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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As I mentioned when we opened the show today, we
now know that two people have died in shootings in
Darwin's northern suburbs yesterday. Investigations are underway into the incidents
in both Milner and Karama yesterday afternoon. It's understood that
the third person was injured in the Milner incident and
was taken to hospital. Police believe the incidents are not
(00:22):
related and say that there is no risk to the public.
We are expecting the Northern Territory Police to come out
in the next ten minutes or so and provide an
update on this situation. But joining me in the studio
right now is the president of the Northern Territory Police Association,
Nathan Finn.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Good morning, Nathan, Good morning Katy, and good morning to
your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, obviously there's not a lot that you can sort
of tell us or say about these two incidents that
have occurred yesterday afternoon, but it seems like an unbelievable
situation that's unfolded.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Definitely the information that was provided to us late last night.
Obviously it's very tragic, obviously the second sense which has
taken place, but I find it also very tragic for
our members that obviously have to respond to this and
obviously deal with these matters as well, and obviously investigate
these matters going affward. Obviously the police will come out
and obviously discuss obviously what's going on with these investigations.
But again, our support for our members to make sure
(01:15):
the critical incident notification is completed, referrals to our support
services are provided to these members. Obviously, these members are
due to come back on shift again today, so we'll
be touching base personally when obviously they do start shift today.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So they come back on shift again today.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Again, they were on evening shift last night and they're
due to back this afternoon for evening shift, both in
daw and a Caserina.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So in a situation.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Like these terrible situations that have unfolded, what kind of
support is provided to those officers.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So supports provided our employee support services, so there's psychiatrists, psychologists,
support workers there. Again, they make contact obviously it's through
obviously consent process that they want to be contacted or
want to have Obviously follow ups by these people. But
again i'd love to be able to say that members
involved in the critical incident could have the time off,
but Unfortunately, due our resourcing issues, they haven't got that ability,
(02:07):
so they're expected to come back the next day, which
is obviously tragic for them and obviously for them to
process that, it's going to take some time to obviously
what they've seen and what they've dealt with.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's actually been a horrendous week for the whole Northern
Territory community. When you see what's going on and it's
like it's Wednesday, but from Friday, that tragic incident that
it occurred outside of Pine Creek, it is, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
For the whole community.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But then when you look at those first responders, whether
it's the police, the Fieries, Saint John's, it is it's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, definitely. And it's not just obviously the people and
then the victims of these matters as well. It's the family,
it's the extended family, it's the whole community that obviously
has been affected by this. And the people that have
to respond to these types of events, don't doubt that they
struggle for sometimes weeks, sometimes months, sometimes years after visiting
these locations where these tragic events occur.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now, I do want to move along because there is
a lot to cover off on this morning and the
Northern Territory Police Association has come out this morning calling
on the Northern Territory government to stop gambling with public
safety and stop creating more work for police by expanding
its cheap policing program. That is what you've said in
a statement and said that the government's ignoring the resourcing
(03:20):
and staffing crisis within the Northern Territory Police Force and
instead forking out millions of dollars for security guards and
equipping transit safety officers with OC spray that should only
be carried by highly trained, experienced police officers. Finny, isn't
this a situation though? Where I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Is the government trying to support you?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Do you think by providing these resources to the transit
safety officers.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
They're providing band aid solutions Caddy obviously to not fund
our police force adequally, to not resource our police force atically.
They're providing the second tier level of policing which aren't experienced.
They aren't haven't got the experience of a police officer.
They're trying to substitute our ability and nonability to obviously
attend to these incidents and not resourcing as properly with
(04:07):
these security guards.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Now, I know one of our listeners, Grumpia, message through
and said, I doubt anyone's taken into account that the
canisters they are issued with are as strong or as
potent as those in use by police.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Is that the case, haven't.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I haven't received a briefing in relation to what they're
actually using. But again, we have strict guidelines about the
use of our OC spray, and from what I'm reading
is they have more ability to deploy their OC spray
than what the actual police do. So provide that example.
Really yeah, But the question is that I asked the
public should be asking, is have the public transport network
become so dangerous and the need for security transit security
(04:46):
officer to be carrying OC spray?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So you reckon that they could These transit safety officers
could actually have more power to use OC spray than
what our Northern Territory police do.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They haven't got the guidelines and policies around their use. Okay,
they've given legislations relitative right to use this OC spray. Again,
we have strict policy procedures when we can't use it.
