December 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Tom Opferman hosting for Mark today as Mark calls in on his way to the lake and talk hockey. Chris Adamski joins the show to discuss the latest with the Steelers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mark is off today. I'm Tom Opperman Tommy Radio sitting
in for him, and it really did feel good to
beat those scumbags yesterday. And what more can you say
than just sid He is such a juggernaut against everybody
he plays, but especially so when it comes to the
Philadelphia Flyers. Brian Russ said after the game, he embraces
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being the villain against them. Of course he does. He
got his teeth knocked out by them when he was
a rookie, for God's sakes, but he has owned them
ever since. So it was just an absolute clinic from
the captain last night, leading the way, big two points
for the Penguins against the Flyers team that they're stuck
right in there with top two in the wild card
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hunt right now for the Eastern Conference. I also enjoyed
seeing the special teams clinic that the Penguins put on yesterday.
Three or four on the power play, six of seven
penalties successfully killed by the Pittsburgh Penguins. It was an
absolute masterclass. And despite Mark being off today, no one
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can rub it in the Flyers' faces better than Mark Cans.
So he's gonna join us right now, right at the
top of the show Mark. What an absolute performance last
night by the Penns and Philly led by Sid of
course he's such a dominating performer against Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, when I heard Mike Tomlin talk today is
news conference, all I heard was despair. All I heard
was the confusion. When I saw the Penguins go to
Philadelphia and get the spot out of the Flyers last night,
all I saw was hope. All I saw was the future.
All I saw was a plan moving forward and being
put in the play right now, maybe more than we thought,
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because why god, the Penguins have fewer losses in the
regulation than all but four of the teams in the
National Hockey Lage. If they were remotely clue in how
to play it over time and in shootouts, they might
be near the very topic league. As it is, they're
won the primes of that playoff race, because that's how
the loser point makes the standings. That's how the you
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then conference is. But what a great display last night.
The Flyers were never in the game. Stick the fire
killer two goals Kevin ps hayes. The ps fans are
currently skilled with the webbon end goal at the end.
Trevor Decres looked like a clown, every pise he gave
himself to look like the clown. There was nothing wrong
with anything that happened last night Philadelphia. Heck, I might
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even believe that Tristan Jarry before it's all over.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, And as I was saying, right before you jumped
on Mark, it was such a special teams clinic. Right
the three for four on the power play, they're back
to number one power play in the NHL, passing Dallas
after last night. But even more impressive maybe is killing
off six of seven Flyers penalties. They're pks up to
fourth in the league. You gotta be better on five
on five. You can't rely you can't rely solely on
special teams. But the Penguin special teams are elite so far.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, there aren't even Knights, which you can rely on
special teams like last night, when the opportunity presented, I
thought the Flyers got every call. I thought it was
the worst officiated game. I mean, I don't believe in
in the fixed speed in or a prejudice toward one team,
but true looked like a home team officiating crew last
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night in Philadelphia, and the pen was persevered and got
through it the PK, especially when they were down five
on three in perpetuity. Yeah, and only allowed the one goal.
That was a rare situation where allowing one goal in
that sequence still allowed them to come out of it
with momentum.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And Jari was great stood tall in his net, getting
a little feisty too, right, throwing the blocker at some
flyers that were coming into his area. Twenty eight to
twenty nine shots, saved big ones down the stretch in
that five on three sequence that you just mentioned. I
think you go back to him against Tampa Bay, right.
I'm not saying you buck the rotation completely moving forward
and he's your number one starting goalie and you treat
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him as such, but I think he earned a start
against Tampa Bay on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah. I don't know what Muses feels about the location,
because he scrap it, does he keep it?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I might be tempted to go back to Shiloff's in
Tamping and get their location going again and then play
Jarry against Dallas, But either way, either either opponent's tough.
I'm not sure there's a difference there regarding who plays who.
If you really see feel Jarry's building momentum himself and
on behalf of the team. Yeah, I would have no
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problem with him playing at Tampa.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now, how'd you think the kid line looked last night?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I thought they did pretty good despite not showing up
on the score sheet.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, they were buzzing. They played like a lot of
the young guys are supposed to play. They were just
all over the puck, all over the four, check, all
over the other team, chasing back with conviction. I thought
McGarty in particular, upon his return to the National Hockey League,
played just a very solid, adrenaline fuel game. I feel
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bad that Piven and just can't I go. But I
think it's he had like one shot late in the
game where could have got garbage time and he just
like whiffed on it from from kissed inside the white hash.
But I think Ben Kindle, I mean, my god, at eighteen,
when you can say he's playing consistent sixty minutes out there,
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well that that's a lot to put on an eighteen
year old kids quite the center of that kid, Lie.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And the last night the best kid that he was,
without question, and it's surprising to see how he's not overwhelmed,
you know, as the season. You know, keeps playing out.
He's so comfortable in that role, and he's honestly becoming
a force, a driver of play for the Penguins so
quickly at eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, you can tell with mom and dad we're both
pro athletes because nothing phases that. There's no golfy ting
about him, there's no fear fact about him. He just
goes out there and performed his job every night. He
has as much of an answer as an eighteen year
old's gonna have in this league. And I think it's
only gonna be onward and upward. I still think he's heeling.
Is probably a very good second line seven of the hit.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He goes to win as well, and he's elite on
the power play. It seems that that's the case already.
Is there still some worry in the back of your
head mark that Raquel comes back he jumps right onto
that power play one. Kendall's yes, that can't happen, right.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, I'll you know when the wright said it would
be a good way, because I'll bury news like a
dead dog, because that'll be just an awful, awful decision
if he does that. I mean, there'll be no excuse
for it, because you're not only taking out a component
of the power play that's number one of the leagues.
He is the top quote unquote power play component. He
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he's the guy who knows how to play it the best.
He's the guy that he circulates through to some large degree.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We're talking to Mark Matten here on the Mark Madden Show,
Tom Off for incident his host today. You mentioned Zegrest
a little bit ago. How about him just becoming such
a total pos all of a sudden. I thought it
was so funny when he tried to punk Clifton with
the head flinch Mark and Clifton just stood his ground,
just start looked laughable.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'm not sure there's a light guy, but Carter Clifton
would eat him for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I mean, my god, I see.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I just don't like when a guy changes teams and
becomes ten times prav with the new team because he
thinks the new team is tougher, which I'm not sure
the players necessarily are. With the uniform provides that reputation.
I just hate when guys do that. I mean, Victoria
is a deuced back too, but at least he comes
by an artist. He's played his whole career. There segris
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adopting this posture. The only the only thing to be
didn't the half of last night, I would like to
proceed for somebody to want to tighten him up.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well in that vein, Mark, I know it didn't happen
last night, but I like Boco as that last guy
on that fourth line.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think that it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Borky said it on the show yesterday. It allows the
entire team to kind of puff their chest out a
little bit more. I wouldn't hate seeing him be that
last winger on that fourth line them forward.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I quite agree with portkill enemy. It's so like Boco's
battleship Cavy or anybody like that. You know, he's He's
a relatively tough guy in a relatively non tough era.
But I do agree that it doesn't matter who the
four point wingers are, and if you know, Boco provides
what he does and that's to be a positive component
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in certain games, that I'm all for it. Yeah, I
got no problem. He's not the worst player they got.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now, Mark, if Sid keeps this pace up, which barring
an injury, I have no doubt that he will and
the Pens do make the playoffs, which I'm starting to
buy more and more that they will. Don't you think
he should seriously be considered in the MVP conversation. He won't,
you know, have the overwhelming point total like Nate Dogg
will at the end of the year, but he probably
will have an overwhelming goal total. And just the fact
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that it's, you know, the story behind it, thirty eight
year old Sidney Crosby getting the Penguins back to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
If they make the playoffs and he gets fifty goals,
he's got a legitimate shot m v P. He probably
should have won it, you know, three or four times
as opposed to the mere two he's won. They screwed
Mario like that back when too he didn't win it
up picked up. One thing the public kept SI for
winning it more often is people thought, oh, he's won,
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and enough, let's give it to somebody different. And I
think now that he's thirty eight, I think the story
is provided by going back to him as m VP,
with so many years between the awards and his fight
in his career, I think it might actually reverse what
was a disadvantage and making an advantage in terms of
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getting votes.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Now, Mark, I take it you did listen to coach
T's press conference today on your day off.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, I mean I was driving and it was yeah,
but but I don't listen. I mean platitude. Platitude duh.
