The Week That Was – 5th April 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, a very good morning to you. It is Friday morning.
It is time for the week that was. And in
the studio with us this morning, we've got the Deputy
Opposition leader Jared Maylee.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Great have you in the studio from nine News Darwin.
We have got Georgie Dickerson. Good morning to you, Georgie.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Morning, Happy Friday. Who love Friday?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
And we've gone over here in the I don't even
know what corner it is, the right corner, the left corner?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
What would you call it?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Easyureic the Independent member for Goider.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Morning Katie, morning bush people.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Great have you on the show.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
And we've also got Brent Potter, the Minister for Police,
and various other portfolios for the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Good morning to you, Katie.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
Feels like a dry season.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
It was lovely this morning. Actually a little bit cooler,
a little bit drier. Let's hope that it, you know,
starts to cool right down.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
There is so much to discuss this morning. I do
just want to take you to a bit of local
news and the Territory Duty Superintendent Mark Bland has has
said that at about eleven thirty last night, police received
reports that a woman had allegedly in the lagoon at
the Darwin Waterfront Precinct. Emergency services attended and the woman
was declared deceased at the scene. That death is not

(01:08):
believed to be suspicious and a report will be prepared
for the coroner. Now, I know we've had people contacting
us about that, so I did just want to give
our listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
A bit of an update. But there is so much
to cover off on.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
This week when it comes to the news, and we
might start with the incident at john Dale where we
saw fourteen kids climb onto the roof of the don
Dale Uth Detention facility.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It was just a day or so ago and a riot.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I mean it saw a police officer taken to hospital
and a building set alight. Police Acting Deputy Commissioner Martin
Dole said that police were called to don Dale about
four pm on Wednesday. Now, he said these fourteen young
people had initially climbed onto the roof and were throwing
projectiles at the attending members and staff. An officer was

(01:56):
injured and taken to hospital with injuries from that dial.
Now my understanding he had a fractured leg or a
broken leg.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Is early condition.

Speaker 6 (02:06):
That's the scene for a cross and All and Chertory
chaos and chaos in the mad where you are, chaos
in the prisons, chaos in Dondale, or chaos on the street,
and it just all goes back to the Labor government's
failed policies, especially on youth crime. These kids are in
there and they can't even control I'm not keeping the
kids safe in don Dale, not keeping people safe in
the community.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I mean, look, the fact they're on the roof, it's
pretty wild that they're up on the roof in the
first place. That vision is horrible. I think if you
you know, I can understand, and there absolutely needs to
be people advocating for these kids.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I get that.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But if you sort of just listen to those advocates
and what they are saying, and they're saying that don
Dale's not fit for purpose, I get that. And you know,
no doubt we'll talk about about the new facility being built,
but you are talking about young people here who from
what I have been told, we spoke to Matt Cunningham
about it yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Georgie, I'm sure you've heard the same.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
There has been an escalation over the last few weeks
in terms of dangerous behavior towards the guards there. As
I understand it, there was a female guard who had
her arm broken. There's been some pretty horrible stuff happening.
And then to wind up in a situation where they're
on the roof and they're making demands. No, no, no, you

(03:20):
don't get sent to don Dale for nothing.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
That's I was going to follow up with that comment, Katie,
is for people who are unt aware and listening to
this show. The people who are in don Dale are
at the end of the line. They're in that jail
and let's call it a jail, detention center whatever, because
they have committed crimes and they have been found guilty
of committing crimes. I mean, as we all know, we

(03:42):
talk about it, although I haven't seen any hard evidence.
You know, they get put on diversion programs, their hand
gets held, you know, put in cotton will, all that
sort of stuff, and when all that fails and they
still commit crimes, they go to don Dale.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
It's unacceptable.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
It's a jail and they're wrong. They're criminals.

Speaker 7 (03:57):
Yeah, and some of that what you were just saying
before some of those incidents, staff electrocuted a woman attacked,
had unbroken as staff member, even stabbed apparently in the
neck and the face just before Christmas. And Jersey families
obviously didn't deny blatantly that these events had happened, but
they did say that investigations were continuing.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
And it's just you know, they say that there's.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Enough why it needs correctional service officers and they're not
youth working.

Speaker 7 (04:22):
Yeah, and they said that is enough workers, but obviously
how is there enough workers if kids are escaping and
getting onto the roof late.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
At night, even that afternoon.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Moving to corrections, and remember labor for eight years to
talk about don Dale and getting new prison up and running,
and it's been delay after delay.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
We'll talk about the delays in just a sick but.

Speaker 5 (04:41):
I'll go to Jared and then I'll answer the other
three points. Jared, when you guys had government and you
had the Youth Justice facility and it was under corrections,
you had youth offenders breakout, stealer, can't break in. The
defenders that got on the roof the other day did
not breach the walls. They were still inside don Dale.
Let's be really clear for your listening which prison drove

(05:02):
a car back in under the seal piece. I don't
pretend you could do any better, because you didn't.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Better though that they're on the roof throwing projectiles on
the ground, yet inside of.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
The facility, which is what we want them. We don't
want them getting out. These are the most violent youth defenders.
They're in there. That's the exact reason they're in there.
And unfortunately we've had a series of assaults against staff.
But the same training that our youth correct our youth
justice officers get, with the same training what the corrections
would have, they're going to be the same people. You
don't have a pool of people that you would swap out.
And in what I can say Katie is those those

(05:34):
offenders that got up on the roof will be charged,
They will go before the court. Again, they're still in
don Dale, and ultimately there's no excuse for the behavior.
That the facilities in many cases better than the home
environment they come from, So there is no.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Reason for the case the damage like how much are
we anticipating that it's going to cost and who pays
for it?