Are they going to use it on the bus when
it's moving? How's that going? To affect the driver of
the vehicle. There's the questions that remain unanswered where we
have strict guidelines and policies and review mechanisms to review
(05:18):
this information when our members do deploy this and they're
highly trained, their higher experience in conflict negotiation, in legislation,
their roles and responsibility and powers as a police officer.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
So what do you think needs to happen here?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Do you think that the OC spray should be taken
off the tsos?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Definitely, Katie, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be an option
to start with. Again, we're highly skilled police officers, are
trained and the use of this tool. I'm not saying
that these these security guards aren't being highly trained. Again,
we haven't seen evidence to suggest any things such as
their training package or anything. We have some scurious concerns
that they're substituting these for the cheapest, second tier policing
(05:58):
across the Northern Territory.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Now, it's not the only thing that you're calling out
in the statement that came out a little earlier this morning.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You've also said that you've got.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Serious concerns about the lack of accountability and scrutiny around
the well, the use of the capsicum spray. Sorry, but
and the use of force by some security guards.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, definitely, we're seeing obviously upon review. I don't know
if you viewers know, but the Chief min is to
hand it out of responsibility of private security contracts to
the Northern Territory Police. So technically we're the employer of
private security guards as well across the Northern Territory.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, what do you mean, talk me through that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yep. So the responsibility for private security guards in public
places for dealing with anti social behavior. The responsibility is
handed from the Chief Minister's office to the Northern Territory
Police to manage these contracts back in July this year.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So are you talking like security right across the Northern
Territory or just the ones that are funded by the government.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Funded by the government. In relation to the ASP issues,
there's some serious concerns that this is a form of
second tier police and trying to obviously reduce the effects
of the Northern Territory Police force.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, the tough part about that as well is that
then I guess you are you're managing security guards or
people that are contracted that you're not like that you're
not training yourself like you would have to if it
was a Northern Territory Police officer.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Definitely. But I ask these security officers are obviously employed
by us, Now, what powers have they got to hold
or detain or to intervene in incidents out in the public.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Do they have any correct?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Obviously on legal advice, they haven't got any powers to
do this. But they are remaining to do this, which
obviously places the Northern Territory Police Force at a severe.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So you worried? Are you worried about what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Definitely?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah. Well, look, I mean I think it's I think
it's an interesting situation that we're in, and it's interesting
because we're it seems like we're sort of dealing with
the issues of crime and with anti social behavior and
some of the really terrible stuff that we're seeing on
our streets with a band. You know, It's much like
when it first came out that we were using things
like beer secure to try to stop break ins, rather
(08:05):
than actually stop people from breaking in in the first place.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
We need to deal with the crime. The crime is
the issue here. It's not about equipping us with more
tools to do this. We need to stop the crime
from happening from occurring. What is the plan of the
government to make sure our crime rate reduces, not just
giving extra resource to additional people, to make sure we
can control it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now before before we wrap up for this morning, one
of the other resources I guess you would say that
has now also come to the fore is the wand
so these ones that are being used by the Northern
Territory Police and you and I have spoken about this before,
but the handheld scanners or wands as they're called, that
rollout has now continued throughout Darwin. What's the feedback being
(08:49):
from officers in Darwin and Palmerston.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
The feedback is they are a great tool for in
addition to our current powers, the legislative requirements that they've
put in place inhibits our members in using it more proactively.
I'd say the feedback we're getting is that there should
have been changes to the Weapons Control Act in relation
to the ability to use the ones under this power. Obviously,
(09:12):
we've got a power to search people under the Weapons
Control actunder section nineteen, we have reasonable grants to suspect
that someone's carrying a weapon. To give that power into
that Act, we could have searched anyone we had a
reasonable grand to suspect, not go through the process of
establishing a certain area a twelve hour period, jump through
the thirty three hoops that we have to jump through
to sustain that we're acting on this legislation and making
(09:34):
sure it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now, just to go back to the OC spray, what
role are the police going to play in investigating excessive
use of force for the spray? And will this add
extra burden to an already stretched police force.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Deerfinitly, so, any uses there and any complaints obviously made
by the members of the public in relation to an
assault by a obviously transit security officer will have to
be investigated for police. They also have powers of arrest,
which obviously refers to us. They and over the arrest
to us as soon as possible, or deliver them to us.
