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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, last week, as we know, there were killed kids
assaulted while at school. A thirteen year old allegedly assaulted
four kids at O'lachland Catholic College. Their school principal has
spoken to the Northern Territory News. Now joining us in
the studio this morning is the Chief Minister of the
Northern Territory Evil All. A good morning to you, Katie.
Thanks so much for your time this morning now, Chief Minister.
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The principal of the school has spoken to the NT
News and it's apparently one of three incidents that the
school has faced. What are you doing to support the
school is who is obviously having to deal with violent
offenders who've got nothing to do with them getting on
the grounds.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it's a Catholic school, so it's a non government school.
So the Northern Territory Government obviously registered non government schools
and we have a registrar of non government school so
we're sort of at a bit of an arms length
around a government school. But I know the local member
Naria kids been having conversations with some of the parents
from O'lochland there, but Yekland.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I think it's a great school. I was there.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I think when I was Education Minister, probably in about
September October last year, saw some really good programs happening
at that school. So I think they've referred to about
three incidents is where they've had people coming on or
kids coming onto the ground. And I presume that's around
some issues that are outside of the school boundary that
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then get brought into the school boundary. So I'm sure
Lachlan will put measures in place. Schools have very strong
processes around code, like a code read where you have
somebody come onto the school grounds and often schools will
practice those just like fire drills. They'll practice those sorts
of drills, so it will be that the kids stay
inside and they locked the doors and things like that.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, look, we spoke to Catholic Education last week. They
went through their response, which does sound it was very
you know, they were very quick and comprehensive to respond.
But people are really asking the question at the moment
does the government have a duty of care here to
keep territory kids safe. I mean, when you've got someone
jumping the fence who allegedly had an ankle bracelet on
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and punching kids that are at school doing the right thing.
Where's the duty of care from the Northern Territory government
to keep those kids safe? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well, there's absolute duties of care for the school.
So the school has a duty of care out in.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Terms of somebody jumping the fence who's engaged in criminal behavior,
were engaging then in what would be deemed as criminal behavior.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so the school would have rung the police and
then the police can obviously if it's a school, they
would prioritize that as a call out and head there
and then arrest that child and that the parents would
obviously become involved, but depending on the age of the
young person, they would be charged with assault.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Do you have any idea if that child has been
charged with the salt?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I don't have the details.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
As I said, you know, the Education Ministru I'm sure
does around that one and probably would have had contact
through the Register of Non Government Schools, which is the
that of the Education Department that looks after Catholic education.
When I was the minister, I used to meet regularly
with Paul Grieves, who's the CEO of Catholic Education. I'm
sure Mark Monahan would do the same. But yeah, nobody
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wants to see schools becoming places that are unsafe, and
as I said, if it was, you know, it's about
addressing the issue why who's involved, What's what's going on
with that child? Who are they, what's the problem, what's
the basis for the.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, why on earth is somebody jumping into the school
grounds and assaulting kids? You know, parents like parents should
not have to worry about that. And it goes to
sort of the heart of one of the issues that
a lot of people are worried about at the moment,
Chief Minister, because it's not dealing with it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But was it targeting a child? So was it a
you know, something that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Had come off from outside of the school, football, basketball,
some other sport and you're coming into well, it's then
you know that one child rather than that it's not
a random it was more about targeting And as I said,
I don't have the facts on that, but yet whatever
it is is the schools have school most schools now
have fences. I'm sure o'lachlan has fencing as well, so
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they do have strategies in place. I think if you
go into a school you'll know you have to sign in,
so they have very firm measures in place to keep
the people who aren't school members out well.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And yeah, look, I know a lot of people listening
this morning though, are going to be thinking to themselves
like it sort of sounds like it's like it's excuses,
when fundamentally the concern is that parents are worried that
they can't actually send their kids to school without them
being safe, not because the school's not protecting them, but
because you've got kids that are breaking the law.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, it's Okadie.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The school schools go very out of their way to
make sure every child is safe at school, and I'm
sure o'lachlan has those measures in place if there is
on occasion somebody who's doing the wrong thing, straight away
they put in place a process which is a lockdown
and call police, and they did that in that instance,
so you know, that's that's what you have to do
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around those incidences.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But I spend too much time with this, but I
know that I know right now there's going to be
parents listening going Katie. The Chief Minister is answering this
question like it's the school's fault or the school's issue
to deal with, when it's actually the issue of youths
that aren't doing the right thing that should be at school.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So again Katie, then they call the police. You know
that the school puts in place measures and they have
to have measures in place to keep their students safe.
But you know, a random you can't in all the
history of a Lachland college there you know three you know,
it's like a random act and of course that child
will be or that young person then will be the
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issue will be addressed around that. So but the school
has to have things in place, but it is it
is like any high school. There at times where there
are other students that come into the school for whatever reason,
and often it is around a fight or a payback
of some sort around a fight, and the school has
to deal with that and through the police they deal
with that. But you know, I don't know, I'm not
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sure what you think should be done because I guess it's.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
More an issue. It's not actually the school that I
suppose I'm asking the question about. It's more what the
government is doing. You know. Over the last few weeks
we've had a situation where we've had a lot of
different incidents throughout the day where there is kids that
should be at school, who aren't at school, who are
actually committing offenses. You know, we spoke about it Casuarina.
We spoke about it in the CBD just a couple
of weeks ago. And now you know, I guess the
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culmination of this then, is seeing something like this happen
at a school.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's o Katie.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
There are many things in place around young people who
should be at school, and that's around re engagement center.
