The Week That Was – 25th August 2023

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me in the studio for the week that was
from the COLP. We've got Marie Claire Boothby. Good morning to.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You, Good morning Katy, and to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
We've got Matt Cunningham from Sky News. He's made his return.
Good morning to you, matte Hey after your documentary, got
your own show on a Friday, very very busy, and
an award, oh yes, a Kennedy award earlier in the
week or last weekend for the phenomenal work that you do.

(00:27):
So we already embarrassed you a couple of times on Monday.
I know you don't like the recognition, Matt.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
But we did it anyway.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Can very well deserved.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Good morn Yeah, he's embarrassed now. Kesier Puric as well
in here this morning.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
The Independent Morny Bush People. And we've also got Brent Potter,
of course from the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Good morning to you, Brent.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Morning Katy, Good morning listeners, and congratulations to parents. Have
got costumes done for book week?

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Oh yes, Brent, we were expecting you to turn up
as where as Wally. As we are told that you
were dressed as at the crossing this morning in Paraz.

Speaker 5 (01:01):
I was and I might end up getting it back
on later. On the same time, I.

Speaker 6 (01:04):
Thought we should also congratulate the children who got dressed
up a book week with no assistance from their parents.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Like mad n.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Growing up and my ten year old.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Daughter basically keeps our household on track. Without there, we'd
all be stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Good to have an organized child, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Now, unfortunately, we are hearing reports that there is some
kind of incident that's happened in the rural area overnight.
The details at this stage are scanned, but we understand
that there was a car that's being driven around, possible crossbows, machetes.
We are just police as we understand that the police
may have apprehended those people, but we are doing our

(01:45):
best to get some further information. Crystal Gordon, my producer,
working furiously out there to get those details very shortly.
But well, it's been a massive week and we know
that yesterday Michael Murphy was appointed as the new Northern
Territory Police Commissioner and CEO of Fire and Emergency Services.
He's going to join us on the show this morning

(02:06):
just after ten thirty. But he joined the Northern Territory
Police Force back in nineteen ninety seven. He served in
a variety of urban and remote locations across the Northern
Territory and Look, I have been told by people within
the force over the last couple of months that since
he's been acting in that role, it has been like
a dark cloud has lifted off the police force. That

(02:29):
people are happy with that leadership approach, they are happy
with the changes that are being made.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I guess only time will tell.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Everybody enters these jobs with the very best of intentions,
but we know that we are a place that's well grippled.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Grippling, however you say it.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Crippled, I should say, is the word that I'm looking for,
grapling or.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Crippled together if you want to, That's what I was doing. Yeah,
we're having real issues with crime.

Speaker 5 (02:59):
You graduate, Everyone's looking at me, so I'll go first.
Normally I got at the end. But anothers in congratulations
to Michael. He is a very deserving recipient.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I think that the force has gone through a period
of turbulent times and cultural reform and a bunch of
stuff during COVID. I think some stability with someone who
knows them intimately is welcomed, and I wish him all success.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
And Look, forward to working with him going forward.

Speaker 6 (03:20):
I think he's probably the right man for the time, Katie.
Knowing Michael Murphy and the sort of fellow he is,
I mean, the biggest problem police have at the moment
is the crippling morale crisis. You know, you look at
that survey from I think the survey in February had
eighty percent of officers saying morale was either low or

(03:40):
very low. And I think ninety seven percent of officer's
surveyed said there weren't enough police to deal with the
rising level of crime that we've got. But you need
someone in there who's going to address and fix that morale.
And I just think Michael Murphy's personality. You know, he's
a very approachable sort of a fella. He's a very
sort of someone who's easy to talk to, I think,

(04:02):
And I think he's the sort of person who'd be
able to talk to a first year constable just like
he could speak to you, his deputy commissioner. So I
think from that point of view, I think he's probably
a good choice.

Speaker 7 (04:15):
We absolutely welcome him as well to that role, and
he really does have a very tough job ahead of him.
I mean, obviously there's been a lot of problems in there.
We have the police that are dealing with rates of
crime across the territory that we have never ever seen before.
I mean certainly not in my whole life living here.
And you know, the thing that I really I'm concerned

(04:40):
about is mister Murphy needs to obviously look after his
troops and get that working, but he needs a government
that supports him and the police force. And you know,
we've seen the NTPA come out really strongly against what's
been happening. They feel like they're not being hurt and
they're at wits end. So you know, mister Murphy has

(05:03):
a huge job and to make sure that he can
work with government as well as with his force, because
you know, while we still have a labor government and
a police minister that continues not to listen to what
they're saying, then you know we're not going to see
a lot of change, and that still concerns territories right
across the board.

Speaker 8 (05:22):
I spoke to you the other day, Katie about the
appointment of Michael Murphy, and I think it's a good move.
I mean, I know him a little bit and he
does seem to be a genuine sort of person and approachable,
you know, And that's why I think he'll be successful.
Like you said, mate, he'll be the right person at
the right time. And that's sometimes how the best leaders
are born or grow up to be a good leader.