So they haven't got powers to actually investigate. They haven't
got powers to do the prosecution side of things. So
(10:09):
again it's these guys doing their role. If they deem
it is suitable to make that arrest, they make the
arrest and hand them over to us, who carries the
responsibility of obviously the prosecution of the matter, Lok.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Has it been work done between the Northern Territory Police
Force and the department in terms of working out how
all of this is going to work with these transit
safety officers? I know, like it may not have happened
with you as the association president, but are you aware
of work happening to make sure that it doesn't add
a burden to the police.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, I'm not aware of anything like that, Katie, and
no one has that conversation with me at the Northern
Territory Police Association. I'm not quite aware of what the
executive level of the Northern Territory Police Force had been
doing in relation to this, but again I haven't received
a briefing in relation to what they're actually doing.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, look, we are going to be catching up with
the Minister for Police, Kate Warden in just under ten
minut and it's time, Nathan Finn. We always appreciate your time.
It's look, you know, I think it's pretty interesting stuff
this morning, looking at the OC spray and the concerns
that the Association have got.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean, what do you think needs to happen here immediately?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
We need to resource our police force adequately Katie, and
not wait till the end of the view. I know
the reviews underway and the government's going to say, well,
we've got the review underway, We're ready to go. They
know now we are short. The Executive have made an
announcement also that they acknowledge that we're short. Are short
some two hundred members each day, which is thirty vans
on the road across the Northern Territory. They realize we're short.
(11:36):
What are they going to do in the mediate future.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So you obviously feel that you know that rather than
actually having transit safety officers with oc spray, rather than
having security out in those public places, that if we
actually had the number of police that we need, that
that would be enough who have got.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The powers to deal with these matters and not acting
outside of the law. Potentially, if we have the police
officer to deal with this, we will have a better
response to the community and make sure that they are safe.
Not these band aid solutions that create an appearance of
safety across obviously Darwin, across the Northern Territory. The government
need to stand up and say we haven't enough police.
(12:17):
We need to resource our police appropriately, not have second
tier policing well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory Police Association,
appreciate your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Thanks very much for speaking with us.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Appreciate your time to Acudian obviously your listeners as well.
But for those members obviously dealing with these tragic incidents
across the last few days, our thoughts are with you
and obviously reach out if you do need support, and
we're always here to back you up and make sure
you are supported.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Thank you very much for your time this morning.
As I mentioned when we opened the show today, we
now know that two people have died in shootings in
Darwin's northern suburbs yesterday. Investigations are underway into the incidents
in both Milner and Karama yesterday afternoon. It's understood that
the third person was injured in the Milner incident and
was taken to hospital. Police believe the incidents are not
(00:22):
related and say that there is no risk to the public.
We are expecting the Northern Territory Police to come out
in the next ten minutes or so and provide an
update on this situation. But joining me in the studio
right now is the president of the Northern Territory Police Association,
Nathan Finn.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Good morning, Nathan, Good morning Katy, and good morning to
your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Now, obviously there's not a lot that you can sort
of tell us or say about these two incidents that
have occurred yesterday afternoon, but it seems like an unbelievable
situation that's unfolded.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Definitely the information that was provided to us late last night.
Obviously it's very tragic, obviously the second sense which has
taken place, but I find it also very tragic for
our members that obviously have to respond to this and
obviously deal with these matters as well, and obviously investigate
these matters going affward. Obviously the police will come out
and obviously discuss obviously what's going on with these investigations.
But again, our support for our members to make sure
(01:15):
the critical incident notification is completed, referrals to our support
services are provided to these members. Obviously, these members are
due to come back on shift again today, so we'll
be touching base personally when obviously they do start shift today.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
So they come back on shift again today.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Again, they were on evening shift last night and they're
due to back this afternoon for evening shift, both in
daw and a Caserina.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So in a situation.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Like these terrible situations that have unfolded, what kind of
support is provided to those officers.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So supports provided our employee support services, so there's psychiatrists, psychologists,
support workers there. Again, they make contact obviously it's through
obviously consent process that they want to be contacted or
want to have Obviously follow ups by these people. But
again i'd love to be able to say that members
involved in the critical incident could have the time off,
but Unfortunately, due our resourcing issues, they haven't got that ability,
(02:07):
so they're expected to come back the next day, which
is obviously tragic for them and obviously for them to
process that, it's going to take some time to obviously
what they've seen and what they've dealt with.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It's actually been a horrendous week for the whole Northern
Territory community. When you see what's going on and it's
like it's Wednesday, but from Friday, that tragic incident that
it occurred outside of Pine Creek, it is, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
For the whole community.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
But then when you look at those first responders, whether
it's the police, the Fieries, Saint John's, it is it's
a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, definitely. And it's not just obviously the people and
then the victims of these matters as well. It's the family,
it's the extended family, it's the whole community that obviously
has been affected by this. And the people that have
to respond to these types of events, don't doubt that they
struggle for sometimes weeks, sometimes months, sometimes years after visiting
these locations where these tragic events occur.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Now, I do want to move along because there is
a lot to cover off on this morning and the
Northern Territory Police Association has come out this morning calling
on the Northern Territory government to stop gambling with public
safety and stop creating more work for police by expanding
its cheap policing program. That is what you've said in
a statement and said that the government's ignoring the resourcing
(03:20):
and staffing crisis within the Northern Territory Police Force and
instead forking out millions of dollars for security guards and
equipping transit safety officers with OC spray that should only
be carried by highly trained, experienced police officers. Finny, isn't
this a situation though? Where I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Is the government trying to support you?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Do you think by providing these resources to the transit
safety officers.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
They're providing band aid solutions Caddy obviously to not fund
our police force adequally, to not resource our police force atically.
