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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We better get into it because joining us on the
line right now is the opposition leader Lea Fanocchiiro.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Good morning to you, Leah.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Good morning Katie and to your listeners. And everyone's freezing today.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It is very cold, there is no doubt about it.
But Lea, there is so much to cover off on
this morning now. I'm not sure if you heard me
mentioned just a short time ago, but this Mail and
Weapons Offenses Review task Force, the report, I've got my
hands on it this morning, and it says that upon
consideration of the data, the task Force does not recommend
any amendments be made to the bail or the Criminal Code,
(00:33):
as the majority of bail episodes for adults and hudes
charged with weapons offenses did not end in another violence offense,
and where they did, the majority of those cases triggered
a presumption against bail. Anyway, the overall conclusion of the
task force was that expanding the scope of presumptions against
bail is an ineffective way of dealing with the remaining
(00:56):
small risk. Leah, does this show that the colp have
got it wrong when it comes to wanting changes against bail?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, this secret bar review which Labour have done behind
closed doors is certainly not open to the public and
to hear those words coming from the report, Katie, is
extremely disappointing. I think territory and listening to your show
will just feel that once again Labor are not listening
to the community. Our laws do not meet community expectation.
(01:26):
And what we have got again for the millions time
is our labor government more focused on the rights of
the offender, more focused on the rights of criminals than
they are on our right to be safe in our homes,
on our streets and in our businesses.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Lea, let me take you through the conclusion the factors
that they've listed here as to why there are going
to be no changes. One of those is the types
of offenses to which presumption against bail applies are some
of the widest and most comprehensive in Australia, a jurisdiction
or comparison. They've attached that in the report, our ninety
one percent of bail episodes for adults and youths charged
(02:03):
with a serious violence offense did not end in another
violence offense being committed while on bail reoffending. Of those
nine percent who do reoffend while on bail, forty percent
trigger an existing presumption against bail. They also say that
eighty nine percent of bail episodes for adult and youths
(02:24):
charged with the weapons offense did not end in a
new violent offense being committed. Sixty percent of those eleven
percent who do not reoffend trigger an existing presumption against bail.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Katie, it all sounds like it sounds like a government
that is absolutely held bent on destroying the territory and
letting criminals destroy our lives and our lifestyles. Because I
can tell you there is not a single person I
ever speak to who thinks that more criminals should be
bailed more often to think that a machete does not
(03:01):
cut the mustard. But Natasha files and her government as
a weapon worthy of someone not getting bail just shows
how totally chronically out of touch they are. I don't
stand for any of the principles that labors stand for,
and neither do my team, Katie, because we will always
protect our community and put their right to be safe
(03:22):
above the rights of well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I just want to turn it around for a sec
because they're saying ninety one percent of bail episodes for
adults and youths charged with the serious violence offense did
not end up in another violent defense being committed wile
on bail reoffending, and of those nine percent who do
reoffend will on bail, forty percent trigger and existing presumption
against bail.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But the thing is here, there are still people slipping
through those.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Gaps without question, without question, and let's not forget this
is a government more interested in managing the media than
managing the territory. And so there is very tricky wording
involved in that. To say that ninety one percent don't
end up in another serious violent offense does not say
that they didn't end up breaking into people's houses stealing
(04:07):
people's cars. I mean, this is a joke beyond proportions.
I'm glad we've got Parliament this week, Katie, because territories
really need to mobilize and express very clearly to every
single member of that Labor government and the Chief Minister
that they have totally failed in their duty to keep
us safe. This secret Bower Review has been something the
(04:29):
community has been promised for months and months and months,
and now we all get to learn, of course, probably
what most of us knew, and that that is that
this government is going to do nothing different. It is
going to continue to allow these high levels of offending
in our community, and they have no commitment to a
safer future for the Terrans.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, look some of what they are going to change,
they've said. While no amendments proposed to the Bail Act,
the Task Force did recommend minor amendments to the Weapons
Control Act to clarify that a knife include a machete
for the purposes of being a control weapon. This is
going to allow machetes to be captured in the definition
of knife as a control weapon, including for the purpose
(05:10):
of BAIL.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I would have thought it already was.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Now it's weak. This is weak. We the words from
a government again more interested in managing the media than
doing their job. What they do not need to make
an amendment to include machetes. This shows you just how
much they don't want to protect people. They should be
making that legislation include any opportunistic weapon, any weapon at all.
