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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, as we have just heard from the mayor Matt Patterson,
the government has indeed decided to extend those takeaway alcohol
restrictions in Alice Springs. They say that evidence has shown
that alcohol related emergency department presentations in Alice Springs Hospital
have reduced by a third and domestic violence is halved
since those restrictions were introduced. Now, along with police consultation,
(00:22):
they've also seen a decrease in alcohol related harm as
well as assaults, and the number of children protective custody
notifications has also decreased. So at this point in time,
the government's saying that the restrictions will be extended twelve
months to eighteen months, but they are going to continue
to continue I should say, to monitor that data and
(00:44):
remain agile with their policy settings. Now joining me on
the line right now to talk more about this is
the opposition leader Leah Finocchiaro.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good morning to you, Leah.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Good morning Katie to your listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Lea, is this the right decision?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think this is admission by Natasha Philes that she
doesn't have a plan to address alcohol in the Red Center.
I mean it comes off the back of her disastrous
decision to let Stronger futures lapse without a plan in
place to deal with it. And the fact that she's
just going to roll on with these emergents what are
supposed to be emergency restrictions for up to another eighteen
(01:20):
months without addressing the bigger issue, which is demand for alcohol,
shows that she's got no plan at all and no
idea how to fix this problem.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I mean, if the evidence is showing though that alcohol
related emergency department presentations have reduced by a third, domestic
violence has halved since the restrictions were introduced. And you know,
yesterday on the show, we had the acting Police Commissioner,
Michael Murphy on saying that their recommendation was to extend
the alcohol restrictions. Shouldn't we be listening to the police.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, the issue is that Natasha Philes lifted Stronger Futures
without a plan in place. We had the Prime Minister
come to Alice Springs to had to do her job.
We had a fake promise of two hundred and fifty
million dollars which still hasn't been spent to support that town.
And now we've got cherry picking data. I mean, we've
seen ourso bring up shelters in Alice Springs come out
(02:13):
and say they've never been fuller. We've got BDR data
which shows that volume of alcohol is actually higher. So
it's a very difficult situation. And until this government decides
it wants to deal with the demand for alcohol, not
just the supply and of course police resourcing, then we're
never going to see a better solution for a safer
(02:35):
community going forward.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
This really I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I definitely understand what you're saying, and I can see
it from that perspective as well. But would you go
against what the Northern Territory police want if you were
in power.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's not about going against police. What police is saying
is that it's helping them because their resources are so low.
And that's because this is That's not what.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The commissioner said yesterday. He didn't say that it's because
their resources are so low.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
He said that it is.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You know that it's seen a reduction across a various different,
various different areas. So I guess what I'm asking is,
would you not extend the restrictions if you were in power?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, what I would do if we were in power
is make sure that we're dealing with demand and that's
something that isn't part of Natashaphial's plan for the town.
We also need greater police resourcing so that we can
take pressure of men and women on the front line
and make sure we're providing proper levels of service. And
this is something that's been plaguing the whole Northern Territory
(03:34):
is the fact that this government has overseen some of
the worst periods in history for our police force. High
attrition rate, low morale, we've got higher crime than ever before.
The pressure on them to do more with less is huge.
And now her answer to a town looking for a
plan going forward is for more reviews. I mean, this
government's got a bail review, a knife crime review, a
(03:55):
police review and now an alcohol review that people don't
feel like there's any plan for any element of crime
and social behavior or alcohol.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, so, look, one of the biggest criticisms we get
a view Leah is that you know that there's a
lot of sort of knocking everything that the government says,
but there's not a lot of solutions.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So what would you do differently?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Because I guess it's very easy to go all right, well,
we wouldn't have allowed the Stronger Futures legislation to end,
but the fact is now it has. So what would
you do differently when it comes to what's going on
in Alice?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So we've got to deal with demand. This government is
only dealing with supply. Our plan for a safer territory
is to deal with the demand for alcohol, which means
we have to be looking at our rehabilitation and treatment
services and helping those who are chronically addicted and affected
by alcohol. We need to be supporting our police with
the appropriate levels of resources that they need and deserve
(04:47):
to do their job safely and keep our community safe.
And that two hundred and fifty million dollars, I can
tell you, Katie, I would be calling the Prime Minister
every single day if I was the Chief Minister, getting
him to explain why not a single day dollar has
been spent in Alice Springs. That was emergency funding that
was supposed to be provided from January, and yet this
(05:07):
town is still crying out for help from labor governments
that just aren't listening.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Leah onto sort of broader issues, I guess you would say,
when it comes to alcohol across the Northern Territory. We
know that the Northern Territory's Acting Police Commissioner joined us
on the show yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He also spoke.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
About changes to the BDR to make it more effective
right across the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Take a bit of a listen to what he had
to say yesterday.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And there's a lot of work on the way too
with the review of the Liquor Act about how we
can do things smarter as well through the band drinkers registered,
through some technology tools to help not just the heavy
lifting through police officers, but what fundamental technology and assistance
to reduce crime, especially alcohol related crime with a territory perspective.
