The Week That Was – 17th November 2023

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is time for the week that was, and joining us
in the studio this morning, we have got the Minister
for Police, Fire and Emergency Services and Veterans Affairs, Brent Potter.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Morning to listeners, We've.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Got Keesy Appuric, the independent member for Goida.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Good morning to you, morning Katie, Morning Bush people.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
We have got Marie Claire Boothby, who is indeed the
member for Brennan and and opposition for various other portfolios.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
And he's throwing his hands up in the air. But
we have also got.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
While he's returned, the awarding.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Northern Territory Journalist of the Year, Matt Cunningham. Studio is
very embarrassed. Did you want to hide under the desk.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Makepeak my speech?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So swell, that'll be a first for the day.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well let's le's get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
There is so much to cover off on this week,
and we might start off with the fact that the
Chief Minister yesterday bowed to pressure and divested her Woodside shares.
In a statement yesterday afternoon she issued it said today
I've taken steps to divers a minor shareholding in Woodside
Energy Group. The one hundred and sixty nine shares in
Woodside originate from a gift from my grandmother of some

(01:24):
shares in BHP back in nineteen eighty five, when I
was seven years old. The Woodside shares were issued last
year as a result of a merger between the two
companies and were properly declared. I've always declared shared holdings
while a member of Parliament in accordance with the legislation.
I have never had any dealings with Woodside as Chief Minister,

(01:47):
and the Government has not had to make any decisions
relating to Woodside or its interests. She finished off by saying,
while there was never while there's never been a conflict,
I will not let this be a distraction for the
real issues facing the territory, or let it be used
by the territories opponents to try and stop us from
building the territory's future. I'm divesting these shares to end

(02:09):
this distraction, and I'm staying focused on what really matters
to territorians.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
She says.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's growing the economy and creating jobs, as well as
tackling cost of living pressures on families and making the
territory a safer place for all.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
What do we all make of this week's events?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
One hundred and seventy nine shares one hundred and sixty
nine hundred and sixty nine seriously a gift from her
grandma TOHB. Then BHP merged with Woodside, et cetera, et cetera.
They are on her register. I accept the concept, and
I accept what some people are saying regards to conflict,
because the anti government does have a lot to do
with the gas industry and gas companies in particular. But
in regards to this company, there's been no activity for

(02:48):
a long time, sadly for the territory. Could have been
handled better, probably, but the chief ministers divesting them. You're
either selling them or giving them to some family member
or something. And fine, I don't think that it. Really
read the Anti News EDITORIL a couple of days ago
and listened to some expert fellow from Downsouth always button
their nose in from down South.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
So you don't think there's a problem with it keys here.
You don't think that there's any kind of like any
kind of issue or dodging.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Conflict of interest. It's either no, of course, there's no
dodgy business. She owned shares. I've got shares, everyone's got shares,
their superinnoation fund, everyone who's got a private superaniation fund.
Those funds invest in shares across the board, blue chip
shares in particular, which is Woodside, which is Santos, which
is I don't know, BHP, which are banks, which are telcoasts,
you know, things of that nature, and we stick them

(03:35):
on our register of interests or you know, or do
whatever we have to do with them, you know, other
financial investment things as well. No, there is there is
an issue because there is a perception that there could
be a conflict of interest and real or perceive that's
what picks up believe.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
If the Chief Minister is out lobbying on behalf of
that industry, that that needs to be.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I think given the front, Yes, but it was. She
believed it was upfront. It's been on a register since
she got elected, and people regularly check the register. I
know it because you know, they love the salaciousness of all.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
Then the question is whether it's been declared when cabinet
has been discussing that.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Well, I wouldn't know that. I wouldn't know that, but
I presume it would be, and you know, like it's
no secret what's on your register. So the other minister's probably.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Knew, Brent, I mean, does she's I know that Mark
Turner had been calling for an emergency cabinet meeting saying
that that really needs to happen, and that the Chief
Minister has breached her own code.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Breach the code Matte you might know the.

Speaker 7 (04:27):
Exactly the ministerial code oft.

Speaker 8 (04:29):
I think that's a bit of a stretch to be
completely frank in the member for Blaine's entitled to his opinions,
but he's not in the cabinet room, and if he
is wrong, even if he is wrong, and in this
instance he is wrong when it comes to declaring conflicts
of interest in the cabinet room.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Obviously I'm new to cabinet.

Speaker 8 (04:44):
However, you are asked to declare at the very start
of every meeting and when there's been no discussion onward side. So,
like Kezier said, it's been on the registering twenty twelve
and she has to declar it every time.

Speaker 7 (04:55):
There's a bit of.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
Because I saw that put the ant pen and has
reporters that it was only declared.

Speaker 7 (05:01):
I think in twenty twelve.

Speaker 8 (05:02):
There wrong, So ABC has provided all of the documentation
back to twenty twelve.

Speaker 7 (05:07):
The legend said they went and checked the register.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Yes, the alleged Assembly register online doesn't have all of
the dating parliaments, so we've gone and provided those and
more than happy to come back to you if you
need to see it.

Speaker 7 (05:16):
Matt, absolutely, okay, I will have to take you on
your word.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
So I haven't gone and looked myself, but it's certainly been
reported that the first declaration came in twenty twenty nine
and twenty the.

Speaker 8 (05:25):
Way, it's the most recent one on the website, but
we've got all the data provide a.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean, it does sort of raise the question are
we in a situation here where there needs to be
some changes so they're you know, like the federal government.
So last year Anthony Albanesi announced that the federal government
ministers had been told to sell off their shareholdings and
divest from blind trust arrangements under a tough new code
of conduct implemented by the Prime Minister.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I mean, is that.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Something My understanding again is that that is something that's
meant to be happening here in the territory.

