December 22, 2025 • 33 mins
Mark and Tommy Radio talk about the Steelers big win over the Lions, and Sid's milestone night
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Mark Madden Show. By the way, Sid
and Mario, Sid and Mario, and I've witnessed it all
up close. I am a lucky boy. You can follow
me on Twitter at Mark Madden x. The Steelers running
game was explosive. Duh Warren with a couple of forty
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five yard touchdown runs. Gainwell with a forty five yard
touchdown reception. Three touchdowns by the backs of exactly forty
five yards. Gainwell keeps being a factor and made that insane.
That touchdown reception he was on the ground. I thought
at first it was a short hop, but it hit
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his hand on the ground and he got up and
just ran it in the dbat like didn't know what
was going on. Here's what's going on. You just got
fried for a touchdown, feeling with four catches, which is bizarre.
He's thirty five and he just got here. Rogers was
very good. They didn't miss what at all at all.
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Sawyer with five tackles, my guy, the modern day Warrior.
It was some game, very entertaining, and like I said,
the refs got the calls right. But how often do
you get all the calls on a given day, And
it's why you won yesterday and why you wanted Baltimore.
Maybe the Steelers are a team of destiny and now
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you've won three straight and yeah, go ahead and went
out like I've been preaching and hoping and commanding them
to do. I got to talk Sid, congratulations to him.
I'm pissed I couldn't be there. I was doing a
Steeler watch party. How dare he pass Mario on a
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rare occasion when I couldn't be there? But I'm so
glad he passed Mario in a victory that they broke
the eight game losing by beating Montreal in a shootout.
Sid would have been really pissed. Had he broken the
record on a day they lost a ninth straight game,
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he'd have really hated it. Sid, Mario, Yogurt, Malkin, they
all played there. It's a Champagne franchise and it transcends
Original six. We talk about Original six. Penguins are a
bigger deal than the Rangers, bigger deal than Detroit. Well,
Detroit had that run with Lidstrom. Boston pops up occasionally
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the Blackhawks. They had that one of three Cups Montreal Toronto.
When's the last time they won Penguins are a Champagne franchise,
and the Pirates think got nobody since Brandon Lale last week.
We didn't get the Japanese guy the Chicago White Sox did. Hey,
Pittsburgh can't even keep in the comma open. How are
we gonna get a Japanese guy now? The DK thing,
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he's a total idiot. You can't punch a fan, no
matter what, No matter what he said, I guess Ocho
Cinco said he texted DK and that DK said the
guy used the N word. I don't believe that for
a second, that Ocho Cinco even texted DK. But what's
DK even doing over there anyway? I've not heard an explanation,
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but there simply can't be a good one. There can't be.
You gotta be a pro. You can't slug a fan
for heck's sake. I wasn't surprised when Ocho Cenko said
what he said, and I bet DK says it too.
I'm gonna use the Miles Garrett Miles Garrett En word defense,
but I got a question. Nobody believed Garrett when he
said it. How come you believe our black guy and
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not their black guy. You know what the answer is
he's our black guy. You want it to be true.
I don't believe Mason Rudolph said it. I don't believe
this fan said it. So you got uh dky punched
the fan and dropping balls and committing OPI DK is
a waste of money. I bet he gets a one
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game suspension, and I bet the only reason he's getting
that is cause the Steelers have pretty much wrapped up
the AFC North. If it was a competitive situation where
the Steelers had to win both games at the end
to whin the AFC North, I bet DK would just
get a fine because the NFL does not like to
suspend in situations that affect competitive balance. And then he
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got hy a black flipping off the Detroit sideline and
it all reflects directly and poorly on Mike Tomlin. And
I know we're celebrating yankin Cranken. Don't wake up and
thank me about Tomlin having another non losing season. I'm
more concerned about him being not in control of his players,
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him not holding players accountable and being two buddy buddy,
like when Ramsey got ejected against Cincinnati for punching Jamar Chase.
Tomlin was in Ramsey's corner. Tom Win should have benched
k Hey yesterday after he found out what happened, should
have bench dk should have benched ye Black, But it
don't matter because Tomlin wants to be their friend. There's
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a few other things I think play into it that
I'm just not going to discuss. The Steelers under Tomlin
don't have enough discipline and do not have enough class.
Are the Steelers legits? That's the big question today. Can
the Steelers win a playoff game? I'm not sure. I
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think there's a chance. There's no denying three straight wins
and you got to win a playoff game. All this
good that's going on that you're excited about, it's all
a useless bag of excrement if they don't win a
playoff game. Rogers is the catalyst period. Whoever second on
the Steelers in that regard is quite a distance behind him.
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What a show is going to be today? It's the
last show until Friday, Well, actually tomorrow we'll have a
brief a Hockey night show day show because the Penguins
and Leafs play at four pm. Here are all the
action right here on one O five to nine. The
X and come watch the game with me at Dino's
and Latrobe the fourth day of my Penguins residency at
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that very popular spot. Great wings, great popcorn, great everything.
Uh hey, praise Jeebus for getting us out of work.
Plays the Penguins, Well the Leafs really for scheduling a
four o'clock game. God bless us. Everyone gonna talk to
Tommy Radio next one oh five to nine. The Steelers
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as an organization should be embarrassed by the DK Metcalf
then punching a fan going over to the stands to
do so. But they're not. Tom went to kind comment
because he said he didn't see it. I guarantee he
knew about it. Tom Win should have benched Metcalf when
he found out. The NFL should have kicked Metcalf out
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at halftime. I know technically the ref have to see it,
but punching a fan transcends that. But you gotta forgive
coach t because he's never had a losing season. What
a fun game, What a fun football game. I was
at celebrations in Imperial, big crowd, roucous crowd, and the
Steelers due definitely have something going. I'm just not sure
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how much or what it leads to how about when
bos missed the field goal thirty seven yards joint off
the operating indoors. How's he missed that kick indoors? It
felt like a death sense. But again, lately, everything goes
right for the Steelers, even when it goes wrong. Let's
talk to Tommy Radio. Tom. I feel like the ref's
got the calls right on Detroit's last drive. What say you, Yeah?
(07:42):
I think they did get the calls right.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think they just botched completely the way they explained
the final play of the game. You know you said
it in the open today, getting the crowd pop going
by ruling it a touchdown and then having to pump
the brakes on it. It was weird. It was like
they were messing with them, so they botched that. But
other than that, I had no with the refs. As
you've pointed out, though it is a lucky streak the
Steelers are on of getting yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, and the OPI, which is epidemic in the league,
and it's always been committed, it's just now being called.
Like I said, I think somebody sent out a memo
and yesterday's game was very much affected by that. On
both sides of the ball. I felt like that play
was dead anyway on that lateral to GoF that that
they said was a touchdown on the field, I feel
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that Saint Bron had been essentially tackled, like his forward
progress had been halted sufficiently more than sufficiently.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I mean he got blown back like what two
or three yards by Ramsey and I think it was
Porter who was rallying to the ball to I could
be mistaken on who else it was, but I know
it was definitely Ramsey.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It was weird to me that they acted like that
play was a continuation and that if there wasn't a
pass interference penalty, the Lions would have gotten into the
end zone for almost a walk off touchdown with Jared
Goff catching that lateral would have been an amazing play.
Then you go to review that. That's tough review if
you like imaginum.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Reception got called back, which it should have. That was
a trapped catch by Franco. Like I said earlier, I
bet the refs were trying to figure out if the
game should end on that play, which it obviously can't.
You could end the game on an offensive penalty, but
not defensively. What's your play the game talk because Warren
died those two long touchdown runs, but the game well,
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touchdown catch on the ground, he gets up in scores.
That turned the game totally around, and thank god did
it happened because it opened the game up.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The game was crap till that, Yeah, no question, that
is the play of the game. Probably play the season
for the Steelers, maybe up there for the play of
the year. As far as the NFL in general is concerned,
it was truly amazing. Can I throw a sneaky contender
at you, though, the Kyle Dugger safety, because when Darnell
Washington fumbled at the nine, I thought, oh crap, what
a great drive that just got undone to open the
second half. Now the lines are gonna go take control
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of this football game. And then Dugger comes up with
that big play on third down.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
There is Gainwell, for real, he's on some run, isn't he.
