The Week That Was – 14th June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well it is Friday morning.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
It is time for the week that wasn't in the
studio with us this morning. Alice Springs representing Joshua Burgo
and for the Scene Katie.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Good morning the Central Australia.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, good to have you on the show. We've got
Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good morning to your match from.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Out in the rural area.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Keys Here Puric, good morning to you morning Katie.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Morning Bush People Actualty out in the Bush.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
And representing the Northern Suburbs and the Labour Party in
arir Kids, Good morning to you.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Lovely to have you all in the studio. Now, look,
we'll start off with Territory Day because the government have announced,
they announced yesterday on the show that Territory Days returning
back to Mindle Beach after what has been a.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Bit of a debacle. I think you'd have to say
you early in the week.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Other words, but I don't think I should.

Speaker 6 (00:50):
I know, there seem to be a lot of buck
passing by the government and it did seem like no
one really knew what everyone was doing.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Running the show is running the show.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Any person who made any sense was Benettict from me.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, So it kicked off sort of last Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We'd spoken about it on the week that was, because
I'd asked, you know, we'd received messages on Thursday from
a couple of the market stall holders and they'd said
to us, Katie, we're really concerned.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
We're hearing the Territory Day is going to be down
at the waterfront, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We thought, all right, we'll ask about it on the
week that was. Joel Boden didn't seem to know anything
much about it, so we thought, all right, let's see
what happens. By Tuesday morning, when we had Brent Potter
on the show, he was saying, yet it's moving, and
had given different reasons and essentially said that the reason
was that a complaint had been made to the Aboriginal
Areas Protection Authority, or that a complaint had been made

(01:40):
and that they needed that certificate.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
We ended up then having Benedict's Scambrey on the show
from the Aboriginal Areas Protection Authority and he said, well,
it's not essential. They haven't had it for the last
twenty three years. It's not essential, but it is obviously
a sacred side area down there. And so yep, it
is an important an area of great importance down there.
I mean I was like my brain was going, well,

(02:04):
hang on a second, why can't we still have base
in the grass? Why can we still have mindle markets?
Why can't we still have everything else?

Speaker 6 (02:10):
And the markets there every week in the dry ticle week,
in this drive season with thousands of people. I there's
something that happened with the major events people. And no
disrespect any hardworking person in that agency. But I when
they said waterfront us, are you serious, Like it's the
area to the right of the wood or the water.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Parklands, I think it's there's bugger all space there.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
There was a lot a lot of buck passing.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
The humans wouldn't been able to fit into that space.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
There was a lot of buck passing. When it came
to this KDO, it was interesting, you know, coming from
our springers coming up here and listening to what's been happening.
But I think we were told it was either it
was a risk of erosion, someone had made a complaint,
and by the end of the week, all of a sudden,
I hang on, we're going to turn around and we're
going to we're going to do what everyone else wants
us to. So I think when we listen to what's
been happening over the week, someone knew what was going on.

(02:57):
But at the end of the day, obviously no one
wanted to actually come out and say what was going on,
and too.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Kind Joshua.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Going on.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
They knew what was going on, they didn't want to
do anything about it, and then when every one got
angry and upset about it, they had to do a backflip.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, we did then end up having Evil Lawler on
the show again yesterday, and she had said that there
was one complaint made two NT Major events. So there
was a complaint made to NT Major Events, is what
she had said, because for a while there we were
kind of going, well, hang on, has a complaint even
been made? After speaking to Ben from the Aboriginal Area's
Protection Authority. But I also want to note that there

(03:35):
was a question asked of the Attorney General, Chancey Paike
about this as well as I understand it in estimates,
and I actually thought the response from him was an
incredibly interesting one where it was you know that there
was advice provided and I would need to go back
and find the actual but yeah, well that's so advice
provided was provided to NT Major Events that while the

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permit was not essential, if any damage was done, that
ANT Major Events would be liable. Now to me, and
I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth, but it sort
of sounded like a thinly veiled threat to me, where
it was like, well, if something goes wrong here, no,
that's like that's on you. So that's a big risk
then for NT Major Events to be taking, Katie.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
The Anti Major Events is a standalone agency. They've just
sorted out the Barunga Music Festival, They've had involvement in
the Greek Glenty, so they are well practiced. One would
think into these major events that come with risks.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't know if do they organize wronger, I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
They certainly were and are also with Glenty if nothing
else providing funding, and they would have a well practice
I would have thought risk assessment system and procedures in place.
So to say there's some risk, you know, and therefore
they didn't want to take any risk.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I just find that bullshit.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Twenty three years it's been happening and for all of
a sudden this comes up.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Mari, what did you make of it?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
All.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
Yeah, I was surprised when I heard that it was
going to be moved to like the majority of Darwin
Night's we want it down at Mindle Beach, and I'm really.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Glad that it's back there.

Speaker 7 (05:06):
I did hear through Minister Paike's estimates appearance him saying
very clearly that it is best practice that Middle Beach
is part of sacred land belonging to the Larichie people and.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
That liabilities would flow.

Speaker 7 (05:20):
But like Haasier says, Major Events that are an amazing
company who are focused on delivering world class events in
the Northern Territory right throughout the year. And so I'm
happy to see it return to Mindle Beach and I'm
really glad that, yeah, we can support that, and I'm
looking forward to having a great Territory day right around
the Northern Territory for everybody, no matter where they are.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Do we know which area in particular is of concern?
Because I thought to myself as well, is there a
situation where that can be petitioned off? You know where
it can actually be called and Doph.

