Pregame Show - Tomlin's Full of Crap, World Series Marathon

Mark talks about the BS from Mike Tomlin today blaming the offense first and foremost for the team getting beat. Tommy Radio joins to talk Steelers, the World Series and fictional kickers.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I got very little problem with the Steelers offense. Rogers
is efficient, even if he has been made into a
game manager.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
The Steelers were stupid to abandon the.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Run in the second quarter against Green Bay, not least
when they led the game going into the fourth quarter.
Metcalf has been disappointing with the drops, but not horrible.
The tight ends have been deployed in fashion both confusing
and haphazard, but the offense is merely annoying and not

(00:43):
even that all the time. The defense is Hiroshima dipped
in the Chicago fire. My suggestion for the defense would
be Ramsey had safety with Elliott out, a veteran had
to try and settle things. Echoes, Porter and Pierre as
the three corners including slot don't play slagh and past that.

(01:09):
What options do you got? I want unmove wat around?
But what doesn't want to? What would rather suck on
his own terms?

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
It don't sound like.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Nothing's gonna change on defense with the play calling. Somebody
asked Tom Win today if he would usurp those duties
from Terrell Austin and Tom Win said that's not on
the table. Tomlin calls the defense now Austin is his
bulletproof shield, his security blanket, his building scapegoats And even

(01:46):
if ciamal who can't play, I'd keep using the jumbo
package on offense. Matt Williamson says, you can't. I see
him all lose out. But Spencer Anderson at guard in
place to see themalo doesn't mean you can't use Calvin
Anderson as the extra lineman. Part of me hates that package,

(02:07):
like I've talked about it's prehistoric, but part of me
thinks it's part of what little identity the Steelers have.
Let's talking out of Tommy Radio. Tom what fixes would
you make on defense? I feel like things are okay
on offense.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
Yeah, I really don't think there's much you have to
do to the offensive side of the ball. I just
don't know what you can do to the defensive side
of the ball. We talked about yesterday, like their biggest
problem is they're just old. Like how do you make
a bunch of old guys not be old anymore?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
You can't fix old. I'm offense on tweak. I'd go
deep a little more. I'd throw in the middle a
little bit more. I'd throw a DK a lot more.
I would get how I use the tight ends more
patterned and regimented. I don't think there's any rhyme nor
reason despite having all those tight ends on the field
so often.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Who's the most frustrating player on defense?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
I like scapegoating the most frustrating player on the defensive
side of the ball. It actually might have to be
Joey Porter Junior for me.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Bingo, that's what I say too, that's my most frustrating
player because he's twenty five and isn't improving. Yes, he
knew the old guys could recede, just maybe not all
at once. But I expected Porter to get better and
I still have faith in the kid. But he has
not gotten any better since he was a rookie.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
No, it's actually starting to trend towards being a big disappointment.
Not to say that he's a bad player in the NFL,
but not the player that he was billed to be
and the player that the Steelers needed him to be,
especially this year, like he needed to become what Ramsey
was in Jacksonville, Like he needed to be the guy
that could put somebody on an island lock a number
one receiver down, and he just never does that.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Said, he's the only guy they trust in pressman coverage.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, he's the only one that can play it adequately,
but he needs to play it at an elite level
and he's just not.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, do you blame him or do you blame
the developmental because they've never done well with drafting and
developing cornerbacks.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
No, I think that's very fair to say. Under Mike
Tomlin that has been a problem for them, So you
have to blame that. But I think a little bit
has to be on the player as well. I mean,
he's a skilled player. I mean, don't don't you think
that he would be better or at least ascending even
if the developmental wasn't where it should be with the Steelers,
more so than he is now.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'll be blunt.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I think almost any young talented player would be better
off anywhere else but Pittsburgh. I mean a few exceptions,
like you don't want him to be a New Orleans
Saint right now, But yeah, Pittsburgh is just a bad
destination for a young player, and especially a cornerback. What
about my idea of Ramsey. It's safety, which he's not
often done before, but I feel like he's got the

