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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And joining me on the line right now is the
Opposition leader Leoh Finocchio. Good morning to you, Leah.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good morning Katie and to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Now, Leah, what happened yesterday with the legislation that the
COLP put forward to give police more powers when people
are drinking in public, Well, the.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Labor government once again turned their back on Territorians by
just simply shutting down the CLP's policy to give police
more power to deal with public drinking, greater power to
deal with problem drunks, and of course to stop crime
from happening in the first place. And it was astonishing
because this week they tabled their review into alcohol and
(00:37):
their review said that they government should do all the
things that was in our legislation. And instead of coming
to Parliament and putting Territorians over politics, this government just
behave like absolute children, voted us down for no reason whatsoever,
and ultimately our streets are less safe for it. Their
only says police need these powers, and they turned their back.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So was the legislation that you were putting forward. Was
it different in any way to the recommendations made in
the three year review which was released earlier this week
when it comes to that two kilometer rule and police powers.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, So the review covered a lot broader things than
what our legislation. Our legislation was very specific around giving
police more power to deal with public drinking problem, drunks,
and stopping crime before it happens. So our legislation was
specific to that. The parts of the labour's review that
dealt with those issues were in total alignment Katie, total alignment.
(01:36):
So their review said that our police need the powers
to be able to ask people for ID and I
think your listeners would be horrified to know that when
police see people drinking in public, they cannot even ask
them for ID, which means they can't run warrant searches,
they can't see if the person's on bail, they can't
see if the person has a domestic violence order. You know,
(01:58):
it's just going into it blind, which is a safety
risk to police and Labors own reviews.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
That's exactly what is pointed out in that review is
the fact that it is actually it's being raised as
something that is a risk to the Northern Territory police.
You know, nobody wants to see a situation here where
you're approaching people, you're asking them to tip out alcohol
and then a dangerous situation unfaults.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Exactly, and the fact that their review says that it's
a risk and yet they failed to take the opportunity
to bring legislation shows that they continue to put politics
over people. And the reality is with this review yesterday
we uncovered in question Time that there's no timeframe around
when we might see legislation from Labor coming forward, and
(02:43):
the Chief Minister even said that the legislation they eventually
bring to Parliament might not be what's in the review.
So there's total uncertainty again, a total lack of action,
a government not listening to the community, out of ideas
on how to address escalating crime and a stagnant economy.
And ultimately the COLP is sitting there with a plan forward,
(03:05):
a plan that is endorsed by Hospitality and Tea, the
Northern Territory Police Association, the Property Council, the City of Darwin,
the Mayor, and yet Labor and all their wisdom think
they're smarter than all of those people put together.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
There was talk though yesterday by the Government in Parliament
about decriminalizing public drinking following the Royal Commission into Aboriginal
debts in custody. Is the legislation that you put forward
a risk of seeing more Aboriginal people put in jail.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, ultimately, you know, the lord is not Laws aren't
race based, Katie. Laws are about behavior, and so what
we want to see is the bad behavior of anyone
who's drinking in public dealt with. And that's why we're
so focused on empowering police because police need powers to
deal with these issues. And we've seen some heinous crimes recently, Katie,
(03:57):
as you've talked about on your show, with rape in
the CBD, people being bashed. The carnage from alcohol fuel
violence is up fifty percent under labor, and domestic violence
is up eighty percent under labor.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So you really believe, I mean, do you really believe
that that the legislation that you'd put forward, and that
is now I mean, it is part of this broad
arranging review. Do you firmly believe that it would put
a stop to some of those issues that we're seeing
like in our CBD, for example, there.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Is no doubt in my mind that if we had
have passed the Colpace Policy to give police greater powers
to deal with drunks, and to deal with public drinking
that our community would be safer. Leah, that's why we
believe in it, that's why we brought it to parliament.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Lea are another aspect. At this stage, it doesn't sound
as though the Northern Territory government's going to implement, but
I actually think they should. Now, this is something during
COVID nineteen, during the Health Emergency, the Director introduced special
requirements for the sale of takeaway alcohol, including the requirement
for a person to prove that they have a legitimate
residence to consume takeaway alcohol. The same measure has been
(05:03):
applied by licensees in per App and Funny Bay via
the Liquor Record. At this stage, it's not recommended that
this measure be legislated as a condition for takeaway authorities.