So there is the Malac re Engagement Center, for example,
where Northern Suburbs kids who aren't attending school, if they're
identified through territory families, they get the support to go
to that place re engagement center. We've got a re
engagement center in Palmston as well. We've also got the
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School Center in Palmston the kids who are disengaged from
mainstream schooling. So there are things that are put in
place around that. Also the work of territory families around
those kids. So yeah, every child should be at school
every day. If they're not, then it comes down to
either the police or territory families and then those wrap
around services to make sure that we get those kids
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back on the right track.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
All right, let's move along. Last week, the Northern Territory
Government announced sites for three of the four new residential
youth justice facilities that have been selected in Darwin, Tenant
Creek and Alice Springs. Some are still asking questions about
how they're going to keep young people off the streets,
Chief Minister, how exactly are they going to work?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So yes, So the sites that we're announced, we're you're
a house which is between Darwin and Palmerston. Then there
will be about placement of about sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
There.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
There will be a facility at Gap Road which was
a placement for about eight and then Juno in Tenant
Creek which is a placement.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
For around eight as well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Juno will be there as an intram measure, but longer
term we're building that bail facility also not far from
Duno in Tenant Creek as well. So and then there's
a fourth one that's planned for Catherine. So these residential
youth forcil is will provide more options for the courts
for bail or sensing young people under It'll be a
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structured supervised environment, so it'll be run by territory families.
So we've seen in the past where it's been an NGO,
but there will be territory family staff, There'll be education staff.
There has already been education and territory family staff who've
put up their hand to be a part of this,
that want to be in it, involved with it. So
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the idea is that it will provide this. It will
be a stable environment. It's not detention, but it's a
stable environment for the young people. So, for example, a
young person may be identified through territory families where their
family situation is such that they're not thriving in that environment.
They can be placed in a youth a residential youth
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justice facility, or it can provide options for the courts.
And so we hope to be able to gazette not
hope to, but we will gazete these locations as soon
as possible.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So then the ju so the judiciary will have a choice.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So instead of going, you know, don Dale, the resident
a youth justice facility is like the end of the line.
There will be a place before that where the young
people can go. It will be education, vocational education. There
will be opportunities for an assessment to get them onto
ndies if they need that. But basically it's alright, it's
turning their lives around Hope, you know, that's the drive
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and the focus of so that they don't end up
in don Dale. So it's a bit of a continuum,
you know, and it provides hopefully the judiciary an option
when instead of just saying okay, you're on bail, an
ankle bracelet and you're back home, it's an option for
these kids to have a much more structured environment.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So managed by territory family. How are the youth going
to be forced to stay there?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So at this initial stage it is around a gazettel
and so it will be that that's where they need
to stay. And if they breach that, well then obviously
it'll be a breach of bail. And if it's a
breach of bail, and then they'll go before the courts
and of course then if they go before the courts,
they might find themselves then in don Dale. So it
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is a deterrent really around Yeah, if they leave there,
they're in bigger trouble basically, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So that's how they will be forced to stay in there,
is that it will be treated as a breach of bars.
It will be Now in New South Wales they're amending
the Bail Act at the moment. The new South Wales
government's amending their Bail Act to include a temporary addition
bail test for young people between fourteen and eighteen charge
with committing certain serious break and enter offenses or motor
vehicle theft offenses while on bail for the same offenses.
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So essentially it means that a bail authority such as police,
magistrates and judges will need to have a high degree
of confidence that the young person's not going to commit
further serious offenses while on bail. They say the approach
is targeted and measured. It's a targeted and measured change
that is designed to stop specific offending behavior by certain
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young people who repeatedly engage in series breaking into and
motor vehicle theft offenses. Are you prepared to look at
doing something like this Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm obviously not a TikTok user, but you know, obviously
hear about it, and so it is this boasting around
their criminal behavior and there's a whole group of young
people who do it for the thrill and post on
social media. So yes, I've had a bit of a
look at the new South Wales legislation.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
We've got the Youth Justice Review.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I announced the panel for that Youth Justice Review last
week and definitely it's something I think, you know, New
South Wales is leading the charge on round this and
I think we'll see other states then implement it because
it's you and I do. They always often talk about
the anulogy of squeezing the balloon. You know, it's another
thing that police are having to do or the community
is having to do to.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Tighten up around crime.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Because yeah, it's just a new thing that a lot
relatively new that young people, mostly young people are doing.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Just so they've got two parts of this though in
New South Wales, you know, part of it is that
boasting and posting or posting and boasting, and so essentially
what they're going to do is there's going to be
a penalty of two years imprisonment for people who commit
motor vehicle theft or break and enter offenses and share
that material to advertise their involvement in the criminal in
this criminal behavior. But so from what you're saying, it's
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not something that the government's sort of forging ahead with
to look at right now. It's more something that will
be part of that review. So by the end of
the year.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, yeah, so it is part of the review we
need to We've obviously only got I think about nine
days of sitting stays left of this parliament anyway, but
we do need to have a really good look at
the legislation. And that's the good thing when you have
another state that's done the legislation, you can then use
that legislation to draft your own lines.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It certainly pushing a head quite quickly though, they're pushing
a head quite quickly to do it. The government whyran't
you guys?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So it's telling me that all around Australia. And I
heard the Children's Commissioner and the Children's Commissioner on on
in the media over the weekend. So this is an
issue around young people across Australia. It's not just an
issue in the Northern territory. So New South Wales have
forged ahead with that. That's what sometimes you know there's
a state that takes the lead. I think at other
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states WA South Australia will all look at that legislation
just like we will, and well if it's something that
makes a difference, will absolutely But.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So no rushing with this whatsoever, by the sounds of
it or no push to try and get it done
as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, as I said, you know, we could do that,
but as I think, we need to have a look
at it and see how it goes in New South Wales.