He says nothing of any interest, but like the tournament's
voice leads to me to believe it has done, including
after the game on Sunday, that he does not know
what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, one thing that I was able to take away
from the press conference was the fact that he ruled
Derek Harmon out again and the fact that the Ravens
in their previous two meetings with the Steelers, led by
Derrick Henry, have rushed for five hundred and nineteen compine yards.
Do you see where I'm heading with that?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Oh my god, it's the shame the game's o at Pittsburgh.
They can break that record two weeks in a row,
most team rushing yards against an acacy. I mean, I mean,
Baltimore's gonna be favorite this game. The only thing that
could beat Baltimore is themselves, and they've done that to
be there, and it would be just like this season
and these Steelers to win this game and have people think,
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you know what, the AFC is wide open. They could
beat anybody in a playoff game, but I think they'll
probably look.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now, you're up at Coneyott Lake today right looking at
some Christmas lights.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm driving there currently.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right, Well, enjoy your time up there. We'll see
on Thursday right.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Over to drive right into the lake and you'll never
see Thanks.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
For no problem. I'll take over the show from here.
Up next, we're gonna get to some Steelers talk. I
know you animals are craving that Steelers talk. And it's
Grandpa's birthday today, so we'll get into that. Tom Oup
from an INFO Mark. It's one of five ninety acts
Tom up from an INFO Mark today for the fool Show.
We can do the rare calls on the fifteen at
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the two fifteen mark eight three, three, four one, two
thirty nine if you want to call in. Aaron Rodgers
turns forty two today and he looked every bit of
it versus the bills on Sunday. Think about that for
a second. The Steelers quarterback is forty two freaking years
old today, forty two. I think Rogers is far down
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the list of blame for this season. He might even
be my Steelers' MVP, to be honest with you, but
you gotta hang them up, old man. I mean you,
you just can't make it work at that age in
this sport and really any damn sport, especially when you're
so lacking in weapons around him too. Like Brady's the exception, right,
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He's the exception to almost every rule that people want
to prove. Look at the talent that Brady had on
offense around him when he was in Tampa Bay, not
to mention he had ba great offensive minded coach. It
was a perfect storm. And Brady's the greatest quarterback to
ever live. Rogers is one of the best. But you're
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just not going to go anywhere with a forty two
year old quarterback. And it sounds like I'm really getting
close to blaming Rogers. I promise you I'm not. The
blame has to be mainly placed on Mike Tomlin. It's
undeniable at this point. But you know what's getting really
really annoying to me when you keep hearing media members
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give their takes about Mike Tomlin and how it's always well,
if he gets fired, he'll get hired by anybody two
seconds that's just lazy. That take right there, that's a
take that you know, you think you're being smart and like, oh,
I'm so much better than you. Out there people thinking
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that it's a good idea to fire Mike tom and
you don't know anything. He would get hired in a minute,
in less than a minute. But if you have that
take right now, you're exposing yourself for being lazy. And
I gotta be honest with you, a little bit of
a hack who cares. That means nothing when it comes
to if the Steelers should move on from him or not.
What other teams in the NFL do should not influence
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what the Steelers decide to do with their own franchise.
And it's also not even a guarantee that Mike Tomlin
would be snatched up in two seconds if he were
fired by the Steelers. Eight three three four one two
ninety nine thirty nine. Steve on sixty five wants to
talk to Rogers. What's up, Steve?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, you know, it's funny you were just talking about
Rogers out because I was thinking, I like, in my head,
I have an idea of what Rogers was promised in
the discussion of you know him, playing for the Steelers,
and you know this, this might sound crazy, but I
don't think the current result is anything close to what
what he actually expected to do this year.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Does that?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Are you saying like you expected more out of him?
Like what did you think he was gonna do?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I expected less?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I honestly, like my my theory is that, you know,
it was like, don't worry, Aaron, we got this defense.
They're just going to grind opponents into the dust.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
And like we're gonna running running game.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And then you know, Game one against the Jets, you know,
for he looked like an age adjusted Vinta Jaron Rodgers
and like that was nice to see.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Anybody, including him the most, expected to have to play
like that every single game.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I completely agree with you there, Steve. That was the
plan at the beginning of the year. It was just
supposed to be, hey, dud, just enough, right, Like, hey,
if we're down by three and we need one drive,
we need you to deli for that one drive because
you're Aaron Rodgers are the four time MVP. One game
where our defense you know, isn't playing its best or
an offense just has the upper hand on us. We
need you to go out there and throw for four
touchdowns like you did against the Jets, but it wasn't
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supposed to be Jump on Aaron Rodgers' forty two year
old back and he's going to carry you over the
finish line. So I do wonder if Rogers is feeling
a bit let down right now if you were to
give him some truth here and with how it's been
playing out in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I'm surprisedly that, like, you know, nothing's really come out
about his you know again, you know, I don't claim
to be a suit's there, but I'm pretty sure I'm
pretty pretty accurate on my my production. But I'm surprised
you has been leaking yet about how I don't know
about what down would be the right feeling. I'm mad
he's probably curious.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Just be patient, Steve. I think that might come out
at the end of the season. If there's anybody that might,
you know, spill the beans on stuff like that, it
might just be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
When we come back, we're gonna be joined by Krisadaansky
of the Trip Tucks and Moore Steelers get his thoughts
on some of the things that m Tomlins said it
today's press conference. That's on the way you're listening to
the pregame show. Tom Off from an info Mark Madden
on one of five ninety X Tom Off from An
in solo for Mark Madden Today, he's up at Conyeatt
Lake in a paddle boat looking at Christmas lights. It
sounds lovely, to be honest with you, I'm extremely jealous
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joining me now though, to talk Steelers football. You read
his fine work in the Trip and you hear him
with me basically every day on the Steelers Blitz on
Steelers Nation Radio. He is Chris Adamski. Chris, you were
boots on the ground today for Mike Tomlin's press conference.
He ruled out Derek Harmon for Sunday against Baltimore, And
I think that's just fantastic news coming off of Buffalos
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two hundred and forty nine yards rushing and you're facing
Derek Henry and the Ravens who put up five hundred
and nineteen rushing yards combined the last two times you
saw this team.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, I don't think there was ever a Kate Better
for I don't know if Derek Harmon's defensive Rookie of
the Year odds went skyrocket day after a Sunday's game
by not playing and seeing the Steelers have what was
by will their worst home rushing defense performers in fifty
freaking years and they're worst of this season since he remember,
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he missed the first two games of this season. I
don't think it's a coincidence that the Seawers started off
really bad as a rushing defense those first two games
against the Jets and Seahawks, and they were really bad
this pass game. I don't think it's one hundred percent
the reason why the rush defense was so bad, And
there's issues go beyond that. And if Derrek Haruman new
come back and what mate magic, he fixed everything and
to being physicious saying defensive rookie the Year obviously, and
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he's that good. But at the same time, he is
part of the solution. And it's overall a pretty below
the line unit as we've seen over and over and
not having your starter at you know, nose tack or
have we're going to put one of your top three
defensive tackles is the problem that they did not deal
with very well Sunday, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
No, it is not.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And sticking with that Bill's rushing attack, what do you
make of Bill's running back? James Cook saying that they
attacked the corners so much for being weak at tackling,
and do you think that's something more teams are going
to do moving forward, starting this week with Ravens and Henry.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I know he's philosophically and organizationally
pride themselves on wanting physical DBS and good tackling corners.
Now does that mean they've failed completely? I get what
Cook said. It's it was at the game, especially because
I'm sure they didn't expect to see a Sante Samuel
as they did for most of that game at the
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corner obviously, So I would imagine that that's really kind
of pointed at Joey Porter Junior, right, I mean, he's
the one in the corner. I know James Pierre, I don't.
First of all, James Pierre does play special teams. He's
not a bad tackler there. I don't know how you'd
great him overall, but I probably took that I saw
Joey Porter Junior becau. Joey likes to talk a lot,
and I bet you there's people on that Bill's defense,
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in that Bill's coaching room who would like to kind
of give it back to him to a point. So
I imagine that's what it's directed at. And they're not
totally un wrong in saying that about Joey. But I thought,
actually Joey had a pretty good tackle with Joy. I
thought he.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I don't you know, maybe they
weren't wrong, but maybe the strategy didn't work. But then again,
if they rest fifty yards, whatever strategy they you get,
they nothing didn't work for them, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Should Aaron Rodgers be playing Chris especially if you can't
go under center and take a snap.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know, I don't know. I do wonder if you know,
the Steelers a would have won in Chicago, which they
were pretty close to doing as bad as this, all
the vibes are right now with the Steelers and what's
going on and Lucy streak here. I remember, if they
get you know, five more yards, Boswell kicks a field
when they got to overtime, and who knows what happens
then or whatever, you know, play here or there in
that game, they win it and I don't think people
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look at Rudolph's performance different in a different light than
they do. It wasn't fantastic, But you know, if they
did win that game and he performed really well like
he did the late in twenty twenty three season, let's
say maybe they don't. They stick with him even this
past week and to say, ah, Eraron, we need more
time to see what you can do. You're too limited
by the by the that thing, and blah blah blah.