Do you think that it's something the government should actually
look at.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, it's part of the review and hopefully they're out
to discussion with the community around that. But I would
urge caution on it because we obviously have a tourists
who come to the territory and like to buy alcohol
like many other people. We've got people who go fishing, camping.
You know, there are a number of reasons why someone
might purchase alcohol and where they're going to drink it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, do we need to have stricter guidelines and rules
in place, like one purchase a day.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, I don't think punishing the people doing the right
thing is the answer to anything, Katie. That's just not
part of how I see the world. What I understand
is that there are people who do the wrong thing
and that we should be targeting them. And that's why
our policies to give police greater power to deal with
problem drunks, stop crime before it happened, and ultimately make
(06:07):
our community safer by tackling public drinking.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So do you think that the proposals to extend some
of the some of the different crimes or different behaviors
and add them to the BDR would they be a
good move.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We've always supported additional pathways to referral to the band
Drinker Register. Certainly there are many more people who certainly
could be on it, who create a lot of harm
in our community. And so how the government's going to
achieve that I don't know. But if we're elected, we
will have a full extensive review of the Band Drinker
(06:42):
Register because it could be far more effective than what
it is. We need to understand its KPIs what it
does if it's achieving those measures, and not just have
policy for policy's sake.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Now, Leah, the Auditor General has released a reporter, we've
seen a copy of it where concerns will posts by
the Chief Minister Natasha Philes on her Facebook page recently
regarding changes to bail legislation. The Order to General has
now looked into these posts. What were the concerns?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, the Order to General has released her report and
it's scathing of the government. What Natasha Fhiles has done
is made to Facebook posts in March of this year,
so following the tragic death of Declan Lavity, when the
government said it would make changes to bail laws and
they've misled people, And the Order to General has found
(07:33):
two counts of Natasha Phile's misleading territorians around what those
bail's laws do. And just to remind territorians, at that time,
government said they would change it so that people who
were violent offenders with a weapon would start with a
position of no bail and that just wasn't true and
that's the message that Labor was peddling because they wanted
(07:54):
people to believe that those powers were extensive. But the
truth of it is is that labor changed bail so
that people start with a position of no bail only
with very limited specific weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
You know, Like, so, was it you who'd reported this
to the Attorney to the Order to General or who
made the report to the Order to General that it
did not feel that the Chief Minister was being honest.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, absolutely, Katie. We reported it because it's not fair
for the government to use Northern Territory government branding logos
to mislead our community about something that's just totally factually incorrect.
The reality is that this government deliberately made it sound
like all weapons would give people a start point of
no bail, when it's just not true. Those weapons are
(08:39):
strictly limited to things like cut of nine tails, non chucks,
ninja stars, ridiculous weapons that never get used. And what
we wanted it to be is, you know, include rocks, cars, bats,
broken glass, opportunistic weapons. And in fact, we went on
to try and make amendments to government's legislation to expand
(08:59):
that list of weapons. We then went on to try
and expand it so that it was serious, violent offending
with or without a weapon, and all of that was
resoundingly rejected by Labor. But Natasha Philes to pretend that
it did more than what it did is totally misleading.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Lea. The Orders to General has, as you've said, found
the posts were misleading and ordered that they be removed
and measures put in place to prevent similar instances. Does
that go far enough from your perspective?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well, it certainly doesn't teach this government a lesson, because
we know that the Order to General has made this
finding of two counts of misleading territorians. And yet yesterday
in Parliament Natasha Philes stood there and tried to make
it sound like the government's two kilometer laws around police
being able to deal with drunks was an offense. Now
we clearly know it isn't. And their own alcohol review
(09:51):
shows that there is no penalty for public drinking in
the territory, no penalty whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, look, I read through that extensive I don't know
whether our listeners enjoyed it or not, but I thought
I want them to know exactly what is in there,
because I think that you're right. I think that you
know they have been saying for months and months that
it's you know that it's illegal to drink in a
public place. We are continuously seeing people continue to do it.