(04:34):
head for it and they need somebody back there to steady.
And I might even keep that going after Elliott returns. No,
I think that's a good idea, And if he does,
I think they're laying the bs not with that. I
think he's off for the year.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
That looked like a year ending injury. But I wouldn't
hate if he does, say, come back, having Elliot and
Ramsey be the primary safeties and just putting Echols in
the slot role. I still think Ramsey's okay in the slot,
but you're right, there's just such a desperation for a
safety right now, you might as well roll the dice
and put Ramse either. That's one of the few things
you can actually try to change up and maybe it
fixes something slightly.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's one of very few moves you can even yeah,
think about it. Now, what about my idea of retaining
the jumbo package of Cemali can't play with Calvin Anderson
as the extra lineman.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean that guy don't have to be a Pro bowl.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Er, No, he just needs to be big how hard
can it really be. I mean, you're always double teaming.
Sometimes you're even triple teaming with Mount Washington, so it's
like you're the helper. It can't be that hard. I
would really hate to see them abandon that completely, especially
because you're seeing it help in the running game, and
I wonder if that's what got them away from running
the ball in Green Bay. A little bit too, is
whenever Spencer Anderson had to usurp duties for Isaac Cmalu

(05:42):
because they were running on the number one rushing defense
in football really well in the first half of that game,
and then he just stopped Toll.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Never mind that crap I just got a text River
Hints at home for the playoff Saturday night Prime Ribbon
the Owner's box, Tuffy Shallenberger coming through big.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I can't wait. No, I mean, I just.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Don't see any reason to not maintain the jumbo package, because,
like I said, I you know how I've railed against it,
but it is part of what little identity they had.
I wish, you know, Rogers the Metcalf was more of
the identity. I wish they hadn't abandoned the run in
the second half against Green Bay, there by denying what
they want their identity to be.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
But I would stick with the jumbo package.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Here's something somebody said, I forget who in the media,
but it peauked my interest. Are the Steelers like Cincinnati now?
Does their offense have to be better on a given
night than their defense is bad?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, it's trending into that direction. It's funny for Mike
Tomlin to get to the microphone today and put his
offense in the crosshairs right away once again, because if
he wants money, but not surprised, but if he wants,
to your point what you just said there, if he
wants his precious nine to eight record to continue, it's
on the offense this year, buddy, Like, the offense is
going to have to carry that load because the defense
is not an above five under defense.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Everybody bleeds about what a great code, which the guy is.
How about Vegas has never waired off, making Baltimore the
betting favorite to win the AFC.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
I think it was briefly right, like there was a
split second.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think there might have been one where they were
like pick them between the.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Two right before the Bengals game. I think the Steelers
edged past them slightly, and then the Ravens took back over.
They're gonna, like I said yesterday, six and six is
what the records are gonna be when they meet in
December seventh.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well, a lot of shows like this one spend a
lot of time giving gambling advice. Here's my advice to
gamblers out there. Bet it all on Baltimore to win
the division because Tom Win is full of crap. Then again,
John Hardbloss pretty full of crap too, will.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
See you October.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
People are freaking out over it's the Mark Many show.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
A quick world series.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Note the Dodgers won in eighteen innings last night and
take a two games to one lead. Freddie Freeman hit
a walk off home run. To me, the talking point
is Otani hit two home runs last night and then
got walked his last five plate appearances, four times intentionally.

(08:21):
And if I managed against Otani, I would walk him
every single time, even with the bases empty. Probably not
what the base is loaded, but that would depend on
the score. But I would walk Otani just about every
time with very few exceptions. And I bet Toronto does.

