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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Last week we spoke quite a bit actually about the
possibility of a jetty at East Point. Now, it was
after we'd had a discussion with AFANT about land based
fishing and some of the locations it might be good
for that land based fishing to happen. Some of you
were all for it, others not so much. All of
us wondering though where the money would come from. And
it seems the government have have got some money there
(00:23):
will They say that they're making the Territori's favorite pastime
even better with nineteen point eight million dollars an investment
in budget twenty twenty four for more recreational fishing infrastructure
in the top end. And joining us on the line
right now is the Minister for Recreational Fishing, Joel Bauden.
Good morning to you, Joel, Good morning Cody, Thanks so
(00:44):
much for your time. Now consultations opened on a new
proposed fishing jetty at Dudley Point. Joel, can you talk
us through sort of exactly where it would be and
what this will look like?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, So, as you said, have you say is open
so you can go online to put in your feedback. Now,
a lot of people know the East Point area but
it's a bit further down past Peewee's and there's a
nice car park there. It's the Dudley Point Spot. And
what we're asking people to tell us is what they
think it should look like. Because we've put nineteen point
(01:17):
eight million, as you said, into the budget, it's not
all going to go in this one project, but we've
put money there. We want to get an accessible land
based fishing platform there, jetty or whatever you want to
call it, and we want people to tell us what
they want it to look like and maybe how far
out it goes, and what they think the aesthetics of
the place should look like. But it's really exciting. Overwhelming
(01:39):
feedback in the last twenty four hours since we announced
it about mums and dads taking their boys and girls
down there to have a fish on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, it's such a nice spot, right and I go
running around there quite often and there is always people
around East Point having a fish and they're quite often
sort of standing out on the rocks, you know, different
areas around there, and look, I think it sounds like
a wonderful idea. I guess the big question is, Joel,
how much money could potentially go towards this out of
(02:07):
that nineteen odd million, and where are we getting it from.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, we get it from consolidated revenue CATIE. You know
how that works. The federal government are a number one funder,
but we also have our own source revenue that's about
eight and a half to nine billion dollars a year
that we allocate as a government. So we put just
about twenty into this recreational fishing. There's a couple of
other spots that are going to get upgrades, so I
think Dona Beach is one that's important because that's going
to be for all accessibilities. Dundee Beach is getting some
(02:35):
upgrades of the boat ram because that didn't go that
well last time. But we've got twenty million or thereabouts
to invest in recreational fishing, and after the consultation, we'll
see what comes back and there will be plenty of
money within that twenty million to go towards the Dudley
Point jetty or accessible platform that we're going to use
the fision. It's actually deep water out there. If you
(02:55):
go a little bit out from the coast, and if
there's a high tide, you should be able to get
to some deep water you should be able to get
some macro Ultravali maybe some snapper who knows. But it
is a really good spot, as you said, and of
course right you can go down on the weekend. There's
the food vans down there, there's the play equipment, there's
the Alexander Lake, all those things. It's a really really
good place and this will make it even.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Better, Minister. For those out there listening who are just
trying to wrap their heads around exactly where this is
at Dudley Point, can you paint a bit of a
picture for us, And I know that it is part
of the consultation, but just to give people a bit
of an idea, yep.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So if you know where the food vans are, and
let's call it the beach there, you've got to go
probably another k and a half down the road. You
pass Peewee's on the left, another four or five hundred
meters there and it's on the point Dudley Point at
East Point. There's a really big car park which makes
it really accessible. For instance, I don't have a boat, Katie,
but if I wanted to go fishing with my daughter
(03:50):
or my son, I could jump in the car. We
could go down there. We'll park within fifty meters of
the jetty, a little bit like Nightcliff jetty is you
can walk out and you'll be able to throw a
line in and hopefully catch as well.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Look, I think people will probably I know that we
spoke about this last week after a discussion with a
fat and it was a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Some people were all for it, and they were going,
this could be awesome, Katie, could be so wonderful to
see a Jeddy out there. Others somebody had actually emailed
me and said, hang on a second, don't we have
quite historical significance around their war history. But from where
you're telling me, it would be it does feel as
though it's, you know, a bit further away from the
gun turrets and you know and the war museum and
(04:30):
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, it's certainly away from there, but it is on
the point, so Dudley point. It just gives that little
bit extra push out into the ocean, and we're hoping
with a jetty or a structure there that goes out
a bit further, you'll be able to get into some
deeper water and catch some fish. But the most thing
is that it's accessible because not everyone can afford a boat.