(05:43):
It's just you put that person in at the right
time to affect change, whatever that change may be. In
this case, hopefully it's all positive. But as I said
to you, I think that I'll be writing to him again,
apart from offering my congratulations, is to find out exactly
what are his views in regards to bringing back the
school base police constable program and not the exilaris which
clearly are not working based on the number of incidents

(06:04):
that I got out of questions on notice where police
are required to go to schools, and you know, there's
other things like Instagram accounts like police have this. People
look to police to be the pancy of all their problems,
and I don't think that's fair in some ways. I mean,
it's the government legislation that police work with. So if
the legislator absolutely legislation is not such that they can

(06:25):
affect change, well, then we need to look at the
legislation whether it be the bail laws or something else.
So I don't think we should expect Michael Murphy to
suddenly fix all the crime problems in this territory because
that's not realistic and it's not fair, and it's not
what his job is. His job is to provide a strong,
robust police force that's strong internally as well as externally well, and.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Very often they are there right at the end dealing
with the issues that we've got right around the place.
And there's another number of other agencies that are in
place as well, and a number of other NGOs, etc.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Particularly in places like Alice Springs.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Where we do need to make sure that they're working
to the best of their ability so that they're helping
with some of the concerns we've got around youth crime
with alcohol, with all of those types of issues. But
in addition to Michael Murphy being appointed yesterday, we also
know that the territory government, well, they announced that this review.
They gave us some further detail around this review that
Kate Warden had told us about on this show a

(07:18):
little while back, after we'd managed to get our hands
on a letter around the EBA, and the fact that
this review was well attached to this EBA is certainly
my understanding of it.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
But this review is going to get underway.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's going to be it's going to be lead by
the former NT Police officer and former NT Police Association president.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Vince Kelly.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Now we did get that commitment from Kate Warden on
the show yesterday that it will be made public after
it is complete, but it's not going to be complete
until the end of March next year.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Look, I really hope that.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
We're able to get some of the answers that we
need in terms of the morale that is obviously a
huge concerned within the.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Police, but also around these numbers.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I don't think there's been a proper review done for
about ten years.

Speaker 8 (08:07):
I think I think that's right.

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Was Alvan review ten years?

Speaker 8 (08:11):
Yeah, well, at least at least we've finally got a
person who's going to head up this review with support
and secretarial services, because it's been talked about in this
studio probably for about the last five or six months.
We're going to have this review. Oh, we've got to
wait for the Shift Frostering review to take place. So
now that Vince Kelly's been appointed, I hope they can
just get on and do with it, and I'd be
interested also if apart from it looking at the police

(08:33):
force and all their engagement areas that people like me
can contribute to the review in an area where I've
interested in, and clearly that school based constables, but there
are other areas, you know, servicing the Rule area regards
to police and sometimes the response time to go to
things in the rural area is very slow, not because
the police are not doing the job, because there's not

(08:53):
enough cars on the road with police officers to respond
to the incident. So I know that's all we looked
at as well in the review and that's free important
to people.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
In the Rule.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
I'm not sure how wide the remit of the review
is going to be, but on the morale issue, I
think it needs to have a deep dive into how
police are disciplining and even investigating their own I think
we really need to have a look at the extraordinary
number of Section seventy nine's that have been issued over

(09:23):
the past three years which have had a crippling effect
on morale. I think there needs to be I agree
with Mark Turner on this. We put a release out yesterday.
I think there needs to be some kind of independent
look at both the role of issue and the Gwyn issue.
I think in Mark Casey he's part of the disciplinary

(09:46):
process as well. And Mark case is obviously linked with
the zach Rolf case because he's discipline. You know, he
was basically pushed out because he'd spoken up in supportive
zach Rolf. Now, I just think there needs to be
the community needs to have faith that everything that happened
in those cases was above board. And at the moment,

(10:06):
we've got sort of, you know, all of this sort
of smoke around the issue that's never adequately been resolved,
and I think the only way to adequately resolve that
is to have some kind of independent review into what's
going on. And my understanding is that the IKA isn't
looking into it, so I'm not sure who's going to.
Mark Turner says that there should be sort of an

(10:29):
interstate judge or something until that issue is properly resolved.
I think there's always going to be a little bit of.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
The timeframe for the review is six months, and I
mean there's a lot of things that need to be investigated,
including some of the things you touch on their Matt.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
And I mean, there's a few things here.

Speaker 7 (10:45):
Firstly, remember, for Brent, when you're on the show and
you announced the independent inquiry and you said that other
parties would have input as.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
To who would bring you'll be able to write a submission.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, we didn't get told about the review, and no
one's going to.

Speaker 6 (10:57):
More than it.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Actually joined us on the show, and she had revealed
that the review is going to happen, and I know
that Brent had then spoken about it afterwards, but yeah,
I think you know, we do need further detail.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
To know exactly you know, yeah, what it's going to
talk into in the sky.

Speaker 7 (11:08):
What it shows is that this open and transparency that
they talk about, but they say one thing and they
do something else. But the other thing is that this
six month time frame. I mean the bail reviews, which
were supposed to be immediate were five months and that
was the one issue being talked about.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
It was then released and then there was no change
to that review.

Speaker 7 (11:27):
So you know, how are we going to have a
six month review that is going to have to be
really detailed in depth and wide and just focus on
so many issues which are as to keep saying, crippling
the territory.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Well, and look, we know that the Police Association conference
was held Friday last week about this time. So while
we were on air and Nathan Finn had said we
are stretched beyond breaking point.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
We need the government to listen.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
They were the words of Nathan Finn as he addressed
the association's annual conference. Now he said that he's sick
of talking to the government on what members deserve. I'm
sick of getting lip service from these people telling us
they're doing everything they can when that's not the case.
I don't want to see words.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
See action, and we need action now. The most telling
thing is that we're two hundred members short now. Obviously
we spoke to the Police Minister on the show yesterday.
The government's come out, they've obviously made this pretty you
know like they've then come out this week and acted
and announced the terms and reference terms and references of
the review. But interestingly, when we did interview Kate Warden yesterday,

(12:31):
I thought to myself, you know, they're wanting to work
with the Northern Territory Police. But then she was sort
of having a crack at the president and you know,
and I guess that she's probably not overly happy with
the comments that were made last week at the Police
Association conference, but I think it's high time for the
government to sort of, you know, to understand that these
attacks or these kind of these discussions are not personal.

