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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now, as we heard on the show on Friday, a
group of cyclo and survivors await the tick of approval
to build a separate memorial on council land at East Point,
those designs for which have been quite well received the
Fraan Japanees as we've spoken about, but many aren't happy
with the Council's plans for Bundella Beach. The Member for
Fanny Bay and the Police Minister Brent Potter, he's weighed
(00:22):
in on this debate now circulating a change dot or
petition on Friday urging the Council to think twice about
their final pick for the public artwork. Now, the Lord
Mayor joins me in the studio. Good morning to you
convat stalas Con. Have you heard the concerns being raised.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Of course I have. I've read the.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Facebook page and everything else. But again, honest to you,
public Carjo was controversial. We've seen it before and we'll
see it again. The problem is this is not a
memorial for Siklan.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Tracy, but you guys said in a pressure release it was.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It was actually it was a stuff up because it
was mentioned as monument, which is not going.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To be a moment literally, the City of Darwin, in
collaboration with Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Advisory Committees, please to release
the design of a permanent monument to commemorate the fiftieth
anniversary of Cyclone Tracing.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's on your own website.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes it was, and it probably could be stated better.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What happened is the committee that was formed, the Cyclone
Treasure Committee was formed after we asked for expression of
interest and includes four Tracy survivors, decided there would be
a public art sculpture in Bandilla and a memorial in
each point.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So these pressure release literally says the Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Monument.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You are you're quoted in it.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You say, the Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Monument aims to recognize
the effects this devastating event had on our community.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, it's not going to be a monument.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's going to be a public art, a piece of
art which actually it shows the forces of nature.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And that was the original.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So what is this? Is it a monument for Cyclone Tracing?
So why why has it been referred to.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
With you properly not state it right?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, so we're getting seven So seven hundred thousand dollars
is going to a public artwork.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Absolutely, so public artwork for what public art.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The same way that the jellyfish in front of the
of the East Point.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So is our funding from the federal government in any
way linked to it supposed to be a monument for
cyclone tracing.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I'm telling you, and I have said before, this is
not the monument. The real memorial is going to be
in this point. Richard Craig, he has spoken and asked,
the committee has actually agreed to actually approve this doing how.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Much is the how much is the council contributing to
the monument at East Point?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, that's where it's actually three doors come from the
federal government and some money because of the Bandilla reform
and upgrade, and some money will go from the council
contributorwards this sculpture.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So to me, I think it sounds absurd now that
we're in a situation where we are building a public
art you know where we've got public art going up
at Bundela Beach and we're spending seven hundred thousand dollars
on that at Bundilla Beach, but we've got three hundred
thousand dollars for a Cyclone Tracy monument at East Point,
(03:27):
and they're having to go cap in hand to business
to ask for money. Like can you see how people
are thinking that the Council, the government, whoever, has got
their priorities wrong here.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, I'm sorry, Katie that it was a decision by
the committee and in the advice of.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
No, No, the committee or was it the council.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
No, it was the committee. The committee.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
They wanted kinetic structure and a memorial east Point. The
committee put this decision to Council and Council ratified that
decision and agree to it.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And so it's not in any way linked to Cyclo.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
The only link is actually it's going to move with
a wind.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Okay, now you're talking about the cost of a public
heard just the monument that the Richard and his committee
wants to do. It's cost about three four hundred thousand
dollars just the monument.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Now that does take.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Into consideration the cost to actually located in this point
and do all the work to establish it there because
it has to be done properly, or the landscape. So Council,
because it's our land, it will and we said before
we will help Richard and his team to actually find
put the memory in place and we make sure that actually.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Can you read how can you see though, how people
would be absolutely furious that you know that an event
that demolished Darwin, that people are going to be commemorating
this year for fifty years, that there is being less
money invested into the monument for that than what there
is into a public artwork at bundlea Bate.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, I'm sorry, Katie.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Actually, what the council is investing in a serious amount
of money and a seriously event that starts on the
sixteenth of July culminates on the twenty fourth of December.
This as events organized by Down Council. There also grants
are located to community organizations by Down Council.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So it's not only just another.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm that I'm not doubting that. I'm more happy to
talk about that at another point. But like the fact is,
because the fact is today people are absolutely furious about
this sculpture.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I'm sure you're saying your face, don't.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Tell you about other monuments and other public art in Darwin.
