April 4, 2024 • 21 mins
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not understand for the longest time,the Atlanta Hawks. They exist, but
they don't always dive. Mom.I did not know why the Atlanta Hawks
had pac Man as their logo,but I was reading their logo BACKWK.
You gotta look at it the otherway, right, the other way.
It is indeed a Hawk, butthat is a very common error. Yes,
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this is not the first time I'veheard this from somebody. And we
are in prime like scoreboard watching territorythese days. Does the Mavericks sit in
the five seed? A half gameup on Phoenix and New Orleans, one
game up on the Kings, twogames behind the Clippers. So every morning
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when you wake up, you haveto break out your paper and see how
did the Clippers do? And theSons and the Pelicans and the Kings.
It's the thing you must do inthese times. So enjoy your Mavericks basketball
and night right here in ninety sevenone the Freak your home of Dallas marriage
basketball. Have you guys seen abig old college football brew haha? That
(02:23):
is brew ha heeing. I've beenwatching with great interest. Have you are
you aware of the brew haw brewing? Michael mildly, I don't think I
have the level of interest in thisthat someone likes, say tc uh oh,
does Uh, so I had tokind of calmb my way through it
(02:45):
to decide what level of interest Ihad in this and where in this process
are we of this being a potentialthing. But basically, what is going
on in the world is we've alreadykilled the PAC ten twelve, right,
we murdered that conference. Yeah.We took all their teams and put them
elsewhere. Yes, And I willtell you this much. I don't like
the idea of SMU being in theBig East or whatever the hell they're going
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to be in THEACC. Yeah,okay, the ACC don't like it?
No, why not? Because Iwant teams around here to have a conference
of their own like they always have. Oh, you want the Southwest Conference
back? Yeah? Love the SouthwestConference back. I desperately want that too,
But that's not what SMU had.I'd rather them play Florida Southwest Conference.
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Yeah, but not not recently.Their schedule last year is their schedule
this year is a lot better thantheir schedule last year or any other schedule
they've had since the Southwest Conferences on. It may be, but I can't.
I can't get my head around FloridaState being a conference game for SMU.
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Yeah, it's weird and it's bad, but it's better than the alternatives
available. Yeah. No, peopleare ruining the sport. The South of
Conference should absolutely still exist. It'sa giant tragedy that doesn't and I think
that they should bring it back.Yeah, I also know that's not gonna
happen. It's a lot cooler whenthings are regional. But it turned into
this thing where it was all aboutlike the entire world of sports is now
(04:14):
about TV money. It's all aboutall of that. And when it's all
about TV money, if you're abig boy and there's a school that is
near you, but you're a bigboy and they're not, you just go,
well, I already have your TVmarket, So screw you, pal,
because if I play you, whatif you beat me, I don't
have anything to gain by beating you. But if you beat me, that's
bad. And we're not gonna getmore viewers in this area. They're already
watching because we're already in this area. And it's all really dumb. I
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do wish that we just did whatmakes sense, but we don't. The
almighty Dalla dollar bill, y'all.Yeah, I get that. Yeah,
and I'm going to all get offmy lawn here. No, I think
it's I mean, I think mostpeople agree with you in terms of you
know, what would make a lotof sense is if all the Division I
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schools that were in the same regionof the country was a conference. Doesn't
that make sense? But then there'sjust you know, the big boys squash
the little ones. Screw you runa long, little guy. It's the
natural order of things hitting college football. And I already forgot where some of
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the teams from the Pac twelve went, but I know there are some Pac
twelve teams that are literally on thePacific Coast that are now in the Atlantic
Coast Conference, which that's crazy.What are you going to do? Well?
And the answer to what are yougoing to do is maybe just blow
the whole damn thing up and startover in a whole different way. And
that's what is potentially brewing for collegefootball. What everybody goes all indy is
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that they create one gigantor league andthere are no more conferences, at least
not as we've known them. Andthe one thing that really piques my interest
about the general idea is there's anelement of promotion and relegation, which,
my god, do. I lovethat concept in sports, and we can't
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do it in our sports. TheNFL, at least, is currently constructed.
