The Week That Was – 28th April 2023

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And joining us in the studio for the week that
was on this fine Friday morning. Well, we've got the
opposition leader, Leo Fanocchiaro, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Morning, it's great to be back. Thank you for keeping
my chair for me.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Well it's been the Tory.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Corner free you got my name on it, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Feel good. We've got Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin.

Speaker 4 (00:20):
Good morning to you, and would you call this the
naughty corner over here with my comrade easy if good
morning and of course Paul Kirby who is the Member
for Port Darwin and the Minister for Small Business and
Major Events and various other portfolios.

Speaker 5 (00:38):
And between the thorns this morning.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Lucky bastard, lucky, good luck mate.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Ahead, all right, let's get into it, because there has
been so much happened. I feel like I say that
every single week, and every single week there is a
lot to talk about, and unfortunately, the ongoing issues with crime,
it is something that we continue to have to speak
about because those concerns continued to be raised right across
the Northern territory. I know that even overnight there was

(01:10):
an incident where a vehicle was stolen. As I understand
it and then crashed. We will get that further detail
when we get the latest in local news with our
very own Crystal Gordon a little bit later this morning.
But we also know well yesterday, I believe Kathleen on
nine News, Darwen police had released that body cam footage
of a terrible incident that had occurred earlier in the

(01:30):
week in the rural area where an alleged defender was
trying to flee and after going on a crime spreen
which started in Catherine, then culminated in him lighting the
stolen vehicle on fire.

Speaker 6 (01:42):
Yeah, that's right, So there had been vision that emerged
with him lighting the counter on firestron at a service
station there. He'd allegedly stolen a vehicle. I think it
was actually from Darwin. He's allegedly stolen that vehicle, headed
down to Catherine and done that and then headed back
into Darwin after stealing another vehicle, and police deployed I

(02:03):
think we counted it with six different units and had
some vision sent to us of them chasing him through
the rural area before he crashed into a tree and
then ran off and tried to hide from police.

Speaker 7 (02:15):
So a good response from the cop sea when he
does to get.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Him to the Northern Territory Police on that very hard
work and as you said, the dog scored and everybody deployed.
We also know then yesterday we'd heard from John Koenig,
who is the owner of John John's, about the impact
that the situation of crime is having on him and
his staff. He'd spoken to us on the show yesterday.
They're closing for a few days. He wanted to give
his staff a few days break due to, you know,

(02:41):
the concerns that they have got, those ongoing concerns that
they've gotten, and it is one of those things like
even last night we were in the city for dinner,
and three times in our short drive home, you know,
we had to stop. There was people who were intoxicated
on the road. You know, we understand that there's a
lot of people in town at the moment. I get that,
but there is you know, there is just there's a

(03:04):
lot of antisocial behavior and a lot of crime going on.
And I think everybody's I've said it, you know, for
several weeks in a row, we've all sort of just
had enough.

Speaker 7 (03:14):
Definitely, I mean at John John's, I mean he has
young staff.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, so you.

Speaker 6 (03:18):
Definitely can forgive any parent for not wanting their children
to have a job in the city that goes past.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Which is I you shouldn't have to worry about it.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
And this is the point that things have gotten to.
It's impacting on everybody's well being and everyone's state of
mind and everyone's lives. I'm talking to countless parents whose
children are fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. They're wanting to get into
work and the parents are too afraid to let them
do that. There are older people who are doing, you know,

(03:47):
they're twenty hours a week whatever it might be, in
their semi retirement, and they're really genuinely afraid. People are
too scared to catch the buses. People are thinking about
which shop am I going to go to, what time
am I going to go there? Where am I going
to path my car? It's literally every life decision, just
ordinary daily activities are becoming one that requires careful planning,
and it's impacting on the morale of our community, which

(04:10):
is incredibly low at the moment.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I've been the Chief Minister obade these comments during the
week and I've got to tell you, it fired people
right up. They were pretty upset about it. If you
miss this a little earlier in the week, take a listen.

Speaker 8 (04:23):
If you look around the world post COVID, people's behaviors
have changed.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
We see so what we're seeing in the Northern Territory
right now is a phenomenon that's being seen all around
the world.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
That is what evidence is showing us.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I'm going to be honest, I think that that's a
really embarrassing thing for the government to say. And so
do you think what we're seeing around the streets of
the Northern Territory right now is okay? No?

Speaker 3 (04:44):
So what are you doing to fix it?

Speaker 8 (04:45):
So we're working incredibly hard, giving police resources, also making
sure that we've got resources to back up territory families.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
So, as I said, people were pretty fired up.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I mean I was pretty disappointed, to be honest with you,
because I think that we, like ever everybody lives in
this town, we all live here. We all live here
because we want to see this place thrive. We want
to see not only Darwin, but the whole of the
Northern Territory. And whether it's Alla Springs that you're talking about,
whether it is Catherine, they seem to be having a
really hard spot at the moment, we're all quite simply

(05:17):
sick of excuses.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Look, I'm happy to put a bit of context. I
didn't hear what the Chief Minister said. I do understand,
and I think people would understand that the types of
crime that we've seen over the last couple of years
have changed, Like the demographic of people that are doing
crimes and types of crimes that are happening are things
that we haven't seen in society, in the territory before
and interstate, and I think that's the point that the

(05:41):
Chief Minister was trying to make. I did go to
Catherine the other day and stopped and spoke to a
lot of different people in There is a lot of
work that we need to do there, and there are
some kids that are still on the street that absolutely
shouldn't be on the street, and sometimes that leads to
things going wrong. Sometimes it's other people that have come
in from out of town. But there is a mountain
of work going on. I'm happy to talk through that,
but I'm guessing everybody here is going to want to

(06:03):
have something to say about it.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I guess if we're hearing something new, then people might
be more you know, all ears, but it just feels
like we're constantly hearing the same thing. It's the same rhetoric.
Now I did I heard it in a replay.

