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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wanting me in the studio right now is the opposition
leader Leo fanocchi Airo.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning Leah, Good morning Katie and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well, i'll tell you what bit of a change of
tact I think you'd have to say by the Chief
Minister just a short time ago after really revealing no
detail about the police commissioners for the former police commissioner's payer,
and we are still none the wiser as to how
much it's going to cost. But the Chief Minister saying, well,
sort of the opposite to what we heard last week,
(00:27):
that she is prepared to provide a treasurer's advance if
required to the Northern Territory Police if they are out
of pocket as a result of this payer.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, we know they are out of pocket, Katie, and
the treasurer. When it pains to tell me why they
couldn't get a treasure as advanced, the Police Minister said
she would not be asking for a treasure as advanced.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And so it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Now on radio that the Chief Ministry is making comments
about it, because she certainly didn't say that in front
of me yesterday during estimates. So again, this is a
Chief Minister whose sole purpose in life is to manage
the media, not the territory, and I think it's all
bluff and bluster after what has been a very bad
fortnight for the Labor government.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So do you reckon that they're actually going to be
prepared to top up the budget if needed.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
No, I don't have any confidence in that whatsoever. This
budget we saw a measly one point eight million dollar
increase in territory funds to the police budget, despite the
high rates of attrition, the overworking of our police, and
of course the insane levels of crime. And now this
impact to the bottom line on police in the Chalker
(01:37):
payout is just another blow to our cops who are
beside themselves trying to fight the good fight and keep
themselves sane. It's just an untenable situation for our community
to be in. And yesterday in estimates, the Chief Minister
made it very clear that crime is not her responsibility.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Leah, why do you think that Territorians deserve to know
how much this payout has.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Cost because the community feel, you know, it is their money,
you know they have ownership over it. Of course, I
think the predominant reason is because it was a Natasha
Files's bungle. If there had been a better process or
performance management process or any of these other things, then
they wouldn't be a payout. But because it was clearly bungled,
(02:19):
the taxpayer is now on the hook. And to have
unveiled last week in estimates that it's our police paying
the price has just captured people because territories feel so
bad for our police who go out every day to
protect us. They're not supported by the government and now
this is just another.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Blow to them. It's just more buck passing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And we saw that yesterday the Chief Minister, when at
great lengths to make everything someone else's problem, someone else's fault,
absolved herself of all responsibility for crime and any action
you would expect from your leader to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So it was very disappointing to see the least.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Another important piece of information which was claimed and I
asked the Chief Minister about this as well. Is that
revelation that you guys made from estimates that police have
worked one hundred and fifty nine thousand hours of overtime
in the financial year to March thirty one. Now, the
Police Association President Nathan finn says that that's on average
five hundred and eighty hours per day. If you divide
(03:18):
that by an eight hour shift, it means at least
seventy two additional officers are needed each day to meet
current demand.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
How soon?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I know you guys have pushed for a review,
but let's step away from that for a sec. How
soon do you think that this review that has been
agreed to through the EBA negotiations, how soon do you
think it needs to happen?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It needed to be done years ago, Katie, it could
be done immediately. This is something we asked the Police
Minister about again. They're relying on some sort of new
IT system where there's no date insight for that.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I mean police Jason.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Finn said that that is not required. He said you
can do it without the electronic rostering. He said he
wants it before the end of the year. The Chief
Minister just said on the show that she thinks a
good period of time to gauge would be April May June.
So going back and looking at those months up until
the end of this month, I think, well, let's start
it in July.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Let's start the review in July.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
This is a nonsense and what we've seen over the
last week and a half and I, you know, Territorians,
I feel really bad for you because this is a
government deliberately trying to trick and deceive you. They say
one thing under oath in Parliament and they say another
thing on radio. When I asked this the Police Minister
about this review in parliament, she said that they had
(04:39):
to wait for the system. She said pockets of work
had been done so that perhaps later this year it
could be provided to an independent person to undertake the review.
You've got the Chief Minister making it sound like they
could do it even faster. The reality is is that
there is no political will to get this done. When
we can do rough mass on the back of an
envelope Katie that show we need seventy two extra police
(05:02):
a day, it is not rocket science. You get someone
who's very intimately has intimate knowledge of how police forces run.
They come in, they look at everything and they make
their assessment. We do not need Natasha Files or Kate
Warden packaging up nice little pockets of information that they
want to give someone so that it's a carefully scripted review.