But we've also got a pretty keen focus on secondary
supply from inter state, so we still see some flow
(05:54):
of supply from South Australia and Queensland, so we work
with counterparts there to try and reduce that opportunity as well.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How do you reckon we might be able to use
the BDR a little bit differently so that you know,
so that it could be more effective, because even you
sort of think to yourself sometimes like are there people
making a number of purchases across the day and then
going and on selling and I know that that's something
you guys be looking into, but give is that something
that we can do more efficiently?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Absolutely? So, if you've got a person that's going across
the Graddan area and to visiting ten bottle shops and
buying six bottles of wine, if somehow we can detect
that and feed into a high risk area and we
can focus our energy on that person because they're obviously
not consuming that much wine every day. We know there
are secondary supplies occurring across the graded Owen area and
(06:40):
the Northern Territory from people buying alcoholic different outlets.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So, Leah, that is just part of what the acting
Police Commissioner had to say on the show yesterday. I mean,
it does seem as though it's common sense, Like if
there's ways that this technology can be used to actually
deal with some of the concerns that we've got in
other locations around secondary supply, it seems like common sense.
I mean, do you think the BDR needs a big overhaul?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It certainly does, Katie, And that's been a policy of
ours for a very long time. If we are elected
to government next year, we will be doing a review
of the BAM drinker register because we do believe it
could be more effective. We do need to be looking
at whether it's having any impact at all in its
current form and whether there's a better way in which
we can enhance or utilize that technology. So we're fully
(07:31):
on board with that, Katie. It's something we've been talking
about gosh for years and years and years now, but
unfortunately Natasha Files is all about set and forget policy.
So she brought the BDR in seven years ago and
she hasn't you know, had a good look back at it.
But it's something we're really focused on because we need
to be using the tools that are there to make
(07:51):
sure that we're dealing with this issue because people just
want to be safe. They just want to live their
life in safety, and that's what people want most and
that's what we would deliver it in government.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Leah budget estimates.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It was an interesting time and some of the information
which the COLP is now receiving back from written questions
is pretty shocking. We know that there was extensive damage
to the Howard Springs facility, but there's also been the
revelation that police had to attend one hundred and forty
five incidents in under sixty days, including sixty seven reports
(08:25):
of domestic violence and Howard Springs when those flood evacuees
stayed there earlier this year. Leah, what do you think
this sees about the situation at Howard Springs?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Oh is shocking, Katie. So government took two hundred questions
on notice. We've finally gotten those back. Of course, Natasha
Farles was the minister with the most questions she couldn't answer.
And now we know that there were thirty eight people
arrested in sixty days, seventy women had to take refuge,
twenty children, sixty seven domestic violence incidents, one hundred and
(08:55):
forty five police investigations. I mean, you know, this government
tried to cover up the fact that there was destruction
happening out at Howard Springs, and Natasha files went to
great lengths to be part of that cover up. But
now we've got this information which shows that the flood
vacuees out there were not safe. And so with over
one million dollars being spent by government on security guards,
(09:18):
there was something like seventy five police ships happening out there.
At that time, there were still these horrific levels of
violence and crime happening, and again it was all tried
to be swept under the rug.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What do you reckon we.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Need to do differently if we have flood evacuees from
you know, from wherever, to ensure that this kind of
violence and damage doesn't occur.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think it's really difficult when people are uplifted from
their home during a crisis and brought somewhere else. It's
obviously very destabilizing for people, no matter where you live.
So this is about delivering on Labour's promises for emergency shelters.