Speaker 9 (06:16):
What the chieftains have said about COVID is to blame
for this type of level of crime, and then that's
just rubbish. I mean, COVID did lots of things in
our society, did lots of things to us as humans,
you know, given the isolation, the lockdown, so there was
a lot of soul searching that went on, you know,
across the country, if not across the world. So to
say COVID is because because we've now got this violent

(06:37):
level of humans in our society, therefore COVID you know,
came before it. Therefore COVID course, that is just completely illogical. Wait,
completely illogical, Okay that aside, I do agree with you,
Paul the and I've said this before on this show.
The level and the type of violence is escalating. It's
violence with weapons, it's violence with knives, machetes, all of

(06:59):
that stuff, and things that are readily available to anyone
from a supermarket or any kind of corner store to
get something. Perhaps not machetes, but there's a couple of
shops in town that sell machetes and hardware and the
Bunnings kind of places, so they're readily accessible. So it's
just this wanton and good children's violence, and it's coming
from people who come from the communities predominantly, but not exclusively.

(07:20):
There's lots of other people around town that engage in
violent and criminal activity. So well, if they're coming to
town and becoming violent here, that means they're violent at their.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Home, so it's not okay, no matter, and sometimes they
get booted out.

Speaker 9 (07:33):
Of their communities because they're violence. So the problem just
comes into the city.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
I mean, we've got a situation from overnight, so yes,
two youths have been arrested following a break in at
the Palmerston Council. It's alleged that the pairs stole a
set of keys and took off in the vehicle at
about nine fifty last night. The car has since been
recovered and the duo are assisting police with their inquiries.
From the information that I've got there, I don't know
the ages of that pair or anything at this point,

(07:58):
but it is two youths by the sounds of things,
and there seems to.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Be two different types going on, like the really violent
one with the weapons, and then you know kids like
that doing stupid crap going and stealing things, and you
know which is causing financial and just ping ask for people, you.

Speaker 7 (08:18):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (08:19):
But I mean it is incumbent on government to find
what actually is going to have those consequences because there
just doesn't seem to be that care factor.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
You know, we saw those.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
Kids in Catherine, I believe that went in faces covered
with machetes, threatening that poor shop attendant who had already
been assaulted on the way home from a previous incident.

Speaker 7 (08:39):
And they're carrying the edge.

Speaker 6 (08:40):
Weapons that I think are covered under those recent bail changes, right,
which clearly doesn't matter to.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Them because they're lawless because our laws are two weak.
Our laws don't provide the support that police need to
be able to do their job. And what we're seeing
seven years after labor have come in and disempowered police
and weakened out laws is young people knowing what they
can do to basically wrought the system.

Speaker 10 (09:05):
They know what they're allowed to do and not allowed
to do.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
It shows that the Boo reform government did after Declan
Lavity's death was nothing more than window dressing. It hasn't
been a deter and it hasn't had that impact on
downward pressure on crime, and it's destroying people's lives.

Speaker 10 (09:20):
Katie.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I've been outdoor knocking for the last week or so
in my electorate. The number of people I've spoken to
who've had cars stolen, how that's impacting their life, not
only their ability to go to work and function as
normal human beings, but the cost, the anguish, the violation
they feel about having people in their homes.

Speaker 10 (09:38):
It's not okay.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
And people want action, they want the government to lead them,
and they've just completely given up. The feeling of hopelessness
is so profound at the moment, no matter where you
are in the territory, they're fighting over the market those
If you're listening.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
Lee, I agree with you, and I didn't agree with
the Boiol laws of the government board in because I
don't think they went far enough, and like you said,
they did interesting. But the other thing too, is this
whole group of people, this whole cold cohort in the
territory who are committing these crimes. They're not reading legislation, No,
they don't know that what has changed. So the only
way that's going to happen is if the government has
some kind of program or some kind of direction or

(10:15):
goes to communities, goes to the towns, goes across the church.
You said, right, these are the laws if you commit crimes,
this is what's going to happen. So you know, I
know it's a cliche to say you've got to get
tougher on crime, but we're at this stage in our
community where we have to be much much. It has
to do good as put wrap around services around all
these criminals.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
It's a thing. You can do.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Those things you can actually you can do early and
you can do those things, but you actually need to
stop criminal behavior, you know, and you need to support
the Northern Territory place. And I know that Paul Kirby's
going to tell us that they do support the police.
But we're still seeing terrible behavior.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Amonstrates, Yep, absolutely no lack of acknowledgment for us from
us that the behavior that we're seeing at the moment
isn't good enough.

Speaker 10 (10:57):
Cat is right.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
There are a different element to this if you consider
the youth element to it and the very young children.
We do know that you don't want to lock them
up and introduce them to a life of dealing and
associating with hardened criminals. But there has to be consequences,
and we have got areas and you heard just before
Christmas of people being taken or encouraged and dropped off

(11:22):
to safe sleeping accommodation down in Alice Springs, and I
think there's something that we have to do much much
more of. It's not safe for some of these young
kids to be out now. They are completely different problems
to the mature age people that we see in their
edged weapons. But to say that there is nothing happening
when every one of our jails through the.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Territory is over people, what you're doing is not working, Yeah,
I think that's more the argument at this.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
Point of feeling of mixed messages almost like I mean,
there is a lot of kids that are unfortunately doing
those very serious crimes, carrying those weapons because they.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Feel like they can get away with it.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
But then also on the flip side, the government raised
the age of criminal responsibility, which we hear evidence shows
we shouldn't be locking up kids, and no one wants
to see kids being locked up, but it was promised
that that wouldn't happen until those services supporting those younger
cohort would be in place, and we're hearing constantly that
it doesn't seem to be enough.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's right, they don't exist, because the thing is like,
how can you make those moves at this point when
we've got the issues that we are seeing on the
streets and you know, if we've got kids that are unsafe,
then you know, then we've got to make sure that
they are safe.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
But that doesn't give.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Them a right to go out there and break the law.
It doesn't give anybody right to break the law. And
I know that there's you know, we hear it time
and time again from the government that it's a complex situation.
We all understand that, but you know, just to sort
of step down to two houris Springs for a second,
because we caught up with earlier in the week and
we'd also spoken to him about a week and a
half ago, Gavin Morris, who's the principle of you Purna School.