(05:24):
This needs to be open up the doors, turn the
light on and let someone go in there and support
our police so we can have a strong community and
a strong police force.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I think that's a fair enough call.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Now overnight, Samara Lavity, Decklon Lavity's mum has taken to
social media to really take aim at the Chief Minister
and what she sees as lack.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Of action around crime.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It follows your attempt s yesterday in estimates to get
some information about the government's response to crime. Now Samara
is questioning why the Chief Minister is not doing more
around bail laws. Leah, have you seen that post?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I have.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's heartbreaking, gut wrenching, and I've spoken to Samara Lavity
many times and this is just this situation of escalating
crime across the territory is not okay. The increases in
the number of deaths, the knife crime, the violence. People
can't take it anymore. You and I both know, Katie
(06:23):
and your listeners are acutely aware. People are changing how
they live their life. They're deciding am I going to
go to the shop, what time am I going to go?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Will I bring the kids?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You know, they're really every facet of our lives is
now under very careful planning. You know, will the kids
sleep in their own bedroom? Tonight or am I going
to have.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Them in my room?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You know, these are the conversations I have with the community.
And so when Declan was killed, Natasha Files came out
with a press release to again manage the media. Not
the issue around stamping out knife crime? I asked her repeatedly.
They were my first questions to her yesterday around you know,
what's the KPIs on this?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Have you stamped out knife crime? Where is this policy
up to?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, she used those famous comments around we want
to stamp out knife crime before it takes hold, And
I asked her, do you think it's taken hold? She
just refused to answer any question, showing complete disrespect and
disregard the single biggest issues in our community. And even
worse was that she explained that she's now taking all
(07:23):
crime and basically fobbing it off getting it out of
chief ministers.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So it's not even her responsibile.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So, Leiah, you obviously think there needs to be some
really serious change when it comes to bail. You've spoken
about that before. Yes, just explain to our listeners very simply, Yes,
exactly what you want to see when it comes to
the bail change. We don't believe that if you are
a violent offender, that you should go before court or
(07:49):
police and have everything in your favor to be bailed.
And what we want to see is serious violent offenders,
whether or not they have a weapon, because we know
as territories you can inflict a lot of pain and
suffering and misery on someone with arms and legs and head.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know you can.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It doesn't matter if there's a weapon or not. If
you're a serious violent offender, you should not be given
the privilege of a starting point where you should be bowed.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You start with.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The comment that she said that it's police who decide.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
This is a government again blaming police for their own failures.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So you know, the police don't decide whether that person
gets bailed or not.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
All police can only bail someone if they comply with
the laws.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And the laws are broken.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
They are broken, just like territorians are on this issue.
And for our government to know that they have weakened
b oil laws, refuse to make them stronger and then
turn around yesterday and today and point the finger at
police and say it's up to them. It's what she
effectively said today, Katie was police are letting criminals out
on the street. That's what Natasha faz is saying. It
(08:56):
is a disgrace. This is the leader of our jurisdiction.
This is the person who's sole job is to keep
us safe and provide opportunity for our family, and she
has failed.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So you want the lord to change so that it's
the police aren't having to make that difficult decision.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We want to make it easier for police and the
courts to be able to say no, you're not going
to get bad.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Remind people on custody.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Make it easier so that that criminal rocks up and
is on the back foot. Why should the criminal have
all the rights and our community be left to barricade
themselves into their businesses and their homes.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Lea, we are going to have to get ready to
wrap up. We've got the Lord Mayor just outside waiting
for his turn to come in. And I know you've
got to get two budget estimates. Hey, it's being reported
obviously that the i CAAC is more than a million
dollars in the red embracing for a further reduction. The
Chief finisters saying this morning it is not a reduction.
There was always going to be additional funding in those
(09:51):
first three years to get the eye CAC up and running.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Do you think that this is do you know lock?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
What do you make of this? Do you actually think
that the IKAK needs further funding?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
What do you reckon needs to happen here?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, it wasn't even just the ik We had all
three scrutiny heads in front of us yesterday, the Ombudsman,
the Order to General and the IKAK, and all of
them said they are under serious budget pressures. They've either
had cuts or they're going to have to look to
cut stuff, or they're going to have limited ability to
conduct investigations. This is a government that promised to be
(10:25):
open and transparent. They've been anything but that. And to
have witness after witness come forward yesterday and say that
this government is not giving them the capability to investigate
what they need to shows that this government will stop
at nothing to shut down any scrutiny on their performance.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Leah Finocchiaro, thank you very much for your time this morning.
