The Week That Was – 12th April 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well it is no doubt going to be a big show.
And joining us in the studio this morning. From the
Labor Party Minister Kate Warden, Good morning to.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You, morning Katy, Good morning to your listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
We've got Kathleen Casola from nine years Star and good
morning it has it's been a while, welcome back. And
we've got keys Heer Puic the Independent member for going
he good morning, Keezier.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Morning Katy, Morning bush people.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
And from the colp Mary Claire Booth me good.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Morning to you, Good morning listeners.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
And I'll tell you what. It's been a busy week.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
It feels like every week is a busy week at
the moment, but it is an election year, so I
suppose that is always the case.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
It's busy every day.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
She does.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
She cares about her electric She also.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Looks ten years younger.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
She dropped me and stick around.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Much of the world is off your shoulders. Well, look,
there is so much to cover off this morning. But
the long awaited police review was indeed released. It's been
in the making for around seven months, conducted by former
police officer and head of the union Vince Kelly, and
it made eighteen recommendations. Now fifteen of those recommendations out
of that review were accepted by the Lawla led government.

(01:15):
They don't accept the recommendation to reduce palis or the
discontinuation of private security. The government also didn't accept the
recommendation that private a private company be used to transport prisoners. Now,
the COLP was of the same view when I spoke
to the Opposition leader Lea Finocchio earlier in the week,
but the Chief Minister had said that they need to

(01:36):
take a common sense approach to keep the community safe.
She described it as a landmark report and said that
there will be a team which works on those recommendations
to ensure that they are implemented. Look, there is no
doubt that this is something that I think everybody's been
waiting really to see this police review, waiting to see

(01:57):
you know, just how short we are when it comes
to some of those numbers, why we are short, and
really what work needs to get underway to make sure
that we've got a strong police force, that we have
got a police force that is supported so that we
don't have officers leaving or on extended sick leave, and
that also they're able to actually get out to some

(02:20):
of the terrible incidents that we're seeing across the Northern territory.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I think Katie.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Obviously I was the Police minister at the time when
I was able to sit down with Vince and ask
him to do that review. In fact, I remember very
well meeting him in Canberra actually because that's where he
was located, but knowing that he had that distance from
the territory, but he also had that experience, relevant experience,
and he was really keen to help us out. And
I think we can acknowledge he's done a really good job.
He hasn't put out, you know, two hundred and fifty recommendations.

(02:47):
He's given eighteen quite straightforward recommendations to government and of
course we have accepted fifteen of those and we're heading towards.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
What this does though, it stops the back and.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Forth between how many do we need, what's the right
num without based on data.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
So there's some data, the figure of a one hundred
and twenty extra police that we needed, but then it
was still talked about in twenty twenty and we could
to which number.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Was suctional number or not data.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I get the numbers figures, but around the two hundred
it is based on data, and it's about meeting that
community expectation, but also what's driving that the you know,
the investment into the desk, so we've got more call
takers so those calls can be taken within an appropriate
amount of time, which was one of the things that
as Police minister that concerned me well around that, but

(03:41):
also then having them then you match that up with
how many vans do you actually need in the on
the road in what locations and what's the deficit in
remote If you get that right, you haven't got people
continuously circling through.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
And I think what Vince has.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Done here is deliver a super report that's based on
data that gives us the evidence that says, yeah, you
need them, but this is where you need them, and
that implementation team will work that through a bit more.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Now, look, I can actually totally accept the fact that
the recommendations around the palis and also the security hasn't
been accepted by the Northern Territory government at this point
in time. I think in an ideal world, we will
get you to the point where we may not need
palis on bottle shops and where we may not need
that support of private security, but that's unfortunately not the
world that we're living in the Northern Territory at this

(04:25):
point in time.

Speaker 7 (04:26):
Yeah, that's right, Katie, and I think I mean this
review it is almost it's been so long in the making,
Like the CLP has called in Parliament seven times for
the review over the last four years, and of course
it was voted down every time. But the concerns that
we have is that the review what the review did
not consider, and that's the fact that there's a negative

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impact that government policy is having on our police force.
Lea clearly stated the other day that you know, we
don't have a broken police force, we actually have a
broken government because it's the role of other departments that
need to play a supporting role for a safe community
and that hasn't been addressed in the review. And it
also seeds that it's been labor have deliberately designed this

(05:11):
to a review to avoid the scrutinknee on there. I mean,
it's critical become the Chief Minister was the Treasurer who
oversaw the budget.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Was not designed that way.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
It didn't include sort of having a look at policy
settings because I think it's so but in some ways,
things like the you know just to like to look
at the very obvious one, right, like the age of
criminal responsibility. For example, the police are still being called
out to incidents where there are children involved. Obviously that
under are under the age of twelve years old, so