And that's what often with legislation, new legislation, there's the
opportunity when some a big state, much bigger state than us,
they have much more resources, can give it a go
and we can have a look. So we've got the
Youth Justice Review in place, that'll be a great place
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to be able to have a look at it and
see if it's worthwhile. I think the New South Wales legislation,
the second part of it was around it's only legislation
that they're put in place for twelve months and legs
getting a trial, Yes, can dissolve us.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Then well as I said, yeah, but the community screaming
out at the moment, why not sort of look at
it and go let's let's give it a go for
twelve months and see if it works.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, we can do that. We can definitely look at
those those options. But at this stage it'll go through
the Youth Justice Review and that's where the experts will
have a look at it and provide advice as well.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But but that's not.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Till the end of the year, though, is a chief minust.
I just want to make it really clear for ours
So the.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Review, the review is going across the election cycle. We
said it can be bipartisan. We don't didn't necessarily want
to make it political, as I said, if the CP
want to be a part of that, but there'll be
things that can be enacted before that if need be.
But you know, New South Wales, let's have a look
at what New South Wales are doing. Let's see how
it goes over the next few months, and we can
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do the same.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I guess, you know, from a real observer perspective, if
I look at what Chris Men's is doing, and you've
got he does have you know, criminal lawyers and and
and you know, so other advocacy groups sort of saying
to him, no, this isn't the right move to make.
But I guess many would say he's shines some real
bravery in gone. Do you know what, despite that, despite
people saying this might not be the right move, I'm
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prepared to try this because the community is screaming out
for it. Why don't you do the same.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
New South Wales can try it and let's have a
look at how it goes, Katie. As I said, they're
a big jurisdiction. They've got a hell of a lot
more finances behind them. There's a whole heap of things
that they can do. Let's have a look at see
how it goes. Often that happens with legislation. We don't
necessarily always lead in the territory around legislation. We'll see
how it goes and we can do the same if necessary.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
All right, I want to ask you about the situation
with our correctional facilities. We spoke on the show on
Friday about our correctional facilities being at capacity. First off,
can I ask when's the new youth detention center opening.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The one in the well, the new doc je don Dale,
the one in Darn will be open in July July. Yeah,
so that will be open in July and will be
a grade asset, a grade asset for us to have
those additional rooms and additional space, but also an amazing
new facility.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now in adult correctional facilities. The Police Minister last week
flag new modulars coming online. I believe that you also
spoke about it during Parliament as well. Where are they
going to be?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So there's ninety six that are going to be in
Alice Springs, so ninety six in Alice Springs, sixty four
in Darwin as well. So these modular facilities, I think
we've had conversations, have been built by the New South
Wales Industrial Services that are attached to their prison system
in Alice Springs. At the moment they're doing the headworks there,
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so I think it as build or has got the
contract to put in the plumbing, the sewerage power, all
of those sorts of things, and the modular facilities are
already on site. They'll be lifted over the fence and
put in place and we hope to have those in
place as soon as possible. So I met with Matthew Varley,
the Commissioner of Corrections last week as we know, and
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I think erin early spoke to you on Friday saying
that the our prisons are full, that's a fact, they
are full, so that ninety six will be a great
benefit Nalla Springs. Also in Darwin, similar the modular facilities
will be at Holtz Prison there too.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So ninety six beds in Alice Springs sixty four beds
in Darwin.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
We've also got some We're also looking at some of
the work around Barkley, so the barkleyk work camp and
additional ten beds in there. And Jattler, which is out
at Nulmboyo recently was out there another six beds. So
that through some rejigging and some additional putting some additional
spaces in that've been able to increase at the work camps.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And so when did you say that you reckon they'll
be operational, because I suppose the concern right now is
that a lot of those prisoners are being held in
the watchhouses.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
They're being held in watchhouses, which isn't ideal for police.
It's not ideal at all. So Alice Springs, we're hoping
to have those in place, probably by June, but the
sooner the better.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And Andrew Kirkman.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
From Dipple, the CEO of Dipple, knows that we want
to get them in place, and he knows they have
to be in place as soon as possible. So Alice
Springs will be hopefully in coming months.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Darwin.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm not sure on the exact date on Darwin. But
again we're pushing to have all of those done as
quickly as possible. The same with the work camps, but
they will provide some relief to having prisoners in cells.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, and look, I hope that it means as well
that you know, less stress on the police. I know
the corrections facilities are absolutely choc a block, which is
you know, which is how it is. I suppose when
there's people being arrested. I do want to move along though,
because I know that the Northern Territory government today making
an announcement about well about cost of living, but it's
around the end to motor Accidents compensation so MAC as
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it's commonly known, and the vehicle registration from July. Just
talk us through exactly what's happening today.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's Okatie. Yeah, cost of living besides crime.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Cost of living is probably the next big issue that
I am off have conversations with territories about. So we're
really going to we're going to keep down the So
I think with motor vehicle registry people understand there's two
components to it. There's the MAC component as well as
then the Dipple actual regio component, and we're going to
make sure that we keep the regio prices down to
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about only about one percent for the next financial year.
So the MAC the MAC section is we're going to
keep that's not increase it at all. So usually they
go up by CPI and last year we went up
about two point seven percent, even though inflation was much
higher than that, we only indexed at two point seven percent.
