The Week That Was – 26th April 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is time for the week that was, and in
the studio with us this morning from the COLP the
Deputy Opposition Leader Jared Mayley, good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Good morning Katie. Good morning listeners.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
From sky News. It is Matt Cunningham, Good morning to you. Matt,
good morning, good to have you in the studio. Kezier Puic,
the Independent member for Goider morning, good morning bush people.
And Job Bowden, the member for.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Johnson. Goodness me.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I hadn't mind playing for a second there from the
Labor Party. He's taking notes furiously. I'm not sure what
you're noting down there.

Speaker 4 (00:29):
Job, Good morning, Katy.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
I'm just noting that that Kezier has made an outlandish
statement this morning off.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Air that there is going to be a teal in Goider.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
What a load of rubber.

Speaker 6 (00:43):
I think what she said was they discovered that one
teal lives in. There's a petition that started or ready
to get them kicked out.

Speaker 7 (00:53):
No self respecting person is going to accept a teal
in the.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Rh Goodness, I agree. What a Friday morning, What a
Friday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
We're in fourteen and that was because we were discussing
whether there are going to be teal independents running different locations,
and we all agreed that there probably won't be out
in the rural area.

Speaker 7 (01:12):
They'll be in Nightcliff, Johohnson, there's three already.

Speaker 6 (01:17):
So there's there's Justin Davis who's running in Johnston. Is
it Johnson or Johnston? Is there an I think Millie
May is running in Nightcliff and Justing Glover on the council.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Oh yes, in.

Speaker 7 (01:35):
Calling themselves teals now not Greeny.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
Well, they call themselves voices of the top end. But
that's that's what the teal movement is. It was voices
of Indi and then voices of Wearinger and voices different.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Version of that.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I suppose last time called Territory Alliance and it wasn't.
It was a bit of a different kind of.

Speaker 6 (01:51):
Movement though, wasn't It was grassroots And then they said
they were going to ban fracking. I think that's probably
the Territory Alliance people, though I've spoken to their candidates reckon.
That's the point where they really went wrong because they
were probably tracking along or ride and then suddenly, you know,
a couple of months out from the election, they decided
that they were going to jump on the anti fracking

(02:12):
campaign and then it all sort of went pear shape
from there.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Well, and while.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
We're talking about that, let's talk about gas, because we
will get to some of the other topics throughout this morning.
But we know that energy company Tamboran Resources in the
Northern Territory government they've signed a fifteen year binding gas
sales agreement to supply forty terror duels of gas day
a gas a day from the Beaterloo sub basin to
generate electricity in the Northern Territory. Now, you'd have to

(02:38):
say that this is a good move, I would think,
in the sense that we are securing energy for the
Northern Territory with the you know, with this agreement. And
I know that not everybody or there's certainly still some
voices out there that are opposed to fracking and the
development of the Bea Toloo, but a lot of everyday territorians.
If it means that you're able to get cheaper energy

(02:59):
and more secure in surely it's a.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Good Ultimately, you think that it should have happened years ago. Unfortunately,
they becoming in Motorium put it behind schedule and all
the uncertainty in relation to gas because We know the
Labor Party don't support gas. We know labor ministers support gas.
Labor ministers don't support gas, and they flop around and
we don't really know what's going on with that. But
ultimately this has really put the territory on the map.

(03:22):
We we've got some gas. It should have happened earlier,
and we need the energy and we need that resources
because we want to make ourselves a manufacturing industry and
we need gas. We need cheap energy.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
Well, it is a good it's good in our sa.
Katie Tamburin is a good company, a solid company, and
we do need we need energy security. That's what it's about.
You know, black tip, we know is depleting quickly. There's
no other sources of cost efficient energy around apart from Tamberin.
Nothing's coming from on shore in a hurry. We can

(03:51):
access gas from the gas plants, but at a huge
price because there's no reservation policy. And what people also
have to understand about gas is that I know there's
people say, oh, you shouldn't sign a deal until you've
done this, this and this, But what people have to
understand is gas companies and gas projects have to get
their customers signed up before they really charge ahead with
their development, because in the gas industry there's only small

(04:13):
windows of opportunity to sell your product or to get
it to market. So what they've done is not unusual
for the gas industry. They've signed a contract with a
customer for I think it was fifteen years, isn't it
fifteen with an option to go further. Because there's a
heap of gas at Biglue.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Heap of gas, we don't know how much it's costing
or what we've paid, I guess because it's commercial and
confidence is what we're being told.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I mean, is that appropriate? Should we know?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well?

Speaker 5 (04:36):
It is in confidence and Keys has actually articulated it
quite well. Within eye issues and the and the gas
not being available, we've then been purchasing gas at a
much higher price. This gives them certainty into the future,
and if there's going to be gas extracted, then the
territory should have a right to that. It gives us security,
it gives us options going forward, and we don't want

(04:57):
to get to a point were we've going to buy
gas at such an exorbitant rate that with the prices
go up. I mean, we just don't want that. This
is good security for the next fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Are you support the gas industry in.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
Fracking, Jared, as you said just before the labor government
signed this, it's a fifteen contract.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
We support this, Yeah, we support it.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Do you support it?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yes, Jared, we do. We support this.

Speaker 9 (05:24):
It's a simple were here.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
So hang on. Let's when you say we, do you
mean you yourself and you or the.

Speaker 10 (05:32):
Party or myself and including the party and Jared you
alluded to the period of time that had gone and yes,
it took a while, right, there was a moratorium.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
We took our time with that.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
There was one hundred and thirty four recommendations and it's
progressed slowly.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yes, it's progressively.

Speaker 10 (05:48):
But you're saying you're going to cut You're going to
cut red tape which you need to protection? Which environment
protection will you cut to reduce your timelines by fifty percent?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Yes, this is talking about in which one I'm talking
about the environment. You're asking me you know I must
and I.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Know we're answer my question.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I have.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Now you support gas person unless we do so?