Speaker 8 (05:55):
Is this reality portfolio, so we can get the writing food.
But when it's really your portfolio, need to divest them.
The Chief has sold them off. Now I think that
at the end of the day, it's a bit of
white noise. The reality of is Woodside had nothing to
do with middle Arm and those people that have got
particular issues with the gas or the mineral sector and
middle Arm.

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Press releases though they're not from twenty twenty one where
Woodside is mentioned.

Speaker 8 (06:18):
You got a remember didn't have the portfolio at the time,
so it has to have the portfolio, is the way
it's written.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
No, no, but I'm sorry you said Woodside's not involved
in middle ARM.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
But they're doing carbon catcher and storage.

Speaker 8 (06:26):
They're not actively it's ARM for a paper, a scoping
study paper and carbon catcher storage. They are not at
middle Arm. They're not a proponent of middle Arm. They've
come out and said that, and that was under Michael Gunner.
So what I can say the Chief has sold their shares,
She's made the call to divest them, to get rid
of the white noise. At the end of the day,
there's been no gain. It's been completely declared since twenty
twelve and she's not the minister for forget for the

(06:47):
gas industry. She has major projects and obviously that has
a thing across the whole of the territory.

Speaker 7 (06:51):
But if Chief Minister your minister for everything.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Really I just said that, didn't I just said that?

Speaker 8 (06:55):
But the point being that Woodside is not involved in
Middle Arm.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
Look, Katie, the territorianes are telling me that they this
is like another time where they're losing trust and faith
in our chief Minister. I mean, she could have divested
these shares earlier, she could have looked through her conflicts
of interest earlier. I think it's the way in which
it's been managed. I mean day one day she's saying
to Matt oh, no, I've done nothing wrong and I'm
all good. I'm going to keep these shares, and that

(07:21):
she hopes that they make a return, and then the
next day she's pulled into cabinet and then decides to
do a statement to sell those shares. I just think
it calls into question the judgment call of our decision
makers here in the territorial.

Speaker 8 (07:32):
Judgment calls and decision makers. So the Member for Barkley
has shares in our few resources, which is in his area.
So if we're going to talk about conflicts of interest,
then everyone shouldn't have shares. We should go and find
out where our super funds put our shares. She declared it,
she sold them. There is no woodside in Middle Arm.
So I get you want to play the politics on
this from the SALP side. But you guys have shares
and gas companies as well, which you declare which haven't

(07:54):
been an issue now. But if you want to get
into government next year, are you going to sell your shares?

Speaker 5 (07:57):
And Steve Egerton has come out and he would just.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
Other parliamentary members that have their partners that have direct
shares in certain companies, are they going to sell them?

Speaker 5 (08:05):
If they're a member of that portfolio, then like you've
just said, they need to divest in them.

Speaker 8 (08:10):
They're not the show ministers at the moment weld in government.
So will we divest before you before going to August
next year?

Speaker 5 (08:17):
You're a minister now you're in the cabinet decision.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I'm asking you the question.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
We're not the decision makers about what happens in government.
Where be looking at your own backyard here and seeing
what you can do to try and gain the confidence
there's some kind concerned about that.

Speaker 8 (08:33):
They've got declared shares on their side that relates to
our If your resource is Santos origin and family have
to declare their shares and they're on the public records.

Speaker 7 (08:40):
I guess the point that sort.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Of big the question do we need to make some changes?
I mean, because the rule is the parliamentary rules at
the moment are that you've just got to declare. You've
got to make sure that any kinds of shares are.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Declared on that And yes, so it's fun. We need
to see some changes here.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Don't I don't know, well, I can't see what changes
we need to make that. The Register of interests is
what do you own? So you declare your tangible assets,
which are land, buildings, whatever, and then financial interests you
know like the idiomass which bank you bank with? So
I bank with NAB good bank and probably stay with

(09:15):
them for a long time because they're a good business bank,
you know. And then it danced with what the financial
interests have you got? And financial interests could be anything.
They could be trusts, they could be shares, they could
be de benchers. I mean I had a for a
long time it was on my register of a shared
interest from my father's estate. You know, I owned land
at Bachelor, but it was in a shared interest, it
was an entitlement. So if you've got financial entitlements for you,

(09:38):
I put that on there as well. So it's not
just shares. I think the focus is just sure enough,
you know, woodside shares whatever. The chievements have had them
and now she's got rid of them. But it's all there.
Everything has to be there now. It's up to the
member to put on the register what their interests are.
Like I'm patron of a couple of things, so I
put that on. So yeah, Fred's past show. So Fred's
past show wanted to love with government for money? I

(10:01):
would have to declare that I'm the patron of the show,
so you know. And I know other members have put
you know, chairmanship or patronages of various clubs, horses, soccer, footy, whatever,
that's all part of it as well.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
And so are people satisfied now? I guess it's a
question for our listeners. Are you satisfied now with you know,
with the response from the Northern Terror Tries Chief Minister
zero four double nine seven double one three six zero
if you do want to text through or is this
something that she should be falling on her sort of
should she actually be standing down? Has she done the
wrong thing? Katie.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
The other thing is people can go on to the
legisl of Assembly website and look at the members register,
as you can at every politician around the countryside, in
every parliament. You can go and look on the Federal
register of Federal members and at lists them. And then
every once in a while a media outlet goes through
and says, oh, this member owns the most properties in
the Northern Territory and this member has nothing, and this
man riggs that's right to do wrong though, I'm Natasha,

(10:54):
so you know, oh, this person's got this and this
person's got that, and you know, and it's almost like
it's a shame job. How dare you you have property?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
And one thing I do want to say on that
topic and on that is I think like at the
end of the day, we're trying to entice people into politics.
So we want good people to join politics, you know,
to get involved in politics, and you have to like
we've got to understand that they are obviously going to
have different investments, they are going to have different properties
and things like that, and that is definitely something that

(11:22):
should be declared. But the point here is, you know,
was there a perceived or real conflict of interest for
the Chief Minister having those Woodside shairs and then you
know potentially do you know doing business with Woodside and
also there being the development.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
The difference would.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
Have been that if Woodside was actively involved or then
came and said, hey, we now want to look at
Middle Arm, that would have been an issue. That would
have be an issue you would have to work through.
But the reality was declared. And I agree with Keesy's point.
He becomes a really slippery slope about determining when it
isn't isn't an issue.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And let's be really clear.