I think he is? For real?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He isn't in the class of like a Christian McCaffrey
or even a Jamier Gibbs, where they're just as deadly
as a receiver as they are a running back. But
he's like in the tier below those guys. As far
as that type of running back is. His ability in
the pass catching game is so impressive. I know that
that's seventy eight yards was kind of inflated by the
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forty five yard amazing play, but still leading the team
in receptions for a second week in a row and
being effective as he is in doing so. That is
the player that if you were going to look for
a runner up as far as team MVP or catalyst,
it might be him.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Would you bring him back? And how long?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
How much I'd offer him? Probably what two years? God,
it's a running back, so it's tough to really pay them.
It would probably take what like three point five a year,
four a year.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I hesitate to give him even that. Well, he's a
career backup. I mean this might be a fluke. In fact,
no doubt, no doubt, it could be a fluke.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
His ability in the pass catching game, though, I bet
his agent's gonna come to the table with that and say,
I need more money there because I'm not just a
threat in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The old line deserves lots of credit. The running game,
as we've discussed, is very good. The lines only got
two sacks despite you know, no Siamalu Roderck Jones obviously
still out both by Hutchison. The legend of Dylan Cook
continues to grow.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I suppose it's amazing how good he's been, and you
know it's it's people that know a lot better, right,
like the trey Essexes of the world. The Max Starks
on the broadcasts that are, like, this guy's unbelievable. He's
not missing a step really at all. And one thing
that Max pointed out last night, Mark that's so impressive
is they do that musical chairs thing right without Siemali
when they do the jumbo package where they bump Anderson
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out from guard to do his jumbo spot and then
they put Pete in there. And that's a lot to
put on Cook's plate. But he didn't bother at all.
He didn't blink at all. I still think that's a
little too much to do. That's overthinking things there.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
In the fourth quarter, Detroit kept almost catching up. Were
the Steelers trading points for time and started doing that
too early and very nearly blew it. The defense got
very soft, laid back a great deal.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The defense just fades in all games in the fourth quarter.
That's a very you know, trendy thing with them is
that as the games go on, the defense seems to wear.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That not necessarily trendy, they're they're old. I think that's
the part of what happens, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And this hasn't been the case in the previous two
weeks because the Steelers have actually dominated time with possession.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But they're just on the field forever.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I mean that stat that Jerry through out there where
they've played almost three more games than the offense, Like
that's going to lead to the old timers fading, especially
in fourth quarters. I also think there's a little bit
to this where the Lions have a really good offense,
like it's hard to hold them down completely for sixty minutes,
but the Steelers did get very passive on defense. It
was easier for them. Yes, the pass rush was incredible
though for not having her big watch.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh I mean, did they miss Wad at all? No,
I don't think so. I mean, yesterday's game shows they
shouted to given him that extension, coupled with him being
you know, mediocre this year and last. And what's so
weird is like they oocre by the standard of somebody
getting forty one million per year.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
As a franchise. They This is probably purely accidentally. They
didn't do this on purpose, obviously, but they positioned themselves
well to not give what that contract and then maybe
eventually move on from him with her BIG's emergence and
a good draft pick there. He is too much high
Smith playing well, and Sawyer was amazing yesterdays that he
could have had. I thought he blew by them. So
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they positioned themselves to say, hey, you know what, we're
not gonna give you that contract.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
We'll reevaluate after this year.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And then they obviously wouldn't if that same year played out,
but then they just gave him the money.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Anyway. It's very weird. Now. The offense did good, but
I still hate the offense, feeling barely. They are thirty
five years old, four catches, and now he's a featured receiver,
and I know that's because that's what Rogers wants. And
I hear people on on the radio today saying this
team can beat anybody into playoffs, not with Adam Field
as the number two receiver. But then again, I mean,
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would Calvin Austin be in? I mean, I just don't
like the offense.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's where I'm at right there with the last thing
that you were saying, because you were thinking, yeah, Cleeland
can't be your number two option. It wouldn't work in
the playoffs. But then you say, okay, who else Calvin
Austin is going to start to work in there?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Continue reliance on the fat kid and who did not
play well yesterday? Right, and you know, not using Friarmouth
and John who except for token, you know, targets. I
just take the offense, and I don't believe in the.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Offense everything that Washington does quite frankly, pat Fryarmuth can do.
I mean, sure Darnell blows up people and runs him over.
Maybe Farmuth wouldn't do that, but he's still you know,
stiff arm a guy break a tackle.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
He'd be faster than Darnell Washington obviously.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And again Darnell fumbled at nine yard line and was
out of place in a different couple of plays.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I thought he had a really bad afternoon. Uh what's
your take on metcalf and Black? I feel it makes
the organization and tom Win look bad and undisciplined, and
I don't think anybody cares but me.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think Black should give Metcalf a pretty nice Christmas
gift because people are kind of glossing over that part
of what happened. The burg caught on a TV broadcast
doing that because of Metcalf's actions with Metcalf.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It just boils down to you can't go over there.
You can't do that, like, no.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Matter what the fans said and all the speculation, And
that's what I'm kind of sick of. Its Like, it's
not he said. She said, saying, oh, did he have
a racial slur involved or not? And he's saying he didn't.
He said he did, And we're just debating this stuff
when it just boils down to why was DK Metcalf
what ten to fifteen yards away from the bench straying
over to the stands.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's unacception. I don't care that he had a history
with the guy. No, we're told this guy's a loser
with blue hair. I mean, what does d K care
about that guy? I heard he called him by his
full name, you know, called his mother and name the
N word. Dependent on who you believe in, I don't
believe any of it. Okay, say it's all true, though,
who cares anyway? Again, why are you going over there?
Why are children you're a Steeler, it's assault and it
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just looks bad. You have to take the high road
in that situation. Have you noticed that the whole time's backing.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Him because they think the fans are racist, because I
think they believe into that or fan assaulted him.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We think three Miles Garrett. I don't think Mason Rudolph
did that though out there this guy didn't. Sure. I mean,
it's it's it's we're gonna believe our black guy, but
not they're black guy. That's exactly what this is. In
a very roundabout way. It's racist.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And I'll tell you what, really, I just don't buy
at all this whole excuse of, well, the refs didn't
see it, so we can't eject him from the game.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Of course, you get the refs barely watch the game.
They always huddle and have New York make all the
penalty calls for them. Anyway, I forget, I forget what
the reference was. But I talked to Jean Sterretor about
about a call that it could have come like way
after the fact, and I said, well, you can't do that,
and Jeane said, it's the NFL. They can do anything
they want.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And that ever since you've had that conversation. I don't
know when that was, but it's played out that way.
Mark New York officiates these games. The refs on the
field are just drones, just mouthpieces for whatever their earpiece says.
They should let actual drones ref the game that's probably coming.
It's like, you know, have them fly over like remember
we were we were pioneers with that on this show.
I don't know it was when you produced or not,
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but we had the NFL head replay official on Oh God,
I forget his name, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Randall teev oh okay, and he talked about having like
like kind of a Zeppelin type thing hovering over the
field to make calls. Really, yeah, that's pretty cool idea.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Actually his name was TiVo, the guy who was the
replay yea coincidence.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Uh up, Next, we're gonna talk about uh sid passing
Mario in the Penguins finally winning a game. Uh. The
first hour of the show brought to us by Shandorovich,
Shandrovitch and Fishman. They've Got Your Back, Not Your Wallet
one O five to nine, Naughty four point five three
WS Pittsburgh's Christmas Music Sidney Crosby now the Penguins all
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time leading score, getting two points yesterday to pass Mario Lemux.
Mary Lemue not there, but had a great video message
that the crowd was stone cold silent to listen. It
was like the Pope was up during the Jumbo tronen.