Speaker 6 (05:54):
I mean in olden days, and I've known people who
have since died who definitely knew that here. It was
used by original people, whether it be the Larochie of
people here in Darwen or sometimes the Tiwi people came
over and you know, those people were buried there. I
mean this old lady who since died said she used
to see them and they used to do dancers and
crabbiges and celebrations in that whole bay area, in that

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whole bay. But with the passing of time, of course,
you know that's been eroded, not figurably so not literally.
But if there is one particular area or or a
special area where certain things happen that is sacred, like
you know church in our Christian world, then yes that
should be protected and it should be quarantined or sectioned off,
you know, with appropriate signage and fencing and whatever. But

(06:35):
just to come out with a blanket, oh you know
there's a problem there, Like that's bullshit. I mean, who,
First of all, there's there's not enough evidence here on
the table. Who is this one complainant? Where did the
advice come from, Who made the decision to physically move it,
and did that person then informed the government relevant minister
or with the chief minister that they were going to
move it? You know, I think there should be a
I'm not going to say a review into it, but

(06:56):
there's certainly is a lot of lessons that have come out.
There should be some learnings when you've got a such
a big event that's so popular in the territory.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Bit of an own goal by the government was.

Speaker 8 (07:07):
We're going to say, I watched the whole thing unfolded
and listened to it mostly on your show, Katie the
Thing and reading it as well in the anteen years
I couldn't I was. I was following it and I
never actually picked it up myself because I couldn't work
out exactly what was going on. Like there was there
was sort of an insinuation that that you know, Arper

(07:29):
had had sort of put the heavy on the government
when we found out that they'd done no such thing,
and so then it just seemed to be this, this
remarkable storm at a teacup.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know.

Speaker 8 (07:39):
It was even suggested to me yesterday, perhaps unkindly, that
the government had orchestrated this whole so the chief could
come in the last minute to be the savior and
maybe in an episode of Yes Minister or something, But
I don't think that was actually the case here that's
probably giving them too much credit, but yeah, it does.
It does seem that I think sometimes this happens with

(08:00):
government departments, that they view things in such a risk
averse manner and so then they don't make common sense decisions.
And I guess that's when the government's job is to
come in and say, well, you know, that might be
the advice that the department's giving, but come on, let's
make the sensible decision here.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
I think Brent Potter came out during the week and
said that they did come to him and tell them
about this. So for what we squashed on their head
right then, I mean, this is the thing. It's it's
the people power. Territories have stood up. We've got behind them,
you know, with the petitions and all the rest of it,
and now the right decisions been made of backflip's been
to be made by this slavery government, and I'm glad
to see that it's back where it should be.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah. Look, it was certainly an interesting, interesting situation throughout
the week. There is no doubt about that we're going
to take a really quick break when we come back.
There is still plenty to cover off on this week,
including the estimates process. We've also had further developments in
the IKAC situation as well as NAJA and what do
you think of that council sculpture.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
We'll talk more about a little bit later on the show.
You're listening to Mix one O four nine.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
sixty and if you've just joined us in the studio
with us today, we've got Josh Burgoin, Matt Cunningham, Keziapiric
and nari A Kit.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Now we know that there are.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Renewed calls for the Board of Average of Australia's largest
Indigenous legal service, to be sacked following allegations it appointed
a known domestic violence offender as its chair. Now, Matt,
I'm reading from your report earlier in the week that
Hugh Woodbree was appointed the chair of the North Australian
Aboriginal Justice Agency in March, almost four years after he

(09:37):
pleaded guilty to serious domestic violence offenses in Alice Springs.
The revelations in the Australian newspaper earlier in the week
followed a bitter internal dispute between the board's former chair,
Colleen Rosis and former chief Executive Priscilla Atkins that he
is the subject of ongoing legal action in the federal court. Now,
Darwin Barrister John Lawrence sc a former principal solicitor for

(09:59):
NAJ and former head of the Anti Criminal Lawyers Association,
told you mattch earlier in the week that the board
needed to be removed. Talk us through your report earlier
in the week and what John had said.

Speaker 8 (10:11):
Well, John's been talking about this until he's bluing the face,
and few others are. And it doesn't seem that a
lot of people are listening or have the ability to
do anything. But there is a crisis that is going
on at NAJA that has been going on for at
least eighteen months, if not more. That is most concerningly
seeing Aboriginal people going unrepresented in court.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
That is the biggest issue we've got here.

Speaker 8 (10:33):
But in the background, you've got all of these shenanigans
playing out between the board board, current board members, ex
board members, CEOs x CEOs, you know, the former CEO
of Priscilla Atkins and the former chair, Collen Roses, are
locked in this bitter battle that's playing out in the
federal court. We're expecting you to get a decision there soon.
There've been all sorts of accusations that were made against

(10:54):
one another during those court proceedings, and then you had
the revelation this week in The Australian that Hugh be
the man who was made chair. He's just been made
chair that back in twenty twenty. They're calling it historic.
I'm not sure it's that historic. He pleaded guilty to
an incident in Alice Springs where he assaulted his pregnant partner,

(11:15):
stood on her stomach, yelled profanities in front of the
et cetera, et cetera. I don't think anyone. Everyone I've
spoken to about this says that it's unacceptable and it
is inappropriate for him to hold that position, and that
goes from the center. Prices talked about these issues for forever,

(11:35):
to Kate Orton, who was really strong on it the
other day, and she didn't equivocate at all. She just
said he has to go. And I think that that
is the position that most people hold. And yet he's
still there. They're still getting funding that he's given from
the federal government to the NT and then you get
this stupid back and forth between the federal government and
the ant government about whose responsibility is because no one

(11:57):
wants it seems to want to be the bad guy
here and step in and say enough for you guys.