(05:33):
So what government are telling you Territory is listening right
now is that if you pick up a Bundy bottle
and smash it and use that as a knife as
a weapon, as an edged weapon, that does not count.
They are picking and choosing what is a weapon and
what is in And I can tell you if a
territory in is faced with someone threatening them with a
knife or threatening them with a smashed up Bundy bottle,
(05:55):
people are going to feel exactly the same threat to life.
And so this government gain is failing in their duties,
failing in the community's expectation. I'm just horrified, Katie, that
we continue to have to suffer under a government that
again is more interested in managing optics than they are
doing their job.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Lia just to play Devil's advocate here, I mean the
recommendations considered the data to conclude that amending that Bail
Act will not increase community safety. It says that as
it does not operate as a preventative mechanism to reduce
weapons offending. Rather, the task Force considers that the following
measures will be preemptively targeting potential offenders before an offense occurs.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So what they're looking at doing.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is developing that targeted knife strategy for the Northern Territory
to address knife crime. It's supported by the geographical variations
in weapon offending across the territory, they say. They also
say that they're going to be strengthening and extending bail
support programs and bail supported accommodation, speedier resolution of matters
through the court, and greater education of the judiciary and
(07:00):
prosecutors about the risk of reoffending by certain groups of defendants.
And us a law similar to Queensland's Police Powers and
Responsibility Jack's Law as it's known Amendment Act twenty twenty
three to help detect weapons before they're used in offending,
and better powers to seize and confiscate weapons when found. Now, look,
(07:21):
I know that you are hearing about this for the
first time, as are all of our listeners. I'm reading
it out loud for the first time. But do those
other recommendations and changes that they're talking about here, do
they go some way in trying to sort the issue
that we've gotten the territory out.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
No, they do not, Katie, And again this is just
a giant disappointment. It's a government totally asleep at the wheels.
We need to be making sure that people who do
the wrong thing face consequences and face the full force
of the law. What this government is trying to do
is because its prisons are full, because it has no
plan for lowering crime in our community. It has realized
(08:01):
that if they make changes to bail, it means they
would need more beds in prison, which they don't have.
This is a very cynical attempt at managing the media
and the optics. Katie. How many people, how many more
people I should say, have to be stabbed and killed
before Natasha Files and her government are going to walk
into Parliament and have the guts to do what is required,
(08:24):
and that is to strengthen the law so that everyday
Territorians can put their kids on a bus safely to
go to school and go to the shops, so that
people don't have to think about what time they go
to the shops and where they pass their car, or
whether they bring their kids, whether they're going to have
an intruder in their bedroom that night, whether the kids
are going to be safe. People cannot continue to live
(08:44):
under this constant threat and fear, and I will never
stop fighting for stronger, safer laws that mean that Territorians
can live their life freely and that criminals are dealt
with prosisely.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
From your perspective, I mean with this review and with
this this task force review, if you were given this
same review and you were the Chief Minister, would you
act upon what they've said or would you do differently
even though the evidence is saying that that's what needs
to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well, who was on this review, Katie? Who did this review?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I don't know? You tell me do.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You have any idea met either? And I can tell
you right now as Chief Minister, I do not need
a review to tell me that I should always put
the rights of people to be safe above the rights
of criminals. And I don't need a review to tell
me that if you're a serious violent offender, you should
start with a position of no about the Natasha Varles
can go to sleep with all her reviews that she's got.
(09:40):
There's nice Prime reviews and alcohol reviews and Bower reviews.
Whatever she thinks is going to make her sleep safely
at night. Fine, But ultimately the rest of us continue
to wait for this government to do its job. Lea.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
The other thing that the Northern Territory government have announced
this morning is that the legislation to raise the age
of Criminal Responsibility it's going to come into effect from.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The first of August.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Do you believe that they've got the programs in place
to support this happening.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, and this is another disaster again the government trying
to make less people responsible for their crimes instead of
making less crime in our community. We've seen some very
scary instances of crime in that age bracket recently, Katie.
