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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We were due to catch up with well with Counselor
Morgan Rickard. He's due to join us on the phone
or in studio actually the chan ward Counselor Morgan Rickard.
Unfortunately he's not here, so I don't know exactly what's
going on, but we will continue to try and get
him on the show because as we know, last night
the City of Darwin voted on that motion which had
(00:22):
been moved suggesting it openly support the Yes campaign in
the Voice referendum. So we heard on the show yesterday
that not everybody was on board, including the Lord Mayor
convat Scarles and Morgan Ricard had been in contact with
the station to say that he'd felt that there was
some inaccuracies throughout that interview and wanted the right of reply.
(00:43):
We were really happy to have him on, so I'm
not too sure what's gone on, but not able to
get him well, he's not here in the studio, so
I'm not one hundred percent sure what has gone on,
but we do have on the line right now, Councilman
Mick Palmer. Good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You, mere morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Get I now, Mick, what happened last night?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh? Well, the motion was moved and second and I
moved it a procedural motion that it be immediately adjourned,
which was put by the Lord Mayor and supported by
a good majority of counselors.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Now what does that mean to the everyday person listening
this morning, the procedural motion being put that it be adjourned.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Or what that means? It's adjourned to the next council
meeting on the seventeenth of October. So how come you
did that? Well, I thought, you know, this is a
motion that was put to us on the last Thursday,
and the proponent claiming to have consulted with the community
and had white community support, but gave the other all
(01:50):
the mineral Council a very little time to consult with
their constituents. So I put the proper thing to do
would be to adjourn it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh look, Mick, We've had a lot of people contact
us and they have said that, you know, why is
the council even debating this, or why is the council
even going to debate this. It's a referendum. Everybody's going
to have their own opportunity to vote come October fourteen.
People saying things like it is not the business of
the Council to be determining whether or not counsel those
(02:20):
working at the council chambers or wherever else should or
should not wear their yes shirts or have posters up.
So I know that there's been a lot of that
sentiment in the community. We've heard a lot of it
on the show, but others are going to be listening
this morning, Mick thinking, have you and con been a
bit sneaky here?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Sneaky? God forbid?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well have you known the have you sort of known
the motions and you know what you could and couldn't
get away with more than maybe counselor.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Ricard did oh not keep myself breast of the of
the procedures in council. I was at one stage leader
of government business in the House, so you learn to
use the procedures of the House to suit your inns.
(03:11):
And all I did there was to move a procedural
motion allowed it to be adjourned until the seventeenth of October,
and it can come back on the seventeenth of October
and we can debate it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, I suppose it's after the actual referendum though, Mix,
So people will be going, have you stifled the debate
on purpose is that was that your own.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, I couldn't agree with the purpose of the motion,
you know, and you're you're exactly right, and the councils
should stick the knitting. Do what councils are elected to do.
They're not elected to have positions on referendum, especially you know,
the devisive nature of this one. We're there to look
(03:53):
after the roads and the parks and the and the
street lighting and etcetera. Or what councils do You're going
to pick up the rubbish dig people?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
There had been other people, There had been other people
sort of ask, you know, if council staff were then
able to wear the Yes twenty three you know, merchandise
or I can't think of the right word for it,
but if they are able to wear that those shirts,
could people that were on the other side wear they're
no shirts?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No, no, no, no no. This is an exclusively for
the Yes campaign, of exclusive dispensation from the normal rules.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So it's not well, now it is going to happen
on October seventeen, What do you reckon people are going
to think of that? Do you think some are going
to be fuming that the Council's delayed it.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh they can feel more they like than not particularly
concerned about a few imigations. No, you know, I mean,
as I said, it was a bit rich to bring
it on last Thursday when we first got notification this
was about to be brought forward, claiming that it was
(05:12):
done at the behest of the community and they're not
giving other all them in sufficient time to discuss them
with their constituency. After all, Albanese announced this in May
last year. There's been all that time since May last
year to bring forward a debate on it. But no,
it has to be done the very last meeting before
(05:35):
the referendum, when the campaigns in full scale, in full
full swing, and at the exclusion of the other side, Nick.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
What were people in your wards saying to you, because
I know, like we have had quite a lot of people,
you know, quite a lot of people contact us here
at the station saying that they didn't think it was
the role of the council to even move this much.
So I know that there are people in the community
that feel that way. I know that there are plenty
of others in the community that might have been supportive
(06:06):
of it actually happening. But what have your constituents sort
of said to you? Or have you not? Sorry you
going hetie?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Let me tell you. Let me tell you that I
haven't as a politician, I haven't had a bigger reaction
to a single issue since we debated the euthanasia in
the Assembly in the late nineties. Really, and it was
almost unanimously what do you think you are doing? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So people were contacting you, getting quite cross.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well not cross at me, but cross it They suggestion
that Council would even entertain debating this, let alone parsermation
and support.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah right, well, meck you know it's not going to
happen now, I mean, do you reckon that debate is
actually going to happen on October seventeen? Now? Isn't it
just null and void? There'd be no point because there's
no point in putting anything up.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, I didn't think there's any point in having in
the first place. But it's up to the proponent, which
is mojun.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, Mick, I appreciate you coming on the show at
incredibly short notice this morning, literally with about thirty seconds notification,
So we really appreciate you coming on. We were due
to catch up with counselor Morgan Rickard. I'm hopeful that
we'll still get him on the show at some point
between now and midday. But Mick Palmer, thank you very
much for your time this morning.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Give me a call anytime, Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm thank you. I appreciate it. We really appreciate it.