(08:41):
And that's the paradox of sports, because you want to
try to win but walking Otani all the time is
exactly what the fans don't want to see.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Otawni's like in a Bonds level.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Now in terms of the fear factor, just gonna be
walk walk walk walk walk occasionally, you know. In I
mean in the regular season it's different. But now, boy,
like I said, I would walk him every time pretty
much the rest of the World Series, and now he
pitches tonight.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Tell you what the guy. The guy's got charisma and
that legend.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't think he's Babe Ruth, but I think he's
not too far from.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
The big worry for.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
This coming Sunday with the Steelers is not just losing,
but what if Indy just kills the Steelers beats him
like forty to ten to hang a third straight loss
on him.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That could easily happen.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I don't see Indie score less than thirty, that's for sure,
because the Steelers are a team with shaky confidence obviously,
and if it goes bad early, I could see excrement
very quickly flowing. Don Hill, I just think the Steelers,
I mean, you talk about what they need to do,

(10:03):
I think they just are what they are. I did
the game by game thing for the rest of the schedule,
and I have him going four and six or five
and five the rest of the way, which would finish
it eight to nine or nine. At eight there was
a report that Steelers were signing the wide out, the
guy who played with Rogers at Green Bay, Marquez Valdez Scantling,

(10:26):
that he had worked out yesterday, but Tomlin kind of
sidestepped that today and said they were working on safeties
today too. Bums eye honestly never heard of, and Jerry
Dulac tweeted, it doesn't look like the Steelers will be
signing a wide receiver this week.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Let's talk to Tommy Radio.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I didn't even mention.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
The potential acquisition of Valdez Scantling in the opening segment
because I just don't think it matters. He's been cut
so many times it's a wonder he ain't bled to death.
And I think they like Scronic. I think they like
Scottie Miller, even with the broken finger. But what they
should do is just is just go with Roman Wilson
getting more snaps and more targets, because he got some

(11:11):
against Green Bay and did not disappoint.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, I've honestly been forgetting in the past twenty four
hours that Valdez scantling has kind of been a thing
because that's how meaningless I view it. It moves the needle,
not any at all. Roman Wilson is the guy that
they should just be leaning into.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I'm not sure Roman Wilson shouldn't be the number two receiver.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
I'm not so sure either. He was the number two
receiver as far as I'm concerned on Sunday night. Calvin
Austin was invisible out there. On Sunday night. They was
barely playing. It felt like.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Calvin Austin's Kenny the freakin Kangaroo. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I hope Roman Wilson stays involved. Four catches on Sunday
and he looked okay. I still can't imagine why he's
been so barely used. But Tom, we got to talk
about Indy the Colts. They're terrific, great offense, Dandy Dimes,
Jonathan Taylor, the rookie tight end two. This could go
real sideways, real quick. Like I mentioned, the Steelers confidence

(12:01):
already sucks.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It's just hard to find a weakness when it comes
to the Colts. The thing that I think people are
talking themselves into is Danny Jones, Danny Jones, Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Being the weakness. He's Danny Dimes, Danny Dimes, He's a copyright.
It's like Peal Madonna, Danny Dimes. Why is Indiana Jones
taking off more? Have you started to hear that more
and more? Have Saturday's trying to ram that down? Everybody's
throte on ESPN. I think that's cliched and hack.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
It's terrible. Danny Dimes is such a perfect.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Weall though it is exactly the kind of thing Jeff
Saturday would say and repeat constantly.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
But only an old bastard would think that that.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
You could do an Indiana Jones' nickname in twenty twenty
five and it doesn't come off as dated.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I just think, you know, the only reason people don't
view them as a clear cut Super Bowl favorite right
now is because Danny Dimes is the quarterback and they
still think, well, what about him?

Speaker 1 (12:49):
And I think because of the surprise element too. I
think people thought they'd be better, but don't forget you
that the thing would be Anthony Richardson or Danny Dives
at quarterback, and people thought that stick with Richardson because
he was, you know, a first round pick by them, but.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
Like, there's no weakness here and for the Steelers, especially
going up against that offense, You're going up against a
great offensive line with badasses on it. You're going up
against wide receivers that are good. Michael Pittman's good, Josh
Downs is good. Like they've got options for Danny Dimes.
But then it starts with Jonathan Taylor, who's gonna win
the Offensive Player of the Year. He's already a runaway
favorite as far as that's concerned. He's sneaky, got a