Not everyone's got a mate who's got a boat. I'm
actually chasing up a couple of mates at the moment
(04:53):
to see if for this long weekend they might be
able to take me out. Here is an accessible platform
that will be able to use seven days a week.
If you want to go for a fish on a
you know you've got a day off, you got a
nadie on Monday or Tuesday, you can go out and
have a fish. Or if you've got a long weekend
with the kids on the family, you can go down there,
throw a line in and hopefully catch a little tricky snapper.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Minister, is it a bit controversial that you're the Minister
for recreational fishing without a boat.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, that is a bit controversial. I've been asking my
wife for a long time now, especially we've got the
wreck fishing portfolio if I could buy a boat, and
she said to me, not yet. Just keep borrowing Rockies boat,
or keep borrowing Steve's boat, or keep going out with sires.
It is a bit controversial, but I've got the three
mates have all got boats, so that's a good stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Lucky lucky for you. Hey, I do want to go
on to another issue within your portfolio. The ABC this
morning reporting that footage has emerged that allegedly shows commercial
barrel Monday gill nets strung across wide stretches of remote
Northern Territory waters where commercial fishing is banned now. According
to this report, traditional owners and charter fishing operators from
(05:58):
the Arna Bay area been left outraged by the alleged discovery,
branding the commercial operators as disrespectful and a disgrace. Minister,
what do you know of this situation?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, we've had it reported to us, Katie and so
I had a meeting on Monday with ant fisheries instructing
them to go and investigate. Apart from that, we take
this seriously because there are agreements between Aboriginal landowners between
the government. There are a number of historical decisions and
agreements that have been met, you know, this is going
back a number of years, decades now that need to
(06:34):
be abided by the rules. Are the rules now? If
the rules have been broken, then we will act accordingly.
But right now we're just investigating these allegations. And I
have seen the report on the ABC. So I am
aware of it. What we're just going to have to
wait while Anti Fisheries do an investigation into this allegation.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
When is the government going to make a formal decision
as to whether to sort of ban that gill netting
in some of those different areas.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, I think it's going to be stay. It's about
eighty days to go until the election, So we'll make
some sort of statement in the very near future about
our fans wishly. So they've put an extensive list of
requests to government. They've done it, both the government and
the opposition. So we're working through that and we'll make
we'll make a public statement in the near future about
what we can and can't commit to leading into the
(07:24):
twenty fourth of August, which is again only eighty days away.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, I guess it's a tough juggle here because obviously
your recreational fishes and you know there and your traditional
line is quite concerned about that gilnetting. But then on
the other hand, you have got people that want to
come to the Northern Territory and be able to buy
an affordable piece of barrow Monday to eat at a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's right, And we've got to try and get that
balance right. It's multi factory because not only have we
had the million dollar barrow, we've got those people who
want to eat barrow Monday. You know, they want to
have it on the menu whe whether they're in Melbourne,
Sydney or in Darwin. So we've got to get the
balance right between recreational fishing and commercial fishing. We've got
to get the balance right between tourism and local local industry.
(08:05):
So it is it's a really difficult one. I didn't think, Katie,
that recreational fishing would be as difficult as it is.
I thought it might have been a little bit of
fun and that my wife might have let me buy
a boat so I could go out fishing more often.
But it has turned into something that takes up a
lot more of my time than I first thought it would.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Now well to good fish exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean three territories goes fishing, and we know it's
a two hundred and seventy million dollar industry in our economy.
Like that's a lot of money that goes into fishing
and recreational fishing.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Minister Rob's just gotten in contact with us to ask
where things are at with the repairs to the East
Arm Boat Ramp. He's a man in his seventies. He
sustained arm injuries about six months ago, adding that he
also injured himself while using the ramp about two months ago.