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it is taking their resources. It is obviously you know
there is a police response required. But then you know
the police in a lot of cases are then taking
children home to a responsible adult. So it is then
taking up police resources that some might argue, well could
territory families. Once you arrive at an incident where a
child that is under the age of twelve years old,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Even if you're talking about so it is happening.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
So it is happening, So we're not utilizing police resources
in any way, shape orfore.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
So those kids that are under the age of criminal.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Respectabilities come out and a correspond to model. Now, but
we're we're trialing it.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You're trialing it's very different to it happening. So that's
where the question I think about whether that policy should
have been.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Happening in its werings, Katie. To be fair, it's happening
in other springs and we're trialing it. What you do
you trial those things and if they work, then you
roll them out.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
But can you see how we are going to how
the COLP is asking why some of those different policies.
So that's just one of example why those different policies
weren't being looked at as well as part of the
review because because that was the it came in to. Actually,
but they are going to impact on police resources.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
But the review does talk about the fact that police
need to work across and that and actually somewhat slightly
critical of police not working across as well as it
can with other agencies. So it's not just a one
way street, it's a back and forth street. And you
know a lot of the police that I've dealt with
over my time as Police Minister are very very keen
to make sure and strengthen those relationships with NGOs.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
That's really clear.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
The trial for.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
The corresponder model, we believe that that's very successful. Police
are very pleased with that. We're doing the same with
DV services down in Alice Springs too. We're going to
trial a model where we have a social worker working
with them that works with the victim, not just the
other the perpetrator. Those models have to be worked through
and if they work, you resource them. And so the
one in Alice Springs we bear lev is working and

(07:37):
we're now looking to see how we can roll that
out further. So it is a cross agency.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
But do you see areologing what you've said like that
it's being trial but it's something that the government's then
reviewing whether it works or not. It's not actually it's
not independently being looked at as to whether it works
or not.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
So that's where I take on.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
But it's in the number.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
It's in the outcome, So where the people that are
responding and doing that work.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So to us, actually we had twelve kids last night.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
All of those kids, we went back and today we're
working with those families and we know what those issues are.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
That's a success.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Extern aren't really showing that it's a success because even
yesterday we've got a situation where you've got two eleven
year old boys up here in Darwood who.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Being old here and necessarily in that space.

Speaker 5 (08:19):
So it doesn't so just in our let me be clear,
no matter what we do, that doesn't mean crime is
going to be zero. There's nowhere across the world where
crime is going to be zero in your that's.

Speaker 8 (08:32):
Going to be zero.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
But no one expects to eleven year old boys to
walk on smith Stod.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's an axe.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So absolutely not good enough.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I think that's the point that we're all at right now,
right where you go, I get it.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
It needs to be an.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
Intervention not only with that child but also with that family.
And I can assure you, as a territory former territory
families minister, those interventions are there. Including and people say
I just take those kids out of them. We remove
children all time here in the Northern Territory. It's not
something that we're proud of, but sometimes you have to
and you have to put those kids in intervention programs
and work with them, and if they then reoffend and

(09:10):
they're twelve, they will go into and be incarcerated.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
And that is the system and it does work.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
So yes, you can isolate a system where you're talking
about two eleven year olds and that's not good enough.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
None of us think it is, Katie.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
But we're rolling out the corresponding model and we will
roll that out all over the place.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
So it is a good response model.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
And that's what the police review does talk about that
we need more collaboration between agencies.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
All let others have their say, otherwise it'll just be
the Cat and Kate show.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
So go for it, guys.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I will communicate Mike.

Speaker 9 (09:40):
I would take my comments back to the review. In general,
it's not just similar to what's happened with teachers in
our school systems these modern days, is that there's an
expectation that.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
They'll do more than just teach.

Speaker 8 (09:52):
They'll look after.

Speaker 9 (09:54):
I don't know, general wellbeing, mental health, or teach them
how to use knives and forks or whatever. So it's
more than just teaching, or there's an expectation that the
teacher will do so much more than what they're employed
to do. And I think that's happened with the police
as well. So you know, you're putting police on bottle shops,
you're putting police taking people here.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
There and everywhere.

Speaker 8 (10:13):
Pleasing with the reduction of respect.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
That's right, with reduction of spect.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Now.

Speaker 9 (10:17):
I had a briefing from Vince Kelly and appreciative and
it was good, and I've read parts of the report,
but I personally don't have an issue with his recommendations
about letting a contractor or a private company transferred prisoners,
because look, you look at the remote communities like the
Undamus or Papunyas or I don't know anywhere for that matter,
Ali Kurung or whatever. That ties up a lot of

(10:38):
police resources when they have to take a person from
that community to alice or tenant for a watchhouse or
for court or whatever, when it could be quite efficiently
and effectively done by private enterprise. Now we know that
when things are outsourced to private enterprise, they get done
more effectively and more efficiently. That's just the nature of
bureocracy versus private enterprise. So I personally don't have an
issue with that because I think it's a win win

(10:58):
situation for both government and resort courses and police and
of course the private enterprise. Palis on bottle shop, police
on bottle shop. That's a more complex and complicated situation.
I get that given problems that we have in our
community with the sale and consumption of alcohol, but again
I think that some of that responsibility can be shifted
back to the private enterprise. And I'm not saying it's
their fault that people abuse the product that they buy. However,

(11:21):
there should be some talk about how do we do
it better?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
And if you free up those police resources. See what
happens with.

Speaker 9 (11:27):
The Palace and other springs talking about you know the
palies do there, I don't know how long. Let's have
Botle shops revening for four hours and other springs. Yeah,
so they do their four hour stint. Then what do
they do? Because that's why that so then what you know?
So you know, there's there's ways, I think, and I
think Vince Kelly and his team have looked at it
from a very practical logical sense of what is the

(11:47):
better system efficiently wise and effective wise. Efficiency is about delivery,
effectiveness about saving money for the outcome for the territory.
And I personally don't have an issue and I think
if I explain that to people, I don't think people
out there will have a problem with it as well.
So I'm not sure why the government has a problem
with looking at out sourcing some of these.