We were due to catch up with well with Counselor
Morgan Rickard. He's due to join us on the phone
or in studio actually the chan ward Counselor Morgan Rickard.
Unfortunately he's not here, so I don't know exactly what's
going on, but we will continue to try and get
him on the show because as we know, last night
the City of Darwin voted on that motion which had
(00:22):
been moved suggesting it openly support the Yes campaign in
the Voice referendum. So we heard on the show yesterday
that not everybody was on board, including the Lord Mayor
convat Scarles and Morgan Ricard had been in contact with
the station to say that he'd felt that there was
some inaccuracies throughout that interview and wanted the right of reply.
(00:43):
We were really happy to have him on, so I'm
not too sure what's gone on, but not able to
get him well, he's not here in the studio, so
I'm not one hundred percent sure what has gone on,
but we do have on the line right now, Councilman
Mick Palmer. Good morning to.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You, mere morning Katie.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Get I now, Mick, what happened last night?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh? Well, the motion was moved and second and I
moved it a procedural motion that it be immediately adjourned,
which was put by the Lord Mayor and supported by
a good majority of counselors.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Now what does that mean to the everyday person listening
this morning, the procedural motion being put that it be adjourned.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Or what that means? It's adjourned to the next council
meeting on the seventeenth of October. So how come you
did that? Well, I thought, you know, this is a
motion that was put to us on the last Thursday,
and the proponent claiming to have consulted with the community
and had white community support, but gave the other all
(01:50):
the mineral Council a very little time to consult with
their constituents. So I put the proper thing to do
would be to adjourn it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh look, Mick, We've had a lot of people contact
us and they have said that, you know, why is
the council even debating this, or why is the council
even going to debate this. It's a referendum. Everybody's going
to have their own opportunity to vote come October fourteen.
People saying things like it is not the business of
the Council to be determining whether or not counsel those
(02:20):
working at the council chambers or wherever else should or
should not wear their yes shirts or have posters up.
So I know that there's been a lot of that
sentiment in the community. We've heard a lot of it
on the show, but others are going to be listening
this morning, Mick thinking, have you and con been a
bit sneaky here?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Sneaky? God forbid?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Well have you known the have you sort of known
the motions and you know what you could and couldn't
get away with more than maybe counselor.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Ricard did oh not keep myself breast of the of
the procedures in council. I was at one stage leader
of government business in the House, so you learn to
use the procedures of the House to suit your inns.
(03:11):
And all I did there was to move a procedural
motion allowed it to be adjourned until the seventeenth of October,
and it can come back on the seventeenth of October
and we can debate it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, I suppose it's after the actual referendum though, Mix,
So people will be going, have you stifled the debate
on purpose is that was that your own.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Well, I couldn't agree with the purpose of the motion,
you know, and you're you're exactly right, and the councils
should stick the knitting. Do what councils are elected to do.
They're not elected to have positions on referendum, especially you know,
the devisive nature of this one. We're there to look
(03:53):
after the roads and the parks and the and the
street lighting and etcetera. Or what councils do You're going
to pick up the rubbish dig people?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
There had been other people, There had been other people
sort of ask, you know, if council staff were then
able to wear the Yes twenty three you know, merchandise
or I can't think of the right word for it,
but if they are able to wear that those shirts,
could people that were on the other side wear they're
no shirts?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No, no, no, no no. This is an exclusively for
the Yes campaign, of exclusive dispensation from the normal rules.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So it's not well, now it is going to happen
on October seventeen, What do you reckon people are going
to think of that? Do you think some are going
to be fuming that the Council's delayed it.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh they can feel more they like than not particularly
concerned about a few imigations. No, you know, I mean,
as I said, it was a bit rich to bring
it on last Thursday when we first got notification this
was about to be brought forward, claiming that it was
(05:12):
done at the behest of the community and they're not
giving other all them in sufficient time to discuss them
with their constituency. After all, Albanese announced this in May
last year. There's been all that time since May last
year to bring forward a debate on it. But no,
it has to be done the very last meeting before
(05:35):
the referendum, when the campaigns in full scale, in full
full swing, and at the exclusion of the other side, Nick.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
What were people in your wards saying to you, because
I know, like we have had quite a lot of people,
you know, quite a lot of people contact us here
at the station saying that they didn't think it was
the role of the council to even move this much.
So I know that there are people in the community
that feel that way. I know that there are plenty
of others in the community that might have been supportive
(06:06):
of it actually happening. But what have your constituents sort
of said to you? Or have you not? Sorry you
going hetie?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Let me tell you. Let me tell you that I
haven't as a politician, I haven't had a bigger reaction
to a single issue since we debated the euthanasia in
the Assembly in the late nineties. Really, and it was
almost unanimously what do you think you are doing? Right?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So people were contacting you, getting quite cross.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well not cross at me, but cross it They suggestion
that Council would even entertain debating this, let alone parsermation
and support.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah right, well, meck you know it's not going to
happen now, I mean, do you reckon that debate is
actually going to happen on October seventeen? Now? Isn't it
just null and void? There'd be no point because there's
no point in putting anything up.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, I didn't think there's any point in having in
the first place. But it's up to the proponent, which
is mojun.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, Mick, I appreciate you coming on the show at
incredibly short notice this morning, literally with about thirty seconds notification,
So we really appreciate you coming on. We were due
to catch up with counselor Morgan Rickard. I'm hopeful that
we'll still get him on the show at some point
between now and midday. But Mick Palmer, thank you very
much for your time this morning.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Give me a call anytime, Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I'm thank you. I appreciate it. We really appreciate it.
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