The Mermaid in the esplant costs five hundred thousand dollars.
If you think that, actually you can go and pick
up a public art in Bannings and put it four thousand.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Dollars thinking that you are.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But can you see how people are questioning the priorities
when we're putting up a kinetic sculpture. They're in a
press relage. You have said it is for cyclone Tracy.
Everybody said it is for cyclone Tracybody they.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Can say, they can say, and we said at nauseum
this is actually a public art sculpture.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Now like okay, so let me just go, let me
just go back to basics for a sec Yep. The
council is elected to listen to right payers. Yes, right
paths are saying to you right now that they don't
want a kinetic sculpture. They want a monument that fully
recognizes and represents the devastation and the and you know,
(06:23):
the the the re emerging of Darwin following on from
cyclone tracing.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That is what they want. That's where they want their
money spent with the old due respect.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
As a committee that includes four cycling trail survivors, that
committee suggested we put a kinetic monument. So some people says,
you have to listen to cyclones trade survivors we did.
But if this opinion doesn't agree with the other cycling
Treser survivors, you want us to knock it back. We
followed your process in this place. The committee suggested something,
(06:54):
it came to council that also includes three or four
cycling tree survivors, and that was.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Approved by you. You're saying that that's why the decision
was made that if your.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Process, it's not dissip made by me. I can't make
this decision. It was made by the committee forward to cancel.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Council agreed, and so you're itvy.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Public art now in Darwin's very good, and as we've
seen before, public art can be very very controversial.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Some people like it and some people not like it. Absolutely,
I've seen it before and I probably see it again.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Look, you know, like I said to you last week,
I still remember when the jellyfish were put in at
East Point and Pete Davies and I were furious, and
a huge amount of money have been spent on it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
They're actually quite beautiful. They look nice. I get that
artwork is very much subjective.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Art is subjective, but what I'm hearing really loudly and
clearly is that people want somewhere where they can go
and reflect and where they can remember.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's the point, and that is point. Despite what people say.
Now you know how much it will cost counsel.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
To actually help put that that monument more on two
hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So it's challenging the.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Council that's not putting money there they want to. Richard,
to his credit, he wants a memorial and he wanted
to put in the sea first. When he found out
difficulties because of environmental reasons.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And it actually sounds.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, he couldn't because there were too many problems. So
he decided to bring it.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Not only but it's going to be environmental issues. So
he decided to bring it to the land. Council will
consider next week about it and we will accept the
memorial there because with it from the very beginning, we
thought was a better idea to have it on land
than on sea.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And that's what's happened.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In the council prepared to reconsider in any why what
you're doing at Bandilla Beach to redirect some of those
funds maybe too.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I cannot redirect. I cannot regard that because they're not money.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's money came from the common Well, if they're going
to do something to happen, he has to return to commover.
But also the same time, you have to remember this
council approved it, and contracts be endured, so we have
to go get out of it. Of course, if you
sign a contract, you can't get out of it.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So it's it's all we're all.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Look, some people like it, other people don't like it.
Now you ask me do you like the monument, and
I say I'd love to see it because I don't
like the color. The color was atrocious. But again it's
only an artist impression. And as some people said, well
let's wait to see what happens and let's see what
how it will go.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Council followed your process.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
We cannot just say, oh we don't like your process,
change your process.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Look, people on the text sign are furious this morning.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
People.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I've read it and I can see that people don't
like it, So fine, I can accept that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
One. Look like the people are feeling like they've been disrespected.
They feel like they're not being respected as Cyclone Tracy survivors.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You know, sorry, we're putting a number of events for
this particular reason.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We actually plan to make this event a natural event.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And the reason we planned that we will planting because
we want to bring here the Chieft, the Prime Minister,
want to bring Minister of the Cabinet, the head of
the Defense Forces, a head of organizations like the Red
Cross and the.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Red Shield to be here. They're not going to come
on Christmas Eve, so we are going.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
To have to bring it well.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's obviously one of the other things that people are
rising with us is I are concerned some of those
Cyclone Trace survivors were planning to be here for the
actual anniversary.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And what happened during the deliberations of the committee was
agreed that the Cyclone tred Survivors will do all the
events after the nineteenth of December, and Council will do
all the events before the nineteenth of December. So the
clear delineation who is doing what. So I understand Richard's
group is going to do the big welcoming on the
twenty fourth. Council is starting put money and start having
(10:46):
events on the sixteenth of July all the way to
the nineteenth with the exception of an all faith services
that I spoke to the Bishop Charles to have in
the cathedral on the twenty third of December.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, So, com when you talk about the committee approving
and pushing for this monument, are you referring to the
committee that Richard's on, Yes, and said to me on Friday,
you know, he has no issue with the council redeveloping
Bundilla and that they're being a monument there. But it's
not reflective of Psyclones.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's not Chyclon traation. And Richard actually took his credit.
