decent contribution
to helping stopping the room with Jonathan Taylor right off
the ir.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And Plus we get one guest the year from the
Steelers and this year was Jack Sawyer. So he's our guy,
the modern day warrior. We got quite We got quite
a show today. I would say that even if it
weren't true. But but Matt Williamson's going to join us.
Are football guru, the former prom and college Scott. I
want to hear him talk about this this four to
three look and what they're doing with with the backers
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both inside and outside. I find that fascinating and see
what he thinks of Ramsey. It's safety as well. It's
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Speaker 2 (08:53):
One O five ninety X people.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Are freaking out the game show with Mark Madden and
Tom Afferman. There are a bunch of reasons to take
a single result, a good one like we saw yesterday
for the Steelers. There's a bunch of reasons to take
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that result with a grain of salt. And one good
reason is that the NFL is fed up. I can't
think of a more accurate way to put it. The
NFL's just theft up. Chicago beat Cincinnati forty seven, forty two.
Cincinnati just can't score enough except against the Steelers. Cincinnati
with thirty eight points or more in each of the
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last two games, both losses. Minnesota upsets Detroit at Detroit.
I don't know if that was a coming on party
for the young quarterback, the second year guy, JJ McCarthy,
but he looked pretty good. Carolina wins at Green Bay
and the Panther's not off to five and four? How
the frig has that happened? And Buffalo beat Kansas City
and maybe that's not even not upset, although it will
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be if it ever happens in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But right this second, Kansas.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
City is out of the postseason, like I'm predicting, Tom,
what did you make to some of those results?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Just nuts?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Right, Yeah, it's just so typical of the NFL. The
Steelers kind of fell into that category. Like I think
that's kind of what people around the center are avoiding
right now because you want to drum up optimism. And
it was their best performance by far of the season,
so I don't even want to go down this road.
But it was a weird weekend and the Steelers were
an upset that is kind of in that same ilk
that like no one saw that coming.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Baltimore one on Thursday, given that how big is this
went over Indy to keep the Ravens at arm's length.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
It's massive, And I thought that they were both going
to be six and six, as you know, when they meet,
maybe that changes that. Now maybe you can be seven
and five and kind of have that position of advantage.
December seventh is, oh, a day that will live in infamy,
So maybe you'll have a little bit of a slight
advantage and not be on even footing when the Ravens
and see or meet for the first time this year.
So it's such a big deal because they're coming like
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they are going to win a lot of games straight
right now, So you got all you know, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
What, if you can go to LA and be to Chargers, yep,
you might have enough cushion where you could hold them off,
maybe win the division. I feel like this game, I
don't think you gotta win it. I think it helps
you a great deal if you do win it.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Absolutely, that's you have to stack some wins up because
they did give you an opportunity. Don't allow them back
into the race.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Chargers are what six and three, but they're they're real
like up and down there. There's so many teams and
the Steelers in this category, Tom that are just up
and down. You never know what you're gonna get from
week to week.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, I have a hard time kind of getting to
read on what this game is gonna play out on
Sunday night in LA. Like they were struggling in that
first quarter against the Titans, who are just terrible, and
then they kind of turn it on this week and
the Chargers kind of cruise to a seven point victory.
But I don't know it. It really feels like, like
you said, this is gonna decide what the season is.
This will define the season. What happened in LA where
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the Steelers go from there?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Now, do you think Indy's a fraud or was it
just a bad game?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
No, I don't think that Indie's a fraud. I think
Indy's going to go to the playoffs. They'll probably win
the AFC South. They're a good football team.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The one thing I will say, and this doesn't make
them a fraud, but I think they got rattled a
little bit, like after the watch strip Sack denied them
the fourteen zero probably the fourteen zero lead, And I
think you see that sometimes when teams that haven't been
that good for a long time, not this good kind
of or feeling their way into being that kind of
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a team.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I wonder too, the effect of Jonathan Taylor being shut
down for really the first time this happened. I have
no idea, to be honest with you, but kudfense the
four to three look, I think it helped.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Either get confused or do you think they just made plays?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
One thing I noticed there This is football one oh one,
but they're tackling was better than it has been.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
You know, I think that they just spent an entire
week two weeks really being embarrassed and hearing about how
bad they were and how Jonathan Taylor was just gonna
run all over them. They just put a huge emphasis
on stopping him. They kind of sacked up for lack
of a better.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yeah, but it's one thing to be determined, it's another
thing to execute.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Execute, and they did it beautifully.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, Oh no question, Like I said, I can't wait
to talk to Williamson about uh that four to three
look and who did what and how it contained Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Now, Tyler, don't you think the Colts, like this is
the first game they kind of had to have Danny
Dimes go win it for them, and he failed miserably.