(12:53):
Now we know that Yapriynya is indeed really trying to
get the boarding.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Element of the school up and running.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You know, we're talking about a school that actually he
has been really honest and said that there are kids
that go to that school that are out on the
streets at night.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
There are kids that have been locked up.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
There are kids that have been sexually abused, abused all
sorts of different scenarios. Yet they're still going to school
the next day, which demonstrates it's a safe space to God.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
And how hasn't he received that funding already? I don't know,
mind that he's having to fight so hard for it
when there is clearly an example of what he's offering
is working for those kids.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, because a lot of what's happening, unfortunately from the
labor government is ideologically driven, and that's not making anyone's
lives safer. You know, we've got a situation where young
people are clearly requiring care and protection and a different
type of response and intervention in their lives to support
their rights as young people to live and be happy

(13:52):
and safe and nurtured. And then you've got kids who
are having severe offending destroying other people's lives to this government,
you know, really refuses to deal with in a punitive way.
But the therapeutic support is not working either, so these
kids just continue to go undealt with effectively, and then
you have the adults and we're in the same position.

(14:12):
You just look at how our police are so unable
to deal with problem drunks.

Speaker 10 (14:16):
Because the powers for police aren't there.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
And you know, you can say it's complex, and a
lot of it is, but also there are some really
simple things you can do to make our community safer.
It just needs to be the number one focus of
this government. It should be keeping people safe, not protecting
the rights of.

Speaker 10 (14:32):
Criminals to continue to destroy people's lives.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Absolutely is the number one priority of our government. And
there's always a balance between your long term visions and
making sure that your laws and your policies are set
right and the short term reactions to the things that
are happening on our streets. As I said, if our
watch houses and every one of our jail cells are
for that jail that we only opened a few years
ago is full. You look into State, Townsville and different

(14:56):
places that Katie, you've got family in Townsville. You must
hear the thoughts from over there as well.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So it's not as bad as it is here.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
And I think it's really quite you know, like it
actually makes me a bit angry when the likes of
cans and towns were used as as examples. And I
know that they've definitely got youth crime issues, but I
tell you what, you don't feel unsafe getting up and
going for a run in the morning in cans or
Townsville because there's not people that are intoxicated around the
place that you're not sure what's going to happen. I

(15:25):
know that the youth issue and obviously the public intoxication
issue are two very different things, but public safety is
at the heart of all of that, and I think
that that's, you know, if I could get one message
across to the government that is really I think what
it is is that it's that public safety element where
people are no longer feeling like they're safe to go

(15:46):
out and do their usual things that they ordinarily want
to think, you know, and it's not like I guess
the other thing is that like for me, it's reached
a point where it's not like I just want to
have a goal at the government about it, or I
want to have at the opposition about it. It's actually
more reached to point now where I just actually really
want Territorians to get together and try somehow for all

(16:10):
of our politicians to sort it out, because we actually.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Can't continue on in the way that we're going.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
We can't have a situation where a gelado shop is
closing for the weekend because they don't feel safe.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
As we come into our peak season as well, and
this is the problem. Peak businesses are having to make
really difficult decisions. They're closing earlier to try and protect
their staff, They're spending a lot of money reinforcing their business,
or they're shutting. You've then got the situation where people
are making decisions not to go here, not to go there,
not to do this. It's impacting everyone's daily lives. But

(16:43):
you know, there are solutions, Katie. We can stop the
revolving door of bail by dealing with repeat and violent offenders.
We can make breach of our condition and offense. You
can re empower police to be able to deal with
problem drugs.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
How do we deal with though, you know the point
that Paul Kirby's made there that the jails are like,
how do we deal.

Speaker 9 (17:01):
With people have committed crimes, that's why they're full. Let's
not be around the bush.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
What do you do? Do you build another one?

Speaker 9 (17:07):
Well, yeah, build another jail if you've got if your
jails are overflowings because because they've got.

Speaker 7 (17:11):
A few billion dollars just in the side pocket, keys.

Speaker 10 (17:14):
Build shade structures and you might have more money.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
Be really the types of money that we're talking about.
I think the last one that we opened a few
years ago was half a billion with everything. The costs
that have gone up with construction p eight billions just
for the record, so that'll be closer to two billion
dollars to build the next one. So yeah, we haven't
got that type of money sitting in our back pocket,
but certainly they need to speak.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
You can't leave people on the street, can you're doing
the right thing?

Speaker 10 (17:40):
Just what's happening.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
So if you look at Darwin as an example, we
certainly have opened up bat and Road in a range
of different facilities that haven't previously been so we have identified, Yes,
we do need different places, more places, reinvest in Larichie patrols,
the blue shirt patrols around the street, lighting and activation,
making sure that the sobering up shielder is a well resourced.
So there is a range of stuff that's going on.

(18:03):
But yes, there are a host of people in town
that might not normally have access to the alcohol that
they've got access to in darn and it does create
some problems and we'll continue to work on that.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
But we're seeing escalation in the type of crime because
the consequences aren't there.

Speaker 10 (18:18):
That is what is happening.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
People are doing knife crime, edge weapon crime, violent assaults,
all of these things because the consequences aren't there. People
are lawless. There is these brazen It's not even at
nighttime anymore. These are daylight brazen attacks in full public.