Speaker 9 (12:01):
Until he's gone, you're not getting any more money.

Speaker 6 (12:03):
Is this is all about the governance of Narger and
for the board or if they outsourced it whatever, for
them to consider appointing a fellow like that, you know,
with his record he pleaded guilty and yes, I read
something that he said, I was a reform man and
God advice blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
And he may well have.

Speaker 6 (12:19):
He may well have, but whether he's really reformed one
will never know. But for the board to consider actually
appointing someone only a few years ago historic calls into
question the governance and the integrity of that board itself.
And I haven't heard it from John Lawrence asking for
them to quit, but I think they do, and I
think it needs to be a serious look at that,
because we've had the historic stuff, historic previous CEO's big

(12:42):
ship fights, lawyers leaving in Alice Springs in droves, and
ultimately it leaves the person that they're representing vulnerable for us,
they don't have the legal represented representation to do, you know,
what they need to do in the court, and NAGA does,
from what I understand, so much work in representing Aboriginal people,
particularly say women who have been domestic violence victims. So,
you know, how can this fellow sit very clearly at

(13:04):
a disk knowing what he's done in his past. I mean,
I get it, he's done his time. I get it,
he's done his punishment and all that sort of stuff. But
sometimes your past means you cannot do something in the future.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
And well, the fact it went through the court like
it went through court, We're not talking about an allegation here,
We're talking about something that's actually gone through court.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Yeah, So I think the board does need to have
serious look at itself and whether it's the anti governor
where it's a comorf government who needs to step in.
I don't know what the process would be, but that
governance issue is really serious and they just don't have it.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
It's so important, Katie, with these organizations they're set up
to represent people. There has been a lot of issues
that have been going on with NAGA that has been
well reported in the media. This is just another one
that has been brought to light. We've had as as
Matt Rightley said, the salpiece and it had just enterprise
come out and done labor Membrate Warden. We need to
ensure that these organizations are operating to do exactly what

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they're meant to do, and they represent people. They're being
funded by the territory, by the federal government, but taxpayers, taxpayers,
and at the end of the day, it does not
meet any pub test and that's what's really frustrating, O Katie.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
I just wanted to make sure that I put on
the public record.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
I was actually a.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
Darhin member of Najor for about two two and a
half years before I was pre selected. You know, it
is an important organization that does deliver important legal services
for Aboriginal territorians, and like Josh said, it's been in
the news a very long time for all the wrong reasons.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
And when I.

Speaker 7 (14:31):
Read this about the current chair, I was absolutely appalled.
As an Aboriginal woman, somebody who engages with victim survivors
of domestic and family and sexual violence on a regular nature.
And I'm all for reform and I'm all for behavior
change programs. I mean, I knocked on a door and
spoke to a gentleman a couple of months back, and
he was sharing a bit of his journey and it's
really important work. But I think Kere's he is right

(14:53):
when you've got somebody who's the chair with that background
only recently, I think the incident went back to twenty
twenty worry that that would turn potential clients away. Let's
remember that Narga is a company limited by guarantee. It
is funded through the federal government through an Aboriginal Legal
Service partnership that the Northern Territory government disperses to them.

(15:14):
A company limited by guarantee, I would hazard I guess,
as you know something like Woolworths, you can't just stand
down a board because your government and so again what's
going on I think is completely a borrn. I don't
support it at all, and I would like to think
that the NAGER board would actually reconsider their decision to
make this person the.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
Chair as someone who is a former member. As you say, Nari,
I mean. John Lawrence has said to me several times
that he has just looked on in shock and bewilderment
at what has been going on there for a few years. Now,
I mean, have you, as someone who was on the inside,
looked at what has been happening there. What is your

(15:53):
view of how NAGE has been operating, both at a
board level and as an organization over the past years.

Speaker 7 (16:01):
Yeah, as a former Darwin member, Matt, as an Aboriginal
person in the Northern Territory, we just want a functioning
Aboriginal legal service, no matter where you run on the
Northern Territory. Hearing that we have defendants who are representing
themselves because NAJA hasn't been able to provide the resources
as absolutely inexcusable. I get that there are court cases

(16:22):
ongoing at the moment and they will play out the
way that they need to, but we need a functional
Aboriginal legal service and that's what all the people.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Are calling for.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And what's happening with the funding? Because am I right
to say that you've called for funding to come back
from NADA that was given to them to actually represent
people that they then didn't. I mean that this is
what's been interesting down in all of Springs. You rightly said,
I think there've been people that have been flown in
to a essentially, you know, represent people because we don't
have the legal representation there for people. So what's actually

(16:49):
happening with that funding?

Speaker 5 (16:50):
So I'm just letting you know.

Speaker 7 (16:52):
What I can make sense of is that through the
Attorney General Injustice, they administer the federal grant through the
Federal Department of Attorney General and Justice, where we believe
here that the funds are provided for a service that's
not delivered. We're absolutely working with the FEDS to report that.
That's how this came about. My understanding is that the
federal government have made the decision to not dispense those

(17:14):
old to actually retrieve those funds for the un undelivered services.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
And who awards the contract? Is it the FEDS or
the NT government to actually say NADA is going to
be providing these services.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
I believe that that is. I'll have to just go
back to and double check. But NAGA is our only
Aboriginal legal service in the Northern Territory in Central Australia.

Speaker 9 (17:34):
Yeah, right, Carless, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
That's right. They got funded, well, they.