Speaker 10 (12:05):
It's an election yet also noted it not we haven't
completely We've noted it because I think from our point
of view, it just needs more work.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
There's it's a bit more than just transporting a prisoner
between two locations. Training and legislative change, and you would
correct then be putting that out into the private sector
in it.

Speaker 10 (12:24):
But the government and the chief that in the role
out of this review, given it was obviously a dripford
over several days or a week or so, that there
has actually been money put up to it. Absolutely at
the starting point. It's not just here's the review.

Speaker 8 (12:40):
We'll look at it.

Speaker 10 (12:41):
We've got the budget coming up and then we'll let
you know how much there has actually been money allocated.
It's not the entire amount of what had been recommended,
but we all know what the budget situation is, so
of course you have to sort.

Speaker 8 (12:54):
Of play that game.

Speaker 10 (12:55):
But in terms of the policy settings and that kind
of thing, Cay you mentioned it wasn't the emit of
the resources, but the government can make that call and
could have put it in because it is your review.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
But we did want to review in resourcing and resourcing
was the most important part. But you could still the
review does talk about The review talks about policy settings
like palis and the first responders, all of those sorts
of things. It does talk about them, and it talks
about needing to make sure that agencies work better together,
which we've heard many many It does talk about times before,
and it still blows my mind that that still needs

(13:28):
to be recommended and it's not already.

Speaker 9 (13:30):
Part of this.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
These agencies are big boundations, and we have got co location,
we've got territory family stuff sitting in with police, We've
got police working and I can tell you in the
DV space for the first time ever, we've got police
fully immersed in that and.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
They're rolling out training.

Speaker 10 (13:44):
And I think that's a fantastic model. Absolutely that it's
brilliant and extremely important. The sector loves the police being
in that casement start work.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
In silos is still it's quite unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
But look, I think the other thing is fundamentally, people
do want to see more police on the ground. There
is no doubt about that. I mean, you look at
Alice Springs right now, and we'll get to that shortly,
but you look at Alice Springs right now and the
difference that the curfew and also the additional police on
the ground has had. It shows you that when there
are boots on the ground, when people can see police

(14:16):
around the place, it does make one heck of a difference.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
There is no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
But the other, you know, the other thing that we
speak about time and time again, week over, day over
is the crime and what's going on in the community
when it comes to crime. So we want to make
sure that the police have got the resources required to
be able to tackle that crime. But there is no
doubt that there are people within the community who don't
feel that the policy settings are.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right, and that's at the moment, Madie.

Speaker 7 (14:45):
The review does talk about resources, and of course both
Labor and the CLP have largely accepted most of those recommendations,
but the CLP strongly believe that the recommendations to any
government in this in the way we're living our society
right now, literally living in fear, worrying so much about
what's happening because we know it is happening. We need

(15:06):
to be strengthening the laws. The police need to be
given the powers to do their very important job to
be able to serve and protect. I don't know how
many organizations, the community, the Seal Peak and everybody else
has been talking about the fact that these laws need
to be strengthened, things like stronger bail laws like you know,
going back to the age of communal responsibility so that
these youths can actually be dealt with by the courts

(15:28):
and they can be compulsorily sentenced to something which is
going to change their life beyond crime. They cannot continue
to keep going out and doing what they're doing. Meen
eight years ago when this government was elected, those children
are now probably adults, you know, and it just we've
seen it got worse and worse. I mean, the crime
stats speak for themselves.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, all of these.

Speaker 7 (15:47):
Things have just been let to continue along the same path.
There's been no policy changes over eight years to be
able to keep our community safe. And that's what is
completely missing from all the conversations you have with.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
The Well, look, there is I mean, there is a
lot of work that still needs to happen. All you've
got to do is go for a walk around town
and you can certainly see that. You can see the
anti social behavior, you can see the issues that we're
dealing with. But I also want to just touch on
for a moment as well, because we know that this
review has indeed taken place and the recommendations handed down

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earlier earlier.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
In the week.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
All the while we know that the Australian newspaper also
reporting just a couple of days ago well, yesterday I
think it was that the Northern Territory Police Commissioner, well,
the ABC reporting this one this morning, said that he
was expecting more racist material to surface from within the
Northern Territory Police after reports an image of a black
Monopoly board game was emailed around the force in two

(16:46):
thousand and eight. Now the Australian newspaper first report of
the image, depicting a mock Monopoly board game. Every property
square marked go to jail. So this was in the
Australian yesterday, I think it was. It's now sort of
been widely reported around the place. Was a recommendation within
the review as well, I believe Kate correct me if
I'm wrong. Around around policing and indigenous police officers and

(17:13):
how we sort of well, you know, how do you
make sure that you're supporting offices but also give that
policing isn't done in a culturally appropriate way.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
And so as Police Minister, one of the excellent things
about being in that role was getting out to remote
police stations and into our regions and often coming across
our Abiginal liaison officers and I have to tell you
one hundred percent they make a difference where we have
Aboriginal liaison officers, and that's reflected in.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
The review, the amount of quiet and communities.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Are able to go out basically be mediators in their
own communities and do that role.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
They're brilliant.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
So the investment and that I think going back, Jamie
Chalker had a really strong focus on Aboriginal recruitment and
he did a really good He kicked that off and
I know that Murphy is very keen to keep recruiting
Aboriginal liaison off in that space.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
I mean, that does make the difference.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
They know the nuance is in a community, They understand
who actually is in a position of leadership.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean, Keys, you've been around for a very long time.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
You get that stuff too. And keeping communities where a
community is settled, you'll often find a community mediator, whether
it's formal or informal, that's doing all of that work
on the ground to make a difference. So absolutely it
was a really good recommendation.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Do you accept that or do you know?