And then if and if they'd happen to have one
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again against Buffalo and the same thing, I wonder if
Rogers will be playing even now. But obviously that didn't happen.
And I think that's part of the calculus and part
of the equation here is I must say they've lost
confidence in Mason Rudolph, but in terms of being a
better option, or at least they've lost confidence. I mean,
let's put it this way. You saw Mason his only past,
the only passes he threw on Sunday, one of them
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was intercepted. It wasn't very good. I get what you're saying,
and maybe Rogers shouldn't play. I don't think you want
to put up I definitely do not want to put
a rookie six round pick out there, and will Howard
just start when you're gonna playoff race and you have
a must win game again in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That's smart you want to write that band aid off there.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, So I guess what I'm saying is that I
don't disagree with your premise per se that maybe Rodgers
shouldn't be playing, but I also don't like the other options.
So if they're in all other all things equal, they're
gonna stick with stick with their starter.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, here's the thing that I really think is being
hindered by this is the running game. Obviously, you can't
do as much. If you're not going to be able
to get under center with that Steelers running game in
that Arthur Smith offense, your play action is not going
to work as well coming off of it. It just
it just felt really predictable, like the pistol formation just
wasn't really working enough, and anytime they would you know,
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motion Spencer Anderson in is the sidecar in that pistol formation,
and they ran it to that side every single time.
Like it just felt to me like you're taking too
much away from your playbook if your quarterback can't get
under center.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, I mean there's a reason obviously, what why offenses
are designed the way they are, the way the Steelers
offense was designed, And you're obviously limiting yourself in an
a whole host of ways, right, I don't know how
much in terms of I mean under center, just in
terms of those reasons that I the running game isn't
the same, right, it just isn't. There's a reason why,
I get play action is the most obvious one. It's
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really really hard to do, if not impossible, when you're
in the pisto, or at least it's certainly the time.
Everything's just not it should be right. And your running
game wasn't there a quarterback, I don't know what I mean.
You saw him take a hit, I don't obviously, I
don't know. I don't think that would have been the
way that hit came on him. I don't think it
wouldn't matter if he had a fully functional left wrist
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to brace himself or whatever that might be. But yeah,
it's certainly less than ideal for a lot of reasons
in the running game. In affecting the running game is
certainly a big part of that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I guess it's kind of hard to analyze the offense
after that performance, isn't it. They only have the ball
for eighteen minutes?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I might have lost it, Tom, That's how hard the
offensive analysis is. You just dropped off real quick. You
didn't even want to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even do. I really want to
speak about this Steelers offense after what one hundred and
what is one hundred and sixty one yard or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It was exactly one hundred and sixty six eighteen minutes
of possession. I mean like, there's nothing you can look
at and be like, well we can build off of
this for Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, if that game as a whole overall, I can't
find a silver lining or something. And I don't even
know where to start with the offense right now. And
that's kind of been the That's been the company line
all season long. Whenever there's been a question, especially about usage,
right Fat fired me, Well, we don't have enough play
Jan Morre, we don't have plays. Whoever it is you
bring up d out, we don't have enough plays. Well,
part of not have enough plays if the offense hasn't
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been good, So therefore you're punting quickly or turning it over,
whatever it is. That's why you don't have one. Now,
the defense is obviously culpable in that too, for a
lot of reasons. That's that's another reason. But any reason
you don't have the balls, you're going three it out
to a degree of almost anybody higher than anybody in
the league. So that's not a reason that that's more
of a symptom. I think there it is the reason
why you don't have enough plays or a reason you know,
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why we're not having enough plays is why you're having
trouble with you offensively. And I don't know, man, It's like,
I'll give DK Metcalf the benefit of the doubt because
I do believe he really has no compliment and no
secondary receiver. I mean, you know, maybe if he hadn't
had him more. You know, he's getting double team and
so much attention. I get it. But at the same time,
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this this is getting It's not like a one or
two game blip. Now, it's just pretty much he's there's
no big play since what's September now, right, we're in December, right,
The last time there was a big splash play by
DK Metca. He's a couple of touchdowns in there, I
get it, and one of those screen pass and things.
But he's supposed to be your your main guy guy.
He went out and got and targeted and has a
track record and getting paid a lot of money, and
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that's not there. And I mean Jonnay Smith got a
raise of a hidden done anything even you know, not
even September since the whole seedon started pretty much, And
I mean, I know people say it fired me is underutilized,
and that could be part of the solution. It probably
should be part of the solution at least in turns
of ball control and possession type downs. But I don't
know how dynamic you necessarily going to get there. But
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so yeah, I don't know. I'm on the running game more.
Maybe it is something you look at, because that's probably
been the Steelers' most consistent offense so far, has been
you know, I take most consistent. I still mean kind
of like mediocre.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Chris Damsky here the Trip and Steelers Nation Radio. Tom
Upferman in for Mark Man today on The Mark Madden Show. Chris,
is it time for us to start worrying that TJ.
Watt isn't just fading, but he might have completely faded
from what he once was. He only has seven sacks
this year. And Matt Williamson, our companion on Steelers Nation Radio,
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our cohort, pointed some stats out where his get off
time is getting slower and slower and slower year after
year after year after year. So there is now evidence
pointing to him fading away.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, there's certainly the production. Right, this isn't a blip anymore.
The line last season and I'll give him again a
good bend for the doubt was was one hundred percent
dealing with injury at this final during that Steelers losing
treat this five games, they lost their the novice sacker.
I forget what it was now, but whatever it was,
the production wasn't up high. Remember he was still the
defensive Player of the Year favorite at early December last
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year somehow, And and now the stretching have no sacks
of four team. It's kind of hard to kind of
hard to make your case at that point. And now
you have almost all. So you're what you're doing with
what is seventeen games sample size now? Right, you're doing
the actual season's worth of sample size and what would
that be barely a half a sack of game over
that time. And and yeah, you've had the strip sack,
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had a couple of tip passes, interception. I'd get there.
There's still some been some splash plays there, and you know,
but it's it's getting big enough of like I said,
a sample size, a big enough a period of time
here that you can't just pass it off as oh,
it's a slump, or they're doing this, or people are justing,
or it'll be time he'll break out. And I was
willing to say that maybe in September the first four
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or five games, but now you're getting the point where
it's almost a full season. And when it when it's
a full season, it's happened at age thirty one, it's
different than it's a full season it happened in age
you know, twenty four or whatever. After a couple of
really dominant seasons, you say, oh, well whatever, maybe it's
just still an aberration of some sort. But it's the
burden of proof falls back on him, right. I mean
I won't. I'm not ready to give up on a
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better and at whatever, but I think this might be
a lot more likely. This is the TJ well we'll
have going forward than the one we have from twenty
twenty one and twenty twenty two, that era.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Mike Tomlin said today Chris at his press conference that
there will be no significant changes when it comes to
his coaching staff, not you know, in terms of firing
a position, but you know what they do during the
game or throughout the week. But like, what changes could
they even make, you know, I mean there's no one
there that could U serve play calling duties from Arthur Smith.
Mike Tomlin's not an offensive guy, and he already has
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his handprints all over the defensive play calling Mike Tomlin does,
so like there's there's no you know, hey, I'm gonna
do the thing that coaches love to do. They make
that grand gesture of I'm taking over play calling from
this guy and it's gonna get fixed now. There's just
nowhere to go there.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, and I don't you know, you're down again? What
are you down to? Five games here in the season.
You get to December at this point, I guess they
made the Macanna move. It was late November, so it's
not too far off from that. I get to, you know,
desperate times or whatever. You're right, what are they gonna?
I mean Arthurs Smiths a former head coach himself, he
called plays when he was the head coach and and
it's not going to be Tom Win. They're not gonna
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I mean it would they wouldn't really certainly, you know,
just keyboard of the smith and new to him, but
not let them call the play then if they had
a viable option on staff when remember Eddie Fulton was
the coordinator and they still he still didn't call plays.