I'm looking at a press release from the twenty seventh
of June where a twelve year old was charged with
aggravator burglary, damage to property. We've got another one on
(10:34):
the twenty first of July, two twelve year olds damage
to property, aggravated assault, threat to kill. I mean, these
are serious crimes that this government doesn't want young people
held responsible for. And I have no confidence in them
to have the right intervention programs required to make sure
kids aren't entering the justice system, because if they had
(10:54):
the answers, Katie, after seven long years, they would have
already done it. This government is out of ideas, they're
out of touch and they are just not listening.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, Leah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
One thing that is being questioned this morning is whether
the COLP is divided. Now we know that there was
certainly a report over the weekend where the Northern Territory
News reported that there was a fight basically between Josh
Burgoyne and Steve Edgington Brakling MLA, of course is Josh
(11:24):
Burgoyne and Steve Edgington is the Barkley member that they
are involved in a heat and verbal exchange at the
Catherine Show on Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Leah, what was it about?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh? Look, Katie, I don't know. I read the newsaper
article just like many Territorians did. It's clearly disappointing. But
at the end of the day, Katie, this is a
disagreement between two adults and it's you know, it is
what it is. We're just continuing to focus on making
sure this week in Parliament we have focused on the
issues that territory as as well.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Are you So if they're fighting with each other, I
mean it's a pretty embarrassing situation for them to be
publicly fight with one another.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, it's disappointing, Katie, but you know, it was a
private disagreement between two.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Very private though. When it's in.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Public, well, and that lesson when we learned. I'm sure Katie,
it is what it is. It's disappointing.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But have you spoken to either of those men about it?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No? I haven't, Katie, because again, this is a private
conversation between two people, and we are so focused on
the job ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Well, you know, I guess I know what you're going
to say, and I know that you're certainly going to
try and bat it off. But I guess the problem
here is is that you know, you're just over twelve
months out from an election.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You guys are the opposition.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You are meant to be presenting yourselves as the alternative government,
and it doesn't look good then to have two of
your pivotal team members fighting publicly. From what we can
gather about the voice.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Look, as I said, Katie, it is disappointing that that happened,
but it's happened. We can't, you know, pretend that it
didn't and ultimately we move forward. You know, it's really
critical we're focused on the job ahead of us. We're
a strong, united, passionate team. I mean, when you pull
seven passionate people together, you know you have robust conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But Leah, people are going to be laughing as you're
saying that you're a united team while they're fighting, and
one of them's reportedly stormed off.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I think one disagreement is allowed, Honestly, Katie, this
is so small fry compared to the major issues. I
can tell you not sickle.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I agree, I do agree, But the problem here is
I agree it is small fry compared to the issues
of crime and now finding out that the bail amendments
that they're very, very limited, to say the least. And
you know that the government's got the raising the age
of criminal responsibility. It's forging ahead in August, and I
know that those things are not in line with the
(13:47):
community's expectations. But Lea, what I'm trying to say is
that we're twelve months out from an election and people
want to know whether the alternative government actually has what
it takes to stick together. And you know, we're your
teams sort of going to stay together and stay confident
in you.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I can assure territories, this is a disagreement between two
grown men. I'm going to leave it at that, And ultimately,
we are a very strong team of committed, passionate Territorians
who wake up every day to use every breath in
our body to fight for a safe territory, a strong economy,
lower cost of living, and nothing will stop us from
(14:24):
prosecuting that case and making sure that people see how
much Labor has dragged the territory.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's pretty ill disciplined though. I mean, you're heading into
a week of parliamentary sittings. It gives the Labour Party
now the opposition, to have that ammunition to throw at you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
It is disappointing, Katie. You know I've said that a
number of times. There's no doubt about it. It's a distraction.
But we are not going to keep, you know, talking
about it. We've got to move on. We are all
grown ups and we've got a very very critical and
important job to do. Territorians expect us to do that.
We will do that, and we will continue to make
sure that we are always putting territorians first and making
(15:04):
sure their issues are being heard loud and clear in
the Parliament by this government who has all but packed
up and gone home.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, Lea, I'll tell you what, there's so much there
has been so much to discuss already this morning. No
doubt there's going to be throughout the week as well.
I reckon we'll probably catch up with you again through
the week. I appreciate your time this morning and very
keen to find out some further detail about this bail report,
so as we get it, we'll make sure that we
deliver it to our listeners. But yeah, it's going to
(15:31):
be an interesting week in Parliament to say the least.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes, and it sounds like for all the wrong reasons, Katie,
but we'll be there side by side with the community
taking the fight to labor.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Lea Finocchio, thank you for your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Take care everyone,
We better get into it because joining us on the
line right now is the opposition leader Lea Fanocchiiro.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Good morning to you, Leah.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Good morning Katie and to your listeners. And everyone's freezing today.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It is very cold, there is no doubt about it.