They're providing the second tier level of policing which aren't experienced.
They aren't haven't got the experience of a police officer.
They're trying to substitute our ability and nonability to obviously
attend to these incidents and not resourcing as properly with
(04:07):
these security guards.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Now, I know one of our listeners, Grumpia, message through
and said, I doubt anyone's taken into account that the
canisters they are issued with are as strong or as
potent as those in use by police.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Is that the case, haven't.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I haven't received a briefing in relation to what they're
actually using. But again, we have strict guidelines about the
use of our OC spray, and from what I'm reading
is they have more ability to deploy their OC spray
than what the actual police do. So provide that example.
Really yeah, But the question is that I asked the
public should be asking, is have the public transport network
become so dangerous and the need for security transit security
(04:46):
officer to be carrying OC spray?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So you reckon that they could These transit safety officers
could actually have more power to use OC spray than
what our Northern Territory police do.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
They haven't got the guidelines and policies around their use. Okay,
they've given legislations relitative right to use this OC spray. Again,
we have strict policy procedures when we can't use it.
Are they going to use it on the bus when
it's moving? How's that going? To affect the driver of
the vehicle. There's the questions that remain unanswered where we
have strict guidelines and policies and review mechanisms to review
(05:18):
this information when our members do deploy this and they're
highly trained, their higher experience in conflict negotiation, in legislation,
their roles and responsibility and powers as a police officer.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
So what do you think needs to happen here?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Do you think that the OC spray should be taken
off the tsos?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Definitely, Katie, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be an option
to start with. Again, we're highly skilled police officers, are
trained and the use of this tool. I'm not saying
that these these security guards aren't being highly trained. Again,
we haven't seen evidence to suggest any things such as
their training package or anything. We have some scurious concerns
that they're substituting these for the cheapest, second tier policing
(05:58):
across the Northern Territory.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Now, it's not the only thing that you're calling out
in the statement that came out a little earlier this morning.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You've also said that you've got.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Serious concerns about the lack of accountability and scrutiny around
the well, the use of the capsicum spray. Sorry, but
and the use of force by some security guards.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, definitely, we're seeing obviously upon review. I don't know
if you viewers know, but the Chief min is to
hand it out of responsibility of private security contracts to
the Northern Territory Police. So technically we're the employer of
private security guards as well across the Northern Territory.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, what do you mean, talk me through that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yep. So the responsibility for private security guards in public
places for dealing with anti social behavior. The responsibility is
handed from the Chief Minister's office to the Northern Territory
Police to manage these contracts back in July this year.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So are you talking like security right across the Northern
Territory or just the ones that are funded by the government.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Funded by the government. In relation to the ASP issues,
there's some serious concerns that this is a form of
second tier police and trying to obviously reduce the effects
of the Northern Territory Police force.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, the tough part about that as well is that
then I guess you are you're managing security guards or
people that are contracted that you're not like that you're
not training yourself like you would have to if it
was a Northern Territory Police officer.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Definitely. But I ask these security officers are obviously employed
by us, Now, what powers have they got to hold
or detain or to intervene in incidents out in the public.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Do they have any correct?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Obviously on legal advice, they haven't got any powers to
do this. But they are remaining to do this, which
obviously places the Northern Territory Police Force at a severe.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
So you worried? Are you worried about what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Definitely?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah. Well, look, I mean I think it's I think
it's an interesting situation that we're in, and it's interesting
because we're it seems like we're sort of dealing with
the issues of crime and with anti social behavior and
some of the really terrible stuff that we're seeing on
our streets with a band. You know, It's much like
when it first came out that we were using things
like beer secure to try to stop break ins, rather
(08:05):
than actually stop people from breaking in in the first place.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
We need to deal with the crime. The crime is
the issue here. It's not about equipping us with more
tools to do this. We need to stop the crime
from happening from occurring. What is the plan of the
government to make sure our crime rate reduces, not just
giving extra resource to additional people, to make sure we
can control it.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Now before before we wrap up for this morning, one
of the other resources I guess you would say that
has now also come to the fore is the wand
so these ones that are being used by the Northern
Territory Police and you and I have spoken about this before,
but the handheld scanners or wands as they're called, that
rollout has now continued throughout Darwin. What's the feedback being
(08:49):
from officers in Darwin and Palmerston.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
The feedback is they are a great tool for in
addition to our current powers, the legislative requirements that they've
put in place inhibits our members in using it more proactively.