Speaker 8 (11:56):
This has come about by a particular group of people
that are idologically motivated around Middle Arm and the gas industry,
and that's the only reason it's become an issue for them,
and they're trying to make something out of nothing. The
shares have been sold to get rid of the white
noise and can get back to looking after territories and
growing the economy. And both sides of politics have interests
in their super shares, they have interest in their property
like Kezia said, the COLP, the Labor government, independence all

(12:18):
have them. We have to declare them. I think the
issue becomes when they're not declared and then it comes out.
That's when we should be having a real look at people.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
Actually, I actually think one defense that works in the
Chief Minister's favor here. I know it's sort of she's
been framed as this stridently pro gas chief minister.

Speaker 7 (12:36):
I don't think she's that at all.

Speaker 6 (12:38):
You know, even when she gave her her highly publicized
speech at the Press Club, if you you know, and
her office sent out the speech beforehand, the words gas
that were in the speech were removed from the speech
that she delivered. She avoids using the words gas and
fracking of it. You know, I would say there'd be
a lot of people in this town who say she's
not supportive enough of that industry. So I think for

(13:01):
some people they would say, you know, for her then
to be criticized for being, you know, this sort of
pro gas chief minister, I'm not sure that necessarily holds wood.
I think I know that it'd be think I think
in the last twelve months there's been repositioning, and I

(13:21):
think that's because the government maybe even has polling, or
it's aware that it has a serious issue with economic
development in the Northern Territory.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
And if it's running an agenda.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
That it's not supportive of the resources industry, it's probably
going to get kicked out office next year.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
If there was going to be pro gass, it had
been Nicole Madison, the Resources Minister, who's overtly very supportive
of the industry, whether it be mining, hard rock extractors.
So look she's at the front of them.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
We have got quite a few messages coming through on
this one here, of allan from Alan in Gray. He said,
this share business is a storm in a teacup. Joe said, Hi, Cady, Honestly,
I never sided with the Chief Minister on anything, but
I'll tell you what in regards to the shares, she's
got nothing to apologize for. All of us have shares
somewhere along the line. She's never tried to hide it.
She had it on the register. It's honestly, it's really

(14:10):
just everybody trying to create trouble over nothing. Why don't
they just get on with their job of running the
Northern Territory. We have got much more pressing issues to
deal with that one there from Joe. Look, there are
some different ones I know that Rob has messaged through,
he said, good morning Katie.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
The shares aren't the issue.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
The reasons for numerous confidential payouts are the real issues,
says Rob. So look there are different opinions. We've got
a lot of other messages coming through. Crackles said, good
morning Katie, regarding our chief miness to having shares around portfolios.
Didn't a New South Wales premiere fall on his sword
over a bottle of wine?

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Barrio'farrell, Yes, he did.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
So, didn't Claire though, correct.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
But it's more about the way that you manage the conflict.
And like I said before, she's just changing her tune
and it's almost like it's not about what territorians are
looking for from her, which is leadership. She's saying, oh,
I'm getting some heat here from activists down south or
from other people in the territory. I better do something
about this, like it's almost an afterthought, whereas as a

(15:09):
leader she You're right, we know full well what's on
those conflict of interest registers. We speak to the i
CAAP regularly about that. He provides training not only to
members of parliament, but to all government employees about this,
This conversation sounds like it's never been had amongst Natasha
files on her colleagues until it became a problem and
she had to cop the heat on it.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Brent, is she safe as leader following on from this decision?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (15:33):
This is just storm in a teacup, Like I'm actually
surprised how much which it is storming a teacup? Like
where do you draw the line on this? It was
declared and people want to use it for a particular outcome,
which is no gas and no middle arm. And I

(15:55):
think that most territories want to see development, they want jobs.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
You may not have been here at the time, but
what do you reckon? The labor opposition in sort of
twenty fifteen early twenty sixteen would have said if this
was revealed about.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Adam Giles, I think they had a lot more problems
than but I.

Speaker 6 (16:10):
Think, I mean, you know, Laby was very good at
opposition and I reckon they would have screamed blue murder
about this for days if this had happened back then.

Speaker 8 (16:18):
I wasn't involved in the party then, I wasn't involved
in politics, and luckily I was wearing a green uniform
and I was out in the bush of the army.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Soone gould to missage here from Wendy. It says, good morning, Katie.
I love listening to Matt. Would he like to have
a run at Chief Finister?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
We better take your blush break. You are listening to
Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is the
week that was. You are listening to the week that was.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
And overnight a police officer, we've learned, is now going
to need to undergo surgery today after being injured during
an arrest in Karama. Now Police received reports of a
man swinging an axe at people at the Karama Shopping
Center car park last night. When trying to arrest him,
female officer received a puncture wound to her arm from

(17:04):
a spiky armband that the man was wearing. Police alleged
that he was in possession of other homemade weapons in
addition to the axe, and the thirty eight year old
was eventually taken into custody and is expected to be
charged with weapon and assault offenses.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Pretty horrendous stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Disgusting behavior.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
And I'll be watching this one as the Minister for
Police very carefully because that officer unfortunately has been injured
in the front line and doesn't deserve it, and he
needs to when he goes before the courts, the judge
needs to understand it's not just the offending with the weapon,
it's the fact that they've assaulted a police officer and
then of course their duty. So I expect that they'll
be sending its appropriately. It's a full weight of the
law on this one.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
This just keeps happening though. I mean, just this week
in Parmasen we have the incident at the Parmesan bus
stop where there was that guitar case full of weapons,
including a machete. I mean, they were having a massive
brawl at a time I think it was one third
in the afternoon, but it continued until the kids were
getting off the busses for school, and there are kids
that sort of saw the commotion that was going on.