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Do you accept the discussion that's happening at the moment
around the Northern Territory with some people feeling that there
is systemic racism within the Northern Territory.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
To walk around with your eyes closed if you didn't
realize there was systemic racism.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Of course, there's systemic racism in so many different ways
and barriers for people.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, it's across the country, it's across the world, and
something that as a government you have to keep unpacking.
And these revelations very very disheartening. Makes it incredibly sad
because certainly it's not the way I grew up, and
I grew up in a very multicultural kind of society
and up.

Speaker 9 (18:58):
Here we've at school with abigal kids and also these
kids and couples, I think a couple of Portuguese from
Portuguesee teams of the.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Daytory is a melting part of that.

Speaker 9 (19:07):
But this is two thousand and eight, and I'm not
saying what is shown is good at all.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Don't know you wrong, it's unacceptable.

Speaker 9 (19:14):
The people who are around then, I bet you them
London to a brick won't be around now. Those twenty
five the people who said it, for people who received it,
because it's such a turnover in police as we know,
and just employment generally, that's two or five years or they're.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
About to so disappointing.

Speaker 9 (19:26):
So it's happened, Acknowledge it's happened, deal with it and
make sure it doesn't happen again. But to labor and
to continue to go on, I just say those people
won't be around, they'll be in life around.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
There's a National Commissioner against Racism. Hello, of course, racism
stands around, and we've got to make sure that you
cut it out from every level that you can.

Speaker 9 (19:44):
If there's more, well there's more, and the police commissioner
and others will have to deal with it if.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
It comes to light, and well, look that's a sad reality.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
We might take a quick break because there is still
so much to cover off. I am keen to talk
about the situation in Alice Springs in just a moment's
time to mix one oh four point nine three sixty.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
It is the week that was.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
If you've just joined us this morning, well it is
an all female lineup. We've got Kate Water, We've got
Kathleen Gazola, Kezier Purica, Marie Claire Boothby. Now we know
that on Tuesday afternoon, the Northern Territory Chief Minister announts
that she'd be extending the youth curfew in Alice Springs
for a further six dates. The extension covers the entire
school holidays, with crime dramatically decreasing according to local leaders.

(20:27):
The governments say that they're going to continue those updates
on the longer.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Term plans in Alice Springs.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
In fact, as I understand it, the Chief Minister there
today about a little bit later this morning announcing some
of those longer term plans. But we also know a
group of ten South Australian Police officers have been sworn
in or they're about to be, or have been into
no into the Northern Territory Police Force to assist the

(20:53):
police there. Look from all accounts, there has been, like
I think it's been quite a pause, a positive move
in the sense that locals are really receiving some respite
at this point in time in Alice. The Chief Minister
saying to me on the show earlier this week that
she's wondering how, really, past Tuesday, how she can sort

(21:17):
of keep the impacts or the effects of a curfew
in place post Tuesday without having to have a curfew
in place.

Speaker 10 (21:24):
That'll be the difficult that'll be the extremely difficult thing.
I think there is no question the curfew had to
continue given school holidays and obviously Parchure myselts down there tonight.
We saw issues with Parchmer last year with some kids
running them up down there, which really impacts that tourism product,
so I think that they had to extend it. But yeah,

(21:44):
I mean it's going to be extremely difficult because obviously
those South Australian police can't stay down there. Of course
those pally's, those then new constables. No doubt we'll head
back there once they're they're trained up. But still we
are seeing certain issues on the fringes of that curfew
with young people, so it'll be very interesting to see
what plays out because there had already been things in

(22:06):
place in the town where kids who were found on
the streets in the night were meant to be already
taken back to safe places and not being on the streets.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So I think in part, you know, I've just been
to Alice myself.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
I went down to actually chat with the DV services
and see the impact of the curfew on that because
there was a lot of rhetoric going around about you
know that dv's down and all those sorts of things.

Speaker 11 (22:29):
So I thought, what did you find because you were
very anti curfew.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Yeah, no, so evidence show tells you that police end
up being And so when I was speaking out in
my role as police minister, I'll be very clear about this,
the advice from the police at the time is they
didn't want to curfew because they felt that they would
be just transporting kids home all the time and they
would become a transport.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I mean, we've got the point that and good on Eva.

Speaker 5 (22:51):
She dug herself in and said no and back to
herself and said, let's give it a go. Let's give
anything a go because we need to have a short circuit.
And it has given that breaker. And it's really to see,
to be honest, that people are taking back that CBD
area and young seeing groups of young women out, seeing
groups of you know, families out, the fact that you
need to going out and having restaurants and stuff like

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that really taking back that CBD. So it's worked from
that perspective, and I also understand from chatting to people
that there's lots of really positive interactions between police and
young people on the fringes that you're talking about.

Speaker 8 (23:23):
Government have given it a crack earlier lots of work.

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Well, the evidence told you and the police didn't want
it cut. So I'm not going to go and at
the time you make a decision, when you're a minister,
you make a decision based on what you've got ahead
of you.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
We do you understand what the evidence was or where
the evidence was coming from. Those now it shows that it's.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
Worked, But you can't even see the local member of
Robin Lamley was for a curfew, was against curfew, and
there's lots of them. She against it for a long time.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
You can see when she was.