As far as the Penguins are concerned, he was so
just a great moment, Sid passing Mario. Uh, I'm gonna
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talk to Tommy Radio tom Sid took four hundred and seventy
two more games to top Mario and points. We know
that because Sid keeps telling us he broke the record,
but took great pains to keep the spotlight on Mario.
A pure class by Sid.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's just the textbook Sidney Crosby way of dealing with
something like this. And you've said so many times and
in dealing with him, he hates this kind of stuff,
just wants to move past it as fast as he can.
But this one is truly a great milestone, you know,
like some of the other milestones that pop up around him, Yeah,
they're cool, they're kind of like Easter eggy type things.
But this is a big, big deal franchise leader in
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points and a franchise like this and passing a player
like that and their relationship personally, it's fantastic, right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You make a good point about it for a franchise
like this. I have mentioned that frequently that nobody cares
who the leading score for Carolina is or you know, Nashville,
any number of franchises, even like some of the Expansion
original expansion teams like Saint Louis, I don't even know
who their leading score is, and I bet it's nobody
very significant. Maybe Brett Hull from when I don't know.
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I just don't know was the point. How about the
Canadian writer right away? He wrote, Sid's done all he
can for Pittsburgh. Now he needs to be traded to
a team in Canada. Give it a rest for a day,
for heck's sake. Yeah, read the room.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I mean Canadian guy though, right, wasn't a sports trying
to force feed that into happening.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
They're trying to rumor it into reality. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Absolutely, And you know what, you're never gonna quit that.
I understand that you've just decided that that's what you
guys are gonna do up there.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Fine, but for one night, give it a rest. I'm
not even rolling out that he does go someho but
read the room. I hope, I hope it's better than
the teams in Canada if he if he switches, like
people talk about him going to Montreal, Montreal offers no guarantees.
They're an okay team and they're a young team. But
but again, if if Sid wanted a young team on
the rise, maybe the Penguins can yet become that, especially
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if they draft McKenna like like this slump dictates they might.
I mean, eight straight losses until the win over Montreal,
I mean, who knows where they're gonna pick now, Sid
broke uh Mario's mark based on consistency, Tom, He's a
top five player all time based on consistency. He's like
a metronome. He's just inevitable.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, And that's why that consistency is why he's aged
so gracefully, and he's still a top player in this
league at this age, and he doesn't seem to be
slowing down at all.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And the consistency is rought from conditioning and knowing textbook
how to play the game, what to do in every
single situation.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean, when he tied Limu last night, it was
his twentieth goal of the season at his age, so
he's remarkable. He's going to go past thirty goals this year,
and that consistency is also why I strongly believe he
will pass Yager and he will for bee a two
thousand points scorer.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I don't know I thought about this. I don't know
if he's going to get to two thousand points, which
would require like a minimum of three more seasons, we
might be overestimating his future tenure how much longer he
plays tom even though physically I think he could play
till he'st forty five, I'm just not sure how long
he's gonna want to in part two if the Penguins
rebuilding process doesn't accelerate.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, I understand that for sure, But I also just
feel like he doesn't want to do anything else right,
but then to go out there and play a hockey game.
Like I just don't think he as long as he
will physically be able to. I think there's a chance
that he'll stay in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Might want to be a father. He has pointedly put
that off till after he's done playing.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Very fair, if he does want to open up the
next chapter in his life, hey, all more power to him.
I just I just wonder if he'd be ready for
that right now? Who am I to say?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Though? No, no, who am I to say? But this
is a long you know, time to fill on the
radio every day. Sit and Mario. I'm so happy and
I feel privileged that I've seen all of it up close.
But they're just so different. Mario was an alien. He
just did I mean, how do you do that? Like,
you know, time after time, year after year, and he
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was three different players. Like after the back injury, he
lost a bit of the shaken bake, but he figured
out even pure offensive skills. Then after the comeback, he
just knew how to get points. He knew how to
set up, he knew where to be. He was just
a big time hockey IQ guy. Sid's been the same
player's whole career And that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I like how you put it that Lemieu was like
an alien, because he really was just like a monstrous
figure out there on the ice. Like that's another big
difference between the two of them. Just like the size
that Lemieux was able to play at that speed and
skill with was just something that you'd never see before.
I mean, you said it'll be the first to tell
you too, like lem You is the better player. I mean,
there's no doubt about it. And he keeps hammering that
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home as you keep pointing out with telling everybody it
took me almost five hundred more games to do this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's just Sid being Sid, Sid being
pure class for a and all time great player, be
the Penguins patriarch, and be a former teammate and see
a former teammate and a very close friend. I'm relieved
is a good word that the Penguins won when Sid
past Mario, because it would have diminished the accomplishment the
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moment to him greatly that they.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Lost Mark, especially if they lost the way that game
played out right like he had past Lemieu. The Penguins
go up two to one, then then they blow another
lead right then it goes to the shootout. Then they
lose in the shootout for the sixth time this year,
and she Lofts is the goalie again, Like it would
have just been disaster.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
He would have been depressed at the locker. You got
a sub she loss out. That's kind of kind of
going off the conversation right now. But he opened his
legs all three times to the five one they just
happened to hit his pad twice.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
He did not win the shootout. Montreal lost this. They missed,
the shooters just missed. Yeah, he's awful at it, but
it would have really ruined the night for him. Like
I said, he would have been gloomy at the locker
having that night happened, and big about this.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Think about this Sid's mood at the end of the
night in which he achieved one of his biggest accomplishments
was put in the hands of art tors Shiloffs. I
also think that that had to be one of the first.
It probably not, but the given a mental patient a
machine gun.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Nine game losing streaks, Sid's probably faced or one of
the very few that he's been a part of in
his career.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, I would think eight was tops man. Exactly where's
Bob Grove when you need him?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Now, I will say, and this is no knock. Sid
slowed a bit lately. He accelerated again yesterday, but but
he had zero points in three out of four games
before yesterday. Then again, when you get shut out for
both games of the Dad's trip, nobody gets points. But
but uh, that's gonna happen the occasional slow spell, not
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bad spell. Slow spell is gonna happen when you're thirty five,
excuse me thirty eight. But I hasten to point out
when Wayne Gretzky was thirty eight, he got nine goals
the whole season, and Sid already has twenty. Yeah, he
already has twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It is also amazing, Mark, Like, you're right, he was
slowing down a little bit production wise, still playing fantastic
for his age, but he gets close to that point
per game thing, right, like in that amazing streak that
he has there too, and then he explodes past it
last night by having a three point game. Now he's
got thirty seven and thirty five games, like, he will
just always average a point per game, and until he doesn't,
I'll continue to believe he'll do so.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Would it surprise you if the year he quit would
be the year after he does get a point per game? No,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
How much he puts into these kind of streaks and stats,
but I think you know.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I'm not talking about about a streak or a stat
I'm talking about a barometer.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
If he's consistent, he'll say, Okay, I've dipped too far.
Yea and now it's time to walk away before it gets.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Because even though he's not a stat guy, there has
to be some barometer.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And you've always said you don't think he plays bottom six.
He never adjusts to that role.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He's always a trot Trotz was a different type of player,
different type of cats. Now, to be fair, Sid could
be Trotz and he'd be a fantastic Trotz, but he's
just not gonna do that. I wonder what his role
is going to be on Team Canada.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Do you think he'll put him on the wing. No, No,
he'll play center. Yes, I wonder Nate Dog on his wing.
I wonder third line center. Is he on the first
power play?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I would probably assume that he'll be on second center
with Nate Dog on his wing.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You know what I'd be tempted to do. He's not
in a power play. Use him at long last the
penalty kill and he's never done it, but I know
he'd be one of the best ever at the p K,
and he'd be willing to do it for Team Canada
right wanting to do it for the Penguins, be willing
to do it. I don't think there's much Sid would
would say no to up next more stillar talk, we
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got the trifecta. We got Peter McGuire later, we got
Matt Williamson. Later. It's The mark Man Show one oh
five to nine from the one oh five nine the
ex Weather Center. On Okay, Tom, we have some news.