But Lea, there is so much to cover off on
this morning now. I'm not sure if you heard me
mentioned just a short time ago, but this Mail and
Weapons Offenses Review task Force, the report, I've got my
hands on it this morning, and it says that upon
consideration of the data, the task Force does not recommend
any amendments be made to the bail or the Criminal Code,
(00:33):
as the majority of bail episodes for adults and hudes
charged with weapons offenses did not end in another violence offense,
and where they did, the majority of those cases triggered
a presumption against bail. Anyway, the overall conclusion of the
task force was that expanding the scope of presumptions against
bail is an ineffective way of dealing with the remaining
(00:56):
small risk. Leah, does this show that the colp have
got it wrong when it comes to wanting changes against bail?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, this secret bar review which Labour have done behind
closed doors is certainly not open to the public and
to hear those words coming from the report, Katie, is
extremely disappointing. I think territory and listening to your show
will just feel that once again Labor are not listening
to the community. Our laws do not meet community expectation.
(01:26):
And what we have got again for the millions time
is our labor government more focused on the rights of
the offender, more focused on the rights of criminals than
they are on our right to be safe in our homes,
on our streets and in our businesses.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Lea, let me take you through the conclusion the factors
that they've listed here as to why there are going
to be no changes. One of those is the types
of offenses to which presumption against bail applies are some
of the widest and most comprehensive in Australia, a jurisdiction
or comparison. They've attached that in the report, our ninety
one percent of bail episodes for adults and youths charged
(02:03):
with a serious violence offense did not end in another
violence offense being committed while on bail reoffending. Of those
nine percent who do reoffend while on bail, forty percent
trigger an existing presumption against bail. They also say that
eighty nine percent of bail episodes for adult and youths
(02:24):
charged with the weapons offense did not end in a
new violent offense being committed. Sixty percent of those eleven
percent who do not reoffend trigger an existing presumption against bail.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Katie, it all sounds like it sounds like a government
that is absolutely held bent on destroying the territory and
letting criminals destroy our lives and our lifestyles. Because I
can tell you there is not a single person I
ever speak to who thinks that more criminals should be
bailed more often to think that a machete does not
(03:01):
cut the mustard. But Natasha files and her government as
a weapon worthy of someone not getting bail just shows
how totally chronically out of touch they are. I don't
stand for any of the principles that labors stand for,
and neither do my team, Katie, because we will always
protect our community and put their right to be safe
(03:22):
above the rights of well.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I just want to turn it around for a sec
because they're saying ninety one percent of bail episodes for
adults and youths charged with the serious violence offense did
not end up in another violent defense being committed wile
on bail reoffending, and of those nine percent who do
reoffend will on bail, forty percent trigger and existing presumption
against bail.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
But the thing is here, there are still people slipping
through those.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Gaps without question, without question, and let's not forget this
is a government more interested in managing the media than
managing the territory. And so there is very tricky wording
involved in that. To say that ninety one percent don't
end up in another serious violent offense does not say
that they didn't end up breaking into people's houses stealing
(04:07):
people's cars. I mean, this is a joke beyond proportions.
I'm glad we've got Parliament this week, Katie, because territories
really need to mobilize and express very clearly to every
single member of that Labor government and the Chief Minister
that they have totally failed in their duty to keep
us safe. This secret Bower Review has been something the
(04:29):
community has been promised for months and months and months,
and now we all get to learn, of course, probably
what most of us knew, and that that is that
this government is going to do nothing different. It is
going to continue to allow these high levels of offending
in our community, and they have no commitment to a
safer future for the Terrans.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Well, look some of what they are going to change,
they've said. While no amendments proposed to the Bail Act,
the Task Force did recommend minor amendments to the Weapons
Control Act to clarify that a knife include a machete
for the purposes of being a control weapon. This is
going to allow machetes to be captured in the definition
of knife as a control weapon, including for the purpose
(05:10):
of BAIL.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I would have thought it already was.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Now it's weak. This is weak. We the words from
a government again more interested in managing the media than
doing their job. What they do not need to make
an amendment to include machetes. This shows you just how
much they don't want to protect people. They should be
making that legislation include any opportunistic weapon, any weapon at all.