If you suck, you can't getrelegated to a lower league. Because
if the worst team in the NFLwent and played in the XFL or whatever
whatever that's called now the UFL,they merged, they would beat everybody by
one hundred and come right back andthere's no point. And a G league
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team is going to come play inand they get smoked and it's not even
They're not even the same thing.So it did work, but in college
football, with enough teams, itcould. So what we have is we
have a group of really influential peoplethat believe that it is going to require
massive change to save college football.That's the way they're kind of framing it
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is this thing is in trouble andwe have to save it. There's a
lot of lawsuits. So the lawsuitsthat have already happened have been pretty bad,
but the lawsuits that haven't happened yetbut are going to happen soon are
much much much worse. And whatare I'm trying to figure out my order
operations here, what are those lawsuits? I mean? There's one in California
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saying that now that everyone agrees thatyou should that players deserve some money,
wasn't that true ten years ago?And shouldn't you pay them back for that?
Oh, we get some back moneyhere? And then will that lead
to And since you're saying they deservemoney and you owe them money from when
you they deserved money, shouldn't theyalso get a cut of the TV money?
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Yeah? Probably, it's gonna behard for them to justify not what
about that free education they got?Yeah, they did give that free education.
That free education. The judges haven'tbeen super impressed with that so far.
So what it is is it's abunch of college presidents, Roger Goodell's
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number two guy in the NFL,and some of sports tough is who these
days. His name is in thearticle As I Go Down, Brian Roe
Lap huh So the first time I'mever hearing that name. So it's a
bunch of influential and powerful people inthe sports world. The biggest guy in
(08:16):
the whole thing is another guy whosename you've definitely never heard of, Len
Pirna, But he is the headof a company that you've also never heard
of. But I'm going to beable to explain their significance, which is
a turnkey ZRG. Turnkey ZRG isa search firm and all of your conference
commissioners and I think a lot ofathletic directors things of that nature. Turnkey
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ZRG is the search firm that sortof determines where people go with that sort
of thing. They're a power playerbehind the scenes. So this is the
outfit that protects guys like that.Yeah, it's sure that they've always got
somewhere to go. And the guywho's in charge of you know, this
organization that the Germans, who's goingto be the college president where or you
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know, athletic director where wants tokind of take it upon himself to try
to rethink how you do college footballand implement that now before the lawsuits tear
it apart, which I think generallyspeaking, the congressman from this end of
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the table votes I or yay,like, but I don't I can't claim
to know like the inter workings ofwhat exactly the institution of NCAA does.
But nothing right and so it's like, okay, so they even exist anymore?
Yeah, I mean they exist,but just you know, something like
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uh, just any of the othersports. How they operate. There's a
commissioner. There's a person who's taskedwith long term planning. You know,
whenever baseball won, institute a pitchclock. There's a guy who, you
know, can hire theo epstein towork out the details and then come in
and say this is how we're goingto do this, and you've got to
get the votes of the owners.But there's a person who can assign the
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project and make sure that it getsin. College football doesn't have anything like
that. You know, all theconference commissioners have a certain amount of power
that would usually be delegated to thesports commissioner, and so the NCAA guys
left with very little and so theymake rule changes, but it's very hard
to make any and you have toget buy in from all of the conference
commissioners, and the more people youhave to ask about making a change,
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the less likely the changes to happen. And this seeks to get rid of
all that. They want one organizationthat negotiates the TV rights as one organization,
that makes the schedule as one organization, and they would kind of,
you know, you'd have divisions,and I guess I'd really like to know
the details before I decide whether Ilike this or not about your division.
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Yeah, like, well, justthat's the thing that has to be fluid
that they're pretending doesn't need to befluid. Is the general idea behind this
is the top seventy programs, whichis the Power five currently the Power five
teams Notre Dame, and they saynew ACC member SMU had figured yeah,
they're a Power five program, they'dbe included. Those would be the permanent
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members, and all of the FBSschools would be eligible to be in the
Big Boy League. They're the promotionrelegation pool. Correct, you have sixty
teams that are playing that aren't partof the permanent seventy, and the ten
best get to play in the TopLeague, and then next year a new
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ten. If I'm in the TopLeague and I don't, I think they're
saying that there's a division of tenteams that would all be the promotion relegation
teams, and then everything else ispermanent. I'm not sure about how permanent.
