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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joining me on the line right now is the Member
for Lynciari, the Labor Member for Lyniari, Marion Scrimjaw.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good morning, Marion, Good morning, Katie.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh, not too bad?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Marian? The scenes out of all right is that you
don't have to go back in.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
No, you're all good yet, Marian.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Have you spoken to the Prime Minister this morning about
the scenes out of Alice.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Look, there's a lot of discussion happening down here at
the moment, Katie, but also with the Northern Territory government.
So I've had a number of you know, I've had
a quite a long discussion with the Chief Minister and
also with the Commissioner for Police in the Northern Territory.
(00:46):
I'm going to meet with the Attorney General because I'm
going to see if he can also have a discussion
with the Commissioner for Police in the Northern Territory so
that we can have a look at what's the idiot,
what do we need to do and what work does
the federal government need to do. So sending in anyone
(01:08):
from the federal government will require, you know, police plus
an organ territory government to agree to that. So the
Attorney General is going to we'll have a discussion and
then he'll talk to the Commissioner for Police in the
Northern Territory.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Marian, do you think there needs to be Look, Katie,
do you think there needs to be extra police coming in,
either federal police or the army, or police from another jurisdiction.
I mean, the Chief Minister said.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
We've got to do something, Katie. Well, you know the footage,
and all of us have seen the footage. But I've
been talking to people on the ground and the despair
that I've heard in people's voices, and when you look
at what's been happening, enough's enough and we've got to stop.
Because the violence isn't just you know, breaking windows and
(02:03):
vehicles and stuff. There's a lot of violence happening Aboriginal
on Aboriginal and young people are getting seriously hurt here.
And I think anyone saying that it's paidback and that
that's okay, No, it's not. It is. It is violent,
and it's and people. It's criminal behavior and something needs
(02:24):
to be done.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So federal police, Marion, I mean, the ads what needs
to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I can't I can't commit to that, Katie. But look,
I will have a discussion with Mark Drefus, who's the
federal Attorney General, who I know wants to have a
discussion with the Commissioner for Police in the Northern Territory.
I think it does need extra resources. I think that
(02:51):
we also need the support of the AFP in terms
of some of the intelligence that needs to happen, particularly
in and around Springs, because I think that these other
So when we're talking about these young people and what's
happening in the level of violence, Katie, I'm going to
go out on it. You know, people aren't drinking here.
(03:11):
It's not alcohol. I think there are there is something
more sinister happening here. And I'm quite frankly, I'm sick
of people saying that it's fas D and that these
kids are you know that these problems amongst these kids.
Everyone should be working towards making Alice Springs safe, and
(03:34):
that includes a lot of organizations that are funded by
the federal government. People need to step up here, and
we need to get some accountability across the board. But
I think in the first instance, Katie, we've got to
make LUs safe. People are feeling unsafe, and when you
(03:55):
look at the footage and what happened. I've never heard
such despair or you know, the voices of people ringing
me yesterday and last night and saying we need help.
You know, we don't feel safe in this town. And
I'm not talking about people like me who have only
just been in the town for two years or three years.
(04:18):
This is long term residents, people who have invested in
the town, who come from the town, who have spent
all of their working life and invested in Alice Springs.
Enough's enough, and you know, I will give Eva whatever
support because I think Eva's inherited this. She is trying
(04:39):
to She is trying to do the best for Alice Springs,
and I'm not making excuses for her, Katie Nice, but
there are people who should have been held accountable and
decisions should have been made previously by the Anti government
to deal with this issue, because this has been something
that's been coming for some time and now we've got
(05:01):
to clean up the mess. And I feel for either
because she's got to clean up the mets and I
think she's trying to do the right thing, and federally,
we need to do everything we can to work with
her to try and do that I.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Mean, she'd said to us on the show though just
a short time ago, that she's not prepared to call
in the Federal Police or the adf for to get
that additional support.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So are you going to circumvent her if required?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Look, I'm going to have a I'm going to have
another discussion with her, because I think what everyone's in
fear here, Katie is everyone has this you know, everyone's
been traumatized, and everyone has this fear of We've already
had one Commonwealth intervention and some of the issues that
we're saying is whilst we've had the federal government to
(05:48):
intervene prevacy in the Northern Territory, it targeted the wrong people.
And I think you know, it's not the problems not
out in remote communities. The problem was all is going
to be the rivers of grog and the lack of
accountability in our urban centers. And that's what should have
(06:09):
been targeted previously, not remote communities because people were doing
the right thing as and there was already restrictions in
our remote communities. It's it's our urban centers where people
have gravitated from remote communities into the town centers because
it means that they can go about, you know, doing
(06:32):
this destructive behavior create you know, doing and creating problems
not just for themselves but for the wider community. You know,
the anti social behavior that we see on the streets
in Darwin, Catherine tennantanallis and I think that's where people,
you know, there is this stigma attached that if you
(06:53):
get the federal government to come in, then you know,
it's another intervention. I listened to Matt Patterson this morning,
and I spoke to Matt and I'll ring him back
as he said, anti labor and the opposition. Everyone needs
to stop getting, you know, trying to make politics out
(07:14):
of this. There are some serious issues facing the Northern
territory and we all need to put our politics to
one side and do what's best for the territory. You
are sport, you know this side's say, you know, tougher,
and that side Niasanocchiaro should be reaching out to Eva
and saying, how do we together call on the federal
(07:37):
government to put the resources not just in Alla Springs.