Uh two years ago at this time the late down
the stretch he was the coordinator entitle, but Mike Sullivan
was calling the play still, So it's uh, there really
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nowhere to go. Yeah, defensively the same thing as you know,
everybody knows. I mean, however, you wanted to place it
up at Mike Tolman and Terrell Austin situation. Yeah there,
what are you going to do? I mean a position
coach is there going to be? I don't know. I
mean you can the whole as he said, division of
labor and how you divide that up and everything, and
maybe maybe there's more stay in the personnel that goes
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in a certain because a lot of times the position.
Coaches handle that, but you know that's just kind of
you know, rearranging the chairs or whatever. Mean, what's what's
the difference if this guy played a couple more snaps
in that guy or whatever. I don't think it's going
to make a major difference at this point. They probably
are what they are.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Tom Well, they go to Baltimore with what they are,
and I think the best thing going for them, Chris
is how badly the Ravens are playing, Because that's not
great either. It seems like Lamar might be playing hurt,
doesn't seem to be willing to run as much. In
a shocking twist of events, it seems like the AFC
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North is going to be a battle of which team
is gonna be the you know, less competent, where it's
usually the team that is, you know, the better of
the two. It's like who's gonna lose the division less?
Who's gonna blow it the least is what these two
teams are playing for. It feels like it is wild.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
There was only two years ago to AFT North was
the first division in NFL history to have every team
finished over five hundred, and now we're gonna have two
years later, where I think it's very very much in
play that there might not be any team with them
winning record, right you other than the fact that Steelers
and Ravens play each other twice, of course, so that's
two wins that got to happen. Obviously, one of these
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two team's gonna get three more wins in their final
five games, right, I mean, if they split it that
she makes it even to me less like, I mean,
you could look at the schedule and maybe Cherry picked
some games, but yeah, I mean that's the most positive
thing Tommy and I have talked if it try to
look find the stop lining in that Sunday game wasn't
the Sunday game at all, but it was the fact
that the Ravens. But it's so crazy, you know, the
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first month of the season, people were saying the Ravens
are gonna turn on because of the Ravens, and I'm like,
this defense is just historically it just looks terrible. He
can't stop anybody. And then they fixed the defense. Now
it's like the Ravens are well, the Ravens turning up,
but their offense has been really bad. I mean we're
talking even late in the winning streak there, the offense
wasn't doing that much and Lamar wasn't looking like Lamar,
So is that just gonna magically change took itself, maybe
even did because the defense did with the Ravens for
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whatever reason. So I don't know if that's something. But
aside from that, the Ravens aren't a fear of anybody
right now and is kind of everybody is down in
the city as they are, and the Steelers and I
get it, certainly, I wouldn't be shocked whatsoever if they
went into Baltimore than one on Sunday. And if that happens,
then you're in first place approaching Christmas Day pretty much
here and in a week or so after that. So
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NFL's goofy and I But yeah, the AFC North right
now is certainly not any running to be the best
division in football.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And you know, the biggest key is going to be
to stop Derek Henry, especially if Lamar's not at full strength.
And I feel like he's having a bit of a
quiet year by his standards, Chris, but then you look
and he's still the seventh leading rusher in the league.
He's averaging four point seven yards per carry, He's got
nine hundred and thirty one yards on the season, and
he's just been he's just feasted on Pittsburgh in the
previous two matchups here.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's something that late last season whatever, the
Steelers against him when he was a Titan a little
bit different, but yeah, that still have memories of that,
and Mike to All was talking about that. They're asked
about that a lot today about Derrek Henry in terms
of in terms of at least not Derreck Henry so
much so though obviously he's the primary protagonist in this,
but the rushing defense against the Ravens. And there's two
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games in Baltimore late last season, right the week before
Christmas and then the playoff a couple weeks after that.
It was it was not pretty. And that was about
as bad as I've seen the Steelers team on both
sides of the ball get pushed around and get kind
of dominated in the trenches like they were, but and
have it done by their biggest rod want one of
them in a playoff game was and it was I mean,
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again he talked about today. They that meant left an
impression on the Steelers. The organization. They actually they altered,
but it shaped their shaped their offseason planned. It's what
they want to do, is well. They signed Lake Harrison
from the Ravens No Less to be a big, you know,
stout inside linebacker to go with their two you know
sideline the sideline inside line back. This is one example
to make sure they drafted Derek Harmon is another example, uh,
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defensive lineman with it. So they did all these things
and certainly the evidence against Buffalo said it hasn't helped
yet and they'll be measured by it again here And yeah,
Derek Henry, he's a Hall of Famer and how old
to see it because he's probably about t J. Watts
age without looking it up exactly. And I just mentioned
earlier if you're you're in your thirties and you have
a down seat and then you approved that you're not
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Nague was a couple of years ago when Derek Henri
didn't have a very productive season at least at Tennessee,
and then he goes on the baltim Worn proves once
again he's the Hall of Fame running back.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Chris, thanks for the time. Look forward to talking to
you tomorrow on the Blitz. Buddy.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I'll get some I'm sure, before we know it, we'll
be breaking bread again. Tom so looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He's Kris Danski from The Trip and Steelers Nation Radio.
Always a pleasure talking to him when I'm filling in
for Mark Mann and on our show together the Blitz Monday, Wednesday,
Thursday Friday noon to two on Steelers Nation Radio. When
we come back, we'll hit the trifecta. It's Tom Off
from an Infro Mark one of five nine the X
tom Off form an infrom Mark Today. We'll get to
(33:39):
the trifecta in just a second. I got a trifecta
of just brutal, brutal Steelers stats. But before we get
to that, let's talk to Fred who's on the road
and wants to talk about coaches trade value. What's up, Fred, Hey.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Tom, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, good question for
you regarding NFL coach like Tom On did they end
trade value in regards to like picks? Do you think
Tomlan has a no trade clause or at least maybe
some saying where he might go if the Rudies did
go that round.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Coaches no doubt have trade value. Fred, the John Gruden
once upon a time was traded for I believe a
first round pick Raiders to Buccaneers. But I don't think
Mike Tomalin was such a first rounder, maybe like a
four third. Maybe I'm underestimating him there. But to answer
your question, yes, there is trade value when it comes
to coaches. I don't know about the no trade clause part.
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I don't know if he'd have any veto power there.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
I wasn't quite short, you know, with a no losing
season kind of thing. But to me, that's just mediocracy.
So I don't know if really is when to you know,
the owners look at what Toman does bring, whether or
not to bring more than, like you said, a third
or fourth rounder.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Thank you for the call, Fred. You're gonna hear that
all offseason long. You already are starting to hear it
about trading Mike Tomlin. I'm not getting on Fred there.
This is more. You know, you tune into Monday Night
Football last night and it's the Giant should hire Mike Tomlin.
He'd be great, They should trade for him. That is
gonna be a very popular thing that people are gonna
get out there. You're gonna hear people say ridiculous things
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like Mike Tomlin to go for maybe two first round picks.
That's just absurd. What else is absurd is these stats
that I'm about to hit you with. It's time for
a trifecta sponsored by Danny's Pizza and Hogies, Pittsburgh's original
oven baked Hogy since nineteen sixty. We're oute eighty eight
in Bethel Park. In the second half against the Bills,
fifty two percent of the Steelers place failed to gain
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a single yard, more than half the time they snapped
the ball on offense in the second half against Buffalo,
That he can get a yard pathetic. Even more pathetic,
the Steelers haven't completed a downfield pass in thirty six days,
Oho for thirteen three interceptions, last five games combined on
twenty plus air passes. And last, but not least, Mike
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Tomlin has now gone sixty two straight games with seven
or fewer points in the first quarter. That's sixty four
games if you want to include a couple of playoffs too.
That is the longest streak by any head coach in
NFL history. I mean, the ugly stats are really piling up,
and I gotta be honest with you. The second one
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I hit you with areon our trifecta. The Steelers haven't
completing in downfield pass in thirty six days. That is
so hard to believe. Thirty six days, they haven't completed
a pass twenty plus yards downfield air yardage wise, you're
not gonna win many football games if that's the case.
I mean, you want to talk about an archaic offense.
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That's an archaic offense. When we come back, we're gonna
get back into some Penguins talk. We got Pierre Maguire
joining me next hour. I got a college football take
two at some point in the next hour as well.
A lot more to get to today. Some more Steelers
guests lined up later, so you'll get your Steelers talk in.