I don't know the details, butit seemed like they were saying that
the ten promotion relegation teams would bekind of off in their own thing,
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right, and so if you're inthat group, then if you finish in
the but I don't know, Idon't I guess yeah, because that becomes
a division, and then whoever winsone that's below it, and then if
you're one of the worst ones inthe top one, you get flipped out
I don't know whatever. The divisionwinners go to the playoff, and there's
there's eight divisions. All those winnersgo to the playoff, and then there's
eight wild cards of just whoever hadthe best eight records aside from the division
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winners, and they go to theplayoff. That's sixteen team playoff. Pretty
clean and easy. But I'd reallywant to know about how these divisions get
composed because if it is that oneof these divisions basically looks like the Southwest
Conference, I love that if wecan make it so that that would get
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me interested in pretty quick. TexasOklahoma, Texas A and m TCU U
of h SMU Baylor Texas Tech allplay each other every single year. Okay,
I don't care about the rest ofthe details. I'm in Yeah,
I would like that. The problemwould be if you ended up because every
time they talk about doing something likethis. The article in The Athletic about
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it was essentially that you wouldn't havea committee to pick your playoff teams because
it's every division winner, there's eightand then the next eight are the wild
cards that have I guess the bestrecords or whatever. But I think I
do need a committee for my playoffteams because what if? Because what if
one of these divisions has Bama,Georgia, LSU and all of these teams
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in it, Like, I don'tcare if you went nine to two in
that division, I want you inover the team that went ten to one
in a division that doesn't isn't stackedlike that, which makes me think that
they will balance it competitively, whichmakes me nervous because right now then you'll
lose that being that Texas is ina division with Syracuse and I don't want
that. Now you're losing your SouthwestConference, which makes all of it very,
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very confusing to try to figure outwhat is the future of college football.
I don't know. Yeah, Butthe biggest thing I take away from
this article, and you know,I don't know. I wanted to give
a full air to discussing the idea. I think it's interesting. I even,
you know, like I said,depending on the details, possibly fervently
support it when you read the article. There is absolutely zero chance this ever
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comes anywhere close to happening they're talkingabout. I mean, you'd have to
be at least you'd have to waitfor TV rights to run out, yeah,
which is like eight or nine orten years. I bet, I
mean I think that. Yeah,So the SECS deal is through twenty thirty
four, all right, all right, we'll just here in a decade,
we'll be ready to rock. Butthen whenever they do run out, and
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I mean, and they don't expireall at the same time, the Big
tens expires twenty thirty so, likewhat, they're just going to go year
to year because they just love thisidea so much. I think you would
have to get I mean, forthe kind of thing we're talking about,
you know, like if you certainly, if you want to get the TV
people to tear up their current contracts, you would have to get their buy
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in. But given the power thatthey exert in sports, I don't know
that the end dates of those dealsmatter at all. You have to have
Fox and ESPN on board with anyplan that's going to happen. All of
the conference realignment stuff is one hundredpercent whatever the head of the sports division
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at ESPN and Fox want, that'sexactly what happens. And whenever they're talking
about this, they say that theACC board of Directors met with these guys
hurt them out. After that happened, every other meeting that they had planned
got canceled because the TV guys heardwind of this and said, you better
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cancel those meetings where it's going tobe a problem for you. So that
shows one that the conference people willdo whatever the TV people want, and
two that the TV people don't wantthis. They don't see it as an
advantage for them above the current system. And until they do well, they're
not the ones who are going toget happen. They're not the ones who
are gonna get sued either. Yeah. I mean, you know it would
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be bad for them if all oftheir partners were bankrupt. Yeah, that
would be unfortunate. I think theydo need to think through some kind of
like, you know, what doyou want to happen? Because the status
quo is not going to be goodenough. But if they're not on board
with this, then this is notgoing to happen, and it sounds like
they're not on board with it,so come up with something else. I
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also look at the list of likeall these guys have some power. You
could see how they would convince themselves. The head of the guy who places
all the athletic directors, the chancellorat Syracuse. Yeah. Yeah, Whenever
they go home and talk to theirwives, they talk like they're the guys
who run college football. But Ididn't see any name big enough to get
a massive change like this pushed through. I don't think these guys got the
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juice. I especially don't think theyhave the jews. If they're not aligned
with what the TV partners want,well, what kind of name would take?