(13:25):
chance to be the first MVP since Adrian Peterson twenty
twelve a running back and not a quarterback. I mean,
I don't think it will happen, but he's definitely in
the conversation right now.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well defending him as an all day job or so
I've heard it said, why do you think Jones is
so good for Indy and he wasn't with the New
York Football Giants because Dabball, the coach there, was supposed
to be an offensive innovator, just like Stiking an Indy.
But it's worked out for Stiking and for Dabble not
so much.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
I also wonder just how bad Danny Dimes truly was
in New York. I mean he was in the developmental stage,
of course of his career, but he was able to
get them to the playoffs, and he won them a
playoff game when they had a really strong defense and
they had Saquon Barkley as one of the best running
backs in football. Now, I think Danny Dimes isn't by
himself going to be able to raise the team to

(14:12):
the level that the Colts are at right now. But
you drop a Danny Dimes into a team that's just
got no weaknesses AND's got a strong running game, and
he can do the job.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Well. You talk about Jonathan Taylor the running back, because
a potential MVP candidate, you know what might hurt him,
Him and Danny Dimes might split votes. Danny Dimes has
has that kind of season going where I think he's
an MVP candidate to some wevell Now, they won't give
it to him. They probably won't give it to a
running back. They'll probably give it to like just some
cliche choice, like whoever the best quarterback is. Maybe Mahomes
gets the Mahomes because he's coming on strong and so

(14:43):
are the Chiefs. I still say they miss the playoffs
because I just always stick to my original predictions.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
But Peap this that tom Danny.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Dimes has only had one quarterback rating of under one
hundred on the season. His numbers are undeniably MVP level.
And the quarterbacks are just shredding this team Dealers right now.
Joe Flacco shred them, Jordan Love shred them. It looks
like Danny Dimes is going to shred them too. And Mark,
you said that there's a real possibility that the Colts
could just flatten the Steelers like a forty to nine
kind of victory. Would you consider the Steelers as a

(15:12):
bad team? Would you say they're a bad football teams?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Of that?

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Now?

Speaker 4 (15:15):
The defense is certainly a bad defense.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Is one of the worst defenses, Yeah, the history of
the franchise, and uh one of the It's the worst
than the league right this second, right there with Cincinnatis.
And what makes it even funnier. Excuse me, I didn't
mean to say that. I meant more disturbing is the
price tag in the big names.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, bad teams this year are like bugs on windshields
to the Indianapolis Colts. These scores are insane, thirty three
to eight against the Dolphins forty one to twenty against
the Titans, forty to six against the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
And that could happen this Sunday and Aquasure. They're coming
off thirty eight to fourteen against the Titans. They even
beat the Chargers, took them out behind the woods had
and beat them up thirty eight to twenty four. I mean,
they just dominate football teams. You know what Comlin needs
to do or Tara Austin, whoever we want to pretend
the defensive coordinator is, they need to get a little more.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I'm a Chickien.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Remember he would always say, Okay, who's the other team's
best weapon.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Let's make sure he doesn't beat us.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Now, I know the Colts have more than one best weapon,
but here's what I would do. I would just make sure.
I mean Tom always talks about stopping the run. I
think they have a better chance of winning even if
Taylor gets his hundred yards. But the combination of Danny
Dimes and that rookie tight end Tyler Warren doesn't run
a muck. I would make sure that that passing combination
is what doesn't beat us.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, you're right in theory, but what's that secondary and
one of those inside linebackers. Gonna do against Tyler Warning,
against those wide receivers, and against the way Danny Dimes
is playing football. You just said he's at a passer
rating over one hundred almost every game. There's no answer
against this team. They just I really don't think they
have much of a chance on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
So what you're saying is what you gonna do, brother,
when Danny Dimes and Tyler Warren run wild on you
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here's some food for thought for all you TJ. Watt

(17:04):
fans out there.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
What if TJ.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Watson's entire career comes and goes and he never even
wins a playoff game, let alone a Super Bowl? How
would Wat be remembered here in Pittsburgh in particularly. I mean,
he's going to make the Hall of Fame, but you
know he'd be a weird Hall of famer, wouldn't he
to never win a playoff game? And you get in
the Hall of Fame? What has four sacks in his