Speaker 11 (06:11):
Good?

Speaker 12 (06:11):
This is a fifteen year contract that we support and
we've signed off. Do you do you think you can
reduce red tape by fifty percent, and which environment Protection
will use slash and cut to reduce the timelines to
get mining projects out of the ground.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Which way, we are not going to slash any environmental policies.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Soron when you reduce the environment is important.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
We're going to make sure that when you put an
application into the government and into the regulatory authority, it
gets to action. It doesn't just sit in the drawer.
Someone doesn't go and leave. We need to empower the
public service to be able to do their job and
support them more, which unfortunately labor government have failed to do.
Because there's some great public servers out there. They just
need the power to be supported and do their job.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
But there's processes involved. That's the thing that processes.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Processes can change the environmental regulation. It's going to be
not going to slash any environmental real We're going to
ancient processes how you do things to make those approvals
go quicker. They're not going to change anything. We're not
going to cut any environmental laws. We're just going to
make sure those applications progress.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Now, we know that there are still some who are
not real happy about this. I know that one of
the chairs of an Aboriginal corporation representing Native title holders
from the Beaterloo Basin region, had told the NT News,
we want to protect our country from fracking. You know,
the question had been asked of the Chief Minister earlier
in the week. Are you ignoring the concerns of traditional owners?

(07:30):
She said that no, that was not the case that
there had been that consultation.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Happened, Katie.

Speaker 8 (07:35):
Consultation has taken place, and I know about it.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
I've read about it.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
I've heard from people who are involved in that kind
of area. People just have to realize Beaterloo, whether they
like it or not, Beterloo is going to get developed
because it's in the interests of the Northern Territory community
and the Australian community across the board. So they can
still protest again, I'm sure there's still some Greenies or

(08:00):
new Teals protesting against uranium money, but they have to
come to grips with the fact that Beagloo Base is
going to be developed.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
We understand that it can't happen without an Indigenous land
use agreement.

Speaker 9 (08:11):
That's true.

Speaker 6 (08:12):
It requires the free, prior and informed consent, all that
of traditional owners. So it's fair enough to say some
traditional owners don't support but this widespread blanket traditional owners
oppose it, it's not correct, is not correct, and there
are traditional owners who support it, just as there are
traditional owners.

Speaker 9 (08:29):
Who oppose it.

Speaker 6 (08:29):
So I think it's it's really simplistic when we roll
out the line that says traditional owners don't support the
development of gas.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
In the ask for details, what traditional owners? How many?
What areas it is to go ahead?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Look, I think the thing is we are in a
situation in the Northern Territory right now where the economy
does need to get moving. I mean the latest COMSEXT
State of the State's quarterly report came out earlier in
the weeks lasting yet last again. I mean, the thing
that I found quite interesting about it is the South
Australia Premier Peter Malanascus I believe is his name.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
He was out sprooking it because they won. But do
we still throw it in the bin?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
Joh Well, it gets discredited, Kadie because it includes the
sixty billion dollars of impacts.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Talk about Peter Malanaskus and South Australia.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Look where they've done with gather around, Look what they've
done with the VH look that live golf. They've turned
South Australia in Adelaide into a sports entertainment hub and
it's no surprise that they've jumped up the leaderboard. That's
something that as the Tourism Minister, I'm actually looking at
at the moment. How do we bring bigger acts, better
acts to the Northern Territory so that we can jump
up the leaderboard at some stage once once impacts gets
washed out and let's not worry about the complexities it no, Well,

(09:42):
if you take out sixty billion dollars Jared, then that's
a big chunk of money.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
So let's keep talking about let's keep making goverment.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
And if you want to focus on that report, right,
if that's what you want to focus and that's that's
just typical of your negativity, right, we actually want to
talk about positive things.

Speaker 4 (09:58):
I'm trying to get acts to the Northern Territory.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
I'm trying to get events to the Northern Territory so
that people can enjoy themselves. But better than that, we
get people flying into the Northern Territory to see these
if you.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Can, if you actually compare, I've just come back from
South Australia and if you actually compare some of the
facilities there, particularly.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
For sport, they're out of this world.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
One hundred percent better than what we've got in the
Northern Territory. So there would need to be significant investment.
And I think that it's great, you know, for the
government to do that, but you actually need to have
your own source revenue.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
You've got to have some income coming in. We can't
just keep looking for That's where.

Speaker 8 (10:32):
The resource industry is coming cad In. I've said this
time and time again, you've got to sorry, the government,
any government has to support and foster development in the
resources industry, which is.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
Mining, oil and gas.

Speaker 8 (10:44):
Then you have the pastoral and your tourism and your
pastoral tours and primary industries. That's where your own source
revenue comes from. But let's be honest, it's mining on
shore mining developments because everything is captured here in the
churty and all in gas development. That is what has
to get developed to increase our economy's performance.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
You want to pick up what you said about this
morning infrastructure. Remember this particular Labor government had been in
power for eight years. Labor being in power in the
North Turkey for about nineteen out of the last twenty
three years. So when Joel says, oh, it's just impacts,
put that in the in the bin, Well you look
at the big picture here. For the last twenty odd years,
the labor government have failed to improve that infrastructure to
bring those acts that Joel was just speaking about Northern

(11:20):
Territory because and the proof is into putting. Our economy
is going backwards. Crime is through the roof. People are leaving.
I think over eight hundred people left the Northern Charokey
last quarter because they've had enough. So I really need
to make sure.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
So let the.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Chritory company five dollars of impacts washed through and once
it's washed through, then you'll get a better How.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Do we wait for it to wash through? Do you reckon?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Like, at what point do we start looking at these
different economic indicators and going Okay, well we are we're
still continuing to decline in this area or we're declining
in that area.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
And I've got to say, the one area where a.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Lot of people will care about a decline is property
prices because it's our major asset for every individual around
the Northern Territory. And if your property prices continue to decline,
which is what we're seeing. You know, when you talk
about your new builds and when you talk about getting that,
you know, getting those new builds happening, they're just not
at the moment.