Speaker 10 (18:34):
You know, I just literally had and you've.

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Got a federal MP having to call the police commissioner directly.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, look it's broken. Yeah, we are going to
take a very short break. You are listening to Mix
one O four nine's three sixty. It is the week
that was. Now we have spoken a little bit about
the situation in Alice Springs, of course around well we've
spoken a lot about the situation around crime in Alice Springs,
but we've spoken a little bit about the situation with
the footy, and earlier in the week we spoke to

(19:03):
the mayor of Alice Springs about the fact that well,
the dispute is really taken another step. I think you'd
have to say, well, it's taken too probably since Monday.
But earlier in the week, the ABC had reported that
the AFL had said that it was considering pulling the
annual Melbourne Demons match from Alice Springs unless the town

(19:23):
council reverses its decision to bar community football from Trager Park. So,
according to the report, in an email to the council,
the league said that it would review the viability of
holding the Round sixteen match between the Melbourne Demons and
GWS Giants in.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Alice In June.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
The Alice Springs Mayor Matt Patterson had told us on
the show that you know they weren't going to be
held hostage to the AFL and their bullying attitude is
what he'd said. I mean, it's a this is a
really difficult situation. I think.

Speaker 9 (19:51):
I think it's just from what I've listened to and
what I've read. If AFL management and TEA has done
that or said that to the Alice Been counsel, that's disgraceful.
How do we friends and influence people, not you know,
like the as best I understand it, the Country League
Football Carnival that's held in Ollie springs that has been
Council says, no, you can't use our grounds. We need

(20:12):
a break from all the people coming into town and
staying into town and some of them creating the problems
we've got. That's one issue. Having the AFL match between
the Demons and the Suns is a completely different matter,
and that's between the Anti Government AFL. So exactly, I'm
buggered why they think they can use that as a
bargaining tool to force the Council to do something.

Speaker 10 (20:29):
Actually, Paul, I see them.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
You're the Minister for Major Events, so really this is
your call. You could say to AFL you have to
play this game.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Look, we're in negotiations. I spoke with Matt yesterday and
Sean Bowden and not dropping down into distinct and prescriptive detail,
but I did say to them, have a think over
the weekend. It's a long weekend obviously on Tuesday, or
get in touch with them and try and see if
we can find some common ground that we can all
move forward from. I think everybody acknowledges that they they

(21:00):
really want that Demon's game to go ahead. Talking to
the Demon's hierarchy, the Melbourn Footy Club hierarchy. They love
going to Alice Springs. It's so important for the town.
So we absolutely want that to happen. So without getting
too positional about it, I know that Susanna from major
events and you see of the major events, Court was
down in Melbourne today talking with people down there. She's

(21:22):
doing a great job and she's very very keen to
make sure that still goes ahead. So we'll work with
everyone and try and make sure.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
We can work out.

Speaker 10 (21:29):
It's taxpayer.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
They're like, it's contracted, the taxpayer pays for it. This
is not a gift from territory labor. This is a
territory funded, taxpayer funded football match that happens in Alice
Springs and those people in that community deserve the economic
driver that it is. They deserve the lifestyle opportunity it presents.

Speaker 9 (21:47):
And also don't forget lea, it's good for the football
clubs because they do recruitment. Yes, the people are there's
a young fellow out youth activities.

Speaker 10 (21:56):
We need to keep an eye on him for future
absolute scout.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You know, the Sons have got a young lad that
they identified last year that's still in their training programs.
To have Maddie Wheel and leem Jarra and people like
that from Central Australia come back to Central Australia and
get out and do some of those programs and events
with kids. Nobody's denying it's a special event. We had
Parchment just last week that there was almost record numbers

(22:21):
there apart from a couple of nights at cops and rain.
So people will still turn out for those big events.
It's a massive part.

Speaker 10 (22:27):
If we don't exist, it's a massive.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Part of what we need to continue to do and
we'll continue to do that. We'll try and keep people
together and find some common ground next week and work
away through it.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
I think it's more reflective of the AFL threatening to
take this away from that with over a Stawstrever community
football with the counts, I mean, but on the council
for sticking to their guns if they believe that it's
going to improve their town, not encourage extra anti social
behavior given the issues that we're seeing. They're good on them,
and I mean I can't see there being anything wrong
with the rest of the community football traveling around different

(22:59):
communities might even lead to some upgrades of those ovals
in those areas and the amenity in the community. Maybe
the AFL should be investing that well.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
And that's I guess the other side of the argument.
And then there is the argument that you know that
it is to the detriment of the wider football and community,
and that football does obviously do a lot in terms
of promoting that healthy lifestyle, and you know, and what
do they say, get the kids in sport and out
of court, which.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
I obviously thoroughly agree with the responsibility the L has
a responsibility to encourage that lifestyle and.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
To get some of those kids who are causing issue.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
You look at quantaft programs and all the wonderful things
the Stars programs. I don't think there's any denying that
that AFL can be a big part of how we
move forward in Central Australia. And we just need to
continue to work, make sure that game does go ahead
and make sure that we put all the support.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Can't make that call, it's government, So ultimately the leadership
needs to be coming from you, Paul as a minister
and Attah of Bars as a chief minister to say hey, sorry, SOFL,
this is out of your control. You're doing it. But
it speaks to a bigger, broader problem for towns like
Alice Springs where major events are under threat because of crime.

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We saw Parcherma move out of the mall and now out.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
Into the desert Park.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
There used to be activities for Parchmer in the CBD
that had to get moved a couple of years ago
due to crime. This whole discussion around the AFL game
is because of the fact that of crime.