Speaker 8 (23:50):
A longer she's been in favor.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
But when she was in government she said no to
a curfew. She changed her mind and then she's gone back. Look,
everybody can change their mind and can.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Be honest, you can. Actually I'm going to own it.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
I did get the advice at the time not to
do it, and I didn't do it. We've done it
now and would retrospectively, would I have liked to have
done it back then?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Absolutely, if with if this was the.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
Outcome, I'm not going to sit here and say you
know one hundred percent right all the time.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's a minister's tafe advice and that's what I took
at the time.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And as the minister now still for for Family and
Domestic violence, have you seen a reduction now?

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Well, what's what are you as a.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Time like on data, Katie, And I'm going to wait
to see the data to talk with any authority, but
I'm talking to the services down there and that's what I.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Did last week.

Speaker 5 (24:33):
They are still seeing a large number of women in
their services right as we are up here. So the
overall thing for me is to get more money into
the pot and keep funding really good early intervention services
like Men's Behavior change, which we're looking at and analyzing
and making sure it works.

Speaker 10 (24:51):
Have they been able to see more police response to
certain calls for help because some of those officers may
have been tied up in the CBD dealing it found
of that end.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Yeah, So that's police data, so we'll see that and
there's always a lag on that because it comes through weirdly.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Through the Attorney General.

Speaker 8 (25:07):
That has been a positive in that aspect.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Yet they're not seeing an escalation, which is one of
the things you don't want to see, is it pushed
to the side and then an escalation of DV on
places because people are in those spaces, and whilst we
know that we saw a reduction in DV for things
like COVID, what we found is it wasn't being reported
and people in the family unit work experiencing.

Speaker 7 (25:26):
Yeah, I think that's why, you know, we've called for
the curfew to be extended for a few more weeks
because you really do need that data.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
It's very hard to capture a.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Set of data to see if it's working or not
if in that time we had those changes of paleis
on bottle shops, et cetera, which we know does have
an impact. So that's why we call for it to
be extended. So far that that has been the case,
it's going to be Tuesday, and it is really important
that we have that data so we can do exactly
what Cave is talking about it and seeing what's working
and what's not. But what I find really interesting in
this whole mix is that you know, Alice Springs in particular,

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like it has been literally burning down to the ground
for some time now, and this problem has been it's
been labor that's created this this crime crisis down there,
and then they come in you know, the last minute
just before an election and they do this snap curfew
for just a few short weeks. It's kind of like,
you know, burning down your house and then Eva coming

(26:19):
out with a garden hose to put it out.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Like, look, I get what you're saying, but what i've
what I do think the Chief Minister did, and and
you know many listening this morning would argue that the
former Chief ministers didn't, is that she actually she stood
up to the loud naysayers and said, do you know what,
I'm going to give this a crack, regardless of good
of what common sense approach.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
I'm going to take it.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
You know, I'm going to take this approach, and not
everybody's going to like it, but the people of Alice
Springs deserve it.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
So I'll give her credit for that.

Speaker 9 (26:48):
What the curf you said was people under the age
of eighteen should not be in this area between these
hours unless you have a good reason.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
So I figure out there if you're a company by
an adult, or you're coming by an adut.

Speaker 9 (26:58):
So if you're just going your normal business for whatever reason,
you too grown ups two seventy year olds going out
for lunch or dinner together, whatever, and you can tell
the police. Then they'll probably say we'll hurry up, get
there in your home or whatever. But I think what
I observed them from talking to some people down there
is it did tend to push the crime out of
that area.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Because I know in the India we're not seeing that.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I'm not I'm not hearing that we're seeing that.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
But in the industrial area there was breakings and car
thefts down swith Street.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
There were these releases, I'd say.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Because that wasn't the curfew area, So I'm not the
client just didn't disappear if it went out and those
young people had to go home or stay home in
a safe place. So I think we've got to be
a bit careful, like you're gathering data from CBD curfew
kind of area, but there was still crime happening outside
of that, to be.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Looking at the data as well from outside, I would hope.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
So, because I think it's a really clear point, Can
I make a quick point.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
We live in an age of social medium and I
think we can all acknowledge that that it's changed the
face of politics, and you know all not just here
in the Northern Territory but everywhere. What this has done
is also not given the kid the opportunity to be
in that free Wi Fi area in the CBD. And
it's something that I've been raising for a while because
if you cut a do off, what happens then is
that there's a safety issue for people being able to

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call out. But when you push the kids out of
that CBD and you're allowing it to come back to
some normality, what happens then is you've got no they've
got no ability to brag about what they've done. And
I think that partly played into what we saw going on.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
There's going to be people listening this morning thinking to themselves,
if that's the case, why.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Didn't you do it?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Because the advice was not but even with.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
The WiFi, and I mean, it's sort of when you
look at.

Speaker 11 (28:35):
It and still and that's what doesn't get me from
the government.

Speaker 8 (28:38):
Now, why are we not already.

Speaker 10 (28:40):
Introducing this posting and boasting laws when we've seen New
South Wales, I've already done it, Queensland we're talking about it.
Why is the chief Minister writing to matter what Zuckerberg
is going to look at his email and go, oh,
the chief minister in a non territory.

Speaker 11 (28:52):
I better respond to that before we introduce this legislation.

Speaker 8 (28:55):
Introduce the legislation and an email Marks Kabug, you have
that conversation. We already know the issues.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Now you can do it.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
You can.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
We're assuming that we don't and we could.