He says it needs urgent repairs due to the safety risks,
(08:55):
but it doesn't seem to be a priority for the
government minister where things as with the Rapeas to East
Arm Boat.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Ramp, We'll have to get Rob's number and we'll have
to talk to him. Cody, I'm not across any urgent
repairs for East Arm, but if you can pass on
his number, then we can get in contact with Rob
and try and follow that up as soon as possible.
Any anything to do with safety, I am absolutely all
over it because safety is paramount and we have to
make sure that people are safe. That's what I was
talking about Diner Beach where we're making it as safe
(09:24):
as possible as an all accessibilities and disability ramp. I
mean it's the closest one Dinah Beach to most people
in Darwin, so safety is a priority as well as accessibility.
All right, we will again on Rob's number, we will
chase that up.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
We'll make sure he's all right with us passing that
on and we'll see if we can have a bit
of a yarn with him as well. Minister, appreciate your
time this morning, Thanks very much for having a chat
with us. Before I let you go. Where can people
go if they do want to have their say on
a proposed jenny at well at east Point.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's have your say, So just go to Google and
type in have your say and you can put east
Point jetty. You'll find it from there. Please please get involved,
Please tell us what you think, because the more people
who let us know, the better we can adapt, and
that when we can accommodate different groups and be receptive
but also understanding to the needs of the community. That's
what this is about, community accessible fishing areas.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Just really quickly before I let you go, because someone's
literally just messaged and said, seriously, land based fishing, but
having a boat ramp at Ease Point is a no
from me. This isn't a boat ramp that's being proposed,
is it.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Let's call it a jetty, a land based fishing jetty
so that people are clear. Very similar to the Nightcliff
jety in its operations, it's a car park right there,
you can drive. You walk out onto the jetty, you
throw a line in and like my son did a
few years ago, you can catch an eighty centimeter barrow
Mondy with some live bait off the jetti like you
did at Nightcliff.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, there you go, Minister for Recreational Fishing. Job out
and good to speak with you this morning. Thank you
for your time.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Thank you.
Last week we spoke quite a bit actually about the
possibility of a jetty at East Point. Now, it was
after we'd had a discussion with AFANT about land based
fishing and some of the locations it might be good
for that land based fishing to happen. Some of you
were all for it, others not so much. All of
us wondering though where the money would come from. And
it seems the government have have got some money there
(00:23):
will They say that they're making the Territori's favorite pastime
even better with nineteen point eight million dollars an investment
in budget twenty twenty four for more recreational fishing infrastructure
in the top end. And joining us on the line
right now is the Minister for Recreational Fishing, Joel Bauden.
Good morning to you, Joel, Good morning Cody, Thanks so
(00:44):
much for your time. Now consultations opened on a new
proposed fishing jetty at Dudley Point. Joel, can you talk
us through sort of exactly where it would be and
what this will look like?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, So, as you said, have you say is open
so you can go online to put in your feedback. Now,
a lot of people know the East Point area but
it's a bit further down past Peewee's and there's a
nice car park there. It's the Dudley Point Spot. And
what we're asking people to tell us is what they
think it should look like. Because we've put nineteen point
(01:17):
eight million, as you said, into the budget, it's not
all going to go in this one project, but we've
put money there. We want to get an accessible land
based fishing platform there, jetty or whatever you want to
call it, and we want people to tell us what
they want it to look like and maybe how far
out it goes, and what they think the aesthetics of
the place should look like. But it's really exciting. Overwhelming
(01:39):
feedback in the last twenty four hours since we announced
it about mums and dads taking their boys and girls
down there to have a fish on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, it's such a nice spot, right and I go
running around there quite often and there is always people
around East Point having a fish and they're quite often
sort of standing out on the rocks, you know, different
areas around there, and look, I think it sounds like
a wonderful idea. I guess the big question is, Joel,
how much money could potentially go towards this out of
(02:07):
that nineteen odd million, and where are we getting it from.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, we get it from consolidated revenue CATIE. You know
how that works. The federal government are a number one funder,
but we also have our own source revenue that's about
eight and a half to nine billion dollars a year
that we allocate as a government. So we put just