(18:03):
Just post those incidences, I mean, none of this is
new and it's horrific, and it all goes back to
the fact that the police they don't have the powers
to be able to deal with this. We don't have
the consequences to be able to ensure that people who
do the wrong thing absolutely know that they are going
to be dealt with properly. I mean, we've had countless
legislation that we have tried to put through Parliament as

(18:25):
a coorp that the government knocked back. This has been
going on for years now, since twenty sixteen, we've had
a government that continues to water down the laws and
territorians are the ones that are the feeling unsafe. They're
feeling unsafe when they catch the bus, They're feeling unsafe
in their own homes and it doesn't matter where you live.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
Well, I don't disagree, but it's a bit of garbage
that you say the police don't have the tools for that,
particularly incident in Palmeerston. The CCTV operators identify what was
occurring and Gen's responded very quickly. It wasn't a prolonged
period of time. And to say that they don't have
the tools. Going armed in public is already a piece
of legislation right now, it's been there for years. Is
they've been detained, they've been remind one of the youth
involved has been referred for youth diversion.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
And just for those that.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Are listening to being armed in public no.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
Adults being present, for it, so he may not have
had the weapon himself. You know, those are the details
we don't know. But to be referred to youth diversion
in that common offending, he would have had to be
the first time offender. So you know, I'm happy to
come back and clarify that for you. You can't be
a second time offender. I get referred to.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I get that, but you go, it's not like it's
not a normal thing to be armed with weapons, is it?

Speaker 8 (19:27):
And they're down. But what I'm trying to say is
that they have the powers. Police responded very quickly, CCTV
qued them on, they arrested. The individual has been held
on remand to go and appear before the courts. Now
it's on the court to sentence them. But going armed
in public has a hefty penalty.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Well look, but that's the new police minister. What are
you going to do differently than has been done since
two thousand and six to make territories feel safe?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
As I said, he can go so far.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
It is not going that. The crime rates are not
going down, are they? They increasing and they have been
since twenty sixteen, So what are you going to do differently?

Speaker 3 (19:59):
This as I've said for I have two objectives of
as the policeman.

Speaker 8 (20:02):
It's the first one to support the front line given
the tools of legislation and anything they need to be
police officers. And the second one is it when you
call for a cop, you get a cop. Now, it's
not a legislation issue. You guys think that you can
get your way at is with legislation. Legislation only takes
effect once the crime has been committed and there before
the court. It doesn't deffer someone. What we need is
rehab programs in prisons. What we need is additional resourcing
on the front line. I said, when the police review

(20:23):
comes in, I'll support that, But we're getting people back
to work. The fact that we can get fifty additional
officers out of a draina in our springs is a
demonstration that we're seeing a reduction in return. We're getting
a better retention rate, so less people separating and a
better availability of our asset because we've got less liability.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
So when you say, if you call a cop, you
get a cop, how many more police do we need
to make sure that that actually happens.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
There's two answers to that question.

Speaker 8 (20:47):
So the first one is only to use the resource
we've got better, which is what we see now the
Springs Adrena fifty extra officers running a shadowship, so two
ships at the same time.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
But the review will come out.

Speaker 8 (20:55):
I think you know you've seen people previous commissioners say
somewhere of two hundred.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
The DV has been speaking about that.

Speaker 8 (20:59):
I don't want to predicate and put words in the
mouth of the review, but whatever they come back with
will tell us what we need.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And I know they're looking at different models.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Where can we get to a space where we have
other people helping out with the admin so officers aren't
getting stuck behind the desk. And I said this o
thing on your show, Katie last week after my three
nights of ride lungs. I need to help them get
minutes back because if I can get in the minutes,
I'm going to get the mouse. For example, not waiting
at the hospital for three hours to be seen for
an authorization of custody. That's not a legislation change, that's operational.
That's as a minister, I can do that with my counterparts.

(21:28):
The other one is making sure that territory families are
available when they need them. So as we said earlier,
we're going to twenty four to seven for the small
gap they're currently I think it's like three am to
seven that will be filled by territory families now in
our Springs and Darwin, so that we don't have police
having to hold on the kids while they find mum
and dad. Those little pieces get us a better efficiency
on the start on the time that stuff work. But
you know what, the police have told me, that's what

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they want. So if they're going to if it's going
to make their job easier, we're going to see more
of them at work doing their job on the beat,
chasing criminals.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
So only other Springs announcement, because that was obviously the
other thing that really did make news headlines through the
week is the fact that the Northern Territory governments, so
now it's more than fifty officers are going to be
rostered on through Operation Drina, as you've just touched on now.
We did speak to the Police Commissioner yesterday and he
did confirm that what it's going to mean is that
there'll be officers over the Christmas period who have not
had their leave approved, so they won't be going away