We'll let you get into back into budget estimates, no
doubt we'll talk to you
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Again, So thank you, take care, Thank you,
Wanting me in the studio right now is the opposition
leader Leo fanocchi Airo.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning Leah, Good morning Katie and your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well, i'll tell you what bit of a change of
tact I think you'd have to say by the Chief
Minister just a short time ago after really revealing no
detail about the police commissioners for the former police commissioner's payer,
and we are still none the wiser as to how
much it's going to cost. But the Chief Minister saying, well,
sort of the opposite to what we heard last week,
(00:27):
that she is prepared to provide a treasurer's advance if
required to the Northern Territory Police if they are out
of pocket as a result of this payer.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, we know they are out of pocket, Katie, and
the treasurer. When it pains to tell me why they
couldn't get a treasure as advanced, the Police Minister said
she would not be asking for a treasure as advanced.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
And so it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Now on radio that the Chief Ministry is making comments
about it, because she certainly didn't say that in front
of me yesterday during estimates. So again, this is a
Chief Minister whose sole purpose in life is to manage
the media, not the territory, and I think it's all
bluff and bluster after what has been a very bad
fortnight for the Labor government.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
So do you reckon that they're actually going to be
prepared to top up the budget if needed.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
No, I don't have any confidence in that whatsoever. This
budget we saw a measly one point eight million dollar
increase in territory funds to the police budget, despite the
high rates of attrition, the overworking of our police, and
of course the insane levels of crime. And now this
impact to the bottom line on police in the Chalker
(01:37):
payout is just another blow to our cops who are
beside themselves trying to fight the good fight and keep
themselves sane. It's just an untenable situation for our community
to be in. And yesterday in estimates, the Chief Minister
made it very clear that crime is not her responsibility.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Leah, why do you think that Territorians deserve to know
how much this payout has.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Cost because the community feel, you know, it is their money,
you know they have ownership over it. Of course, I
think the predominant reason is because it was a Natasha
Files's bungle. If there had been a better process or
performance management process or any of these other things, then
they wouldn't be a payout. But because it was clearly bungled,
(02:19):
the taxpayer is now on the hook. And to have
unveiled last week in estimates that it's our police paying
the price has just captured people because territories feel so
bad for our police who go out every day to
protect us. They're not supported by the government and now
this is just another.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Blow to them. It's just more buck passing.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
And we saw that yesterday the Chief Minister, when at
great lengths to make everything someone else's problem, someone else's fault,
absolved herself of all responsibility for crime and any action
you would expect from your leader to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So it was very disappointing to see the least.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Another important piece of information which was claimed and I
asked the Chief Minister about this as well. Is that
revelation that you guys made from estimates that police have
worked one hundred and fifty nine thousand hours of overtime
in the financial year to March thirty one. Now, the
Police Association President Nathan finn says that that's on average
five hundred and eighty hours per day. If you divide
(03:18):
that by an eight hour shift, it means at least
seventy two additional officers are needed each day to meet
current demand.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
How soon?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I know you guys have pushed for a review,
but let's step away from that for a sec. How
soon do you think that this review that has been
agreed to through the EBA negotiations, how soon do you
think it needs to happen?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It needed to be done years ago, Katie, it could
be done immediately. This is something we asked the Police
Minister about again. They're relying on some sort of new
IT system where there's no date insight for that.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I mean police Jason.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Finn said that that is not required. He said you
can do it without the electronic rostering. He said he
wants it before the end of the year. The Chief
Minister just said on the show that she thinks a
good period of time to gauge would be April May June.
So going back and looking at those months up until
the end of this month, I think, well, let's start
it in July.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Let's start the review in July.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
This is a nonsense and what we've seen over the
last week and a half and I, you know, Territorians,
I feel really bad for you because this is a
government deliberately trying to trick and deceive you. They say
one thing under oath in Parliament and they say another
thing on radio. When I asked this the Police Minister
about this review in parliament, she said that they had
(04:39):
to wait for the system. She said pockets of work
had been done so that perhaps later this year it
could be provided to an independent person to undertake the review.
You've got the Chief Minister making it sound like they
could do it even faster. The reality is is that
there is no political will to get this done. When
we can do rough mass on the back of an
envelope Katie that show we need seventy two extra police
(05:02):
a day, it is not rocket science. You get someone
who's very intimately has intimate knowledge of how police forces run.
They come in, they look at everything and they make
their assessment. We do not need Natasha Files or Kate
Warden packaging up nice little pockets of information that they
want to give someone so that it's a carefully scripted review.