Speaker 8 (17:38):
Got taken over by NAGA essentially they do well, larger
took over their work. That was a few years ago,
It's maybe four or five years ago, and I think
the outcoming Alice Springs as a consequence of that has
not been.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Not been good at all.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
No, Katie, if what Nora says, sorry Abo, If Nora
says it's a company limited by a guarantee, it may
be something that asked me.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
To look at if it's best. If it's a listed
company limited by.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
Guarantee, and they need and there's very clear under the
relevant legislation, come off legislation the responsibilities and the roles
of directors of these kind of companies. So maybe that
needs to be put in the mix as well, because
clearly it is not functioning.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Mean, look functionally, you know, you look at different scenarios
around the place, and from like I'm just listening to
all of this and thinking to myself, we literally we
are funding this service as taxpayers. We're funding funding this
service which is not delivering the outcomes intended by the
sounds of it. In terms of that representation of clients
and that there's people then having to represent themselves. You know,

(18:40):
we've got a situation where there's an ongoing court case.
You've also got the situation where there is the chair
that's been appointed despite that, you know that that that.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Form of domestic violence incident.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
To me, it does not sound as though it's working
or functioning in the way that it's being funded to do.
So I cannot understand then how we you know, like
how we're in a situation where it's content like where
it continues to just flounder.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Maybe that happened.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Maybe our Attorney general needs to talk to the federal
Attorney General to trying to resolve this issue.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, it's got to be results, got to step in,
someone has.

Speaker 8 (19:15):
To step Earlier this year they went to Nager and said,
come on, sort your stuff out or you're in strife,
and Najer came back with a plan and that that
plan basically involved them, you know, seconding other lawyers from interstate,
as Josh has been saying, to sort of fly in.
But from what certainly from what I've been told that
there's an issue now that you know, a lawyer flies

(19:36):
in from Melbourne.

Speaker 9 (19:36):
Or Sydney lands in the Darwen local Court.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
To represent you know, an Aboriginal person accused of X,
Y and Z has no understanding of the antique court system,
has no understanding of the issues you know, specific to
the Northern Territory and to Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory.
And then as a consequence, you know, these cases are
getting deferred, adjourned, adjourned, adjourned, and it's just calolling up
the legal system.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Also, that's exact jail.

Speaker 9 (20:04):
I've got more than and it's just a cluster.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
It is.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
It absolutely is yesterday.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, look we will take a really quick break. You
are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
It is the week that was. You're listening to the
week that was. Now, we have just received information that
there are reports of a fire at the what Are school.
We are hearing that there has been well, yeah, so
there is a that we're being informed that there's been

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a fire at the water school with explosions.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Now we are trying to get some further confirmation on this.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
We've been on the NT incident fire map and there
is a fire, a structure fire in what air opposite
or just near the police station. We have called the school.
They say they sent staff home, they and didn't pick
up the kids today. We are of the understanding that
it's a pretty big fire in the training center is

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what we are being told. At this point of time
on the ground, So look, we'll do our best to
try to get some further detail of exactly what has
caused that fire. It is still happening now, is what
we're being told in the community of What Air. So
I am pleased to hear that the children did not
go to school today by the sounds of it, the
staff have been sent home. So I don't know exactly

(21:23):
what the situation is, but I just hope that everybody
is safe. That sounds like a frightening situation, particularly at
the school, you know, that's.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Where you lock that.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't even think I need to go into why
that is a frightening situation. I think we can all understand.
But we're being told no injuries have been reported and
police would advise members of the public to avoid the area.
That is what they have said. So, yeah, frightening situation.
We know that there has been a lot of unrest
in the community of What Air. I don't want to
speculate in any way that it's been a fire caused

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by somebody else when I do not know what the
situation is, but I think I can probably speak for
all of us when I say that the last thing
you want to see is a location like the school
suffering a fire.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
So we'll wait and hear just how extensive, no doubt
throughout the morning now, look just taking you across.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
There has been so much to cover off on this week,
as there always is, and we know that estimates has
been continuing in Parliament throughout the week. The Attorney General
obviously in the hot seed. A little earlier in the week,
it was revealed that more than one there's been more
than one hundred victims of crime applications launched on or
before twenty eighteen that still haven't been processed. Now, it's

(22:33):
probably not a huge shock to some of the victims
of crime out there listening this morning, but the Minister
had told estimates one hundred and seventeen victims of crime
applications were outstanding at least well at least six years
after being lodged.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I mean, it's an unbelievable amount of time to be weighed.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's incredible, And I do want to tell you a story,
k that we spoke about earlier. You know, in Nail
of Springs where I'm from, we've had victims of crime
that have been coming forward time and time and We've
recently had a business that was broken into that had
five vehicles stolen. One of those cars they were actually
fixing that have been stolen before. And the issue for
that business now, who pays for the excess? Who pays

(23:12):
for the excess for all those vehicles that were stolen?
Is it their insurance? Is it the individual people's car insurance?
And I think when we talk about victims of crime,
this is exactly the sort of thing that we're talking about,
because my understanding is doesn't cover excess. This is you know,
goes to cover people if they've had their door broken into.
I was unfortunate enough I had my house broken into
at the beginning of the year, and that's what they

(23:33):
talked to you about, Oh we can replace maybe a
door for you, or help you upgrade your security, all
those sorts of things. And when we're talking about all
these processes that are in play yet absolutely you know,
still one hundred that are yet to be formalized. These
are people that have been impacted by crime right across
the Northern Territory that unfortunately are no better off as
a result of these sorts of things. Whilst criminals are

(23:55):
let go, they're doing the wrong thing, and in some
cases we've seen detainees of the detentions paid out a
culmative effect of thirty five million.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well that's where people get really white frostrate when they
think to themselves, hang on a second, I've been a
victim of crime, my business has selferred, might put my
home as selferd, I've lost my car, whatever it may be.
And that's not even to mention people that have been
injured as well through different situations. It's I mean, it's
quite unbelievable that anybody would be waiting that long. Now.