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Well, ultimately we'll have to go through into the assessment
we government upfront and then we'll seek restitution. That's what
should be happening. And we brought laws in last year
that we change where it said that if offender has
got to pay out, for example, and they owe the
Crown money, that money is taken from the pay it
before they get it. And that was in direct response
to the Royal Commission and how there was people in
debt selling that we had to pay and we changed
that last year.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, look, I hope that you know, I do hope
that there is a consequence to the actions. Particularly for me,
the main thing is when you see someone injured as
a result of the behavior then and and absolute, you know,
blatant disregard for everybody around them when you're throwing projectiles.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
What's a break a leg means that's a fairly.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
It's a massive, it's a massive.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Picture is broken.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
The initial advice I got was fractured, and I've seen
something since then they've been discharging it. Potentially wasn't that
So I'm happy to clarify it.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Injured enough in hospital in the first place.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
He's just worth making it clear that it's not confirmed yet.
But yes, they shouldn't have assalded the officer and it
took police to go in there and do it.

Speaker 7 (06:49):
But in the fact the TRG was also called in
obviously shows how serious it was.

Speaker 5 (06:52):
Well, no, two things. TRG and the Territory Safety Division
a specialist in import trainings of public order response training,
so they're the officer is the best place to inside
the prison.

Speaker 7 (07:00):
But still the fact that we're having public in the
first place for kids, it obviously shows that they're doing.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Detention center yep, the prison environment.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
It's a prison or when the.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Prison in behmar for the jail in how it springs
when that when this semilar incident happened there, it was
police that attended as well. So they are the ones
that are specialized to do it, and they're the best
place to do it, because you don't want the youth
justice officers, who clearly were unable to contain it, having
to be the ones to get time.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Now, I want to get to the part of the
discussion where you know, we have got advocates saying, well,
the building is not fit for purpose.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
You know that's the problem. It's not fit for purpose.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Well but well, no, Jarl is could you argue is
fit for purpose? It is what it is. And the
officers who deal with it whether it be youth or
whether it be police or corrections. They work within the
parameters that they are given. It's a temporary thing. There's
going to be this new jail for kids open up
very soon.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
Which has been eight years and massive delays and massive
cost blowouts, and I've been there to look at it.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
It's pretty flash, pretty flash.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Yeah, it's like a lot a lot more fatility than
I expect. Your own went there was like all out
in the opening set out really nicely. But it's just
been a delay after delay because the labor comement promises
I think eight.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Years ago they were going to do that.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Ultimately, it's definitely it's definitely delayed, definitely.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Massive costum is the problem microphones.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
But originally it was meant to go into Pinelands. The
community didn't want it there. That delayed by a year,
and that's the delay that we're seeing come through now.
And then you had COVID over that period of time
and I'm trying to get some renovations. It's difficult the
moment to get builders, it is difficult to get supplies.
Had COVID and then at a year's delay because the
original location wasn't agreed to look.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I guess that you know the situation that we're in
though as well at the moment, as you've got some
advocates saying, well, these kids should.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Not be in there, you know, like it's not appropriate.
Well this is the problem.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
They shouldn't be in there, is what they're saying. But
if they're not in there, well where are they going
to go? Because we are talking about people who've committed serious, serious.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Place for youth attention for certain youth, and the people
that are in there at the moment to be there'd
be under no illusion they've committed the offending, and that's
why they're there. We've announced youth residential justice facility so
that we don't see because there was a group of
kids that were in detention at the same time that
didn't get involved in the right those kids arguably could
be in, for example, the youth residential facility out on
country working on cattle stations.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Do you know how many people are in there at
the moment.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Off the top of my head, I couldn't take Ky's
that's something for the other minister.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I heard on a meter interview somewhing I thought it
was about fifty.

Speaker 7 (09:25):
Correctly, there was about thirty kids that won't Involveday.

Speaker 4 (09:30):
I've got a question, man, Peter Brent can answer this
is you say that they are going to be charged,
what exactly do they get charged with?

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Good question.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
The Deputy Commissioner yesterday gave a couple examples. One of
those criminal damage, engage in writer's behavior, assault police. There'll
be a series of offenses that will be put before
them and they'll ultimately serve a longer time in Dondale.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I'd suspect, well, look, it's certainly not behavior that anybody
in the community thinks is appropriate. And then when you
think about the fact that resources are being pulled from
everywhere basically to ill with kids that have already run
am uk on the street or they wouldn't be in
don Dale, all those resources being used, all the damage
that's been done, I mean, I'll be very interested to

(10:10):
see just how much financially that damage amounts to. And
and you know, I've heard others saying, well, we need
more wrap around services, we need this, we need that.
Yeah we do, but we've had our years of doing
all of that stuff and right now we are in
the situation that we're in where we're seeing unfortunately high
levels of youth offending. You know, people can tell me

(10:31):
whatever they want, but we're seeing it ourselves.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
You see it yourself when you're out on the street.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
That's because of the message of the labor government putting
out over the last few years.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
You know, raise responsibility. They've taken away.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
The police are powered to deal with the alcohol and
the too colonial law.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
You know, decriminalize literally just lie, decriminalize.

Speaker 6 (10:50):
The You can have your timilated Britan too, and you
can say whatever you want, but that's the truth of
the matter. And we know that because you've even said
that in your own report, said that that little bits
at a time eating away and it sends a message
out there to these youth offenders. Do what you want
is untouchable, there's no consequences. So it really needs to

(11:11):
have that policy adjustment.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Which government stip if you are elected in August, if
that is what they've done, if they have sent the
message out to youth criminals that you know that you
can do whatever you want and get away with it,
how are you guys going to send the message come
August if you do get elected that that isn't the case.

Speaker 6 (11:28):
Okay, Well, there's lots of things we're going to do.
The first thing we're going to do is put the
ACTI criminal responsibility back to ten so these children actually learn.
There's going to be a consequence because at the moment
it's only into prison.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
What's going to happen then, because a lot of them
just get out of prison and do the same thing.