This year, we're going to say that motor vehicle registry
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prices will keep them stationary the MAC component, which means
that if you have a small car, your red ol
go up by about seven dollars and if you have
a full drive ut'll increase by about nine dollars. So
really keeping those regio prices down. People will remember in
the past sometimes you see those regio is going up
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fifty sixty.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Dollars or so it has an impact.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So yeah, so we're going to cost us probably about
two or three million dollars, but it's there's not a
lot of leavers we can pull around cost of living obviously,
the one around power that we've done on the back
to school vouch that we've done as well, So it
is really trying to keep motor vehicle registry registration prices
down for territories Chief Minister.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
A couple of really quick listener questions. There's one here
about the shift ship lift. Where is the work at
on the shiplift facility? I know that the NT News
had reported that some land set aside for the Northern
Territory shiplift project is still under private ownership more than
two years after negotiations for a land swap commence. Just
Augus through where's the shiplift?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So we'll have an announcement this week with the shiplift,
So some really good news. So, yes, there was ongoing
negotiations with Pasbailey, who are also the operator of the
ship lift. You know that's when you have big, big
projects like this, there's negotiations and those negotiations have been
depleted and so Cloff BMD have got the contract for construction.
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There'll be some quite substantial tenders going out around subcontractors
and working on the on the shiplift, but there'll be
I think I'm going to go and do some media
probably later in.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The week around that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So Lork, what was the hold up with that land?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So, I mean that was just one part of it,
but the land is held by pass Bailey so it
was around you negotiations around that, but that's some commercial
and confidence. I can't go into the details, Katie, but
it was around the land, but that wasn't the you know,
we have been having ongoing negotiations around and the design work,
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working with Cloff BMD. So it's a huge project, five
hundred and fifteen million dollar project. There's been conversations with
Defense as well with Australian Border Force, so there's been
a lot of a lot of work to get to
this position where we're ready to start work there.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Chief Minister. One that's come through, I'm assuming from a
business owner business broke ins, break ins. What is a
Northern Territory government doing to support business owners like Jason
Hanna who was targeted on several occasions last week.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I actually ran into Jason on the weekend and had
a brief conversation with him around that. So, yes, we've
got secure which is one that I know Jason's used
in the past. You know, the issue around fire exits
continues to be one that I've had conversations with Brent
Potter around is there some other solution around that? But yeah,
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it is part of the whole package of the work
that we'll do with police around the police review, looking
at having more vans on the road, more police on
the beat. So that will be part of the review
around increasing the numbers of police.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
When are you expecting that final review back?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I get the report.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'll get the report this week and we'll be able
to go to cabinet, but we'll be able to then
brief and do announcements in coming weeks on that.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
The sooner the better really from my point of.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
View, Yeah, I agree with you. I think the whole
community will feel exactly the same. You've had a look
at the interim report already, haven't the.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Interim report about probably six weeks ago and sat down
with Vince Kelly and I mean it was and discussions
with him around the directions that he thought it needed
to go in, so talking about police numbers and a
range of issues that police are encountering in the Northern Territory.
And he's then going to work well, he's obviously worked
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with his team to finalize that report. I think he's
done literally thousands of interviews across the territory, has been
out remote, he's been urban and provided some really good
there's some really good conversations I've had with him around
the issues that police facing the territory.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
What how low are we on police numbers?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, that the issue with police numbers is, as said,
continues to be the number of police that are on
workers comp or sickly. That continues to be a number
of about I think one hundred and eighty two hundred.
But our police numbers we've since we've come to government,
we've put on an extra two hundred and fifty police.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
You know the story around Pally's.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I know that's caused some angst in the community in
our springs, but that's also a mechanism to have a
pathway for the palis to become constable. So it's an
innovative way to get more police on the beat. We
know the palies aren't working on Mondays and tuesdays. They
don't start work till three o'clock. So being able to
convert them from a sixteen week pally course to be
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able to do then another sixteen week to become a
constable is a good thing because they can on those
days when they're not required and the bottle shops they
can do antisocial behavior work, they can do the safety work,
so Yeah, so we're always looking at ways to increase
police numbers.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Look, I know we weren't planning on talking about this,
and I know you're very pressed for time, as am
I Warwick. And Catherine's called through to say that he's
heard seventeen police have resigned from Catherine? Is that the
case he reckons there's no palis there as well? It's
something that's obviously concerned for people.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh, look, I have to check with Brent or the
Police Commission around that. That's the first I've heard that
there's resignations, and I know the Police magazine.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
You can read the resignations.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In the Police magazine each month. But I'd have to
check with brand or the Police Commission around that. I
haven't heard that.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I mean, what do you say to the people of
Alla Springs at the moment that are literally screaming out
saying we want those palies back on the bottle shops.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So my understanding is that there are palies on the
bottle shop So there are I think last week in
Parliament I heard there was eight and seven every day
there were palis on bottle shops and so there are
palies there. It is a matter though of sometimes where there. Yeah,
they rotate them around and if there's a low risk
time period, they manage that. So it's managing their resources.
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But the issue has been that they have had trouble
recruiting to Palies, so the people haven't been putting up
their hand to be Palis. Obviously it's work that you're
standing in front of a bottle shop for your whole shift,
and at times you can copy abuse all those sorts
of things. So this is the conversion to the to
be a constable was something that the Palies wanted to
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have in place. It gives them an opportunity to move
into being a fully fledged constable. So it was a
way of managing the HR issues around Palis.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So you want to people though they're sort of saying
like they understand that. I guess people are quite understanding
of that, making sure that there is that pathway for Palis.
But then you've got you know, the IGA's For example,
we've spoken to Peter Holden last Monday on the show
that ended up having to shut down because they'd had
two staff members assaulted. So to those in Alice Springs
that are screaming out right now, going we need help,
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we want them back.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, so please know that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And police that's an issue for them around managing their
resources so they have things in place, so they have
the police vans that are moving between places or managing
the risk around that. But there are palies. There absolutely
are palies in Alice Springs.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Chief Minister, we better leave it there. Thank you, as
always for your time. Appreciated.