(17:28):
last eleven games. Hayward has a sack and half in
his last twelve games. They're empty jerseys. They're doing so little,
not least juxtaposed to how much they make. How about
only ten men were on the field for the Steelers
defense when green Bay converted that two point try. Not

(17:49):
exactly a well oiled machine. Let's bring on Tommy Radio again.
Tom what's your take on my take on what? How
will he be remembered if he plays his whole career
and puts up big numbers and wins individual accolades but
never even wins a playoff game, Because that could very easily.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
Happen, could very easily happen. And you know, the first
person that came to mind when you laid that out,
like he'd go to the Hall of Fame and be
such a weird Hall of Famer not winning a playoff game.
I was like, it sounds like Joe Thomas, you know,
the famous Brown tackle who went without even going to
the playoffs but was just so undeniably good.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And then they went to the playoffs right now, right
after that. But you know what, I never blamed him.
I don't think people did. That team was just so flawed,
the whole organization so bad. Whereas in Pittsburgh it's not
like what in the teams he's been on haven't had opportunity,
no question, I mean, I mean the entire Tomlin era
has been about underachievement.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And people love to say, well, when TJ. Watt was
in this this is what will happen. They'll say, when TJ.
Watt was in his prime, you know, the offense just
wasn't up to par with what he was and what
that defense was, and he'd wreck games, but it wasn't
good enough. But how often do you point out do
we all point out the defense has been the problem
in the playoff games? The defense has been the they'd
get their doors blown off. It's like fourteen to nothing

(19:05):
before the offense even knows that what hit them. That
goes back to the Ben era the twenty seventeen game
against the Jags, Like, the defense has been the problem
in this playoff losing streak, not the offense.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Well, even when the defense has been great, it's not
been great at the proper times.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Like you said, in the playoff games.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Uh, the pregame show brought to us by the personal
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not your wallet. Uh, Tom, did you watch the World
Series game? If so, how much of it?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
I made it too about the thirteenth inning, and I
didn't like watch right at the beginning of it. I
was trying to partake in the sports equinox mark. I
was trying to dish around. I couldn't find an NBA
game on my TV though, couldn't find that either, So
I failed. As far as this is concerned, you.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Really came up way short on the sports.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
I just watched the Penguins, then the Chiefs and the
Commanders game, and then in the World Series, I got
to see Otani hit the game tying home run. That
was such an awesome moment. And then in the thirteenth inning,
I was like, I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I'm out.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
I was up late the night before working the Steelers
Right Network, so I was just like, I cannot do this,
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, I was at the Penguins game and then came
home and did turn on the World Series, and then
you know, between innings, went to bed, but had the
game on in my in my bedroom.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
But I'm not sure what inning it was. I think
I made the fourteenth What was that?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
What was the inning when Kershaw came in and they
made the play where the second baseman flipped the ball
with his glove to the first baseman to end the inning.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I was there for that. That was like the eleventh.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I was asleep an inning after that.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Rather turned off the TV because it just I mean,
I don't care that much about that.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
I thought Kershaw was gonna blow it too. I thought
they were just gonna pound it.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But he's like the very bottom guy in their rotation.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Correct, Yeah, I mean I don't even think he's in
the rotation when it comes to the playoff.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Well, I mean in terms of the bullpits, like he's
the guy you don't really want to pitch.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Well and to that point, Mark, I know you turned
it off after, but like he pitched against one batter
in that instance to get out of that jam, and
then they put another pitcher in after It's like, okay,
this is extra innings in the World Series. Kershaw should
go a couple more innings. But they don't trust them, well.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Especially because you know as a star that kind of
mentality and you know arm but but yeah, but but
they won.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
So would you do what I suggested? Walk O Tawni
every time I.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Think you have to. I'm surprised they even pitched him
in that you know five four situation where he hit
the game tying home run. There's an open base that
was the lead off the inning, and they fall into
that cliche, right, like a lead off walk is poison.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Well, don't put the winning run at the plate.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Right like, well, okay, Otwani is a different story. Like
you said earlier, he's in Bond's territory almost where he
has that fear factor.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Aaron Judge has that too, except not in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, that's the difference. Like Otani's doing it.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
You had a decent playoffers as long as they lasted,
which wasn't too long.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
He hit for average, but not enough power. Judge needs
to hit for power. That's what Otani's doing. He says,
like seven home runs already.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know what I had forgotten.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
You don't throw the four balls wide on the intentional
walk anymore.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
You just put up four fingers, right, yeah, and then
they just go first.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Why do they do that? Did not waste time?