Speaker 8 (29:08):
Pass say that.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
I interviewed the Chief Minister about this a couple of
weeks ago. She said to me that it would be
part of the review into youth justice. So that's the
end of the year. So that's not fast enough.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
That's not as fast as the community Monday and.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Make all of those changes.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
We've brought on urgency many many times before, and we've
made snap changes. It is absolutely possible if anyone. I'm
sure territories aren't fools. They know things can be done.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
And they're not think anybody would be opposed to it. Hey,
I actually think that like every territorium would think to themselves,
do you know what this is a good idea? If
you've got kids that are sharing, that are sharing vision
of stealing cars, Yes, why don't we.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
Take a step forward and get on top.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Of it across your social media?

Speaker 9 (29:55):
Because I think I mentioned this previously or somewhere. It's
on Instagram too, and.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
There's fight I won't absolutely won't mention those.

Speaker 9 (30:02):
Names and colleges, but they're there, and yes you can
report it, but there should be some law that says
take that down, you kids, or else you're going to
get charged with X y Z.

Speaker 10 (30:11):
And it's so difficult to get any actual help for
the police from Facebook or Meta whoever they are now
because it gets deleted if you don't provide a certain
IP address, if you don't do XYZ. So if the
legislation is in place, then you can already start making
those around now.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
I do just want to make mention as well.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
While discussing the situation in Alice, springstt Marian Scrimjaw was
on Sky News a bit earlier this week. She called
for change in government legislation to designate organizations in the
Northern Territory so they can be subject to scrutiny over
how they spend funding from the federal government. So as
we know, the two hundred and fifty million dollar package
for Alice in Central Australia was revealed in the federal

(30:50):
budget last year, with those plans to improve education, health
and infrastructure. However, questions have persisted on how the funding
has been put to use.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
So far, with youth crime remaining on the rise as
we know now.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
On Wednesday, Marian Scrimdaw said that she'd reached out to
the Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney as well as the
Attorney General Mark Drefers to adjust the Public Governance, Performance
and Accountability Act.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
So she said she's written to them to.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Take a look at tweaking that Act to get greater
accountability for all organizations, not just land councils, but all
organizations that receive government funding that they move under that legislation,
which has oversight from the Order to General. She said
she thinks that it needs to start happening because this
is taxpayer's money. It comes from the federal government and

(31:40):
there needs to be greater accountability in there.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yes, it's interesting, isn't it, because this is federal government money,
and in Central Australia, the federal government has chosen to
direct fund organizations, so if they're putting some money out,
they're directly funding and so then the Northern Territory government
has no visibility over that unless they tell us about it,
and often you'll hear about it in and out.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
That's the way these things roll.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
There is a coordinated plan for that money and it's
been done between two officers. But the federal government is
managing their own money and putting it directly into the community.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
When we have funds going.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Out, we do have an accountability piece with it, and
they have to equit that funds in accordance with the grant.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
That they get.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
KPIs to meet absolutely.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
And every grant that goes out.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
So if you've got someone like Gap Youth Center in
Alice Springs, if you've got any of those services the Jesuits,
they have to provide a feedback and.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Data around what they're delivering on the ground in Alice Springs.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
It's unbelievable that that's not in place the federal government.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
They would want to be looking at that very closely
because it's there with us, and you have to acquit
every fund bit of funding that goes to your organizations.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Will it is so, I mean, I was a bit
amused by it as well.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
I thought, wow, really that should have been in place
before the two fifty hit the ground, and now they're
in that situation.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
But they have chosen they could have.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Aspiced the Northern Territory government to deliver it in sight areas,
not in all areas, out into particular areas, but they haven't.
They've decided to direct fund and that's their decision because
it's their money. But I would want to have some
oversight about where it's being spent too.

Speaker 7 (33:11):
There is so much federal funding though that comes into
the territory that does go to the Northern Territory government.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
For you to we quit it, how you need to?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
So can we acquit it?

Speaker 8 (33:20):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (33:20):
So if you're acquitting it and you are saying it's
going to all of the right places, how come we
don't have better outcomes?

Speaker 8 (33:26):
What is missing from that piece?

Speaker 7 (33:28):
I mean, good on Marian for calling for the federal
government to change that, because the territory government is failing
territorians at it. We've got all this money pouring in,
We've got worse outcomes than ever before. I think good
on Marion. I say, because I tell you what, the
c orp are not going to stand for. These territorians
out there are telling us every single day how terrified
they are in their own homes. There's a so much
money around, which money so we go to the order

(33:54):
and all the territory order for all the money that
comes into the territory, what.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Specifically for you, which program is failing for you. Let's
name a program, though, Give us a.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
Program that happened with orders.

Speaker 5 (34:04):
Give us a program to be very specific, because you're
never specific. You're go on a rant about crime. What
specific program here in the Northern Territory, Which specific government
or non government organization that's getting funding is not delivering?

Speaker 7 (34:15):
We need to work out what's working and what's not.
At the moment, Territorians cannot feel that.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Do you know they are feeling frightened?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
How did you know?

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Because you never ask a question. You never ask any
questions about programs you've never done.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
You should just move on and get me focused. Because
I in some ways I agree with marrit and I
agree with Kate that you know sometimes you want we'd
show many examples.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I get all that, But the.

Speaker 9 (34:36):
Bottom line is thousands and hundreds of millions of dollars
territory and into the land councils via mineral royalties and
totally in.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
The space of the federal government and Marianne.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
But you can't just say.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
I was in Alice Springs.