Speaker 6 (11:41):
We ag on that as well, But we're going to
move the youth justice back into corrections. Like Kizia said,
we're going to make breach of bail and offense. We're
going to give the police some power, and we're going
to have a sentence to a skill policy because we
agree it's putting these kids in warehouses like a prison
is not the best. We need to make sure that
we are in there they can learn some life skills.
Because these kids really haven't been to school. They probably

(12:04):
can't even count to twenty properly. So we need to
tailor those programs and make sure those kids be able
to have some better choices and make their lives.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Better when they get out. Unlike labor, we just leave
the citiment revolving.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
Skill is good, but who's going to staff And I
feel like that's the question I've asked multiple times, is
we don't have enough staff already who's actually going to
work in these programs to make sure that these kids aren't.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Getting there because they do need to education.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
At the end of the day, they aren't education.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
And that's why because the Labor government have failed, because
our reputation across Australian across internationally is don't come the
down and don't come thet on churity because the crime's
out of control. We've heard of stories of a teacher
and Catherine leaving.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
We hear that right across to be speaking to that
teacher after eleven or after.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Tenos coming here because it's because of the crime.

Speaker 6 (12:46):
So ultimately we need to make sure that the territories
are safe for place to take back control of the
We need to rebuild our rep because the Labor government
has just blown it apart.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
We've got I'm sorry, it's election. He's got to put
some poles into its garbage. What you just said, breach
of bail ben breach of bail being an offense. It
came not only from police themselves but from the Royal Commission.
They're making breach of bail and offense. The offender never
fronts the court for the initial offense. Now, breaching your
bail conditions automatically will see you apprehended. If you do

(13:15):
another offending whilst on bail, you are being picked up
and you're being reminded you're not being regranted bail like
you would like people to believe. That's just not true.
By bringing breach of.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
These kids get picked up all the time and then
go back to the public. Perception doesn't feel.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Right, and most of the cases that go through the
Youth Justice Court are withheld with the names.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
You don't actually see see what.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Most of the youth that sit in Dondale are on
remand because they've breached their bail and they're waiting to
see the court and what you're proposing.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Chair times have they breached their bail though, I think
is another question because.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Katie, how can I tell you which kids doing it
at the moment, like we could sit down case by case.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
And that I'm asking right now is what we seem
to be seeing a lot of is that it's you know,
like we get a police press release and you know
you've the person's been bailed. Is what you're very often
seeing after a very serious incident of offending things that
most people would not think that you would be bailed
if you'd committed such a serious offense.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
And we said this yesterday when we came on on
and afterwards I said you, we changed the law in
twenty twenty one with seven B in the youth just
around bail, and so you don't have you have a
presumption against bail now that we change it.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Well, look, I guess what I'm getting to then is
where do you think the system is failing? If we've
still got kids out on the street, they are on
bail and committing offenses, where are we being let down?

Speaker 5 (14:37):
So what the judiciary is saying is they want options
in between detention at Dondale, and that's how we've announced
the Youth Justice frdential facilities. There'll be some kids that
they don't believe should be sitting on remanded Dondale, and
I would agree that the fact that there was a
group of kids in that right that didn't engage in
anything still well clear of it, they're better served in
an alternative facility, and that's what we've announced that the judiciary.

Speaker 7 (14:55):
One necessarily I should be serving a different facilities because
they didn't engage in a way.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I mean, well done gold Staff.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
There kidding that there are kids that have got they've
got nowhere else to remand them. They want other options,
and that's why we're giving them those three camps in
Alice Springs, Tenant Creek, and Darwin and that will provide
that middle gap between diversion which Keysy talks about and
ultimately are serving a sentence on remand in Donde and
something in the middle, which is you talk about sentence
to a skill. We've been doing that. The problem is
getting enough operators that want to engage in that activity

(15:24):
because the numbers are small, the numbers of kids that
are being centers that are small. And it's not cost
it's cost prohibitive.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Look, I've said this before and I am keen to
move on because there's so much to discuss. But you
know we hear from labor at the moment, Well, we're
doing all of these things and you know their best practice,
this is what should be happening. We're building this facility.
You know, we've got these programs in place. The legislation
is correct. So if that is the case, why are
we still continuing to see the offending that we are seeing. Well,

(15:51):
we've been hearing from the government as well about generational
change since you guys were elected, so since Labor was elected,
but we are not seen generational change at this point
in time. You have got kids that are offending. We
had a situation just a few weeks ago when there's
a little one. I will say little one, because goodness me,
it's young. When you're under ten years old and you're offending,

(16:11):
that generation is all under you, guys. It's an year old,
nine year old is while you've been in power.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah, but again in saying that, Katie, if it was
as simple as just turn it.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Saying that it's just as simple as turning a piece
of legislation, but you've had eight years to do it,
and you're saying everything's right. If everything's bloody right, why
have we got levels of crime that are higher than
they have ever been before.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
Because it's not just one issue that has caused it
is multiple. I would say the legislation's there, they get before.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
It just sounds like in manycuses to listeners, that's what
it sounds like.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
That's why all obviously August will come territoris and make
a decision. But changing bail and bringing a bailback is
an offense. Llowering it to ten years old is not
going to fix at Jared, you know it's not How
will it fix it? Do?

Speaker 3 (16:59):
I think that's that's not.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
A crime to get to.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
But there needs to be set in stone things that
are going to happen to these kids when they do
the crime. What because there's no clear pathway at the moment,
they just do the crime, They go back into prison
and they do it all over again. It doesn't feel
like to territori ands being rehabilitized to.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
What these are and.

Speaker 6 (17:21):
To make sure that they do get a sentence to
a skill which labor if remember and to go or
you're saying labor being in power for nineteen at the
last twenty three years. Yes, there was four years of
a SELP government in the middle there, but you know,
these fingers up to nineteen years, they have been born
under generation under the labor government, and it's like getting better,
it's getting worse.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I'm more than happy to give labor a kick in
the guts where I feel like they've not done the
right thing, or where I feel like they might be failing.
But what I will say for the c LP as well,
is that there needs to be really clear policies in
place because a lot of people in the community are
feeling as though at the moment you're very quick to
kick the labor party, give them a kick up the bump,
but then really don't have a huge amount of detail

(18:02):
around what you're going to do and what's going to
genuinely make a difference.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And all the while normal people are feeling really.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Very flat, they're feeling like they've lost hope in a
lot of ways.