I know in Manning Greta they're still eating for their
emergency shelter Bora Lula. There are so many communities across
(10:04):
the territory who have been promised facilities so that if
and when a disaster or a crisis happens, people are
able to be safe and be able to stay where
they live. And that's the most ideal outcome for any
territory or any Australian. You know, there's nothing worse than
when you're in a crisis to then be taken to
somewhere that is not your home, you know. So this
(10:26):
is really about ensuring that Labor's actually going to deliver
on its commitments to deliver emergency facilities right across the territory.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
LEA. Throughout the budget estimates process there was some criticism
of the COLP. You know that crime was the focus
across every single portfolio, But I understand this. In written
questions that you'd actually asked about some of the information
in the health sector, you've actually revealed some interesting interesting
(10:55):
is probably you know, a mile bay of putting it
information around. So the money which has been spent to
provide security at Royal Darwin Hospital.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's eyewatering. Katie and Labor don't like us talking about crime,
but the reality is crime is an economic issue, it's
a safety issue, and it is plaguing every facet of
our lives. At Royal Darwin Hospital and Parmesan Hospitals alone,
government spends more than eight million dollars a year on
security guards ten million dollars territory wide, and that's money
(11:28):
that could be spent on patient care. We know and
revealed yesterday that there were five hundred and eighty six
safety incidents reported by nurses, oneenty twenty six incidents reported
by staff, seventeen major incidents at territory hospitals. And you know,
when when crime is affecting even people out their most vulnerable,
(11:50):
when they are sick and unwell, it puts a huge
toll not only on our health professionals, but on patients
and of course on the budget bottom line. And I
think every territory and would rather ten million dollars spent
addressing bed block and patient care rather than having to
deal with security issues because this government can't get on
(12:10):
top of a dressing crime. And look, you.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Understand that there's always going to need to be a
budget for security to some degree, but ten million dollars
is a huge.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Amount of money.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But then also, as you've said, there five hundred and
eighty six safety incidents raised by nursing staff, oney twenty
six incidents buy into health staff. Seventeen of those classified
as major incidents. What exactly classifies as a major incident?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Do we know?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
No? And that's our next question, Katie, because obviously it
must be pretty bad if it's categorized that way. But
you think about the impact our health professionals. This has.
On health professionals, they're trying to save lives, deal with
people at terrible times in their life. There's a fifteen
percent attrition rate in our health sector. We've had forty
(13:00):
six days of code yellows. The pressure is tremendous. I mean,
this is an entire territory that is suffering from the
crime crisis. We've got a health crisis, the police crisis.
There is no end in sight to this destruction and disaster,
and it all comes back to having a safe community.
If we can restore community safety, then we can start
(13:22):
to be secure in how we live our lives and
have good facilities, spend our money on things that matter
instead of continuing to spend money on barricading ourselves into
our homes, into our businesses and into our hospitals.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, Leah Finocchi, AIO the opposition leader, always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Thank you very much for joining us on the show
this morning.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Thank you, and take care everyone.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Thank you,
Well, as we have just heard from the mayor Matt Patterson,
the government has indeed decided to extend those takeaway alcohol
restrictions in Alice Springs. They say that evidence has shown
that alcohol related emergency department presentations in Alice Springs Hospital
have reduced by a third and domestic violence is halved
since those restrictions were introduced. Now, along with police consultation,
(00:22):
they've also seen a decrease in alcohol related harm as
well as assaults, and the number of children protective custody
notifications has also decreased. So at this point in time,
the government's saying that the restrictions will be extended twelve
months to eighteen months, but they are going to continue
to continue I should say, to monitor that data and
(00:44):
remain agile with their policy settings. Now joining me on
the line right now to talk more about this is
the opposition leader Leah Finocchiaro.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good morning to you, Leah.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Good morning Katie to your listeners.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Lea, is this the right decision?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I think this is admission by Natasha Philes that she
doesn't have a plan to address alcohol in the Red Center.
I mean it comes off the back of her disastrous
decision to let Stronger futures lapse without a plan in
place to deal with it. And the fact that she's
just going to roll on with these emergents what are
supposed to be emergency restrictions for up to another eighteen
(01:20):
months without addressing the bigger issue, which is demand for alcohol,
shows that she's got no plan at all and no
idea how to fix this problem.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I mean, if the evidence is showing though that alcohol
related emergency department presentations have reduced by a third, domestic
violence has halved since the restrictions were introduced. And you know,
yesterday on the show, we had the acting Police Commissioner,
Michael Murphy on saying that their recommendation was to extend
the alcohol restrictions. Shouldn't we be listening to the police.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, the issue is that Natasha Philes lifted Stronger Futures
without a plan in place. We had the Prime Minister
come to Alice Springs to had to do her job.
We had a fake promise of two hundred and fifty
million dollars which still hasn't been spent to support that town.
And now we've got cherry picking data. I mean, we've
seen ourso bring up shelters in Alice Springs come out
(02:13):
and say they've never been fuller. We've got BDR data
which shows that volume of alcohol is actually higher. So
it's a very difficult situation. And until this government decides
it wants to deal with the demand for alcohol, not
just the supply and of course police resourcing, then we're
never going to see a better solution for a safer
(02:35):
community going forward.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
This really I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I definitely understand what you're saying, and I can see
it from that perspective as well. But would you go
against what the Northern Territory police want if you were
in power.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's not about going against police. What police is saying
is that it's helping them because their resources are so low.