The blue haired guy that DK punch has lawyered up
and issued a statement. Do you think he called Shandorovic,
(26:31):
Schendrovic and Fisherman they do sponsor the first hour of
the show, you know, Or do you think he called Saul.
I don't think he called either of them.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So I think he's going to be charged forty percent,
which is just a crime, as you know, because cender Ovitch,
Cendrorovic and Fisherman only charged twenty five percent. Yeah, that's
what I hear. Anyway, what did the statement say? So,
I guess this guy's name is Ryan Kennedy. He lawyered
up and he categorically denies using the N word, the
C word, or any racial, misogynistic or hate based slur
during the incident. He released the statement because he's been
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getting a ton of threats, harassment, and ISOLT messages because
of what Ocho Cinco accused him of saying on that podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I heard most of those threats were made by Kabali,
But but I can't confue this Lions fan. Yes, uh so,
I mean I would think if he did anything that
Ocho Cinco talked about, you know where he texted, And
I don't believe he talked to Dank or texted. I
think a dope like Kim plays very fast and loose
with the truth because he's not real media, never got
(27:26):
trained in it. But but if he did indeed do
any of the things Thatcho, Cinko or metcf or whoever
accuses him of, it's easily verified. There were a whole
bunch of people right behind him. Yeah, that's kind of
where I land on it too.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's kind of the same thing we said with the
Mason Rudolph thing, right Like we just kind of used
context clues and we're like, if he said what Garrett
accused him of, other players on the field, maybe even
some Steelers teammates would have gone nuts in that situation.
Same thing kind of applies here, right Like, just people
sitting around him in the stands of security guard like
people wouldn't have just let that go let that fly
if he's hurling these insults, if he's like Alan Tutick
(28:02):
Steve the Pirate in the movie forty two to DK Metcalf,
like the.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Crowd's not going to allow that to happen. Yeah, well,
I mean maybe. I mean, well they did it in
forty two. That was a different time, I mean, right, right,
But yeah, I just think DK Metcalf was one thousand
in the wrong. Yes, Okay, what's the trifecta? Tom brought
to us by Danny's Petron Hogy's in Bethel Park.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's very fitting because this trifecta is athletes fighting fans.
I've got a trifecta of instances when that happened. Number three,
I'm gonna go with Tie doming when he fought that
Philadelphia Flyers fan that fell into the.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Penalty He didn't really fight him the guy. He licked
him up a little bit. He kind of just kind
of roughed them like he didn't haul off and belled
him though.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
But here's the difference between that in this situation and
a couple of others on this list. The fan fell
into the penalty box. There you went into the lions.
Then there same thing with the Browns fan that ran
onto the field and Harrison suplexed him, like you're on
the field.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's a different story at that point. Well, I'm a
big tie domeie guy friend of the show, so I'm
on his side this one. What else, it's a Flyer
fan too, he deserved it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Bruins and Mike Milberry going into the crowd against the
New York Ranger fans and Milbury taking the shoe off
and hitting the fans, hit the guy with the shoe.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That was tremendous. That that was pretty good. But the
number one that happened not often back then, but you
would see like like the Hanson brothers, remember they went
the stands, No, it's that guy over there. Uh Like
that was based on that happening happening in real life. Yeah,
not often, but but but not never either.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well, the number one instance is this still has to
be the Malice at the Palace with Ron Artests going
into the crowd chasing that Detroit Piston fan who ended
up being the wrong fan who didn't throw the cup
at him and that's what started him charging at him.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
As with the hands that guy Jeff exactly. So what
an insane thing.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That That was when Ron Artest went into the crowd
in Detroit too, just like DK's incident.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now, I know one you don't know about, so I'm
gonna throw it in there. Yeah. Eric Cantona who played
for Manchester United the French national team. A fan was
heckling him. He ran to the barrier and kung fu
kicked the guy in the head, got drop cake yep,
like yeah, and got suspended for a year for a
year year Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, Like that shouldn't be off the table completely here
in this situation, I.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Would suspend DK METCP for the entirety of the season
and the playoffs. He did basically the same thing that
United players did. Actually, you know, you know what I do.
I would suspend him indefinitely with a reinstatement subject to
him applying after the season, including the playoffs. Like, but
you know, they're just not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
They're just not I think they might set him for
at least this Cleveland game.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, but that's nothing. It's not even a meaningful game.
And I still maintain if the Cleveland game meant more
than it has turned out. Two, what was Baltimore losing yesterday.
That very likely to just get a fine Tom. What
happened to Baltimore? That's a good question. I thought they
had the best roster in the league before the season started.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You know, It's it's weird because on one hand, I
think Derek Henry keeps fumbling a little too much and
that's hurting them. But on the other hand, he's still
such an amazing running back for Harbaugh to just bail
on him as quickly as he does. I I just
think the team is plagued by a lot of things.
The Steelers are plagued with. Honestly, they need to shake up.
They need to change their head coach. It's just too
stale though right now, and they're wasting a franchise quarterback
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in their staleness.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, I think that's definitely true. Then again, I'm not sure.
I mean, Lamar's hurt a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, this year in particular too. You know, how about
Drake May fantastic?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Is he the MVP? Stafford's really good too. It's a
tight race. I'd give it to May because he's elevated
his team more. I think I still think Josh Allen's
the best player in football, though, I do, but that's
a different it is discussion. I mean there's no award,
is there? There is offensive player over the year, but
then become the running back award? That's right.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, absolutely, Drake May if he put it this way,
if he wins MVP, I'm not outraged by it. I
think he's put up a fantastic season. It was funny
to see that last night was his first three hundred
yard passing.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Game of his career. It took him a little while
to do that. Yeah, but he's you know what. You
know what's funny too. He was after the game on
the field doing the post game and he is just
such a awe shucks. Thank god. Where's he from. I
don't know where he's from. He went to North Carolina,
a bit of a Southern twang that makes sense, you know,
and just you know, like given credit to his teammates. Yeah,
(32:10):
and like Stefan Diggs, another guy, we're right out there
and they're kind of looking at him while he was talking.
Check out this guy, Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Like Stefan Diggs is a bit of a wild boy,
but you could tell he has the respect of Drake
May right now. And he's from North Carolina two Huntersville,
North Carolina. When they asked Stephan Diggs after the game,
where can this team go? Like what's the ceiling? Digs
kind of just like pointed at May and May was
just like, we're just gonna win next week. And then
they just walked off the field. I mean, he's got
the command of that.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And by the way, that is why athlete interviews on
the field are useless because nothing interesting ever gets said,
like maybe one time out of one hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like they never say we're gonna win the super Bowl.
Guarantee it right now, book it on this field right now. Yeah,
it's always just praise be to Jeebus. Always it's that.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I know tis the season and we just want
to win next week and we're happy to win today
and I had a lot of help from my teammates
and yacht. Yeah, it's just milk toone. And don't get
me wrong, I don't expect them to say anymore. I'm
just pretty much referring to the frivolity of even doing
it at all.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Are you surprised at all that there's not more players
that kind of buck that trend though, and show a
little more personality in those postgame interviews, because it seems
like it's all Vanella Now.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I think if they had time to think more, they
might show more more personality. I just think they're trying
to not say anything grievously stupid, getting a micro shown
shoved in their face immediately after the game ends. When
when emotions? I mean, in that case they won, But
you know what I mean, No, I think you're spot
on there. I think what's even stupid is interviewing the
coaches going on and off the field at halftime time,
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going into the locker room. What went wrong? Coach? What
are you gonna change? Hey, guess what I got? Next time?
We're gonna be excited, So I have to guess. Yes,
I have no idea where I'd even start bun Ko
Talk one five, nine. It's so wooty.