It's tom Out from an Info Mark
Mark is off today. I'm Tom Opperman Tommy Radio sitting
in for him, and it really did feel good to
beat those scumbags yesterday. And what more can you say
than just sid He is such a juggernaut against everybody
he plays, but especially so when it comes to the
Philadelphia Flyers. Brian Russ said after the game, he embraces
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being the villain against them. Of course he does. He
got his teeth knocked out by them when he was
a rookie, for God's sakes, but he has owned them
ever since. So it was just an absolute clinic from
the captain last night, leading the way, big two points
for the Penguins against the Flyers team that they're stuck
right in there with top two in the wild card
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hunt right now for the Eastern Conference. I also enjoyed
seeing the special teams clinic that the Penguins put on yesterday.
Three or four on the power play, six of seven
penalties successfully killed by the Pittsburgh Penguins. It was an
absolute masterclass. And despite Mark being off today, no one
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can rub it in the Flyers' faces better than Mark Cans.
So he's gonna join us right now, right at the
top of the show Mark. What an absolute performance last
night by the Penns and Philly led by Sid of
course he's such a dominating performer against Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, when I heard Mike Tomlin talk today is
news conference, all I heard was despair. All I heard
was the confusion. When I saw the Penguins go to
Philadelphia and get the spot out of the Flyers last night,
all I saw was hope. All I saw was the future.
All I saw was a plan moving forward and being
put in the play right now, maybe more than we thought,
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because why god, the Penguins have fewer losses in the
regulation than all but four of the teams in the
National Hockey Lage. If they were remotely clue in how
to play it over time and in shootouts, they might
be near the very topic league. As it is, they're
won the primes of that playoff race, because that's how
the loser point makes the standings. That's how the you
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then conference is. But what a great display last night.
The Flyers were never in the game. Stick the fire
killer two goals Kevin ps hayes. The ps fans are
currently skilled with the webbon end goal at the end.
Trevor Decres looked like a clown, every pise he gave
himself to look like the clown. There was nothing wrong
with anything that happened last night Philadelphia. Heck, I might
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even believe that Tristan Jarry before it's all over.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, And as I was saying, right before you jumped
on Mark, it was such a special teams clinic. Right
the three for four on the power play, they're back
to number one power play in the NHL, passing Dallas
after last night. But even more impressive maybe is killing
off six of seven Flyers penalties. They're pks up to
fourth in the league. You gotta be better on five
on five. You can't rely you can't rely solely on
special teams. But the Penguin special teams are elite so far.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, there aren't even Knights, which you can rely on
special teams like last night, when the opportunity presented, I
thought the Flyers got every call. I thought it was
the worst officiated game. I mean, I don't believe in
in the fixed speed in or a prejudice toward one team,
but true looked like a home team officiating crew last
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night in Philadelphia, and the pen was persevered and got
through it the PK, especially when they were down five
on three in perpetuity. Yeah, and only allowed the one goal.
That was a rare situation where allowing one goal in
that sequence still allowed them to come out of it
with momentum.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
And Jari was great stood tall in his net, getting
a little feisty too, right, throwing the blocker at some
flyers that were coming into his area. Twenty eight to
twenty nine shots, saved big ones down the stretch in
that five on three sequence that you just mentioned. I
think you go back to him against Tampa Bay, right.
I'm not saying you buck the rotation completely moving forward
and he's your number one starting goalie and you treat
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him as such, but I think he earned a start
against Tampa Bay on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah. I don't know what Muses feels about the location,
because he scrap it, does he keep it?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I might be tempted to go back to Shiloff's in
Tamping and get their location going again and then play
Jarry against Dallas, But either way, either either opponent's tough.
I'm not sure there's a difference there regarding who plays who.
If you really see feel Jarry's building momentum himself and
on behalf of the team. Yeah, I would have no
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problem with him playing at Tampa.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Now, how'd you think the kid line looked last night?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I thought they did pretty good despite not showing up
on the score sheet.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, they were buzzing. They played like a lot of
the young guys are supposed to play. They were just
all over the puck, all over the four, check, all
over the other team, chasing back with conviction. I thought
McGarty in particular, upon his return to the National Hockey League,
played just a very solid, adrenaline fuel game. I feel
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bad that Piven and just can't I go. But I
think it's he had like one shot late in the
game where could have got garbage time and he just
like whiffed on it from from kissed inside the white hash.
But I think Ben Kindle, I mean, my god, at eighteen,
when you can say he's playing consistent sixty minutes out there,
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well that that's a lot to put on an eighteen
year old kids quite the center of that kid, Lie.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And the last night the best kid that he was,
without question, and it's surprising to see how he's not overwhelmed,
you know, as the season. You know, keeps playing out.
He's so comfortable in that role, and he's honestly becoming
a force, a driver of play for the Penguins so
quickly at eighteen years old.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, you can tell with mom and dad we're both
pro athletes because nothing phases that. There's no golfy ting
about him, there's no fear fact about him. He just
goes out there and performed his job every night. He
has as much of an answer as an eighteen year
old's gonna have in this league. And I think it's
only gonna be onward and upward. I still think he's heeling.
Is probably a very good second line seven of the hit.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He goes to win as well, and he's elite on
the power play. It seems that that's the case already.
Is there still some worry in the back of your
head mark that Raquel comes back he jumps right onto
that power play one. Kendall's yes, that can't happen, right.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, I'll you know when the wright said it would
be a good way, because I'll bury news like a
dead dog, because that'll be just an awful, awful decision
if he does that. I mean, there'll be no excuse
for it, because you're not only taking out a component
of the power play that's number one of the leagues.
He is the top quote unquote power play component. He
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he's the guy who knows how to play it the best.
He's the guy that he circulates through to some large degree.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
We're talking to Mark Matten here on the Mark Madden Show,
Tom Off for incident his host today. You mentioned Zegrest
a little bit ago. How about him just becoming such
a total pos all of a sudden. I thought it
was so funny when he tried to punk Clifton with
the head flinch Mark and Clifton just stood his ground,
just start looked laughable.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'm not sure there's a light guy, but Carter Clifton
would eat him for breakfast.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
I mean, my god, I see.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I just don't like when a guy changes teams and
becomes ten times prav with the new team because he
thinks the new team is tougher, which I'm not sure
the players necessarily are. With the uniform provides that reputation.
I just hate when guys do that. I mean, Victoria
is a deuced back too, but at least he comes
by an artist. He's played his whole career. There segris
(07:37):
adopting this posture. The only the only thing to be
didn't the half of last night, I would like to
proceed for somebody to want to tighten him up.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Well in that vein, Mark, I know it didn't happen
last night, but I like Boco as that last guy
on that fourth line.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I think that it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Borky said it on the show yesterday. It allows the
entire team to kind of puff their chest out a
little bit more. I wouldn't hate seeing him be that
last winger on that fourth line them forward.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I quite agree with portkill enemy. It's so like Boco's
battleship Cavy or anybody like that. You know, he's He's
a relatively tough guy in a relatively non tough era.
But I do agree that it doesn't matter who the
four point wingers are, and if you know, Boco provides
what he does and that's to be a positive component
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in certain games, that I'm all for it. Yeah, I
got no problem. He's not the worst player they got.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Now, Mark, if Sid keeps this pace up, which barring
an injury, I have no doubt that he will and
the Pens do make the playoffs, which I'm starting to
buy more and more that they will. Don't you think
he should seriously be considered in the MVP conversation. He won't,
you know, have the overwhelming point total like Nate Dogg
will at the end of the year, but he probably
will have an overwhelming goal total. And just the fact
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that it's, you know, the story behind it, thirty eight
year old Sidney Crosby getting the Penguins back to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
If they make the playoffs and he gets fifty goals,
he's got a legitimate shot m v P. He probably
should have won it, you know, three or four times
as opposed to the mere two he's won. They screwed
Mario like that back when too he didn't win it
up picked up. One thing the public kept SI for
winning it more often is people thought, oh, he's won,
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and enough, let's give it to somebody different. And I
think now that he's thirty eight, I think the story
is provided by going back to him as m VP,
with so many years between the awards and his fight
in his career, I think it might actually reverse what
was a disadvantage and making an advantage in terms of
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getting votes.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Now, Mark, I take it you did listen to coach
T's press conference today on your day off.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, I mean I was driving and it was yeah,
but but I don't listen. I mean platitude. Platitude duh.
He says nothing of any interest, but like the tournament's
voice leads to me to believe it has done, including
after the game on Sunday, that he does not know
what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, one thing that I was able to take away
from the press conference was the fact that he ruled
Derek Harmon out again and the fact that the Ravens
in their previous two meetings with the Steelers, led by
Derrick Henry, have rushed for five hundred and nineteen compine yards.