Now, last week, as we know, there were killed kids
assaulted while at school. A thirteen year old allegedly assaulted
four kids at O'lachland Catholic College. Their school principal has
spoken to the Northern Territory News. Now joining us in
the studio this morning is the Chief Minister of the
Northern Territory Evil All. A good morning to you, Katie.
Thanks so much for your time this morning now, Chief Minister.
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The principal of the school has spoken to the NT
News and it's apparently one of three incidents that the
school has faced. What are you doing to support the
school is who is obviously having to deal with violent
offenders who've got nothing to do with them getting on
the grounds.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it's a Catholic school, so it's a non government school.
So the Northern Territory Government obviously registered non government schools
and we have a registrar of non government school so
we're sort of at a bit of an arms length
around a government school. But I know the local member
Naria kids been having conversations with some of the parents
from O'lochland there, but Yekland.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I think it's a great school. I was there.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I think when I was Education Minister, probably in about
September October last year, saw some really good programs happening
at that school. So I think they've referred to about
three incidents is where they've had people coming on or
kids coming onto the ground. And I presume that's around
some issues that are outside of the school boundary that
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then get brought into the school boundary. So I'm sure
Lachlan will put measures in place. Schools have very strong
processes around code, like a code read where you have
somebody come onto the school grounds and often schools will
practice those just like fire drills. They'll practice those sorts
of drills, so it will be that the kids stay
inside and they locked the doors and things like that.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, look, we spoke to Catholic Education last week. They
went through their response, which does sound it was very
you know, they were very quick and comprehensive to respond.
But people are really asking the question at the moment
does the government have a duty of care here to
keep territory kids safe. I mean, when you've got someone
jumping the fence who allegedly had an ankle bracelet on
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and punching kids that are at school doing the right thing.
Where's the duty of care from the Northern Territory government
to keep those kids safe? Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, well, there's absolute duties of care for the school.
So the school has a duty of care out in.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Terms of somebody jumping the fence who's engaged in criminal behavior,
were engaging then in what would be deemed as criminal behavior.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so the school would have rung the police and
then the police can obviously if it's a school, they
would prioritize that as a call out and head there
and then arrest that child and that the parents would
obviously become involved, but depending on the age of the
young person, they would be charged with assault.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Do you have any idea if that child has been
charged with the salt?
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I don't have the details.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
As I said, you know, the Education Ministru I'm sure
does around that one and probably would have had contact
through the Register of Non Government Schools, which is the
that of the Education Department that looks after Catholic education.
When I was the minister, I used to meet regularly
with Paul Grieves, who's the CEO of Catholic Education. I'm
sure Mark Monahan would do the same. But yeah, nobody
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wants to see schools becoming places that are unsafe, and
as I said, if it was, you know, it's about
addressing the issue why who's involved, What's what's going on
with that child? Who are they, what's the problem, what's
the basis for the.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, why on earth is somebody jumping into the school
grounds and assaulting kids? You know, parents like parents should
not have to worry about that. And it goes to
sort of the heart of one of the issues that
a lot of people are worried about at the moment,
Chief Minister, because it's not dealing with it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
But was it targeting a child? So was it a
you know, something that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Had come off from outside of the school, football, basketball,
some other sport and you're coming into well, it's then
you know that one child rather than that it's not
a random it was more about targeting And as I said,
I don't have the facts on that, but yet whatever
it is is the schools have school most schools now
have fences. I'm sure o'lachlan has fencing as well, so
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they do have strategies in place. I think if you
go into a school you'll know you have to sign in,
so they have very firm measures in place to keep
the people who aren't school members out well.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And yeah, look, I know a lot of people listening
this morning though, are going to be thinking to themselves
like it sort of sounds like it's like it's excuses,
when fundamentally the concern is that parents are worried that
they can't actually send their kids to school without them
being safe, not because the school's not protecting them, but
because you've got kids that are breaking the law.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, it's Okadie.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
The school schools go very out of their way to
make sure every child is safe at school, and I'm
sure o'lachlan has those measures in place if there is
on occasion somebody who's doing the wrong thing, straight away
they put in place a process which is a lockdown
and call police, and they did that in that instance,
so you know, that's that's what you have to do
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around those incidences.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
But I spend too much time with this, but I
know that I know right now there's going to be
parents listening going Katie. The Chief Minister is answering this
question like it's the school's fault or the school's issue
to deal with, when it's actually the issue of youths
that aren't doing the right thing that should be at school.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
So again Katie, then they call the police. You know
that the school puts in place measures and they have
to have measures in place to keep their students safe.
But you know, a random you can't in all the
history of a Lachland college there you know three you know,
it's like a random act and of course that child
will be or that young person then will be the
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issue will be addressed around that. So but the school
has to have things in place, but it is it
is like any high school. There at times where there
are other students that come into the school for whatever reason,
and often it is around a fight or a payback
of some sort around a fight, and the school has
to deal with that and through the police they deal
with that. But you know, I don't know, I'm not
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sure what you think should be done because I guess it's.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
More an issue. It's not actually the school that I
suppose I'm asking the question about. It's more what the
government is doing. You know. Over the last few weeks
we've had a situation where we've had a lot of
different incidents throughout the day where there is kids that
should be at school, who aren't at school, who are
actually committing offenses. You know, we spoke about it Casuarina.
We spoke about it in the CBD just a couple
of weeks ago. And now you know, I guess the
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culmination of this then, is seeing something like this happen
at a school.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
It's o Katie.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
There are many things in place around young people who
should be at school, and that's around re engagement center.