Speaker 10 (24:22):
So it's a bigger problem.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Crime is literally impacting every facet of our lives and
the big decisions like this.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
That's quite creck kate because poor Alic Springs they lost
about four or five major conferences for this year and
next year because of the perception that it is unsafe
motorbike events for their visitors. So you know this, I
agree with Li. This is an empty government matter. They
are funding it, They are underfunded. They are the ones
who have contracts with clubs, and it's just a bit

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of leadership.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Just commit.

Speaker 9 (24:53):
It's a bit like sometimes I get the distinct impression
this ENTI goverment just can't call a spade a big
bloody shovel, you know, just tell them.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, we'll get to one of those in a moment.

Speaker 9 (25:03):
Tell them the match is going ahead.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
How it springs bull days. I mean, look, I totally agree,
and I do think that you know that I agree.
I think the government needs to stand up and goes
do you know what, this match is going ahead. We've
paid good money to make sure that this partnership goes ahead,
and there are other benefits to this partnership.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I mean, we saw it with the NRL just.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
A week or so ago and Alice Springs, you know,
they deserve that. The people of Alice Springs, the people
you know, the surrounding areas deserve that.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
They deserve to be able to have that footy match
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Kirby, and I'm hoping that we're.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Going to make it happen.

Speaker 5 (25:42):
Look, it's it's a lovely spot to be in in
opposition and as an independent to say this is absolutely
the hard line that you need to take. The truth
of governing is that you always have to find some
common ground in the middle. These two bodies have got
opposing positions about a particular thing, and I've hadsolutely guaranteed
that I will assist them to mediate through it next week.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Essentially used as a.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Pawn in the in the discussions about the Central Australian
Football League and other games.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
If I was a fedting terroristle, which I'm not not
by the way, I did win on the Collingwood win
it up, but I did win money on that match
for Collingwood to win, even though I don't support them.
I would say IFL say let's take the game to Darwin.

Speaker 10 (26:33):
But the counsel have made a decision.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
About community football is distinct from the fact that the
Northern Territory Government has a contract for AFL games to
be played in Alice Springs. They are totally fundamentally different things,
and for your government to then be conflating the two
and trying to be some sort of peacemaker is ridiculous.
You have a contract, territories are paying for it. The

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community in Alice Springs deserve to have that game, need
to have that game when you are equally seems like
the Northern Territory government wants this to be a leverage
point to push counsel around.

Speaker 10 (27:06):
I mean there really is. They're completely separate issues.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
So you're either not willing to back in the game
and tell AFL what their contractual responsibility is, or you
like the fact that you can use this to push
the Alice Springs Council to make a different decision on
community games.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
It's not about pushing anybody if you step into the
debate properly, and I won't drop down here in the
absolute specifics, but we know that facilities and communities for
community based football to go ahead to the level that
a lot of people would like. That debate's been going
on for a long time. They're really expensive facilities to upgrade.
So we're happy to have that debate, but that's not

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something that we're going to fix overnight. What I'm saying
is that we will absolutely step into the space. We
will try and mediate between these two different organizations that
have taken pole or opposite positions at the moment.

Speaker 10 (27:55):
And work away through it.

Speaker 5 (27:56):
If there needs to be variations work three, absolutely do that,
but our prime focus is to find some common ground.
Everybody knows that that game is really important to Central
Australia and will continue to try and work through to that.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, look, we are going to have to take a
bit of a break. You are listening to Mix one
oh four nine's three six stick now one of the
other big announcements throughout this week.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
But well, if you've just joined us.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Let me just remind you who's in the studio with us,
versely Paul Kirby, Geezier Puric, Kathleen Gazola and Leofanocchiaro. Now
I do want to just talk about the Northern Territory
and the impact of the Defense Strategic Review. Now, this
is obviously a huge announcement that was made earlier in
the week by the federal government and the territory's defense

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capabilities and well it's looking as though they're going to
be bolstered well more than three point eight billion dollars
in federal funding to harden Australian bases. So Robertson Barracks
is going to share one billion dollars with Townsville's Laverick
Barracks as well as THEBAF Tindall has also been identified
as a critical base in the Defense Strategic Review. There

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is no doubt that this was really interesting, really interesting situation.
I think that a lot of people were sort of
reading through and starting to learn more about on Anzac
Eve when the Prime Minister came out with this announcement,
and the big question from territorians is what does it
mean for the Northern Territory.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Richard Miles obviously.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Here yesterday and I'm sure meeting with the Northern Territory
government it seems as though there is going to be
quite a large defense spent well in the territory.

Speaker 10 (29:27):
I'm not so sure, Katie.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So I think what's important to know is there was
eight billion dollars put aside for the territory, eight billion
just for us, not shared with anyone. You've got the
Labor government coming to town yesterday saying that there's three
point eight shared across Queensland, Northern Territory and Western Australia.
There was no breakdown given of how much of the

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three point eight the territory was going to get, and
it was also not made clear whether that three point
eight is actually being taken from our eight billion, which
in our it.

Speaker 10 (30:00):
Should be entirely just for us.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
So I'm very concerned about the level of commitment and
whether there is a shift to Queensland and Western Australia
for this.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
He can be I think, honestly, when you look at
at the Northern Territory strategic importance, I don't think they
can be.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
We are the only it's been bombed.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
We are the only we're the only location you realistically
to the north.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, but the review raised some serious challenges with the territory,
which is why I questioned the commitment. So it raised
logistical challenges around the Stuart Highway. It's said that there
was not security of supply, and it also said that
our aviation regiment would be moved to Townsville. So we're
going to lose up to another three hundred people out
of Darwin, so there's a definite shift. We're also losing

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manufacturing to Adelaide.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
But then mass was.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Saying yesterday that we'll go out that the defense force
was going to grow, but I can't remember the exact number.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Do you significant He didn't have a specific number as
to how much, but he said that there would be
growth over the ten years, and he acknowledged that there
would be movement, yes, depending on what units and the
like are based here.