(10:17):
And now you read through that report and you can
understand why.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Exactly it makes it clear is day it's like having
speed limits without being able to the police to do
anything about it. It's just ridiculous nonsense. And again it
shows how desperate and how far Natasha Farles and Labor
are willing to go to bend the truth to suit
their own narrative to try and trick territorians into thinking
they're taking action when they're not. And what we've seen
(10:43):
this week in Parliament is an out of touch out
of Adia's government that continue to ignore Territorians, not listen
to their concerns, and they're not taking any action whatsoever
to deal with the chronic issues in the territory.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Leah. They continue to say that you are talking the
territory down. It is the line that they pull out
so often. I mean, honestly, if I had a drink
every time they said it, I would not be able
to last the whole question time. And I promote responsible drinking,
but it's you know, it's something that they trot out
(11:16):
every day about you. I mean, are you talking the
territory down? Are you too negative?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Katie? This is a distraction deflection tactic by labor because
they know we are right, and ultimately we're not. They
are the ones dragging the territory down. The Territory's economy
is down because of labor. Crime is up because of labor,
cost of living is up. The territory is not the
place that it used to be. It's not the place
(11:43):
I grew up in, Katie. It's not the place I
know and love. And the cop has a very strong
plan to fix the territory and make it safe and strong.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That's why we need to take back control of our streets,
rebuild our reputation, and get our economy moving forward again.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Leah, one quick thing before I let you go. On Saturday,
we know that Territorians voted voted no to the Voice,
but earlier in the week, the Chief Minister outlined that
she is going to be continuing to work towards treaty
in the Northern Territory now, following on from comments that
she'd made, but also that the Northern Territory's Indigenous Affairs Minister,
Selena Ubo had made on the ABC earlier this week,
(12:21):
the Country Liberal Party that you are obviously part of,
confirmed that it has formed a working group to critically
analyze the four point three million dollar Treaty document and
its recommendations, including the establishment of a First Nation's government,
which would be independent of government. The party president Shane
Stone has said that you know this working group needs
(12:43):
to get underway. Why do you think it's necessary.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, the CLP reject Labour's moved towards treaty and I
think it again reinforces that they're failing to listen. We've
just had a referendum with an overwhelming result and what
people want going forward is a better way for with
practical policies that are going to deliver for Territorians and
that's what we're focused on. Labor can talk all at once.
(13:07):
They've shown that they are not acting, and that's why
we're focused on local government reform in the Bush because
the number one issue Aboriginal Territorians in remote communities talk
to us about is getting their voice back at a
local government level, which Labour took away from them in
two thousand and eight, and after two decades of Labor governments,
people in the bush have been forgotten.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Lit think though, do you think though, by rejecting a
treaty and also from the CLP stance for the no
against the Voice, do you think that that may make
some people think that the CLP is not a party
for Indigenous territorians.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh, Katie, we have heard the results of the referendum
loud and clear, which the Prime Minister framed as voice,
treaty and truth telling. And ultimately what we are about
is making the lives of Aboriginal territorians better, you know,
Aboriginal women, other victimized people in the territory the most.