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over that Christmas break, they will actually be staying in
Alla Springs to make sure that they can cover those shifts.
And it isn't necessarily well, it doesn't seem as though
it's an extra fifty officers.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
It's just rejiggings there, so lock I explained earlier and
go to the point I just made there. Firstly, thank
you to those officers that aren't going to be going
on Christmas leave. I know it's difficult, but they understand
that that's the peak period and they're the front line.
So I thank them for the time they're going to
give up and we will catch them back with their
leave later. But it is two rosters running. Like I said,
the general duties patrol groups will be three cars in
a supervisor that will always be filled one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
If they need to, they pull from Drena. But Drina
is the.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Efficiency were found with a less leave in Titlement. After
COVID we had a significant leave loading in Titlan. We
had to give people leave, so we didn't have the
same available as this time. We've reprioritized the policing priorities
and said frontline, proactive and general duties is number one priority.
So they've pulled offers from other places in central Australia,
not from Berkley, not from you into Moon, not from Darwin,
but from the Alice Spring station itself, and they run

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a shadow roster. So for example, when I was down there,
three cars and a supervisor General duties, plus another three
cars of DRINA, mixture of vans and foot patrols. And
then on top of that they had Task Force Viper
which is the property crime offenders. They had the major
crime guys out and then they've now got road policing.
So you know, if needed, say the general duties are
all being taken with DV or something else and there's
a call for assistance, well DRINA will attend that.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
But first and foremost they're walking the streets, tipping groll
moving people on.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
The kids that get picked up by the police at
three o'clock in the morning, who were walking around, where
did they go?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Currently?

Speaker 8 (23:45):
Right now, when a police officer picks a child up,
they have to go and try and find it a
safe place or a parent. When they can't find a
safe place or a parent, they're held with either police
or territory families because that's that's deemed a safe place
out there.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Until this point, Territory Families hasn't been working twenty four
hours a day.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
They worked till three in hours, I believe it. Then
they on call.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So when you just go why, like, why have we
got a situation like you've spoken about with police efficiencies
and they're not sitting there at the at the hospital
for several hours. Why are we in a situation then
where if kids are under the age of criminal responsibility,
they're still sitting.

Speaker 8 (24:14):
With even their age, it can be up to eighteen
with no crime being committed. But I'll tell you what
where we've ended up. We know that the volume of
youth we see a spike during Christmas time during the
rest of the year, so middle of winter in Alice,
we're not seeing the same volume of kids on the street.
We're seeing it, but it's not as much as you've
see during Christmas. So therefore there was a need for
an on call system. We know the on call is

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probably not going to meet the demand we're going to
see over a Christmas So that's why we're going to
a twenty four to seven system for Territory families, so
that police can get back out and chase those minutes
back on the road, because then it means they are
tenny more jobs.

Speaker 5 (24:44):
When can people? And Catherine and Parmesan and Darwin also
expect the same from territory families.

Speaker 8 (24:50):
Well, Parmesan's in Darwin, so you're getting I just said
that Darwn in our Springs.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
So they have got the twenty four seven restarting as
well over Christmas.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Over Christmas territory families, we're working twenty four seven to.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
They will have twenty four to seven staff on over Christmas.
We made that announcement Ol Springs and.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I've made it is that for.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
Creek Down and Parmeston.

Speaker 8 (25:07):
In one area, like they're sharing the watchhouse at the moment.
Tennant Creek and Catherine don't have the same requirements as
Alice Springs and Darwin. Do they knocking around though they
have guess they do, but they have an on call
system down there and if that isn't working then we'll
amend it.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Tenant Creek we did speak about earlier in the week
as well. We caught up to Steve Edgington and he
had said that there are some really serious issues the night.

Speaker 8 (25:27):
You spoke to him, and I wasn't they have their
issues in Tening Creek like they do in Central Australia,
like we do.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Across the territory. That was a quiet night.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
I was told there's no no offending occurring on that Tuesday,
and I think you spoke to him on the Tuesday.
It was the Monday night, So it was a quiet
a night in Tennant Creek. But as the Commissioner said,
no one's being taken from Tenant Creek. They've got a
full establishment down there and they'll run their patrols as
they need to. If they need additional resources, we will
move resources into Tenant Creek, and this is what the
Commissioner said. He's got assets available to move up and

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down as we start to see spikes. But we think
that with Operation Drina there is enough surge capacity internally
in the Central Desert region to deal with what may
come over Christmas. Will it be perfect every night, Absolutely not.
We'll continue to adapt as we go.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
And look then on the flip side of this, what
we've also seen is one of the country's most prominent
indigenous legal aid services announcing that they're not going to
take on new criminal matters in Alice Springs for the
rest of the year, raising concerns some of the town's
most vulnerable residents will need to represent themselves in criminal court.
Sore NAJA, the main legal aid agency for Aboriginal people

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in the Northern Territories, faced a wave of lawyer resignations
out it's Alice Springs office. That is according to the ABC,
with former staff telling the ABC more than a dozen
lawyers have quit since June and of the seventeen lawyers
that used to be at the criminal department, there are
now just three.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Are that whole saga involving Naga it needs to be
resolved as quickly as possible to the benefit of their
client base and obviously staff. Now there's no way that
some of their clients can represent themselves in court because
a lot of the time English is not before languages,
the second or third language. That's the first thing, and
the second thing is courts generally don't like people representing

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themselves because the system wants the person before the court
to get the best possible support. Legal support in that
court system, you know, to understand what's happening, what they've
been charged with. You know, what are their options, what
are their defense it they've been charged with something but
the fact that the lawyers have all bailed out goes
to the heart of this problem with large I when
you've got a CEO saying this, and you've got the
board saying this, and now they're being audited by the

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komaff government and the anti government reguards to fund and
fair enough to you know, it's tax pace funding that
are funding it. The sooner they can get that sorted out,
the better and to either attract those lawyers back to
that system or get some new lawyers. But if those
lawyers have all left, well they're not going to sit
on their hands. They're out there in the community and
they may go into other legal agencies and they can
still be there to support, you know, the clients that

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go into the court system. That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Well, and not only have they left, but you've lost
the experience as well, and so you know you might
be able to hire another twelve junior lawyers for them.