Speaker 7 (31:03):
And I mean that the topic around supply chains.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
Just shows that years of failure from federal governments of
both strives, failing to actually deliver on their promises to
upgrade roads and rail and all the rest of that.
You know, that's that's both sides from federal government.

Speaker 9 (31:18):
That's over decades. I mean we've I can recall a
year where all three highways were out because of flooding.
No I know, the bridge on the Western Australian side
was meant to be built to sustain one hundred year
kind of flood and it hasn't.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
And every time there's a promise, it's always passed forward estimates.

Speaker 9 (31:34):
And yeah, that's one of our most vulnerable points for
the well for the topics the Stuart Highway is the
fact that water will take out our roads and our railway.
So somehow, if we're going to be such a major
hub and military destination, then somehow those weaknesses have to
be addit.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
But that's why I'm really worried about this because we've
seen words sort of talking around the commitment to the territory,
nothing solid. And if we we have infrastructure deficits that
Western Australia and Queensland don't have, we will see an
increasing capability in places like Townsville because they don't have
to put the investment in to secure those supply roots.

Speaker 10 (32:11):
They already exist.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
And so I think there's some serious explaining to do
around is our eight billion still on the table, Is
there going to be the federal money to upgrade the
Stuart Highway and sure up those routes, or are we
just going to continue to see troops moved out of
Darwin and of course that money moved elsewhere.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Absolutely spoke with Richard Mirles yesterday a commitment from him
that this is just the tip of the iceberg, not
the end of the endgame. I think only the corp
could look at three point eight million dollars at billion
dollars and call that bad news.

Speaker 10 (32:41):
Is our eight still there? Because that's three point eight is.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Not for us. The Fedroom Minister absolutely committed yesterday that
this is the start of some very very long relationships.
We have seen the north of Australia be really found
out with those flood events over recent months, so absolutely
needs to be something that will keep an eye on,
will continue to work on. We absolutely know that not
everything can be based in Townsville because there's a lot

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of space to the north here in Darwin and across
of northwestern Australia and there's some big expanses of land
to cover and will certainly be hand in hand with
the federal government doing all that.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
The other thing that obviously we spoke about with Richard
Miles yesterday as well on the show. I know that
it was also raised throughout the press conference. Is the
port and that review that's underway into the port at
this point in time, because when you talk about you know,
our logistics, and certainly when you talk about infrastructure, which
is important, the port is a piece of that infrastructure.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
Yeah, and there's a separate review around that, which is
what Richard Mass said will be coming out. He basically
alluded to it being imminent really, so you'd imagine you'd
expect over the next couple of weeks or.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
So that he said he couldn't tell me how many weeks,
but he.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
Said very soon.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, So he did acknowledge just how strategically valuable that
asset will be, obviously in relation to the defense review.
And it goes to the question of well, how do
you take it back? And the money I mean that
money that have to be compensated to Landbridge to get
it back, like money it could be better spent elsewhere
in the issues of the Northern Territory.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And then on top of that, are they going to
put the investment into the port that it requires. I mean,
this is really serious and Paul you know, you tried
to make it sound like that three point eight billion
is for the territory.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
It is not.

Speaker 10 (34:24):
It is for three states. What is our share? That
was not made clear yesterday and you have not been
able to say that our eight billion.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Is still on the table. I mean this is this
is how people are putting food on their table. Let's
not muck around. Besides the strategic importance of it, tradees,
defense is the only game in town, the only game
in town because your government has failed on major projects
and if this dries up, people will literally be out
of work and aren't able to stay here.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
There's a range of other projects that are going on
outside of defense, but if we just concentrate on if
we just concentrate on defense alone, through our procurement and
making sure that our bilocal programs. We've absolutely worked really
closely with Defense and their major contractors to make sure
that those massive contracts that come, whether it's Larachie or

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into the Darwin specific areas, get broken down. You look
at Larika at the tinder layer base and the work
that's going on there a majority of local contractors that
are now able to do that work because we've worked
with Defense we've worked with the senior contractors to get
those programs and those big areas of funding broken down
so that local contractors can use it. So we absolutely
know they're going to continue to invest in the in

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the Northern Territory and it won't be a fi FA workforce.
There'll be locals that have.

Speaker 10 (35:36):
That work well.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I think it's very important that that work is local,
keys very quick con before we move on.

Speaker 9 (35:41):
A couple of years ago I went to a briefing
buy the Army people because at that stage they had
approval through the Senate Committee Estenate Committee for seven hundred
million to be invested into the territory. And the reason
I went to it because a lot of the money
was going to Robertson Army barrackses close to where I live,
and that works underway now I can see it happening.
And also they were doing things out at Bradshaw for
something seal the airstrip out there about one point two

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kilometers of airstript beings seld s would be a massive job,
and doing some stuff at Tindall, but for example the
Robinson Army Barracks area across the road from them, they're
they're developing a firing range, and they're also developing a
large course where people go and practice driving whatever tanks
or big trucks or something.

Speaker 10 (36:17):
So there is that I know that's work way, but
is the rest of it coming through?

Speaker 9 (36:22):
So that's a seven hundred million dollar commitment just for
the territory. But I haven't seen the reports. So I'm
going to get the report and try and track down
and get some sense out of this funding commitment, like
is it really coming to us or we've.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Got to share going into share well, and it is
something that we do need to make sure that we're
clear on now. I do want to move on because
there is so much to discuss this week, and obviously
Howard Springs it has been a really.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I'm a bit of a the other way to put it,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And after weeks of saying that there was only wear
and tear out of Howard Springs, the Chief Minister had
to admit throughout the week that there were other issues
that led to damage out.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
At Howard Springs.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
We know that you know Howard Springs fair enough that
it has been utilized to evacuate people from those flood zones,
and nobody is suggesting that you know that that is
not should not be the case. But the problem here
is is that there's been a small number of people
that have done the wrong thing, and really very much
done the wrong thing by the sounds of it. I

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don't understand realistically why the Chief Minister went down the
path of saying that it was just wear and tear.
I think that if she'd come out straight from the
get go and said we've got some people that have
vandalized the area or broken windows or done whatever, there
would not be so much egg on her face at
this point in time.