Speaker 7 (24:23):
Yeah, six years is far too long, Katie, And that's
not okay. And I have no doubt that the Attorney
General has had some really good words with his department
to figure out the way forward to make sure that
all of those outstanding claims get investigated, looked at and
resolved as soon as possible. We hear the impact of
crime every single day. It is the biggest issue impacting territories.

(24:44):
We acknowledge that part of my role as as a
local member and the Minister for Territory Families is looking
at preventing the next generation behaving the same way that
we're seeing now. So strengthening families. We spoke earlier about
behavior change programs. It's supporting people through the systems we
have and the systems we're working to reform to help
them to make better decisions, and then where they choose
not to, it's.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Holding them to account.

Speaker 7 (25:05):
Because you know, crime shouldn't be the biggest issue that
we're facing, but unfortunately it is.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It absolutely is, you know, I mean it's something that
we still every day people are contacting us about. We've
had the issue of victims from victims of so from
victims who've been in contact with us, varying levels of
victims of crime, some of them really quite extreme. Who
have you know who have said, look, we have we've

(25:31):
had to wait for an incredibly long period of time
for any kind of assistance.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
So you know, we've got low pressure being no pressure
has been brought to bear Katie on the agency via
the minister to expedite these bloody claims or whatever it
needs to be done. I mean six years, I mean
half the times people might have left town by that. See,
that's the other thing, like how many are on the
list you know waiting for this, you know, some kind

(25:56):
of reason of.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Government for a long time and that's what's trustrated for
a lot of people out in the community and.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
It absolutely needs to be now.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Look, it wasn't the only area where the government's been
questioned throughout the week. We know there's a lot of
different areas where there's been questioning throughout throughout the estimates
process and will continue to be next week as well.
But there were certainly questions asked of the Chief Minister
earlier in the week about whether money would be repaid
that was spent in the leading to the last Northern

(26:23):
Territory election on travel from the former Chief Minister, Michael Gunner,
following on from the Ikak report. But I mean she
had said it wouldn't be repaid. Look, this whole situation
does not pitches the pub test.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
Just abused Michael Gunner and his office leading into the
last election, just basically abused his position of Chief Minister.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
In my view, I mean he used the plane. It
was clearly in his diary.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
It was clearly signal to all the stuff. Now I'm
going to this community, it's polling day. They tell me
all the people are there at once, and therefore it's
a good time for minister.

Speaker 9 (27:00):
I think that's what I mean.

Speaker 8 (27:02):
There was a lot of there are a lot of
people who were upset with that IKAC report because it
didn't make adverse findings. But if you read it either way,
he lays out the facts of what happened. Absolutely damn it.
And it's just absolutely clear what has happened here. I
mean that these trips were even marked in the diary

(27:22):
as polling, you know, I would say polling, miniary, polling,
what air you know? And so the purpose of the
trips is absolutely clear. There is no question about why
they were going to these areas during an election campaign
to coincide with Deirdre Chambers. What a coincidence when the
Electoral Commission was going to be there. So just playing
as the nose on your face. And the decent thing

(27:44):
to do for the Labor Party to do now is
to repay the money, right, forty thousand dollars of taxpayers money,
you know, give it back, yep, because that is what
people would expect to happen in that situation. You have
used taxpayers money to campaign for political purposes. It's absolutely
as plain as the nose on your face.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Is it going to get repaid?

Speaker 7 (28:06):
No, it won't so there were no adverse findings. It
was investigated by the I KAC. Everybody's had to look
through that report. All seven recommendations have been endorsed by
my government. But as soon as Chief Minister Eva Laula
took over the role as Chief Minister, the first thing
that Eva did was to make sure that Ministerial Code
of Conduct was all updated.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
It was very clear we took on board.

Speaker 9 (28:27):
Those money be paid back. Why shouldn't the money be
paid back?

Speaker 8 (28:31):
There were no adverse no, But I was just saying,
if you read the report, do you do you think
that what happened there was okay?

Speaker 7 (28:39):
I think there were no adverse findings?

Speaker 9 (28:42):
Was do you think that what happened there was okay?

Speaker 5 (28:45):
I wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 9 (28:46):
Okay, So do you think the money should be paid?

Speaker 7 (28:48):
I wouldn't have done it. They went back if there
were no adverse findings, if the.

Speaker 8 (28:53):
Questions not about the advisis, we've done questions about what
actually happened here. You see, if you've read the report,
you see you know these trips are linked polling me
Mary polling. That's how it's written in the diary. That
is the reason we are going there and you're using
taxpayers money to do it, So why shouldn't Labor pay
that money back to taxpayers given it was it's so

(29:13):
clear from that reports that the money.

Speaker 5 (29:16):
I didn't do the trouble.

Speaker 7 (29:17):
So maybe that's a question that's best aswer the former
chief minister.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
But well, well it's really a question for your party,
and you're a member of that party.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
And the answer has been no, we will know because
the adverse findings, and we have taken the steps to ensure.

Speaker 9 (29:31):
That this again, and this is where I think.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
Training has been done for fifth law ministerial stuff. All
of my staff have gone through us.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
We're very clear about what they needed.

Speaker 9 (29:39):
To be training clearly something that you haven't.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
There, Matt, Exactly.

Speaker 7 (29:43):
We take every recommendation on board properly, and our Chief Minister,
Evil Lawless, since coming to that role, has told everybody
very clearly she's about doing things above board properly.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
Okay, we're doing things above board.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
And probably the easiest way to make it clear that
you were serious about doing things above board and properly
is to pay back the money when you did things
not above board and not properly.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Right, I wouldn't have done it but the IKAK said
that there was no adverse fighting.