You know, we saw the cross isolence in Kasrum. We
see it in Darwin all the time. Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know, well Marion, it is absolute bullshit what we
are dealing with at the moment in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'll be very blunt about it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Our poor Northern Territory police are run off their feet.
We have had crime increase over the last you know,
over the last few years, it's tripled the resources that
we've got for our Northern Territory police.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We don't have enough, Like, we don't have enough.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Police to be able to deal with the levels of
crime that we've got. So that's where I don't understand
why it's not embarrassing for the Northern Territory government. It's
not embarrassing for anybody to just ask for a bit
of help right now to be able to have that
stop gap.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
We can get a bit of a reprieve and move
on from there.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah. Look, I don't think anyone better than EILID. When
COVID came and the Northern Chitory needed the assistance of
the AFP to man our borders, but also enforced the
restrictions throughout the Northern Territory. So the bulk of the
policing that came into the Northern Territory came from the
Australian Federal Police, who then in turn were sworn in
(08:54):
as Northern Territory Police. You know, we can do this
without you know, having it seem like. But I just
think that crime and you know, what's happening in Alice
Springs is the tip of the iceberg, Katie, and things
need to you know, we need to take some steps.
I'm working through that with both Linda and the Prime
(09:16):
Minister's office and I'm hoping that we can land on
something today. I'll talk to Matt Patterson in Alice Springs,
But as I said, I think we've got to get
support right across the Northern Teritory, Katie. Alice is you know,
because the video footage that goes out and has been
(09:38):
on Sky News is shocking. It is it is distressful.
You know. I watched that footage of that that that
young woman that was you know, beat up by other
young women, and it is disgraceful. It is disturbing that
this group mentality, you know, this this primitive behavior, you know,
(09:59):
like it's almost like people there are no boundaries and
people think it's free for all and you know, we'll
just kick the shit out of someone and it's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And it is so not it's so not Okay, Marion,
I appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Let you I'll keep you informed, please do yeah, yeah,
we'll talk to you.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well, let's please let us know how things progress this up.
Oh and we might even be able to chat to
again tomorrow. Marion Scrimjaw, thank you, thanks for your time
this morning. Thank you bye now
Joining me on the line right now is the Member
for Lynciari, the Labor Member for Lyniari, Marion Scrimjaw.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Good morning, Marion, Good morning, Katie.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh, not too bad?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Marian? The scenes out of all right is that you
don't have to go back in.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
No, you're all good yet, Marian.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Have you spoken to the Prime Minister this morning about
the scenes out of Alice.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Look, there's a lot of discussion happening down here at
the moment, Katie, but also with the Northern Territory government.
So I've had a number of you know, I've had
a quite a long discussion with the Chief Minister and
also with the Commissioner for Police in the Northern Territory.
(00:46):
I'm going to meet with the Attorney General because I'm
going to see if he can also have a discussion
with the Commissioner for Police in the Northern Territory so
that we can have a look at what's the idiot,
what do we need to do and what work does
the federal government need to do. So sending in anyone
(01:08):
from the federal government will require, you know, police plus
an organ territory government to agree to that. So the
Attorney General is going to we'll have a discussion and
then he'll talk to the Commissioner for Police in the
Northern Territory.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Marian, do you think there needs to be Look, Katie,
do you think there needs to be extra police coming in,
either federal police or the army, or police from another jurisdiction.
I mean, the Chief Minister said.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
We've got to do something, Katie. Well, you know the footage,
and all of us have seen the footage. But I've
been talking to people on the ground and the despair
that I've heard in people's voices, and when you look
at what's been happening, enough's enough and we've got to stop.
Because the violence isn't just you know, breaking windows and
(02:03):
vehicles and stuff. There's a lot of violence happening Aboriginal
on Aboriginal and young people are getting seriously hurt here.
And I think anyone saying that it's paidback and that
that's okay, No, it's not. It is. It is violent,
and it's and people. It's criminal behavior and something needs
(02:24):
to be done.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So federal police, Marion, I mean, the ads what needs
to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I can't I can't commit to that, Katie. But look,
I will have a discussion with Mark Drefus, who's the
federal Attorney General, who I know wants to have a
discussion with the Commissioner for Police in the Northern Territory.
I think it does need extra resources. I think that
(02:51):
we also need the support of the AFP in terms
of some of the intelligence that needs to happen, particularly
in and around Springs, because I think that these other
So when we're talking about these young people and what's
happening in the level of violence, Katie, I'm going to
go out on it. You know, people aren't drinking here.
(03:11):
It's not alcohol. I think there are there is something
more sinister happening here. And I'm quite frankly, I'm sick
of people saying that it's fas D and that these
kids are you know that these problems amongst these kids.