Do you see where I'm heading with that?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Oh my god, it's the shame the game's o at Pittsburgh.
They can break that record two weeks in a row,
most team rushing yards against an acacy. I mean, I mean,
Baltimore's gonna be favorite this game. The only thing that
could beat Baltimore is themselves, and they've done that to
be there, and it would be just like this season
and these Steelers to win this game and have people think,
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you know what, the AFC is wide open. They could
beat anybody in a playoff game, but I think they'll
probably look.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Now, you're up at Coneyott Lake today right looking at
some Christmas lights.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm driving there currently.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
All right, Well, enjoy your time up there. We'll see
on Thursday right.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Over to drive right into the lake and you'll never
see Thanks.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
For no problem. I'll take over the show from here.
Up next, we're gonna get to some Steelers talk. I
know you animals are craving that Steelers talk. And it's
Grandpa's birthday today, so we'll get into that. Tom Oup
from an INFO Mark. It's one of five ninety acts
Tom up from an INFO Mark today for the fool Show.
We can do the rare calls on the fifteen at
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the two fifteen mark eight three, three, four one, two
thirty nine if you want to call in. Aaron Rodgers
turns forty two today and he looked every bit of
it versus the bills on Sunday. Think about that for
a second. The Steelers quarterback is forty two freaking years
old today, forty two. I think Rogers is far down
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the list of blame for this season. He might even
be my Steelers' MVP, to be honest with you, but
you gotta hang them up, old man. I mean you,
you just can't make it work at that age in
this sport and really any damn sport, especially when you're
so lacking in weapons around him too. Like Brady's the exception, right,
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He's the exception to almost every rule that people want
to prove. Look at the talent that Brady had on
offense around him when he was in Tampa Bay, not
to mention he had ba great offensive minded coach. It
was a perfect storm. And Brady's the greatest quarterback to
ever live. Rogers is one of the best. But you're
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just not going to go anywhere with a forty two
year old quarterback. And it sounds like I'm really getting
close to blaming Rogers. I promise you I'm not. The
blame has to be mainly placed on Mike Tomlin. It's
undeniable at this point. But you know what's getting really
really annoying to me when you keep hearing media members
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give their takes about Mike Tomlin and how it's always well,
if he gets fired, he'll get hired by anybody two
seconds that's just lazy. That take right there, that's a
take that you know, you think you're being smart and like, oh,
I'm so much better than you. Out there people thinking
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that it's a good idea to fire Mike tom and
you don't know anything. He would get hired in a minute,
in less than a minute. But if you have that
take right now, you're exposing yourself for being lazy. And
I gotta be honest with you, a little bit of
a hack who cares. That means nothing when it comes
to if the Steelers should move on from him or not.
What other teams in the NFL do should not influence
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what the Steelers decide to do with their own franchise.
And it's also not even a guarantee that Mike Tomlin
would be snatched up in two seconds if he were
fired by the Steelers. Eight three three four one two
ninety nine thirty nine. Steve on sixty five wants to
talk to Rogers. What's up, Steve?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, you know, it's funny you were just talking about
Rogers out because I was thinking, I like, in my head,
I have an idea of what Rogers was promised in
the discussion of you know him, playing for the Steelers,
and you know this, this might sound crazy, but I
don't think the current result is anything close to what
what he actually expected to do this year.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Does that?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Are you saying like you expected more out of him?
Like what did you think he was gonna do?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I expected less?
Speaker 4 (14:25):
I honestly, like my my theory is that, you know,
it was like, don't worry, Aaron, we got this defense.
They're just going to grind opponents into the dust.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
And like we're gonna running running game.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And then you know, Game one against the Jets, you know,
for he looked like an age adjusted Vinta Jaron Rodgers
and like that was nice to see.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
But I don't think.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Anybody, including him the most, expected to have to play
like that every single game.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I completely agree with you there, Steve. That was the
plan at the beginning of the year. It was just
supposed to be, hey, dud, just enough, right, Like, hey,
if we're down by three and we need one drive,
we need you to deli for that one drive because
you're Aaron Rodgers are the four time MVP. One game
where our defense you know, isn't playing its best or
an offense just has the upper hand on us. We
need you to go out there and throw for four
touchdowns like you did against the Jets, but it wasn't
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supposed to be Jump on Aaron Rodgers' forty two year
old back and he's going to carry you over the
finish line. So I do wonder if Rogers is feeling
a bit let down right now if you were to
give him some truth here and with how it's been
playing out in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I'm surprisedly that, like, you know, nothing's really come out
about his you know again, you know, I don't claim
to be a suit's there, but I'm pretty sure I'm
pretty pretty accurate on my my production. But I'm surprised
you has been leaking yet about how I don't know
about what down would be the right feeling. I'm mad
he's probably curious.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Just be patient, Steve. I think that might come out
at the end of the season. If there's anybody that might,
you know, spill the beans on stuff like that, it
might just be Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
When we come back, we're gonna be joined by Krisadaansky
of the Trip Tucks and Moore Steelers get his thoughts
on some of the things that m Tomlins said it
today's press conference. That's on the way you're listening to
the pregame show. Tom Off from an info Mark Madden
on one of five ninety X Tom Off from An
in solo for Mark Madden Today, he's up at Conyeatt
Lake in a paddle boat looking at Christmas lights. It
sounds lovely, to be honest with you, I'm extremely jealous
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joining me now though, to talk Steelers football. You read
his fine work in the Trip and you hear him
with me basically every day on the Steelers Blitz on
Steelers Nation Radio. He is Chris Adamski. Chris, you were
boots on the ground today for Mike Tomlin's press conference.
He ruled out Derek Harmon for Sunday against Baltimore, And
I think that's just fantastic news coming off of Buffalos
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two hundred and forty nine yards rushing and you're facing
Derek Henry and the Ravens who put up five hundred
and nineteen rushing yards combined the last two times you
saw this team.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, I don't think there was ever a Kate Better
for I don't know if Derek Harmon's defensive Rookie of
the Year odds went skyrocket day after a Sunday's game
by not playing and seeing the Steelers have what was
by will their worst home rushing defense performers in fifty
freaking years and they're worst of this season since he remember,
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he missed the first two games of this season. I
don't think it's a coincidence that the Seawers started off
really bad as a rushing defense those first two games
against the Jets and Seahawks, and they were really bad
this pass game. I don't think it's one hundred percent
the reason why the rush defense was so bad, And
there's issues go beyond that. And if Derrek Haruman new
come back and what mate magic, he fixed everything and
to being physicious saying defensive rookie the Year obviously, and
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he's that good. But at the same time, he is
part of the solution. And it's overall a pretty below
the line unit as we've seen over and over and
not having your starter at you know, nose tack or
have we're going to put one of your top three
defensive tackles is the problem that they did not deal
with very well Sunday, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
No, it is not.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And sticking with that Bill's rushing attack, what do you
make of Bill's running back? James Cook saying that they
attacked the corners so much for being weak at tackling,
and do you think that's something more teams are going
to do moving forward, starting this week with Ravens and Henry.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I know he's philosophically and organizationally
pride themselves on wanting physical DBS and good tackling corners.
Now does that mean they've failed completely? I get what
Cook said. It's it was at the game, especially because
I'm sure they didn't expect to see a Sante Samuel
as they did for most of that game at the
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corner obviously, So I would imagine that that's really kind
of pointed at Joey Porter Junior, right, I mean, he's
the one in the corner. I know James Pierre, I don't.
First of all, James Pierre does play special teams. He's
not a bad tackler there. I don't know how you'd
great him overall, but I probably took that I saw
Joey Porter Junior becau. Joey likes to talk a lot,
and I bet you there's people on that Bill's defense,
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in that Bill's coaching room who would like to kind
of give it back to him to a point. So
I imagine that's what it's directed at. And they're not
totally un wrong in saying that about Joey. But I thought,
actually Joey had a pretty good tackle with Joy. I
thought he.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, So I don't you know, maybe they
weren't wrong, but maybe the strategy didn't work. But then again,
if they rest fifty yards, whatever strategy they you get,
they nothing didn't work for them, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Should Aaron Rodgers be playing Chris especially if you can't
go under center and take a snap.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
You know, I don't know. I do wonder if you know,
the Steelers a would have won in Chicago, which they
were pretty close to doing as bad as this, all
the vibes are right now with the Steelers and what's
going on and Lucy streak here. I remember, if they
get you know, five more yards, Boswell kicks a field
when they got to overtime, and who knows what happens
then or whatever, you know, play here or there in
that game, they win it and I don't think people
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look at Rudolph's performance different in a different light than
they do. It wasn't fantastic, But you know, if they
did win that game and he performed really well like
he did the late in twenty twenty three season, let's
say maybe they don't. They stick with him even this
past week and to say, ah, Eraron, we need more
time to see what you can do. You're too limited
by the by the that thing, and blah blah blah.