I mean, it would be niceif it was the one of the
guys at Fox. Whatever the peopleat Fox want to have happened, he's
going to happen. Yeah, Imean the guy who they had this plan,
this plan would be in place tomorrow. Yeah, like the guy who
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places league commissioners. Like that's gotjuice, But it's some juice because like
right now, but it's not changedthe entire sport juice. Right. It's
a weird world we live in.In college football, at least right now,
because every negotiation they talk about about, like changing the playoff or whatever,
they essentially say the SEC and Bigten are also going to negotiate that
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they win, like they get anextra team in or a guaranteed team in.
And college football has already gotten intoa real wonky place where they're like,
yeah, we got four power conferences, but actually two who call the
shots. The other two y'all getto hang out with us. They're just
in a real, real weird place. Yeah, and that's why this idea
is so attractive. I think it'sa way big upgrade over. Just let
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the Big ten in the SEC cannibalizethe entire thing and at whoever they want,
tell everybody else to go to hell, and the playoff is us.
Yeah. The path that they're onright now sucks. It's terrible, So
I wish that these guys could getit done. One thing it does make
me worried about it is they're definitelytalking about paying the players, paying them
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full amount of money and just doinga lot of stuff that's going to take
some cash up full amount of money. I'm sure they'll have to work out
those details. I have no idea, you know, I mean, I
guess there'll be some kind of freeagency, let the market decide kind of
thing, but that's going to bewild in between, which it already kind
of does. But yeah, thisis where all the lawsuits are gonna come,
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because it's all very confusing what's happeningnow, at least to me,
where it's like I saw a thingabout a college football player with the coach
of a school was like, yeah, he said it was gonna take a
million dollars to keep him, andyou know, we were gonna get him
sven hundred and fify thousand, andI'm like, this is not nil h
this is not name image likeness,Like he got to deal with a brand
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negotiating a salary with your employee.Correct. We are currently in a place
where what they're doing is all ofthe schools have their boosters and they just
raise as much funds as they canand give it to whatever player to get
him to come play here, whichto me is great. That's called the
free market. Yeah, but we'repitching it as like they're getting endorsements,
which that's not actually what's happening.So we're in a real weird place and
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it's kind of like no one involvedin the system seems to complain about this,
but it's not a way that makessense for the money to come from
the boosters. Yeah, which,don't get wrong the TV contracts on this
correct, they should get paid outof the TV contracts. But then if
there are people who went to aschool and they're like, hey, I
want a player, I'll give youmoney to get that player. Cool.
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Yeah sounds great. Yeah, butso they're gonna need more cash in this
system, and their idea for gettingthat hash is to invite in private equity
partners, and that makes me prettynervous. I don't think that private equity
improves the industries that it goes into. They're basically holding you hostage at that
point, and being held hostage neverimproved, Like the lives of the hostages
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are not, you know, likeenriched by the hostage taking. So I
don't know. There's a lot ofrocks here that you could potentially run your
ship into, and I don't thinkthat the ship's going to leave the dock.
But it's interesting and I like talkingabout it. Well. In the
meantime, I am enjoying the currentversion of college football, where you have
to. Like every year there's aquarterback who's just like, well this one's
not working out or I don't wantto back this guy up. And I
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think it's fun that there is justwild ass free agency in college football every
year. I think it spices itup in my world. Yeah, love
it. It makes more competitive teams. Yeah, it's neat. That's the
best Dan Sports segment period. Comingup next, mister Dallas will swing through.
We'll get you all geared up forthe weekend. How about that. It's next
Are. We got that weekend warmup coming up here in just a bit.
Fun drive will be in an hourfrom right now. This, of
course, is the speakeasy I'm notsupposed to do this because we're encouraged to
that. You give us about fiveseconds to get where we're going. You've
already blown through those five and Ihave, and you've probably lost them because
(00:33):
I know this is not so comeback. But before we do, I
will tell you that I'm Mike Reiner, He's Jeff Kavanaugh, he's TC fleming
in for Julianne Dobbs today and overthe helmet shooping, and we're the speakeasy
man. Right now, there's this. This is the first damn Oh my
(00:59):
god, I'll tell you just asa quick note before we get to the
meaty topic of the best damn sportssegment period, make sure that you're locked
in this evening. As soon aswe are done, at six o'clock,
you'll have Dallas Mavericks pregame, andthen you will have a Dallas Mavericks basketball
game where we will be taking onthe team with the logo that I did
(01:19):
not understand for the longest time,the Atlanta Hawks. They exist, but
they don't always dive. Mom.I did not know why the Atlanta Hawks
had pac Man as their logo,but I was reading their logo BACKWK.