Speaker 8 (30:11):
And to be clear, he makes the point that he
couldn't make a finding one way or another, yes, and
so he didn't make an adverse finding. And he said
that that there were intolerable ambiguities or something in the
in the rules. But I mean, I think what's important
here and I think this is where we have to
look at things with the I K.

Speaker 9 (30:32):
People are smart enough to make their own decisions.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Right, Look at Kesier's case, right, so she is found corrupt,
the I cack says she's corrupt, and she gets and
her electors say, I believe you.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, we're still going to vote for you.

Speaker 8 (30:47):
So I mean, I guess it comes to sort of
a Pubis situation, like you know what, what did punters
actually think about this situation?

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (30:55):
And I know your average punt is not going to
read an ICIC report, But if you go and look
at the factors they're laid out.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
In that ICIC report, well I cannot read it, any
of it.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And I'll tell you right now that the day after
that came out, when we reported it on this show,
people were going off. So listeners were really really angry
and were saying, you know, if we knew that this
stunk when it was happening, it shouldn't have happened in
the first place. It's a gross misuse of territory taxpayers funds.
And I think that, you know, like I think that

(31:23):
this is where sometimes, well a lot of the time,
governments and you know, politicians of all stripes get it
very wrong every day. People are a lot smarter than
what politicians give them credit for. And people can see
what's right and what's wrong. And you know, when you
don't listen to them, when they're telling you what they
believe is right and wrong, that's when you wind up
getting voted out because people have a gut full and

(31:45):
they think, no, I'm not happy with.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
This, Katie.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
It's all very well to chuck the gate after the
horse has bolted, yeah, and to do training now to
make sure no one travels when they shouldn't travel in
an election campaign and caretaking out. But come on, the
people in the fifth floor right now are not newbies.
They're not fresh faced people straight out of UNI who
happen to get into a political office.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
They know stuff. They've had lots of good mentors past, you.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Know, Labor Party members who've been in Parliament up here,
the Chris Burns, the Paul Henderson's, declare Martins. You know,
they're all out there still in the big wide world,
you know, freely available to give advice. So don't tell me, oh,
we've now changed all the training. The bloody shouldn't have
done it. Michael Gunner's office and the staff whoever arranged
the trips and thought it was an okay thing, they.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Should have their bloody heads.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
We read they knew exactly what they're doing using government
money and maybe the Labor Party is not paying that
because I've got no bloody money understanding.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
There are further investigations that undergoing that, so you've probably
know more than the idea on this. You've been reading
and following it very closely. But my understanding is there
will be another report handed.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Down, another report coming in.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
It's going to be very interesting as to exactly what
that looks into and whether there are adverse findings. But
the frustration a lot of people have now is we
don't necessarily have the k inspector that was looking into.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
That commission are you okay, Commissioner.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
Working on that as we speak, So I think you know,
it's really important this is done in a timely manner
because territories do deserve to know exactly what's been happening here.
The Chief Minister has now changed all the rules because
she believes, you know, what was happening wasn't right. But
like we said, well.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
They're sitting still, Minister.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Look the question I've got at the moment this goes
really for the COLP and for the Labor Party. So
for both reps here this morning, do are there staff
working on either of your floors at the moment that
are doing jobs for the campaign?

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Absolutely not during work hours.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Not my team come out.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
They helped me in my electorate after work hours.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
They work for weekends as phone banks after hours.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
It's all documented. That's part of the process.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
And what about the people if they don't have the
labor values and want to see us re elected, Matt,
I don't get it.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
Well, you know, necessarily the labor values would be employed
on the fifth flior.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Like I I worked as a ministerial media adviser many
many years ago.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
For Rob Knight.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Floor all the time, and I think.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
To myself, do you know what one of the biggest
assets that I had was that I wasn't a labor
true believer.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
So you're actually honest.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
With your ministers at different times about what that's right.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
I mean, that won't wash n a dead set work
wash because everyone it comes their jobs are on the line.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
You know, let's be brutal about this.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Their jobs are on the line, and they're going to
try and help as much as they can within reason.
I believe, to assist the government getting re elected. And
if it was a corp in government, which I reckon,
according to the book, he said it will be after August.
Your odds haven't changed. By the way, there's still a
dollar fifty five to win. Keep an eye on I'm
keeping an eye on it. I'm sure the same woul
happened to the other major parties to the country.

Speaker 9 (34:55):
Is just not the truth.

Speaker 8 (34:56):
Test of that would be if a ministerial adviser or
a staff for there you just said, no, I'm not
going to stand on the market stare on the weekend.
I'm not going to go on door knock with you
to see whether they still had a job.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Exactly with the CLP, what's the what about you guys?
Have you got people that are working there that.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I can speak from my experience, Katie. I've got two
incredible ladies in my office at work with me. Neither
of them are members of the CLP, and they work
incredibly hard during the week I have not then had
them out on the weekend campaigning and doing those sorts
of things. So that's that's what I can comment on
because that's what I deal with day to day. I
can't comment on what other people do, Katie.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I find it.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
I find it, and I've made jokes about it on
Labor Party members pages. But that's super humor in it.
That's laughing now is laughing.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
Even when I was in the CLP, I door knock
by myself.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
You know, I had someone to drive the car because
you can dump out, so you had family or a
friend drive the car, and you did whatever you did.
And when I see the Labor Party, not so much
the CLP, I have to admit, not so much your
CLP people.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
They have like a whole buddy gagla geese with them.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
You know, there's one there's the sitting member, and then
they have like twenty other people in red shirts. Like
the person in the house is not seeing them. There
would be member or their local members. They're seeing some staver,
you know, and I just think it's I personally think
it's lazy. I get it, you cover more ground, I
get all that. I get to understand the logic, But
the individuals want to see the member, not some staff