about twenty into this recreational fishing. There's a couple of
other spots that are going to get upgrades, so I
think Dona Beach is one that's important because that's going
to be for all accessibilities. Dundee Beach is getting some
(02:35):
upgrades of the boat ram because that didn't go that
well last time. But we've got twenty million or thereabouts
to invest in recreational fishing, and after the consultation, we'll
see what comes back and there will be plenty of
money within that twenty million to go towards the Dudley
Point jetty or accessible platform that we're going to use
the fision. It's actually deep water out there. If you
(02:55):
go a little bit out from the coast, and if
there's a high tide, you should be able to get
to some deep water you should be able to get
some macro Ultravali maybe some snapper who knows. But it
is a really good spot, as you said, and of
course right you can go down on the weekend. There's
the food vans down there, there's the play equipment, there's
the Alexander Lake, all those things. It's a really really
good place and this will make it even.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Better, Minister. For those out there listening who are just
trying to wrap their heads around exactly where this is
at Dudley Point, can you paint a bit of a
picture for us, And I know that it is part
of the consultation, but just to give people a bit
of an idea, yep.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So if you know where the food vans are, and
let's call it the beach there, you've got to go
probably another k and a half down the road. You
pass Peewee's on the left, another four or five hundred
meters there and it's on the point Dudley Point at
East Point. There's a really big car park which makes
it really accessible. For instance, I don't have a boat, Katie,
but if I wanted to go fishing with my daughter
(03:50):
or my son, I could jump in the car. We
could go down there. We'll park within fifty meters of
the jetty, a little bit like Nightcliff jetty is you
can walk out and you'll be able to throw a
line in and hopefully catch as well.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Look, I think people will probably I know that we
spoke about this last week after a discussion with a
fat and it was a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Some people were all for it, and they were going,
this could be awesome, Katie, could be so wonderful to
see a Jeddy out there. Others somebody had actually emailed
me and said, hang on a second, don't we have
quite historical significance around their war history. But from where
you're telling me, it would be it does feel as
though it's, you know, a bit further away from the
gun turrets and you know and the war museum and
(04:30):
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, it's certainly away from there, but it is on
the point, so Dudley point. It just gives that little
bit extra push out into the ocean, and we're hoping
with a jetty or a structure there that goes out
a bit further, you'll be able to get into some
deeper water and catch some fish. But the most thing
is that it's accessible because not everyone can afford a boat.
Not everyone's got a mate who's got a boat. I'm
actually chasing up a couple of mates at the moment
(04:53):
to see if for this long weekend they might be
able to take me out. Here is an accessible platform
that will be able to use seven days a week.
If you want to go for a fish on a
you know you've got a day off, you got a
nadie on Monday or Tuesday, you can go out and
have a fish. Or if you've got a long weekend
with the kids on the family, you can go down there,
throw a line in and hopefully catch a little tricky snapper.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Minister, is it a bit controversial that you're the Minister
for recreational fishing without a boat.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, that is a bit controversial. I've been asking my
wife for a long time now, especially we've got the
wreck fishing portfolio if I could buy a boat, and
she said to me, not yet. Just keep borrowing Rockies boat,
or keep borrowing Steve's boat, or keep going out with sires.
It is a bit controversial, but I've got the three
mates have all got boats, so that's a good stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Lucky lucky for you. Hey, I do want to go
on to another issue within your portfolio. The ABC this
morning reporting that footage has emerged that allegedly shows commercial
barrel Monday gill nets strung across wide stretches of remote
Northern Territory waters where commercial fishing is banned now. According
to this report, traditional owners and charter fishing operators from
(05:58):
the Arna Bay area been left outraged by the alleged discovery,
branding the commercial operators as disrespectful and a disgrace. Minister,
what do you know of this situation?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, we've had it reported to us, Katie and so
I had a meeting on Monday with ant fisheries instructing
them to go and investigate. Apart from that, we take
this seriously because there are agreements between Aboriginal landowners between
the government. There are a number of historical decisions and
agreements that have been met, you know, this is going
back a number of years, decades now that need to
(06:34):
be abided by the rules. Are the rules now? If
the rules have been broken, then we will act accordingly.