Speaker 10 (37:41):
And that's coming.

Speaker 7 (37:42):
You and I have talked about Katie, like what was
the strategy behind it? I understand her.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
I think maybe she was trying to ensure that all
the people that were staying there weren't going to be
painted with the same brush. But I don't think anyone
that would have done that if I'd said that there's
a small group of people causing issues, because I mean,
that's just society.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
To cover up another cover up.

Speaker 9 (38:01):
It can't be that difficult to narrow down who the
perpetrators were, Like, let's say six hundred.

Speaker 7 (38:07):
People security vision.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
Let's those six hundred people all have names, and they
all would have been given a room. They just didn't
arrive on a bus and were told go find a room,
they would have been allocated room. There'll be names attached
to rooms, I would suspect, I would hope. And then
if there's damaged to individual rooms, surely then you know,
if it's not the family who was staying in that room,
then they sure as hell can tell the authorities who
was the fire extinguishers, who broke the toilets, who trashed

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the mattresses, who trashed windows? Those? And why is it
that you need a thirty thousand dollars contract from what
I believe to be I suspecting a quantity surveyor would
do that work to assess the level of damage. Thirty
thousand dollars consultancy.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
For a construction company to a construction company who won
that he won that tend up?

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (38:52):
Yes, but it means there are major structural problems.

Speaker 9 (38:57):
Struct problem so then you're going to have to get
engineers in to work out if you've got to fix things.
But we're talking about electrical mechanical apart from the physical
lass And I've told you before, I think Katie on
this show. There were skip bins out there, just stuff
being loaded up. And also, so don't forget these people,
apart from getting funding, I don't know what it was
the payments to be there, and that's okay because they've

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lost all their home and possessions. But there was also
full catering. There was full catering out of that site
for three meals a day for every individual. Now I
will be doing some questions on notice to get to
the bottom of the cost of rebility.

Speaker 7 (39:32):
No doubting or appearance estenates.

Speaker 9 (39:35):
I'll get I'll get a crappy thing back saying, oh,
we're getting ready for estimates. You can ask your questions.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
That's a week.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I mean, it's become it's brought a political issue. I
think it has been Minister.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
You know, it's an image situation when her deputy comes
out first and admits that there's damage, and then the
Territory Families Minister a few days later does it, and
still again she says it's where and tear to Then
finally a week after the yes, now I've got the advice.

Speaker 9 (40:02):
It just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
It makes people think that you're being dishonest. It really
makes people think that you're being dishonest. But I think
for me, at the heart of this is and I
think that sometimes what happens, you know, with our politicians
and three of you in the studio this morning, is
that sometimes people focus so much on their opposition, whether
you're in labor or whether you are in the CLP
or whether you're an independent, that you forget that it's

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real people that actually want to know the answers to
these questions, and so forget, well, that's good Keysier, the
real people get that's the thing. It's real people that
were saying, hang on, I'm concerned about what's going on
out there. And you know, the Chief Minister had said
to us on the show, it is wear and tears.
She then doubled down when she was interviewed on the
ABC and said that it was wear and tear. And

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then I think it was a day later, Kathleen, you
had the Deputy Chief Minister on nine News saying that
it was more, you know, it was more than just.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Wear in tear, and don't think into the impression that's
what was going to come from that press conference all
of a sudden, very much in.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Light and we had two tenders come out prior to that,
So prior to the Chief Minute, prior to even the
Deputy Chief Minister coming out, there was the thirty thousand
dollars tender two days before that, and a week or
two before that was the one hundred thousand dollars tender.
The Mattresses and Natasha Files continued to cover this issue up,
continued to be dishonest with the community.

Speaker 9 (41:21):
Badly managed, Katie. If the Chief Minister believes that that
damage is where in Tear, what the hell are those
people doing out in their Aboriginal communities with their houses?
Is that why we've got the problem with Aboriginal housing
in the bush being wrecked and trashed the way it
is where in Tear.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Now, I don't know why, Honestly, I don't know what
she was thinking when she'd said that, and I don't
know whether the advice was bad. She had said to
me that was the advice that she'd been given.

Speaker 9 (41:47):
Just bad advice.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
But yeah, the other thing too, she said.

Speaker 10 (41:49):
You can't blame bad advice, you make up your own.
She is the Chief Minute. Sorry.

Speaker 9 (41:55):
Well, one thing I saw them press release from government.
They've taken out these commendation pods to I think maybe Darga,
argu and Coquering. Youll all of them, all of the
above for temporary until they get their proper houses fixed.
I will put money on it now. Those temporary prods
will not be able to reuse once I've been out
in those communities. That will be a cost that would
have to be written off.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Well, look, and that is not good at all, Curbs,
I mean, what do you make of this whole situation?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Did the Chief finishter get bad advice? What's happened?

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Well, I was actually over the last couple of weeks
been in Catherine Tennant and Alice Springs, so haven't had
the opportunity. We know the Chief Minister is down in
camera today at National Cabinet, so I haven't spoken with
her directly about the advice that she was getting on
the infrastructure. Minister had been out with some different people
at Howard Spring so obviously the advice was conflicting that

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the Chief was getting at the time. Look, we know
that anytime we have to evacuate people at really really
short notice, there's going to be a cost no matter
what or where we have to try and house these
people at really short notice. Over the line period of time,
there won't be the capacity to house people here. There'll
be there's other contractoral arrangements that the government will try
and into into for this facility, and we'll be back

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to the stage of whether we have to put tents
up at Robson or show grounds, at the showgrounds or
anywhere else to try and house people. So we'll certainly
work through Obviously, if they have to be repairs done
out there, we will work through that and make sure that.