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Exactly? Speed it up?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I would.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I would like to think it's because they want to
conserve the pitcher's arm because of the ridiculousness of him
just lobbing the ball and being in any way stressful
on the right.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
You miss that the charm of that if having to
lob them in.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
No, I think anything that could be done to shortened
baseball games I'm in favor of. I gotta be honest,
and this is blasphemy, even in even in playoff games.
I wouldn't use the ghost runner in the tenth or
the eleventh, or the twelfth. After the twelfth, I.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Might, I would think about it too. Eighteen is just
way too much. That game was just brutal. O.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
What Greenee said today on Get Up, if it happens
once every like you know, fifteen years or whatever, you
got to live with it.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And he's probably.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Right, probably, but it also kind of again this feeds
into what Greene was saying. It doesn't happen often, but
it kind of ruins tonight's game a little bit, right,
Like this game is there gonna be a slog out there?
Both of those teams.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, and the bullpens are dested. I mean, I mean,
does that mean no, tawny pitch is deeper? I got it.
I think that they'll just I don't think think it's
going to be long time before he's not pitching at all.
Don't you agree? Given his day it was a hitter.
I do agree with that.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I think he's only got to come.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
He wants to let him, true, but.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
I think he's only got a couple of years of
really being allowed to pitch and be a part of
that rotation. They like to only use him about five
or six innings, like that's the usual plan for Otani.
But this is the World Series. I wonder if they're
just like, dude, go pitch one hundred and twenty pitches Otani? Yeah,
why not? World Series? Mark?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Last game of the year. Brent, he's the one very good.
He's the one guy I wouldn't do that with. There's
just too much to be I mean, what if he
hurt his arm pitching Hill, we couldn't hit.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Then you have Freddy Freeman, who's honestly just as good,
not just as good. I'm sorry he said that. I'm
sorry I even said that. That was blasphemous. But he's
so damn good and I love him so much, and
he looks like Buzz from home alone. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You know what was interesting about because I saw all
the highlights this morning on Get Up. How many near
home runs the Dodgers had an extra innings before finally
the walk finally getting the walk up? There were like
three times, including one by Freeman.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
I know with what's that t Oscar's.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
Name, t Oscar Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
He nearly went deep and it was one. I think
Otan no Atani got walked.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Alludn't get you if there.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Were three near misses maybe Freeman twice.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Three near misses for homes and extras for walkoffs for
the Dodgers. And then when Freeman hit the winner, the
crowd s sort of and the announcers too, they know.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Sold for a minute because the other ones hadn't gone.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Out right exactly. They had their doubts. But that's the
second walk off home run Freeman's hit in a World Series.
He did it last year too, So I mean he's
going to the Hall of Fame. He's got an outside
shot at being a three thousand hit player as well
in his career if he can have some more long genuay.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Nobody nobody does that.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
I know, he's still got like four or five years.
He'd probably have to play at a decent level. But
he's still really good. He's their second best player. He's
better than Mookie Bets right now, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, Mookie's faded. That was a great trade by Boston.
Whether people want to crucify them for the few good
years that they lost with Mookie. Like the contract the
Dodgers signed signed Bets to. And don't get me wrong,
it's play money to them, especially with them deferring everything
but in their in their TV, the local TV contract.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
But Boston made the right deal.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
They the Dodgers signed bets tobook contract were three quarters
of it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
He will underachieve his pay rate.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, And the thing about the Dodgers is just they
have now been able to position him to be their
third or fourth most important player in the lineup. Like
that sinks every other team. You push all your chips
in on Mookie Bets and he starts to fade like this,
But the Dodgers are like, Okay, we'll just shifting to
be in our fifth piece.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Well, screw Freddy Freeman, Tom because only one walk off
home run in the World Series counts, and it was
Bill Mazerowski's one O five nine X.

