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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We do know that today is the day that the
age of criminal responsibility changes in the Northern Territory. So
that age of criminal responsibility obviously well going up and
joining us in the studio right now is the Opposition
leader Lea Fanocchiaro.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good morning to you, Leah.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Good morning Katie into your listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Lea. Obviously, like I just mentioned that age of criminal
responsibility it changes today.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Do you feel as though we're prepared for it.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
This is a backward step for the territory. It just
further erodes consequences for people who do the wrong thing.
It continues to put the rights of criminals right above
the rights of people to be safe, and it disempowers
our police. I think Territorians are very confused about what
this government is doing when it comes to crime, because
things are only getting worse, not better, and this will

(00:46):
absolutely make it worse.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Leah. I can hear the government right now.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
They'll be saying, you are going against what the experts
are saying. You know, experts are saying that this is
the right thing to do. With the first jurisdiction in
Australia that is going down this path.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Why do you think you know better?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
Because we listen to territorians, Katie, it's us here in
the territory. It's people no matter where you live, bearing
the brunt of this issue. They're the one suffering the
consequences of labours in action on crime and ultimately, by
raising the age of criminal responsibility, all this government is
doing is making it impossible for police to deal with
young people breaking the law under the age of twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
They will never face a day in court.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
The government can't then force these young people into diversion,
into rehabilitation.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
They are they reckon that they're going to be made
to do these programs.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yes, but what government haven't explained, and I challenged them
in Parliament over this last week, is how because if
in according with their new law, I say, an eleven
year old commits it, you know, steals a car, crashes
it into someone's house, the police can't charge them, A
police can't arrest them for that, So then they'll never
face a day in court. So how can then government

(01:59):
make that eleven year old do something they technically have
not broken the law.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
The way that it was sort of explained to me
by the police last week is that you know that
they would obviously if there is a young person who's
committed an offense, that they would then pick that person
up the same as they ordinarily would if they didn't
have a safe home to go to, they would go
into the care of territory families. And that is seen
how I'm assuming that that program would be delivered.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, who knows.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
I have absolutely no confidence in this government to do that.
They've been in power for seven years. We don't have
the programs currently that are dealing with this. We're seeing
escalation in types of offending, escalation and offending full stop,
and so now magically you know there's going to be
some sort of intervention in the lives of these young
people to stop them from committing crimes. I mean, people

(02:48):
just don't believe it, Katie. They have no confidence in
this government's ability to deal with this issue.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, and I think that that's the problem that the
government's got at this point in time, is that people
are feeling really very exasperated by the issues that we've
seen around crime. But we also know that now we've
got a situation where nearly twenty six thousand people. I
haven't actually checked that petition the numbers this morning, but
yesterday it was at almost twenty six thousand people had

(03:12):
signed this petition really for the Northern Territory government to
take further action when it comes to crime following the
tragic death of Decklan Lavity. Now we spoke again yesterday
to Samara Lavity. She said that she was quite flabbergasted
by the fact that, yes, it's a good thing that
obviously this petition's going to go to debate, but the

(03:32):
fact that it's only going for sixteen minutes, I think
is appalling.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, and this is what happens in parliament and unfortunately, Katie,
there is so much bad stuff that happens from the
government and there's just not enough hours in a day
to get it all out there.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
But this happens regularly.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
So under this government there have been twenty four petitions
tabled in Parliament. They then have to go to a
Labor controlled committee and twenty two out of twenty four
have never ever come back into Parliament for debate. Labor
have blocked them before they can ever come back into parliament.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Now we are very happy, of.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Course that the Samara Laviti's petition of Justice for Declan
is coming back into Parliament and the rules of the
Parliament say that that is a sixteen minute debate, But
Labor hold all the power. Natasha Files, if she really
wants to be open and transparent, she can announce the
date and time that that petition will come on so
that territories can be in the gallery, so that Samara

(04:27):
can be in the gallery to listen. And Natasha Files
has the power to make that debate go as long
as it needs to go.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Why is it only sixteen minutes?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Again?