Speaker 10 (43:23):
It is up to speed.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
Those pods or the accommodation coreters out there that were
built for workers to work in out there right from
the get go, like they were, they're not temporary, but
they're you know, they're they're not massive, they're not brick buildings.
They're certainly small, little accommodation units for individuals to stay in.
So I can understand how they would be damaged if

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some people have gone.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
I think anyone.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
I don't think anyone is against housing these people at
how it's not what's going to be a longer period
of time.

Speaker 7 (43:58):
I mean, they shouldn't be stuck.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
Actually, the respect of the facility that is paid for
by tax payers, and I mean there's there's vision been
posted online by Action for Alice of someone walking through
the facility, bordered up windows, graffiti on doors, mattresses flung
out at the front of the buildings.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
It looks like an absolute mess.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Fundamentally, it is a it's a territory asset. It is
a Northern Territory asset. It is everybody's asset. It costs
a lot of money to maintain every single year. You know,
when the government made the decision that they were going
to take it on after it was handed over by
impects people going is this the right move for us?
You know, can the Northern Territory continue to sort of

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to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
It's ended up being a really great asset.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
So, you know, good on the government for having the
foresight to take it on and think, all right, we
might be able to use this as something because it's
been incredibly beneficial over recent years. But I just think
that at the end of the day, what we expect
from our politicians, and I don't think that it's too much,
is for people to be honest and to be open
and to be transparent.

Speaker 6 (45:09):
And you know, they have caused damage that small group
of people because it's not the majority they are exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
But for the Deputy Chief Minister to have to come
out and admit it, and the Chief Minister to continue
to pretend it wasn't happening was astonishing.

Speaker 10 (45:23):
And you know what, one week later, where's Nicole Madison
on the other side of the world. I don't know
if that's a.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
I don't know, but interesting.

Speaker 10 (45:34):
Quickly she was out of there.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
I think you know from your experience those overseas trips
take a long time to put together. They can be
canceled at short notice, but they do take.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
A long time.

Speaker 10 (45:44):
We are going to have to tell you what they're canceling.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
We're going to have to take a very short break.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
sixty Before we wrap up, though, we know that we've
got a situation with the Children's Commissioner, and the Northern
Territory Children's Commissioner is indeed seeking compensation over the misconceived
attempt to prosecute her. We also have a situation where
we are waiting for an outcome when it comes to

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the Northern Territory Police Commissioner. So, according to The Australian
newspaper earlier in the week, the Northern Territory Police Commissioner
Jamie Chalker is holding off on filing his evidence against
the Chief Minister for another week, in a move that
suggests the parties might be negotiating an imminent settlement in
the costly case. That is what was reported by the

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Australian newspaper Paul Kirby, Is there any update on that situation?

Speaker 5 (46:34):
Oh, look, at any stage you're in negotiations, there are
tender times when you don't want to be speaking about
them and upset the negotiation. So they are absolutely progressing.
But yeah, I won't add any commentary to that because
they are at a very tender stage and we're absolutely
committed to continue to work through that.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Well, what Territorians want is this to be resolved, because
while Natasha Farz is spending her time preparing her for
her cross examination in the Supreme Court, who is leading
the territory out of this crime crisis? And that's what
people are so disappointed about. Our poor police are now
in a holding pattern until this is resolved. And at
a time when we have a crime and police crisis,

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this bungle by Natasha Farz couldn't have come at a
worse time.

Speaker 5 (47:16):
I think the person that's leading the chief Minister the
Northern Territory is the chief Minister. She's down in National
Cabinet at the moment, so there's absolutely no doubts there.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
Well where I just think the government just better have
a big purse. I've got quite a few payouts coming.
Why does missioners and commissioners and commissioners. Then they've got
a massive bill to clean up Howard Springs. So budget's
coming up to most So it'll be interested to see
where these bits get. How much to pay out this commissioner,
how much to pay out that it won't be known, well,

(47:45):
it won't be I know that we died all settlements,
I get all that, but you know how much to
tidy up Howard Springs? How much to fix this up?
How much for the pods that are going out to
Dagga Argue.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
They're all very good questions, Caiz, Yeah, very good questions. Indeed,
we might have to get in here to help out sometimes.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
And now a quick message from Jerry Wood. He likes
to get in contact. Jerry.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
He's messaged and said single workers' quarters would never go
in to be suitable for Aboriginal families out at Howard
Springs weedyit of all family should have take with Catherine Showgrounds.
Hey Jerry, well that is it for the week that
was this morning.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Opposition leader Leothan Oki are always good to have you
on the show. Thank you.

Speaker 10 (48:21):
Great to be back. I just wanted to do a
quick shout out to Autism and Tee.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
They have their annual Autism Walk tomorrow morning at Sunset
Park from eight thirty am Sunset Parks in Nightcliffe. Do
you want to come down spend money on the barbecue,
raise money for Autism and Tee.

Speaker 10 (48:34):
I know they'll appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Wonderful stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Nine News Darwin's Kathleen Gazzola, thank you for your time
this morning.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Easier, Thank you, Paul.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Kirby, thank you very much. Ty Festival tomorrow down at
the waterfront, the Kids Barrow Classic for anybody that's down
at the Daily and May Day on Monday, Happy Union
Christmas to all that homrade out there.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Cathen you're going fishing at you this summer. We'll be
at the Daily Monday Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (49:08):
Hostfully getting to wed a line, so make sure people
aren't in the boats, aren't running away from me, please, Good.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Stuff thank you all so much for your time this morning,
and we will catch

Speaker 1 (49:17):
You again next well next week actually I'll be away,
but we'll have a week that was when I get
back the following week