(12:53):
They are the police force saying, you know, this is
where we need some help, this is where we're falling short.
This is where we need the government to listen. And
when crime is the number one issue for a lot
of territories right now, and the police are saying that
morale or they've certainly said in the last couple of
months at morale with that survey is such a huge
issue for them, we actually do need to listen, like

(13:14):
the community needs it, the Northern Territory needs that to happen.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
So before we jump to two different topics, I go
back to the police review. It'll be one hundred percent
transparent and open, so we will release the findings at
the completion in March and it will not go to
making election commitment and policies from a labor.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Game been full.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
I don't know how much clearer we can be.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
The Minister got out, the Chief got out and said
it will be one hundred percent public when it's completed
in March, that do you believe.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
It will be public because I know I've just got yesterday,
but they always say that.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
Well, I've never known Brent to break his promises, but
I wouldn't and I'm not going to start on this
one for the rest of his colleagues. But maybe you'll
be in cabinet by that stage.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
You might know something I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
To come on here and I'll go back.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
I'll go back to this and then we'll get onto
Flinny's comments.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
There will be an opportunity for people to put submissions
in like any review. And from day dot I said
it should never have been a parliamentary one. Our pockets
don't need to get fatter from doing a parliamentary inquiry,
which the opposition wanted.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
And ironically, yes, you do.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
You get paid an allowance when you go on a committee,
and secondly.

Speaker 5 (14:23):
Committee independence and this is what we got. But back
to Flinny's comments.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Back to Flinny's comments.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
He's absolutely entitled and right to say what he said.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
He's representing his members, and you know it's disappointing he
thinks that's how we feel. I certainly don't begrudge him
for being completely honest in that forum.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
And we've got a long way to go with him,
there's no doubt about it.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
But before the opposition jump in and say well, you're
not listening, you're not doing I've read the NTPA conference
remarks when they are in government and it was the
same thing. You know, there was very similar discussions from
them and commentary back now.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
It was very direct and blunt between the eyes at
the conference and I think it needed. And we've come
in and announced this and he'll get an opportunity to be
part of it. And I'm actually led to believe that
they were involved in the development in.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Terms of references.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I'll be talking to him just after ten o'clock this morning,
and I know that Kate Warden was certainly at pains
to say that yesterday. So I am keen to find
out whether they were indeed involved in those terms of
reference discussions because my understanding is that it was a
call up the day before.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah, And I'm believe I need to get a
call from the Minister's office.

Speaker 8 (15:26):
Isn't that's not surprising the day before, not one hundred percent,
that's not surprising With this government because they do talk
to talk about community consultation, but when it comes to
actually doing it properly, I mean the Police Association should
have been involved at the very beginning when they started
to say we're going to have a review into a
police structure, frame works, morale whatever. So just have discussion

(15:50):
the day before. That doesn't give Nathan Win any time
to talk with his executive, let alone his members in
regards to the terms of reference going forward.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
So Lips and let's go back to when we first
were talking abound EBAs. There was absolutely a discussion at
that point in writing, as you've you've rightly seen or
been aware of. So to say that it happened the
day before, I don't necessari think's a.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Hundred in terms of reference or the actual you know previous.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
You remember there's been a presidential change in the NTPA recently,
so there's not to say that we haven't had discussions before.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
And like I said, I'm going to be really interested,
Nathan Finn says this morning, and I think that you
know what we're seeing here though, is you know again
the police Minister said on the show yesterday, I don't
want to get in a tit for tat, but she'd
gotten into a tit for tat and it had already started.
And you know, when you're trying to rebuild a relationship

(16:38):
with a police force, I don't think that. I think
it's a slippery sort of path to go to forget.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
The police conference was only a week ago.

Speaker 7 (16:45):
So I'm not sure why at that particular conference did
they not start announcing a new commissioner and also announcing
the police review and the terms of reference at that conference.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
That's nothing for politics.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
But you literally would sit, you'd come straight out of
that and go, you've just played politics at the NTPA conference.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
So we did.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
We've done it a week later, and now you're saying
that we should have done it there.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Come on, now, wasn't rushed after the Police Association conference?

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Was it pushed through?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
No?

Speaker 6 (17:11):
It wasn't.

Speaker 5 (17:12):
And and listen, you know you need to speak to
the minister about you know what the timelines were.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
But I can absolutely tell you it wasn't us because
I came on the show probably two months ago and
spoke about it.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
So but I mean in terms of like, in terms
of that announcement happening this week, Oh, I'm not the minister.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I don't know when they do their stuff right. I'm
not in the cabinet. I'm a mere local member. But
I can say the.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Choice not how much longer? Brand well at least to
the next election.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Announcements election, the rumors are that there's going to be
a cabinet reshuffle.