(05:24):
This needs to be open up the doors, turn the
light on and let someone go in there and support
our police so we can have a strong community and
a strong police force.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I think that's a fair enough call.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Now overnight, Samara Lavity, Decklon Lavity's mum has taken to
social media to really take aim at the Chief Minister
and what she sees as lack.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Of action around crime.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It follows your attempt s yesterday in estimates to get
some information about the government's response to crime. Now Samara
is questioning why the Chief Minister is not doing more
around bail laws. Leah, have you seen that post?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I have.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
It's heartbreaking, gut wrenching, and I've spoken to Samara Lavity
many times and this is just this situation of escalating
crime across the territory is not okay. The increases in
the number of deaths, the knife crime, the violence. People
can't take it anymore. You and I both know, Katie
(06:23):
and your listeners are acutely aware. People are changing how
they live their life. They're deciding am I going to
go to the shop, what time am I going to go?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Will I bring the kids?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You know, they're really every facet of our lives is
now under very careful planning. You know, will the kids
sleep in their own bedroom? Tonight or am I going
to have.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Them in my room?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You know, these are the conversations I have with the community.
And so when Declan was killed, Natasha Files came out
with a press release to again manage the media. Not
the issue around stamping out knife crime? I asked her repeatedly.
They were my first questions to her yesterday around you know,
what's the KPIs on this?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Have you stamped out knife crime? Where is this policy
up to?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know, she used those famous comments around we want
to stamp out knife crime before it takes hold, And
I asked her, do you think it's taken hold? She
just refused to answer any question, showing complete disrespect and
disregard the single biggest issues in our community. And even
worse was that she explained that she's now taking all
(07:23):
crime and basically fobbing it off getting it out of
chief ministers.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So it's not even her responsibile.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So, Leiah, you obviously think there needs to be some
really serious change when it comes to bail. You've spoken
about that before. Yes, just explain to our listeners very simply, Yes,
exactly what you want to see when it comes to
the bail change. We don't believe that if you are
a violent offender, that you should go before court or
(07:49):
police and have everything in your favor to be bailed.
And what we want to see is serious violent offenders,
whether or not they have a weapon, because we know
as territories you can inflict a lot of pain and
suffering and misery on someone with arms and legs and head.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know you can.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
It doesn't matter if there's a weapon or not. If
you're a serious violent offender, you should not be given
the privilege of a starting point where you should be bowed.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
You start with.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
The comment that she said that it's police who decide.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
This is a government again blaming police for their own failures.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So you know, the police don't decide whether that person
gets bailed or not.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
All police can only bail someone if they comply with
the laws.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
And the laws are broken.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
They are broken, just like territorians are on this issue.
And for our government to know that they have weakened
b oil laws, refuse to make them stronger and then
turn around yesterday and today and point the finger at
police and say it's up to them. It's what she
effectively said today, Katie was police are letting criminals out
on the street. That's what Natasha faz is saying. It
(08:56):
is a disgrace. This is the leader of our jurisdiction.
This is the person who's sole job is to keep
us safe and provide opportunity for our family, and she
has failed.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
So you want the lord to change so that it's
the police aren't having to make that difficult decision.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
We want to make it easier for police and the
courts to be able to say no, you're not going
to get bad.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Remind people on custody.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Make it easier so that that criminal rocks up and
is on the back foot. Why should the criminal have
all the rights and our community be left to barricade
themselves into their businesses and their homes.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Lea, we are going to have to get ready to
wrap up. We've got the Lord Mayor just outside waiting
for his turn to come in. And I know you've
got to get two budget estimates. Hey, it's being reported
obviously that the i CAAC is more than a million
dollars in the red embracing for a further reduction. The
Chief finisters saying this morning it is not a reduction.
There was always going to be additional funding in those
(09:51):
first three years to get the eye CAC up and running.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Do you think that this is do you know lock?
Speaker 1 (09:58):
What do you make of this? Do you actually think
that the IKAK needs further funding?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
What do you reckon needs to happen here?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Well, it wasn't even just the ik We had all
three scrutiny heads in front of us yesterday, the Ombudsman,
the Order to General and the IKAK, and all of
them said they are under serious budget pressures. They've either
had cuts or they're going to have to look to
cut stuff, or they're going to have limited ability to
conduct investigations. This is a government that promised to be
(10:25):
open and transparent. They've been anything but that. And to
have witness after witness come forward yesterday and say that
this government is not giving them the capability to investigate
what they need to shows that this government will stop
at nothing to shut down any scrutiny on their performance.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Leah Finocchiaro, thank you very much for your time this morning.
We'll let you get into back into budget estimates, no
doubt we'll talk to you
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Again, So thank you, take care, Thank you,
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