This is the Mark Madden Show. By the way, Sid
and Mario, Sid and Mario, and I've witnessed it all
up close. I am a lucky boy. You can follow
me on Twitter at Mark Madden x. The Steelers running
game was explosive. Duh Warren with a couple of forty
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five yard touchdown runs. Gainwell with a forty five yard
touchdown reception. Three touchdowns by the backs of exactly forty
five yards. Gainwell keeps being a factor and made that insane.
That touchdown reception he was on the ground. I thought
at first it was a short hop, but it hit
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his hand on the ground and he got up and
just ran it in the dbat like didn't know what
was going on. Here's what's going on. You just got
fried for a touchdown, feeling with four catches, which is bizarre.
He's thirty five and he just got here. Rogers was
very good. They didn't miss what at all at all.
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Sawyer with five tackles, my guy, the modern day Warrior.
It was some game, very entertaining, and like I said,
the refs got the calls right. But how often do
you get all the calls on a given day, And
it's why you won yesterday and why you wanted Baltimore.
Maybe the Steelers are a team of destiny and now
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you've won three straight and yeah, go ahead and went
out like I've been preaching and hoping and commanding them
to do. I got to talk Sid, congratulations to him.
I'm pissed I couldn't be there. I was doing a
Steeler watch party. How dare he pass Mario on a
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rare occasion when I couldn't be there? But I'm so
glad he passed Mario in a victory that they broke
the eight game losing by beating Montreal in a shootout.
Sid would have been really pissed. Had he broken the
record on a day they lost a ninth straight game,
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he'd have really hated it. Sid, Mario, Yogurt, Malkin, they
all played there. It's a Champagne franchise and it transcends
Original six. We talk about Original six. Penguins are a
bigger deal than the Rangers, bigger deal than Detroit. Well,
Detroit had that run with Lidstrom. Boston pops up occasionally
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the Blackhawks. They had that one of three Cups Montreal Toronto.
When's the last time they won Penguins are a Champagne franchise,
and the Pirates think got nobody since Brandon Lale last week.
We didn't get the Japanese guy the Chicago White Sox did. Hey,
Pittsburgh can't even keep in the comma open. How are
we gonna get a Japanese guy now? The DK thing,
(03:01):
he's a total idiot. You can't punch a fan, no
matter what, No matter what he said, I guess Ocho
Cinco said he texted DK and that DK said the
guy used the N word. I don't believe that for
a second, that Ocho Cinco even texted DK. But what's
DK even doing over there anyway? I've not heard an explanation,
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but there simply can't be a good one. There can't be.
You gotta be a pro. You can't slug a fan
for heck's sake. I wasn't surprised when Ocho Cenko said
what he said, and I bet DK says it too.
I'm gonna use the Miles Garrett Miles Garrett En word defense,
but I got a question. Nobody believed Garrett when he
said it. How come you believe our black guy and
(03:47):
not their black guy. You know what the answer is
he's our black guy. You want it to be true.
I don't believe Mason Rudolph said it. I don't believe
this fan said it. So you got uh dky punched
the fan and dropping balls and committing OPI DK is
a waste of money. I bet he gets a one
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game suspension, and I bet the only reason he's getting
that is cause the Steelers have pretty much wrapped up
the AFC North. If it was a competitive situation where
the Steelers had to win both games at the end
to whin the AFC North, I bet DK would just
get a fine because the NFL does not like to
suspend in situations that affect competitive balance. And then he
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got hy a black flipping off the Detroit sideline and
it all reflects directly and poorly on Mike Tomlin. And
I know we're celebrating yankin Cranken. Don't wake up and
thank me about Tomlin having another non losing season. I'm
more concerned about him being not in control of his players,
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him not holding players accountable and being two buddy buddy,
like when Ramsey got ejected against Cincinnati for punching Jamar Chase.
Tomlin was in Ramsey's corner. Tom Win should have benched
k Hey yesterday after he found out what happened, should
have bench dk should have benched ye Black, But it
don't matter because Tomlin wants to be their friend. There's
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a few other things I think play into it that
I'm just not going to discuss. The Steelers under Tomlin
don't have enough discipline and do not have enough class.
Are the Steelers legits? That's the big question today. Can
the Steelers win a playoff game? I'm not sure. I
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think there's a chance. There's no denying three straight wins
and you got to win a playoff game. All this
good that's going on that you're excited about, it's all
a useless bag of excrement if they don't win a
playoff game. Rogers is the catalyst period. Whoever second on
the Steelers in that regard is quite a distance behind him.
(05:51):
What a show is going to be today? It's the
last show until Friday, Well, actually tomorrow we'll have a
brief a Hockey night show day show because the Penguins
and Leafs play at four pm. Here are all the
action right here on one O five to nine. The
X and come watch the game with me at Dino's
and Latrobe the fourth day of my Penguins residency at
(06:12):
that very popular spot. Great wings, great popcorn, great everything.
Uh hey, praise Jeebus for getting us out of work.
Plays the Penguins, Well the Leafs really for scheduling a
four o'clock game. God bless us. Everyone gonna talk to
Tommy Radio next one oh five to nine. The Steelers
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as an organization should be embarrassed by the DK Metcalf
then punching a fan going over to the stands to
do so. But they're not. Tom went to kind comment
because he said he didn't see it. I guarantee he
knew about it. Tom Win should have benched Metcalf when
he found out. The NFL should have kicked Metcalf out
(06:57):
at halftime. I know technically the ref have to see it,
but punching a fan transcends that. But you gotta forgive
coach t because he's never had a losing season. What
a fun game, What a fun football game. I was
at celebrations in Imperial, big crowd, roucous crowd, and the
Steelers due definitely have something going. I'm just not sure
(07:19):
how much or what it leads to how about when
bos missed the field goal thirty seven yards joint off
the operating indoors. How's he missed that kick indoors? It
felt like a death sense. But again, lately, everything goes
right for the Steelers, even when it goes wrong. Let's
talk to Tommy Radio. Tom. I feel like the ref's
got the calls right on Detroit's last drive. What say you, Yeah?
(07:42):
I think they did get the calls right.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think they just botched completely the way they explained
the final play of the game. You know you said
it in the open today, getting the crowd pop going
by ruling it a touchdown and then having to pump
the brakes on it. It was weird. It was like
they were messing with them, so they botched that. But
other than that, I had no with the refs. As
you've pointed out, though it is a lucky streak the
Steelers are on of getting yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, and the OPI, which is epidemic in the league,
and it's always been committed, it's just now being called.
Like I said, I think somebody sent out a memo
and yesterday's game was very much affected by that. On
both sides of the ball. I felt like that play
was dead anyway on that lateral to GoF that that
they said was a touchdown on the field, I feel
(08:29):
that Saint Bron had been essentially tackled, like his forward
progress had been halted sufficiently more than sufficiently.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I mean he got blown back like what two
or three yards by Ramsey and I think it was
Porter who was rallying to the ball to I could
be mistaken on who else it was, but I know
it was definitely Ramsey.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
It was weird to me that they acted like that
play was a continuation and that if there wasn't a
pass interference penalty, the Lions would have gotten into the
end zone for almost a walk off touchdown with Jared
Goff catching that lateral would have been an amazing play.
Then you go to review that. That's tough review if
you like imaginum.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Reception got called back, which it should have. That was
a trapped catch by Franco. Like I said earlier, I
bet the refs were trying to figure out if the
game should end on that play, which it obviously can't.
You could end the game on an offensive penalty, but
not defensively. What's your play the game talk because Warren
died those two long touchdown runs, but the game well,
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touchdown catch on the ground, he gets up in scores.
That turned the game totally around, and thank god did
it happened because it opened the game up.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
The game was crap till that, Yeah, no question, that
is the play of the game. Probably play the season
for the Steelers, maybe up there for the play of
the year. As far as the NFL in general is concerned,
it was truly amazing. Can I throw a sneaky contender
at you, though, the Kyle Dugger safety, because when Darnell
Washington fumbled at the nine, I thought, oh crap, what
a great drive that just got undone to open the
second half. Now the lines are gonna go take control
(09:53):
of this football game. And then Dugger comes up with
that big play on third down.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
There is Gainwell, for real, he's on some run, isn't he.