Speaker 6 (18:14):
In a message that there's going to be a consequence
for your crime, are we going to do that by
a sentence of skill, We're going to make sure that
there's some consequences for these kids because at the moment
they just run wild because the consequences is going.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
To be to talk there, I was not going to
get bail.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
I'm just going to put some statistics on the table.
I mean, on any day in Australia, there's about four
and a half thousand children between ten and eighteen in
detention for whatever reason, and quite a lot of them.
As you said, why would it be any different up
here in regards to youth being on remand versus adults.
We know that there's about of our holts on remand,

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so they've got to get out of being on remand
and get their trial, work out what their sentence is.
Then they can get programs and rhabilitation work. The same
would be for the young people. But I think what
has to be addressed and perhaps that's part of the
know I know you're going to say that's part of
the mix and wrap around services and all that sort
of bullshit, But why are these young people doing the
crime said doing. We know their lack of education, we

(19:13):
know they're bored, et cetera. So if the sea up
he's going to do something to try and win the
favor of constituencies, then there's got to be progrems. Send
us to a skill. I think it's great ideas, Like
send us to a job was a great idea. I
don't know if it's still going, but it needs some done.
We've still got to find out why why are the
young people offending to the level that they are.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Well, look, we're gonna have to take a quick break
otherwise we aren't going to get to any aids and
we've got to pay the bills. If you've just joined
us in the studio this morning. We've got Brent Potter,
Keesyer Puic, Georgie Dickinson and also Jared Mayley and well,
it seems that people of Alice Springs have had a
bit of a bench old week with the curfew currently
in place. I know that the police have been working

(19:55):
incredibly hard as I understand it, this World Territory family
sort of working hand in hand with them. They've been
on average, from what I can gather, around twenty to
twenty five kids a night who've been picked up in
that curfew area. That is what the Chief Minister had
said at a press conference earlier in the week. Now
she said that the Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy was going
to be returning to Alis this week as we know

(20:16):
that he has and collect some clear data on the
efficiency of that curfew. But anecdotally the town had been
much more quiet since its implementation last Wednesday. Brent, have
you has that data being collected? Is it going to
be extended?

Speaker 5 (20:33):
So we'll make that decision once the Chief gets back
from Alice Springs and we get the Commissioner back in
the room and we sit down from Tempse back up
to Cabinet, but no, I won't be today, but I
think it's you know, the anecdotal darties and I can
just say by the amount of briefs that I'm getting
as the Minister for Police from police, it is quite
a When I went down there on Tuesday night, went
through the CBD, couldn't see a kid, there was police

(20:55):
everywhere and people were having ol fresco dining at night.
It's evident that's working. The addition or resources are having
an impact. So we were, you know, personally looking at
the school holidays. Will assess the information, but you know,
school hot is notoriously a busy time and we need
to support those residents in our springs and will continue.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
To be extended.

Speaker 7 (21:11):
Surely if you've seen such a well, I mean I
don't have the data yet, but surely if when you're
walking around and people are out enjoying themselves once again,
then surely that is a sign that it needs.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
To be extended, just for your listeners so they understand
how it actually works. Because I don't want to make
the decision without it coming through MCY. So the cees,
those on the Territory Emergency Management Committee will meet, they
will provide a recommendation to SMC and Cabinet and then
from there will action that. That's how the initial curfew
came in. And for listeners out there, it isn't Actually
the legal isn't. The legal parameters aren't the curfew. It's
the emergency declaration of the powers under Section twenty two,

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which gives police very very liberal powers, and that's how
they've determined the curve.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yes, So are they yes? So how are they being collected?
Like hundred? Is that under the emergency powers?

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Or is that under emergency power? So it allows the
police officer to direct them to vacating it. It's basically
for the listeners similar powers to COVID.

Speaker 6 (21:59):
So in relation to that, did you sign the declaration Brent?
In relating to the amenity declaration?

Speaker 5 (22:03):
As the Minister of Police, I have to sign, yes?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
And what event you know persuaded you to sign that?

Speaker 5 (22:07):
It was a series of events, Jared, and I think
you shouldn't have been done on that. I'll give you
the first two, that woman that was assaulted by you
and the more people and the other one being the
eighteen year olgid.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think it should have been done a long time ago.

Speaker 7 (22:17):
Those seeing as we've seen relentless attacks and incidents in
Alice Springs and people have been calling for a curfey for.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
What to do a curfew for anyone that has had
to implement a curfew is resource intensive. I don't think
we had the numbers post COVID in the current environment
to have done it. We do now we've had more
police come back to work with announcement police officers and
we've got more resources. It is you can't do a
curfew unless you can deny people access to an area
and you need the resource and just.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
On that as well, the Northern Territory Police have now
confirmed that they sought assistance or they've sought assistance from
the South Australian Police who are one of our cross
border partners. So Alice Springs, they say, as a service
hub for a large number of communities across the cross
border region of the Northern Territory WA South Australia, and
recent events in Alice Springs, including recent weather, has seen
an influx of visitors from cross border regions remaining in