And what we fight for is safer communities and to
(14:06):
put the rights of victims first. And ultimately, through our
crime policies, through our alcohol policies, and through our policies
around local government reform, we're going to see real tangible
action taken that's going to improve people's lives, no matter
where they live.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Ill me here about that Treaty Office though, the Treaty
Office and the work that had been done by the
former Treaty Commissioner and that office, they had gone out
to Indigenous communities right around the Northern Territory and sought
consultation on exactly what they wanted, So are you going
to just ignore that work?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So what we know is that Labour set up a
treaty office and spent four point three million dollars of
taxpayers money funding an eighty five page report that's fifty
thousand dollars a page KD and that treaty office has
now been closed. The report is now on the shelf,
and yet after the referendum, the number one issue Natasha
(15:00):
Files decides to talk about is treaty. It's totally tone deaf, Katie.
There are real tangible issues in our communities right across
the territory no matter where you live, and ultimately we
all require practical policies moving forward. That's going to make
a difference. The time for talk is well and truly over.
People have had a gut full and the high vote
(15:22):
in the Bush for the referendum is symptomatic of the
fact that for the last eighteen of the last twenty
two years, Labor have totally failed and forgotten.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
People voted yes in the Bush.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Because they were desperate for change and that's what the
COLP is going to deliver. That's where we're out working
so hard to create a new style of local government
that is going to re empower Aboriginal territory.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But it's the old style of local government. You're going back,
You're going back to the old style of local government.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
No, no, we're not. We've recognized that in TV.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Are you're going back pre what you were, you know,
pre the super shiers.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes, no yet pre supershires.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
No no, see the old style of government.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No, no, it's not. What we're doing is saying that
the supershires don't work, the regional counsels aren't delivering for
people on the ground, and the number I mean is
aren't my words, Katie, this is every single time we're
in a remote community, Aboriginal people talk to us about
needing smaller local government. So we're excited about forging a
new pathway forward, a new style of local government and
(16:27):
empowerment on the ground that is driven and developed by
Aboriginal people.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Aliah, we are going to we are going to have
to leave it there. I appreciate your time as always,
thank you very much for joining us and let us
know what happens today in parliament.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Will do take care of you
And joining me on the line right now is the
Opposition leader Leoh Finocchio. Good morning to you, Leah.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good morning Katie and to your listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Now, Leah, what happened yesterday with the legislation that the
COLP put forward to give police more powers when people
are drinking in public, Well, the.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Labor government once again turned their back on Territorians by
just simply shutting down the CLP's policy to give police
more power to deal with public drinking, greater power to
deal with problem drunks, and of course to stop crime
from happening in the first place. And it was astonishing
because this week they tabled their review into alcohol and
(00:37):
their review said that they government should do all the
things that was in our legislation. And instead of coming
to Parliament and putting Territorians over politics, this government just
behave like absolute children, voted us down for no reason whatsoever,
and ultimately our streets are less safe for it. Their
only says police need these powers, and they turned their back.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So was the legislation that you were putting forward. Was
it different in any way to the recommendations made in
the three year review which was released earlier this week
when it comes to that two kilometer rule and police powers.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, So the review covered a lot broader things than
what our legislation. Our legislation was very specific around giving
police more power to deal with public drinking problem, drunks,
and stopping crime before it happens. So our legislation was
specific to that. The parts of the labour's review that
dealt with those issues were in total alignment Katie, total alignment.
(01:36):
So their review said that our police need the powers
to be able to ask people for ID and I
think your listeners would be horrified to know that when
police see people drinking in public, they cannot even ask
them for ID, which means they can't run warrant searches,
they can't see if the person's on bail, they can't
see if the person has a domestic violence order. You know,
(01:58):
it's just going into it blind, which is a safety
risk to police and Labors own reviews.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
That's exactly what is pointed out in that review is
the fact that it is actually it's being raised as
something that is a risk to the Northern Territory police.