Speaker 5 (17:39):
Well, who's telling you that? Because I haven't heard it.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Two people, you.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Probably know something I didn't.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
So it's true that the caucus is usually the last careful.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Because the last person that got that got, you know,
promotion to the to the cabinet was Kate Warden after
she'd been on the Week that was a number of times.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Flogging say I'm not getting promoted to cabinet and I'm
the member for Fanny Bay and I'll continue to.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Be the member for Well, look, we are going to
take a bit of a break. You are listening to the.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Week that was in the studio this morning. We've got
Marie Claire boothby Matt Cunningham, Keziapurican, Brent Potter. Now, in
some updated information, we are now being told that a
group of youth and adults in a stolen car allegedly
tried to steal another car on Bolta Road in Berrimer
at two am this morning, but fled after being interrupted
by the owner.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Three hours later, the.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Same group targeted an apartment complex in Kuoler Linga with
reports they tried to steal another car and threatened the
owner with weapons. Just before seven am, the Volkswagen SMV
was spotted traveling along the Stuart Highway towards Humpty Doo
trident traffic and general duties and the dog squad set

(18:48):
up a cordon and stop the car using tire spikes,
arresting all occupants after a short police chase. So well
done to those Northern Territory police on being able to
app hend that vehicle. And another example, I guess of
some of the difficult work that they do that we
actually saw in a video towards the end of last week.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
I just don't put it on Facebook because that would
be bad.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
It's criticism apprehending the vehicle, it's apprehending the the well
people committing they're stealing and they are looking to commit
further crimes and do harm. And you know, good on
the police. And I know that whatever the squad is
that has the dogs in it, Dog squad, the dog squad.
They do a fabulous dog with those, Oh.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Daily they'll just.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Pick up a new commentary around the Chuldan's commissioner. I
mean the irony and gore of that individual to get
on and have a go at the cops for chasing down,
ultimately criminals that had stolen the car and for putting
it up on Facebook showing territories exactly what they do.
Great work and I'd love to see more of it,
but I'd love to see that person come out and
criticize the youth that them putting their stuff on TikTok

(19:55):
and mocking the victims, because I think it's a double
standing that needs to be called out. And to enter
police and those guys right now and trying the Dog
Squad well done, and I hope to see the video
from I.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Can't believe that Brent and I actually agree on something.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Relationship, you know, to say that it's really hard to
watch that vision of criminals being apprehended. I mean, how
hard would it be for our hardworking police to actually
go through that every single day.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I had someone say to me, I'd like to sponsor
one of the dogs from the Dog Squad, like people
think that the dogs and the police that they're you know,
when they're actually doing this job that, let's be honest
about it, it's bloody dangerous as well. For the Northern
Territory Police, you're putting yourself in a dangerous situation by
having to chase a stolen vehicle.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
But the irony is not lost on me either. That's right,
the irony is not lost on me either.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
That we're in a situation where, you know, you've got
the National Children's Commissioner calling for this vision to be
taken down. Meanwhile you've got youths or adults who are
committing crime sharing it on TikTok, sharing it on Facebook,
and you know, sharing it on Instagram and not actually
even getting sort of further I don't even think that
they cop further trouble or what's the right word, punishment

(21:04):
when they are sharing stuff like this, when they're actually
doing the wrong thing and sharing.

Speaker 8 (21:08):
It, Katie, I know that sadly, there's on Instagram in particular,
there's pages in regards to to mimm in college and
you know they call it to mimin fights, and I
reckon all the other high schools have probably got something similar,
whether it be palmessedon fightsol Sanderson fights or whatever, and
so it raises the question like how how does the
government work with those kind of businesses or national agencies

(21:32):
to get these pages taken down.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I don't know, but something's got to happen here.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
Censoring Sky News Award journalists.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Parents that have taken their devices off their children, like
for weeks and weeks on because you're right, they're watching
those awful videos. You know, they are encouraged to have
things like laptop devices and stuff at school, and of
course there's no phones in school, but it's all the
stuff that happens at recess, lunch and after school. And
these parents are wits end because they know that the
criminals that continue to put up all this footage and
it continues to be watched by our young people and

(22:06):
nothing happens to them.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I'm not aware if there is an aggravating factor that
adds to crimes.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
The Police Association called for it this they did, que Well,
I reckon you should I actually reckon the Northern Queen.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
That does need to yes added in recently some aggravating circumstances.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
You guys, already the association we had they used to
know how long ago I wanted.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I didn't want to speculate because I couldn't remember exactly
what the wording was, but I do believe that when
Queensland did it, we said we I think Kate said.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
She'd have a look at it.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
So from the Police Association conference, I'm just trying to
find the information from this week. So basically they had
actually said in there that they would like they're concerned
with the increased use of vehicles being driven in a
manner which weaponizes that vehicle, and also that this offending
should be included in a new presumption against bail. The
NTPA also wants to see new legislation which makes actions

(22:56):
such as posting videos of offending on social.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Media and aggravation.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any everyday
territory and that disagrees.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
With that, don't you reckon?

Speaker 7 (23:06):
And we're preparing our ram raid legislation which we want
to see, which is in line with what the NTPA
is saying.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
There.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
There's no reason why the government can't get prepared the
social media legislation and get that up and running in August.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
It can happen, turning every carr in a weapon I
just won't be very clear for your listeners, Katie, because
I know this comes up every time the CLP gets
in Parliament and will debate it next week. No doubt,
the cars being used in a dangerous manner we can
become an offensive weapon. And I actually watched this segment
from Territory Cops from a while back where that was
one of the crimes that they apprehended the individual. So
what we don't want to do is put a blanket

(23:38):
a blanket across every crime, because some things will need
to have their own flee into it.

Speaker 5 (23:45):
I guess when they get before the courts has got
its own circumstances.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
But at the moment, if you use a car for
that particular purpose, it could be classified as offensive weapon.

Speaker 8 (23:52):
Well, I mean that we've got legislation regards to hooning.
You know, cars can get confiscated for a period of
time for court if they're court. So I don't see
is as a legislative problem or issue to amend whichever
the piece of legislation is to have it as an
aggravating or contributing factor to the crime.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
I mean, you're dangerous driving, causing hid.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's just a very simple thing.