(05:33):
So what government are telling you Territory is listening right
now is that if you pick up a Bundy bottle
and smash it and use that as a knife as
a weapon, as an edged weapon, that does not count.
They are picking and choosing what is a weapon and
what is in And I can tell you if a
territory in is faced with someone threatening them with a
knife or threatening them with a smashed up Bundy bottle,
(05:55):
people are going to feel exactly the same threat to life.
And so this government gain is failing in their duties,
failing in the community's expectation. I'm just horrified, Katie, that
we continue to have to suffer under a government that
again is more interested in managing optics than they are
doing their job.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Lia just to play Devil's advocate here, I mean the
recommendations considered the data to conclude that amending that Bail
Act will not increase community safety. It says that as
it does not operate as a preventative mechanism to reduce
weapons offending. Rather, the task Force considers that the following
measures will be preemptively targeting potential offenders before an offense occurs.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So what they're looking at doing.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is developing that targeted knife strategy for the Northern Territory
to address knife crime. It's supported by the geographical variations
in weapon offending across the territory, they say. They also
say that they're going to be strengthening and extending bail
support programs and bail supported accommodation, speedier resolution of matters
through the court, and greater education of the judiciary and
(07:00):
prosecutors about the risk of reoffending by certain groups of defendants.
And us a law similar to Queensland's Police Powers and
Responsibility Jack's Law as it's known Amendment Act twenty twenty
three to help detect weapons before they're used in offending,
and better powers to seize and confiscate weapons when found. Now, look,
(07:21):
I know that you are hearing about this for the
first time, as are all of our listeners. I'm reading
it out loud for the first time. But do those
other recommendations and changes that they're talking about here, do
they go some way in trying to sort the issue
that we've gotten the territory out.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
No, they do not, Katie, And again this is just
a giant disappointment. It's a government totally asleep at the wheels.
We need to be making sure that people who do
the wrong thing face consequences and face the full force
of the law. What this government is trying to do
is because its prisons are full, because it has no
plan for lowering crime in our community. It has realized
(08:01):
that if they make changes to bail, it means they
would need more beds in prison, which they don't have.
This is a very cynical attempt at managing the media
and the optics. Katie. How many people, how many more
people I should say, have to be stabbed and killed
before Natasha Files and her government are going to walk
into Parliament and have the guts to do what is required,
(08:24):
and that is to strengthen the law so that everyday
Territorians can put their kids on a bus safely to
go to school and go to the shops, so that
people don't have to think about what time they go
to the shops and where they pass their car, or
whether they bring their kids, whether they're going to have
an intruder in their bedroom that night, whether the kids
are going to be safe. People cannot continue to live
(08:44):
under this constant threat and fear, and I will never
stop fighting for stronger, safer laws that mean that Territorians
can live their life freely and that criminals are dealt
with prosisely.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
From your perspective, I mean with this review and with
this this task force review, if you were given this
same review and you were the Chief Minister, would you
act upon what they've said or would you do differently
even though the evidence is saying that that's what needs
to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Well, who was on this review, Katie? Who did this review?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I don't know? You tell me do.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
You have any idea met either? And I can tell
you right now as Chief Minister, I do not need
a review to tell me that I should always put
the rights of people to be safe above the rights
of criminals. And I don't need a review to tell
me that if you're a serious violent offender, you should
start with a position of no about the Natasha Varles
can go to sleep with all her reviews that she's got.
(09:40):
There's nice Prime reviews and alcohol reviews and Bower reviews.
Whatever she thinks is going to make her sleep safely
at night. Fine, But ultimately the rest of us continue
to wait for this government to do its job. Lea.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
The other thing that the Northern Territory government have announced
this morning is that the legislation to raise the age
of Criminal Responsibility it's going to come into effect from.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
The first of August.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Do you believe that they've got the programs in place
to support this happening.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, and this is another disaster again the government trying
to make less people responsible for their crimes instead of
making less crime in our community. We've seen some very
scary instances of crime in that age bracket recently, Katie.