So there is the Malac re Engagement Center, for example,
where Northern Suburbs kids who aren't attending school, if they're
identified through territory families, they get the support to go
to that place re engagement center. We've got a re
engagement center in Palmston as well. We've also got the
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School Center in Palmston the kids who are disengaged from
mainstream schooling. So there are things that are put in
place around that. Also the work of territory families around
those kids. So yeah, every child should be at school
every day. If they're not, then it comes down to
either the police or territory families and then those wrap
around services to make sure that we get those kids
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back on the right track.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
All right, let's move along. Last week, the Northern Territory
Government announced sites for three of the four new residential
youth justice facilities that have been selected in Darwin, Tenant
Creek and Alice Springs. Some are still asking questions about
how they're going to keep young people off the streets,
Chief Minister, how exactly are they going to work?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So yes, So the sites that we're announced, we're you're
a house which is between Darwin and Palmerston. Then there
will be about placement of about sixteen.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
There.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
There will be a facility at Gap Road which was
a placement for about eight and then Juno in Tenant
Creek which is a placement.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
For around eight as well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Juno will be there as an intram measure, but longer
term we're building that bail facility also not far from
Duno in Tenant Creek as well. So and then there's
a fourth one that's planned for Catherine. So these residential
youth forcil is will provide more options for the courts
for bail or sensing young people under It'll be a
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structured supervised environment, so it'll be run by territory families.
So we've seen in the past where it's been an NGO,
but there will be territory family staff, There'll be education staff.
There has already been education and territory family staff who've
put up their hand to be a part of this,
that want to be in it, involved with it. So
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the idea is that it will provide this. It will
be a stable environment. It's not detention, but it's a
stable environment for the young people. So, for example, a
young person may be identified through territory families where their
family situation is such that they're not thriving in that environment.
They can be placed in a youth a residential youth
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justice facility, or it can provide options for the courts.
And so we hope to be able to gazette not
hope to, but we will gazete these locations as soon
as possible.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
So then the ju so the judiciary will have a choice.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
So instead of going, you know, don Dale, the resident
a youth justice facility is like the end of the line.
There will be a place before that where the young
people can go. It will be education, vocational education. There
will be opportunities for an assessment to get them onto
ndies if they need that. But basically it's alright, it's
turning their lives around Hope, you know, that's the drive
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and the focus of so that they don't end up
in don Dale. So it's a bit of a continuum,
you know, and it provides hopefully the judiciary an option
when instead of just saying okay, you're on bail, an
ankle bracelet and you're back home, it's an option for
these kids to have a much more structured environment.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So managed by territory family. How are the youth going
to be forced to stay there?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So at this initial stage it is around a gazettel
and so it will be that that's where they need
to stay. And if they breach that, well then obviously
it'll be a breach of bail. And if it's a
breach of bail, and then they'll go before the courts
and of course then if they go before the courts,
they might find themselves then in don Dale. So it
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is a deterrent really around Yeah, if they leave there,
they're in bigger trouble basically, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So that's how they will be forced to stay in there,
is that it will be treated as a breach of bars.
It will be Now in New South Wales they're amending
the Bail Act at the moment. The new South Wales
government's amending their Bail Act to include a temporary addition
bail test for young people between fourteen and eighteen charge
with committing certain serious break and enter offenses or motor
vehicle theft offenses while on bail for the same offenses.
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So essentially it means that a bail authority such as police,
magistrates and judges will need to have a high degree
of confidence that the young person's not going to commit
further serious offenses while on bail. They say the approach
is targeted and measured. It's a targeted and measured change
that is designed to stop specific offending behavior by certain
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young people who repeatedly engage in series breaking into and
motor vehicle theft offenses. Are you prepared to look at
doing something like this Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I'm obviously not a TikTok user, but you know, obviously
hear about it, and so it is this boasting around
their criminal behavior and there's a whole group of young
people who do it for the thrill and post on
social media. So yes, I've had a bit of a
look at the new South Wales legislation.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
We've got the Youth Justice Review.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I announced the panel for that Youth Justice Review last
week and definitely it's something I think, you know, New
South Wales is leading the charge on round this and
I think we'll see other states then implement it because
it's you and I do. They always often talk about
the anulogy of squeezing the balloon. You know, it's another
thing that police are having to do or the community
is having to do to.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Tighten up around crime.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Because yeah, it's just a new thing that a lot
relatively new that young people, mostly young people are doing.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Just so they've got two parts of this though in
New South Wales, you know, part of it is that
boasting and posting or posting and boasting, and so essentially
what they're going to do is there's going to be
a penalty of two years imprisonment for people who commit
motor vehicle theft or break and enter offenses and share
that material to advertise their involvement in the criminal in
this criminal behavior. But so from what you're saying, it's
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not something that the government's sort of forging ahead with
to look at right now. It's more something that will
be part of that review. So by the end of
the year.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, yeah, so it is part of the review we
need to We've obviously only got I think about nine
days of sitting stays left of this parliament anyway, but
we do need to have a really good look at
the legislation. And that's the good thing when you have
another state that's done the legislation, you can then use
that legislation to draft your own lines.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It certainly pushing a head quite quickly though, they're pushing
a head quite quickly to do it. The government whyran't
you guys?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
So it's telling me that all around Australia. And I
heard the Children's Commissioner and the Children's Commissioner on on
in the media over the weekend. So this is an
issue around young people across Australia. It's not just an
issue in the Northern territory. So New South Wales have
forged ahead with that. That's what sometimes you know there's
a state that takes the lead. I think at other
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states WA South Australia will all look at that legislation
just like we will, and well if it's something that
makes a difference, will absolutely But.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So no rushing with this whatsoever, by the sounds of
it or no push to try and get it done
as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well, as I said, you know, we could do that,
but as I think, we need to have a look
at it and see how it goes in New South Wales.