You gotta look at it the otherway, right, the other way.
It is indeed a Hawk, butthat is a very common error. Yes,
(01:40):
this is not the first time I'veheard this from somebody. And we
are in prime like scoreboard watching territorythese days. Does the Mavericks sit in
the five seed? A half gameup on Phoenix and New Orleans, one
game up on the Kings, twogames behind the Clippers. So every morning
(02:01):
when you wake up, you haveto break out your paper and see how
did the Clippers do? And theSons and the Pelicans and the Kings.
It's the thing you must do inthese times. So enjoy your Mavericks basketball
and night right here in ninety sevenone the Freak your home of Dallas marriage
basketball. Have you guys seen abig old college football brew haha? That
(02:23):
is brew ha heeing. I've beenwatching with great interest. Have you are
you aware of the brew haw brewing? Michael mildly, I don't think I
have the level of interest in thisthat someone likes, say tc uh oh,
does Uh, so I had tokind of calmb my way through it
(02:45):
to decide what level of interest Ihad in this and where in this process
are we of this being a potentialthing. But basically, what is going
on in the world is we've alreadykilled the PAC ten twelve, right,
we murdered that conference. Yeah.We took all their teams and put them
elsewhere. Yes, And I willtell you this much. I don't like
the idea of SMU being in theBig East or whatever the hell they're going
(03:08):
to be in THEACC. Yeah,okay, the ACC don't like it?
No, why not? Because Iwant teams around here to have a conference
of their own like they always have. Oh, you want the Southwest Conference
back? Yeah? Love the SouthwestConference back. I desperately want that too,
But that's not what SMU had.I'd rather them play Florida Southwest Conference.
(03:32):
Yeah, but not not recently.Their schedule last year is their schedule
this year is a lot better thantheir schedule last year or any other schedule
they've had since the Southwest Conferences on. It may be, but I can't.
I can't get my head around FloridaState being a conference game for SMU.
(03:53):
Yeah, it's weird and it's bad, but it's better than the alternatives
available. Yeah. No, peopleare ruining the sport. The South of
Conference should absolutely still exist. It'sa giant tragedy that doesn't and I think
that they should bring it back.Yeah, I also know that's not gonna
happen. It's a lot cooler whenthings are regional. But it turned into
this thing where it was all aboutlike the entire world of sports is now
(04:14):
about TV money. It's all aboutall of that. And when it's all
about TV money, if you're abig boy and there's a school that is
near you, but you're a bigboy and they're not, you just go,
well, I already have your TVmarket, So screw you, pal,
because if I play you, whatif you beat me, I don't
have anything to gain by beating you. But if you beat me, that's
bad. And we're not gonna getmore viewers in this area. They're already
watching because we're already in this area. And it's all really dumb. I
(04:36):
do wish that we just did whatmakes sense, but we don't. The
almighty Dalla dollar bill, y'all.Yeah, I get that. Yeah,
and I'm going to all get offmy lawn here. No, I think
it's I mean, I think mostpeople agree with you in terms of you
know, what would make a lotof sense is if all the Division I
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schools that were in the same regionof the country was a conference. Doesn't
that make sense? But then there'sjust you know, the big boys squash
the little ones. Screw you runa long, little guy. It's the
natural order of things hitting college football. And I already forgot where some of
(05:18):
the teams from the Pac twelve went, but I know there are some Pac
twelve teams that are literally on thePacific Coast that are now in the Atlantic
Coast Conference, which that's crazy.What are you going to do? Well?
And the answer to what are yougoing to do is maybe just blow
the whole damn thing up and startover in a whole different way. And
that's what is potentially brewing for collegefootball. What everybody goes all indy is
(05:43):
that they create one gigantor league andthere are no more conferences, at least
not as we've known them. Andthe one thing that really piques my interest
about the general idea is there's anelement of promotion and relegation, which,
my god, do. I lovethat concept in sports, and we can't
(06:03):
do it in our sports. TheNFL, at least, is currently constructed.