He said, look, it's a good idea that the kinetic
monument Bandilla might not be the best place, but we
thought that Bandilla was the best place for many reasons.
We're redeveloping Bandilla also is very close to the museum,
and people will if they've got the museum, they're most
likely to go there. Or I clearly delineate who's doing
(11:37):
what they're doing the memorial. We're doing the public card.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Look, I think I've made it pretty clear how upset
people are about that monument, so I won't continue on
with that. I know we are being slammed with messages
right now, people wanting to have this, but I want
to move along because there's a bit to cover off.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The media members have been targeted, myself been targeted now
and it's not just gentle in what complay or you
name it from being a label ex label.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Minister and a failure and arrogant.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And they call U great on social media, ungrateful migrant.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's not fair.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Not to mention that typical Greeks. Look when have to
cycle on Tracy, here.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Another one ever can Doin that.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Beginning, very emotional and I asked people take a depress,
come down. We said again, the memorial is going to
be in its point. This is a public art sculpture.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And so the council is contributing two hundred thousand to
the memorial.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The thing is against our land.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
If we're going to it might cost two hundred, might
cost a little bit less, might cost a bit more.
We're not going to argue about it. We want to
see a memorial for Tracy. Tracy's a significant event for Darwin.
And you know what the other thing is if Darwin
it's for today is because of Tracy. And not only that,
not on the Northern Australia is survive in cyclones because
of Traes.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, and I think that's why people are so passionate
about this corn. They are so passionate about it, and
and they're like.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I don't know how much clearer I can make it
that people want the council to reconsider.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, you want to reconsider you don't want the public monument.
Well there's other people, silent people that don't.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
They actually says no, I don't mind about that that one.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I like that one, but afraid to come out because
they've got to be torn to pieciously.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, look, I always say on this show, I'm more
than happy to hear people's opinions.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It does not bother me. When you like it, you
follow the very quick one.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Last time you and I spoke, which was a couple
of weeks ago, we actually had a call from Mark
in per Rap about concerns at the daycare.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I'm not sure if you recall, but.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Look I didn't come back to me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
When I get the information, I will send them back
to you pert certainly, and thank you. If anybody else
has any other issues, please raise them and we follow them.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Look.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Another one rough sleepers in Wilna and also at East Point,
literally trolleys full of stuff and rubbish, across the road
from the fire station there near Wilna.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Is that something that the councils.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Are managers and our arrangers now looking at the trolleys,
We've got the power to confiscate trolleys and then tell the.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Supermarkets you want a trolley back, here's the fine.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
On the point, because I have noticed there's a lot
more people rough sleeping along East Point at the moment.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Kate, how many times we said before the people that
come here is because you put restriction and alcohol supply
in some other places and they will come here. I
had information on people from Kapa u Yik and Himansburg
were in Darwin, right, which is really extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I have to say that there's not as much activity
in the city at the moment, probably because they can't
be in other places. But if I'm aware of that.
We go cleaning nearly every day and we're using low
security prisoners also to help us clean.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Up the place.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
How long does it sort of take in the morning.
It's for counsel to be able to clean some of
those different areas, like is it quiet? Time consuming and expensive?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Our outreach group is out in the streets by six
o'clock going around and talk to the rough slippers and
the people, and if they did find out there's a problem,
immediately communicate that to our center and we send the
clanic place up. Now, the problem is if there's a problem,
let's say in my luck and the next problem is
point and there's so many people it takes time to
go and clean up. But if you look at our city,
(15:27):
it is clean at the moment. Our green belts are
very very good, and we're very.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Pleased that we've we've got a beautiful green city.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Contact Scar's good to speak with you. This appreciate it.
Thank you.