But yeah, but he just turned.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It over way too a lot of garbage time stuff, right, Like,
Like it's easy to say an accurate to say that
they got six takeaways but only won by seven.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
But the Colts cut up at garbage time. But if the.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Steelers were to have made one more error or the
Colts would have made one less, there, the Colts could
win that game.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Yeah, And the Steelers allowed them to catch up in
garbage time by being abysmal at running the football the
entire game averaging like one point seven yards per carry.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Now Tyler warned a tight end. He didn't do much.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Uh five catches twenty six yards Uh to contain both Tyler,
Taylor rather and Warren. It's amazing. And it seemed like
Ramsey's safety was he on Warren a lot? He made
that big hitter that.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Kind of stood out, So maybe that's why we're thinking
he was on Warren a lot. But I think he was,
Like I think he's safety, he has to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I think that was the most stable I've seen a
pretty unstable secondary, and I have to think. I mean,
Duggard done his part, coming in cold without even knowing
the defense. But but I gotta think Ramsey was the
biggest factor there.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
He had to be. Ramsey really pulling a lot of
the weight there. And Dougger is only going to get better,
He's only gonna get more familiar with the defense. He's
gonna only settle in more. So that like we said
in the first thing, that's your tandem now moving forward
and that transmission. But that transition needs to be made
by Ramsey. It just does. It's you think when Cincinnati
comes to town in a couple of weeks, they'll put
him on chase again. I do know they can't.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
You watch they made changes yesterday, although the four to
three stuff with the inside backers the outside back they
didn't have to do that. So maybe they're finally learning
from their mistakes and from their lack of adjustment. But
I think when everybody's healthy and they have those bummy
safeties available, they're gonna use the bummy safeties.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
There is a track record in recent Steelers memory of
something working and then them kind of going back to
what they are used to instead of sticking with you
know what just got them a win Cincinnati Bengals game
last year when rustling them up it says.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
It says a lot about my opinion of the coaching
that the coach, he made several adjustments in you know,
made some gutsy moves yesterday, and I still have no
faith whatsoever in them to do the right thing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I don't think of trust either that it's going
to continue. And I think there's reason to not have trust.
You need to see this become. The consistent thing with
them is being able to add wrinkles changing.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Now, coachs couldn't run the ball, but the Steelers couldn't
run the ball either. Jayalen Warren had thirty one yards
on sixteen carries, thirty eight yards total rushing for the Steelers.
That's one of the reasons I'm not getting giddy. The
Steelers got a game three hundred and sixty eight yards
to two hundred and twenty five. It's no exaggeration to
say that game was won by those takeaways.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Period and Rogers. I think you have to add Rogers
well the conversion, yeah, because he finishes off those takeaways. Yeah.
The run game by the Steelers is the most disappointing
part of the game for me when it comes to Steelers.
I mean, it was just abysmal, and it was showing
so much progress the previous couple of weeks. The first
half against Green Bay, who was a really good rush defense,
you were killing them on the ground, and then you
just decided to stop running against them. You ran really
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well against the Bengals, you did okay against the Browns.
Warren was kind of starting a round into someone that
you were like, you know what, maybe he kind of
is a number one back, or he's doing a good
enough job so far this year. And then for them
to just fall so flat against an Indie Colts defense.
That's fine, but not a defense that should have shut
them down like that on the ground, and especially Mark
when this was the perfect game for the ground game
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to really blossom. Right, you start salting away a lead,
and you could have leaned on that to get first
downs and chew up some clock and avoid the Colts
catching up in garbage time, but you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Why is Metcalf so relatively uninvolved and Darnell Washington seems
to be preferred?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Metcalf only four targets.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
I don't know if Darnell Washington's preferred, Like I don't
think Rogers goes into games like he's like, I can't
wait to throw to Washington had.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Six targets Metcalf four.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That is an unexpected disparity, but but not a ridiculous one.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
But what I'm saying is, just like I think Rogers
would want to go to DK Metcalf, I think that
he has all the intentions in the week to give
him a lot of targets. I just don't know if
DK's doing what he needs to see.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
I know this won't be a popular opinion, and you'll
probably disagree. I think Washington's a bum I think he's
big and nothing else.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
But he's contributing to the offense, right, so the blocking
and in the passing game he had, Yeah, he contributed.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
To a He contributed great blocking to an offense. To
let me look at the stats here. Oh yeah, it
rushed for thirty eight yards.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
But it had nothing that he had. They had nothing
going in the passing game either, and Rogers needed something
to throw to and he was a life raft for
him in this game.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I think Johnny Smith's pissed he came here.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I think Johnny Smith should be pissed that he dropped
that first pass of the game that was right in
breadcast and he could have taken that for like sixty yards.