If you suck, you can't getrelegated to a lower league. Because
if the worst team in the NFLwent and played in the XFL or whatever
whatever that's called now the UFL,they merged, they would beat everybody by
one hundred and come right back andthere's no point. And a G league
(06:23):
team is going to come play inand they get smoked and it's not even
They're not even the same thing.So it did work, but in college
football, with enough teams, itcould. So what we have is we
have a group of really influential peoplethat believe that it is going to require
massive change to save college football.That's the way they're kind of framing it
(06:45):
is this thing is in trouble andwe have to save it. There's a
lot of lawsuits. So the lawsuitsthat have already happened have been pretty bad,
but the lawsuits that haven't happened yetbut are going to happen soon are
much much much worse. And whatare I'm trying to figure out my order
operations here, what are those lawsuits? I mean? There's one in California
(07:10):
saying that now that everyone agrees thatyou should that players deserve some money,
wasn't that true ten years ago?And shouldn't you pay them back for that?
Oh, we get some back moneyhere? And then will that lead
to And since you're saying they deservemoney and you owe them money from when
you they deserved money, shouldn't theyalso get a cut of the TV money?
(07:35):
Yeah? Probably, it's gonna behard for them to justify not what
about that free education they got?Yeah, they did give that free education.
That free education. The judges haven'tbeen super impressed with that so far.
So what it is is it's abunch of college presidents, Roger Goodell's
(07:55):
number two guy in the NFL,and some of sports tough is who these
days. His name is in thearticle As I Go Down, Brian Roe
Lap huh So the first time I'mever hearing that name. So it's a
bunch of influential and powerful people inthe sports world. The biggest guy in
(08:16):
the whole thing is another guy whosename you've definitely never heard of, Len
Pirna, But he is the headof a company that you've also never heard
of. But I'm going to beable to explain their significance, which is
a turnkey ZRG. Turnkey ZRG isa search firm and all of your conference
commissioners and I think a lot ofathletic directors things of that nature. Turnkey
(08:39):
ZRG is the search firm that sortof determines where people go with that sort
of thing. They're a power playerbehind the scenes. So this is the
outfit that protects guys like that.Yeah, it's sure that they've always got
somewhere to go. And the guywho's in charge of you know, this
organization that the Germans, who's goingto be the college president where or you
(09:01):
know, athletic director where wants tokind of take it upon himself to try
to rethink how you do college footballand implement that now before the lawsuits tear
it apart, which I think generallyspeaking, the congressman from this end of
(09:22):
the table votes I or yay,like, but I don't I can't claim
to know like the inter workings ofwhat exactly the institution of NCAA does.
But nothing right and so it's like, okay, so they even exist anymore?
Yeah, I mean they exist,but just you know, something like
(09:43):
uh, just any of the othersports. How they operate. There's a
commissioner. There's a person who's taskedwith long term planning. You know,
whenever baseball won, institute a pitchclock. There's a guy who, you
know, can hire theo epstein towork out the details and then come in
and say this is how we're goingto do this, and you've got to
get the votes of the owners.But there's a person who can assign the
(10:05):
project and make sure that it getsin. College football doesn't have anything like
that. You know, all theconference commissioners have a certain amount of power
that would usually be delegated to thesports commissioner, and so the NCAA guys
left with very little and so theymake rule changes, but it's very hard
to make any and you have toget buy in from all of the conference
commissioners, and the more people youhave to ask about making a change,
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the less likely the changes to happen. And this seeks to get rid of
all that. They want one organizationthat negotiates the TV rights as one organization,
that makes the schedule as one organization, and they would kind of,
you know, you'd have divisions,and I guess I'd really like to know
the details before I decide whether Ilike this or not about your division.