Speaker 7 (24:13):
But the message it sends for the community is that
you're willing to look at all your safety seriously. Yeah,
that's right because clearly by ordering it down and saying oh,
it's already there, it's already there. Well it mustn't be
there because we still have people doing it all the time,
just legislation which will.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Not have done.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Look, just while we're all just when we are talking
about parliament, we know that Parliament resumes next week. There
has something that we've spoken about throughout this week has
been the suspension of standing orders. First thing Tuesday morning
for the debate or four I should say, the petition
around Deckland Lavity and justice for Deckland Lavity to be debated.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
The Government, as I understand it, has now written to
the COLP to say that those standing orders are going
to be suspended. So it is the first the first
thing that we'll be discussed on Tuesday morning at ten am.
Is it going to be discussed for longer than sixteen minutes?

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yes, I would say so.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Right. So I sat in the Parliamentary Acounts Communite, I
moved the motion to bring it before the House.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
So that's all I think.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
I text you and told you that when not keasy,
when Robin was here, and it is important for Territorians,
and we will debate it and it'll come before Parliament
first thing in the morning and listen if I get
If the opportunity is there for me to talk, I'll
absolutely talk on it, which would indicate that it has
to be longer than sixteen minutes. I've not seen the
letter that the Opposition have been provided, and I'm not
aware of any additional time that's been allocated, but I

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know that it has been a discussion internally that we
want to do.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
Just to be clear, the debate for a petition is
always sixteen minutes, unless, of course, you suspend sunding orders,
which the government can do.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
They've made lots of changes to Parliament.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
You can move to Suspenis past. We've got to agree
to it.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
That's right, yes, and by.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
The sounds of it they are that's based on that lease.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
We are going to debate it at ten o'clock on Tuesday,
and I absolutely encourage all of the community to come
to Parliament House and listen to what that happens. What
we have had confirmed is the time of that. So
Natasha files up to being dragged, kicking and screaming to
actually tell everybody when it was going to be. Still
didn't commit to the time being extended. All she said,
and it's in writing, is it will be debated in full.

(26:13):
Now in full could mean full sixteen minute petition. So
we really need to tash a file to tell the
community that we are all going to have an opportunity
to speak.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
If it's sixteen minutes, that's like two minutes each.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
That's three minutes members each members allocated three minutes understanding.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
All not possible.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
I mean, you know that's all the labor members going
to have their say? Are the independence and all the
opposition going to be able to speak in full for
that debate?

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Well, I've never been in there for a debate before.
What and I didn't realize it was three minutes and
that's that's pretty short to debate something is important to this.
I don't know what the time extension is going to be.
I haven't had that discussion with the chief or lead
of gament business. You guys have written to them. I
think that's a discussion back and forward. What I will say, though.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Can you go into bat for the community.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Like before the Parliament. I want to talk about it,
and I just made it very clear. I want to
be able to.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Stand than sixteen minutes.

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Can we think if I want.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
To be able to talk, it's going to be longer
than sixteen minutes. And I'll go and talk to my
colleagues and see where they like.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Can you can you go and fund a farm?

Speaker 5 (27:06):
It's not box the inn here. I want to talk
on it.

Speaker 8 (27:08):
I think I think it's I think it's it's been
curious from day one, this whole, not the death of
Declan and the sadness to his family or the tragedy
is that you can't tell me. And listeners out there
are smart enough to know. The Public Accounts Committee was
directed to bring it back into the parlor. I disagree
with you, Brent, are you in the no? But I

(27:29):
know how these things work. The three Labor members would
have got their directions from their caucuses to what they
were doing. It happened with the Labor Party, it happens
with the COLP. That aside, it's done now it's come
back into the parlent for debate, and that was the
standing orders. What happens when you change standing orders is
you don't always know the consequences like one two four
years down the road. So when we made the change
and made it sixteen minutes, I can't recall why it

(27:50):
was sixteen and three miles each, because it was probably
a petition to do with street crossing or something of
that nature. But it might be something that the Standing
Orders Committee now has to take back to give more
flexibility to that standing order, such that if there is
a request by members of the Parliament to have a
longer debate, well that is allowed somehow in the Standing Orders.
But Mary Clay is quite correct, and I've said this

(28:11):
before to you, Katie, is the government has said, yes,
they'll support a motion to suspend the standing orders, push
the rule book aside to debate the petition up front.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
That's fine.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
Are you also going to support the suspension of the
standing orders to scrap the time frame. That's not what
the government hasn't said to us. I think Kate's also said,
Kate Wardens, the Minister for Police has said yes, And
you're saying.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Britain they want to speak.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
That would be a fullsome fulsome debate, which means it
could go all day and that's probably rightly so, like.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
We're not only talking about the issue.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I want to point out that, look, I know that
this petition is the petition that you know that indeed
Samaralavity is you know, is behind following the absolutely terrible situation.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
With her son.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
But let's not forget there was also a petition following
the death of seafat the International students. Now was it.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Referred to the community?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Wasn't referred So look, I think it's incredibly important that
Territorian's voices are heard and you know, whether you agree,
whether you disagree with whatever a petition is on something
as important as that, and following the death of that
international student, it actually like it makes me really sad

(29:23):
that you can have a situation here where a petition
can be signed by a large number of people, it
can be signed by not as large a number of people.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
But that doesn't mean that it's any less important.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
Let's remember that the Parliament is for the people, it's
not for politicians. We're there to represent our communities and
to also think. And I'm not sure if the listeners know,
but Samara Lavity she booked her flights to come to
Darwin for the sittings because she knew that she was
hoping that she put the pressure on the government to
make this petition be debated in full. Now she's booked

(29:55):
those flights now, but she got the text message to
say that it was going to be on Tuesday, like yesterday,
and that's festerday. You know, like to think that, you know,
she is the one that's put the petition forward, She's
gathered all those signations because she is the one grieving
and hurting the most. To only receive a text message,
I mean that wouldn't have given her enough time if

(30:15):
she was planning to book flights. I mean, especially with
our whites in Darwin Okatie.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
There's an important thing I think that needs to be
pointed out to people listening and to anyone for that matter.
Petitions have a very old, long history, going back to
the old English times, and a petition is what you
take or someone brings to the parliament because the humble
person cannot the humble person cannot get access to the parliament,
to the members of Parliament, to.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
The executive and so on.