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Alice Springs. So the assistance of these South Australian Police
is going to enable a more gradual transition Brent, how
many the.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Numbers are still being worked out with South Australia. I'm
really grateful that they've come to the table because we
get a lot of ap wirelands and central desert from
South Australia. This will allow us when they do come
in to move some of the resources back to Darwen.
But more importantly, you're going to have people from South
Australia seeing uniform members from South Australia and Alice Springs
and that's that cultural connection.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
So really, I mean, why was the government last week
so sort of hesitant and you know and saying, look,
we're not going to ask the AFP. The AFP aren't appropriate.
I get, you know, I get why you maybe don't
want to ask the AFP. But even at the time
last week, I'd said why don't we ask for assistance
from across the border or from anywhere else.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
At the time, we didn't need to because we didn't
have people in from ap Wirelands and so.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
We kids writing you needed more cops, needed.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
More cops, no doubt, but they weren't people from South Australia.
What we saw is and the Commissioner said this in
one of his interviews that there was an influx of
kids from ap Wilands that and aware of the curfew
and their families had come up. So that's why that
request has been put in there with the ifp are
not fit to come in and do policing in our springs.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
They are not, like I'm being told. Like We've had
people get in contact with us saying I'm finding it
very offensive that the government keeps saying that they're not
fit to come in and do that work.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
I think I find it really staggering. Australian Federal Police
are police officers first and foremost. They do tend to
look after things of a national level. They have been
sent to Solomon Islands, they've probably been sent to put
New Guinea. They do all sorts of things at the
airport as we know, whatever and whatever. So they are
hugely and well trained. More probably so in my view
because I know quite a few Federal Police officers than

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general duties and I find that offensive on this.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
If they also work with the Northern Territory Police on
child exploitation projects, they also work on drugs all.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Sorts of They are specialist officers. They work under the
Commonwealth legislation. The best use of the resource from another
state is a state based police force, which is what
South Australia's put up.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
You just say that last week though, like you know,
I understand what you're saying that.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You know, so you're saying now the reason you've done
it is because you've got an influx of people that
have come from the ap wylands since last.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Week, since the curfew has been in place, and that's
the commissioner asked for this. So he called them up
and said we've got him.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I think good on him that he's done that, because
it didn't seem like the government was.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Prepared to as the Minister, I can't even put the
request in. It's commissioner to commissioner. And then that it's
a commissioner that determines in South Australia if the resources
come up. It's not the minister or the Premier. It's
the commissioner that puts the request in and approves it.
So we've got people from South Australia and Alice Springs,
which is what happened not last Christmas, the Christmas before
we had the flood. Remember we had a whole bunch
of people from WA and South Australia in and we

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didn't get the resources there.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
That's I think why people couldn't understand even last week
why the government was so hesitant to sort of go
down that path, because we have utilized police from other
locations before. It's not embarrassing, it's not a step backwards.
It's not you know, it's not in ad miss that
you don't have things under control. It's more like, hey,
we need some assistance. We've got some real issues right

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now and it's okay for our fellow Aussies to help us.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
So two years ago when that was happening, different police commission,
a different police minister. We've you know, the commission that
is here now has made the determination to ask for
that request. I can't talk the decisions that were before
my tenure, but we have people from South Australia and
ap Wylands and Alice Springs and hence why the request
is gone. And it will be a very small number.
It'll be a small number to deal with and to
work with the people that are in our springs.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I have just seen at the bottom of this statement.
So what I'm what I'm reading here is that they're
going to implement a rotation system involving twenty officers with
ten officers rotating in each week, so by the look
of it, But I do also want to ask, and
I know Jerald was getting to this just a moment ago,
there are you know, there are claims that the curfew
is unlawful.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Obviously I spoke to you about this yesterday as well.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So firstly, I do just firstly, do you think that
it's a curfew that's making an impact in terms of
the safety on the stret or do you think it's
the increase police.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
It's both, because you can't you can't have a curfew
without the resets.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
So I suppose the follow up is how do you
maintain that longer term when we don't have the numbers
of police at this stage to be able to do so.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
So we can maintain the curfew in the period of
time that we have it, and if we extend it,
we can maintain it for that. But it's worth noting
that it's not just police, so police aren't necessarily in
the curfew zone the whole time. Territory, families and education
are primarily dealing with the curfew zone, and police are
dealing with the outer cording out in the suburbs. And
that's how this cordin has been effective, and education campaign
saying to these kids and these parents, there is a curfew,

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don't come into town. And for the first couple of
days people were held up in the town camps because
they didn't want to come in. And what we have
seen is a significant reduction stylen cars. I'm only aware
of one, I believe. And it comes down this point.
Why the Chiefness is written to meta is because they
steal the car to go into town to be seen
to film themselves. They know they can't get into town.
They're not getting the start and that they're seeking, so
they're not necessarily going out and community's offenses.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
And I'll get to that meta stuff in a moment,
and the boasting and posting. But on the whether the
curfew is lawful or not, I mean, what does everyone
make of that sort of argument.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I don't understand how it can't be unlawful.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
It's a legislation or I guess that's put in place teens.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
But I don't think because you know it's mad, can
explain do you think it's unlawful?

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Though?

Speaker 6 (28:20):
What I'm saying is that the legislation is there, and
it should be there, and it needs to be there
for emergency, but there's a sectionaire of section four that
says it can't be used to put down rights or
civil disobedience. And that's why I asked the question, what
event did you do persuaded you to act the declarations?

Speaker 7 (28:37):
People run right in the town and one hundred and
fifty kids smashing up pubs.

Speaker 6 (28:41):
And saying, if you remember the CP call would bring
back the Parliament to make legislation.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Choice, we could go back and.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
We could change the lord to make it so it
is legal because right now, no one's above the law.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Basically what you're saying though, like from what I can
gather as you are saying, like you're you're going all right,
Well they if they haven't too of you know exactly
what they should have, then we could go back into
Parliament and do that and also change legislation. But so
then what make the people of Alice Springs wait another
few days before they've got that immediate respie.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
You could do that immediately, right, And that's why it's
very clear to CLARIFO what event caused to do christ I.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Actually think the CPS themselves in a bit of a
bind over this because that when I asked Lea about
this earlier in the week as well, because I actually
find it quite interesting that the CLP seemingly then doesn't
support that curfew.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
We support the well.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
You didn't, So just clarify what you said righteous behavior.
The one thing that you left off is conflict. I'm
telling you it wasn't righteous behavior that the trigger is
and this isn't moxtry conflict. And I've explained to you
just before the strings of events what I would ask you, though,
when Leah came out and said recall parliament, she never
once spoke about creating legislation around curfews. That wasn't what
she was recalling parliament for. She was talking about bail.