(10:52):
Yeah, like, well, justthat's the thing that has to be fluid
that they're pretending doesn't need to befluid. Is the general idea behind this
is the top seventy programs, whichis the Power five currently the Power five
teams Notre Dame, and they saynew ACC member SMU had figured yeah,
they're a Power five program, they'dbe included. Those would be the permanent
(11:13):
members, and all of the FBSschools would be eligible to be in the
Big Boy League. They're the promotionrelegation pool. Correct, you have sixty
teams that are playing that aren't partof the permanent seventy, and the ten
best get to play in the TopLeague, and then next year a new
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ten. If I'm in the TopLeague and I don't, I think they're
saying that there's a division of tenteams that would all be the promotion relegation
teams, and then everything else ispermanent. I'm not sure about how permanent.
I don't know the details, butit seemed like they were saying that
the ten promotion relegation teams would bekind of off in their own thing,
(11:58):
right, and so if you're inthat group, then if you finish in
the but I don't know, Idon't I guess yeah, because that becomes
a division, and then whoever winsone that's below it, and then if
you're one of the worst ones inthe top one, you get flipped out
I don't know whatever. The divisionwinners go to the playoff, and there's
there's eight divisions. All those winnersgo to the playoff, and then there's
eight wild cards of just whoever hadthe best eight records aside from the division
(12:22):
winners, and they go to theplayoff. That's sixteen team playoff. Pretty
clean and easy. But I'd reallywant to know about how these divisions get
composed because if it is that oneof these divisions basically looks like the Southwest
Conference, I love that if wecan make it so that that would get
(12:43):
me interested in pretty quick. TexasOklahoma, Texas A and m TCU U
of h SMU Baylor Texas Tech allplay each other every single year. Okay,
I don't care about the rest ofthe details. I'm in Yeah,
I would like that. The problemwould be if you ended up because every
time they talk about doing something likethis. The article in The Athletic about
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it was essentially that you wouldn't havea committee to pick your playoff teams because
it's every division winner, there's eightand then the next eight are the wild
cards that have I guess the bestrecords or whatever. But I think I
do need a committee for my playoffteams because what if? Because what if
one of these divisions has Bama,Georgia, LSU and all of these teams
(13:28):
in it, Like, I don'tcare if you went nine to two in
that division, I want you inover the team that went ten to one
in a division that doesn't isn't stackedlike that, which makes me think that
they will balance it competitively, whichmakes me nervous because right now then you'll
lose that being that Texas is ina division with Syracuse and I don't want
that. Now you're losing your SouthwestConference, which makes all of it very,
(13:50):
very confusing to try to figure outwhat is the future of college football.
I don't know. Yeah, Butthe biggest thing I take away from
this article, and you know,I don't know. I wanted to give
a full air to discussing the idea. I think it's interesting. I even,
you know, like I said,depending on the details, possibly fervently
support it when you read the article. There is absolutely zero chance this ever
(14:16):
comes anywhere close to happening they're talkingabout. I mean, you'd have to
be at least you'd have to waitfor TV rights to run out, yeah,
which is like eight or nine orten years. I bet, I
mean I think that. Yeah,So the SECS deal is through twenty thirty
four, all right, all right, we'll just here in a decade,
we'll be ready to rock. Butthen whenever they do run out, and
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I mean, and they don't expireall at the same time, the Big
tens expires twenty thirty so, likewhat, they're just going to go year
to year because they just love thisidea so much. I think you would
have to get I mean, forthe kind of thing we're talking about,
you know, like if you certainly, if you want to get the TV
people to tear up their current contracts, you would have to get their buy
(15:03):
in. But given the power thatthey exert in sports, I don't know
that the end dates of those dealsmatter at all. You have to have
Fox and ESPN on board with anyplan that's going to happen. All of
the conference realignment stuff is one hundredpercent whatever the head of the sports division
(15:24):
at ESPN and Fox want, that'sexactly what happens. And whenever they're talking
about this, they say that theACC board of Directors met with these guys
hurt them out. After that happened, every other meeting that they had planned
got canceled because the TV guys heardwind of this and said, you better
(15:45):
cancel those meetings where it's going tobe a problem for you. So that
shows one that the conference people willdo whatever the TV people want, and
two that the TV people don't wantthis. They don't see it as an
advantage for them above the current system. And until they do well, they're
not the ones who are going toget happen. They're not the ones who
are gonna get sued either. Yeah. I mean, you know it would
(16:07):
be bad for them if all oftheir partners were bankrupt. Yeah, that
would be unfortunate. I think theydo need to think through some kind of
like, you know, what doyou want to happen? Because the status
quo is not going to be goodenough. But if they're not on board
with this, then this is notgoing to happen, and it sounds like
they're not on board with it,so come up with something else. I
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also look at the list of likeall these guys have some power. You
could see how they would convince themselves. The head of the guy who places
all the athletic directors, the chancellorat Syracuse. Yeah. Yeah, Whenever
they go home and talk to theirwives, they talk like they're the guys
who run college football. But Ididn't see any name big enough to get
a massive change like this pushed through. I don't think these guys got the
(16:52):
juice. I especially don't think theyhave the jews. If they're not aligned
with what the TV partners want,well, what kind of name would take?