Speaker 8 (30:39):
So a petition is a very important instrument for the
average person to have their issue heard. Now, I think
we shouldn't lose sight of that. I mean, whether the
issue is about a school crossing or the weather, it's
about a death of a son, the issue is the
petition is an important thing and it should always be
taken seriously.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
And there are cases.

Speaker 8 (30:56):
There's a case in New Zealand where a man petitioned
the New Zealand Parliament in regards to loss of compensation
on his farmland. He had no other way, He'd exhausted
all his other avenues legally, so he petitioned the parliament
in regards to his issue and it got debated and
it was found in his favor. So petitions can be
a very powerful tool. And I think missus Labberty has
done exactly that. She is so grieved and so concerned

(31:20):
about the territory and where her son was lost, that
she is petitioning through a member's because you can't petition herself.
But she's a petitioned through a member to get the
issue heard. And that's why it has to have a
complete fulsome debate. If it takes all day, so be it.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Look we are going to take a bit of a break.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three
sixty A real change of pace when we come back,
because the Northern Territory opposition leader Leo Fanocchiario, revealed on
the show throughout the week that she's going to vote
against the proposal to enshrine an Indigenous voice to Parliament.
I just mentioned quantas off air and everyone is blowing up.
We'll talk about that shortly, but I want to talk

(31:57):
firstly about the fact that throughout the week Leah fan Occhiaro,
the opposition leader, joined us on the show and revealed
that she is going to vote against the proposal to
entrine an Indigenous voice to Parliament in the Constitution. So
she told us she's voting no because the government had
failed to provide enough detail about what the voice was
and how it would work.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
I agree with her.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
I've been since the referendum day has been announced, and
even in the last week or two, I've had original
amount of people come in, when's this referendum going to
be happening? So now I can give them a date
and the polling booz will be like an election and
they just say, well, what's it all about? So I
try and expand the best I can. Now we have
this Yularu statement and we've got some pamphlets I think out.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Of the electoral commissioners.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
Sure, yep.

Speaker 8 (32:43):
So I've given that to people. And then what's on
the media, and Leah's quite correct, there has been very
little information. If it's down south, it's definitely not up here.
And my concern and I have read the Marcia Langton
and Tom Carmer report and what's in it. It's about
an inch thick in paper terms, and I'm concerned that
we're looking to be another at Sick.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
So we're going to have.

Speaker 8 (33:05):
National councils, regional councils, local level councils, We're going to
have secretary supporting this group, secretary supporting that group.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
What are they actually going to do to the common
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
But I did have a meeting with Senator McCarthy in
regards to this, and you know, she was providing some
information and my question to her was has the federal government.
Has your government done any kind of consideration or thinking
as to what will happen when or if this doesn't succeed,
Like referendas are very tricky, as we know, and I
didn't really get a decent answer. I mean, it's dividing

(33:37):
the community as it is now, you know, and it's
the divide is only going to get bigger. So you've
there's been a whole amount of money spent, and I've
been I've been threatened by Noel Pearce, not physically, I've
been threatened by him. I've been threatened by Marcia Lanthon
telling me, you know, if you don't do this, then
we know, welcome to country.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
And Noel Pearson has said as in you personally, I
was going to say, good, that's me.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
That Thomas Mayer bloke, he's also come out and said,
you know, a bunch of useless white.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Pricks or whatever. You know, did he say that or
are you well he could have done He most well
have done.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
I think I think him.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
I think so. He's been critical of the people who don't.

Speaker 6 (34:13):
Want if you know, Thoms to Thomas faced criticism after
he was recorded in a in a speech saying talking
about reparations but at the same time, I mean I
sat down with Thomas for a lengthy interview and I
thought he made some pretty reasonable points and he was
talking about the issues we're facing here in Darwin at

(34:34):
the moment and saying that you know, we need to
do something differently to address some of these issues that
we're seeing now. Now I'm not making an argument for
or against the voice, but I'm just saying, if you're
going to if you're going to say that he's you know,
just that's certainly not what he was saying to me.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
We've had him on.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
As well in the early days, and he was very
reasonable about his argument, very respectful about his argument.

Speaker 8 (34:58):
Me and a whole lot of constituents and others, friends, family, whatever,
are fed up was being dictated to by these career people,
Aboriginal people in the abriginal industry about we're racists if
we don't support yes. I would have seen that one
hundred times if I've seen it one time. Well, and
people are just getting fed up with being dictated to.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, I think people are actually think election.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know, it's going to be really interesting to see
how things go. Matt.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
We're anticipating that it's going to be October fourteen, is
that right? The referendum days.

Speaker 6 (35:27):
And the Prime ministers announcing the date next Wednesday in Atala,
so it looks like October fourteen. Mildurie McCarthy's already said
you can't really hold it November December because it's the
wet season here and that was true.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Be a bit yeah, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Sorry, No, I just want to add let me just quickly.