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Government make all the rules of Parliament. They decide those rules,
and that's what they've decided. And I think that just
shows how pathetic they are because even with debates that
only go for sixteen minutes, they still don't even let
petitions come back into Parliament for debate for that tiny
amount of time. I mean, the level of control they
have in crushing our democracy is huge, and you know,

(04:59):
more can be done. Tatasha Files needs to be accountable
to twenty six thousand people who say more needs to
be done.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
The thing that I actually found really sad yesterday was
when Bill Yan was having a chat to us and
he'd revealed the fact that the petition that was put
together following the death of Seafat. That didn't even get
to the point where it's coming back for debate.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
I was horrified.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Katie so nari ar Kit, the Member for Karama, the
Multicultural Affairs Minister, stood up and tabled that petition and
did not refer it to Scrutiny Committee to decide whether
it come back from debate, which meant it could not
go anywhere from that point. You know, the people who
signed that petition after the tragic, horrific death of Seafat,

(05:41):
an international student, will get a little letter back from
Natasha Files now that is inadequate and not good enough.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I was so angry that day.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I stood up in Parliament at the end of the
day and gave a speech on it, and then the
next day in parliament I moved a motion so that
we could debate it during the opposition small amount of
time that we have in parliament, so that will come
up in the coming months. But this is a government
that will stop at nothing to shut down the voices
of people who have grave concerns about the future of

(06:09):
the territory and where it's going.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Keisei Epirica's message through She said that New South Wales
allows an hour for debate.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I mean, at least that would be a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
She did say to me last week that she's going
to make the moves required for this to be debated
as a matter of public importance, and I think that
it is absolutely a matter of public importance.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
And that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
There are some other ways that we can get around,
like I mentioned with moving a motion for seafat. Kesier
can do the matter of public importance for declan, But
it's not the debate on the petition, you know. And
that's what's really sad about this government is even when
twenty six thousand people sign a petition, they don't want
to listen. And so everyone needs to come together and

(06:51):
put pressure on this government. Ring your labor local member,
you know, visit their electorate office, send them an email
and say enough is enough.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
We have to be heard.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
We just deserve to be heard, and more so, we
deserve to be a part of it.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
People deserve to be in Parliament listening to us. The
people are elected to represent them debating such an important issue.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Leah, that numbers now at twenty five thousand, nine hundred
and twenty seven. I've actually never seen a petition in
the Northern Territory reach those numbers. So it does go
to show you that even after the Northern Territory government
made their announcement last week on what they are going
to do in this space, well more than ten thousand
people signed that petition afterwards.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's right, which.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Actually demonstrates to me that what they announced is not
in line with the community's expectations. But Leah, I will
say to you, and I say it to you often
the main criticism that I get of you is that
you are very critical of the government, but you're not
coming out with your own solutions to these problems. So
if you were in the Chief Minister's shoes right now,
what would you do.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
We would not be raising the age of criminal responsibility.
The COLP has legislation in Parliament right now to make
serious breach people who as serious violent offenders start with
a position of no boo. We would make sure that
breach of bow condition is an offense. We would always
put the rights for people to be safe above the
rights of criminals. Re empower our police to deal with

(08:12):
alcohol and problem drunks. I mean, the list is endless
of the policies and the laws we have. I mean,
we've brought laws into parliament Katie that would see first
time offenders have a minimum sentence for assaulting workers people
in their workplace, and they even that was voted down
by Labor.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So what do you say though, to the critics that say, well,
you're going against what the experts are saying at this
point in time, why do you know better?

Speaker 4 (08:39):
Well, Labor like to cherry pick experts and put them
up on a pedestal.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I saw you saying that that's what they've done with
this review.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
With the Bower review, I mean, what a shocker You've
had decl Lavity killed at work. Three days later, Natasha
Files announces an immediate Bower review. The Immediate Bower Review
took five months and at the end of it not
a single change was made mad to Bail. I mean,
how extraordinary and out.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Of touch was that move?