Now, as we heard on the show on Friday, a
group of cyclo and survivors await the tick of approval
to build a separate memorial on council land at East Point,
those designs for which have been quite well received the
Fraan Japanees as we've spoken about, but many aren't happy
with the Council's plans for Bundella Beach. The Member for
Fanny Bay and the Police Minister Brent Potter, he's weighed
(00:22):
in on this debate now circulating a change dot or
petition on Friday urging the Council to think twice about
their final pick for the public artwork. Now, the Lord
Mayor joins me in the studio. Good morning to you
convat stalas Con. Have you heard the concerns being raised.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Of course I have. I've read the.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Facebook page and everything else. But again, honest to you,
public Carjo was controversial. We've seen it before and we'll
see it again. The problem is this is not a
memorial for Siklan.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Tracy, but you guys said in a pressure release it was.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It was actually it was a stuff up because it
was mentioned as monument, which is not going.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
To be a moment literally, the City of Darwin, in
collaboration with Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Advisory Committees, please to release
the design of a permanent monument to commemorate the fiftieth
anniversary of Cyclone Tracing.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
That's on your own website.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes it was, and it probably could be stated better.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
What happened is the committee that was formed, the Cyclone
Treasure Committee was formed after we asked for expression of
interest and includes four Tracy survivors, decided there would be
a public art sculpture in Bandilla and a memorial in
each point.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
So these pressure release literally says the Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Monument.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You are you're quoted in it.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
You say, the Cyclone Tracy Commemoration Monument aims to recognize
the effects this devastating event had on our community.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, it's not going to be a monument.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's going to be a public art, a piece of
art which actually it shows the forces of nature.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And that was the original.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So what is this? Is it a monument for Cyclone Tracing?
So why why has it been referred to.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
With you properly not state it right?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Okay, so we're getting seven So seven hundred thousand dollars
is going to a public artwork.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Absolutely, so public artwork for what public art.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The same way that the jellyfish in front of the
of the East Point.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So is our funding from the federal government in any
way linked to it supposed to be a monument for
cyclone tracing.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I'm telling you, and I have said before, this is
not the monument. The real memorial is going to be
in this point. Richard Craig, he has spoken and asked,
the committee has actually agreed to actually approve this doing how.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Much is the how much is the council contributing to
the monument at East Point?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, that's where it's actually three doors come from the
federal government and some money because of the Bandilla reform
and upgrade, and some money will go from the council
contributorwards this sculpture.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
So to me, I think it sounds absurd now that
we're in a situation where we are building a public
art you know where we've got public art going up
at Bundela Beach and we're spending seven hundred thousand dollars
on that at Bundilla Beach, but we've got three hundred
thousand dollars for a Cyclone Tracy monument at East Point,
(03:27):
and they're having to go cap in hand to business
to ask for money. Like can you see how people
are thinking that the Council, the government, whoever, has got
their priorities wrong here.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Well, I'm sorry, Katie that it was a decision by
the committee and in the advice of.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
No, No, the committee or was it the council.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
No, it was the committee. The committee.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
They wanted kinetic structure and a memorial east Point. The
committee put this decision to Council and Council ratified that
decision and agree to it.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And so it's not in any way linked to Cyclo.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
The only link is actually it's going to move with
a wind.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Okay, now you're talking about the cost of a public
heard just the monument that the Richard and his committee
wants to do. It's cost about three four hundred thousand
dollars just the monument.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Now that does take.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Into consideration the cost to actually located in this point
and do all the work to establish it there because
it has to be done properly, or the landscape. So Council,
because it's our land, it will and we said before
we will help Richard and his team to actually find
put the memory in place and we make sure that actually.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Can you read how can you see though, how people
would be absolutely furious that you know that an event
that demolished Darwin, that people are going to be commemorating
this year for fifty years, that there is being less
money invested into the monument for that than what there
is into a public artwork at bundlea Bate.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well, I'm sorry, Katie.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Actually, what the council is investing in a serious amount
of money and a seriously event that starts on the
sixteenth of July culminates on the twenty fourth of December.
This as events organized by Down Council. There also grants
are located to community organizations by Down Council.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
So it's not only just another.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I'm that I'm not doubting that. I'm more happy to
talk about that at another point. But like the fact is,
because the fact is today people are absolutely furious about
this sculpture.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
I'm sure you're saying your face, don't.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Tell you about other monuments and other public art in Darwin.