Speaker 7 (28:02):
They're not going to understand.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
What it means, Katie, I think because the clients won't
go to the court, well I don't think they should
anyways go to the court by themselves. It just means
that those there will be longer delays going before the
court system. So they're either in remand so it means
they stay in their jails longer or they're out in
the community, and really they should be.

Speaker 7 (28:19):
Before the court.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
It has a flow on effect, you know, not being
able to represent them in court.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Just on this topic though still of you know, I
know I've sort of gone a little bit sideways there
with that narger story.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
But on the topic of public safety, we.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Had a really interesting discussion earlier in the week with
Warren Ebbersh the CEO of Sentinel Property Group and he's
also they own Casuarina Square, of course, and spoke about
some of the measures that they are going to to
try to keep people safe when they go out and
do their shopping.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
I mean, they've got increased dog patrols.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
They've had to He was saying that, I think there's
been twenty German shepherds brought into the Northern Territory or
into the top end, not just you know, obviously not
just for Casina Square, but to provide those patrolling services
across the top ends.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
He did say that, and listen, we met with Warren,
and I met with Warren and Polly this week I
think it was and I'll be catching it with her
again before sitting, just to run through the issues they
have there. And I saw that first ten on the
Tuesday night that I so had the Saturday night that
I went out in Casarina, we got called to the
bus in a change for an assault and there was
people underneath the car parkt at ungodly times for no
other reason than they're causing a MUK. But what I

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would say, the work that Warren wants to do around
the bottle shop in there, I think is good work.
You know, you can't access the bottle shop if you're
on the BDR underage, so you can't even gain access
into that place. But when you listen to his comments
on ABC radio, he also made the point that this
is not just in Darwn at his stores, it's across
all their facilities.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, he did say that the particularly a problem.

Speaker 8 (29:44):
And I mean we know that Townsville and Cairns and
Porterheadland are feeling the same things that we are in
North Australia. I think it's I know people don't like
hearing it now.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Well, I will say though that he said that they're
spending I think nine nine dollars per square meter on
security in Queensland and forty one or forty catch that.
So it's a huge amount of money that it's costing
them to keep people safe.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
I think it's like, I just think it's really sad
that the lengths that we're having to go to for
people to feel safe in the community. It feels like
everyone's building a bigger fence, everyone's getting a bigger padlock
on their gate. You know, Warren was talking about basically
from what I correct me if I'm wrong, but I
listened to that conversation and the idea of if you
have to go and buy alcohol from a bottle shop,

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it's going to be like buying from a going to
a bank teller in the nineteen eighties, where there's someone
going to be in a box behind bars who's going
to have to go and fetch your grog. I mean,
if this is the point that we've got to, you know,
and these are the measures that we're having to take,
then then we've failed miserably in what we need to
be doing to us.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Walking vending machines at bottle shops could be a way
of the future. He was saying that they've come up
with the idea and they're going to work with retailers
to implement that approach when the lease is come up
for it.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
And some of these measures that are being implemented in
bottle shops with stuff that are being done nationally already
that we probably should have in place now, and we've
committed that after the deck and lavity piece. And I
know that our Endeavor group have done a lot of work,
especially the one in prap as an example an airport tavern.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
And I agree.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
I think Territorians want to see a change, and that's
what I've been on the radio, I've been out. I'm
telling them we will get that change. We're in a
very different position with the police force now than where
we were a year ago, and we've still had a
lot of work to do with the review. But the
sentiment I'm getting through a lot of the guys on
the ground when I'm going to meeting, there is a feeling,
there is a positive feeling amongst them. You know, a
new commissioner with a new vision, changing culture, a review

(31:35):
coming that will identify the resources they need and they
know they've absolutely got my support. And I'll continue to
write alongs and listen to them firsthand. We can't do
much more than that than support them. And I think
the legislation piece, you know, as I say to Territorians,
legislation is only good when they face the court.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
It's not a deterrent.

Speaker 8 (31:51):
People that are criminals don't see being They don't think
they're going to get caught. What I want them though,
is when they do commit the offense, like we saw
in Karama, like we saw in Alice Springs other night
with the Mashie, as soon as it's identified, police are responding.
I think that's what Operation Draining is demonstrating, is more
resources and respond faster.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Step back to the cost of crime though for Territorians,
I mean, obviously casualty shopping square are spending those millions
of dollars for those safety measures. But small businesses and
everyday Territorians living at home, they can't afford to build
those barricades around their businesses and to make their home safe.
And in the case of Casarina, obviously that cost is
going to have to be passed on to someone, probably

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the tenants, and of course the tenants will have to
he does pass it on to the consumers, which is
the Territorian and at the time when the cost of
living pressures is already strangling you know, families and households,
this just adds to another layer of how it becomes
really difficult to live in the territory and it's a
place we love. We don't want to be having to
think about decisions of whether we're going to be here
after Christmas or not. And this just adds to those

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awful stories that we hear every single day.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Well, yes, sorry, yeah, we might have to take a
very quick break. Sorry, guys, we've got to pay the bills.
You are listening to Mix one O four nine three sixty.
It is the week that was still a couple of
things that I'm keen to discuss this morning with our
panel Murray Claire boothby Matt Cunningham, Keesi Apuric and Brent Potter. Now,
one of those is the popular nightcliff Seabreeze Festival. It's
being canceled for next year due to funding challenges, and