He had so much room to run out there. Did
you see the Dolphins want to trade Menca? Johnny Fermenka
straight up again?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
You know what? You know what?
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Be like, Hey, you know what?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Doom?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I'm not kidding. Maybe you're you're onto something. Don't you
love the tomorrow's the trade deadline?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Don't you love all the rumors? I do?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
It's I think they're gonna do anything I don't in
the offense very minor. They might bring in uh that
Valdez scanting they might sign him, not.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Trading for him, that's a signing. I don't think they're
gonna make a trade on the offensive side of the ball.
They should trade for a corner. They should try to
get into that corner market. If you definitely want to
move Ramsey to safety. Sleigh is just so cooked. I
don't want him outside.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't want him. I wouldn't give.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Hm a helmet, So go trade at four corner so
you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I was reading on one of those you know, team
by team trade deadline expectations, right, and they said that
likely to leave is Darius Slay and I just can't
believe any team would want to trade for Darius Slay.
And then they said a likely target, like we've been
hearing for weeks, is Jacoby Myers, the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
From Vegas.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I thought to myself, okay, if I could get if
I could trade Sligh and know he'd be covering Jakobe Myers,
I would definitely target Jakobe Myers in the trade market.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
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Speaker 3 (19:20):
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Forty Penguins got cracked at Winnipeg five to two one Saturday.
That ends the point streak at eight games. Brunick had
a bad game on defense minus two and some bad errors.
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He might end up back on the bus at Junior A.
He's playing his ninth game tonight when the Penguins visit Toronto,
so they'll probably decide after that. Sid scored. That's nine goal.
Sid has his scoring touch this year and his look
to do it, which is what they need. They need
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
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Speaker 1 (20:38):
So check it out tonight's stop in early to register
to win. Maybe the Penguins beat Toronto tonight and pile
onto that Blue Jays misery from the World Series. Tom,
I'm not panicked by the loss at Winnipeg. The Penguins,
like I said, do for a bad game, but two
things were wonky. Like I said, was a lot of
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two goals in the first three minutes and Brunick wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Again. What would you do with Brunick.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm worried that they're going to send him back. But
something that you've been talking about for the past week
or two is you don't want to split up these kids,
like Brunick is part of that original group, the Ogs.
You know, the energy, yeah, the enthusiasm, the locker room.
I think back to Opening Night and you started with Gino,
sid and Kindle with Brunick and Ltang as your defense pair,
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and it was just like that was such a statement
for this is the new era of Penguin's hockey with
the old era of Penguins hockey, and to let Brunick
go from that just, I don't know. It doesn't sit well.
Maybe you just keep him and you scratch him and
you load management him and you rotate him with Doomba,
but you just you keep him.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
He's been more good than bad. He just had a
rough patch lately. But yeah, I keep him and let
him work it out here. That would absolutely, one hundred
percent be my decision.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And also, if you're trying to make the playoffs now,
he is one of your best six defense. The only
thing that puts him in the bad spot is Dumba's
pretty good. And they could have Dumba with Tang and
Carlston on the right side.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
But here's a kicker.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
You send Brunick back to juniors, he can't return what
if one of the right sided guys gets.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Hurt exactly And and I just don't want to put
yourself in that box. If Brunick does just develop and
get better as the year goes on, and then he's
stuck in juniors all of a sudden and you desperately
need him even if no one gets hurt, Mark, you
just need him for that extra you know, jolt to help.
Like you said, have your best six defenseman out there
as you try to make a playoff.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
See, I wouldn't be uncomfortable with Dumba and Brunick is
my bottom pair with Doomba playing the off side.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
But boy Dan used the new coach. He hasn't lied much,
but he lied about how he wouldn't mind a righty,
righty pair.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Uh. The minute that Caleb Jones got hurt, he called
up a left Owen Pickering after one game, just one
game of a righty, righty pair.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And he's been okay right Owen Pickering, like he's not
been terrible, and you want him to be, you know,
a bottom.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
For him, because I think he's a talent. I always
feel a bit disappointed.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But he's a young kid because you what you viewed him.