Speaker 11 (12:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
We've spoken to two master builders just a couple of
weeks ago. I'd also spoken to the Darwin Major Business
Group who pointed out a few different areas where we
are needing to really try to get things moving. And
I know it's easier said than done, but when you
look at these different indicators, find that Impacts has had
a massive impact.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
But we really like.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
We do need to start ticking along. We've got to
have some hope.

Speaker 11 (12:37):
Right.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Y's right, and the boom bus side was not one
that is good for the Northern territory. We saw it
with Conicco Phillips, then saw it with Impacts. The other
thing that's impacted property prices in recent times has been
the thirteen interest rates that has made thirty interest rate
rises over the last eighteen months, which made the cost
of capital, you know, exorbitant in many respects. You know,
people are getting interest rates at two percent.

Speaker 9 (12:57):
It's affected, it's affected.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
That has really necessarily been the case in the rest
of the country though, because in places like Sydney and
Melbourne and Brisbane and Adelaide, property prices are still going up.
And we've really been on the decline since twenty fourteen,
apart from a little bounce we got during COVID when
interest rates effectively hit zero, right, and we got that
little bounce then. But the problem is that after Impects finish,

(13:21):
we really have had nothing that has come into its place,
and despite some attempts from this government, none of those
projects that promised jobs and promised development have gotten off
the ground.

Speaker 9 (13:32):
You know, sea.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
Farms died, some cable doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Yeah,
core lithiums in a world of pain. I think that's
why the be Toloo becomes so important, because we desperately
need that development.

Speaker 9 (13:47):
We desperately need more jobs.

Speaker 6 (13:48):
We want this to be a place where the population
is growing, where people want to live.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
Because if you go back to that.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Time in twenty eleven twelve thirteen, this place was booming
and it was a amazing knock down the streets and
the CBD and the place would be absolutely pumping. And
it was because of the jobs that IMPECTS brought here
at the time. Now, we did fall off that cliff
once the construction phase of impects left, but we need
to have a pipeline of those projects so that you
know that's that's the norm, not the exception.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Plminantly. Look at the crime state figures have gone up
over the last eight years and Terrory some of them
up over three hundred percent. I think Steve need you
to think Tenant Creek was saying, is a five hundred
percent increase, and even around the territory two hundred two
and fifty percent is not unusual in the crime stats.
But that actually affects people on the ground because the
cost of living goes up because insurance goes up. And

(14:37):
when you go to the shop who've been broken into,
they have to increase their prices because they've got to
pay for the crime and pay for the repair. So
it's just a cycle that has an impact. And then
when your tourists come here, because we are a touristown,
they see anty social behavior. They see people drinking in
public places and they're getting abused, and they see each
other abusing other people. That is not good for the
territory because our reputation has just gone downhill over the

(14:58):
last few years because the labor government fail. Do you
actually know they haven't failed. They've actually changed the orders
to make it easier.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
For people to do that.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
Katie, it'll be interesting coming and bringing up picking up
a little bit on what you just said is I
was talking to someone I forget who now, but have
a shop, domestic shop, and they're waiting for the tourism
to start. And I must admit I haven't seen hardy.
I don't think I've seen one or two caravans. I
know it's sort of April May May they start to
really roll in. So it'll be interesting to see how
many vans roll into the territory this year, because that

(15:25):
will be an indicator. I mean, I'm sure there'll be lights,
but whether there as many as in previous years.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
We've got the tourism.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
It's here, Keasier and Katie, I've just been in Tanant
Creek and Aile Springs and driven those roads as the
Dipple Minister, I wanted to go and have a look
at the roads and the damage.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Mostly it's in the Barkley. Who did you make it too?

Speaker 9 (15:41):
All right?

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
No problems got through Fie.

Speaker 5 (15:42):
We actually drove a unit I thirty through the areas
and the Dipple team have done such a good job.
This little hatchback got through no problems. You do have
to slow down a bit. However, there were a number
of caravans on the road. There were some boats on
the road, which I was surprised at. I wasn't sure
where they were coming from, generally from the north down.
But I think with the cruise ships and we got
over one hundred this season and the caravans starting to come,

(16:06):
we should start to see a bit of a bump
in the population moving in.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, let's hope. So, let's hope.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
So well, we are going to take a really quick break.
You are listening to Mix ONEOW four point nines three sixty.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
It is the week that was.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
You are listening to Mix one O four point nines
three sixty in the studio this morning, we've got Joel
Barden Kezy Epiric, Matt Cunningham and Jared Maylee. Now Jerry
Woods just text through and he said, if an independent
attaches the term teal, then are they truly independent?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
I don't think so, says Jarren.