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organizers have taken to social media saying that they heavily
rely on sponsorship and government grants, but the City of
Darwin has cut its contribution by five thousand dollars so
the post goes on or it went on to say
that council also has sent organizers a one three hundred
and fifty dollars electricity bill that they.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Can't afford to pay. Now.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I did speak to Andrew Arthur on the show yesterday,
the chair of that committee, and yeah, he said that,
you know, this is the situation they're in. They've only
got a couple of hundred bucks in the bank, so
they're not able to pay that, to pay that bill,
and then you can't get the funding. I don't think
from the council until you paid that bill.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I thought, I know the first one. I know, it's
very popular with lots of people. I thought I heard
the mayor say that they didn't they missed the deadline
for putting in for a grant.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Well, we've got the mayor on after ten, so we'll
see what we can find out.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
So I mean, if that is true, well that's just
that's I won't go say, say, Paul management. But you know,
this festival's been going for quite a while and they'd
big time frames. There'd be deadlines like by this date,
we've got to do this, by this date, we've got
to do this. We've got to book these people, book
the spots.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
You know.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Did I also I caught some of an interview.

Speaker 6 (34:24):
Did I also hear him say that someone had offered
to pay?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yes, somebody had offered to pay.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
And we actually also had somebody call in yesterday who
I believe we're going to catch up with just after
or just before eleven, who again has offered to pay.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
We'll take up take up the offer, I mean committed,
you know, take the take the market like I'm sure
that you here. It could probably raise the five thousand
dollars short for from the council and another one and
a half from the electricity bill.

Speaker 7 (34:50):
I'd probably raise that in ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
I mean, if they did forget to put their grant in.
But also you know, like how did they incur that
debt from this year? I mean, they can't. They probably
won't be able to get a grunt from the council
until I get rid of that. So they've got to
perhaps get some sponsorship in before like now ish. Maybe
they should be approaching Santos. I'm not sure Santos would
love to support a community event. You know, people, Look,
people have got to stop being a bit precious about

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you know, you know, the oil and gas industry. It's
part of our life, as is the mining industry. People
are happy, you know, to receive the benefits sometimes of
these people. But you know, the companies themselves are community minded,
you know, and there are there's a mountain of sponsorships
out there.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Well they can take into community. This is a real
loss to the community. You look at all those dancing
groups and all those different like all the kids that
get involved in the Seabreeze Community Festival. We've heard yesterday
from a lady who actually works at one of the
age care areas in Nightcliff, and she said that what
they do as well at that time is bring some
of those dances and that to come and perform for

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the for the senior, you know, for the seniors.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Which is a great thing to do.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
And what a loss if that doesn't happen because of
this garbage between you know, with the council and the committee.

Speaker 8 (35:57):
So let's just raise it ourselves off. Put one hundred
bucks in table mark boothby you match me, and let's start.
We were talking five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I could get them from the chief.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
It's a towny thing. I could only do fifty.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
The Chief Minister divestor shares and she can then put
them into.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
The one thing she loves.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
She loves the Seabreeze Festival.

Speaker 8 (36:28):
So who knows, I mean, but five thousand dollars, Like
if cancel can't get it, I'm not going to speak.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Why they can't afford it, that's not their business. But
surely we can raise five thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (36:36):
And like Kezier said, you know, sometimes we need to
accept the people want to do good, and these companies
want to do good in the community. And a lot
of people in our community work for Impacts, work for Santos,
like they do, create jobs in the economy, they support
our sporting fields. They as you said Matt earlier, they're
involved in the salties.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Like then they want to help.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
So if it means a difference between not happening, exactly right,
If it's a difference between not happening and happening, well,
I think there's a lot of territories that would want
to see it happen.

Speaker 7 (37:03):
I don't know if they've asked.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
I mean, presumably Santos had have two undergrand to play
with because they were sponsoring the day and festival.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Other organizations and one in particular I know, like the
bendy Go Bank and Nightcliffe. The bendy Go Bank at
koler Linga has.

Speaker 9 (37:21):
Community Jerry with Jerry Jerry wood message. I thought you'd
be in the community bank next.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Mister Woody. I have got an account at bendy Go Bank.
But anyway, moving on declaring yeah, I think I have
actually excellent I'm not sure about that anyway, Not to
worry about that Community Benefit Bank in Nightcliffe they have
a program of funding community events. Clean Heat Gas has
a well known program. I'd send information to people in

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my area all the time. Connico have but it's not
just all in gas companies. There are other organizationations, financials
like the Bendigo Bank, like Clean Heat that have funds
that they give to community events. All you've got to
do is ask your local member like Marie Claire, myself
or Brent and we'll be able to give you details.
So get on with it and get your grant applications.
The more you put your grant applications in it is

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a better chance of success. Ten thousand. The community benefits
is up to fifteen thousand, yeah, I think, And you
can apply all the time, well look well to all
the time.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
We will talk a little more about this after ten
o'clock this morning when we catch up with the Lord
Mayor of Darwin convat Scarlets.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
But we're going to take a very quick break when
we come back.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I want to talk about a topic that gets everybody
fired up.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Flight prices out in and out.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Of the Northern Territory that's coming your way in just
a couple of moments. I can't let the panel wrap
up this morning without talking about these flight prices because
it was being reported by the Northern Territory News Cam
Smith earlier in the week that Territorians, fed up with
paying eye watering prices for interstate flights are rallying against
the major airlines ahead of Christmas, some choosing to drive

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as the country to visit family. I've done lots of
the host drives in my time growing up in mounta Isser.
It's not a fun drive dar.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
And Alla Springs. I think it's fourteen hundred or something
one way. It's hard on it's had a lot business.
I mean it's hard on families and loved ones and
you know people going up and down for doctor business.
But it's hard on business, you know, and of course
it gobbles up government money with you having to move
members of Parliament around for whatever reason. So that's just
within the northern territory. Then you try going to state.
I think it was one way two thousand to Sydney.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Or so there's some ridiculous lot. Price is crazy and
you can get you can get.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
To bloody Europe for the price it takes to almost
get back in Sydney's.