I think he is? For real?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He isn't in the class of like a Christian McCaffrey
or even a Jamier Gibbs, where they're just as deadly
as a receiver as they are a running back. But
he's like in the tier below those guys. As far
as that type of running back is. His ability in
the pass catching game is so impressive. I know that
that's seventy eight yards was kind of inflated by the
(10:27):
forty five yard amazing play, but still leading the team
in receptions for a second week in a row and
being effective as he is in doing so. That is
the player that if you were going to look for
a runner up as far as team MVP or catalyst,
it might be him.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Would you bring him back? And how long?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
How much I'd offer him? Probably what two years? God,
it's a running back, so it's tough to really pay them.
It would probably take what like three point five a year,
four a year.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I hesitate to give him even that. Well, he's a
career backup. I mean this might be a fluke. In fact,
no doubt, no doubt, it could be a fluke.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
His ability in the pass catching game, though, I bet
his agent's gonna come to the table with that and say,
I need more money there because I'm not just a
threat in the backfield.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
The old line deserves lots of credit. The running game,
as we've discussed, is very good. The lines only got
two sacks despite you know, no Siamalu Roderck Jones obviously
still out both by Hutchison. The legend of Dylan Cook
continues to grow.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I suppose it's amazing how good he's been, and you
know it's it's people that know a lot better, right,
like the trey Essexes of the world. The Max Starks
on the broadcasts that are, like, this guy's unbelievable. He's
not missing a step really at all. And one thing
that Max pointed out last night, Mark that's so impressive
is they do that musical chairs thing right without Siemali
when they do the jumbo package where they bump Anderson
(11:40):
out from guard to do his jumbo spot and then
they put Pete in there. And that's a lot to
put on Cook's plate. But he didn't bother at all.
He didn't blink at all. I still think that's a
little too much to do. That's overthinking things there.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
In the fourth quarter, Detroit kept almost catching up. Were
the Steelers trading points for time and started doing that
too early and very nearly blew it. The defense got
very soft, laid back a great deal.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The defense just fades in all games in the fourth quarter.
That's a very you know, trendy thing with them is
that as the games go on, the defense seems to wear.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That not necessarily trendy, they're they're old. I think that's
the part of what happens, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
And this hasn't been the case in the previous two
weeks because the Steelers have actually dominated time with possession.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But they're just on the field forever.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
I mean that stat that Jerry through out there where
they've played almost three more games than the offense, Like
that's going to lead to the old timers fading, especially
in fourth quarters. I also think there's a little bit
to this where the Lions have a really good offense,
like it's hard to hold them down completely for sixty minutes,
but the Steelers did get very passive on defense. It
was easier for them. Yes, the pass rush was incredible
though for not having her big watch.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh I mean, did they miss Wad at all? No,
I don't think so. I mean, yesterday's game shows they
shouted to given him that extension, coupled with him being
you know, mediocre this year and last. And what's so
weird is like they oocre by the standard of somebody
getting forty one million per year.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
As a franchise. They This is probably purely accidentally. They
didn't do this on purpose, obviously, but they positioned themselves
well to not give what that contract and then maybe
eventually move on from him with her BIG's emergence and
a good draft pick there. He is too much high
Smith playing well, and Sawyer was amazing yesterdays that he
could have had. I thought he blew by them. So
(13:18):
they positioned themselves to say, hey, you know what, we're
not gonna give you that contract.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
We'll reevaluate after this year.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And then they obviously wouldn't if that same year played out,
but then they just gave him the money.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Anyway. It's very weird. Now. The offense did good, but
I still hate the offense, feeling barely. They are thirty
five years old, four catches, and now he's a featured receiver,
and I know that's because that's what Rogers wants. And
I hear people on on the radio today saying this
team can beat anybody into playoffs, not with Adam Field
as the number two receiver. But then again, I mean,
(13:48):
would Calvin Austin be in? I mean, I just don't
like the offense.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's where I'm at right there with the last thing
that you were saying, because you were thinking, yeah, Cleeland
can't be your number two option. It wouldn't work in
the playoffs. But then you say, okay, who else Calvin
Austin is going to start to work in there?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Continue reliance on the fat kid and who did not
play well yesterday? Right, and you know, not using Friarmouth
and John who except for token, you know, targets. I
just take the offense, and I don't believe in the.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Offense everything that Washington does quite frankly, pat Fryarmuth can do.
I mean, sure Darnell blows up people and runs him over.
Maybe Farmuth wouldn't do that, but he's still you know,
stiff arm a guy break a tackle.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
He'd be faster than Darnell Washington obviously.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And again Darnell fumbled at nine yard line and was
out of place in a different couple of plays.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I thought he had a really bad afternoon. Uh what's
your take on metcalf and Black? I feel it makes
the organization and tom Win look bad and undisciplined, and
I don't think anybody cares but me.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
I think Black should give Metcalf a pretty nice Christmas
gift because people are kind of glossing over that part
of what happened. The burg caught on a TV broadcast
doing that because of Metcalf's actions with Metcalf.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It just boils down to you can't go over there.
You can't do that, like, no.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Matter what the fans said and all the speculation, And
that's what I'm kind of sick of. Its Like, it's
not he said. She said, saying, oh, did he have
a racial slur involved or not? And he's saying he didn't.
He said he did, And we're just debating this stuff
when it just boils down to why was DK Metcalf
what ten to fifteen yards away from the bench straying
over to the stands.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That's unacception. I don't care that he had a history
with the guy. No, we're told this guy's a loser
with blue hair. I mean, what does d K care
about that guy? I heard he called him by his
full name, you know, called his mother and name the
N word. Dependent on who you believe in, I don't
believe any of it. Okay, say it's all true, though,
who cares anyway? Again, why are you going over there?
Why are children you're a Steeler, it's assault and it
(15:39):
just looks bad. You have to take the high road
in that situation. Have you noticed that the whole time's backing.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Him because they think the fans are racist, because I
think they believe into that or fan assaulted him.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
We think three Miles Garrett. I don't think Mason Rudolph
did that though out there this guy didn't. Sure. I mean,
it's it's it's we're gonna believe our black guy, but
not they're black guy. That's exactly what this is. In
a very roundabout way. It's racist.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
And I'll tell you what, really, I just don't buy
at all this whole excuse of, well, the refs didn't
see it, so we can't eject him from the game.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Of course, you get the refs barely watch the game.
They always huddle and have New York make all the
penalty calls for them. Anyway, I forget, I forget what
the reference was. But I talked to Jean Sterretor about
about a call that it could have come like way
after the fact, and I said, well, you can't do that,
and Jeane said, it's the NFL. They can do anything
they want.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And that ever since you've had that conversation. I don't
know when that was, but it's played out that way.
Mark New York officiates these games. The refs on the
field are just drones, just mouthpieces for whatever their earpiece says.
They should let actual drones ref the game that's probably coming.
It's like, you know, have them fly over like remember
we were we were pioneers with that on this show.
I don't know it was when you produced or not,
(16:48):
but we had the NFL head replay official on Oh God,
I forget his name, oh.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Randall teev oh okay, and he talked about having like
like kind of a Zeppelin type thing hovering over the
field to make calls. Really, yeah, that's pretty cool idea.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Actually his name was TiVo, the guy who was the
replay yea coincidence.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Uh up, Next, we're gonna talk about uh sid passing
Mario in the Penguins finally winning a game. Uh. The
first hour of the show brought to us by Shandorovich,
Shandrovitch and Fishman. They've Got Your Back, Not Your Wallet
one O five to nine, Naughty four point five three
WS Pittsburgh's Christmas Music Sidney Crosby now the Penguins all
(17:31):
time leading score, getting two points yesterday to pass Mario Lemux.
Mary Lemue not there, but had a great video message
that the crowd was stone cold silent to listen. It
was like the Pope was up during the Jumbo tronen.