You never viewed him as a top pair, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I viewed him as a solid number two guy, and
he's too young to maybe have reached his peak yet,
but I thought he'd be closer.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I still like the idea of having him and Brunick
as your bottom pair most nights and then maybe spelling
Doomba in for Brunick and maybe doom Ba in on
his off side for pickering, and you can kind of
have a rotation of those three down there.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Here's the big question for me, lineup wise, who should
play on Sid's wing while Raquel's hurt?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Because Hollander.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Ain't it that he's been there with Sid and rushed
since Raquel's injury. And that's not knocking Hollander, But I've
always seen him as maybe bottom six is too strong,
maybe middle six, but I never saw him as a
Sid wing.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
And I'm not allowed to pull Kindle off of the
third line as my answer, because that's.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What kingdle a shot, even though he's better at center
than he is wing. But past Hollander and Kindle, I'm
not sure who the other choices are. You can't pull
anybody off the market line, Brazo or Mantha. That line's working.
Plus those guys are too big and slow to play
with Sid. Who else is there? I mean Tommy Novak,
I hope not. The depth ain't there.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
And I guess we're just done with coiven In as
far as him playing with said, well, I.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Would say Coyven, but I gotta tell you, remember, I
got a little bit twitchy when they set him down
after just a couple of games, and he did rip
up Wilkes. But now since returning, he's got zero points
in four games, zero points in six games total.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He just can't get going.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Worried he might be like one of those Quad A players, right,
like he's just kind of stucked too early.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
But I do worry that he's not ready just now.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But you know what could really get him going is
skating with Sid for an extended period of time. But
I don't know if Sid wants that. You referenced that
Covenan might not have the speed to keep up with
Sid on that line.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well, see, I think he does.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I'm not sure the organization does, or for that matter,
Sid thinks that.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, And so often they just try to read And
I'm not saying they like this current organizats them, past organistions,
for past front offices for the Penguins. They always just
try to read what Sid wants and try to just
make the decision for him. Almost.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I guess Shiloff's played okay and goal at Winnipeg twenty
nine saves despite letting in the two early ones. I'm
not sure he was at fault for those didn't let
in the first shot at least Tom let in the
second one. But I don't trust the goaltending. Maybe I should,
but I don't yet.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
I don't think Shiloff's was terrible, like you said, But
what if Jari comes out in Dazzles tonight against the least,
do you start to decide about your rotation or do
you keep strong with that.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I'm rotating them through the end of this month, at
least barring one of them. Just being catastrophically bad. Catastrophically
bad would affect my decision more than being amazingly good.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Well, that's the more likely scenario too, is that one's
gonna blow up as opposed to one become Patrick Waugh.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I'm not hoping for that, but that's certainly how I
bet that's what it would go as. Yeah, yeah, so,
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Maybe I'm rotten to say that, but that's how I
feel about the goaltending. What is it about Toronto? They're
off to like a five hundred start. Marner's gone. Toronto
got good players like Matthews and Nilander, but no goaltending,
and maybe they're past their window.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
And you know what's funny.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I wondered why Toronto didn't go out and get a
better goalie. I wonder why Edmonton didn't go out and
get a better goalie. And you know why, Tom, there's
none to get. Okay, there's none to get. There is
just the shortage of good goaltending.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I think there was one to get. They could have
gotten Johnny Gibson. Yeah, because Detroit got him in. Detroit's
off to a really good start with him between.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
The boy I'm sure John's overjoyed to move from the
beach in Malibu to d Detroit.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
He's playing good hockey, though he's not a good team
though I would.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Guess that neither one reminds him of Baldwin.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
But when it comes to the Toronto Maple Leafs, like
maybe Mitch Marner was just the guy there, Like maybe
he was the one that really stirred that drink for them.
Because Matthew's only a six goals so far through twelve games.
He's not terrible, don't get me wrong, but you're Austin
Matthews man, You're supposed to have more than that.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Well, you gotta give Vegas credit because they have Aiden Hill,
a guy who won a Cup but they didn't want
to take no chances. They had the guts, the wist
and the slings and arrows of the righteous coverage of
the athletic and they signed carter Hart.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I think it's a really good move for them. Edmonton
should have got carter Hart.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Would you say that? I know that Toronto should.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Have got carter Hart.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Know what, though, the media in Toronto and as liberal
as candidate is the leaf to ride alive if they
would have got carter Hart after for those who don't know,
he was acquitted of the rape thing when he played
for World Juniors for Canada.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean that move carter Hart comes back because he'll
probably want he'll play second half of the season.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
You think we don't get me wrong, He ain't. He
ain't that good either, but he was never created in Philadelphia.