The Mermaid in the esplant costs five hundred thousand dollars.
If you think that, actually you can go and pick
up a public art in Bannings and put it four thousand.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Dollars thinking that you are.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But can you see how people are questioning the priorities
when we're putting up a kinetic sculpture. They're in a
press relage. You have said it is for cyclone Tracy.
Everybody said it is for cyclone Tracybody they.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Can say, they can say, and we said at nauseum
this is actually a public art sculpture.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Now like okay, so let me just go, let me
just go back to basics for a sec Yep. The
council is elected to listen to right payers. Yes, right
paths are saying to you right now that they don't
want a kinetic sculpture. They want a monument that fully
recognizes and represents the devastation and the and you know,
(06:23):
the the the re emerging of Darwin following on from
cyclone tracing.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That is what they want. That's where they want their
money spent with the old due respect.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
As a committee that includes four cycling trail survivors, that
committee suggested we put a kinetic monument. So some people says,
you have to listen to cyclones trade survivors we did.
But if this opinion doesn't agree with the other cycling
Treser survivors, you want us to knock it back. We
followed your process in this place. The committee suggested something,
(06:54):
it came to council that also includes three or four
cycling tree survivors, and that was.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Approved by you. You're saying that that's why the decision
was made that if your.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Process, it's not dissip made by me. I can't make
this decision. It was made by the committee forward to cancel.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Council agreed, and so you're itvy.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Public art now in Darwin's very good, and as we've
seen before, public art can be very very controversial.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Some people like it and some people not like it. Absolutely,
I've seen it before and I probably see it again.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Look, you know, like I said to you last week,
I still remember when the jellyfish were put in at
East Point and Pete Davies and I were furious, and
a huge amount of money have been spent on it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
They're actually quite beautiful. They look nice. I get that
artwork is very much subjective.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Art is subjective, but what I'm hearing really loudly and
clearly is that people want somewhere where they can go
and reflect and where they can remember.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It's the point, and that is point. Despite what people say.
Now you know how much it will cost counsel.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
To actually help put that that monument more on two
hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So it's challenging the.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Council that's not putting money there they want to. Richard,
to his credit, he wants a memorial and he wanted
to put in the sea first. When he found out
difficulties because of environmental reasons.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And it actually sounds.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, he couldn't because there were too many problems. So
he decided to bring it.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Not only but it's going to be environmental issues. So
he decided to bring it to the land. Council will
consider next week about it and we will accept the
memorial there because with it from the very beginning, we
thought was a better idea to have it on land
than on sea.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And that's what's happened.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
In the council prepared to reconsider in any why what
you're doing at Bandilla Beach to redirect some of those
funds maybe too.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I cannot redirect. I cannot regard that because they're not money.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's money came from the common Well, if they're going
to do something to happen, he has to return to commover.
But also the same time, you have to remember this
council approved it, and contracts be endured, so we have
to go get out of it. Of course, if you
sign a contract, you can't get out of it.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So it's it's all we're all.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Look, some people like it, other people don't like it.
Now you ask me do you like the monument, and
I say I'd love to see it because I don't
like the color. The color was atrocious. But again it's
only an artist impression. And as some people said, well
let's wait to see what happens and let's see what
how it will go.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Council followed your process.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
We cannot just say, oh we don't like your process,
change your process.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Look, people on the text sign are furious this morning.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
People.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I've read it and I can see that people don't
like it, So fine, I can accept that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
One. Look like the people are feeling like they've been disrespected.
They feel like they're not being respected as Cyclone Tracy survivors.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You know, sorry, we're putting a number of events for
this particular reason.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
We actually plan to make this event a natural event.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And the reason we planned that we will planting because
we want to bring here the Chieft, the Prime Minister,
want to bring Minister of the Cabinet, the head of
the Defense Forces, a head of organizations like the Red
Cross and the.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Red Shield to be here. They're not going to come
on Christmas Eve, so we are going.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
To have to bring it well.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's obviously one of the other things that people are
rising with us is I are concerned some of those
Cyclone Trace survivors were planning to be here for the
actual anniversary.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And what happened during the deliberations of the committee was
agreed that the Cyclone tred Survivors will do all the
events after the nineteenth of December, and Council will do
all the events before the nineteenth of December. So the
clear delineation who is doing what. So I understand Richard's
group is going to do the big welcoming on the
twenty fourth. Council is starting put money and start having
(10:46):
events on the sixteenth of July all the way to
the nineteenth with the exception of an all faith services
that I spoke to the Bishop Charles to have in
the cathedral on the twenty third of December.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, So, com when you talk about the committee approving
and pushing for this monument, are you referring to the
committee that Richard's on, Yes, and said to me on Friday,
you know, he has no issue with the council redeveloping
Bundilla and that they're being a monument there. But it's
not reflective of Psyclones.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
It's not Chyclon traation. And Richard actually took his credit.