(29:54):
None of these kids and adults were on bail, mate,
None of them are on bal, So it would have
done absolutely nothing.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
One hundred and fifty were on bail, none of.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
The none of the kids and adults have got arrested
ron bail. None of them were. And I can tell
you I've seen the report. I got the police report.
None of them are on bail at the time. Now,
what the opposition to put forward and say recall Parliament
was to change bail, that wouldn't have fixed the problem
for Alice Springs. We acted and if anyone wants to
contest it, go forth and do it. Alice.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
One area where I do think that legislation needs to
be changed is the boasting and posting. I've been talking
about this for weeks since New South Wales and Queensland
changed that legislation. Now we know that the Northern Territory
Chief Minister Eva Laula has written to the tech Giants,
so essentially Evil Lawler's accused tech Titan Meta of encouraging
and reinforcing youth crime among some of the country's most

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vulnerable children seeking social media fame.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Now, Laula has demanded.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That an urgent meeting with Meta happens, saying that her
government is considering following other states in launching posts and
boast legislation that could lead to jail time for anyone
sharing videos of committing a crime via social media. Following
a rising crime. It has seen a two week youth
curfew in post obviously in our Springs.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Now I get it.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I understand why the Chief Minister is seeking this meeting,
and I think absolutely do it. But what's stopping you
guys from the boasting and posting legislation we're.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
Working right now. What we want to do is have
them come to the table so we can put it.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Told me just last Monday it would be part of
the review, the overarching review that we're not expecting back
until the end of the year.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
I can tell you right now. We've been working on
this for a while, so.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
It is going to happen before the end of the year.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
Whether it happens before we've got one sittings, no. What
I'm saying is it's not my peace of legislation. I
provide a comedy piece. It's it's with the a G
because it doesn't sit with the He's in our springs
right now, madness, and.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
We need a meeting with MATA. Understand why we need
this legislation put in place. New South Wales has done it,
Queensland has done it. It's pretty obvious that kids are
posting all over grimes, but it's pretty obvious why we
need to put these legislations in place.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
I need to meet with MANA and.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
We want to have a meeting with them. Is they
will sensitize certain components of stuff on social media and
they'll let stuff completely run through and not one we
can't call them. So for example, if police want to
get something removed, you can't call Facebook to get them
to take the video dead.

Speaker 7 (32:13):
There's going to be stuff online. Kids have other ways.
There's snapchat. You can't just go on to a kid's
snapchatter for the lead.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
As an example, and I hate to use their name.
We want to get there so soon. As soon as
we see their accounts pop back up, we want them
shut down. It is extremely difficult because they use that
they use those social platforms to target particular cars and
insight for you.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
We've seen them.

Speaker 7 (32:33):
We have all seen it everywhere.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
But what I'm saying is from a Northern Territory police
point of view and government point of view. The minute
those accounts are brought back up and they're using it
for the wrong thing, we want them shut down straight away,
and so we need Meta to come to the table
on that.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
I was just reading a little few things there. Like
Queensland did introduce the harsher penalties and since March this year,
one hundred and forty people in Queensland have been charged
with boast and posting or whatever, and they're also referring
to it's emerging phenomenon and they're calling performance crime like
look at me, I'm committing a crime. And social media
has got some very positive attributes, but it also has
some very negative attraction and terrible. They have to be

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held to account and the Chief Miness to rights and
get some dialogue with someone somewhere. I mean, they also
need to I don't know if metaur own's Instagram, but
it's Instagram as well, because there is a there's been
fight clubs. I won't mention colleges or schools, but they
call them bluck school fight club and that's where they
film themselves bashing up other kids at schools, including in
the rule are and those kind of things need to

(33:30):
be shut down, and you know, so that's the government
needs to look at the education Department of Education, legislation
or something because that's where a lot of these things
start is in the school ground.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
And oh, we've seen, like I have seen so many videos.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
I'm sure that everyone you know, like once you've got
kids or Georgia, you're a bit younger, I mean you're
not school age, that's at all, but you do like
you see all sorts of stuff shared. I've had my
children show me things that I'm utterly mortified by and
you think to yourself, how is that not taken down?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
How the police not notified?

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Or this is where there can be involvement from Australian
federal police because it's exactly in their domain, as we
talked about before, sexual offenses exploitation now using it's Commonwealth legislation,
the telecommunication use to carry ship. That's right. So there
needs to somewhere along the line. If this is happening,
and as it says, it's a phenomenon that it's growing
and increasing and it's influencing young people to commit bad acts,

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then the Empty government and Commonwealth government and perhaps the
other states need to look at this and push it
up the agenda because it's got to be shut down
because it's just a king for them.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
It's absolutely Look, we are going to have to take
a really quick break. You're listening to Mix ONEOW four
nine's three sixty.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
It is the week that was.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
You've just joined us in the studio this morning. We've
got Jered Maylee, Georgie Dickerson, Keesy Epiric and Brent Potter.
Now we know the Northern Territory government and now it'ced
earlier in the week it's going to aim to recruit
an additional two hundred police over the next four years
at a cost of two hundred million dollars in an
effort to bolster the four Brent. We spoke to you
about this yesterday and you confirm that that is on

(35:03):
top of attrition, and we are also going to see
in the desk the Joint Emergency Communications Center based out
at the Peter McCauley Center, an additional twenty five call
takers and CCTV operate on.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Top of the fifty two officers from the Territory Safety
Division we announced in December.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
Silt, I'll start with that, how are you going to
put fifty extra police on evey Considering like over event
one hundred and twenty six resign a year, so that's
what almost one hundred and eighty new cops every year.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
How are you going to do that?