The potentials there right, Yeah, And like I said, if
I were at Toronto or Edmonton, I would have taken
a chance on that potential.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, I absolutely would have because you need to you
need somebody to just put you over the top, and
maybe he can do that. Did you say Vegas is
probably the best team in your eyes right now? The
record wise doesn't say that they only have fifteen points,
but I don't know if you if you them, Colorado
is off to a really great start too.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Colorado's not deep enough and they, you know what's funny,
as good as McKinnon and cal mccarr r Randon might
have been there. I don't want to say their best players,
but their most impactful player.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Kind of like what we were just saying about Marner
with the Leafs, like maybe he was their most impactful player.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think I think, I mean he was a playmaking wing.
I think I think he made Matthews and plus the
combination of him.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And Jack Tichl in Vegas is deadly. It is freaking deadly.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The Jets are honestly probably the best team in hockey.
But you ain't trusting the Winnipeg Jets or Hella Buck
in the net come playoff time.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I'm not trusting anybody in the league in nets.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
If you had to say to me which team is
gonna win based on having the best goaltending, I would
say none of the above.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
It's so devoid at that position. I mean, Vasileski's the
best goaltender in hockey. Maybe still not igor but they
both have fourteen points and the Rangers and the Lightning
are stuck in the moshy middle right now.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Vassie's worn out. He just old played a lot of
playoff games. Shasterkin is just on a team that ain't good.
Whatever the Rangers of the I'm gonna break up my
old line, Tom, whatever it is the New York Rangers
never had, they still haven't got.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
And if you want some blind, nutty optimism with.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
The Penguins, what if things just keep going bad for
good teams with bad goaltenders and Jari plays good up
till the trade deadline, because you do if the Penguins
are in the hunt and could get something legitimate to
help now for Jari, and you can bring up Morishov,
why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
He's got the fourth best safe percentage in hockey right now,
Tristan Jarry just slightly in front of Connor Hellibut.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's a lie you made that looking at it right now,
turn the screen.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Ninety percentage. Tristian Jarry's fourth in the NHL.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That looks like a forgery to be one oh five
to nine the X.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
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Speaker 3 (29:58):
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Speaker 1 (30:04):
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Speaker 3 (30:09):
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Speaker 1 (30:23):
Doblem On the excess time off for the trifecta, brought
to us by Danny's patrid Hogies on Route eighty eight
in Bethel Park. Gotta love Danny's Gotta go there. That's
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Speaker 3 (30:33):
Tom what do we got for today's trifector? Mark? I
got the three biggest beasts on that Steelers defense yesterday
against the Colts. That's tough to narrow downe it really is.
And I left TJ. Watt off the list because he
had the biggest play of a defensive player. But there
were guys that had, you know, more than one play.
And we're just all over the field.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
J I'm gonna hear you out, but that that seems
like a bad call.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Initially I put high Smith on the list at number three.
He was wrecking that game opposite of TJ. Watt. Two sacks,
two tackles for loss, hitting the quarterback like crazy. And
he's been under the microscope a lot about being like
why is herbing not playing over you? So he stepped
up huge as with TJ.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
It's about time, Yeah, no question about it. He's a
high paid player on that defense. Number two for me
is Joey Porter Junior. We talked about him a little
bit earlier, big pick to seal the game at the end,
which was awesome. But he was all over Pittman in
that game, very physical, making plays. Who cares about the
DPIs because he was a noticeable difference maker in that secondary.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm a big PS fan, have been since they drafted him.
Was when he was at Penn State. Heck, I saw
him play at North at Lagany, and I think his
failure here is disappointment to date here in his Steel
career is partly because they don't deploy him right. They're
so scared of those past interference penalties. Yes, they don't
have him played press man enough. He should be playing
pressman all the time. And you live with the good
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and the bad, because yesterday the good far out numbered
the bat.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And if you got to have your other corners play
more pressman or play man coverage because of that, so
be it, because it's what Porter does best. Number one
for me, though, is Peyton Wilson. He was awesome all
over the field. Fourteen total tackles. I think it was
like ten solo tackles, fourteen total tackles. Had that big
interception too, which I don't know what Danny Dimes was
looking at because Wilson was just kind of like sitting
(32:10):
there Jack. Peyton Wilson was like a true middle linebacker
should be. Was all over the place, making tackles, making
splash plays. And Patrick Queen was good, but Peyton Wilson
was the number one inside backer and if he can
kind of start to ascend to that more consistently, it's
great news for Steelers.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
You know what's great about your list, Tom, the trifecta
is all three guys have mostly been crapped this.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Year and they stepped up huge in this game. Yeah,
can they keep doing it, they need to for sure.