Speaker 10 (34:54):
I was in Alice Springs when the Prime Minister did
his whistle stopped tour down there with I think you
were their case as were Yeah, I was in Melanderie Marion, Linda, Bernie.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Tash and all that.

Speaker 11 (35:04):
I remember Natasha saying that I'm being described as a groupie.

Speaker 10 (35:09):
Audit actually conducted of services in our springs and that
hasn't happened.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
That that has happened.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Sorry, that has happened.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
We had all of it.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Where is it youth services?

Speaker 5 (35:20):
There has there's been an audit of use services and
we figured well, churchy families did the audit with ministry
and cabinet.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
I think Matt Person has said there's twenty plus service providers.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Sound spoken about this.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
How are we still in the say this is like?

Speaker 9 (35:36):
This is the thing I had spoken on this show previously.
I was on a select committee that looked into youth
suicide and we went to our springs and we heard
submissions from various people and in Tenna Creek, et cetera.
And there was and now I'm going back ten years
that when Labor was in government, there was about twenty
thirty give or take organizations service funding delivering to youth services.

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And they didn't even talk to each other, and they
didn't even know these others existed as happened in ten Greek.
We're talking churches, we're talking ngngos with you in land councils,
we're talking feel good their philanthropic kind of organizations, all
doing their little bit, no coordination, And how do we
know that that money has been infectively Why.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
People are asking that question.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Look, we have no orders ten years ago, and look
people are still questioning if you know, when you look
at the amount of money that is being poured into
somewhere like Alice Springs, how then you know an audit
is found into youth services, or if there is an
ordered into youth services, it's found that you know, maybe
some money needs to be redirected in some way. But

(36:39):
we're still winding up in the situation where we've then
got a youth curfew in town. It really makes you
question whether that money is actually going to the right
areas and whether the KPIs are being next.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
So can I just.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
To those youth services and I engage with youth services
across other springs and they do have cohorts of kids
that go to see them, and for those kids that
they are seeing, they are keeping those kids in a
safe environment and working with their families.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I think what we've got is we've got a lot
more kids, probably a lot more than when tend.

Speaker 5 (37:10):
Tees desigration and you've got bush migration and families coming
in with young kids that are not actually engaged with
those services.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I don't think these kids.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
I've walked around multiple multiple times at night time with
the Territory Families Youth Justice officers, and they walk around
and engageable kids. And I've been there when they've said
I don't know that kid, and I don't know that kid,
and they make a bee line for them and try
and get them into services, and then they get them
onto the bus and out to one of the you know,
the youth centers.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
There's a lot of collaboration that does go on in
other springs.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
So I'm not going to sit here and accept that
there is no talk between but what we do need
to know and people need to understand there's a lot
more kids. It's not you know that there is a
cohort of kids that are getting very well supported in
other springs.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
They're going to school every day.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
Gavin Morris Iprunya is his numbers of kids that he's
got engages.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Trip increased justification.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
It's really positive things.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
There are just a lot more kids and I you know,
urban migration, that drift into town is a real thing
and we need to all get our heads around it.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Look, we are going to have to take a break.
You are listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixteen. Well,
the Senate hearings this week into Middle Arm, the Middle
Arm project got underway. I know the coalition well, they
presented a united front yesterday saying that it was more
of a circus than a Senate inquiry. The Chief Minister,
Evil Lula fronted that inquiry as well. And I've got

(38:29):
to tell you I've got a message here from Jerry Wood.
I'm going to read it out very quickly. It said, Hi, Katie,
regardless of your views about Evil Laula, she's the Chief
Minister of the Northern Territory and should be treated with respect.
The Left Green Senate committee should have done the same,
and the way they ran yesterday's hearing showed a lack
of respect for not only the Chief Minister but also
the Senate. A similar Left Green hearing some years ago,

(38:51):
when Adam Giles was the Chief Minister was also disrespectful.
Perhaps we need an independent inquiry into how the Senate
committees are formed and right so they're well balanced politically.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Love Jerry Katie, Thanks Jerry.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
These these do goody senators from Cambus to just piss
off home back to Canberra and stop wasting tax base,
my tax dollars and I've paid a lot of tax.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Let me tell it as people in this room do
they are?

Speaker 9 (39:18):
They are horrent, they do gooders, and they're just trying
to get a public stage to promote their own personal
causes at the expense of the territory, at the expenses
dis jobs for us to disrespect the Chief Minister. How
would they feel if we went down to Canberra and
disrespected the Prime Minister or disrespected the degree that something
like that, you know, that is a disgrace to them.

Speaker 8 (39:40):
Again, and the Northern Territory being treated like a poor
The thing that.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I thought that was really quite ridiculous though as well,
is that you've got hearation. Well you've got a hearing,
but you don't even invite the gas industry along. I mean,
I think if you're going to have a hearing, if
you're going to have a discussion, I mean look at
us this morning. You've got people of all different political
persuasions and yes, I know we talk over each other
a bit, but everybody respects each other and respects each other's.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Different points of view. If you can't hold a hearing
and do that, what is the point Katie.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
That handsome young woman.

Speaker 9 (40:12):
Apart from pissing off back to Canberra, she's just a
disgraceful operator because when she's losing arguments and this is
so typical of the lefty Greens, not U, Kate, do
I look.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Do I typical of these.

Speaker 9 (40:27):
Lefty Greens is they start to play the man to
use that code and not the game. They've got no
valid arguments, so they start to attack the people and
that is disgraceful.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
She should just agree.