(36:22):
are giving a brochure and chatting to them. But and
I know that they're off the fifth floor, some of them,
because I don't recognize all of them. And they're door
knocking on weekends and after hours all that, you know.
So I think people know out there and they elected,
they are exactly what goes on.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Well that's the thing, that is the thing convinces otherwise.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Hey, I want to go back to you know, Josh,
you'd raised just a moment ago about the further IKAK
report into politician travel that we are expecting.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
My understanding is that wasn't going to be made public,
but it is going to be a bit more difficult
to actually see the light of day, potentially at the moment,
because we know that the ik commissioner currently is on leave,
and that follows the IKAQ Inspector's report into the allegations
that the KAK commissioner paid his former partner twenty thousand
dollars to suppress a domestic violence allegation. Now that report

(37:09):
has been released, the Chief Minister released it earlier in
the week and had and the Inspector had advised that
the allegation that the Commissioner had inproperly offered twenty thousand
dollars to his former wife to suppress an allegation of
domestic violence made by Miss Jennifer Riches.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Not to be true.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
The Inspector was not able to make a conclusive determination
in relation to the truth of allegations pertaining to the
ikak's former wife's allegations of domestic violence. Mister Riches and
Miss Jennifer Riches, the ikak's former partner, were contacted by
and did make submissions to the Inspector in making these conclusions.
Now the Inspector has concluded that none of the allegations

(37:52):
made against the Commissioner could constitute corrupt conduct under Section
one twenty of the IKAK. The Inspector has also advised
the Chief Minister that these matters are having a damaging
and acute impact on the Commissioner. On Commissioner Rich's health
and as a result, he's not fit to carry out

(38:13):
his duties at this time. So the inspector has advised
the Commissioner will require a period of time to focus
on his health and recovery. Now, obviously I want to
be careful about what we say here, but you know,
the IKA Commissioner was pretty firm on this right from
the get go in saying that you know that he
had not done anything wrong.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
There's no winners in this situation, Katie. And that's that's
the sadness about it all. You know, having having domestic
situation played out in public is not good for anyone. No,
it's partly particularly the people. You know, the people involved.
And you know, I've met the man a few times,
you know, in my work capacity as no he probably has.
You know, he's been very forward in wanting to make

(38:54):
sure MLAs know what he's doing and all that sort
of stuff. He's offered briefings and all that sort of stuff,
and you know, written lots of things. But this is
a domestic situation that got into the public domain. And
I just say, there's no there's no winners out it
on either front.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
It truly isn't.

Speaker 9 (39:10):
Yeah, I find the whole situation pretty tawdry.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
Yeah, and and and said and I mean, if we're
looking at it and people are saying, oh, you know,
he has to go, he has to go, he has
to go. I'm not sure what it is that he
has done that that is leading as to that. He's
not accused of any criminality. And I'm only going on
what I've read and seen in public forums in the media,

(39:39):
but he's not accused of any criminality. His ex wife
says that there was no physical abuse that he has
been accused of. The police are not investigating him.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
And then I.

Speaker 8 (39:51):
Think, now what we have is sort of a messy
marriage breakdown, one side of which his play out in
the public domain. And he's in the unenvi unenviable situation
of having to basically sit there and say nothing because
you can't really have the IKAK commissioner come out.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
And that's exactly right, that's a situation.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
And this is the thing the Anti IICAQ was set up.
This is this is the top office in the Northern
Territory to ensure that there is integrity in government in
offices right across the Northern Territory. And unfortunately, since it's
come there has been scandal after scandal, the former ik
commissioner came out at a rally in Alla Springs and
made comments.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
That he later admitted it happened to him.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Well, for me, it's about integrity. This is so important,
this is so important. Your average Joe blow out there
sees this sort of stuff going and going a pox
on both your houses. So that's what frustrates me so
much in this is that we need to ensure that
no matter who's there. And mister Riches came in essentially
to reset, reset the IKAQ office, rebuild confidence, rebuild confidence.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
It has to a large degree.

Speaker 8 (40:58):
Well, and he's been criticized Katie over the length of
time it took him to produce some of these reports,
in particular the one about Michael Gunner and the travel
during the last election. But you have to understand the
guy basically spent the first two years in office cleaning
up the mess of his predecessor. And I think that
there was I don't think I think there were issues

(41:22):
when it came to appointing the first k commissioner. I
think they really struggled to find someone and you know,
and my understanding is that they then you know, there
was a form of Supreme Court judge says, I know
that this guy in Queensland who's at a loose end,
and we ended up with Ken Fleming, I think we
can all agree was a complete and total disaster. And
the issue Josh speaks about in Alice Springs was just

(41:42):
one issue under his watch as k Commissioner. But I
think in hindsight that should have been the first red
flag and that really and I had people who were
well connected in legal circles here who on that very
day were saying he has to go. He has shown
at this point that he is not the right person

(42:04):
for this position.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
As a representative in Ala Springs. It was just upsetting
because what you want to do is you want to
be bringing communities together, and that really inflamed a situation
that was pretty hot. And yeah, it was incredible at
the time. I just remembered.

Speaker 8 (42:16):
And then we had a report only a couple of
weeks ago that then he was sitting in meetings demanding
that the police charged Zachary Rolf, which would appear to
me to be a total overreach from his position. We
had issues internal issues with the staff in the office there.
We had hiring of people who in my opinion should
never have been hired in an office that is supposed

(42:38):
to be upholding the integrity of the Northern territory. We
had a series of reports that either had to be
thrown out or were challenged in court or settled, costing
god knows how much money we know.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
From previous estimates. There were large times of.