And with let me put it this way, with Peyton
Wilson and Joey Porter Jr. I mean, those two guys,
there's a lot on their shoulders as far as like
you need to be the next wave of Steelers defenders
because these old guys. I mean, they had a great
game against the Colts, but I'm still nervous about the
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consistency for an older defense. They need some of the
youth to step by, and Wilson and Joey Port Junior
are prime candidates for that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
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Hogies on Route eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Tom how nuts was that World Series? An entire country heartbroken?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
It was great. I hate how we always go to
this is the best World Series ever. This is the
best thing that I've ever seen. Why do we have
to do that every time?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Nineteen sixty World Series was better or more drama in
that one, And I'm glad that nobody from the Blue
jayson a walk off home run in Game seven.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
I want that to be Mas's property forever.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
That was the only thing that ruined that watching experience
to me was as it was unfolding and cool, dramatic
things are happening. I'd hop on Twitter and people would
be like, this is the best World Series I've ever
seen in the history of baseball. It's the best ever,
and it's just like, why do we have to be
so dramatic. Let's just enjoy what's happening in front of us.
I thought it was gonna end on a walk off replay,
which would have just I did it.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
For a second too.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, how about IKF should have scored on that play.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But he's you know, you know what I give ik
have credit for.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
He was getting excoriated on social media because he didn't
get a good jump to score.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
He told the truth.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
He said that the third base coach told me to
stay close because you don't want me to get doubled up.
If I don't score the series ending run. That makes
the whole nation go bonkers. And it's not my fault.
I'm saying it's not my fault.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
He's got a lot of experience throwing coaching under the
bus too, for the time with the Pirates, so he's
good at that. He said a lot of bad coaching,
He's had a lot of bad coaching as well. That's true.
Tawny pitching was such a marvel to start that game too,
didn't do so good, But Yamamoto, I mean.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Stole the spot likely and him in Glass now pitched
ok too, last.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Pitch ok, but on back to back days you have.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But Glass only threw three pitches the night before, so
throw in the nineties the night before, and then to
come out and throw a couple innings on top of
that and get out of jams. I thought it was
a very deserving World Series MVP and.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
His arm didn't fall off. Maybe it's a miracle. That's
food for thought moving forward. You know what else I
hated about the World Series, like people immediately presented and
I'll talk more about this at length later that oh,
the Dodgers bought a World Series. Well, the Dodgers did
have the highest payroll in baseball at three hundred and
fifty million. Toronto had the seventh highest payroll at two
(35:03):
hundred and fifty five million. But they were presented as
poverty underdogs.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Right, and they took the Dodgers to the death. Honestly
should have won that game. Mark like the Blue Jays, miss.
I think several opportunities, And I'm saying the.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Better team lost, but I thought Toronto should have won
that game.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The better team in that game, I think did end
up losing because they had just so many opportunities that
they weren't able to capitalize on. So, yeah, it's weird
to paint it like that, like, oh, great, Goliath just
stepped on David again, like it was as tight as
it could possibly be. And then like you said, Toronto's
a huge market and they paid a ton of money
as well, Oh.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
You know what, you know what else? I I just
kind of rolled my eyes at that afterwards. You know,
a lot of local people. I give Noah House credit
because he went against the grain talking about this on Twitter,
but people were saying baseball's broken. Baseball's not broken. Baseball's
exactly as MLB wants it to be. The World Series
was the number two market in the country against an
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entire nation. Okay, the only way it could have been
a bigger deal is if a New York team was involved.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
If the Yankees were playing the Dodgers again, right, if the.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yankees were playing the Dodgers and playing Toronto, Let's make
it a three way dance.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Baseball's perfect Baseball is exactly where baseball wants to be,
and it's exactly where the owners, like Bob Nutting wanted
to be too. They don't want this cap nonsense. They
don't want to have to The.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Small market owners don't want to want to pay to
the floor. The big market owners do want to cost
certainty though. It's gonna be the weirdest CBA battle when
it expires after next season, and it's gonna be the
reverse that the rich guys want the cap, the poor guys.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Don't, and then once they come out of it after
a locked out season, Paul Skeen saves the sport by
being a New York Yankee and leading them to glory.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
The only thing better than that World Series would be
baseball locked out for a real long time.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
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