And that's because this is That's not what.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
The commissioner said yesterday. He didn't say that it's because
their resources are so low.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
He said that it is.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You know that it's seen a reduction across a various different,
various different areas. So I guess what I'm asking is,
would you not extend the restrictions if you were in power?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, what I would do if we were in power
is make sure that we're dealing with demand and that's
something that isn't part of Natashaphial's plan for the town.
We also need greater police resourcing so that we can
take pressure of men and women on the front line
and make sure we're providing proper levels of service. And
this is something that's been plaguing the whole Northern Territory
(03:34):
is the fact that this government has overseen some of
the worst periods in history for our police force. High
attrition rate, low morale, we've got higher crime than ever before.
The pressure on them to do more with less is huge.
And now her answer to a town looking for a
plan going forward is for more reviews. I mean, this
government's got a bail review, a knife crime review, a
(03:55):
police review and now an alcohol review that people don't
feel like there's any plan for any element of crime
and social behavior or alcohol.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, so, look, one of the biggest criticisms we get
a view Leah is that you know that there's a
lot of sort of knocking everything that the government says,
but there's not a lot of solutions.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So what would you do differently?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Because I guess it's very easy to go all right, well,
we wouldn't have allowed the Stronger Futures legislation to end,
but the fact is now it has. So what would
you do differently when it comes to what's going on
in Alice?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So we've got to deal with demand. This government is
only dealing with supply. Our plan for a safer territory
is to deal with the demand for alcohol, which means
we have to be looking at our rehabilitation and treatment
services and helping those who are chronically addicted and affected
by alcohol. We need to be supporting our police with
the appropriate levels of resources that they need and deserve
(04:47):
to do their job safely and keep our community safe.
And that two hundred and fifty million dollars, I can
tell you, Katie, I would be calling the Prime Minister
every single day if I was the Chief Minister, getting
him to explain why not a single day dollar has
been spent in Alice Springs. That was emergency funding that
was supposed to be provided from January, and yet this
(05:07):
town is still crying out for help from labor governments
that just aren't listening.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Leah onto sort of broader issues, I guess you would say,
when it comes to alcohol across the Northern Territory. We
know that the Northern Territory's Acting Police Commissioner joined us
on the show yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He also spoke.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
About changes to the BDR to make it more effective
right across the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Take a bit of a listen to what he had
to say yesterday.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And there's a lot of work on the way too
with the review of the Liquor Act about how we
can do things smarter as well through the band drinkers registered,
through some technology tools to help not just the heavy
lifting through police officers, but what fundamental technology and assistance
to reduce crime, especially alcohol related crime with a territory perspective.
But we've also got a pretty keen focus on secondary
supply from inter state, so we still see some flow
(05:54):
of supply from South Australia and Queensland, so we work
with counterparts there to try and reduce that opportunity as well.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
How do you reckon we might be able to use
the BDR a little bit differently so that you know,
so that it could be more effective, because even you
sort of think to yourself sometimes like are there people
making a number of purchases across the day and then
going and on selling and I know that that's something
you guys be looking into, but give is that something
that we can do more efficiently?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Absolutely? So, if you've got a person that's going across
the Graddan area and to visiting ten bottle shops and
buying six bottles of wine, if somehow we can detect
that and feed into a high risk area and we
can focus our energy on that person because they're obviously
not consuming that much wine every day. We know there
are secondary supplies occurring across the graded Owen area and
(06:40):
the Northern Territory from people buying alcoholic different outlets.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So, Leah, that is just part of what the acting
Police Commissioner had to say on the show yesterday. I mean,
it does seem as though it's common sense, Like if
there's ways that this technology can be used to actually
deal with some of the concerns that we've got in
other locations around secondary supply, it seems like common sense.
I mean, do you think the BDR needs a big overhaul?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
It certainly does, Katie, And that's been a policy of
ours for a very long time. If we are elected
to government next year, we will be doing a review
of the BAM drinker register because we do believe it
could be more effective. We do need to be looking
at whether it's having any impact at all in its
current form and whether there's a better way in which
we can enhance or utilize that technology. So we're fully
(07:31):
on board with that, Katie. It's something we've been talking
about gosh for years and years and years now, but
unfortunately Natasha Files is all about set and forget policy.
So she brought the BDR in seven years ago and
she hasn't you know, had a good look back at it.