I mean, it would be niceif it was the one of the
guys at Fox. Whatever the peopleat Fox want to have happened, he's
going to happen. Yeah, Imean the guy who they had this plan,
this plan would be in place tomorrow. Yeah, like the guy who
(17:14):
places league commissioners. Like that's gotjuice, But it's some juice because like
right now, but it's not changedthe entire sport juice. Right. It's
a weird world we live in.In college football, at least right now,
because every negotiation they talk about about, like changing the playoff or whatever,
they essentially say the SEC and Bigten are also going to negotiate that
(17:37):
they win, like they get anextra team in or a guaranteed team in.
And college football has already gotten intoa real wonky place where they're like,
yeah, we got four power conferences, but actually two who call the
shots. The other two y'all getto hang out with us. They're just
in a real, real weird place. Yeah, and that's why this idea
is so attractive. I think it'sa way big upgrade over. Just let
(18:02):
the Big ten in the SEC cannibalizethe entire thing and at whoever they want,
tell everybody else to go to hell, and the playoff is us.
Yeah. The path that they're onright now sucks. It's terrible, So
I wish that these guys could getit done. One thing it does make
me worried about it is they're definitelytalking about paying the players, paying them
(18:25):
full amount of money and just doinga lot of stuff that's going to take
some cash up full amount of money. I'm sure they'll have to work out
those details. I have no idea, you know, I mean, I
guess there'll be some kind of freeagency, let the market decide kind of
thing, but that's going to bewild in between, which it already kind
of does. But yeah, thisis where all the lawsuits are gonna come,
(18:45):
because it's all very confusing what's happeningnow, at least to me,
where it's like I saw a thingabout a college football player with the coach
of a school was like, yeah, he said it was gonna take a
million dollars to keep him, andyou know, we were gonna get him
sven hundred and fify thousand, andI'm like, this is not nil h
this is not name image likeness,Like he got to deal with a brand
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negotiating a salary with your employee.Correct. We are currently in a place
where what they're doing is all ofthe schools have their boosters and they just
raise as much funds as they canand give it to whatever player to get
him to come play here, whichto me is great. That's called the
free market. Yeah, but we'repitching it as like they're getting endorsements,
which that's not actually what's happening.So we're in a real weird place and
(19:30):
it's kind of like no one involvedin the system seems to complain about this,
but it's not a way that makessense for the money to come from
the boosters. Yeah, which,don't get wrong the TV contracts on this
correct, they should get paid outof the TV contracts. But then if
there are people who went to aschool and they're like, hey, I
want a player, I'll give youmoney to get that player. Cool.
(19:52):
Yeah sounds great. Yeah, butso they're gonna need more cash in this
system, and their idea for gettingthat hash is to invite in private equity
partners, and that makes me prettynervous. I don't think that private equity
improves the industries that it goes into. They're basically holding you hostage at that
point, and being held hostage neverimproved, Like the lives of the hostages
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are not, you know, likeenriched by the hostage taking. So I
don't know. There's a lot ofrocks here that you could potentially run your
ship into, and I don't thinkthat the ship's going to leave the dock.
But it's interesting and I like talkingabout it. Well. In the
meantime, I am enjoying the currentversion of college football, where you have
to. Like every year there's aquarterback who's just like, well this one's
not working out or I don't wantto back this guy up. And I
(20:41):
think it's fun that there is justwild ass free agency in college football every
year. I think it spices itup in my world. Yeah, love
it. It makes more competitive teams. Yeah, it's neat. That's the
best Dan Sports segment period. Comingup next, mister Dallas will swing through.
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