Speaker 7 (16:35):
Right, gon't be a teal washed out greenies.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh Geezy Puric say you really.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
Feel washed out? It's rich greenee rich Green rich.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Now look we know that.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Earlier in the week, the Chief Minister committed to allow
the media to tour don Dale after its youth detainees
moved to a new.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Facility later this year.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
She also admitted the government had hoped demolished both the
former and the current don Dale youth detention centers, but
seid increasing pressure on the NT prison system force that
to change.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
So a tend has been.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Released for the demolition of the original don Dale, but
the current facility, formerly the Behremer Prison, is going to
be repurposed for adult male inmates. So more than fourteen
million dollars has been spent on improving the Beremer Prison,
don Dale since it was decommissioned as that maximum security unit.
It's all a bit confusing, I suppose for a lot

(17:29):
of listeners, because it seems like therese two don Dales.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Right, but the old old don Dale it's still really.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Knocked out in the original don Dale, but the new
don Dale is no longer being knocked down because we
actually need it now. I think to everyday people listening
this morning, they're probably thinking to themselves, do you know what,
I don't care if it doesn't get knocked down, because
if we need it to house prisoners, then we actually
need to repurpose it. But then it does call into question,

(17:56):
you know the fact that the government sort of hasn't
forward planned.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's seem what a debarcle this whole debate being about this,
you know, going to go down, and then they got
confused of which is which and trying to they try
and do it on purpose. When I say they the
government because people are getting confused about it. Ultimately there's
a government of being in power for eight years, there's
a lacking of infrastructure in relations of prisons. Again Labour's fault,
and now they're trying to get caught up on these
lives about yes it's going to go. No, it's not

(18:20):
going to go. We're going to repurpose it. They're way
the media in because there has been damage. What's where
in tear? We know that Howard Springs was similar and
how much was millions of dollars worth of damage out there?
Why not just take let Mattia go in there this
afternoon at two o'clock with a camera.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Don't feel anyone.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Else of the kids because they respect their privacy and
let's see what's going on because ultimately labor have got
a history in relation to this and refer back to
how it springs about just being wear and tear and
ultimately know that it costs millions of dollars and people
got caught up in those one saying one thing, say
another thing and been there and not being there. So
ultimately what a debarcle. Just let the media in what

(18:56):
has what has the labor government got to hide?

Speaker 5 (19:01):
You can't advocate letting media into a youth detention facility
where kids are trying to rehabilitate.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yes, there has been.

Speaker 9 (19:10):
I've been in there. It was in there in twenty
sixteen and there in twenty eighteen.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
And that's that's terrific.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
That's made that when when the kids transition out and
I'm the infrastructure minister, right, so I've been out at
the old don Dale and the tender has been released.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
It's gone, right, So it's gone.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
The current site which for some reason was called Dondale
as well. But let's got it, the current baron of
prison will be repurposed until we can actually build or
reduce our prisoner numbers, Like, it's pretty simple, and the
prisoner numbers have gone up, so it's common sense use
the current facility, repurpose it and then utilize that asset.

Speaker 6 (19:49):
The fact, what about the fact that facility was demed
only fit for a bulldozer more than ten years.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
Ago and fourteen million dollars has been used to repurpose it.

Speaker 6 (19:58):
So twenteen million dollars is a liqu of pain on
a place like that. Surely I disagree for it and
see it ourselves.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
And once that, once the detainees have been moved out,
you can go and have a look.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
And to do that.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
What exactly does the government think the media are going
to do to these youths in don Dale when they
go in there? Like, what exactly do you think the
media is going to do? That's stopping the media from
being allowed to go in, Like, we've got a whole
code of ethics that we've got to work by. We
actually have to have professional standards that we've got to
live by, but also legal standards like mate, you're actually

(20:33):
not allowed to show the faces of those youths, are you?

Speaker 6 (20:36):
Well no, And as I said before, I've been in
there several times while the youth detainees have been in there.
I've been allowed in there under the previous CLP government.
I've been allowed in there under the Gunna Labor government.
But there's been a change in policy Chief Minister. It's
not that it's not the new Chief Minister, because she's
actually said it was the Minister for Territory Families. And

(20:58):
I think there's been a change within the department. When
I first called the department right and asked, because this
came because John Lawrence had said the media should be
allowed in there if the.

Speaker 9 (21:08):
Government's saying this place is fine to how our.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Adult male prisoners and at the time they were talking
about putting female prisoners in there, but either way, he said,
well let the media in so that they can see
what it's like. And he's actually said I've represented children
in that facility and those children and their parents would
be more than happy for the cameras to go in
there and see what conditions are like.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Right.

Speaker 6 (21:29):
It was subsequent to that that I made a request
from the department and I had someone from the apartment
ring me and say, oh, the children in there don't
want to be portrayed like animals in a zoo.

Speaker 9 (21:39):
I mean, it's just, well, if we.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Don't want to tray them like animals, does that mean
we're treating them like animals in a zoo?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean, just a good question.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
I don't understand, and I know I know that the
people listening out there, this is so far in the
bubble they couldn't give a stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
But the thing is, the media are the eyes and
ears for the broader public.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
So the broader public.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Want to know whether don Dale was damaged in the
recent riots, and they want to know how extensive that
damage was or was not.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
They also want.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
To know if this building is going to be then
repurposed for prisoners, you know, later in the year. Well
is it up to standard, because we've been told ten
years ago it needs to be bulldozed, and now we're
being told that it's okay.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Because there's fourteen million spent on it.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
So all of those questions, While I agree with you, Matt,
you know, it is a real sort of It is
one of those things that every day people may not
care that much about. But the point that Jared makes
as well about the situation out at Howard Springs is
a good one. We were told that there was wear
and tear out at Howard Springs and it turned out
to be anything.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
But so I actually think the damage that's right.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So I actually think it is about being open and transparent,
and it's from a government that promised to be open
and transparent, that really ran on being open and transparenting.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And remember the Chief Minister now has been a treasure
and was Infrastructure minutes for many years. So ultimately the
buck stops with her. You say that it's a new
chief Minister, Well, she's the old Infrastructure and the Treasury
for many years. And only if the Labor government have
failed to plan, which obviously have because they seem to
be just doing a day here, day there, because they've
got no forward thinking. It just goes to show that

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the Labor government have failed the prisoners, failed territories and
it must be hiding something.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
I don't think they're hiding anything, but I think that
we have to look at this in a couple of
different ways.