But it's something we're really focused on because we need
to be using the tools that are there to make
(07:51):
sure that we're dealing with this issue because people just
want to be safe. They just want to live their
life in safety, and that's what people want most and
that's what we would deliver it in government.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Leah budget estimates.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It was an interesting time and some of the information
which the COLP is now receiving back from written questions
is pretty shocking. We know that there was extensive damage
to the Howard Springs facility, but there's also been the
revelation that police had to attend one hundred and forty
five incidents in under sixty days, including sixty seven reports
(08:25):
of domestic violence and Howard Springs when those flood evacuees
stayed there earlier this year. Leah, what do you think
this sees about the situation at Howard Springs?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Oh is shocking, Katie. So government took two hundred questions
on notice. We've finally gotten those back. Of course, Natasha
Farles was the minister with the most questions she couldn't answer.
And now we know that there were thirty eight people
arrested in sixty days, seventy women had to take refuge,
twenty children, sixty seven domestic violence incidents, one hundred and
(08:55):
forty five police investigations. I mean, you know, this government
tried to cover up the fact that there was destruction
happening out at Howard Springs, and Natasha files went to
great lengths to be part of that cover up. But
now we've got this information which shows that the flood
vacuees out there were not safe. And so with over
one million dollars being spent by government on security guards,
(09:18):
there was something like seventy five police ships happening out there.
At that time, there were still these horrific levels of
violence and crime happening, and again it was all tried
to be swept under the rug.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
What do you reckon we.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Need to do differently if we have flood evacuees from
you know, from wherever, to ensure that this kind of
violence and damage doesn't occur.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I think it's really difficult when people are uplifted from
their home during a crisis and brought somewhere else. It's
obviously very destabilizing for people, no matter where you live.
So this is about delivering on Labour's promises for emergency shelters.
I know in Manning Greta they're still eating for their
emergency shelter Bora Lula. There are so many communities across
(10:04):
the territory who have been promised facilities so that if
and when a disaster or a crisis happens, people are
able to be safe and be able to stay where
they live. And that's the most ideal outcome for any
territory or any Australian. You know, there's nothing worse than
when you're in a crisis to then be taken to
somewhere that is not your home, you know. So this
(10:26):
is really about ensuring that Labor's actually going to deliver
on its commitments to deliver emergency facilities right across the territory.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
LEA. Throughout the budget estimates process there was some criticism
of the COLP. You know that crime was the focus
across every single portfolio, But I understand this. In written
questions that you'd actually asked about some of the information
in the health sector, you've actually revealed some interesting interesting
(10:55):
is probably you know, a mile bay of putting it
information around. So the money which has been spent to
provide security at Royal Darwin Hospital.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's eyewatering. Katie and Labor don't like us talking about crime,
but the reality is crime is an economic issue, it's
a safety issue, and it is plaguing every facet of
our lives. At Royal Darwin Hospital and Parmesan Hospitals alone,
government spends more than eight million dollars a year on
security guards ten million dollars territory wide, and that's money
(11:28):
that could be spent on patient care. We know and
revealed yesterday that there were five hundred and eighty six
safety incidents reported by nurses, oneenty twenty six incidents reported
by staff, seventeen major incidents at territory hospitals. And you know,
when when crime is affecting even people out their most vulnerable,
(11:50):
when they are sick and unwell, it puts a huge
toll not only on our health professionals, but on patients
and of course on the budget bottom line. And I
think every territory and would rather ten million dollars spent
addressing bed block and patient care rather than having to
deal with security issues because this government can't get on
(12:10):
top of a dressing crime. And look, you.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Understand that there's always going to need to be a
budget for security to some degree, but ten million dollars
is a huge.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Amount of money.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But then also, as you've said, there five hundred and
eighty six safety incidents raised by nursing staff, oney twenty
six incidents buy into health staff. Seventeen of those classified
as major incidents. What exactly classifies as a major incident?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Do we know?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
No? And that's our next question, Katie, because obviously it
must be pretty bad if it's categorized that way. But
you think about the impact our health professionals. This has.
On health professionals, they're trying to save lives, deal with
people at terrible times in their life. There's a fifteen
percent attrition rate in our health sector. We've had forty
(13:00):
six days of code yellows. The pressure is tremendous. I mean,
this is an entire territory that is suffering from the
crime crisis. We've got a health crisis, the police crisis.
There is no end in sight to this destruction and disaster,
and it all comes back to having a safe community.
If we can restore community safety, then we can start
(13:22):
to be secure in how we live our lives and
have good facilities, spend our money on things that matter
instead of continuing to spend money on barricading ourselves into
our homes, into our businesses and into our hospitals.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, Leah Finocchi, AIO the opposition leader, always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Thank you very much for joining us on the show
this morning.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Thank you, and take care everyone.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Thank you,
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