Speaker 8 (35:43):
Page one hundred and eighty one of the Karma Langton
report states the final proposal is for an Office of
the National Voice with a CEO and policy and admin staff,
which should be entirely separate from any existing body. This
is in addition to the actual Voice Membership and Ethics Council,
two permanent advisory groups, and a scope for National Voice
with a CEO and policy and admin stuff which should

(36:04):
be entirely separate from the existing body. This is in
addition to the Actual Voice Membership and Ethics Council, two
penet groups, et cetera, et cetera. I must saying it's
another at Sick, except it's going to be admiginal torrestate
islander Commission for those who don't know at Sick or
what was at Sick, And so it's going to be
a massive buocracy. And my serious concern is is this
going to help the people at Lajamanu. Is this really

(36:25):
going to help the people out it?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Well, what people are starting like, that's what people are
questioning is if it's going to make a difference. But
then the other side of the argument is the way
that we're doing things right now isn't working and it's
not getting any better. Indigenous issues are not getting any better.
And if you don't have self determination and you don't
have that leadership you know, coming through from Indigenous people,
or if we don't have the body, is it ever

(36:49):
going to get better if there isn't that voice that
I suppose the other side of the argem.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
We want to look at the Local Government Act and
how that works, because people in Indigenous communities will tell
you when you go and visit that that decision making
being removed from them all those years ago. I think
it was Claire Martin and she even was quoted at
an event recently that that was her biggest regret been
taking that away from them.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
They want that back.

Speaker 7 (37:13):
So, you know, wouldn't it be better to look at
those solutions here in the Northern Territory? So it is
local decisions. I mean, there's nothing worse for Territorians than
a couple of people sitting offices in Canberra telling us
what to do. They may not have even visited us before.
We already have plenty of Northern territory representatives in Canberra
and they're Indigenous as well, which is you know, it's

(37:34):
even better for having our voice in Canberra rather than
Canberra coming and telling us what to do.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
I think at this point, every politician, every commentator has
said their piece is trying to influence people.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
One way or the other.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
I will be voting yes, but I won't be pushing
it on people. I think this is the benefit of
a referendum. Everyone gets the choice to vote. I think
as Australians and as territories at the end of it.
If it isn't no, at the end of it, we
just need to figure out how we move forward together.
Because I think yeah, and I'm not going to push
it yes or no on anyone. I think there's enough
information for people that want to be informed to be informed.
I am disappointed. I am disappointed that it's taken all

(38:10):
this time for Lee to come out. She's virtual sitting
it the whole way through. I think just should have
been done at the start, like we know that.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
What has started that though, I mean, well we tell
on every single train you.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Just asked the question who started. You just asked the
question for ages. She's been asked situation she was sitting,
and yes she was. She's had her signs at every
one of her functions saying no. But they're not telling
people how she's going to vote.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
All I'm saying is at the very start we knew
this is going to be outcome, Just don't it and
let's move forward.

Speaker 6 (38:35):
Well, I think there's been some serious division withinside about
the issue. Conscious absolutely, but there's no doubt there's been
a division within the c LP. I mean laws and
broad resigned over the issue, and it's an individual thing.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
One of our listeners has just been in contact and said, Katie,
could you please ask the police why MT votes aren't
recognized with the same weight as the stuff like Queensland
or New South Wales.

Speaker 8 (39:01):
I mean that's because David, it's a very good question
and the simple answer is, we are not a state.
We are self governing territory. The first, when you go
and cast your vote at the ballot box for the referendum,
you are counted in the national tally. So the country
voted this way. Then the constitution says we must have
a majority of states. The six states so four states
have to have the majority. Yes in those states we're

(39:23):
not a state. So in the second round across the country,
Northern Territory Act is not counted.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
So we effectively don't count at all.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
We efectually don't count.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Dave that we have the most to gain or lose.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
North Australia has the most.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Again work yes, NT but North Australia, because I think
we can't just put it in by state and territory.
North Australia needs to be represented.

Speaker 8 (39:42):
Said having said that, I recommend that you do go
and vote in the referendum because this is this is
what our country is all about.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
We have this luxury.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I call it a luxury. So many people around the.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
World die trying to have them vote. No Wings.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
If you're not going to vote, pease, don't Wings. You
make sure that you go and vote and do it properly.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
That's the problem I think they got in the States
at the moment with the presidential elections coming up, that
they don't have menage voting.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
I think that's scaring in itself.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Well, look, we are going to have to take a
very quick break. You are listening to mix one oh
four nine's three p.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Sixty.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
When we come back, we're going to be talking about
those Quantas profits. And if you've just joined us in
the studio this morning, we've got Brent Potter, KEESI, EPUIC,
Matt Cunningham and Maurray Clare Boothby. And I tell you
what Australians are fuming because Quantus has posted a record
underlying profit of two point four to seven billion dollars
after a ten billion dollar lift in revenue in the

(40:31):
twenty twenty three financial year and thirty percent more expensive airfares,
So the result represented a four point three billion dollar
turnaround on last year's one point eighty six billion dollar loss,
while the statutory pop profit was a record one point
seven four billion dollars, up from an eight hundred and

(40:51):
sixty million dollar loss in twenty twenty two. Meanwhile, tri
flying two anywhere from the Northern Territory or regional.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Part of Australia and it's going to cost you an
arm and a leg.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
You might need to auction off a kidney to be
able to afford to go and fly somewhere.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
What's the definition of gas lighting? Because I.

Speaker 4 (41:15):
Because I reckon, I reckon, mister Joyce, he was shocked
when he got the question, and I was like, how
did you not Matt did how did you not see
that question coming?