As far as the Penguins are concerned, he was so
just a great moment, Sid passing Mario. Uh, I'm gonna
(17:53):
talk to Tommy Radio tom Sid took four hundred and seventy
two more games to top Mario and points. We know
that because Sid keeps telling us he broke the record,
but took great pains to keep the spotlight on Mario.
A pure class by Sid.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's just the textbook Sidney Crosby way of dealing with
something like this. And you've said so many times and
in dealing with him, he hates this kind of stuff,
just wants to move past it as fast as he can.
But this one is truly a great milestone, you know,
like some of the other milestones that pop up around him, Yeah,
they're cool, they're kind of like Easter eggy type things.
But this is a big, big deal franchise leader in
(18:29):
points and a franchise like this and passing a player
like that and their relationship personally, it's fantastic, right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
You make a good point about it for a franchise
like this. I have mentioned that frequently that nobody cares
who the leading score for Carolina is or you know, Nashville,
any number of franchises, even like some of the Expansion
original expansion teams like Saint Louis, I don't even know
who their leading score is, and I bet it's nobody
very significant. Maybe Brett Hull from when I don't know.
(18:59):
I just don't know was the point. How about the
Canadian writer right away? He wrote, Sid's done all he
can for Pittsburgh. Now he needs to be traded to
a team in Canada. Give it a rest for a day,
for heck's sake. Yeah, read the room.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I mean Canadian guy though, right, wasn't a sports trying
to force feed that into happening.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
They're trying to rumor it into reality. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Absolutely, And you know what, you're never gonna quit that.
I understand that you've just decided that that's what you
guys are gonna do up there.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Fine, but for one night, give it a rest. I'm
not even rolling out that he does go someho but
read the room. I hope, I hope it's better than
the teams in Canada if he if he switches, like
people talk about him going to Montreal, Montreal offers no guarantees.
They're an okay team and they're a young team. But
but again, if if Sid wanted a young team on
the rise, maybe the Penguins can yet become that, especially
(19:48):
if they draft McKenna like like this slump dictates they might.
I mean, eight straight losses until the win over Montreal,
I mean, who knows where they're gonna pick now, Sid
broke uh Mario's mark based on consistency, Tom, He's a
top five player all time based on consistency. He's like
a metronome. He's just inevitable.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, And that's why that consistency is why he's aged
so gracefully, and he's still a top player in this
league at this age, and he doesn't seem to be
slowing down at all.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And the consistency is rought from conditioning and knowing textbook
how to play the game, what to do in every
single situation.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I mean, when he tied Limu last night, it was
his twentieth goal of the season at his age, so
he's remarkable. He's going to go past thirty goals this year,
and that consistency is also why I strongly believe he
will pass Yager and he will for bee a two
thousand points scorer.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
I don't know I thought about this. I don't know
if he's going to get to two thousand points, which
would require like a minimum of three more seasons, we
might be overestimating his future tenure how much longer he
plays tom even though physically I think he could play
till he'st forty five, I'm just not sure how long
he's gonna want to in part two if the Penguins
rebuilding process doesn't accelerate.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, I understand that for sure, But I also just
feel like he doesn't want to do anything else right,
but then to go out there and play a hockey game.
Like I just don't think he as long as he
will physically be able to. I think there's a chance
that he'll stay in the league.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Might want to be a father. He has pointedly put
that off till after he's done playing.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Very fair, if he does want to open up the
next chapter in his life, hey, all more power to him.
I just I just wonder if he'd be ready for
that right now? Who am I to say?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Though? No, no, who am I to say? But this
is a long you know, time to fill on the
radio every day. Sit and Mario. I'm so happy and
I feel privileged that I've seen all of it up close.
But they're just so different. Mario was an alien. He
just did I mean, how do you do that? Like,
you know, time after time, year after year, and he
(21:47):
was three different players. Like after the back injury, he
lost a bit of the shaken bake, but he figured
out even pure offensive skills. Then after the comeback, he
just knew how to get points. He knew how to
set up, he knew where to be. He was just
a big time hockey IQ guy. Sid's been the same
player's whole career And that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I like how you put it that Lemieu was like
an alien, because he really was just like a monstrous
figure out there on the ice. Like that's another big
difference between the two of them. Just like the size
that Lemieux was able to play at that speed and
skill with was just something that you'd never see before.
I mean, you said it'll be the first to tell
you too, like lem You is the better player. I mean,
there's no doubt about it. And he keeps hammering that
(22:27):
home as you keep pointing out with telling everybody it
took me almost five hundred more games to do this.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's just Sid being Sid, Sid being
pure class for a and all time great player, be
the Penguins patriarch, and be a former teammate and see
a former teammate and a very close friend. I'm relieved
is a good word that the Penguins won when Sid
past Mario, because it would have diminished the accomplishment the
(22:52):
moment to him greatly that they.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Lost Mark, especially if they lost the way that game
played out right like he had past Lemieu. The Penguins
go up two to one, then then they blow another
lead right then it goes to the shootout. Then they
lose in the shootout for the sixth time this year,
and she Lofts is the goalie again, Like it would
have just been disaster.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
He would have been depressed at the locker. You got
a sub she loss out. That's kind of kind of
going off the conversation right now. But he opened his
legs all three times to the five one they just
happened to hit his pad twice.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
He did not win the shootout. Montreal lost this. They missed,
the shooters just missed. Yeah, he's awful at it, but
it would have really ruined the night for him. Like
I said, he would have been gloomy at the locker
having that night happened, and big about this.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Think about this Sid's mood at the end of the
night in which he achieved one of his biggest accomplishments
was put in the hands of art tors Shiloffs. I
also think that that had to be one of the first.
It probably not, but the given a mental patient a
machine gun.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Nine game losing streaks, Sid's probably faced or one of
the very few that he's been a part of in
his career.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Oh, I would think eight was tops man. Exactly where's
Bob Grove when you need him?
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Now, I will say, and this is no knock. Sid
slowed a bit lately. He accelerated again yesterday, but but
he had zero points in three out of four games
before yesterday. Then again, when you get shut out for
both games of the Dad's trip, nobody gets points. But
but uh, that's gonna happen the occasional slow spell, not
(24:23):
bad spell. Slow spell is gonna happen when you're thirty five,
excuse me thirty eight. But I hasten to point out
when Wayne Gretzky was thirty eight, he got nine goals
the whole season, and Sid already has twenty. Yeah, he
already has twenty.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It is also amazing, Mark, Like, you're right, he was
slowing down a little bit production wise, still playing fantastic
for his age, but he gets close to that point
per game thing, right, like in that amazing streak that
he has there too, and then he explodes past it
last night by having a three point game. Now he's
got thirty seven and thirty five games, like, he will
just always average a point per game, and until he doesn't,
I'll continue to believe he'll do so.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Would it surprise you if the year he quit would
be the year after he does get a point per game? No,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
How much he puts into these kind of streaks and stats,
but I think you know.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I'm not talking about about a streak or a stat
I'm talking about a barometer.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
If he's consistent, he'll say, Okay, I've dipped too far.
Yea and now it's time to walk away before it gets.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Because even though he's not a stat guy, there has
to be some barometer.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And you've always said you don't think he plays bottom six.
He never adjusts to that role.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
He's always a trot Trotz was a different type of player,
different type of cats. Now, to be fair, Sid could
be Trotz and he'd be a fantastic Trotz, but he's
just not gonna do that. I wonder what his role
is going to be on Team Canada.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Do you think he'll put him on the wing. No, No,
he'll play center. Yes, I wonder Nate Dog on his wing.
I wonder third line center. Is he on the first
power play?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I would probably assume that he'll be on second center
with Nate Dog on his wing.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You know what I'd be tempted to do. He's not
in a power play. Use him at long last the
penalty kill and he's never done it, but I know
he'd be one of the best ever at the p K,
and he'd be willing to do it for Team Canada
right wanting to do it for the Penguins, be willing
to do it. I don't think there's much Sid would
would say no to up next more stillar talk, we
(26:08):
got the trifecta. We got Peter McGuire later, we got
Matt Williamson. Later. It's The mark Man Show one oh
five to nine from the one oh five nine the
ex Weather Center. On Okay, Tom, we have some news.