Speaker 7 (23:23):
One, they need more.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
Space at Holtz Jail. You know, we know it's overflowing.
We know there's big mob of them double bunking. There's
people in watchhouses are full, whatch houses are full. So
we've got plus fifty two percent people on remand but
we've also got the women's section right in the.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
Middle of a male jail, which was bad planning. From
what we're getting, that was a debus. So moving the females,
moving the.

Speaker 8 (23:45):
Females to a repurposed don Dale second don Dale, I
think is okay by me. If you want to put
the women separately, that's probably a good idea. That then
frees up one hundred beds in for more prisoners. This
is about the number of people going into jail in
the first place. That necessitates the move of the women
out into another section so the men can fill up
that section. That's what it's about. It's about the fact

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that more people are going to jail because of the
lawlessness in our community. That's what I think is at
the heart of this. Forget whether the structure of ten
years it should be bulldozed or whatever. The fact is
that more people are going to jail because more people
are committing crimes, because there's no consequences.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
To the crimes.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
I was only talking to a senior copper yesterday at
ANZAC Day and he said himself, there are no consequences.

Speaker 7 (24:30):
That's the problem that we are suffering.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
And remember there was a ride at the whole prison
a number of years ago and there's like thirty million
dollars with a dam in Jewish Is Insurance claiming. From
my understanding, that still hasn't been fixed. So that whole
building has sitting there vacant essentially, so there's more more
room in there that you know. It's the years on
and again the government have done nothing about that. It's
sitting there.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
It was burned down.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I think for memory there must be.

Speaker 9 (24:51):
Some consequences, though, I we've got more people in jail
than ever.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, well that's right, there has to be some consequences.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
But anecdotally someone's saying there's no consequences.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Stuck up when we've got more people in prison, the
watchhouse is overflowing and the prisons.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Could it be though, that we've got more crime sped,
because that's what the crime statistics show us.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
You know, that's what they've shown us.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Two hundred more police, there will be more enforcement. With
extra police on the ground, there will be more enforcement,
There'll be more accountability, and that's that's a given in
at some levels that there might be I mean, there
may be more enforcement, but I think there's more deterrence
as well.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
If you look at what happened in Alice Springs right
after the riote at the Todd Tavern and the ride
at Hidden Valley Camp that prompted the curfew.

Speaker 9 (25:33):
The other thing it prompted.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Was you know, sixty extra police in Alice Springs And
I was down there for the first two days of
that curfew and they were absolutely everywhere, every corner in out,
You couldn't miss them. There were police on horses, police
on motorbikes, policing cars, and the crime anecdotally at least,
appeared to go down. The more the police presence is there.
It would seem that the less crime there is. So

(25:55):
I think recruiting more police officers is a good idea
and having a higher police visit ability is a good idea.
And I think the other thing that needs to happen
is that, you know, is that more we need to
have more of the police that we do have actually
out on the street doing high visibility policing.

Speaker 9 (26:12):
You know, we'll get onto this issue about.

Speaker 6 (26:13):
Security guards in town, and you know, I know that
Connin said that he didn't get well, well, I think
it would actually be better to have police doing that
work than it would be.

Speaker 5 (26:25):
When I was in Alice Springs on Tuesday five point
thirty in the mall, just finishing up my day and
I went out into the mall.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Just to walk up and down and have a look.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
There were five police officers walking down the mall in
police uniforms, high visibility. We had a quick chat and
they said, it's quite. It's quite, and that's a deterrent
because it's that visible presence of police.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
But we just don't have enough, which is why we're recruiting.
It's going to take quite some time. Like that's the
big thing.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So in the meantime, like I get that that the
government's saying that, But in the meantime, territories just have
to keep living the way that you know, like you've
just got to keep going. All right, Well, if you
if you know, an incident happens, you call the police
and you may not have someone rock up. And that
is not a criticism of the police. That's a criticism
of the fact that we do not have enough of them,
despite the facts that we've been.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
You know that we've all been screaming out for it
for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I want to say remember the Police Association have done
three surveys, and all those surveys over the last two years,
I think it is had said that the police are
not over ninety percent of them don't feel supported by
the Labor government. That's not writing on the wall two
years ago that there's going to be an issue. And
now we've got there eleventh hour fix of all these
extra police. And look, I agree that makes a difference,
but ultimately it's happened right now, you know, four months

(27:39):
before election. Because why we got to this stage. Why
are we here now where you can't be safe in
your own home, you can't be safe in the chotory.
And the answer is simply because the Labor government have failed.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Look, I do want to talk about the fact that
the Lord Mayor convat Scarless, well he really, you know,
got people quite concerned earlier in the week, specifically our
retailers earlier in the week, after saying that he thinks
security in the CBD are ineffective. He said he wants
police patrolling the city, not money being spent on security.

(28:08):
If you miss the Lord Mayor combat Scalus earlier in
the week, take a quick listen to some of what
he had to say.

Speaker 11 (28:13):
If I've got security that does nothing. They look good,
they walk around and make you feel good, but they
can't more for the people if they're in the mall drinking,
which actually it's a policious possibility to kilometer low and
everywhere out the state in Australia is the policies from
the stricts, not security patrol.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
So that is just part of what Corn had to
say earlier in the week. Now, Evil Laula joined us
on the show on Wednesday and said that security would
be continuing. But I tell you what, it had a
lot of the retailers really rather concerned because they don't
see that high visibility policing like we used to see
sort of in years gone by, and they are in
a situation where they really do need that support.

Speaker 8 (28:49):
It's probably not so much to turn to you a
passer by or troublemakers, but it brings comfort to the
retailers knowing that there is some security there. So there's
probably two components to this. There's the yes, the deterrent factor. Yes,
there's security people here, therefore we better not do xos
it or we better go somewhere else. Plus it gives
comfort to the retailers knowing that security people are there.