Speaker 5 (35:35):
So just a bit clarify for your listeners, because I
know that the numbers get confused, and Jerry's just done that.
So yes, attrition's about one hundred and twenty two to
one hundred and twenty six years, but the agency recruits
enough officers every year to cover that downward trend.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Now of the two hundred, so many leaves, though surely
keeping tho we.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Should and first and foremost, it is always cheaper in
any business to retain your staff than rehire. What we
do see in those those separation numbers, not all of
them are leaving the force. Some are separating from ACPO
to become consortable, or liquor inspector sorry, PALI, to become confortable.
Some are retirements, So they're not a true reflection of
everyone just separating. But we need to keep more. We

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know that they're over they say they're over work, they've
got stress, you know they're taking stress. Leave. More police
officers will relieve that burden and it will create a
better environment for people to come back to work. Now,
the way that we get those two hundred extra officers,
Joe to your question, there will be more staff that
will be put into the college to increase the through
put to fifty officers extra a year. And for your listeners,
the Territory Safety Division is currently sitting at twenty one

(36:33):
officers and by June this year, because there's a sixty
eight course graduation, they will go to their full complement
of fifty two.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
So how many police officers you're going to put through
the college every year.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Or extra fifty on top of retention?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
How much is that number?

Speaker 5 (36:46):
What is that Retention is going down? Retention has been
going down, So if retention goes down, it's less.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So in the moment's one hundred and twenty six plus
fifty every year.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Well, it's not just funny. It's not one hundred and
twenty six people separating the force. There are people that
are transitioning to different roles within police.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It's still going to go through the college.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
These are two hundred extra officers more than what you
could promise and committed.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
You're still promising two hundred extra officers. But until we
actually see two hundred extra officers on the ground, how
are you going to get them? Because we've been trying
to recruit officers for an.

Speaker 5 (37:16):
We don't have an issue of recruitment.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
We do though, because they're still not talk about you.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
No, it's not an issue with recruitment. We have more
people applying for positions than we have vacancies. When we
do the recruitment, it is around retention. Victoria lost in
the thousands in their police force. WA is the same.
It's a lot bigger, it is, absolutely, but it's a
percent in terms of percentage, it's about similar. We have
the best paid officers in the country. That is one
of the incentives to come up here. We have a
very very good housing allowance for them and they get

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to serve in some of the most nicest parts.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I totally understand. And none of us will be living
here right if we didn't agree with that. None of
us will be living here right now. But the point
was certainly made to me yesterday by a lot of
our listeners saying, Katie, I thought it was there was
a bit of irony in the discussion that you had
with the police minister, in the sense that you know,
in one sentence we're talking about a great place it
is to live and how it would be wonderful to

(38:02):
work here as a police officer, and you know, a
couple of moments later we're talking about a police officer
being injured during an assault out at down Dale and
another officer being stabbed out in what air.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Allegedly no, sorry, not stabbed, spat on. I believe it
was my mistake.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I do apologize, but an assault on the officer out
at what Air when they went to a domestic violence
incident earlier in the week and then someone being spat on,
I thought it was as well.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
I'd have to go and double check that one.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
So just you are right, Tadie. I mean, but every
police jurisdiction, unfortunately is happy that people are not respecting police,
whether it's in the Northern Territory or other jurisdictions. They
are spitting an assaulting police. It's happening across Australia. We
are putting in the best mechanisms we can at the
territory level to keep them here and pay is one
of them, but the other one is health and well being.
We put three million dollars in. The Commission made a
point that he's doing everything he can to change the

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culture and get the you know, at times up to
two hundred, it's about one fifty of our officers that
are currently off on leave back to work. So just
to clarify, if we get the two hundred plus the
fifty two from the Territory Safety Division on the deck
in four years and we get one hundred and fifty
hours is back to work. That's a huge net increase
of available resources, said from Bobs, that's to the.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Welcome been in power for eight years. Why have we
got where we are? Why do we need this so quickly?
Is because Later's policies have failed territorial So we're an
election year. We know that, and they without making promises
about two pieces which I have to be at better
robbery numbers. So ultimately, why have we got eight years
of labor downhill and now we're going to pick it

(39:35):
all in mine?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Year's certainly been around long enough to remember the promise
of one hundred and twenty police officers by Terry.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Mills and how bloody hard that was to get there exactly,
you know. So it's like it's one of those things.
But also every single year.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
That we get told, oh we can't tell you the
exact number, and the number in the annual report is
actually different to what it is from day to day
because people are.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Sick and.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Inside of the police fifty five officers.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Remember the year before last when you say your own
report said fifty five less officers.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
I can't talk about the police who comes out Tuesday.
It will come at Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday morning. I'm
still working through that, and I said to be completely
public in there. It is very clear what governments have
committed in terms of resources, what they haven't delivered, the
one hundred and twenty that our government actually did deliver it,
and that we delivered more than one hundred and twenty
in the eight years that we've had So I know
your point, Jared, but we had to deliver the one
twenty you didn't, and I think we have a trecord

(40:28):
track record of delivering. It's one of those days. We
have a track record of delivering police officers, and we're
going to deliver two hundred more plus the fifty two
that's the team on the web.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Mate. Yeah that either.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not buying all these numbers, you know,
Like I can remember the one hundred and twenty how
under Terry Mills, and I can remember this two hundred, don't.
I'll believe it when I see it. Let's put it away. Yes,
the more police you can get, the better. What we're
not looking at and considering is the nature of the work.
I was speaking to someone recently, the elected and she's retired,
firing out of the public sector, and her husband is

(41:02):
a policeman and he retired a year before whatever, And
she said, it's a tough gig, you know, so I
take my hat off to look. Every police person has
a tough gig because you've got to see things you
wish you could unsee things, you know, car accidents, some
shooting and suicides, whatever. But what I think has happened
up here is the nature of the work has changed
so much that that's why there is attrition, Like why

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would you want to go to work every day with
a full knowledge that you're probably going to be spat
on and have something.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Chucked at you, or to be white and the people
every week that would you know, that would be demoralizing stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
That's what needs to change as well.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Kate.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
It's fine to find resources of money to put me
people on the beat, because let's be honest, you know,
the presence of a police if you're a little bit dodgy,
is a deterrent. You see a speed camerap ahead, you
slow down.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Somebody have a message through and said, what about the
thirty extra police that were that were promised for Alice
Springs earlier last.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Year was come to fruition.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
They're in the pipe for the college, So we can
only put so many throughout the time. You've got people
in the college right now that will be going down
our springs.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
To fill those thirty So how long did that take?