I'm looking at a press release from the twenty seventh
of June where a twelve year old was charged with
aggravator burglary, damage to property. We've got another one on
(10:34):
the twenty first of July, two twelve year olds damage
to property, aggravated assault, threat to kill. I mean, these
are serious crimes that this government doesn't want young people
held responsible for. And I have no confidence in them
to have the right intervention programs required to make sure
kids aren't entering the justice system, because if they had
(10:54):
the answers, Katie, after seven long years, they would have
already done it. This government is out of ideas, they're
out of touch and they are just not listening.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well, Leah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
One thing that is being questioned this morning is whether
the COLP is divided. Now we know that there was
certainly a report over the weekend where the Northern Territory
News reported that there was a fight basically between Josh
Burgoyne and Steve Edgington Brakling MLA, of course is Josh
(11:24):
Burgoyne and Steve Edgington is the Barkley member that they
are involved in a heat and verbal exchange at the
Catherine Show on Friday morning.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Leah, what was it about?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh? Look, Katie, I don't know. I read the newsaper
article just like many Territorians did. It's clearly disappointing. But
at the end of the day, Katie, this is a
disagreement between two adults and it's you know, it is
what it is. We're just continuing to focus on making
sure this week in Parliament we have focused on the
issues that territory as as well.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Are you So if they're fighting with each other, I
mean it's a pretty embarrassing situation for them to be
publicly fight with one another.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, it's disappointing, Katie, but you know, it was a
private disagreement between two.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Very private though. When it's in.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Public, well, and that lesson when we learned. I'm sure Katie,
it is what it is. It's disappointing.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But have you spoken to either of those men about it?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
No? I haven't, Katie, because again, this is a private
conversation between two people, and we are so focused on
the job ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Well, you know, I guess I know what you're going
to say, and I know that you're certainly going to
try and bat it off. But I guess the problem
here is is that you know, you're just over twelve
months out from an election.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You guys are the opposition.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You are meant to be presenting yourselves as the alternative government,
and it doesn't look good then to have two of
your pivotal team members fighting publicly. From what we can
gather about the voice.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Look, as I said, Katie, it is disappointing that that happened,
but it's happened. We can't, you know, pretend that it
didn't and ultimately we move forward. You know, it's really
critical we're focused on the job ahead of us. We're
a strong, united, passionate team. I mean, when you pull
seven passionate people together, you know you have robust conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
But Leah, people are going to be laughing as you're
saying that you're a united team while they're fighting, and
one of them's reportedly stormed off.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Well, I think one disagreement is allowed, Honestly, Katie, this
is so small fry compared to the major issues. I
can tell you not sickle.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I agree, I do agree, But the problem here is
I agree it is small fry compared to the issues
of crime and now finding out that the bail amendments
that they're very, very limited, to say the least. And
you know that the government's got the raising the age
of criminal responsibility. It's forging ahead in August, and I
know that those things are not in line with the
(13:47):
community's expectations. But Lea, what I'm trying to say is
that we're twelve months out from an election and people
want to know whether the alternative government actually has what
it takes to stick together. And you know, we're your
teams sort of going to stay together and stay confident
in you.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I can assure territories, this is a disagreement between two
grown men. I'm going to leave it at that, And ultimately,
we are a very strong team of committed, passionate Territorians
who wake up every day to use every breath in
our body to fight for a safe territory, a strong economy,
lower cost of living, and nothing will stop us from
(14:24):
prosecuting that case and making sure that people see how
much Labor has dragged the territory.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's pretty ill disciplined though. I mean, you're heading into
a week of parliamentary sittings. It gives the Labour Party
now the opposition, to have that ammunition to throw at you.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
It is disappointing, Katie. You know I've said that a
number of times. There's no doubt about it. It's a distraction.
But we are not going to keep, you know, talking
about it. We've got to move on. We are all
grown ups and we've got a very very critical and
important job to do. Territorians expect us to do that.
We will do that, and we will continue to make
sure that we are always putting territorians first and making
(15:04):
sure their issues are being heard loud and clear in
the Parliament by this government who has all but packed
up and gone home.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Well, Lea, I'll tell you what, there's so much there
has been so much to discuss already this morning. No
doubt there's going to be throughout the week as well.
I reckon we'll probably catch up with you again through
the week. I appreciate your time this morning and very
keen to find out some further detail about this bail report,
so as we get it, we'll make sure that we
deliver it to our listeners. But yeah, it's going to
(15:31):
be an interesting week in Parliament to say the least.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes, and it sounds like for all the wrong reasons, Katie,
but we'll be there side by side with the community
taking the fight to labor.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Lea Finocchio, thank you for your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Take care everyone,
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