Speaker 8 (42:54):
Yeah, and it was just a total debarklay. And what
concerned me through that period is that no one seem
to want to do anything about it. No one seemed
to want to fix the mess that had been created.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
It was like, you know, look, we are going to
have the rabbita very quickly.

Speaker 6 (43:07):
I actually think ICCs around the country are not going well.
And even the case recently I think I don't know
the full details, but the robodebt deal there's about nine
hundred objections because the k found nothing to see here,
so they've had to launch.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Another inquiry in this is the federal This is exactly.

Speaker 6 (43:23):
So you know, I think as a as a jurisdiction,
we need to have a good hard look whether this
kind of agency is really what we need into the
future up other agencies.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
We are going to have to take a very short break.
You are listening to mix Swallow four nine's three sixty.
It is the week that was very keen to get
everybody's take on the proposed Cyclone Tracy monument. Now, it's
a kinetic sculpture. Let's going to move with the wind.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
It's built with materials that can withstand all weather.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Kendishes with a little help of a bull bar.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
There has easier.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I'm not it's body seven hundred thousand dollars worth.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
The artist has got one hundred thousand doesn't mean the
sculptures worth that.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
It's going to cost seven hundred thousand dollars, with the
federal government contributing three hundred thousand. It's set to be
installed at Bundilla Beach, which was deemed the most appropriate
location as the path of Cyclone Tracy crossed just north
of Fanny Bay at three point thirty a am on
Christmas date. Now, look, it would be funny if it
wasn't so serious in the sense that Cyclone Tracy means,

(44:23):
you know, like the history of Darwin and Cyclone Tracy
and the number of people that live here that live
through Cyclone Tracy is just phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
Katie, a long time ago statistician I can't think of you,
sir and Peter. He did an analysis the number of
people who are here in Darwn now, and this is
going back about five or ten years. He told me this,
the number of people who are here in darn Now
who were here for cyclone Tracy is as low as
five percent, if not lower.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Narri and I were both here. If Narrie was a baby, no, I.

Speaker 5 (44:56):
Was still four years in the making.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
That ah four years in the making here. I was here.
I was sixteen.

Speaker 6 (45:02):
So the number of people that were here is very
very low. And I still to this day, I mean
it's fifty years.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
I still to this day get asked were you here
for cyclone Tracy? For people around the country. So it
is still in people's eyes.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
And it was the single it was the single most
money raised for a disaster in our country and at
the time public around the country it was thirteen million.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Now, that was in nineteen seventy five. Thirteen million was
raised by the generous. It came up here.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
I don't know where it come in to, you know so,
but in the minds of many a few of my constituents,
the old families, they are still traumatized by it.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I can say right now. So I'm mid.

Speaker 6 (45:35):
Sixties, so people who probably fifties to seventies whatever. My
mum's still around and I remember the nuddles missus Douddle.
I think she's passed away from now. She said she
used to religiously watch the weather every night on the TV.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
It was the dry season. Also had to make sure
that no cyclone was coming.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It's important it's recognized and remembered appropriate.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
As some people think, not of some bloody wind structure.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Look, I get them pression that it is just part
of what is being planned.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
But that's true. But people are not happy about this.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Like honestly, we've had like there has been hundreds and
hundreds of people get in contact with us on this.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
People are actually quite furious.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
So I've seen, you know, Combat Scarlat's face photoshopped to
the kinetic balls or whatever they're called on the display. Like,
people are quite furious about it. They want something that is,
but it's much more fitting.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
It's yeah, whatever that is, but it's not from what
I've seen and read, it's not even that original because
all his sculptures are very similar. Yeah, maybe that's his thing.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
I get it. That's his thing. Yep.

Speaker 6 (46:38):
You know, they're just vary in the number of bulls
and the shade of the bulls, you know, but one
one in act I believe in there elsewhere and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Look subjective, we get that, right. Some people might love it,
some people might not. But I think it's it is well,
I know, but it's very different to what people have
been expecting.

Speaker 7 (46:56):
Right Yeah, Katie, I'm not a fan at all. And
when I looked at it to hear it with the
wilderment in my voice right now, I'm still confused. I
don't know how I'm supposed to tell my nieces and
nephews to explain what it is and how it's, you know,
signifies that historic event that my dad survived, and like
Easier said, like my dad was one of many. As
soon as there was a cyclone, watch not a warning.

(47:17):
It was packed up, tape up your windows and get
out of Darwin like and that that.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Trauma stayed with him.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
And so I was really looking forward to counsel announcing
this this beautiful healing space where families could go down
and maybe pluques with names of survivors somewhere that we
could be proud of. I couldn't even convince a bunch
of tourists to go down and see what I thought
was a mango filopian sche black.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
I just don't get it exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
It doesn't like that.

Speaker 9 (47:42):
Doesn't it. Your lack of culture come out.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I tell you what I reckon a bush bullbar would look.
I mean, not the sous.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
We shouldn't take doctor suits pressing.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Great stories about people coming together during that time to
support their fellow you know person, they're feel the human being.
Let's get something like that, the.

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Longest distance flying in the wardrobe and they got knocked
back by Guinness Book of Records because there was no witnesses.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, wow, true story.

Speaker 5 (48:18):
We are going to have to wrap up.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Thank you all so much for your company this morning.
Josh burgoing, thank you so much for joining us. Matt Cunningham,
Thanks mate, Kezier parents than you and NURRII are kids.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Thanks Katie,