Speaker 5 (42:09):
Well, from the fund I have to come back. And
the difference is when the funding is made a valuable
by the federal government, so we won't hire anyone unless
we have fundings. So the funding's coming through and he's
being trickled through for the positions that we reit recruit,
so they're in the college at the moment, they'll go
down there. And I think Katie, in addition to that,
you're going to see twenty five palies converted countables by June,
on top of the thirty that will be in our.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Springs and the next Pali course coming.

Speaker 5 (42:33):
Well, this is I love talking Palace Pali's jering because.

Speaker 6 (42:36):
It's actually is actually apologies that actually works. It worked,
and you're taking him off and you're not replacing them.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
There we go, that's a great it sounds great, Jerry,
But what you failed to understand it true.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
You failed to understand over the top of each other.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
What you fail to understand and you just can't recognize
when this government does something good. Those twenty five officers
were going to leave and go to the full thirty
two course constable course, they would have not been Palis.
What we've said to them is do the expertise to
Pali course sixteen weeks and we'll put your back on
the bottle shop. But outside of that you can go
and do normal policing duties.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
The reality say, people were screaming.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
At the government to everything that happened in Alice Springs,
so we're screaming out going, please just put the Palis back.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
The problem is.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
The problem is, and Jared Wine admit this, it's it's
the no win solution for both of these. If we
didn't do it, the Palis would have walked off the
job and gone and done something else. You would have
had no one. And if we do it now we
have a short period of pain unfortunately, and we get
them back on the bottle shop. Now. I've had a
chat to Congress and a couple of the others when
I went down to Alice Springs. We're going to look
at some options around how we can get better coverage.
But there is the twenty five percent cap rule that

(43:38):
is in place for those grocery stores. We've got the
buy back.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
Happening, and so you're going to buy back any of those.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
I would love to see some of those that engage
you just come back to the table and have an
actual dialogue again, because I think we can find a
middle ground.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
All Right, We're going to have to take a really
quick break before we wrap up this morning. I am
keen to just just talk about the fact that there
is another Code yellow that's been declared at the Darwin
and Palmerston hospitals after a week after the last one
lifted so into healthy. It's due to a significant increase
in patient admissions. The internal emergency allows for measures to

(44:10):
be enacted to ease pressure on the system and manage capacity.
It does seem as though we sort of slip from
one to the next very often at this point in time.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
Like I said at the beginning of the show, themes
that the whole North tu in chaos on the labor
government no matter what. Secondly, if you talk about crime,
you talk about education, and you talk about health and
unfortunately the evidence that backs it up.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Okatie, I'm sure they keep data the hospitals on admissions
and time of injuries and patient patient information. But I
think there's other issues that contribute to this overloading of
the hospital system for the beds, and that's that's the
old people and the who don't they're not it's not
quite sick enough to stay in a hospital, but they
do stay in hospital because there's nowhere for them to go.

(44:50):
So it's and I know age care is a Commonwealth responsibility,
but we really do.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
It's managed by the Labor government.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Extra beds not only for public patients, but age care
for people who can afford. So that's that's part of
the issue.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
And also in other states you see a lot of
like I've got family in Perth and also in North
Queen Zone where there is a lot more and I
know there's a bit of it here, but there is
a lot more in terms of that supported home so
nurses going around time.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
So I've worked in age care CAD. I was an
assistant manager in one of the facilities, the home care packages.
There's not enough of them. The federal government needs to
put more into it and want to see people aging
in their residence first and foremost, because unfortunate people are
going to residential care. That that is the start, and
it is congested. Now it is a federal government responsibility.
On a J's like, well, they give the territory government money. Correct,
and guess what we're doing. We put the EOI out

(45:42):
to build a new residential age care facility and we'll
have more to say on that as we go through budget. No,
there was an that went Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
A cool linger and that got withdrawn again.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Well what about the Parmestan hospital or Zuger hole and
filled it in mate, We have to deliver it.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
That my most interesting days on the day there. Yeah,
it was very interesting.

Speaker 6 (46:12):
It's funny we're talking about poor territory and here absolutely
under chaos, under siege.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Well, but you know what they want from you, Jared.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
They want to hear and that's I think what we're
going to have to hear over the coming months anyway.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
But they won't do it. They won't do it because
they love their three slogans. Tough on crime, bring back
the economy, take back the streets. There's no policy there,
there's no policy.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
I'd love to put a bit into the major parties. Yes,
the pensioner scheme is the five hundred dollars a year
that you used a sixty five and you can use
for rates and power bills and all that sort of stuff.
And it is going up by fifty dollars the first
of July. We had so mun to talk them just
both parties need to put it up higher because the
rates from councils are going up and they're struggling. So
go from five fifty to go to about seven hundred.

(46:55):
There you go, major parties.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
I think there was already an answered by code around that,
and we have increase.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
People want to.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Retire to young.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Look, we are going to have to wrap up for
the morning. Jared Mailey from the CELP, thanks so much
for your time this morning. Thanks Katie Georgie from Channel nine,
thank you so much for your time this morning.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Thank you having good weekend Tezy appearing. Thank you Katie
shout out.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Jared knows about this. Are you playing Polo cross Carnival
this weekend down at fritz past.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I'm going to, so I'm going filling for my brother,
have me riding my horse.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Much too busy both days that Frintz Pastor is about
behind where the markets are fast action it's going to
be yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
And Brent Potter, thank you for your time to follow that,
get your horse, we could ride it a rodeo.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
That a trumpet.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
Listen, no one needs to say, No one needs to
see me on one of those.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Well we are going to have to do