Speaker 10 (40:38):
So people play it that way, I think people turn off.
They're not willing to listen to that side of the
argument or their concerns.

Speaker 8 (40:45):
And that kind of thing.

Speaker 10 (40:46):
And there are valid concerns around a massive project, absolutely
when there's a happening and there's different technologies and all
the rest of it. But you'd hope, and i'd imagine
Kate would back this up, is that you learn from
the mistakes of other areas and you put in those
mental regulations.

Speaker 11 (41:01):
And as you know, we have two years in thousands
of jobs for the Northern Territory.

Speaker 10 (41:05):
Everyone bags us about going to Canberra with a cap
in hand about how much money GST we get, and
here it is trying to make something that will actually
generate revenue that can help fix some of the challenges
that we've got.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
If some of these.

Speaker 10 (41:19):
Major groups who are based elsewhere and have nothing to
do with the Northern Territory on a day to day
actually spent that money towards some of the issues that
we have here, perhaps those things might actually go.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Absolutely, it's such an important project for the territory. Thousands
and thousands of jobs. We're two years into an environmental
report about the cumulative potential com cumulative palms, which will
give us the benchmarks like we did with the Shariba
with the gas production in the first place. We've got
those benchmarks as technical work that's been done. It's like
they don't trust the territory to do itself. And we

(41:51):
are a mature mob, like I don't care what people say.
We might do things differently.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
We might be a bit more.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
Casually dressed and et cetera, et cetera. But we are ourselves,
We are so capable in this space. It's like they're
second judging us.

Speaker 9 (42:03):
Also, they're also disrespectful towards the high level of public servants,
couragative departments, to the working protu and also disrespectful to
the scientist and the.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Consultant, everybody that's working and one that works with.

Speaker 9 (42:15):
An environmental assessment. There's a whole range of people. So
they've been disrespectful for those people as well, you know,
And that's that's what they don't see because it's so emotionally.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
And look, I.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Totally understand, like you said, you know, people are going
to have concerns around the environment.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
There's going to be concerns.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
But that is why an enormous amount of work has
to get underway before the project goes ahead.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
When the lights go out in the Eastern Seaboard and
they want our gas and they're already shutting off gas
new gas connections in Victoria in the domestic space, then
they will come beg into the territory and we will
be in control.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Maybe that's what it's really about. They don't want us
to be in control of any of their future energy and.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
People that to gainst statehood as well.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Absolutely datehood would get us there, and we want to
have togue with them.

Speaker 10 (43:00):
He just comments that was made by one of the
senators there Lydia Thorpe, saying that all ministers and people
in government were responsible for the Genocida First Nations people.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
That's just embarrassing.

Speaker 8 (43:11):
Care just absolutely, that's she's a fool.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Well, look we are going to we are going to
take a quick break or Mary claims. Do you want
to say something very quickly, You've got to jump in.

Speaker 7 (43:22):
She supports middlem absolutely supports the CELP, is always supported
on and offshore gas and we're the only party that's
never failed from that. Absolutely supportive because we need our
jobs here and exactly what Kathleen was saying about our
own source of revenue. And I'm just so glad that
Kate agrees to because I know that not everyone in
your party agrees, like you had to cancel the conference
because of.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
Here. Don't lie on air, well, because you have no
evidence that to lie on air, and I really don't
like it when you come in here and you lie, well,
you have no idea Aboutnister.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Did not call to a liar. You aren't liar, because
we did not cancel we designed.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
I'm going to have to pull.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Those microphones down because everybody's talking over the top of
the other each other. But I will say very quickly
that conference did get pulled off.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Now, hang on, we're going to have it every second year,
and we didn't have it.

Speaker 7 (44:20):
No.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Also, well, I don't think it's appropriate to call Marie
Claire a liar.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
He has different mechanisms. Were doing that in a different
way this year because we have an election this year.
We can't do both. But you have your little council
things whatever.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Alright, we're going to take a quick break. We've only
got a couple of minutes left. You are listening to
Mix one O four nine's three sixty. Well, that is
just about it for us this morning. At big thank
you to Kate Warden, a Minister for various Portfolios and
from the Labour Party and with us this morning.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Thank you for your time, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin, thanks so much for
joining us this morning.

Speaker 9 (44:57):
Kezier Peerie, can I do a nice shout out to
my Cambodian community because it's amazing it's the Boddish New
Year tomorrow for my Cambodian friends, so I'm going out
there to celebrate with them.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Hey, just before I let you wrap up there, Casey,
how's all your crazy dogs?

Speaker 4 (45:13):
And they were running away the other way?

Speaker 9 (45:16):
Here the four white ones that were seen in Fairer
Yes Fara, yes, Fara.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Council, well, which council? Which field counsel or council. They've
been grounded. They've been grounded.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
I've been grounded.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
And the naughty ring leader Dante.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
And they're wearing trackers.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Now you've got trackers on them now, so we've.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Got fitbits on how they kilometers?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Are they running well?

Speaker 9 (45:39):
Interesting Katie, good question because one night they did seven
point five kilometers around the property theirs so spoke to
them about going to Tiger Country.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I said, don't go there. That's the bad lads right.

Speaker 10 (45:59):
Mission.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Thank you so much for your time next morning and.

Speaker 7 (46:01):
The I just want to wish all the rugby league
fans and players of course, that the Round one kicks
off this week.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
The Parmesan teams.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
We're going to be talking rugby league after ten o'clock
this morning. I'll be interviewing my brother from the Dolphins