Speaker 7 (39:37):
Yeah you want to, people will.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Nick off, they won't go in, they won't use interest date,
they'll go overseas with another carrier.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Well, well you're looking at that.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
That's some expensive once you planning on guys, I was
looking at flights to the states. Corn has had a
sale eleven hundred bucks to the US return.

Speaker 7 (39:55):
From Melbourne or Sydney.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
But the problem was it's going to cost you a
thousand bucks on top of that to get them on
to the product.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
The ghost of Joyce past.

Speaker 8 (40:04):
It's still following us through and I think this is
just a point that they don't understand the climate that
we're in the territory and charging two thousand dollars one
way or sorry returns ridiculous. But this is why we
put the airline attraction funding. We've obviously seen Bonzo come
and take that and they're doing directing our springs and
the intent with that is so that it creates a
demand in our springs to see a reduction in the
prices from Alice to Darwin.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
That's why they're not going all the way through.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
And I suspect, you know, if the numbers flow through
and encourage everyone to use the airline so that we
can start to see some competition in the market.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
But yeah, I think they've missed the mark.

Speaker 8 (40:32):
And I think Cornas, not just Cornus with Virgin but
especially Connas has realized recently they probably missed the social
mark there with the strains, and hopefully they can start
to correct it. Because the excuse that the runway is
causing this cost increase, I think, I think that's just
that's that's that is just convenient.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
No, well, that is what we had been told.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
We've spoken to aviation expert Bruce Dale and he said
what the issue was is that then I believe it's
when they're taking off that it's got to be a
certain weight, the low bight, it's got to be a
bit different.

Speaker 8 (40:59):
Because I understand that the aircraft they choose, they tore
also flying.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
And fly out, so you reckon they can choose.

Speaker 8 (41:05):
And I know that there's a reason why they love
flying us at Red Eyes because they're otherwise that plane
is laid up doing nothing. So you know, it's a
very convenient thing to say the runway getting repairs. But
these these costs were happening before the runways were even
getting repaired, so you know it's.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Been expensive for a while, there's no doubt about that.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
And then they go conscious has painted their new planes
will pretty green? Looks nice? Now have you lost? Yeah,
they've rolled it out pretty good. Just fire the bloody
planes at a good price, say the money on.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
The paint exactly.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Supply and demand issue, Like if you've got people wanting
to go away and leave the territory for holidays, they
need to feel the planes coming back. And if the
demand isn't there to fill the planes, and these guys
a corporate, they're going to change those They're going to
increase those prices. That's right. We need to work on
getting the people to the territory. Even in that off
season over Christmas, they get interstate people to come to
the territory and if you can grow that demand then

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of course the flights and the airlines are all going
to come in. I'm with that.

Speaker 8 (42:00):
And just on that note, we've got a campaign running
at the moment in a state to attract people over
the off season, and I would hate to spread. How
much of that is we're paying for that, I can't remember,
but it is an amount of money to attract people
in the off season so that the hospitality industry has
work over Christmas.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Now before we wrap up, there have been a few
calls from our listeners well speaking basically wanting to call Brench,
wanting to make his nickname the Flash, because he speaks
very quickly.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
But I was there.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
I then had it on Michael Gunner.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
About the kind of flashing.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
You can't do that in this sportfolio.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Well then I didn't get told though throughout the week.
That's double hang on.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Patrick Johnson is the og Flash.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
That's his nickname.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Now for those of you who don't know who Patrick
Johnson is, well, he was an Australian sprinter.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
He lives here in the Northern Territory now.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
He was the first and only Australian sprinter to run
under ten seconds in nine point nine three seconds. Brent,
one of our listeners requested, if you want that nickname,
you've got to for it.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
So no where to hold him, know when to fold him.
He can keep the name. But what I will do
if the original.

Speaker 8 (43:05):
Og wants to have one hundred meters sprint, I'll chuck
on some some shoes and we can do it for charity.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Festival.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
That's about the words you say really fast. It just
has meaning that.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
We're getting to the end of the segment. I don't
want to have to go back.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
And just your chest bread on that.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
No, we better wrap up for the morning.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Brent Potter, the Minister for Police, thanks very much for
your time this morning.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Thank you Katie, thank you listeners, and thanks for the panel.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Isn't he the independent member for going to thank you
for your time this morning.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Thanks Katie and also Kalladium Festival is on this weekend
at the Fosky Paion. If you like Claydyen, I'm sure
there'll be other plants, but it's priorities.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Kalladiums Cruel be out there broadcasting life. It should be
lots of fun.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Matt Cunningham, the award winning Matt Cunningham, thank you very
much for your time this morning. Thanks Katie and Marie
Claire Booth, the opposition spokesperson for various portfolios and me,
but for Brennan, thank you for your time this morning.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Thank you, Katie. And tomorrow is also a Mahappy Day,
which raises money for sick kids who have to travel
from the territory into state. I'll be there. I believe
there'll be a bunch of other CRP members out and about.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
And I'll be at lone Miller.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Now, before people complain, there'll be no week that was
next Friday because I'm going to be away, but the
following week we will be back.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
No conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
We could check them out on the award winning the
award winning journalists, come on something.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Do you want We'll wrap up and we'll we'll decide.
Good on you guys. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Who you are listening to Mix one O four nine's
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