You know, nobody wants to see a situation here where
you're approaching people, you're asking them to tip out alcohol
and then a dangerous situation unfaults.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Exactly, and the fact that their review says that it's
a risk and yet they failed to take the opportunity
to bring legislation shows that they continue to put politics
over people. And the reality is with this review yesterday
we uncovered in question Time that there's no timeframe around
when we might see legislation from Labor coming forward, and
(02:43):
the Chief Minister even said that the legislation they eventually
bring to Parliament might not be what's in the review.
So there's total uncertainty again, a total lack of action,
a government not listening to the community, out of ideas
on how to address escalating crime and a stagnant economy.
And ultimately the COLP is sitting there with a plan forward,
(03:05):
a plan that is endorsed by Hospitality and Tea, the
Northern Territory Police Association, the Property Council, the City of Darwin,
the Mayor, and yet Labor and all their wisdom think
they're smarter than all of those people put together.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
There was talk though yesterday by the Government in Parliament
about decriminalizing public drinking following the Royal Commission into Aboriginal
debts in custody. Is the legislation that you put forward
a risk of seeing more Aboriginal people put in jail.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, ultimately, you know, the lord is not Laws aren't
race based, Katie. Laws are about behavior, and so what
we want to see is the bad behavior of anyone
who's drinking in public dealt with. And that's why we're
so focused on empowering police because police need powers to
deal with these issues. And we've seen some heinous crimes recently, Katie,
(03:57):
as you've talked about on your show, with rape in
the CBD, people being bashed. The carnage from alcohol fuel
violence is up fifty percent under labor, and domestic violence
is up eighty percent under labor.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
So you really believe, I mean, do you really believe
that that the legislation that you'd put forward, and that
is now I mean, it is part of this broad
arranging review. Do you firmly believe that it would put
a stop to some of those issues that we're seeing
like in our CBD, for example, there.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Is no doubt in my mind that if we had
have passed the Colpace Policy to give police greater powers
to deal with drunks, and to deal with public drinking
that our community would be safer. Leah, that's why we
believe in it, that's why we brought it to parliament.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Lea are another aspect. At this stage, it doesn't sound
as though the Northern Territory government's going to implement, but
I actually think they should. Now, this is something during
COVID nineteen, during the Health Emergency, the Director introduced special
requirements for the sale of takeaway alcohol, including the requirement
for a person to prove that they have a legitimate
residence to consume takeaway alcohol. The same measure has been
(05:03):
applied by licensees in per App and Funny Bay via
the Liquor Record. At this stage, it's not recommended that
this measure be legislated as a condition for takeaway authorities.
Do you think that it's something the government should actually
look at.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, it's part of the review and hopefully they're out
to discussion with the community around that. But I would
urge caution on it because we obviously have a tourists
who come to the territory and like to buy alcohol
like many other people. We've got people who go fishing, camping.
You know, there are a number of reasons why someone
might purchase alcohol and where they're going to drink it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, do we need to have stricter guidelines and rules
in place, like one purchase a day.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, I don't think punishing the people doing the right
thing is the answer to anything, Katie. That's just not
part of how I see the world. What I understand
is that there are people who do the wrong thing
and that we should be targeting them. And that's why
our policies to give police greater power to deal with
problem drunks, stop crime before it happened, and ultimately make
(06:07):
our community safer by tackling public drinking.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
So do you think that the proposals to extend some
of the some of the different crimes or different behaviors
and add them to the BDR would they be a
good move.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
We've always supported additional pathways to referral to the band
Drinker Register. Certainly there are many more people who certainly
could be on it, who create a lot of harm
in our community. And so how the government's going to
achieve that I don't know. But if we're elected, we
will have a full extensive review of the Band Drinker
(06:42):
Register because it could be far more effective than what
it is. We need to understand its KPIs what it
does if it's achieving those measures, and not just have
policy for policy's sake.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Now, Leah, the Auditor General has released a reporter, we've
seen a copy of it where concerns will posts by
the Chief Minister Natasha Philes on her Facebook page recently
regarding changes to bail legislation. The Order to General has
now looked into these posts. What were the concerns?