I'd say the feedback we're getting is that there should
have been changes to the Weapons Control Act in relation
to the ability to use the ones under this power. Obviously,
(09:12):
we've got a power to search people under the Weapons
Control actunder section nineteen, we have reasonable grants to suspect
that someone's carrying a weapon. To give that power into
that Act, we could have searched anyone we had a
reasonable grand to suspect, not go through the process of
establishing a certain area a twelve hour period, jump through
the thirty three hoops that we have to jump through
to sustain that we're acting on this legislation and making
(09:34):
sure it's appropriate.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Now, just to go back to the OC spray, what
role are the police going to play in investigating excessive
use of force for the spray? And will this add
extra burden to an already stretched police force.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Deerfinitly, so, any uses there and any complaints obviously made
by the members of the public in relation to an
assault by a obviously transit security officer will have to
be investigated for police. They also have powers of arrest,
which obviously refers to us. They and over the arrest
to us as soon as possible, or deliver them to us.
So they haven't got powers to actually investigate. They haven't
got powers to do the prosecution side of things. So
(10:09):
again it's these guys doing their role. If they deem
it is suitable to make that arrest, they make the
arrest and hand them over to us, who carries the
responsibility of obviously the prosecution of the matter, Lok.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Has it been work done between the Northern Territory Police
Force and the department in terms of working out how
all of this is going to work with these transit
safety officers? I know, like it may not have happened
with you as the association president, but are you aware
of work happening to make sure that it doesn't add
a burden to the police.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, I'm not aware of anything like that, Katie, and
no one has that conversation with me at the Northern
Territory Police Association. I'm not quite aware of what the
executive level of the Northern Territory Police Force had been
doing in relation to this, but again I haven't received
a briefing in relation to what they're actually doing.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Well, look, we are going to be catching up with
the Minister for Police, Kate Warden in just under ten
minut and it's time, Nathan Finn. We always appreciate your time.
It's look, you know, I think it's pretty interesting stuff
this morning, looking at the OC spray and the concerns
that the Association have got.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean, what do you think needs to happen here immediately?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
We need to resource our police force adequately Katie, and
not wait till the end of the view. I know
the reviews underway and the government's going to say, well,
we've got the review underway, We're ready to go. They
know now we are short. The Executive have made an
announcement also that they acknowledge that we're short. Are short
some two hundred members each day, which is thirty vans
on the road across the Northern Territory. They realize we're short.
(11:36):
What are they going to do in the mediate future.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So you obviously feel that you know that rather than
actually having transit safety officers with oc spray, rather than
having security out in those public places, that if we
actually had the number of police that we need, that
that would be enough who have got.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
The powers to deal with these matters and not acting
outside of the law. Potentially, if we have the police
officer to deal with this, we will have a better
response to the community and make sure that they are safe.
Not these band aid solutions that create an appearance of
safety across obviously Darwin, across the Northern Territory. The government
need to stand up and say we haven't enough police.
(12:17):
We need to resource our police appropriately, not have second
tier policing well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory Police Association,
appreciate your time this morning.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Thanks very much for speaking with us.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Appreciate your time to Acudian obviously your listeners as well.
But for those members obviously dealing with these tragic incidents
across the last few days, our thoughts are with you
and obviously reach out if you do need support, and
we're always here to back you up and make sure
you are supported.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Thank you very much for your time this morning.
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