Speaker 4 (09:04):
And yet there is plenty we can do with the
laws to strength and bow. I mean, this government is
going so far as to even blame the courts and
the judges. It's not the courts, it's not the judges,
it's not the prosecutors.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
It is the law.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
The law is too weak and it's because labor have
warded it down.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
You say that.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
They cherry pick who has done that review. Do you
know who actually did the review?

Speaker 4 (09:25):
No, My understanding is it's a couple of public servants
from a range of departments. I'm sure they're all hard working,
good people experienced in their field. But ultimately, we have
a community crying out for action. It does not take
five months to come back with an answer saying oh yeah,
Boo's great, no worries. When every single person in the
territory knows that people are being bowed at extraordinarily high rates,

(09:48):
they're going on to reoffend. And I think the biggest
point that proves my point, Katie, is in that report,
the government cherry picked some data saying that ninety one
percent of people who were bowed didn't go on to
ca admit a violence offense. Now that's an extremely high bar.
The data they should have given territories if they were honest,
is how many people that were bailed went on to

(10:10):
commit any crime. And that's the data they won't answer.
We asked it in question time. They wouldn't answer. And
that's the information people need to know if you're out
on bail and commit another crime.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
There should be a consequence for that LEA.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
In just a couple of moments, we're actually going to
be catching up with well with Bulk Liquids Alliance Organizer
showing result. We know that Eastarm workers who manage the
offloading and storage of fuel have announced it they're going
to begin industrial action against will Royal Vopak starting on Thursday.
I mean this could potentially be a worry for the
Northern Territory when you talk about our fuel supplies and

(10:45):
I guess those prices too, potentially.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, this is a really big issue for our community.
Of course, fuel prices are at all time high. Cost
of living is crippling families and so if this isn't
resolved soon, people are really worried about what that's going
to do to fuel prices are even access to fuel.
So we hope it resolves quickly and that things are
dealt with so that the community doesn't suffer.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Before I let you go, obviously the show was on
over the weekend. You had an absolute cracker by the
look of things, winning a number of cooking categories. A
big question how did things go with Josh Bergorne and
Steve Edgington Following their fight at the Catherine Show.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Oh, I can tell you lovers in the air, Katie.
It was a fantastic show. We had a wonderful time
together as a team. We were also down in Adelaide
River for the Result effect the Hatchet. Oh, that little
tiff is all done and dusted and everyone's moved on
and it was a wonderful Darwin show. They had something
like twenty four thousand people through the gates on Friday.

(11:43):
It was extraordinary.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
So no concerns amongst the CLP right now, everybody's getting
a lot.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
No, No, everything is fine, Katie. That was really blown
out of proportion, but it's all good. We're happy days,
happy campus.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
And no concerns obviously between the parliamentary wing and the
Party around the.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Voice.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
No, absolutely not so as many people would have seen.
There was plenty of no campaigning at the COLP stand
and the party is very proud to be on that side,
standing with Jacinta and we're there connecting with our community
as we do every single day.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
And it was wonderful.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
I gave away that many shopping less Katie, I might
have to do another order.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
My cakes.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, yeah, wonderful.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I was so.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Happy yeah, good on you. Well done. On how many
did you win? How many I got to?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
First?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
First for my damper, first for my sultana cake. Mind you,
I've been baking that sultana cake for twelve years and
never placed, so it was very I feel like I
just earned it on time basically and perseverance. And third
for my antache biscuits and my daughter Eila picked up
two seconds, so well done. Time.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I'll tell you what. You could have brought some
food in for us.

Speaker 4 (12:52):
It was a little maldi on Sunday when I went
and picked it up Katie, so I wouldn't do that
to you, but maybe I've been paying something fresh.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Leofanoki, good to speak with you this morning. Thanks so
much for your time.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Take care everywhere.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Thank you,
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