But right now we're just investigating these allegations. And I
have seen the report on the ABC. So I am
aware of it. What we're just going to have to
wait while Anti Fisheries do an investigation into this allegation.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
When is the government going to make a formal decision
as to whether to sort of ban that gill netting
in some of those different areas.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, I think it's going to be stay. It's about
eighty days to go until the election, So we'll make
some sort of statement in the very near future about
our fans wishly. So they've put an extensive list of
requests to government. They've done it, both the government and
the opposition. So we're working through that and we'll make
we'll make a public statement in the near future about
what we can and can't commit to leading into the
(07:24):
twenty fourth of August, which is again only eighty days away.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, I guess it's a tough juggle here because obviously
your recreational fishes and you know there and your traditional
line is quite concerned about that gilnetting. But then on
the other hand, you have got people that want to
come to the Northern Territory and be able to buy
an affordable piece of barrow Monday to eat at a restaurant.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
That's right, And we've got to try and get that
balance right. It's multi factory because not only have we
had the million dollar barrow, we've got those people who
want to eat barrow Monday. You know, they want to
have it on the menu whe whether they're in Melbourne,
Sydney or in Darwin. So we've got to get the
balance right between recreational fishing and commercial fishing. We've got
to get the balance right between tourism and local local industry.
(08:05):
So it is it's a really difficult one. I didn't think, Katie,
that recreational fishing would be as difficult as it is.
I thought it might have been a little bit of
fun and that my wife might have let me buy
a boat so I could go out fishing more often.
But it has turned into something that takes up a
lot more of my time than I first thought it would.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Now well to good fish exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I mean three territories goes fishing, and we know it's
a two hundred and seventy million dollar industry in our economy.
Like that's a lot of money that goes into fishing
and recreational fishing.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Minister Rob's just gotten in contact with us to ask
where things are at with the repairs to the East
Arm Boat Ramp. He's a man in his seventies. He
sustained arm injuries about six months ago, adding that he
also injured himself while using the ramp about two months ago.
He says it needs urgent repairs due to the safety risks,
(08:55):
but it doesn't seem to be a priority for the
government minister where things as with the Rapeas to East
Arm Boat.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Ramp, We'll have to get Rob's number and we'll have
to talk to him. Cody, I'm not across any urgent
repairs for East Arm, but if you can pass on
his number, then we can get in contact with Rob
and try and follow that up as soon as possible.
Any anything to do with safety, I am absolutely all
over it because safety is paramount and we have to
make sure that people are safe. That's what I was
talking about Diner Beach where we're making it as safe
(09:24):
as possible as an all accessibilities and disability ramp. I
mean it's the closest one Dinah Beach to most people
in Darwin, so safety is a priority as well as accessibility.
All right, we will again on Rob's number, we will
chase that up.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
We'll make sure he's all right with us passing that
on and we'll see if we can have a bit
of a yarn with him as well. Minister, appreciate your
time this morning, Thanks very much for having a chat
with us. Before I let you go. Where can people
go if they do want to have their say on
a proposed jenny at well at east Point.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's have your say, So just go to Google and
type in have your say and you can put east
Point jetty. You'll find it from there. Please please get involved,
Please tell us what you think, because the more people
who let us know, the better we can adapt, and
that when we can accommodate different groups and be receptive
but also understanding to the needs of the community. That's
what this is about, community accessible fishing areas.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Just really quickly before I let you go, because someone's
literally just messaged and said, seriously, land based fishing, but
having a boat ramp at Ease Point is a no
from me. This isn't a boat ramp that's being proposed,
is it.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Let's call it a jetty, a land based fishing jetty
so that people are clear. Very similar to the Nightcliff
jety in its operations, it's a car park right there,
you can drive. You walk out onto the jetty, you
throw a line in and like my son did a
few years ago, you can catch an eighty centimeter barrow
Mondy with some live bait off the jetti like you
did at Nightcliff.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Well, there you go, Minister for Recreational Fishing. Job out
and good to speak with you this morning. Thank you
for your time.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Thank you.
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