Speaker 6 (29:11):
I mean, I know sympathize with the retailers absolutely, but
the security and you know, the what's it called the.

Speaker 9 (29:20):
Saw talk Yeah, Tia, no, no.

Speaker 10 (29:23):
No.

Speaker 9 (29:25):
Response, you do, and I think that's it.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Yeah, but all of those security guards are basically they've
been brought in to fill the holes left by a
shortage of police, right like that, that's the if we
look at the long term solution. The long term solution
is to have police doing that job. I mean in
the short term, yes, absolutely, I'm not saying take them.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Away, no, no, but they need to be there.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Does need to be that gap bridge really at this
point because again, like Joel said, just a moment ago,
we're trying to recruit two hundred extra police sixty eight
I believe the police minister and told us we're going
to be going to actually be graduating in July.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Or June, so not too far away. But again, it
is about bridging that gap between now and then.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You know, I'm you know, I have to go back
to what eth earlier. Why have we got this far
down the path? Why would you have to hire security
because those costs have passed on. Remember it's not just
gets absorbed. The retailers have to put it into their leases,
into their pricing. It's just the cost of crimes have
you don't become a victim of crime yourself, and you're not.
Many people an't victim of crime anymore. But if you're not,
you still pay because you have to pay when you

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go shopping, when you go insurance, when you go just
to buy anything, because the cost of crime spread right
across and allthern territory. And unfortunately we've come eight years
and sliding safety is getting seeper and seper.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
While we are on this, I know that the hospitality
industry as well this morning have called for more to
be done to protect bottle shop workers, with key promises
made in the wake of the tragic depth of Deck
and Lavity yet to be delivered more than twelve months on.
So we know that one of those changes was obviously
the OCS spray being able to be utilized by security
guards to carry that capsicum OC spray.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Are we like, how far off are we from this
happening job?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Well, I think there's only been eighteen people who have
trained that in that course to be able and eligible
to use the oc spray, so it's not enough.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
We need to do more in that space.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
I think Brent Potter has been across this, but I've
spoken with Alex Bruce early in the piece when I
started in the Ministerial Portfolio of Hospitality, and this is
something that they call for and we're working through it.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
We need to do better, we need to do more training,
we need to do it quicker.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
It's like the constables that are going to graduate soon
in the police, what we need to get more of
them graduating. We've got to do more of this and
we've got to do it quicker so that we can
do the training. Because training doesn't just happen overnight. We
have to have people go through the course, get the qualification,
get the certific and then go either out as a
constable or as a training security officer who can use

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OC spray.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
This seems to be more of the same from labor cooming.
It might be a new slogan.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
We need to do more.

Speaker 9 (31:59):
We need do more, but you've had a better.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Quicker training you've had on the territorial lawless communities of
the security in the city. We are going to take
some reason convatsistas. They're not going to do it.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
We will do it, and we will fund it because
that's what we'll do. Talking about people, we're talking about
the totality of looking at territories and making them feel safe.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
We are going to take a very quick break. You
are listening to Mix one O four nine. It is
the week that was. Look still a few things to
discuss this.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Morning, but I do want to take you to a
story by Alex Tracy in the NT News a little
earlier this week, and the Northern Territory Chief Justice has
strongly criticized a decision by a local court judge to
give a slap on the wrist for an assault that
resulted in spinal injuries or spinal fractures, but found his
powerless to reverse it due to legislative changes. So last year,

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Mark Murray, fifty nine, pleaded guilty to aggravated assault after
he pushed his victim three times to the chest, causing
the man to fall onto a pile of kecks. The
man sustained four fractures to his lumbar spine and bruising.
Now Judge David Woodroffe fined Murray and did not record
a conviction on the basis that Murray had no prior

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convictions for violent offending, and that physical harm, as required
under Section one eight eighty two of the Criminal Code
Act of nineteen eighty three had not been established.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
The Director of Public Prosecutions appealed the decision on the
basis that the judge imposed a sentence contrary to the law,
in that Section seventy eight DC of the Sentencing Acts
of nineteen ninety five stipulated a mandatory minimum centus sentence
of actual imprisonment with a conviction to necessarily follow.

Speaker 11 (33:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Last week, Supreme Court Justice Michael Grant ruled that although
the decision of his lower court colleague was nonsensical, remarkable,
and plainly wrong, he could not overturn it as Section
seventy eight DC was no longer in force, it being
superseded by the Sentencing and Other Legislation Amendment Act of

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twenty twenty two on March twenty five this year.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
So this is clearly example of the labor government watering moment.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
You're wading down.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
The law and there's no We spoke about consequences here,
so there's no consequences. So now that seems to be
that you can assault someone where there's a physical injury
where it broken bones involved, and you can get a
no conviction in a bond. You know what messages that
sending people out there in the street, go your hardest,
which is absolutely clearly against the community expectation. Well, and
this comity cross into have you hurt someone, you should

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be punished, and it.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Goes into, I guess the argument from some Territorians that
our courts are not sentencing adequately in some cases.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
You know, for some people listening, that is what they'd
be thinking.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
But that's not the case.

Speaker 8 (34:46):
The case is that the Chief Justice couldn't do what
the community would want him to do and what is
sort of realistically shouldn't be done, but.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
He couldn't because he was bound by the law.

Speaker 9 (34:56):
Remember we make which the government change.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Courts only interpret the law, I think.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
But in this case, in this case that the lower
court judge has not had his interpretation of the law,
if you give him the benefit of that, doubt was
completely out of whack. The law that existed at the
time was that there is a mandatary sentence of some
time imprisonment. This was introduced by the Henderson government back

(35:22):
in about twenty eleven when people were getting glassed in
Mitchell Street on a regular basis, and the law that
was brought in the legislation introduced at the time was
that if you commit an assault causing serious harm, you
must serve some time of imprisonment. Now what has happened
in this case is that despite that law being in
place at the time, the lower court judge has said.