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, the Order to General has released her report and
it's scathing of the government. What Natasha Fhiles has done
is made to Facebook posts in March of this year,
so following the tragic death of Declan Lavity, when the
government said it would make changes to bail laws and
they've misled people, And the Order to General has found
(07:33):
two counts of Natasha Phile's misleading territorians around what those
bail's laws do. And just to remind territorians, at that time,
government said they would change it so that people who
were violent offenders with a weapon would start with a
position of no bail and that just wasn't true and
that's the message that Labor was peddling because they wanted
(07:54):
people to believe that those powers were extensive. But the
truth of it is is that labor changed bail so
that people start with a position of no bail only
with very limited specific weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
You know, Like, so, was it you who'd reported this
to the Attorney to the Order to General or who
made the report to the Order to General that it
did not feel that the Chief Minister was being honest.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, absolutely, Katie. We reported it because it's not fair
for the government to use Northern Territory government branding logos
to mislead our community about something that's just totally factually incorrect.
The reality is that this government deliberately made it sound
like all weapons would give people a start point of
no bail, when it's just not true. Those weapons are
(08:39):
strictly limited to things like cut of nine tails, non chucks,
ninja stars, ridiculous weapons that never get used. And what
we wanted it to be is, you know, include rocks, cars, bats,
broken glass, opportunistic weapons. And in fact, we went on
to try and make amendments to government's legislation to expand
(08:59):
that list of weapons. We then went on to try
and expand it so that it was serious, violent offending
with or without a weapon, and all of that was
resoundingly rejected by Labor. But Natasha Philes to pretend that
it did more than what it did is totally misleading.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Lea. The Orders to General has, as you've said, found
the posts were misleading and ordered that they be removed
and measures put in place to prevent similar instances. Does
that go far enough from your perspective?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well, it certainly doesn't teach this government a lesson, because
we know that the Order to General has made this
finding of two counts of misleading territorians. And yet yesterday
in Parliament Natasha Philes stood there and tried to make
it sound like the government's two kilometer laws around police
being able to deal with drunks was an offense. Now
we clearly know it isn't. And their own alcohol review
(09:51):
shows that there is no penalty for public drinking in
the territory, no penalty whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Well, look, I read through that extensive I don't know
whether our listeners enjoyed it or not, but I thought
I want them to know exactly what is in there,
because I think that you're right. I think that you
know they have been saying for months and months that
it's you know that it's illegal to drink in a
public place. We are continuously seeing people continue to do it.
(10:17):
And now you read through that report and you can
understand why.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Exactly it makes it clear is day it's like having
speed limits without being able to the police to do
anything about it. It's just ridiculous nonsense. And again it
shows how desperate and how far Natasha Farles and Labor
are willing to go to bend the truth to suit
their own narrative to try and trick territorians into thinking
they're taking action when they're not. And what we've seen
(10:43):
this week in Parliament is an out of touch out
of Adia's government that continue to ignore Territorians, not listen
to their concerns, and they're not taking any action whatsoever
to deal with the chronic issues in the territory.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Leah. They continue to say that you are talking the
territory down. It is the line that they pull out
so often. I mean, honestly, if I had a drink
every time they said it, I would not be able
to last the whole question time. And I promote responsible drinking,
but it's you know, it's something that they trot out
(11:16):
every day about you. I mean, are you talking the
territory down? Are you too negative?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Katie? This is a distraction deflection tactic by labor because
they know we are right, and ultimately we're not. They
are the ones dragging the territory down. The Territory's economy
is down because of labor. Crime is up because of labor,
cost of living is up. The territory is not the
place that it used to be. It's not the place
(11:43):
I grew up in, Katie. It's not the place I
know and love. And the cop has a very strong
plan to fix the territory and make it safe and strong.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
That's why we need to take back control of our streets,
rebuild our reputation, and get our economy moving forward again.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Leah, one quick thing before I let you go. On Saturday,
we know that Territorians voted voted no to the Voice,
but earlier in the week, the Chief Minister outlined that
she is going to be continuing to work towards treaty
in the Northern Territory now, following on from comments that
she'd made, but also that the Northern Territory's Indigenous Affairs Minister,
Selena Ubo had made on the ABC earlier this week,
(12:21):
the Country Liberal Party that you are obviously part of,
confirmed that it has formed a working group to critically
analyze the four point three million dollar Treaty document and
its recommendations, including the establishment of a First Nation's government,
which would be independent of government. The party president Shane
Stone has said that you know this working group needs
(12:43):
to get underway. Why do you think it's necessary.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Well, the CLP reject Labour's moved towards treaty and I
think it again reinforces that they're failing to listen. We've
just had a referendum with an overwhelming result and what
people want going forward is a better way for with
practical policies that are going to deliver for Territorians and
that's what we're focused on. Labor can talk all at once.