And then if and if they'd happen to have one
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again against Buffalo and the same thing, I wonder if
Rogers will be playing even now. But obviously that didn't happen.
And I think that's part of the calculus and part
of the equation here is I must say they've lost
confidence in Mason Rudolph, but in terms of being a
better option, or at least they've lost confidence. I mean,
let's put it this way. You saw Mason his only past,
the only passes he threw on Sunday, one of them
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was intercepted. It wasn't very good. I get what you're saying,
and maybe Rogers shouldn't play. I don't think you want
to put up I definitely do not want to put
a rookie six round pick out there, and will Howard
just start when you're gonna playoff race and you have
a must win game again in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
That's smart you want to write that band aid off there.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, So I guess what I'm saying is that I
don't disagree with your premise per se that maybe Rodgers
shouldn't be playing, but I also don't like the other options.
So if they're in all other all things equal, they're
gonna stick with stick with their starter.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Well, here's the thing that I really think is being
hindered by this is the running game. Obviously, you can't
do as much. If you're not going to be able
to get under center with that Steelers running game in
that Arthur Smith offense, your play action is not going
to work as well coming off of it. It just
it just felt really predictable, like the pistol formation just
wasn't really working enough, and anytime they would you know,
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motion Spencer Anderson in is the sidecar in that pistol formation,
and they ran it to that side every single time.
Like it just felt to me like you're taking too
much away from your playbook if your quarterback can't get
under center.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Yeah, I mean there's a reason obviously, what why offenses
are designed the way they are, the way the Steelers
offense was designed, And you're obviously limiting yourself in an
a whole host of ways, right, I don't know how
much in terms of I mean under center, just in
terms of those reasons that I the running game isn't
the same, right, it just isn't. There's a reason why,
I get play action is the most obvious one. It's
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really really hard to do, if not impossible, when you're
in the pisto, or at least it's certainly the time.
Everything's just not it should be right. And your running
game wasn't there a quarterback, I don't know what I mean.
You saw him take a hit, I don't obviously, I
don't know. I don't think that would have been the
way that hit came on him. I don't think it
wouldn't matter if he had a fully functional left wrist
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to brace himself or whatever that might be. But yeah,
it's certainly less than ideal for a lot of reasons
in the running game. In affecting the running game is
certainly a big part of that.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I guess it's kind of hard to analyze the offense
after that performance, isn't it. They only have the ball
for eighteen minutes?
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I might have lost it, Tom, That's how hard the
offensive analysis is. You just dropped off real quick. You
didn't even want to do it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even do. I really want to
speak about this Steelers offense after what one hundred and
what is one hundred and sixty one yard or whatever.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
It was exactly one hundred and sixty six eighteen minutes
of possession. I mean like, there's nothing you can look
at and be like, well we can build off of
this for Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, if that game as a whole overall, I can't
find a silver lining or something. And I don't even
know where to start with the offense right now. And
that's kind of been the That's been the company line
all season long. Whenever there's been a question, especially about usage,
right Fat fired me, Well, we don't have enough play
Jan Morre, we don't have plays. Whoever it is you
bring up d out, we don't have enough plays. Well,
part of not have enough plays if the offense hasn't
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been good, So therefore you're punting quickly or turning it over,
whatever it is. That's why you don't have one. Now,
the defense is obviously culpable in that too, for a
lot of reasons. That's that's another reason. But any reason
you don't have the balls, you're going three it out
to a degree of almost anybody higher than anybody in
the league. So that's not a reason that that's more
of a symptom. I think there it is the reason
why you don't have enough plays or a reason you know,
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why we're not having enough plays is why you're having
trouble with you offensively. And I don't know, man, It's like,
I'll give DK Metcalf the benefit of the doubt because
I do believe he really has no compliment and no
secondary receiver. I mean, you know, maybe if he hadn't
had him more. You know, he's getting double team and
so much attention. I get it. But at the same time,
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this this is getting It's not like a one or
two game blip. Now, it's just pretty much he's there's
no big play since what's September now, right, we're in December, right,
The last time there was a big splash play by
DK Metca. He's a couple of touchdowns in there, I
get it, and one of those screen pass and things.
But he's supposed to be your your main guy guy.
He went out and got and targeted and has a
track record and getting paid a lot of money, and
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that's not there. And I mean Jonnay Smith got a
raise of a hidden done anything even you know, not
even September since the whole seedon started pretty much, And
I mean, I know people say it fired me is underutilized,
and that could be part of the solution. It probably
should be part of the solution at least in turns
of ball control and possession type downs. But I don't
know how dynamic you necessarily going to get there. But
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so yeah, I don't know. I'm on the running game more.
Maybe it is something you look at, because that's probably
been the Steelers' most consistent offense so far, has been
you know, I take most consistent. I still mean kind
of like mediocre.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Chris Damsky here the Trip and Steelers Nation Radio. Tom
Upferman in for Mark Man today on The Mark Madden Show. Chris,
is it time for us to start worrying that TJ.
Watt isn't just fading, but he might have completely faded
from what he once was. He only has seven sacks
this year. And Matt Williamson, our companion on Steelers Nation Radio,
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our cohort, pointed some stats out where his get off
time is getting slower and slower and slower year after
year after year after year. So there is now evidence
pointing to him fading away.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, there's certainly the production. Right, this isn't a blip anymore.
The line last season and I'll give him again a
good bend for the doubt was was one hundred percent
dealing with injury at this final during that Steelers losing
treat this five games, they lost their the novice sacker.
I forget what it was now, but whatever it was,
the production wasn't up high. Remember he was still the
defensive Player of the Year favorite at early December last
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year somehow, And and now the stretching have no sacks
of four team. It's kind of hard to kind of
hard to make your case at that point. And now
you have almost all. So you're what you're doing with
what is seventeen games sample size now? Right, you're doing
the actual season's worth of sample size and what would
that be barely a half a sack of game over
that time. And and yeah, you've had the strip sack,
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had a couple of tip passes, interception. I'd get there.
There's still some been some splash plays there, and you know,
but it's it's getting big enough of like I said,
a sample size, a big enough a period of time
here that you can't just pass it off as oh,
it's a slump, or they're doing this, or people are justing,
or it'll be time he'll break out. And I was
willing to say that maybe in September the first four
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or five games, but now you're getting the point where
it's almost a full season. And when it when it's
a full season, it's happened at age thirty one, it's
different than it's a full season it happened in age
you know, twenty four or whatever. After a couple of
really dominant seasons, you say, oh, well whatever, maybe it's
just still an aberration of some sort. But it's the
burden of proof falls back on him, right. I mean
I won't. I'm not ready to give up on a
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better and at whatever, but I think this might be
a lot more likely. This is the TJ well we'll
have going forward than the one we have from twenty
twenty one and twenty twenty two, that era.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Mike Tomlin said today Chris at his press conference that
there will be no significant changes when it comes to
his coaching staff, not you know, in terms of firing
a position, but you know what they do during the
game or throughout the week. But like, what changes could
they even make, you know, I mean there's no one
there that could U serve play calling duties from Arthur Smith.
Mike Tomlin's not an offensive guy, and he already has
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his handprints all over the defensive play calling Mike Tomlin does,
so like there's there's no you know, hey, I'm gonna
do the thing that coaches love to do. They make
that grand gesture of I'm taking over play calling from
this guy and it's gonna get fixed now. There's just
nowhere to go there.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah, and I don't you know, you're down again? What
are you down to? Five games here in the season.
You get to December at this point, I guess they
made the Macanna move. It was late November, so it's
not too far off from that. I get to, you know,
desperate times or whatever. You're right, what are they gonna?
I mean Arthurs Smiths a former head coach himself, he
called plays when he was the head coach and and
it's not going to be Tom Win. They're not gonna
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I mean it would they wouldn't really certainly, you know,
just keyboard of the smith and new to him, but
not let them call the play then if they had
a viable option on staff when remember Eddie Fulton was
the coordinator and they still he still didn't call plays.