Everyone should be working towards making Alice Springs safe, and
(03:34):
that includes a lot of organizations that are funded by
the federal government. People need to step up here, and
we need to get some accountability across the board. But
I think in the first instance, Katie, we've got to
make LUs safe. People are feeling unsafe, and when you
(03:55):
look at the footage and what happened. I've never heard
such despair or you know, the voices of people ringing
me yesterday and last night and saying we need help.
You know, we don't feel safe in this town. And
I'm not talking about people like me who have only
just been in the town for two years or three years.
(04:18):
This is long term residents, people who have invested in
the town, who come from the town, who have spent
all of their working life and invested in Alice Springs.
Enough's enough, and you know, I will give Eva whatever
support because I think Eva's inherited this. She is trying
(04:39):
to She is trying to do the best for Alice Springs,
and I'm not making excuses for her, Katie Nice, but
there are people who should have been held accountable and
decisions should have been made previously by the Anti government
to deal with this issue, because this has been something
that's been coming for some time and now we've got
(05:01):
to clean up the mess. And I feel for either
because she's got to clean up the mets and I
think she's trying to do the right thing, and federally,
we need to do everything we can to work with
her to try and do that I.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Mean, she'd said to us on the show though just
a short time ago, that she's not prepared to call
in the Federal Police or the adf for to get
that additional support.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So are you going to circumvent her if required?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Look, I'm going to have a I'm going to have
another discussion with her, because I think what everyone's in
fear here, Katie is everyone has this you know, everyone's
been traumatized, and everyone has this fear of We've already
had one Commonwealth intervention and some of the issues that
we're saying is whilst we've had the federal government to
(05:48):
intervene prevacy in the Northern Territory, it targeted the wrong people.
And I think you know, it's not the problems not
out in remote communities. The problem was all is going
to be the rivers of grog and the lack of
accountability in our urban centers. And that's what should have
(06:09):
been targeted previously, not remote communities because people were doing
the right thing as and there was already restrictions in
our remote communities. It's it's our urban centers where people
have gravitated from remote communities into the town centers because
it means that they can go about, you know, doing
(06:32):
this destructive behavior create you know, doing and creating problems
not just for themselves but for the wider community. You know,
the anti social behavior that we see on the streets
in Darwin, Catherine tennantanallis and I think that's where people,
you know, there is this stigma attached that if you
(06:53):
get the federal government to come in, then you know,
it's another intervention. I listened to Matt Patterson this morning,
and I spoke to Matt and I'll ring him back
as he said, anti labor and the opposition. Everyone needs
to stop getting, you know, trying to make politics out
(07:14):
of this. There are some serious issues facing the Northern
territory and we all need to put our politics to
one side and do what's best for the territory. You
are sport, you know this side's say, you know, tougher,
and that side Niasanocchiaro should be reaching out to Eva
and saying, how do we together call on the federal
(07:37):
government to put the resources not just in Alla Springs.
You know, we saw the cross isolence in Kasrum. We
see it in Darwin all the time. Katie.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
You know, well Marion, it is absolute bullshit what we
are dealing with at the moment in the Northern Territory.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I'll be very blunt about it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Our poor Northern Territory police are run off their feet.
We have had crime increase over the last you know,
over the last few years, it's tripled the resources that
we've got for our Northern Territory police.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We don't have enough, Like, we don't have enough.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Police to be able to deal with the levels of
crime that we've got. So that's where I don't understand
why it's not embarrassing for the Northern Territory government. It's
not embarrassing for anybody to just ask for a bit
of help right now to be able to have that
stop gap.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
We can get a bit of a reprieve and move
on from there.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah. Look, I don't think anyone better than EILID. When
COVID came and the Northern Chitory needed the assistance of
the AFP to man our borders, but also enforced the
restrictions throughout the Northern Territory. So the bulk of the
policing that came into the Northern Territory came from the
Australian Federal Police, who then in turn were sworn in
(08:54):
as Northern Territory Police. You know, we can do this
without you know, having it seem like. But I just
think that crime and you know, what's happening in Alice
Springs is the tip of the iceberg, Katie, and things
need to you know, we need to take some steps.
I'm working through that with both Linda and the Prime
(09:16):
Minister's office and I'm hoping that we can land on
something today. I'll talk to Matt Patterson in Alice Springs,
But as I said, I think we've got to get
support right across the Northern Teritory, Katie. Alice is you know,
because the video footage that goes out and has been
(09:38):
on Sky News is shocking. It is it is distressful.
You know. I watched that footage of that that that
young woman that was you know, beat up by other
young women, and it is disgraceful. It is disturbing that
this group mentality, you know, this this primitive behavior, you know,
(09:59):
like it's almost like people there are no boundaries and
people think it's free for all and you know, we'll
just kick the shit out of someone and it's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
And it is so not it's so not Okay, Marion,
I appreciate your honesty.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Let you I'll keep you informed, please do yeah, yeah,
we'll talk to you.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Well, let's please let us know how things progress this up.
Oh and we might even be able to chat to
again tomorrow. Marion Scrimjaw, thank you, thanks for your time
this morning. Thank you bye now
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