(13:07):
They've shown that they are not acting, and that's why
we're focused on local government reform in the Bush because
the number one issue Aboriginal Territorians in remote communities talk
to us about is getting their voice back at a
local government level, which Labour took away from them in
two thousand and eight, and after two decades of Labor governments,
people in the bush have been forgotten.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Lit think though, do you think though, by rejecting a
treaty and also from the CLP stance for the no
against the Voice, do you think that that may make
some people think that the CLP is not a party
for Indigenous territorians.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Oh, Katie, we have heard the results of the referendum
loud and clear, which the Prime Minister framed as voice,
treaty and truth telling. And ultimately what we are about
is making the lives of Aboriginal territorians better, you know,
Aboriginal women, other victimized people in the territory the most.
And what we fight for is safer communities and to
(14:06):
put the rights of victims first. And ultimately, through our
crime policies, through our alcohol policies, and through our policies
around local government reform, we're going to see real tangible
action taken that's going to improve people's lives, no matter
where they live.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Ill me here about that Treaty Office though, the Treaty
Office and the work that had been done by the
former Treaty Commissioner and that office, they had gone out
to Indigenous communities right around the Northern Territory and sought
consultation on exactly what they wanted, So are you going
to just ignore that work?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
So what we know is that Labour set up a
treaty office and spent four point three million dollars of
taxpayers money funding an eighty five page report that's fifty
thousand dollars a page KD and that treaty office has
now been closed. The report is now on the shelf,
and yet after the referendum, the number one issue Natasha
(15:00):
Files decides to talk about is treaty. It's totally tone deaf, Katie.
There are real tangible issues in our communities right across
the territory no matter where you live, and ultimately we
all require practical policies moving forward. That's going to make
a difference. The time for talk is well and truly over.
People have had a gut full and the high vote
(15:22):
in the Bush for the referendum is symptomatic of the
fact that for the last eighteen of the last twenty
two years, Labor have totally failed and forgotten.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
People voted yes in the Bush.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Because they were desperate for change and that's what the
COLP is going to deliver. That's where we're out working
so hard to create a new style of local government
that is going to re empower Aboriginal territory.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
But it's the old style of local government. You're going back,
You're going back to the old style of local government.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
No, no, we're not. We've recognized that in TV.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Are you're going back pre what you were, you know,
pre the super shiers.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yes, no yet pre supershires.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
No no, see the old style of government.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No, no, it's not. What we're doing is saying that
the supershires don't work, the regional counsels aren't delivering for
people on the ground, and the number I mean is
aren't my words, Katie, this is every single time we're
in a remote community, Aboriginal people talk to us about
needing smaller local government. So we're excited about forging a
new pathway forward, a new style of local government and
(16:27):
empowerment on the ground that is driven and developed by
Aboriginal people.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Aliah, we are going to we are going to have
to leave it there. I appreciate your time as always,
thank you very much for joining us and let us
know what happens today in parliament.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Will do take care of you
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