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Speaker 1 (25:59):
Time now for the Trifecta with Tommy Radio, brought to
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Speaker 4 (26:06):
Tom what do you got for today's triffecta? Mark, I'm
gonna go with three fictional kickers from movies because I
loved your take yesterday. Boswell's almost too good for the Steelers.
Own good that they lay up too much because Boswell's
gonna make a fifty yarder every time.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, they know it's too automatic.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
They just there were a couple fourth downs in the
Green Bay game where I think they should have could
have gone for it. But just yes, figure Well bos
is definite, so let's just kick it.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Number three on this trifecta, I'm gonna go with Kathy
Ireland's lucy character and necessary roughness. I mean, what a
hot ass kicker.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
First of all, welcome to foot ball.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
How about Scott Bakula's form when he holds two. You know,
usually you just put the one arm up to catch
the snap. He goes with both arms. That's a very odd,
very odd. I like it, though. Number two has got
to be the kicker in the water Boy. I don't
even know what his name is, but he's just the best,
especially when he's doing the on side kick and he's
searching for his bitch. Oh yeah, there he is.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Bang.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
It's great.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
And and uh visualized what was what did coach clients say?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Visualized?

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Visualize your attack and visualized.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
And attack, visualized and attack? Yeah he uh?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
He imagined that the ball had like a clans again,
and he kicked it about fifty five yards right right.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
He shared his helmet with the water Boys, yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
The number one kicker though, is obviously Nigel Groth in
the replacements, no question. I think he's smoking on the field.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
No.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, Madden and some are all were great, good, especially
because Summer All has no sense of humor. Is he dead?
Yea yeah, well yeah, but Madden was funny and some
were all. Wasn't that made them?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I thought?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
A really good odd couple of broadcasting. Here here's the
one you wrote. Remember in the movie Semi Tough, which
was based on one of the great football novels ever,
the best football novel ever by Dan Jenkins, who was
a sports writer. He wrote a sequel called Life its
Own Self, which was great as well. Now Semi Tough
to movie with Chris Christophers and Burt Reynolds played the leads,

(28:04):
and it want no good like like Brian Denner. Brian
Denney was in a two Now it wasn't as good
as the book as probably the first way to put it.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
But they had a fourth kicker and didn't speak a
word of English.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
And in the Super Bowl their team they were Dallas,
I think they were down and there was a fourth
down and the kicker on his own.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Like wave back.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
The punting team went out and kicked like a sixty
five yard field goal to get them back in the game.
And like the coaches are arguing about what to do,
want to play, And also Burt Reynolds comes over since
it goes what's he doing out there?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
It just just blasts the ball and then.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Afterwards he like just shakes the referee's hand and walks off.
Then at the wedding between Chris Christofferson and the team
owner's daughter. This fight breaks out because she decides that
the last minute to not get married, so everybody fights everybody,
and he just goes up to one of the bride'smaids
and rips are dressed down and grabs her, which I