He said, look, it's a good idea that the kinetic
monument Bandilla might not be the best place, but we
thought that Bandilla was the best place for many reasons.
We're redeveloping Bandilla also is very close to the museum,
and people will if they've got the museum, they're most
likely to go there. Or I clearly delineate who's doing
(11:37):
what they're doing the memorial. We're doing the public card.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Look, I think I've made it pretty clear how upset
people are about that monument, so I won't continue on
with that. I know we are being slammed with messages
right now, people wanting to have this, but I want
to move along because there's a bit to cover off.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The media members have been targeted, myself been targeted now
and it's not just gentle in what complay or you
name it from being a label ex label.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Minister and a failure and arrogant.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
And they call U great on social media, ungrateful migrant.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
That's not fair.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Not to mention that typical Greeks. Look when have to
cycle on Tracy, here.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Another one ever can Doin that.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Beginning, very emotional and I asked people take a depress,
come down. We said again, the memorial is going to
be in its point. This is a public art sculpture.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And so the council is contributing two hundred thousand to
the memorial.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
The thing is against our land.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
If we're going to it might cost two hundred, might
cost a little bit less, might cost a bit more.
We're not going to argue about it. We want to
see a memorial for Tracy. Tracy's a significant event for Darwin.
And you know what the other thing is if Darwin
it's for today is because of Tracy. And not only that,
not on the Northern Australia is survive in cyclones because
of Traes.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, and I think that's why people are so passionate
about this corn. They are so passionate about it, and
and they're like.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
You know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I don't know how much clearer I can make it
that people want the council to reconsider.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, you want to reconsider you don't want the public monument.
Well there's other people, silent people that don't.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
They actually says no, I don't mind about that that one.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I like that one, but afraid to come out because
they've got to be torn to pieciously.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, look, I always say on this show, I'm more
than happy to hear people's opinions.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It does not bother me. When you like it, you
follow the very quick one.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Last time you and I spoke, which was a couple
of weeks ago, we actually had a call from Mark
in per Rap about concerns at the daycare.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
I'm not sure if you recall, but.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Look I didn't come back to me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
When I get the information, I will send them back
to you pert certainly, and thank you. If anybody else
has any other issues, please raise them and we follow them.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Look.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Another one rough sleepers in Wilna and also at East Point,
literally trolleys full of stuff and rubbish, across the road
from the fire station there near Wilna.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Is that something that the councils.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Are managers and our arrangers now looking at the trolleys,
We've got the power to confiscate trolleys and then tell the.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Supermarkets you want a trolley back, here's the fine.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
On the point, because I have noticed there's a lot
more people rough sleeping along East Point at the moment.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Kate, how many times we said before the people that
come here is because you put restriction and alcohol supply
in some other places and they will come here. I
had information on people from Kapa u Yik and Himansburg
were in Darwin, right, which is really extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
But that's what happens.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
I have to say that there's not as much activity
in the city at the moment, probably because they can't
be in other places. But if I'm aware of that.
We go cleaning nearly every day and we're using low
security prisoners also to help us clean.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Up the place.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
How long does it sort of take in the morning.
It's for counsel to be able to clean some of
those different areas, like is it quiet? Time consuming and expensive?
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Our outreach group is out in the streets by six
o'clock going around and talk to the rough slippers and
the people, and if they did find out there's a problem,
immediately communicate that to our center and we send the
clanic place up. Now, the problem is if there's a problem,
let's say in my luck and the next problem is
point and there's so many people it takes time to
go and clean up. But if you look at our city,
(15:27):
it is clean at the moment. Our green belts are
very very good, and we're very.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Pleased that we've we've got a beautiful green city.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Contact Scar's good to speak with you. This appreciate it.
Thank you.
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