Uh two years ago at this time the late down
the stretch he was the coordinator entitle, but Mike Sullivan
was calling the play still, So it's uh, there really
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nowhere to go. Yeah, defensively the same thing as you know,
everybody knows. I mean, however, you wanted to place it
up at Mike Tolman and Terrell Austin situation. Yeah there,
what are you going to do? I mean a position
coach is there going to be? I don't know. I
mean you can the whole as he said, division of
labor and how you divide that up and everything, and
maybe maybe there's more stay in the personnel that goes
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in a certain because a lot of times the position.
Coaches handle that, but you know that's just kind of
you know, rearranging the chairs or whatever. Mean, what's what's
the difference if this guy played a couple more snaps
in that guy or whatever. I don't think it's going
to make a major difference at this point. They probably
are what they are.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Tom Well, they go to Baltimore with what they are,
and I think the best thing going for them, Chris
is how badly the Ravens are playing, Because that's not
great either. It seems like Lamar might be playing hurt,
doesn't seem to be willing to run as much. In
a shocking twist of events, it seems like the AFC
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North is going to be a battle of which team
is gonna be the you know, less competent, where it's
usually the team that is, you know, the better of
the two. It's like who's gonna lose the division less?
Who's gonna blow it the least is what these two
teams are playing for. It feels like it is wild.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
There was only two years ago to AFT North was
the first division in NFL history to have every team
finished over five hundred, and now we're gonna have two
years later, where I think it's very very much in
play that there might not be any team with them
winning record, right you other than the fact that Steelers
and Ravens play each other twice, of course, so that's
two wins that got to happen. Obviously, one of these
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two team's gonna get three more wins in their final
five games, right, I mean, if they split it that
she makes it even to me less like, I mean,
you could look at the schedule and maybe Cherry picked
some games, but yeah, I mean that's the most positive
thing Tommy and I have talked if it try to
look find the stop lining in that Sunday game wasn't
the Sunday game at all, but it was the fact
that the Ravens. But it's so crazy, you know, the
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first month of the season, people were saying the Ravens
are gonna turn on because of the Ravens, and I'm like,
this defense is just historically it just looks terrible. He
can't stop anybody. And then they fixed the defense. Now
it's like the Ravens are well, the Ravens turning up,
but their offense has been really bad. I mean we're
talking even late in the winning streak there, the offense
wasn't doing that much and Lamar wasn't looking like Lamar,
So is that just gonna magically change took itself, maybe
even did because the defense did with the Ravens for
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whatever reason. So I don't know if that's something. But
aside from that, the Ravens aren't a fear of anybody
right now and is kind of everybody is down in
the city as they are, and the Steelers and I
get it, certainly, I wouldn't be shocked whatsoever if they
went into Baltimore than one on Sunday. And if that happens,
then you're in first place approaching Christmas Day pretty much
here and in a week or so after that. So
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NFL's goofy and I But yeah, the AFC North right
now is certainly not any running to be the best
division in football.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
And you know, the biggest key is going to be
to stop Derek Henry, especially if Lamar's not at full strength.
And I feel like he's having a bit of a
quiet year by his standards, Chris, but then you look
and he's still the seventh leading rusher in the league.
He's averaging four point seven yards per carry, He's got
nine hundred and thirty one yards on the season, and
he's just been he's just feasted on Pittsburgh in the
previous two matchups here.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's something that late last season whatever, the
Steelers against him when he was a Titan a little
bit different, but yeah, that still have memories of that,
and Mike to All was talking about that. They're asked
about that a lot today about Derrek Henry in terms
of in terms of at least not Derreck Henry so
much so though obviously he's the primary protagonist in this,
but the rushing defense against the Ravens. And there's two
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games in Baltimore late last season, right the week before
Christmas and then the playoff a couple weeks after that.
It was it was not pretty. And that was about
as bad as I've seen the Steelers team on both
sides of the ball get pushed around and get kind
of dominated in the trenches like they were, but and
have it done by their biggest rod want one of
them in a playoff game was and it was I mean,
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again he talked about today. They that meant left an
impression on the Steelers. The organization. They actually they altered,
but it shaped their shaped their offseason planned. It's what
they want to do, is well. They signed Lake Harrison
from the Ravens No Less to be a big, you know,
stout inside linebacker to go with their two you know
sideline the sideline inside line back. This is one example
to make sure they drafted Derek Harmon is another example, uh,
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defensive lineman with it. So they did all these things
and certainly the evidence against Buffalo said it hasn't helped
yet and they'll be measured by it again here And yeah,
Derek Henry, he's a Hall of Famer and how old
to see it because he's probably about t J. Watts
age without looking it up exactly. And I just mentioned
earlier if you're you're in your thirties and you have
a down seat and then you approved that you're not
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Nague was a couple of years ago when Derek Henri
didn't have a very productive season at least at Tennessee,
and then he goes on the baltim Worn proves once
again he's the Hall of Fame running back.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Chris, thanks for the time. Look forward to talking to
you tomorrow on the Blitz. Buddy.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
I'll get some I'm sure, before we know it, we'll
be breaking bread again. Tom so looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
He's Kris Danski from The Trip and Steelers Nation Radio.
Always a pleasure talking to him when I'm filling in
for Mark Mann and on our show together the Blitz Monday, Wednesday,
Thursday Friday noon to two on Steelers Nation Radio. When
we come back, we'll hit the trifecta. It's Tom Off
from an Infro Mark one of five nine the X
tom Off form an infrom Mark Today. We'll get to
(33:39):
the trifecta in just a second. I got a trifecta
of just brutal, brutal Steelers stats. But before we get
to that, let's talk to Fred who's on the road
and wants to talk about coaches trade value. What's up, Fred, Hey.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Tom, thanks for taking my call. Yeah, good question for
you regarding NFL coach like Tom On did they end
trade value in regards to like picks? Do you think
Tomlan has a no trade clause or at least maybe
some saying where he might go if the Rudies did
go that round.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Coaches no doubt have trade value. Fred, the John Gruden
once upon a time was traded for I believe a
first round pick Raiders to Buccaneers. But I don't think
Mike Tomalin was such a first rounder, maybe like a
four third. Maybe I'm underestimating him there. But to answer
your question, yes, there is trade value when it comes
to coaches. I don't know about the no trade clause part.
(34:30):
I don't know if he'd have any veto power there.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
I wasn't quite short, you know, with a no losing
season kind of thing. But to me, that's just mediocracy.
So I don't know if really is when to you know,
the owners look at what Toman does bring, whether or
not to bring more than, like you said, a third
or fourth rounder.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Thank you for the call, Fred. You're gonna hear that
all offseason long. You already are starting to hear it
about trading Mike Tomlin. I'm not getting on Fred there.
This is more. You know, you tune into Monday Night
Football last night and it's the Giant should hire Mike Tomlin.
He'd be great, They should trade for him. That is
gonna be a very popular thing that people are gonna
get out there. You're gonna hear people say ridiculous things
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like Mike Tomlin to go for maybe two first round picks.
That's just absurd. What else is absurd is these stats
that I'm about to hit you with. It's time for
a trifecta sponsored by Danny's Pizza and Hogies, Pittsburgh's original
oven baked Hogy since nineteen sixty. We're oute eighty eight
in Bethel Park. In the second half against the Bills,
fifty two percent of the Steelers place failed to gain
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a single yard, more than half the time they snapped
the ball on offense in the second half against Buffalo,
That he can get a yard pathetic. Even more pathetic,
the Steelers haven't completed a downfield pass in thirty six days,
Oho for thirteen three interceptions, last five games combined on
twenty plus air passes. And last, but not least, Mike
(35:58):
Tomlin has now gone sixty two straight games with seven
or fewer points in the first quarter. That's sixty four
games if you want to include a couple of playoffs too.
That is the longest streak by any head coach in
NFL history. I mean, the ugly stats are really piling up,
and I gotta be honest with you. The second one
(36:18):
I hit you with areon our trifecta. The Steelers haven't
completing in downfield pass in thirty six days. That is
so hard to believe. Thirty six days, they haven't completed
a pass twenty plus yards downfield air yardage wise, you're
not gonna win many football games if that's the case.
I mean, you want to talk about an archaic offense.
(36:40):
That's an archaic offense. When we come back, we're gonna
get back into some Penguins talk. We got Pierre Maguire
joining me next hour. I got a college football take
two at some point in the next hour as well.
A lot more to get to today. Some more Steelers
guests lined up later, so you'll get your Steelers talk in.
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