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guess that it's funny, but it's not the sort of
behavior I had. But kid death for sure. So I
don't know his name, though I think your three kickers
all rank ahead. I'm just you know, getting him in the.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Conversation now, I have to be honest. There was a
kicker on here or that I left off that I
might have put on. I'm just not sure. You're a
fan of the movie Ray Finkel out of Ace Ventcher
a pet detective Jim Carrey.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
I am not a big fan of yees. The only
Jim Carrey movie I truly love is The Cable Guy.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Oh that's a classic.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
It's it's it's maybe the best dark comedy ever.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
High praise.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I love And you know the movie was written for
and who was supposed to be the lead, Chris.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Farley as Jim Carrey's character or as Jim Cay. Okay,
I could not see that happening. Chris Harley was great.
He was also supposed to be Shrek, and then they
had to pivot and make that Mike Myers, the famous animation.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Is a Farley pass.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yes, but see, I'm not sure if the Cable Guy
was because disaster, because he turned it down.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm not sure if the exact time frame. I know
the part was written for him though.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
But Ray Finkel is a great kicker. I'm sure you've
seen parts of the movie. Finkel as Einhorn, ein Heern,
his Finkle.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's great. I just don't like I don't like the
mask either. I don't like the ace of been tour movies.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Truman Show, I bet you love the Tree. That's just
a good movie, like Chris Rock said.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
He said.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Jim Carrey getting all kind of critical praise for The
Trubman Show, he goes. Anybody could have played the Truman guy,
he goes, only one Mfort could play the guy in
Dumb and Dumber.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
That's actually a great point. That's probably his crown achievement
as a comedy, right, Dumb and Dumber. I think it
would have to be.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Soil like Cable Guy better.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
And I also think that carry took a slight bit
of edge off Dumb and Dumber because the sequel was
so bad.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Was bad Dumb and Dumber? Though it was more ef I'm.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Wrong, Dumb and Dumber two.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Was that the start of the trend to make sequels
decades later?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
I'd have been the first time that happened. No, I
don't think so. I don't know if we can pinpoint
it and pin that all on Dumb and Dumber two.
But it was such a problem, well, that movie was
so bad at like to blame it for what? Right
Dumb and Dumber. I view that a little bit of
a different light than The Cable Guy, because, like he said,
the Cable Guy's that dark comedy, Like it gets really
dark at times. Remember the part where he's talking on
the phone and the spider just crawls across his face.

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Like it's very creepy at points.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
I like the scene when Matthew Broderick realizes that Jim
Carrey set him up with a prostitute.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
When he like busts open the door and takes the
pictures at the party right.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right, and then they're having breakfast the next day and
he goes, oh, my treat.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
He goes, what do you mean kind of blackmails? Yeah,
I paid this time, you pay next time. No, he
wasn't then at the time, but like, like you mean
she was a prostitute. He goes, I don't know any
women to one hang out with guys like that's we're
not getting paid.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Matthew brought to get out of my house.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
That's another Broderick was so key to that, Like he
was just the perfect straight man who was abused by
this guy the entire time.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
I think Matthew brought it because it could be the actor.
Although you know what, it's incredibly overrated movie Ferris Bueller.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
I love Ferris Bueller, you know, such a good coming
of age. You love coming of age movie?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I do, But but I didn't like that Ferris Bueller
screwed what.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Was Alan Lamb?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (32:12):
His buddy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Him, just you know, I mean, And they made it
seem like a good thing because now he has to
face his dad and confront life.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
No, you wrecked his dad's car. There's no way his
dad shouldn't kill him.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Did you see how loaded Cam was in that movie?
That family? You just shut up and wait for that
inheritance check to hit buddy, all right, whatever, Dad says
a okay, sir.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, you know it was great in his cameo, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Sheen, Oh of course at the police station.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, tremendous. Jennifer Gray was good.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, dirty dancing, Yeah, I thought.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I thought the worst thing about the movie was Matthew Broderick.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
It's interesting because he really killed it. And I love
how they break the fourth wall, one of the earlier
movies to do that. Like he's talking to you almost
the entire movie.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Just now you're bringing up things that made me specifically
not like it.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Uh, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
We're gonna get back to more conventional sports wisdom just
around the corner. And we got a lot of great
guests today. Pierre McGuire joins me at three point thirty,
Mike de Fabo at four pm, Jonathan Bumboulli at four
thirty because we get out an hour early because the
Penguin games at six o'clock. Penguins Network pregame begins at
five o'clock, but we got the Hockey Night Show from

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four thirty till five o'clock. Uh So, do not go
anywhere except the Archies at six o'clock to watch the
game with me one oh five ninety x