And that's what often with legislation, new legislation, there's the
opportunity when some a big state, much bigger state than us,
they have much more resources, can give it a go
and we can have a look. So we've got the
Youth Justice Review in place, that'll be a great place
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to be able to have a look at it and
see if it's worthwhile. I think the New South Wales legislation,
the second part of it was around it's only legislation
that they're put in place for twelve months and legs
getting a trial, Yes, can dissolve us.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Then well as I said, yeah, but the community screaming
out at the moment, why not sort of look at
it and go let's let's give it a go for
twelve months and see if it works.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, we can do that. We can definitely look at
those those options. But at this stage it'll go through
the Youth Justice Review and that's where the experts will
have a look at it and provide advice as well.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
But but that's not.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Till the end of the year, though, is a chief minust.
I just want to make it really clear for ours
So the.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Review, the review is going across the election cycle. We
said it can be bipartisan. We don't didn't necessarily want
to make it political, as I said, if the CP
want to be a part of that, but there'll be
things that can be enacted before that if need be.
But you know, New South Wales, let's have a look
at what New South Wales are doing. Let's see how
it goes over the next few months, and we can
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do the same.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I guess, you know, from a real observer perspective, if
I look at what Chris Men's is doing, and you've
got he does have you know, criminal lawyers and and
and you know, so other advocacy groups sort of saying
to him, no, this isn't the right move to make.
But I guess many would say he's shines some real
bravery in gone. Do you know what, despite that, despite
people saying this might not be the right move, I'm
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prepared to try this because the community is screaming out
for it. Why don't you do the same.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So that's it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
New South Wales can try it and let's have a
look at how it goes, Katie. As I said, they're
a big jurisdiction. They've got a hell of a lot
more finances behind them. There's a whole heap of things
that they can do. Let's have a look at see
how it goes. Often that happens with legislation. We don't
necessarily always lead in the territory around legislation. We'll see
how it goes and we can do the same if necessary.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
All right, I want to ask you about the situation
with our correctional facilities. We spoke on the show on
Friday about our correctional facilities being at capacity. First off,
can I ask when's the new youth detention center opening.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The one in the well, the new doc je don Dale,
the one in Darn will be open in July July. Yeah,
so that will be open in July and will be
a grade asset, a grade asset for us to have
those additional rooms and additional space, but also an amazing
new facility.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now in adult correctional facilities. The Police Minister last week
flag new modulars coming online. I believe that you also
spoke about it during Parliament as well. Where are they
going to be?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So there's ninety six that are going to be in
Alice Springs, so ninety six in Alice Springs, sixty four
in Darwin as well. So these modular facilities, I think
we've had conversations, have been built by the New South
Wales Industrial Services that are attached to their prison system
in Alice Springs. At the moment they're doing the headworks there,
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so I think it as build or has got the
contract to put in the plumbing, the sewerage power, all
of those sorts of things, and the modular facilities are
already on site. They'll be lifted over the fence and
put in place and we hope to have those in
place as soon as possible. So I met with Matthew Varley,
the Commissioner of Corrections last week as we know, and
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I think erin early spoke to you on Friday saying
that the our prisons are full, that's a fact, they
are full, so that ninety six will be a great
benefit Nalla Springs. Also in Darwin, similar the modular facilities
will be at Holtz Prison there too.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
So ninety six beds in Alice Springs sixty four beds
in Darwin.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
We've also got some We're also looking at some of
the work around Barkley, so the barkleyk work camp and
additional ten beds in there. And Jattler, which is out
at Nulmboyo recently was out there another six beds. So
that through some rejigging and some additional putting some additional
spaces in that've been able to increase at the work camps.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
And so when did you say that you reckon they'll
be operational, because I suppose the concern right now is
that a lot of those prisoners are being held in
the watchhouses.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
They're being held in watchhouses, which isn't ideal for police.
It's not ideal at all. So Alice Springs, we're hoping
to have those in place, probably by June, but the
sooner the better.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And Andrew Kirkman.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
From Dipple, the CEO of Dipple, knows that we want
to get them in place, and he knows they have
to be in place as soon as possible. So Alice
Springs will be hopefully in coming months.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Darwin.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I'm not sure on the exact date on Darwin. But
again we're pushing to have all of those done as
quickly as possible. The same with the work camps, but
they will provide some relief to having prisoners in cells.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, and look, I hope that it means as well
that you know, less stress on the police. I know
the corrections facilities are absolutely choc a block, which is
you know, which is how it is. I suppose when
there's people being arrested. I do want to move along though,
because I know that the Northern Territory government today making
an announcement about well about cost of living, but it's
around the end to motor Accidents compensation so MAC as
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it's commonly known, and the vehicle registration from July. Just
talk us through exactly what's happening today.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's Okatie. Yeah, cost of living besides crime.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Cost of living is probably the next big issue that
I am off have conversations with territories about. So we're
really going to we're going to keep down the So
I think with motor vehicle registry people understand there's two
components to it. There's the MAC component as well as
then the Dipple actual regio component, and we're going to
make sure that we keep the regio prices down to
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about only about one percent for the next financial year.
So the MAC the MAC section is we're going to
keep that's not increase it at all. So usually they
go up by CPI and last year we went up
about two point seven percent, even though inflation was much
higher than that, we only indexed at two point seven percent.