Speaker 9 (35:44):
Oh no, no, no, no no, I'm not going to
do that, and so then it's gone.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
Then the Chief Justice has had to look at it
and gone, this is nonsenical, et cetera, et cetera. But
in between the lower court dealing with it and getting
to the Supreme Court and the Chief Justice, who's obviously
quite sensible about these things, there's been a change in
that legislation. That mandatory sentencing that was introduced by the
Henderson government has been removed by this government.

Speaker 9 (36:09):
Now what you're seeing, well, I think.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
This really illustrates why we end up with mandatory sentencing,
right because people get outraged when they see a case
like that and they see someone who is not convicted,
who is not given a custodial sentence after committing such
a serious crime. And in this case, even though the
mandatory sentence was there. The judge didn't implement that. And

(36:32):
that's why you know, judges, I mean, lawyers are the
first ones to bar up streaming mad apart from this
one sitting next to me, when you discuss mandatory sentencing.
But I think they probably need to have a little
bit of a look in the mirror sometimes and say, well,
if you wonder why mandatory sentencing gets introduced by governments
and both strives, it's because of cases like this, and.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
The judicial interpretation is the issue here in coming in
question with the lower court interpretation of one eight two
on harm and harm cause has been made by the judge. Yes,
the Chief Justices said it's nonsensical that decision, but that
was the interpretation of that judge at the time.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
But if you go back to I remember when this
legislation was first introduced, it was about twenty ten or
twenty eleven, and it was that you had to serve
an actual term in custody, right if you were convicted
of a serial months or something.

Speaker 9 (37:28):
No, no, no, it was just a term. There wasn't.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
It wasn't and that was the issue because it wasn't given.
What was happening was that magistrates as they were at
the time, were just sentencing the person to the rest
of the day in the cells.

Speaker 9 (37:42):
I'll go and go and sit downstairs. That's your term
of imprisonment.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
At four o'clock you can live, you know, because there's
this tension between the courts and the Parliament. Now, the
courts are supposed to enact the laws that the Parliament make,
but they've been sort of trying to wriggle around them.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Well, and let's not forget the Parliament makes those laws
based on, you know, what territorians think is appropriate, and
you know, like a lot of those times, those different
laws do need to be changed, as you'd said, Matt
back when Paul Henderson was the Chief Minister, because the
community is screaming out for it. I mean, every politician
is elected by your electorates to listen to Territorians, to

(38:23):
listen to what they're saying. So, you know, while you
then may have the judiciary at different times not necessarily agree.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
With some of that legislation, it is there because that
is what the people have asked for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
In this case, is not the actual judge got it wrong,
because the CJ said he plainly got it wrong and
his words. But the issue here is between the time
and the original decision was there and the appeal going
to the court, which could have taken a year, the
law was changed by the Labor government, so he couldn't
enforce the law. So the Chief Justice couldn't go back
and say the lower court got it wrong, so I'm
going to make it right.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Because the Labor.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Government changed the law, watered down the consequences, made it
easy for these offenders to get away without any consequence.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Is that's the issue in itiation is something that the
government needs to go back and relook at so we're
not in a situation like this again.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
This case, it's specifics. I'm not across the totally. I've
only seen it come up in the media. But the
term in one eighty eight to two in the Criminal
Code is about harm and causing harm. It's a bit
like the reasonable person test, and clearly the judge of
the lower Court has deemed that not appropriate and therefore
not a sentence to be in prison. The Chief Justice

(39:30):
said it's nonsensical. I think what we can do is
go away and have a look at this and talk
with the Chief Justice and get some advice on it.
The interpretation of the judiciary confounds people a lot of
the time. And I actually look further afield at Roe
versus Wade. In the United States, we're a change in
the Supreme Court has seen that overturn since nineteen seventy

(39:51):
two around women's rights and abortion, and that's changed the
entire landscape in the United States where the next election
could be fought and won or loss on Rover.

Speaker 9 (40:03):
The question.

Speaker 6 (40:05):
The question here is whether like the Ant Labor government
has clearly undone what the Henderson Labor government did in
twenty eleven, and they have removed the mandatory sentence for
a serious assault causing harm. And the question I guess
for the government was was that the right thing to do.
Should there be a mandatory sentence, a mandatory term of

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imprisonment for someone who commits a serious assault causing physical harm,
regardless of the interpretation of the judge. But let's presume
that the judge agrees that physical harm was caused in
that case, should someone face a mandatory term of imprisonment?

Speaker 5 (40:41):
And I haven't read the ruling, so I don't know
whether Judge Woodwood has agreed that under one eight two
harm has been the judge.

Speaker 6 (40:48):
That the judge Jude Woodward's assessment was that the spinal
fractures suffered by the victim I think did not amount
to serious harm.

Speaker 9 (40:57):
And that's that's where the Chief Justice has say, yeah,
that's right. But that's that's a question for the judge.

Speaker 6 (41:03):
The question for the government is whether there should be
a mandatory sentencing where physical harm is found.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
And clearly, in repealing that element of seventy eight DC,
we've removed mandatory sentencing from that.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Huh.