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Though?

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Like the fact that he was so oblivious to that
Australians are going This just doesn't meet the pub test.
You know, we gave you two and a half billion
dollars in the federal government. Qatar airlines try to come
in and they stopped, and they stopped that and then
you record profits.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
You know, you're taught you're turning a profit.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Your shareholders are great and they're happy, but people can't
get a fly to get a seven hundred dollars to Brisbane.
It's cheaper to go to Port Moresby for this Coacota
track walk that I'm doing. I think he really needs
to start putting that money back into the airline pair,
not the planes.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
They were coming some grief recently and so they brought
out this international or sale right so you could fly
to the US right from Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane from about
eleven hundred bucks return. The problem from Darwin was was
going to cost you fourteen hundred bucks return to get
from exactly.

Speaker 7 (42:13):
It's look, Katie, I made it really clear to Alan
Joece when I met him here, when he was in Darwin.
The Territorians needed more flights and cheaper flights, so you
know the fact that he is not ready for those
questions about you know, being able to deliver that for us.
I mean, I also made it really clear that the
NT in quantus stands for Northern Territory, so and I

(42:33):
do recognize that it needs to be a co contribution
with governments and of course quantas, but I also noticed
that he made it really clear back then that crime
was having that impact on that demand.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Now I'm not done.

Speaker 7 (42:44):
I definitely agree with him on that, but I disagree
with him just leaving the territory for dead and making
our flights so much more expense than of course having
limited options.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
He was talking about Jetstar offering low cost flights, but
I think that two o'clock in yeah, exactly right, and
I know why they do it, and listen, airlines have
got to turn a profit, and historically airlines have never
turned a profit generally speaking, and we lost ants, and
I think we missed an opportunity back then to bail
them out and have two airlines that were national carriers
competing against each other. And that would have driven profits down.

(43:15):
But they really need to have a go look good,
hard look at themselves. And I hope when he leaves,
at the change in leadership and at the board level,
they look at the northern territory of Northern Australia with
a better bit of.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
View of it.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
And the thing is, if you live anywhere regionally, like
we think we're being charged an enormous amount here in
Darwin and in Alla Springs, which we absolutely are, but
you live anywhere regionally and it is shocking. And I
just think that those airlines, you know, in terms of
your connectivity, but in terms of not you know, it's
not necessarily easy then for a new airline.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
To be able to enter any market.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
So they've just got this monopoly over Australia, but they're
not being fair with regional Australia.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
I'm hoping that the Airline Attraction Fund will entice the
likes of Bondsar and Rex and those two to Darwin.
I'm led to believe those discussions are progressing really well
and so I look for a positive outcome in that.
And that's you know, markle Boof, you said it just
before you know, there's a role for government to play
in that and that's what we've done with the ten
million match by the Airport Development Group and we'll see
how that plays out as they continue negotiations.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
I still remember the boom times will when you could
get a ten dollar flight to Melbourne from Darwins. They'd
come out and you'd buy ten of them in one
go and just if you went three times, you're still
in front question. But I actually think the cost of
air travel is really hampering our population through the moment
because people who are close to their relatives into state,

(44:38):
they won't move here for a length of time because
you go home, go home once and that's your annual holidays.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I agree not to mention then tourism. You know, you
look at a place like Alice Springs are RULARU. I'd
love to take the kids there throughout the school holidays,
but unless you've got a week to drive there, it's
too expensive to take a family of four. That's you know,
it does have a huge impact on a lot of
you know, in a lot of ways. Think it is
something that I know it's not an easy fix, but
it is something that has to be worked upon, particularly

(45:05):
when you look at the fact that Quantus received a
large amount of subsidies, didn't they throughout the COVID time,
And so go, come on, you need to be you
need to be realistic here well.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
And buy more planes.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
Like he's like, we're going to buy this many more
planes over the next decade. It's like, well, yeah, what
about cheaper flights for for everyone?

Speaker 2 (45:22):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (45:23):
It's a given that you're going to buy new planes
because that's the nature of your business. That's not like
and you want good planes and a good safety and.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Donate like you're doing as a favor by buy them
because you're not.

Speaker 8 (45:35):
That's right, because that's that's your business. That's your core
business is having aeroplanes for us to hop onto to
get somewhere safely.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (45:43):
I think it's beholding upon government and perhaps some of
the big industry players to get and have big serious
discussions with Quantas, whether together or separately, to get the
outcome because it impacts on businesses too. As you know,
well you going down to other springs and there's a
lot of business traffic between down and Alice as we
know and Alison Adelaide and it is just horrendous and

(46:03):
those costs are passed on to the consumers.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
Two grand return last time I went to Alie Springs.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Yeah that's obscene. Well look, we are going to have
to wrap up for this morning unless you want to
go for another hour. Better not.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
We've got Michael Murphy and Nathan Finn having a chat
with us after ten o'clock.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Murray Clear boothby from the CLP, Thanks so much for
your time.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
This morning, Katie.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
And a shout out to the Parmesan Raiders and the
Parmesan Northern Sharks because they've got their presentation day on
Sunday for the juniors. It's been a really good season
for those teams.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Excellent. Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Thanks mate, you show
back on today.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Four o'clock will be three point thirty dar in time.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Excellent TV. I'm make sure watching it. Good stuff, kezyer
today today, gracious go Matt Meland you're busy.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'll be washing my hair.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
Good on.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Thank you, Brett Potter, thank you for your time this morning.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Thanks Katie. We might get a gold LOGI for Matt
if he's on TV as well. Make it happen Matt
for the gold LOGI.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Go there all right, we are going to have to
wrap up the week that was