This year, we're going to say that motor vehicle registry
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prices will keep them stationary the MAC component, which means
that if you have a small car, your red ol
go up by about seven dollars and if you have
a full drive ut'll increase by about nine dollars. So
really keeping those regio prices down. People will remember in
the past sometimes you see those regio is going up
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fifty sixty.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Dollars or so it has an impact.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
So yeah, so we're going to cost us probably about
two or three million dollars, but it's there's not a
lot of leavers we can pull around cost of living obviously,
the one around power that we've done on the back
to school vouch that we've done as well, So it
is really trying to keep motor vehicle registry registration prices
down for territories Chief Minister.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
A couple of really quick listener questions. There's one here
about the shift ship lift. Where is the work at
on the shiplift facility? I know that the NT News
had reported that some land set aside for the Northern
Territory shiplift project is still under private ownership more than
two years after negotiations for a land swap commence. Just
Augus through where's the shiplift?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So we'll have an announcement this week with the shiplift,
So some really good news. So, yes, there was ongoing
negotiations with Pasbailey, who are also the operator of the
ship lift. You know that's when you have big, big
projects like this, there's negotiations and those negotiations have been
depleted and so Cloff BMD have got the contract for construction.
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There'll be some quite substantial tenders going out around subcontractors
and working on the on the shiplift, but there'll be
I think I'm going to go and do some media
probably later in.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The week around that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
So Lork, what was the hold up with that land?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
So, I mean that was just one part of it,
but the land is held by pass Bailey so it
was around you negotiations around that, but that's some commercial
and confidence. I can't go into the details, Katie, but
it was around the land, but that wasn't the you know,
we have been having ongoing negotiations around and the design work,
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working with Cloff BMD. So it's a huge project, five
hundred and fifteen million dollar project. There's been conversations with
Defense as well with Australian Border Force, so there's been
a lot of a lot of work to get to
this position where we're ready to start work there.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Chief Minister. One that's come through, I'm assuming from a
business owner business broke ins, break ins. What is a
Northern Territory government doing to support business owners like Jason
Hanna who was targeted on several occasions last week.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I actually ran into Jason on the weekend and had
a brief conversation with him around that. So, yes, we've
got secure which is one that I know Jason's used
in the past. You know, the issue around fire exits
continues to be one that I've had conversations with Brent
Potter around is there some other solution around that? But yeah,
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it is part of the whole package of the work
that we'll do with police around the police review, looking
at having more vans on the road, more police on
the beat. So that will be part of the review
around increasing the numbers of police.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
When are you expecting that final review back?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I get the report.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'll get the report this week and we'll be able
to go to cabinet, but we'll be able to then
brief and do announcements in coming weeks on that.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
The sooner the better really from my point of.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
View, Yeah, I agree with you. I think the whole
community will feel exactly the same. You've had a look
at the interim report already, haven't the.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Interim report about probably six weeks ago and sat down
with Vince Kelly and I mean it was and discussions
with him around the directions that he thought it needed
to go in, so talking about police numbers and a
range of issues that police are encountering in the Northern Territory.
And he's then going to work well, he's obviously worked
(23:18):
with his team to finalize that report. I think he's
done literally thousands of interviews across the territory, has been
out remote, he's been urban and provided some really good
there's some really good conversations I've had with him around
the issues that police facing the territory.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
What how low are we on police numbers?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, that the issue with police numbers is, as said,
continues to be the number of police that are on
workers comp or sickly. That continues to be a number
of about I think one hundred and eighty two hundred.
But our police numbers we've since we've come to government,
we've put on an extra two hundred and fifty police.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
You know the story around Pally's.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I know that's caused some angst in the community in
our springs, but that's also a mechanism to have a
pathway for the palis to become constable. So it's an
innovative way to get more police on the beat. We
know the palies aren't working on Mondays and tuesdays. They
don't start work till three o'clock. So being able to
convert them from a sixteen week pally course to be
(24:17):
able to do then another sixteen week to become a
constable is a good thing because they can on those
days when they're not required and the bottle shops they
can do antisocial behavior work, they can do the safety work,
so Yeah, so we're always looking at ways to increase
police numbers.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Look, I know we weren't planning on talking about this,
and I know you're very pressed for time, as am
I Warwick. And Catherine's called through to say that he's
heard seventeen police have resigned from Catherine? Is that the
case he reckons there's no palis there as well? It's
something that's obviously concerned for people.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Oh, look, I have to check with Brent or the
Police Commission around that. That's the first I've heard that
there's resignations, and I know the Police magazine.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
You can read the resignations.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In the Police magazine each month. But I'd have to
check with brand or the Police Commission around that. I
haven't heard that.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I mean, what do you say to the people of
Alla Springs at the moment that are literally screaming out
saying we want those palies back on the bottle shops.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
So my understanding is that there are palies on the
bottle shop So there are I think last week in
Parliament I heard there was eight and seven every day
there were palis on bottle shops and so there are
palies there. It is a matter though of sometimes where there. Yeah,
they rotate them around and if there's a low risk
time period, they manage that. So it's managing their resources.
(25:31):
But the issue has been that they have had trouble
recruiting to Palies, so the people haven't been putting up
their hand to be Palis. Obviously it's work that you're
standing in front of a bottle shop for your whole shift,
and at times you can copy abuse all those sorts
of things. So this is the conversion to the to
be a constable was something that the Palies wanted to
(25:54):
have in place. It gives them an opportunity to move
into being a fully fledged constable. So it was a
way of managing the HR issues around Palis.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So you want to people though they're sort of saying
like they understand that. I guess people are quite understanding
of that, making sure that there is that pathway for Palis.
But then you've got you know, the IGA's For example,
we've spoken to Peter Holden last Monday on the show
that ended up having to shut down because they'd had
two staff members assaulted. So to those in Alice Springs
that are screaming out right now, going we need help,
(26:24):
we want them back.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah, so please know that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And police that's an issue for them around managing their
resources so they have things in place, so they have
the police vans that are moving between places or managing
the risk around that. But there are palies. There absolutely
are palies in Alice Springs.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Chief Minister, we better leave it there. Thank you, as
always for your time. Appreciated.
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