Speaker 9 (41:18):
That's the question is whether that yes, because that's what
we did.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
But why like why would you then remove that mandatory
sentencing for somebody who's physically assaulted somebody to the point
of injury.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
So the argument about manager seting has been as long.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Even it's a minimum mandatory sentencing, So like Matt had
said earlier, you know, they could literally put someone in
jail for half the day, but it's still a minimum
mandatory sentence. I mean, if somebody is physically harmed and
injured as a result of an assault, a lot of
people listening would think, well, that should result in a
mandatory sentence of some sort.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Yeah, So the manager sentence has been repealed in this case.
The judge is found that harm wasn't constituted under one ada.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I will just say that, according to to Chief Justice Grant,
Judge Woodroff circumvented the mandatory minimum by telling the court
he would read down ie narrow the scope of interpretation
to avoid infringing other principles the section, as courts have
a lawful discretion in sentencing.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
See, that's not the issue. This issue here is that
the CJ said the lower court got it wrong, plainly
wrong with thing his words. So let's put that behind us.
What the issue is here is that the Labor gument
in the meantime has changed law and taken away that
managary sentencing, which I say and the CELP say, is
the community and we commit to bring that back. So
they used to make it very clear that if the
Colps elected in August, we are going to reinstate those

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lords about the managory minimum sentencing because we feel that
is what the community expectation is and that's all we
get elected to do, to represent the community and bring
their views into Parliament make those views of law. If
Labor government have clearly failed he because they've changed it.
They made it easier to get away with during a
crime and hurting someone.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
I find it staggering that the lower court judge believed
the fracturing spine, fracturing vertebrae was not serious. Like, how
would he like being pushed three times into a pile
of rocks or a pile of beer barrels or whatever.
Maybe he needs to get out into the real world
and have a look at people who have been damaged
by physical assault and left with not only physical scars,

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but perhaps emotional scars.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
As a previous lawyer, I wanted to speak out of
shot bit, but ultimately it's for the lawyers to present
that evidence to the judge. Remember, the judge doesn't go
away and do its own investigations. The judges to the
barn says, you forgive me the evidence. I'll make a decision.
I don't know that, But it's up to the lawyers
on both sides to present and make cases to the judge.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Look, we are going to have to take a very
short break. You are listening to Mix one O four
nine's three sixty. It is the week that was before
we wrap up for the morning well targeting culling of
saltwater crocodiles, that's going to resume in the Northern Territory,
with the government stopping short of mass culls in their
new ten year plan to manage the saltwater crocodiles.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Bring it on color, I mean, is it enough?

Speaker 9 (44:01):
Targeted culoring is not really a color culing though?

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Is it like that?

Speaker 9 (44:05):
The whole idea of culling is that it's not.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
It'll be twelve hundred can be killed each year, up
from three hundred under the previous plant. There's no doubt
that there is an enormous population of crocodiles.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
It feels like it doesn't a hundred thousand in our
way now week. Jared grew up here, I grew up here.
You grew up here else Alice Springs or Jared and I.
There are places we swim as kids around Millner's Creek,
King's Creek.

Speaker 9 (44:30):
Seeing pictures from like the Daily and Mary people swimming.

Speaker 8 (44:33):
And the fact is in the what is it fifty
years that there's been no culing, no whatever, that the
population numbers have grown and those that are old, well
youngest crocodiles then and now very old big crocodiles. And
what happens is when the rivers get full figuratively speaking
of male crocodiles, they move further afield the young males
to set up their own patch.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
And that's part of the targeted color.

Speaker 5 (44:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
So the fact is we need to have Yes, I
do that for tourism. John.

Speaker 8 (45:00):
The problem with that, Katie, interesting proposition is we can
have safari hunting. The problem is the hunter can't take
the skull or any of the remains out of the
country because crocodiles are on the Sciety's list of protection.
So we can have culing and we can have safari
hunting tomorrow with proper legislation et cetera, et cetera, and ethics.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Look, I don't know that people would agree. I just
thought too thought, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
I don't know out there who are interested. It's like
people who are interested in shooting the five hundred caliber bullets.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
You know, over two kilometers. There are people there, hunters
from particularly Germany America that would come for safari hunting
because you can I.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Jump in that people are interested about catching the million
dollar fish, and I'm going to be well.

Speaker 7 (45:39):
They're not very good at it, are they?

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Because like to see a million dollar pig hunts as well. Yes,
what about that.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
No, I agree with that, that would be fabulous, But
I think it's as long as it's done properly. And
I'm sure the government whoever's done this strategy has looked
at the culling and yeah, say yeah, bring it on,
make our community safer in the waterways.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
It's just another example of the government have failed to
manage to be.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Ere.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Long were used to every time the Labor government said
the chaos and dysfunction of the seal, we had to
like spell our coffee.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
So now it's.

Speaker 9 (46:21):
What are you doing this weekend? Because the.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
Fishing on the daily with the darw And Game Fishing
Club and stuff for the juniors.

Speaker 7 (46:34):
On make sure you don't fall out of the boat
and get it from the backlas. Too many of them
we need to cull them.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Well, look we are going to have to leave it there.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Jared Mayley, the Deputy Opposition leader and here for the
Seal Peace.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
Thank you for your time this morning, Thanks Katie, Thanks
for listeners.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time,
Thanks Wolf Independent, Keisy Appearodic, thank you and a.

Speaker 8 (46:54):
Shout out to the cool Pina Volunteer Fire Brigade they've
got their thirtieth birthday anniversary this Sunday. I have to
do golf club. Lots of fun things for kids and
that stuff. Yeah, it'll be a nice day. Plus you
have to do golf club. And I've got nice bistro
there and I don't know nice green grasses.

Speaker 9 (47:09):
So he wants to do.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
What to do?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Playground getting built and.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Of course for the from the Labor Party and the
Minister for Tourism and various other portfolios.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
Thank you on the Minister for oz kick which starts
Saturday nine am at the Nightcliff Middle School.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
So this Saturday nine am and if you just want
to have a kick of the foot, he come down.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
We're running a kicking clinic from nine am Nightcliffe Middle School.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
A littleis went there when they were much younger. It
was good fun.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
It's good fun, the bloody brilliant good stuff. Well, thank
you all so much for your time this morning.