The blue haired guy that DK punch has lawyered up
and issued a statement. Do you think he called Shandorovic,
(26:31):
Schendrovic and Fisherman they do sponsor the first hour of
the show, you know, Or do you think he called Saul.
I don't think he called either of them.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
So I think he's going to be charged forty percent,
which is just a crime, as you know, because cender Ovitch,
Cendrorovic and Fisherman only charged twenty five percent. Yeah, that's
what I hear. Anyway, what did the statement say? So,
I guess this guy's name is Ryan Kennedy. He lawyered
up and he categorically denies using the N word, the
C word, or any racial, misogynistic or hate based slur
during the incident. He released the statement because he's been
(26:58):
getting a ton of threats, harassment, and ISOLT messages because
of what Ocho Cinco accused him of saying on that podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
I heard most of those threats were made by Kabali,
But but I can't confue this Lions fan. Yes, uh so,
I mean I would think if he did anything that
Ocho Cinco talked about, you know where he texted, And
I don't believe he talked to Dank or texted. I
think a dope like Kim plays very fast and loose
with the truth because he's not real media, never got
(27:26):
trained in it. But but if he did indeed do
any of the things Thatcho, Cinko or metcf or whoever
accuses him of, it's easily verified. There were a whole
bunch of people right behind him. Yeah, that's kind of
where I land on it too.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
It's kind of the same thing we said with the
Mason Rudolph thing, right Like we just kind of used
context clues and we're like, if he said what Garrett
accused him of, other players on the field, maybe even
some Steelers teammates would have gone nuts in that situation.
Same thing kind of applies here, right Like, just people
sitting around him in the stands of security guard like
people wouldn't have just let that go let that fly
if he's hurling these insults, if he's like Alan Tutick
(28:02):
Steve the Pirate in the movie forty two to DK Metcalf,
like the.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Crowd's not going to allow that to happen. Yeah, well,
I mean maybe. I mean, well they did it in
forty two. That was a different time, I mean, right, right,
But yeah, I just think DK Metcalf was one thousand
in the wrong. Yes, Okay, what's the trifecta? Tom brought
to us by Danny's Petron Hogy's in Bethel Park.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's very fitting because this trifecta is athletes fighting fans.
I've got a trifecta of instances when that happened. Number three,
I'm gonna go with Tie doming when he fought that
Philadelphia Flyers fan that fell into the.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Penalty He didn't really fight him the guy. He licked
him up a little bit. He kind of just kind
of roughed them like he didn't haul off and belled
him though.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
But here's the difference between that in this situation and
a couple of others on this list. The fan fell
into the penalty box. There you went into the lions.
Then there same thing with the Browns fan that ran
onto the field and Harrison suplexed him, like you're on
the field.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It's a different story at that point. Well, I'm a
big tie domeie guy friend of the show, so I'm
on his side this one. What else, it's a Flyer
fan too, he deserved it. Uh.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Bruins and Mike Milberry going into the crowd against the
New York Ranger fans and Milbury taking the shoe off
and hitting the fans, hit the guy with the shoe.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
That was tremendous. That that was pretty good. But the
number one that happened not often back then, but you
would see like like the Hanson brothers, remember they went
the stands, No, it's that guy over there. Uh Like
that was based on that happening happening in real life. Yeah,
not often, but but but not never either.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well, the number one instance is this still has to
be the Malice at the Palace with Ron Artests going
into the crowd chasing that Detroit Piston fan who ended
up being the wrong fan who didn't throw the cup
at him and that's what started him charging at him.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
As with the hands that guy Jeff exactly. So what
an insane thing.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That That was when Ron Artest went into the crowd
in Detroit too, just like DK's incident.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Now, I know one you don't know about, so I'm
gonna throw it in there. Yeah. Eric Cantona who played
for Manchester United the French national team. A fan was
heckling him. He ran to the barrier and kung fu
kicked the guy in the head, got drop cake yep,
like yeah, and got suspended for a year for a
year year Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, Like that shouldn't be off the table completely here
in this situation, I.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Would suspend DK METCP for the entirety of the season
and the playoffs. He did basically the same thing that
United players did. Actually, you know, you know what I do.
I would suspend him indefinitely with a reinstatement subject to
him applying after the season, including the playoffs. Like, but
you know, they're just not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
They're just not I think they might set him for
at least this Cleveland game.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, but that's nothing. It's not even a meaningful game.
And I still maintain if the Cleveland game meant more
than it has turned out. Two, what was Baltimore losing yesterday.
That very likely to just get a fine Tom. What
happened to Baltimore? That's a good question. I thought they
had the best roster in the league before the season started.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
You know, It's it's weird because on one hand, I
think Derek Henry keeps fumbling a little too much and
that's hurting them. But on the other hand, he's still
such an amazing running back for Harbaugh to just bail
on him as quickly as he does. I I just
think the team is plagued by a lot of things.
The Steelers are plagued with. Honestly, they need to shake up.
They need to change their head coach. It's just too
stale though right now, and they're wasting a franchise quarterback
(31:09):
in their staleness.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, I think that's definitely true. Then again, I'm not sure.
I mean, Lamar's hurt a lot.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, this year in particular too. You know, how about
Drake May fantastic?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Is he the MVP? Stafford's really good too. It's a
tight race. I'd give it to May because he's elevated
his team more. I think I still think Josh Allen's
the best player in football, though, I do, but that's
a different it is discussion. I mean there's no award,
is there? There is offensive player over the year, but
then become the running back award? That's right.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, absolutely, Drake May if he put it this way,
if he wins MVP, I'm not outraged by it. I
think he's put up a fantastic season. It was funny
to see that last night was his first three hundred
yard passing.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Game of his career. It took him a little while
to do that. Yeah, but he's you know what. You
know what's funny too. He was after the game on
the field doing the post game and he is just
such a awe shucks. Thank god. Where's he from. I
don't know where he's from. He went to North Carolina,
a bit of a Southern twang that makes sense, you know,
and just you know, like given credit to his teammates. Yeah,
(32:10):
and like Stefan Diggs, another guy, we're right out there
and they're kind of looking at him while he was talking.
Check out this guy, Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Like Stefan Diggs is a bit of a wild boy,
but you could tell he has the respect of Drake
May right now. And he's from North Carolina two Huntersville,
North Carolina. When they asked Stephan Diggs after the game,
where can this team go? Like what's the ceiling? Digs
kind of just like pointed at May and May was
just like, we're just gonna win next week. And then
they just walked off the field. I mean, he's got
the command of that.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
And by the way, that is why athlete interviews on
the field are useless because nothing interesting ever gets said,
like maybe one time out of one hundred.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like they never say we're gonna win the super Bowl.
Guarantee it right now, book it on this field right now. Yeah,
it's always just praise be to Jeebus. Always it's that.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I know tis the season and we just want
to win next week and we're happy to win today
and I had a lot of help from my teammates
and yacht. Yeah, it's just milk toone. And don't get
me wrong, I don't expect them to say anymore. I'm
just pretty much referring to the frivolity of even doing
it at all.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Are you surprised at all that there's not more players
that kind of buck that trend though, and show a
little more personality in those postgame interviews, because it seems
like it's all Vanella Now.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I think if they had time to think more, they
might show more more personality. I just think they're trying
to not say anything grievously stupid, getting a micro shown
shoved in their face immediately after the game ends. When
when emotions? I mean, in that case they won, But
you know what I mean, No, I think you're spot
on there. I think what's even stupid is interviewing the
coaches going on and off the field at halftime time,
(33:39):
going into the locker room. What went wrong? Coach? What
are you gonna change? Hey, guess what I got? Next time?
We're gonna be excited, So I have to guess. Yes,
I have no idea where I'd even start bun Ko
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